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From: Carol Frilegh <c...@sympatico.ca>

Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:03:28 -0400

Local: Tues, Aug 5 2003 10:03 pm

Subject: Re: Carol Frilegh ON The TPD!!!!!

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In article <eIYXa.51184$Vt6.18...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Hoff

<hoffmant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:a7cd9c35.0308051406.49d705a4@posting.google.com...
> > "Hoff" <hoffmant...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> <news:GoPXa.49835$It4.29100@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>...
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > > news:a7cd9c35.0308042056.177c8787@posting.google.com...

> > > > Do you care to be back on-topic discussing the 2PD or is this all
> > > > about Mu for you?

> > > What would you like to discuss?

> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

> > is the topic of this thread.

> OK.

> I think your diet is a gimmick, at best. Maybe no worse than others,
> definitely worse than some.

> Obviously, given the conditions you describe, someone would lose weight. If
> is currently eating 6-8 pounds a day, they will lose weight eating 2 pounds
> a day of the same food. Duh.

> But, as you yourself state, it does nothing to address the composition of
> what one should eat.

> And, as even Carol has stated, she began to actually *gain* weight on the
> diet. I don't believe she is eating 2 pounds of Criso, either. So not only
> must you weigh your food, you also must address the caloric content of the
> food. Like any other diet.

> You seem to imply the diet should be used for ongoing maintenance, as well.
> Yet do not address in any way individual requirements. To imply the same 2
> pound diet will serve a 70 year-old 110 lbs woman, and a 6'2" 200 pound man
> in his 20's, is patently absurd. Telling people to apply an ounce of common
> sense is NOT guidance. Had they applied an ounce of common sense, they
> wouldn't be obese in the first place.

> Look. any number of diets will create weight loss. In many ways, losing
> weight is the easy part. Look at the vast number of posts on the diet
> boards from people who have lost weight, only to regain. The hard part is
> following a way of eating that allows you to both lose weight, AND maintain
> that loss. Your diet does not address maintenance directly, and the
> implications you DO make for maintenance are absurd.

> Hoff

Hoff, isn't the Atkins Diet potentially a loose premise, then?
I was on low carb at the doctor's request during one of those
naturopathic Candida Cleanse things two years ago. I posted at asd-lc
and read many posts from people who ate upwards of 2500 calories a lot
of sat fat and did no spectacular workouts. Interpreted broadly I think
low carb could also made out to be a hoax if not followed judiciously.

My temporary gain on 2PD came not only from selecting calorie dense
foods but from not weighing them.

I believe it is called cheating.

When I followed the diet according to my original stated plan, it was a
honey. I digressed for about four days and now got back on track. I
also didn't do my usual walking as we had a lot of rain. (In addition,
also lift, stair climb and do Pilates)

I have now reached the point where I can guess food weight almost
perfectly before weighing and have values down pat for most foods.

I agree that many diets will result in weight loss. The point and
advantage of this one is the simplicity in tracking intake. I'd be an
idiot to pretend calories don't matter. it would be like denying
gravity exists. I would also be an idiot to say this is the one and
only Holy Grail of bariatrics. It just happens to be the one I prefer
at this time and I am addictive but not habitually fickle.

I think if Andrew redefined his FAQs very slightly he'd allay a lot of
the suspicion and mistrust while adhering to his basic principle.

Following the 2PD is like getting to Carnegie Hall. You have to
practice and you have to know your scales (basic nutrition).

Andrew has stated that the 2PD figure is arbitrary and can be fine
tuned by people of different build as needs but finding a suitable
volume of food remains the mission.

I challenge the nay sayers to give it a week or two without attempting
to abuse it and then make a judgement. I do not ask this to convert
them, but to encourage them to make a fair hands on assessment before
criticizing.

I think, in fairness you have to separate your issues with Dr.Chung,
his credentials and medical practice history from the diet. After all,
Suzanne Sommers and Susan Powter had success. Examine their resumes.
(one an admitted hooker) and the other an actress who borrowed from
Montignac on a visit to France . Montignac came up with his method with
being a chef as his credentials. ( there are some good chefs!)

All the name calling that's gone on here since God was a boy has proved
less than my actually going on the 2PD. And I have been honest about
its merits and the weaknesses (which are in the hands of the dieter not
in the diet.)

--
Diva
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Carol Frilegh ON The TPD

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