Rotten fruit from Dave and Randy.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "David <_giantw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > GentleOwlSpirit wrote :
> >
> >>Jude, you stated in a post yesterday or the day before that you are
> >>growing
> >>weary trying to get the truth to certain individuals in this NG. I
> >>understand your dilemma and I agree. Yet we still need the TRUTH to be
> >>told.
> >>
> >>BUT, please don't leave because, in the midst of all the anger and NAME
> >>CALLING, we need your sense of humor. You and Mark T occasionally give us
> >>a
> >>"light moment" which, speaking for myself is greatly appreciated And your
> >>statements above were more than a light moment, it was a LOL moment!
> >
> > I don't consider two people who hate God as people
> > whom I should want to see posts from.
> >
> > And the fact is, they are both hateful individuals and
> > the fact that you find your solace in people like that,
> > says a lot about you. (:
> >
> >>What I've seen displayed in this NG, by some posters, I'm certain is NOT
> >>pleasing to GOD. Our excuses for our contemptible, despicable
> >>behavior and our vile words will not be acceptable to our LORD.
> >
> > And yet, both Jude and Mark can make vulgar jokes
> > about Jesus, curse at people, etc. and YOU have
> > NO problem with that!
>
> Dave, NO ONE in this NG call others vile names as much as you do. I have
> been reading your posts for the past two weeks. I've written down on paper
> the names and number of times you have called others names...It's
> reprehensible...you are reprehensible!
Name-calling simply shows that a person is lost:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
Both neighbor Dave Waffle and neighbor Randy Pulpitfire remain in my
prayers, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
> You are, in my opinion, anything but a christian! If you are a christian,
> then you ARE NOT, what I want to be!
There are many like Dave and Randy who say they are Christian, calling
out LORD, LORD ! However, if they continue in their unrepentent ways
without GOD's love in their hearts, they will stand before HIM
expecting their name to be in the Lamb's Book of Life but only hearing
to their utter dismay:
"Depart from ME you evildoer ! " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> I will not answer ANY of your post from this day forward.
>
> I simply will NOT let you bring me down to the pits of hell where you
> are...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
>
> May God have mercy on your poor soul.
>
> Peace, Sioux
>
> Now Faith is the substance of things hoped
> for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
Sioux whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
GentleOwlSpirit
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
> GentleOwlSpirit wrote:
And May God continue to bless you brother Andrew.
ken_w...@yahoo.com
Since Jesus called people names like "evildoer" it means he was "lost"
too. That's what you're saying.
KW
Kurt Gavin
October 26, 2006 - 6:59AM
Women who do not cover up are similar to abandoned "meat" making them
responsible for sexual attacks, a senior Islamic cleric has said.
Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali has outraged female Muslim leaders with comments he
made during a Ramadan sermon to 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, News
Limited newspapers report.
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in
the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats
come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" the
sheik asked.
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (islamic headdress), no
problem would have occurred."
He also alluded to the Sydney rapes in 2000 where four women were separately
gang-raped by a group of young Muslim men, including Bilal Skaf, who
originally received a 55-year sentence, later reduced.
He said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and
inappropriate clothes, "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and
gives you 65 years," News Limited reports.
The Sheik went on to say women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men
and when it comes to adultery the responsibility falls on the woman 90 per
cent of the time.
He defended the sermon about adultery and theft when contacted by News
Limited, which obtained and translated a recording of the 17-minute talk.
But he did clarify his reference to the Sydney gang rapes and said Skaf was
guilty and deserved such a sentence.
Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali does not wear a hijab and said it is
not worn to prevent rape or harassment and it is up to "males to learn how
to control themselves".
Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, echoed
the young adviser's statements, saying she was "disgusted and offended" by
the Shiek's statements.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
> Cleric blames women's attire for attacks
> "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in
> the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the
> cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered
> meat?" the sheik asked.
> "The uncovered meat is the problem."
In other words, the morontheist führer admits "We (we males) can't use our
brains for what they were intended to by our own gawd, but can only think
with our pricks"
After all, in the above example the cat can't be blamed for the sole reason
that it's operating on instinct and not on ratio...
I guess we can at least count that as an honest confession *eg*
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
GentleOwlSpirit
<ken_w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161827135....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> GentleOwlSpirit wrote:
Hi Ken,
"Evildoer" does fit the name of some of those Jesus was speaking to. Jesus
knew their hearts and intensions, thereby giving Him better insight into
their characters and souls.
Geoff
news:rSU%g.15560$Y24....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali does not wear a hijab and said it is
> not worn to prevent rape or harassment and it is up to "males to learn how
> to control themselves".
>
> Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, echoed
> the young adviser's statements, saying she was "disgusted and offended" by
> the Shiek's statements.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Religion is a curse. Why would anyone want to
stay in any religion where they are second-class citizens is beyond me.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Ken Wood wrote:
Link restored:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?
> >
> > Since Jesus called people names like "evildoer" it means he was "lost"
> > too.
No, Ken.
When LORD Jesus Christ calls someone evildoer, this is HIS judgement
rather than "the use of offensive names especially to win an argument
or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project)
without objective consideration of the facts."
Source:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
> > That's what you're saying.
No, Ken.
See above and below.
> > KW
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> "Evildoer" does fit the name of some of those Jesus was speaking to.
When Jesus calls someone an evildoer, the name will fit that someone.
> Jesus
> knew their hearts and intensions, thereby giving Him better insight into
> their characters and souls.
Yes, sister.
> Peace, Sioux
>
> Now Faith is the substance of things hoped
> for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
Mu
wrote:
>Cleric blames women's attire for attacks
>October 26, 2006 - 6:59AM
>
>Women who do not cover up are similar to abandoned "meat" making them
>responsible for sexual attacks, a senior Islamic cleric has said.
>"The uncovered meat is the problem."
There you go. Here is a perfectly good reason to wear undies and keep
your fly zipped.
Mu
>Wake up and smell the coffee. Religion is a curse. Why would anyone want to
>stay in any religion where they are second-class citizens is beyond me.
Fully agree. Most religions bastardize faith for their own purposes.
Faith never made anyone a second class citizen.
Mu
wrote:
>
>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>
>Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
Sir, you need a cardiologist to tell you to take a poop?
Rob Brown
"Mu" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
news:e293k2tkd6l7nqegt...@4ax.com...
See the statement below and your response, from another thread. Can you
reconcile your two statements?
Rob Brown
>Sam Harris cranks out blunt, hard-hitting chapters to make his case for why
>faith itself is the most dangerous element of modern life
"I agree. It most certainly is. The power of faith is dangerous and it
threatens the existence of damn near everything that modern society
stands for."
Rob Brown
Nonsense. That depends entirely on what you have faith in. Faith in gods
and faith that their self appointed human proxies are the magic guy's
appointed spokesmen, judge , jury and executioner has done exactly that and
much worse.
Rob Brown
Kurt Gavin
Chung, you're way to obvious.
D J.@hoyme.com Mark D J.
news:3omdnSZLfbT-_93Y...@comcast.com...
People can easily be made to love their oppression, to derive 'meaning' from
it, and regard it as the lesser of several terrifying 'evils'. Even Winston
Smith loved big Brother, by the end...
M.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Add paranoid delusions (seeing me in all who respond to you) to your
sulking and perserverating:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bb459cab6410e303?
This victory belongs to GOD. Laus Deo !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS boundless mercy and grace keep you heart beating to give
to time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love
Al Klein
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Mu" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
>> news:nqb3k25l5edmars93...@4ax.com...
>> > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:16:48 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
>> >
>> > Sir, you need a cardiologist to tell you to take a poop?
>>
>> Chung, you're way to obvious.
>
>Add paranoid delusions
Cardiology, Andrew, not psychiatry. Stick to what you, at least for
now, can claim to be trained for.
>Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender:
First prize - eternity in heaven with Andrew's friends.
Second prize - two eternities in heaven with Andrew's friends.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> "Mu" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:nqb3k25l5edmars93...@4ax.com...
> >> > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:16:48 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
> >> >
> >> > Sir, you need a cardiologist to tell you to take a poop?
> >>
> >> Chung, you're way to obvious.
> >
> > sulking and perserverating:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bb459cab6410e303?
>
Internal medicine includes psychiatry.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Al whom I
Mu
wrote:
>
>"Mu" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
>news:nqb3k25l5edmars93...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:16:48 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
>>
>> Sir, you need a cardiologist to tell you to take a poop?
>
>
>Chung, you're way to obvious.
Aw, another Chung = Mu; spouting from the halls of the mentally
challenged.
Here's how this works, Gavin, and let me be the first to say you just
dug your own credibility grave.
1) Google Mu
2) Google Pastorio and MU
3) Google Roger Zoul or Carmen in alsdc.
4) Google Moron.
Copy and past definition in between Kurt and Gavin.
Al Klein
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein, after fleeing AUK in fear, wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> "Mu" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:nqb3k25l5edmars93...@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:16:48 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
>> >> >
>> >> > Sir, you need a cardiologist to tell you to take a poop?
>> >>
>> >> Chung, you're way to obvious.
>> >
>> > Add paranoid delusions (seeing me in all who respond to you) to your
>> > sulking and perserverating:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bb459cab6410e303?
>>
>> Cardiology, Andrew, not psychiatry.
>
>Internal medicine includes psychiatry.
You're claiming to be board certified in psychiatry? Stick to your
certification.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."
- George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000
"God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith,
deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by
God to save Germany."
- Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Al Klein, after fleeing AUK in fear, wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> >> "Mu" <m...@moo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:nqb3k25l5edmars93...@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:16:48 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Yes Andi, there definitely is a "rotten fruit" around here somewhere....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sir, you need a cardiologist to tell you to take a poop?
> >> >>
> >> >> Chung, you're way to obvious.
> >> >
> >> > Add paranoid delusions (seeing me in all who respond to you) to your
> >> > sulking and perserverating:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bb459cab6410e303?
> >>
> >> Cardiology, Andrew, not psychiatry.
> >
> >Internal medicine includes psychiatry.
>
> You're claiming to be board certified in psychiatry?
No.
I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine and remain
therefore qualified to diagnose and treat psychiatric disorders along
with other medical problems.
This victory belongs to GOD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Laus Deo ! !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give
you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Al whom I love
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine
So what part of "cardiology" are you certified for? Taking a BP?
Using a 'scope? I doubt any hospital you didn't have part ownership
in would give you coronary surgical privileges.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
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stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
The usual 'blame the victim' stuff. And ladies *still* support the
Islamic (and Christian) bullshit. :\
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>Geoff <ge...@nospam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>
>> Kurt Gavin <dontb...@ignore.com> wrote in message
>
>>> Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali does not wear a hijab and said it is
>>> not worn to prevent rape or harassment and it is up to "males to learn how
>>> to control themselves".
>
>>> Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, echoed
>>> the young adviser's statements, saying she was "disgusted and offended" by
>>> the Shiek's statements.
>
>> Wake up and smell the coffee. Religion is a curse. Why would anyone want to
>> stay in any religion where they are second-class citizens is beyond me.
>
>I wonder how many of them really want to leave it, but since it's
>considered a sin to abandon Islam, they're afraid to?
It's a death sentence to be carried out by anyone.
stoney
Both Christianity and Islam do just that.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine
>
> So what part of "cardiology" are you certified for?
All parts.
You remain vanquished:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Laus Deo !
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite grace and mercy keep your heart beating in
order to give you extra time to understand and act on this, dear
neighbor Al whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
<snip bogus chung link>
>Al whom I love unconditionally.
Hmmm,,, chunkers certainly IS a rotten fruit...
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein, after fleeing in fear from AUK, wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> >I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine
>>
>> So what part of "cardiology" are you certified for?
>
>All parts.
Which board?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Al Klein, after fleeing in fear from AUK, wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> >I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine
> >>
> >> So what part of "cardiology" are you certified for?
> >
> >All parts.
>
> Which board?
Only one is recognized in the U.S.
You remain defeated:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
and strength:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f?
Laus Deo !
Marana tha !
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein, after fleeing in fear from AUK, wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >Al Klein, after fleeing in fear from AUK, wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine
>> >>
>> >> So what part of "cardiology" are you certified for?
>> >
>> >All parts.
>>
>> Which board?
>
>Only one is recognized in the U.S.
ACOG?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Al Klein, after fleeing in fear from AUK, wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >Al Klein, after fleeing in fear from AUK, wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I remain licensed and board-certified in internal medicine
> >> >>
> >> >> So what part of "cardiology" are you certified for?
> >> >
> >> >All parts.
> >>
> >> Which board?
> >
> >Only one is recognized in the U.S.
>
> ACOG?
No.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Al whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
Kurt Gavin
<snip superstitious drivel and bogus LINKS>
Here's the answer Andrew....
The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason (Paperback)
a.. Paperback: 224 pages
a.. Publisher: W. W. Norton; Reprint edition (October 10, 2005)
a.. Language: English
a.. ISBN: 0393327655
Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Sam Harris cranks out blunt, hard-hitting chapters to make his case for why
faith itself is the most dangerous element of modern life. And if the
devil's in the details, then you'll find Satan waiting at the back of the
book in the very substantial notes section where Harris saves his more
esoteric discussions to avoid sidetracking the urgency of his message.
Interestingly, Harris is not just focused on debunking religious faith,
though he makes his compelling arguments with verve and intellectual
clarity. The End of Faith is also a bit of a philosophical Swiss Army knife.
Once he has presented his arguments on why, in an age of Weapons of Mass
Destruction, belief is now a hazard of great proportions, he focuses on
proposing alternate approaches to the mysteries of life. Harris recognizes
the truth of the human condition, that we fear death, and we often crave
"something more" we cannot easily define, and which is not met by
accumulating more material possessions. But by attempting to provide the
cure for the ills it defines, the book bites off a bit more than it can
comfortably chew in its modest page count (however the rich Bibliography
provides more than enough background for an intrigued reader to follow up
for months on any particular strand of the author' musings.)
Harris' heart is not as much in the latter chapters, though, but in
presenting his main premise. Simply stated, any belief system that speaks
with assurance about the hereafter has the potential to place far less value
on the here and now. And thus the corollary -- when death is simply a door
translating us from one existence to another, it loses its sting and
finality. Harris pointedly asks us to consider that those who do not fear
death for themselves, and who also revere ancient scriptures instructing
them to mete it out generously to others, may soon have these weapons in
their own hands. If thoughts along the same line haunt you, this is your
book.--Ed Dobeas --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
<snip bogus links>
Mu
wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:23:13 -0400, "Geoff" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Wake up and smell the coffee. Religion is a curse. Why would anyone want
>>>to
>>>stay in any religion where they are second-class citizens is beyond me.
>>
>> Fully agree. Most religions bastardize faith for their own purposes.
>> Faith never made anyone a second class citizen.
>
> Nonsense. That depends entirely on what you have faith in. Faith in gods
>and faith that their self appointed human proxies are the magic guy's
>appointed spokesmen, judge , jury and executioner has done exactly that and
>much worse.
> Rob Brown
Name me one religion that hasn't bastardized their faith in their God
at one time or another. You can't, my statement stands as Truthful.
Mu
wrote:
>> Fully agree. Most religions bastardize faith for their own purposes.
>> Faith never made anyone a second class citizen.
>
> See the statement below and your response, from another thread. Can you
>reconcile your two statements?
>Rob Brown
>
>>Sam Harris cranks out blunt, hard-hitting chapters to make his case for why
>>faith itself is the most dangerous element of modern life
>
>"I agree. It most certainly is. The power of faith is dangerous and it
>threatens the existence of damn near everything that modern society
>stands for."
Considering that the "fully agree." statement is mine, and the"Sam
Harris" statement is not, why should I?
But you miss the point. Harris is correct. Faith is the telling issue.
Faith, belief In God, threatens the hold that Satan has on the
imperfect Man.
There are only three things that can be believed. There is a God and
no Satan, there is neither, or there is Satan only. The first would be
counter to Faith, the middle would make no difference to Faith, the
latter would also.
Mr. Harris, unbeknownst to him, has perfectly pointed this out.
Mu
>>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:23:13 -0400, "Geoff" <ge...@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>>Wake up and smell the coffee. Religion is a curse. Why would anyone want to
>>>stay in any religion where they are second-class citizens is beyond me.
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>>Fully agree. Most religions bastardize faith for their own purposes.
>>Faith never made anyone a second class citizen.
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>Both Christianity and Islam do just that.
Agree.