Re: I May Have a Problem
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> In the past couple of weeks I have been neglecting to inspect my feet.
> Now I've noticed numbness in the tips of my toes, and swollen ankles.
> Are these symptoms that a diabetic should look for? There's still
> movement in my toes, and mostly sensation. Any help, please?
Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your new symptoms. You
may be experiencing right-sided heart failure.
<><
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?
lilcatlady
wrote:
Dear Dr. Chung,
Would a painful hard callusy-blister type thing on one foot (under
large left toe in the area closest to the foot) that does not heal
possibly be any clue to heart abnormalities? I have had one there now
for about five months. Also about a week ago I developed a painless
hard but blistery type thing on TOP of my left foot below the toe next
to the big one.
I have been told I am non-diabetic. The large under toe thing makes it
painful to walk sometimes.
I have had my feet "freeze" (they felt like they fell asleep all of a
sudden) in the up posistion and stumbled in public a couple of times.
It was quite embarrassing. That was about 3 months before the callus
formed. I told my doctor about it and he did not know what it could
signify.
Thank you. Take care.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> Chuck Kopsho wrote:
>>
>> > In the past couple of weeks I have been neglecting to inspect my feet.
>> > Now I've noticed numbness in the tips of my toes, and swollen ankles.
>> > Are these symptoms that a diabetic should look for? There's still
>> > movement in my toes, and mostly sensation. Any help, please?
>>
>> Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your new symptoms. You
>> may be experiencing right-sided heart failure.
>
>
>Would a painful hard callusy-blister type thing on one foot (under
>large left toe in the area closest to the foot) that does not heal
>possibly be any clue to heart abnormalities? I have had one there now
>for about five months. Also about a week ago I developed a painless
>hard but blistery type thing on TOP of my left foot below the toe next
>to the big one.
>
>I have been told I am non-diabetic. The large under toe thing makes it
>painful to walk sometimes.
>
>I have had my feet "freeze" (they felt like they fell asleep all of a
>sudden) in the up posistion and stumbled in public a couple of times.
>It was quite embarrassing. That was about 3 months before the callus
>formed. I told my doctor about it and he did not know what it could
>signify.
Would suspect that you are possibly developing some peripheral
neuropathy, which can be associated with slow-to-heal foot ulcers.
This can happen even when there is no frank type-2 diabetes because we
now understand that the pro-inflammatory adipocytokines from visceral
adipose tissue (VAT), which happens with overeating, has pleiotropic
effects including peripheral neurotoxicity.
>Thank you.
Laus Deo :-)
> Take care.
The LORD takes care of us when we are mindful of WDJW.
Love in Jesus,
Andrew <><
--
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
Truth
Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
medicine. He has had no verifiable employment and no hospital
privileges since 2001 when he was fired in less than 3 months from his
very first post-cardiology fellowship job. He is not a reliable source
of medical information. He is not Board Certified in Internal Medicine
and when his Board Certification in Cardiology expires in 2010, he
will not be able to recertify due to his lack of patient encounters.
Caveat emptor.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> lilcatlady <kandilynk...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Chuck Kopsho wrote:
> >
> > > > In the past couple of weeks I have been neglecting to inspect my feet.
> > > > Now I've noticed numbness in the tips of my toes, and swollen ankles.
> > > > Are these symptoms that a diabetic should look for? There's still
> > > > movement in my toes, and mostly sensation. Any help, please?
> >
> > > Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your new symptoms. You
> > > may be experiencing right-sided heart failure.
> >
> >
> > Would a painful hard callusy-blister type thing on one foot (under
> > large left toe in the area closest to the foot) that does not heal
> > possibly be any clue to heart abnormalities? I have had one there now
> > for about five months. Also about a week ago I developed a painless
> > hard but blistery type thing on TOP of my left foot below the toe next
> > to the big one.
> >
> > I have been told I am non-diabetic. The large under toe thing makes it
> > painful to walk sometimes.
> >
> > I have had my feet "freeze" (they felt like they fell asleep all of a
> > sudden) in the up posistion and stumbled in public a couple of times.
> > It was quite embarrassing. That was about 3 months before the callus
> > formed. I told my doctor about it and he did not know what it could
> > signify.
> >
> > Thank you. Take care.
>
> Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
> medicine.
Lie.
If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites.
Truth is simple.
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee61d078f539ef44?
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
upcoming 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Cary Kittrell
Doctor Jack Kevorkian helped three people to die while still in
possession of an active medical license.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5db6d1794718e8?
>> > Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
>> > medicine.
>>
>> Lie.
>>
>> If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
>> verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites.
>
>Doctor Jack Kevorkian helped three people to die while still in
>possession of an active medical license.
Yes, he lost his medical license when it was deemed that he was unfit
to practice medicine.
Thus, an active medical license to practice does mean a person has
been deemed fit to practice medicine just as an active driver's
license means a person has been deemed fit to drive a motor vehicle.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly affirm that my retaining a medical license that has
been continuously active for 13 years since 1995 despite hysterical
complaints from non-christians does indicate fitness to continue
practicing medicine openly as a Christian !
Laus Deo ! ! !
Meanwhile, the inability of non-christians like you to publicly say
"Jesus is LORD" does indicate that you are not trustworthy because GOD
has looked into your heart and seeing only deceit has concluded that
He will not help you.
Bottom line concerning your heart being filled with only deceit:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Cary:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/WDJW
rea...@quackwatch.com
"Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
medicine. He has had no verifiable employment and no hospital
privileges since 2001 when he was fired in less than 3 months from his
very first post-cardiology fellowship job. He is not a reliable source
of medical information. He is not Board Certified in Internal Medicine
and when his Board Certification in Cardiology expires in 2010, he
will not be able to recertify due to his lack of patient encounters.
Caveat emptor."
The response:
>> > Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to
practice
>> > medicine.
>>
> Lie.
>
> If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
> verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites.
Or it means the wheels of regulation grind slowly in his state and/or
his situation has not been brought to their attention sufficiently
and/or they know and choose to ignore given the low or no level of
direct practice and/or want to avoid public awareness of the situation
given the alarm it might raise . It is hard to know how this might be
unless they aren't aware of his posting history which is sufficient unto
itself to open enquiries.
Interesting the remainder of the original is not mentioned. Does it
mean it is accurate?
Cary Kittrell
> il
> From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
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> >> > medicine.
> >>
> >> Lie.
> >>
> >> If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
> >> verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites.
> >
> >possession of an active medical license.
>
> Yes, he lost his medical license when it was deemed that he was unfit
> to practice medicine.
Actually, when he became unfit to practice medicine AND that condition
came to the attention of the relevant authorities.
Lacking one of the two predicates, a physician may continue to
possess an active license even if he should not.
>
> Thus, an active medical license to practice does mean a person has
> been deemed fit to practice medicine just as an active driver's
> license means a person has been deemed fit to drive a motor vehicle.
And as renewal is required only every so-many years, a person
could have gone completely blind and insane both, and still
hold a valid license to drive years after he should not be
allowed to do so.
- cary
Truth
Let's have a look at another Chung attempt at deconstruction and
avoidance of details he'd rather not have repeated from this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thread/2183b272a021a420#
On Dec 18, 8:48 am, Truth <yamant...@aol.com> wrote:
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> On Dec 18, 8:35 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
> wrote:
> > satan masquerading as truth via a sockpuppet despairingly posted:
> > > lilcatlady <kandilynk...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> My apologies to the group. I see that my post about the barium swallow
> > >> has quickly turned BAD. I did not mean for any of that to happen and
> > >> feel terrible about it, goodness.
> > >> Will someone please direct me to an active cardiac forum where I may
> > >> read info and/or ask questions on various symptoms and findings from
> > >> an echo please?
> > >> Thank you. Take care.
> > >Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
> > >medicine.
> > Lie.
> Incorrect, it's true. But anyway.....
> What about the rest of my paragraph, Chung? It states that "He has had
> no verifiable employment and no hospital
> privileges since 2001 when he was fired in less than 3 months from his
> very first post-cardiology fellowship job. He is not a reliable source
> of medical information. He is not Board Certified in Internal Medicine
> and when his Board Certification in Cardiology expires in 2010, he
> will not be able to recertify due to his lack of patient encounters.
> Caveat emptor. "
> Is that true or is that a lie?
Shall we take it line by line?
>Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
>medicine.
True. Chung lies about having an active practice. This is not
verifiable and he has no hospital privileges anywhere. Chung lies
about having sold the domain name emorycardiology.com for 1 million
dollars. Chung lies about having had thousands of people successfully
lose weight on his 2PD diet. Chung lies about the origin of his 2PD
Approach.
He has had
> no verifiable employment and no hospital
> privileges since 2001 when he was fired in less than 3 months from his
> very first post-cardiology fellowship job.
True. Chung was fired from his Ocala, Florida position for being out
of step with the other cardiologists there. He did not perform
satisfactorily and was asked to leave.
>He is not a reliable source
> of medical information.
True. Chung lives in his own twisted world. He twists bible passages
and repetitively chants them. He doesn't practice medicine up to
minimal medical standards and is unable to discuss medical treatments
or theories without resorting to calling others "Satan" or "convicted"
when they question him or ask him to explain.
He is not Board Certified in Internal Medicine
> and when his Board Certification in Cardiology expires in 2010, he
> will not be able to recertify due to his lack of patient encounters.
True and easily verifiable.
Chung calls me Satan or states that I am a sockpuppet of satan and
that all I say is a lie. Any *discerning* person can verify for him or
herself that what I've said is true and it is Chung who is dishonest.
Watch him try to deflect this criticism with some meaningless drivel
about the Holy Spirit or doing what Jesus wants.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> Actually, when he became unfit to practice medicine AND that condition
> came to the attention of the relevant authorities.
>
> Lacking one of the two predicates, a physician may continue to
> possess an active license even if he should not.
Back to your attempt to compare Dr. Kevorkian's passion for euthanasia
to my passion for LORD Jesus Christ...
The GA Medical Board has been aware of my personal choice to be openly
Christian for years.
They simply disagree with you and other non-christians that being
openly Christian makes a physician unfit to practice medicine. Their
being largely Christian may have something to do with that opinion.
On the other hand, the U.S. being one nation under LORD Almighty GOD
is possibly a greater factor.
Bottom line:
The only physician you can trust to be truthful and competent are
those who have GOD's help to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as you have
witnessed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
Truth is simple.
May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Cary:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/30eab081a6f9167e?
> >
> > Actually, when he became unfit to practice medicine AND that condition
> > came to the attention of the relevant authorities.
> >
> > Lacking one of the two predicates, a physician may continue to
> > possess an active license even if he should not.
>
> Back to your attempt to compare Dr. Kevorkian's passion for euthanasia
> to my passion for LORD Jesus Christ...
There's no there to go back to. I made no such comparison, but
merely tried to enlighten you as to the illogic of replying to:
Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
medicine.
with the clearly fallacious:
If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites.
>
> The GA Medical Board has been aware of my personal choice to be openly
> Christian for years.
>
> They simply disagree with you and other non-christians that being
> openly Christian makes a physician unfit to practice medicine.
Then they don't disagree with me at all, because I hold no
such opinion, no matter your desire to wrap yourself in
the victim's mantle of those persecuted for their faith.
I do wonder, however, if they would concur with my opinion
of a physician who holds that every adult should be eating
exactly two pounds of food, composition unspecified; and
who is convinced that Satan Himself is communicating with
him via numerous helpless possessed Usenet posters.
What do you think?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/30eab081a6f9167e?
> > >
> > > Actually, when he became unfit to practice medicine AND that condition
> > > came to the attention of the relevant authorities.
> > >
> > > Lacking one of the two predicates, a physician may continue to
> > > possess an active license even if he should not.
>
> > Back to your attempt to compare Dr. Kevorkian's passion for euthanasia
> > to my passion for LORD Jesus Christ...
>
> There's no there to go back to. I made no such comparison, but
> merely tried to enlighten you as to the illogic of replying to:
>
> "Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
> medicine."
Which is libellous text from someone who has been a pathogical liar
since blaspheming against the Holy Spirit:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
> with the clearly fallacious:
>
> "If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
> verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites."
Which is a truthful statement because of the following interaction
with the GA Medical Board:
"Andrew, how has the Holy Spirit informed you that 32 ounces is the
optimal amount for all of us? Have you been hearing His voice?" -- GA
Medical Board member.
"No, have not been hearing His voice though not saying that He can't
have me hear His voice. Instead, it is like booting up your personal
computer and finding a new folder on your windows desktop with the
information that is needed. GOD remains the Source of all knowledge
and wisdom." -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is LORD ! ! !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
Truth
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/30eab081a6f9167e?
>
> > > > Actually, when he became unfit to practice medicine AND that condition
> > > > came to the attention of the relevant authorities.
>
> > > > Lacking one of the two predicates, a physician may continue to
> > > > possess an active license even if he should not.
>
> > > Back to your attempt to compare Dr. Kevorkian's passion for euthanasia
> > > to my passion for LORD Jesus Christ...
>
> > There's no there to go back to. I made no such comparison, but
> > merely tried to enlighten you as to the illogic of replying to:
>
> > "Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
> > medicine."
>
> Which is libellous text from someone who has been a pathogical liar
> since blaspheming against the Holy Spirit:
>
It's not a libelous statement when it's true. (You misspelled
libellous)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
upcoming 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Cary Kittrell
Oh, I'm sure *that* reassured the "GA Medical Board"[sic]
Incidentally, why not a verbatim quote, rather than an obvious
recast into Chung-style dialog?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/30eab081a6f9167e?
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, when he became unfit to practice medicine AND that condition
> > > > > came to the attention of the relevant authorities.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lacking one of the two predicates, a physician may continue to
> > > > > possess an active license even if he should not.
> > >
> > > > Back to your attempt to compare Dr. Kevorkian's passion for euthanasia
> > > > to my passion for LORD Jesus Christ...
> > >
> > > There's no there to go back to. I made no such comparison, but
> > > merely tried to enlighten you as to the illogic of replying to:
> > >
> > > "Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
> > > medicine."
> >
> > since blaspheming against the Holy Spirit:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
> >
> > > with the clearly fallacious:
> > >
> > > "If this were true, would not have an active medical license that is
> > > verifiable on-line at multiple independent third-party web sites."
> >
> > Which is a truthful statement because of the following interaction
> > with the GA Medical Board:
> >
> > "Andrew, how has the Holy Spirit informed you that 32 ounces is the
> > optimal amount for all of us? Have you been hearing His voice?" -- GA
> > Medical Board member.
> >
> > "No, have not been hearing His voice though not saying that He can't
> > have me hear His voice. Instead, it is like booting up your personal
> > computer and finding a new folder on your windows desktop with the
> > information that is needed. GOD remains the Source of all knowledge
> > and wisdom." -- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
>
> Oh, I'm sure *that* reassured the "GA Medical Board"[sic]
It remains my personal choice to continue to receive the guidance of
the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write. The fact remains
that the active status of my medical license remains verifiable via
multiple on-line independent third party web sites. This makes you and
others accessories to unlawful acts of libel.
> Incidentally, why not a verbatim quote, rather than an obvious
> recast into Chung-style dialog?
Again, it remains my personal choice to continue to receive the
guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
Cary Kittrell
Oh? Quote my "libelous" statement(s):
-- cary
Truth
Incorrect (and a dodge as usual)
No one has said that you are not currently a licensed physician. It's
not libel if it's a true statement. The truth is that you are unfit to
practice medicine due to reasons of mental illness, dishonesty and
inability to practice up to minimal standards. You are are not Board
Certified in Internal Medicine. You have no hospital privileges or
medical staff membership.You have not had any verifiable employment
since being fired in Ocala, Fla in 2001 from your first and only post-
cardiology fellowship employment. You're a liar and a lunatic. All of
this is true.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"...the clearly fallacious: 'If this were true, would not have an
active medical license that is verifiable on-line at multiple
independent third-party web sites.'"
Truth
Cary Kittrell
Saying that an opinion of yours is fallacious constitutes libel?
In other words, every time you have labeled a statement
by another Usenet poster as "Incorrect" -- one of your
most favorite repsones -- you have committed libel?
Here, let me give you an actual case of libel, with the hope
that you can learn to see the difference.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b22fbafae950a7e7
I hope that helped clarify the distinction.
--cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You written statement makes you an accessory to the following clearly
libelous written statement:
"Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
medicine." -- a non-christian.
Truth is simple.
And, there is no truth in your heart else the Holy Spirit would have
helped you publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Truth
Incorrect. It's not libel when it's true. It doesn't matter who says
it, a Christian, an non-Christian, the Dalai Lama or the Iman of
Brooklyn. It's still true.
> "Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
> medicine." --The Holy Spirit
And what about the rest of the quote? It is all true.
No one has said that Chung is not currently a licensed physician.
It's
not libel if it's a true statement. The truth is that Chung is unfit
to practice medicine due to reasons of mental illness, dishonesty and
inability to practice up to minimal standards. Chung is not Board
Certified in Internal Medicine. Chung has no hospital privileges or
medical staff membership.Chung has not had any verifiable employment
since being fired in Ocala, Fla in 2001 from his first and only
post- cardiology fellowship employment. Chung is a liar and a lunatic.
All of
this is verifiable and true.
Cary Kittrell
Entirely and completely incorrect. What I DID say -- as well as proving
via counter-example -- was that your statment was fallacious,
that having an active license does not ipso facto prove that the
license holder currently remains competent to practice.
What I did NOT say is whether or not this applies to you.
And incidentally, google "accessory to libel" and notice
how many hits you get.
Oh, and one other thing... you snip; I restore:
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Saying that an opinion of yours is fallacious constitutes libel?
In other words, every time you have labeled a statement
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, the quote is not just incorrect but libelous.
My personal choice to be openly Christian is neither mental illness
nor a sign of dishonesty nor an impairment.
Truth is simple.
Cary Kittrell
And I didn't write it, now did I? I merely demonstrated how your
response to it was illogical. Captain.
So, Go whinge at the poster who did write it (who, incidentally, is
an actual autonomous human being, and not some meat puppet)
> My personal choice to be openly Christian is neither mental illness
> nor a sign of dishonesty nor an impairment.
When you find somebody other than yourself flogging that idea,
quote him or her, and then we'll go into it. I myself
have never written anything of the sort, because I myself
think that's a silly idea, nor do I personally know anyone
else who would agree with it.
Oh,,,well, you know:
09909090909090909090909
Entirely and completely incorrect. What I DID say -- as well as proving
via counter-example -- was that your statment was fallacious,
that having an active license does not ipso facto prove that the
license holder currently remains competent to practice.
What I did NOT say is whether or not this applies to you.
And incidentally, google "accessory to libel" and notice
how many hits you get.
Oh, and one other thing... you snip; I restore:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Saying that an opinion of yours is fallacious constitutes libel?
In other words, every time you have labeled a statement
by another Usenet poster as "Incorrect" -- one of your
most favorite repsones -- you have committed libel?
Here, let me give you an actual case of libel, with the hope
that you can learn to see the difference.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b22fbafae950a7e7
I hope that helped clarify the distinction.
--cary
>
> <><
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Did not write that you did.
Instead, you remain an accessory by what you wrote in support of the
libelous statement.
This simply shows that there is no truth is your heart, so that the
Holy Spirit is absolutely right not to help you publicly say "Jesus is
LORD."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?
Cary Kittrell
Actually, I wrote in support of logic and intellectual honesty.
SOMEBODY had to.
>
> This simply shows that there is no truth is your heart,
Well, how *there's* a worthy candidate for Irony of the Day,
Usenet Division.
Incidentally, how's that search for the legal concept
"accessory to libel" coming along?
.........................
>
> Actually, the quote is not just incorrect but libelous.
And I didn't write it, now did I? I merely demonstrated how your
response to it was illogical. Captain.
So, Go whinge at the poster who did write it (who, incidentally, is
an actual autonomous human being, and not some meat puppet)
> My personal choice to be openly Christian is neither mental illness
> nor a sign of dishonesty nor an impairment.
When you find somebody other than yourself flogging that idea,
quote him or her, and then we'll go into it. I myself
have never written anything of the sort, because I myself
think that's a silly idea, nor do I personally know anyone
else who would agree with it.
Oh,,,well, you know:
09909090909090909090909
Entirely and completely incorrect. What I DID say -- as well as proving
via counter-example -- was that your statment was fallacious,
that having an active license does not ipso facto prove that the
license holder currently remains competent to practice.
What I did NOT say is whether or not this applies to you.
And incidentally, google "accessory to libel" and notice
how many hits you get.
Oh, and one other thing... you snip; I restore:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Saying that an opinion of yours is fallacious constitutes libel?
In other words, every time you have labeled a statement
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> Actually, I wrote in support of logic and intellectual honesty.
Wiser to trust the truth because all else is fallacious.
It is when you choose to trust the truth, that the time becomes right
for GOD to drive out the deceit from your heart so that the Holy
Spirit would possibly help you to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ab6d5efb9599e8d?
> >
> > Actually, I wrote in support of logic and intellectual honesty.
>
> Wi
Andy snip! Bad Andy! Bad BAD Andy!
Actually, I wrote in support of logic and intellectual honesty.
Don Kirkman
article
<dbd39ccf-5ea9-4bb4...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>:
>The GA Medical Board has been aware of my personal choice to be openly
>Christian for years.
>They simply disagree with you and other non-christians that being
>openly Christian makes a physician unfit to practice medicine. Their
>being largely Christian may have something to do with that opinion.
>On the other hand, the U.S. being one nation under LORD Almighty GOD
>is possibly a greater factor.
Though not perfect that is a more accurate interpretation than you
presumption that Christian physicians should be preferred. I must
admit, though, that it's been a while since you've used that one.
>Bottom line:
>
>The only physician you can trust to be truthful and competent are
>those who have GOD's help to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as you have
>witnessed:
Spoke too soon, I guess, because there is the old beauty dressed in
slightly newer garb than the last time I saw her.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Christian for years.
>
> > They simply disagree with you and other non-christians that being
> > openly Christian makes a physician unfit to practice medicine. Their
> > being largely Christian may have something to do with that opinion.
> > On the other hand, the U.S. being one nation under LORD Almighty GOD
> > is possibly a greater factor.
>
> Though not perfect that is a more accurate interpretation than you
> presumption that Christian physicians should be preferred.
It remains simply their opinion rather than an interpretation.
In the Holy Spirit, I know that only those, who are able to publicly
declare that "Jesus is LORD," do not have malice in their hearts.
> I must
> admit, though, that it's been a while since you've used that one.
Actually, you have been informed of this rather frequently even up to
recently.
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > The only physicians you can trust to be truthful and competent are
> > those who have GOD's help to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as you have
> > witnessed:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY
>
> Spoke too soon, I guess, because there is the old beauty dressed in
> slightly newer garb than the last time I saw her.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your still being unable to publicly
say "Jesus is LORD:"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7450430959d1363?
Truth
wrote:
Chung is a dishonest, mentally ill person who is not fit to practice
Truth
Caveat emptor.
It's not libel if it's true. And all of the above statements are true.
Go ahead, Chung. Parse it out. Line by line and feebly attempt to
mangle the words and ive your spin on why it's not true. Then look up
the legal definition of libel. Then call me Satan.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
upcoming 2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
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just4p...@gmail.com
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Heres a link to the first exclusive forum on cardiology; The Cardiac
Forum. It can be found at www.cardiacforum.org . I think this would
help
fakeAtlantaC...@trollandliar.org
Registrant City:Bangalore
Registrant State/Province:Karnataka
Registrant Postal Code:560076
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The only moderator who has ever been able to help a forum is GOD.
Truth is simple :-)
<><
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
Robert Miles
<just4p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ffa9a57d-d6f1-49ac...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
Do they have the sense to keep Chung out?
Also, why are you crossposting about it mostly to newsgroups
unrelated to cardiology?
Tiger Lily
that's good, there is a cardiology group for people to post to again,
now that ABC has single handedly DESTROYED the newsgroup
--
kate
type 1 since 1987
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http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?