Re: Help requested and provided
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Some background. I am T2 although I control it pretty well. My 1ac is
> 5.1%, BMI 22 and low body fat. I excercise a lot and watch my diet. I
> do eat carbs but only low GI and I try to get 30% of my diet from
> protein, 40% from carbs and 30% from fat.
>
> The only time of day I have trouble is in the morning.
>
> My FBG was 6.8 and I started using Apple Cider Vinegar Tablets at
> night and it made a big difference. It' now about 5.5-5.8. This is
> pretty good, and others may wish to try. It's been a week now of
> consistent results. I will post on the progess. This will be my
> contribution for now, I hope it helps others. I do one glass of dry
> red whine, 2 tablets and a piece of cheese before bed.
>
> Now for the help requested
>
> I seem to be very insulin resistant in the morning (all the way up to
> noon) and almost normal late afternoon/night.
>
> For example, if I do a 75mg glucose load at 10:30 AM, after 2 hours,
> I'll be 13 or 14. If I do the same thing at 4PM, I'll be at 8
>
> At 11AM, my level was 5.5. I ate a granola bar and one hour later it
> was at 10.
> Same, granola bar, I ate at 5PM, with a level of 5. I went to 6 in an
> hour.
>
>
> I suspect the vinegar tablets are helping my morning liver dumps. But
> I think I am still very insulin resistant in the morning. If I can
> figure this out, I think I can control this thing even more. Right
> now, I avoid all carbs in the morning and do my excercise then to get
> my levels down. If I'm at 6.8 I go for a run and it drops to 6.1
>
> I would prefer to eat my correct ratios of carbs/proteins all day.
>
> Could it be cortisol levels, GH ...any ideas ?
More likely your insulin resistance is happening because of your
having visceral adipose tissue (VAT) especially if you have been
overeating.
It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:
Hunger is wonderful:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
Nicodemus
Hallelujah
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> re:> euglycemic.
>
> Hallelujah
Hunger is wonderful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHungry
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> ItoTito <ito...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ItoTito <itot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I would prefer to eat my correct ratios of carbs/proteins all day.
> >>
> >>
> >> My correct ratios are the ones that lead to acceptable BG's.
> >> Not the ones some dietician was mistakenly taught and then
> >> tried to mistakenly teach me.
> >>
> >> That ratio can be different at different times of day and in
> >> different meals.
>
> > I want to thank everyone that responded. I had no idea that others had
> > the same issue.
>
> > That is what I have been doing. I love eggs so eat those alot. I use 1
> > egg, some egg white and a bit of cheese. That way the cholesterol
> > isn't too bad.
>
> > At lunch I do more the salad thing and then more carbs at night.
>
> > The other thing I do is run in the morning, which allows me to take on
> > a bit more carbs. By doing so, I can have very high fiber cereal for
> > breakfast some time.
>
> > Does anyone understand why the time of day makes a difference ? Is it
> > cortisol levels ? One day had them tested and sure enough they were
> > very high and followed the periods I struggle the most. Has anyone
> > tried cortisol blocking supplements ?
>
> Your body has natural rhythms. Why not follow them instead of trying
> to iron them out with medication? Go with the flow, man! :-)
It would still be smarter to pursue a cure for the insulin resistance
by eating less, down to the right amount:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrer... be euglycemic:
ItoTito
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:9a97f212-b689-415d...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> It would still be smarter to pursue a cure for the insulin resistance
> by eating less, down to the right amount:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrer... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
> Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
First of all I read some of the stuff you posted and tend to believe in
getting rid of the VAT.
Where I struggle a little more is the way to get there. I excercise a lot
and am getting leaner and leaner. I am less than 15% body fat, and want to
make my way down to 10. 10% BF for a male is quite low I am trying to find
the right diet/excercise program to keep the muscle and burn the fat.
I may not agree with your way to get there in terms of mmasuring weight of
what we intake. I want to make sure I am getting the right ratios of carbs,
proteins, fats, fiber, vitamins, Omega 3....all of course remembering I am
not 'normal', I am diabetic
Is it safe to say that if I continue to lose weight and improve my % body
fat, the VAT will go ? Is it likely to be a 10% BF and still have excess VAT
?
Can other people comment on your approach and if it has worked for them ?
J666
> Can other people comment on your approach and if it has worked for them ?
Google has a scholar search engine where you can search through
medical journals and other journals and do a search.
Cary Kittrell
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > It would still be smarter to pursue a cure for the insulin resistance
> > by eating less, down to the right amount:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> getting rid of the VAT.
>
> Where I struggle a little more is the way to get there. I excercise a lot
> and am getting leaner and leaner. I am less than 15% body fat, and want to
> make my way down to 10. 10% BF for a male is quite low I am trying to find
> the right diet/excercise program to keep the muscle and burn the fat.
That would be the exercise your stomach does when it sings and laughs
out loud.
> I may not agree with your way to get there in terms of mmasuring weight of
> what we intake. I want to make sure I am getting the right ratios of carbs,
> proteins, fats, fiber, vitamins, Omega 3....all of course remembering I am
> not 'normal', I am diabetic
Your GI tract is designed to function optimally to address all
nutritional needs when it is allowed to receive and process an optimal
amount of food.
> Is it safe to say that if I continue to lose weight and improve my % body
> fat, the VAT will go ?
No.
> Is it likely to be a 10% BF and still have excess VAT ?
Even one ounce of VAT is excessive and pathological.
VAT persists while there is overeating.
> Can other people comment on your approach and if it has worked for them ?
Yes, and they have. Visit the unsolicited testimonials via links
here:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "ItoTito" <ito...@yahoo.com>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > by eating less, down to the right amount:
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> > getting rid of the VAT.
> >
> > Where I struggle a little more is the way to get there. I excercise a lot
> > and am getting leaner and leaner. I am less than 15% body fat, and want to
> > make my way down to 10. 10% BF for a male is quite low I am trying to find
> > the right diet/excercise program to keep the muscle and burn the fat.
> >
> > I may not agree with your way to get there in terms of mmasuring weight of
> > what we intake. I want to make sure I am getting the right ratios of carbs,
> > proteins, fats, fiber, vitamins, Omega 3....all of course remembering I am
> > not 'normal', I am diabetic
> >
> > Is it safe to say that if I continue to lose weight and improve my % body
> > fat, the VAT will go ? Is it likely to be a 10% BF and still have excess VAT
> > ?
>
> > Can other people comment on your approach and if it has worked for them ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2c9ecdc8dd39c0b?
> <...crickets...>
Sad to note that you remain afflicted with tinnitus.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your perishing
soul:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary
J Clement
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> ItoTito wrote:
> > Can other people comment on your approach and if it has worked for them ?
>
> Yes, and they have. Visit the unsolicited testimonials via links
> here:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER
>
Once again Dr. Chung present part of the truth.
Here are other parts of 5 of the positive "Unsolicited Testimonials"
from Dr. Chung's site.
All of them are from group posts - none sent to Dr. Chung - so most of
these folks may have no idea they are "testifying" about the 2PD
whatever. Dr. Chung has pulled quotes out of context to give the
appearance of widespread support.
"The simplest diet isn't really a diet at all - just a lifestyle
change opting to move more, eat less. The rest will balance itself out
in reasonably short order."
Geoff Sample August 7, 2002 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hitdigest/message/12572
"Dr. Chung did make one strategic mistake in basing his two pounds on
the food weight rations of mountain climbers. The two pounds there is
concentrated and dehydrated. When properly hydrated before
consumption it ends up to be more like 5 or 6 pounds. When I spent two
weeks of 25 mile per day rocky mountain hiking I dropped from 185 to
175 on such a diet, but could probably gain on that same diet at
today's activity level."
Jerome R. Long May 29, 2002 http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6cceb5e573041021
"I cannot imagine eating the 2 pound diet--at least not for any
length of time. If I continued to eat my present well balanced diet
and reduced the amount of food to 2 pounds I would be eating 800
calories
a day. I would guess that anyone could lose weight on 800 calories a
day. For me to do this, I would need to be in a hospital with an
armed guard at the door. "
Dolores Santos May 7, 2002 http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/42aa7f9bc58fb783
"What a**holes Dr. Chung and Michael Loser are--they don't take into
consideration the emotional issues that overweight people need to deal
with. They don't believe that people's bodies are cabable of telling
them how to eat?? Notice I said ___bodies_____, not minds. Go out
and buy yourself a two pound scale because you body must be broken.
It has no way of telling you if it is hungry or full!!!! How, then,
do they explain how babies and children know when to stop? What a
joke!!!!! Things aren't always so black and white as those morons
want to believe"
Sharon "Happycat" July 26, 2002
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/5e3cb607fe996d88
"Andrew has stated that the 2PD figure is arbitrary and can be fine
tuned by people of different build as needs but finding a suitable
volume of food remains the mission."
Carol Frilegh August 5, 2003 http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81148d89b5f17da
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> >First of all I read some of the stuff you posted and tend to believe in
> >getting rid of the VAT.
>
Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
You really do not have much longer, dear Alan:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
May you wisely choose to repent soon by publicly declaring with your
mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
J666
> > First of all, you are corresponding with a fruitcake.
>
> Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
> convict you:
Not name calling, but calling "a fruitcake a fruitcake"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
Mike Mordant
What's worse, calling an obviously delusional person a fruitcake or
calling one's rational critics Satan?
Mike Mordant
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
; )
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cary Kittrell
Well, you beat me to it; I was halfway into posting essentially what
you just did.
Only three of the "testimonials" reported having actually
Tried the "approach", the other seventeen were merely
commentary -- a number of them, as you point out, quite derisive.
The three who tried it in fact reported losing weight -- and I've said
here more than once that this would be expected -- but you
will lose weight on any one of dozens diets; I myself lost
35 pounds in 9 weeks simply by keeping caloric intake
under 1200 a day. There's nothing out of the ordinary here.
More to the point, not one of the 15 percent of testifiers who
actually report trying the thing mention being cured of diabetes.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Foolishsatan
Compulsive Andrew.
Cary Kittrell
Compulsive Andrew.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor Alan S wrote:> >>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> >> First of all I read some of the stuff you posted and tend to believe in
> >> getting rid of the VAT.
> >
Name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict dear neighbor Alan:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > Don't just go on my advice, do a little searching of his
> > past posts.
> >
> > Then ignore him.
>
> Thanks. Fruitcake's GI is way to high for me. Will avoid :-)
Alan leading you around would be a classic example of a blind diabetic
leading another diabetic to blindness. This saddens me.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: