Re: The United States of North America WILL Make War Against Israel
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > brother oldwetdog wrote:
> >> In the Lifetime of THIS generation, The United States of North America
> >> WILL Make War Against Israel.
> >
> > Why do you believe this, Glenn ?
>
> Because God has said "All the Nations..."
>
> Isa 34:2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his
> fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath
> delivered them to the slaughter.
All nations opposing Israel here.
> Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their
> armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse,
> and against his army.
The United States of America is not led by a king of the earth but by
the "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
"Just as I am not of this earth, you no longer are of this earth." --
LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Indeed, the current President of the United States of America is a
born-again Christian and thus is a servant of Christ as is the rest of
us who are HIS brethren.
Nothing happens by chance because everything the world would attribute
to chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33).
> And,
> Rev 20:8 And [Satan] shall go out to deceive the nations which are in
> the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together
> to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
> 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp
> of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God
> out of heaven, and devoured them.
The United States of America is seen by many to be an extension of
Israel. For this reason, the hatred of Israel is extended to this
confederation of states, which is one nation under GOD but a
confederation of states without HIM.
LORD Jesus Christ is "HIM that sat on the horse" in Revelation 19:19.
"The United States of America is part of HIS army." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Behold in wonder and amazement:
Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
brother Glenn whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, Mental Disorder
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How
can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the
end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought
her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to
sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.
And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no
longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If
he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her
food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any
of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any
payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves
as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both
male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die
right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the
slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave
survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his
own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
PetShopQueen007
Kurt Gavin
"PetShopQueen007" <petshop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> whats this all gotta do with cardiology?! lol
Absolutely nothing. It has to do with Chung, who spams cardiology with his
jesus fantasies.
PetShopQueen007
helpful information, points, and opinions on certain medical matters
that have actually really helped people. more than some doctors i have
seen, thats for sure. it appears he can put things together better than
most doctors i have seen.
On Jan 23, 5:30 pm, "Kurt Gavin" <dontbot...@ignore.com> wrote:
> "PetShopQueen007" <petshopqueen...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1169590927.4...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > whats this all gotta do with cardiology?! lolAbsolutely nothing. It has to do with Chung, who spams cardiology with his
> jesus fantasies.
Kurt Gavin
> the guy seems to actually know his stuff and has= provided some very
> helpful information, points, and opinions on certain medical matters
> that have actually really helped people. more than some doctors i have
> seen, thats for sure. it appears he can put things together better than
> most doctors i have seen.
Well, go look at his 2pd Omer diet. That may change your opinion.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> demon KG wrote:
> > neighbor "PetShopQueen007" <petshopqueen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > whats this all gotta do with cardiology?! lol
There is a cardiologist in the center drawing the ire of demons.
This demonstrates the lack of free will in demons as manifested by
their obsessions:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
> > Absolutely nothing. It has to do with Chung, who spams cardiology with his
> > jesus fantasies.
QED
> the guy seems to actually know his stuff and has= provided some very
> helpful information, points, and opinions on certain medical matters
> that have actually really helped people. more than some doctors i have
> seen, thats for sure. it appears he can put things together better than
> most doctors i have seen.
All the credit belongs to GOD, Who has created all things and authored
reality.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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> neighbor "PetShopQueen007" <petshopqueen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> demon KG wrote:
>> > neighbor "PetShopQueen007" <petshopqueen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > whats this all gotta do with cardiology?! lol
>
> There is a cardiologist in the center drawing the ire of demons.
LOL.
Excellent. She wants to know why people think you're a nut, so you go ahead
and show her!
> This demonstrates the lack of free will in demons as manifested by
> their obsessions:
Chunkers, your other deriders and I, make fun of you because it's
entertaining, and you deserve it for your spamming.
It is YOU who lacks free will.
If I'm wrong, prove it by not posting your ridiculous religious fantasy
spams.
Let's see if you can do that.
If you can't, it proves you lack free will, and are yourself a demon.
> http://groups.google.com/g < s n i p >
> /sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
Mu
> Chunkers, your other deriders and I, make fun of you because it's
> entertaining, and you deserve it for your spamming.
>
> It is YOU who lacks free will.
>
> If I'm wrong, prove it by not posting your ridiculous religious fantasy
> spams.
>
> Let's see if you can do that.
>
> If you can't, it proves you lack free will, and are yourself a demon.
I see that idiocy is immune to time, Gavin. Grow up, there is real life
outside of Usenet lunacy.
Try it.
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Kurt Gavin
"Mu" <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:12:53 GMT, Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
>> Chunkers, your other deriders and I, make fun of you because it's
>> entertaining, and you deserve it for your spamming.
>>
>> It is YOU who lacks free will.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, prove it by not posting your ridiculous religious fantasy
>> spams.
>>
>> Let's see if you can do that.
>>
>> If you can't, it proves you lack free will, and are yourself a demon.
>
> I see that idiocy is immune to time, Gavin. Grow up, there is real life
> outside of Usenet lunacy.
Andrew, quit posting through this gmail personna you created - most of us
see through it.
Again, prove you yourself are not an obssessed demon.
Do it by not posting your ridiculous religious fantasy
spams.
>
Mu
> Andrew,
*PLONK*
Kurt Gavin
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:21:10 GMT, Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>
> *PLONK*
LOL
Andrew, you looked pretty haggard in that photo of you that someone posted a
few weeks back.
Get some sleep, eat regularly, and for goodness sake, see a mental health
professional.
Russell McDade
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1169541848....@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> Indeed, the current President of the United States of America is a
> born-again Christian and thus is a servant of Christ as is the rest of
> us who are HIS brethren.
Rubbish.
Bush is a liar and a murderer.
<big snip>
> The United States of America is seen by many to be an extension of
> Israel.
Yes.
> For this reason, the hatred of Israel is extended to this
> confederation of states, which is one nation under GOD but a
> confederation of states without HIM.
> LORD Jesus Christ is "HIM that sat on the horse" in Revelation 19:19.
>
> "The United States of America is part of HIS army." -- Holy Spirit
Utter bullsh*t.
In Jesus name, Russell
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > Indeed, the current President of the United States of America is a
> > born-again Christian and thus is a servant of Christ as is the rest of
> > us who are HIS brethren.
>
> Rubbish.
> Bush is a liar and a murderer.
Matthew 7:1-2
> <big snip>
>
> > The United States of America is seen by many to be an extension of
> > Israel.
>
> Yes.
>
> > For this reason, the hatred of Israel is extended to this
> > confederation of states, which is one nation under GOD but a
> > confederation of states without HIM.
> > LORD Jesus Christ is "HIM that sat on the horse" in Revelation 19:19.
>
> > "The United States of America is part of HIS army." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> Utter bullsh*t.
>
> In Jesus name, Russell
"I know you not. Depart from ME you evildoer." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you wisely choose to
surrender to HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May you choose wisely at these crossroads in your life:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/725921f131c086d5?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
neighbor Russell whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Kurt Gavin
>>
>> > The United States of America is seen by many to be an extension of
>> > Israel.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> > For this reason, the hatred of Israel is extended to this
>> > confederation of states, which is one nation under GOD but a
>> > confederation of states without HIM.
>> > LORD Jesus Christ is "HIM that sat on the horse" in Revelation 19:19.
>>
>> > "The United States of America is part of HIS army." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
>
>> Utter bullsh*t.
>>
>> In Jesus name, Russell
>
> "I know you not. Depart from ME you evildoer." -- LORD Jesus Christ
You remind me of a dog seeking an imaginary master, and leaving smelly
jesus turds all over the place.
WOOF WOOF, plop plop
CHUNG (mu)- Prove you yourself are not an obssessed demon. Do it by not
posting your ridiculous religious fantasy
spams.
CHUNG, spend your time studying here -->> http://www.evilbible.com/
Russell McDade
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1169726635....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> Matthew 7:1-2
Do you think that Bush tells the truth?
Meat is for those who's facilities are trained to
distinguish between good and evil. If you can only
drink milk [baby food] I suggest you wise up before
posting on usenet.
> > <big snip>
> "I know you not. Depart from ME you evildoer." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Amen.
>
> This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
> and strength:
The verse you are quoting has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
If you think it has, your are as delusional as president Bush.
"Victory" in Christ is victory over sin. It has _nothing_ to do with
invading other countries for the sake of a lie.
Grow up Andrew.
In Jesus mighty name, Russell
Qadosh Stephanos
Andrew likes to trample on pearls.
Dogs are considered to be unholy.
Self-delusion is his vanity work.
Fundamentalism is his trademark.
As barley cakes baked with dung.
As bread is leavened with pride.
Mu
>> Indeed, the current President of the United States of America is a
>> born-again Christian and thus is a servant of Christ as is the rest of
>> us who are HIS brethren.
>
> Rubbish.
> Bush is a liar and a murderer.
So was Paul. How Christ works and weaves is nothing I care to try to
completely understand.
Kurt Gavin
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:54:47 +1100, Russell McDade wrote:
>
>>> Indeed, the current President of the United States of America is a
>>> born-again Christian and thus is a servant of Christ as is the rest of
>>> us who are HIS brethren.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>> Bush is a liar and a murderer.
>
> So was Paul. How Christ works and weaves is nothing I care to try to
> completely understand.
That's becasue your a total shit-for-brains, Chung.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9188f6d73606c100?
> > Matthew 7:1-2
>
> Do you think that Bush tells the truth?
U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has not been truthful.
> Meat is for those who's facilities are trained to
> distinguish between good and evil.
Only GOD is good. You would have known this had yours been a discerning
heart.
> If you can only
> drink milk [baby food] I suggest you wise up before
> posting on usenet.
All knowlege and wisdom comes from GOD... none from either you or me.
> > > <big snip>
> > "I know you not. Depart from ME you evildoer." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> > Amen.
>
> > This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
> > and strength:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f
> The verse you are quoting has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
Correct.
Instead, it refers to those who, like you, use HIS name but unwisely
choose to not to do HIS will but your own.
> If you think it has, your are as delusional as president Bush.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> "Victory" in Christ is victory over sin.
Christ's victory over death is HIS victory over sin.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ partake in HIS victory through HIS
amazing grace and mercy.
> It has _nothing_ to do with
> invading other countries for the sake of a lie.
GOD's will be done and not ours. Those who do HIS will are those who
are credited with righteousness.
> Grow up Andrew.
It remains my choice to continue my walk with Christ Jesus as a new
creature reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirit. Just as HE is
not of this world, so we, the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ, are no
longer of this world.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Kurt Gavin
> Convicted neighbor "Russell McDade" wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9188f6d73606c100?
>
>> > Matthew 7:1-2
>>
>> Do you think that Bush tells the truth?
>
> U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
>
> Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has not been truthful.
>
>> Meat is for those who's facilities are trained to
>> distinguish between good and evil.
>
> Only GOD is good. You would have known this had yours been a discerning
> heart.
>
>> If you can only
>> drink milk [baby food] I suggest you wise up before
>> posting on usenet.
>
> All knowlege and wisdom comes from GOD... none from either you or me.
You are a degenerate idiot. Here's an example of god's knowlege and wisdom.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will
not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please
the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is
not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the
contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry
his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her
as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he
may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.
If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman
without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Qadosh Stephanos
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
The people of Paul and of they world.
John 17:14 (ASV)
I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are
not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Russell McDade
<circumcised to preserve sanity>
> U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
No.
Bush has consistently lied. You shall know them
by their fruit. Lying and murder are bad fruit.
> Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has not been truthful.
Probably another liar. Just like Bush, except he claims a different
religious
faith.
> > Meat is for those who's facilities are trained to
> > distinguish between good and evil.
>
> Only GOD is good. You would have known this had yours been a discerning
> heart.
<eyes rolling>
<snip>
> Instead, it refers to those who, like you, use HIS name but unwisely
> choose to not to do HIS will but your own.
How would you know?
Because I disagreed with your naive opinion?
<snip meaningless banter>
> It remains my choice to continue my walk with Christ Jesus as a new
> creature reborn of HIS living water and the Holy Spirit.
Wonderful.
> Just as HE is
> not of this world, so we, the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ, are no
> longer of this world.
>
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Huh?
Stick with cardiology or whatever is your day job.
Russell
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
> No.
> Bush has consistently lied.
To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
deceive.
Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
that a person is lying.
It logically follows that you have been consistently untruthful in what
you have written. If your intent has been to consistently deceive as a
false witness, you have suppled the evidence that condemns you as a
liar.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Kurt Gavin
> Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> <circumcised to preserve sanity>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
>
>> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
>
>> No.
>> Bush has consistently lied.
>
> To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
> deceive.
>
> Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
> that a person is lying.
Well, this is an example of "christian" fantasy in that it has all sorts of
corrupted angles to permit lying and evasion of responsibilty.
Chung, you are an liar and a degenerate. This is what this jesus crap does
to people.
<snip further stool>
Qadosh Stephanos
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> <circumcised to preserve sanity>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
>
>> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
>
>> No.
>> Bush has consistently lied.
>
>To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
>deceive.
When a person is in error does that make him a liar?
Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
There remains only one nation whom has used the WMD.
>Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
>that a person is lying.
I guess that means all those courts of law should be shut down. ;-)
>It logically follows that you have been consistently untruthful in what
>you have written. If your intent has been to consistently deceive as a
>false witness, you have suppled the evidence that condemns you as a
>liar.
Didn't you say in the above that only God knows a person is lying.
>Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
How come when I click on your photo, the system cannot locate you?
Anyway, thanks for exposing all those many liars. Including myself.
Maybe you should create another page with the people that are true?
>Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
> >
> >> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
> >
> >> No.
> >> Bush has consistently lied.
> >
> >To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
> >deceive.
>
> When a person is in error does that make him a liar?
No. That makes him human, an accursed inhabitant of an accursed
world. With satan wandering about to and fro in this accursed world
with his demons causing discord, misery, anxiety, sickness, pain, and
death, this accursed world is hell.
> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
They have been moved to neighboring countries.
> There remains only one nation whom has used the WMD.
It is when two nations use WMDs on each other, that the world as we
know it will be destroyed.
> >Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
> >that a person is lying.
>
> I guess that means all those courts of law should be shut down. ;-)
After the LORD's day of judgment, all courts of law will be shut down.
> >It logically follows that you have been consistently untruthful in what
> >you have written. **If** your intent has been to consistently deceive as a
> >false witness, you have supplied the evidence that condemns you as a
> >liar.
>
> Didn't you say in the above that only God knows a person is lying.
Yes.
See **emphasis** above.
> >Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> >
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> How come when I click on your photo, the system cannot locate you?
Not convicted by the Holy Spirit.
> Anyway, thanks for exposing all those many liars. Including myself.
>
> Maybe you should create another page with the people that are true?
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/
2ff499ec114db48a?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1169937429....@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
>> >
>> >> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
>> >
>> >> No.
>> >> Bush has consistently lied.
>> >
>> >To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
>> >deceive.
>>
>> When a person is in error does that make him a liar?
>
> No. That makes him human, an accursed inhabitant of an accursed
> world. With satan wandering about to and fro in this accursed world
> with his demons causing discord, misery, anxiety, sickness, pain, and
> death, this accursed world is hell.
Well, we are degenerating into an end-of-the-evil-world dementia, aren't we?
;-))
>> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
>
> They have been moved to neighboring countries.
Why don't you have jesus tell you where they are?
>> There remains only one nation whom has used the WMD.
>
> It is when two nations use WMDs on each other, that the world as we
> know it will be destroyed.
That happened in ww1, and we're still here.
>> >Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
>> >that a person is lying.
Only A psychiatrist, who knows what is in chung's demented mind can know
when he's lying or deep within a delusion.
>> I guess that means all those courts of law should be shut down. ;-)
>
> After the LORD's day of judgment, all courts of law will be shut down.
Will he be trying himself?
Jude + Alexander
"Qadosh Stephanos" <qadosh.s...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:p7omr297attj8ae82...@4ax.com...
You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
leads him in everything he perceives and says, thus putting himself on the
level of Jesus. I just walked away eventually. This is what one does with
someone who lives in a delusion.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor "Qadosh Stephanos" wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
> leads him in everything he perceives and says
Incorrect.
It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
I say, do, and write.
> , thus putting himself on the level of Jesus.
Incorrect.
Christ Jesus remains my LORD and my GOD.
> I just walked away eventually. This is what one does with
> someone who lives in a delusion.
Matthew 7:1-2
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you wisely choose to
surrender to HIM:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
May you choose wisely at these crossroads of your life:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
neighbor Jude whom I love unconditionally.
Jude + Alexander
> neighbor Jude + Alexander wrote:
>> convicted neighbor "Qadosh Stephanos" wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8daf1cb790cc92e8?
>>
>> You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
>> leads him in everything he perceives and says
>
> Incorrect.
>
> It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
> I say, do, and write.
You just said it!!! YOU just said that you receive HIS guidance in
EVERYTHING you say, do and write!!! Heee hee hee hee hee, that's all,
folks!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> convicted neighbor "Qadosh Stephanos" wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8daf1cb790cc92e8?
> >>
> >> You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
> >> leads him in everything he perceives and says
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
> > I say, do, and write.
>
> You just said it!!!
What the Holy Spirit has guided me to write is not the same as what
you chose to falsely write:
"You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy
Spirit" leads him in everything he perceives and says" -- convicted
neighbor "Jude + Alexander"
To guide is not the same as to lead.
Neither say, do, nor write is the same as perceive.
Bottomline: You are untruthful especially in your choice to bear false
witness.
Clearly, the Holy Spirit is right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely refrain from blaspheming HIM, Who has convicted you
else become a demon like the others and instead wisely surrender to
our risen Messiah:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ so much more deeply,
dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
> YOU just said that you receive HIS guidance in
> EVERYTHING you say, do and write!!! Heee hee hee hee hee, that's all,
> folks!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
DesertHare
: neighbor Jude + Alexander wrote:
: > convicted neighbor "Qadosh Stephanos" wrote:
: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
: >
: > >>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8daf1cb790cc92e8?
: >
: > You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
: > leads him in everything he perceives and says
:
: Incorrect.
:
: It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
: I say, do, and write.
This mark is the idea of God's perfection. Descartes argues:
1.. I have an idea of a perfect being (God)
2.. In every cause there must be at least as much reality as there is in
the effect
3.. I am imperfect
4.. Given that I am imperfect (3) I cannot be responsible for the idea of
perfection that I hold (1)
5.. Therefore, given that every cause must be at least as great as its
effect (2), whatever caused my idea of perfection (1) must be perfect.
Therefore a perfect being exists and this is God who created me.
The reasons behind this argument being put forward (aside from the
historical context of the time in which Descartes worked) can be seen from
the placing of this argument in the overall structure of the Meditations. In
book one Descartes has shown that it is possible to doubt everything
(demolishing knowledge as it was understood at the time). In book two
Descartes, as part of his attempts to build a new system of knowledge,
starts on the foundations, and demonstrates an argument for the existence of
his mind (the Cogito).
As Descartes is a creationist Christian, before he can move on to proving
the existence of the objective world he must first prove the existence of
the creator. This fits with his concept of the cause having at least as much
reality as the effect. As he follows back the chain of cause and effect
Descartes ultimately reaches the point of creation and thus the ultimate
cause. This cause is the most real, he argues, as it has no cause and thus
cannot be denied or doubted.
Although this argument relies heavily on the thoughts of medieval
philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas, the clarity of logic of the argument
must be admired, and indeed this is one of the arguments strongest points.
However the trademark argument can still be attacked. One argument against
it is that how can an imperfect being have an idea of perfection? Descartes
could respond to this by pointing out that this was the very argument that
he used to deduce the existence of God. This attack of the trademark
argument assumes that having an idea of perfection must make the thinker
perfect in some way and this is not what Descartes stated.
A more powerful argument against Descartes is that his argument is circular
in its logic. Descartes relies upon the existence of a perfect being to
place an idea in his head of a perfect being, which in turn leads to the
proof of the existence of the perfect being.
The argument from circularity, whilst casting doubt on the logical method of
Descartes' argument is still not a knockdown refutation.
It could also be argued that Descartes assumes that his idea of perfection
is itself perfect. If there was a flaw in his idea then surely it could have
been caused by something less than perfect (for example Descartes himself)
and thus would not prove the existence of God? In response to this it can be
argued that an idea that relates purely internally (such as the relationship
between thinker and meaning) cannot be mistaken (as described in the answer
to (a)).
Another point of attack may be that the trademark argument implies that
everyone's ideas of a perfect being must have all come from the same source
(the perfect being). However, has not history shown us that people in fact
have very different ideas of a perfect being, and thus the source cannot be
the same? However, again Descartes could defend his argument. He could argue
that as ideas are purely internal they could not be communicated and
compared between people. Another response might be that as our ideas are
purely internal and it is judgement that relates to the external world we
could still all have a perfect idea of a perfect being, but have faults in
our judgement which explain history.
A further attack proposes that it is possible to have other ideas that are
themselves in some way perfect. For example having an idea of a perfectly
round circle. The idea cannot be false as is relating to and describing an
aspect of perfection. However, this idea does not prove the existence of
anything, but merely demonstrates that it is possible for an imperfect being
to hold a concept of perfection. If it is possible to hold an idea of a
perfect circle, but still be imperfect, surely it is possible to hold a
concept of a perfect being whilst being imperfect, without interference from
outside the mind?
Again, though, this counter-argument is not a knockdown refutation. The
arguments and counter arguments appear to boil down to the question of
whether it is possible to prove that God did or did not give you an idea,
something which is quite likely impossible to prove.
It would also be possible to attack the argument by attacking some of the
logical principles of the argument, such as questioning the relationship
between cause and effect. However, this simply leads to further
philosophical questions and may form part of an infinite regress.
Lastly, it could be argued that Descartes has not shown how his argument is
immune from the interference of the malign genius from his first meditation.
Is it not possible that he could be deceived into believing his logic when
it may in fact be fatally flawed?
In conclusion to this assessment of the trademark argument for the existence
of God we can say that it neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.
However arguments against it cannot disprove the argument, so at the very
least the argument is a useful and interesting advancement of the
discussions regarding one of the oldest questions in western philosophy.
: Andrew <><
Qadosh Stephanos
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
>> >
>> >> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
>> >
>> >> No.
>> >> Bush has consistently lied.
>> >
>> >To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
>> >deceive.
>>
>> When a person is in error does that make him a liar?
>
>No. That makes him human, an accursed inhabitant of an accursed
>world. With satan wandering about to and fro in this accursed world
>with his demons causing discord, misery, anxiety, sickness, pain, and
>death, this accursed world is hell.
Sometimes it is helpful to say those things to yourself in a mirror.
>> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
>
>They have been moved to neighboring countries.
But America is not a neighboring country.
>> There remains only one nation whom has used the WMD.
>
>It is when two nations use WMDs on each other, that the world as we
>know it will be destroyed.
That's not what the prophets wrote.
>> >Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
>> >that a person is lying.
>>
>> I guess that means all those courts of law should be shut down. ;-)
>
>After the LORD's day of judgment, all courts of law will be shut down.
Except for the law that God wrote in mens hearts.
>> >It logically follows that you have been consistently untruthful in what
>> >you have written. **If** your intent has been to consistently deceive as a
>> >false witness, you have supplied the evidence that condemns you as a
>> >liar.
>>
>> Didn't you say in the above that only God knows a person is lying.
>
>Yes.
>
>See **emphasis** above.
**If** casts doubt.
>> >Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>> >
>> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>>
>> How come when I click on your photo, the system cannot locate you?
>
>Not convicted by the Holy Spirit.
You're a funny and an illogical person.
>> Anyway, thanks for exposing all those many liars. Including myself.
>>
>> Maybe you should create another page with the people that are true?
>
>Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Thanks for your concern.
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/
>2ff499ec114db48a?
>
>May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, curing our
>diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
>neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
>neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Unfortunately, the medical community has not yet cured that diabetes.
Two-faced love is conditional in that I believe and follow your Paul.
This ain't going to happen. What makes you think you are my neighbor?
>Andrew <><
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, x-MD/PhD" <snip
>> You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
>> leads him in everything he perceives and says
>
> Incorrect.
>
> It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
> I say, do, and write.
You don't have any choices.
You're a brainless jesus spouting robot whose mental processes are
degenerating daily.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung,
BuuurrrrrrrrrrP
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >
> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
> >> >
> >> >> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
> >> >
> >> >> No.
> >> >> Bush has consistently lied.
> >> >
> >> >To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
> >> >deceive.
> >>
> >> When a person is in error does that make him a liar?
> >
> >No. That makes him human, an accursed inhabitant of an accursed
> >world. With satan wandering about to and fro in this accursed world
> >with his demons causing discord, misery, anxiety, sickness, pain, and
> >death, this accursed world is hell.
>
> Sometimes it is helpful to say those things to yourself in a mirror.
Not for those who choose to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything they say, do, and write.
> >> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
> >
> >They have been moved to neighboring countries.
>
> But America is not a neighboring country.
America has more advanced weapons of mass destruction than Irag so
that it has no need for Iraq's short range nuclear tipped SCUDs nor
Iraq's suitcase nuclear bombs.
> >> There remains only one nation whom has used the WMD.
> >
> >It is when two nations use WMDs on each other, that the world as we
> >know it will be destroyed.
>
> That's not what the prophets wrote.
That is what is described in Revelation 6.
> >> >Only GOD, Who knows what is in both the mind and the heart can know
> >> >that a person is lying.
> >>
> >> I guess that means all those courts of law should be shut down. ;-)
> >
> >After the LORD's day of judgment, all courts of law will be shut down.
>
> Except for the law that God wrote in mens hearts.
Courts of law is not synonymous with the law the GOD has written in
men's hearts.
> >> >It logically follows that you have been consistently untruthful in what
> >> >you have written. **If** your intent has been to consistently deceive as a
> >> >false witness, you have supplied the evidence that condemns you as a
> >> >liar.
> >>
> >> **emphasis** added
> >>
> >> Didn't you say in the above that only God knows a person is lying.
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >See **emphasis** above.
>
> **If** casts doubt.
For masters of logic, conditionals do not indicate doubt but rather
convey certainty about decision branch points.
"The discerning are masters of logic." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> >> >Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> >> >
> >> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >>
> >> How come when I click on your photo, the system cannot locate you?
> >
> >Not convicted by the Holy Spirit.
>
> You're a funny and an illogical person.
Without the LORD, your sense of humor, your logic, and the rest of
your life are all meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >> Anyway, thanks for exposing all those many liars. Including myself.
> >>
> >> Maybe you should create another page with the people that are true?
> >
> >Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2ff499ec114db48a?
>
> Thanks for your concern.
Thanks be to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Dear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
> >May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, curing our
> >diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
> >neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
> >neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Unfortunately, the medical community has not yet cured that diabetes.
No such thing as either unfortunately or fortunately when all that the
world believes happens by chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33).
As for curing type-2 diabetes, this has happened for those who lose
their visceral adipose tissue (VAT) by using the GOD-breathed 2PD-OMER
Approach:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> Two-faced love is conditional in that I believe and follow your Paul.
Without the LORD, your opinions is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> This ain't going to happen. What makes you think you are my neighbor?
You have not unwisely blasphemed the Holy Spirit yet.
May you wisely choose to surrender to LORD Jesus Christ, instead:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ so much more, dear
neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Jude + Alexander
anything about it but pray for you.
Art Deco
>convicted neighbor Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >convicted neighbor Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >Convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
More silly attribution games.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/84172bd28978040d?
>> >> >
>> >> >> > U.S. President George Bush has been truthful.
>> >> >
>> >> >> No.
>> >> >> Bush has consistently lied.
>> >> >
>> >> >To lie is to convey something known to be false with the intent to
>> >> >deceive.
>> >>
>> >> When a person is in error does that make him a liar?
>> >
>> >No. That makes him human, an accursed inhabitant of an accursed
>> >world. With satan wandering about to and fro in this accursed world
>> >with his demons causing discord, misery, anxiety, sickness, pain, and
>> >death, this accursed world is hell.
>>
>> Sometimes it is helpful to say those things to yourself in a mirror.
>
>Not for those who choose to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
>everything they say, do, and write.
Where is the "United States of North America" on a map, you buffoon?
>
>> >> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
>> >
>> >They have been moved to neighboring countries.
>>
>> But America is not a neighboring country.
>
>America has more advanced weapons of mass destruction than Irag so
>that it has no need for Iraq's short range nuclear tipped SCUDs nor
>Iraq's suitcase nuclear bombs.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Chung demonstrates his profound military expertise.
More of your waffling.
Has this "cure" been reviewed by the AMA, Chung?
I didn't think so.
--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
> and I'm sorry that you are where you are but I can't do
> anything about it but pray for you.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <><
Russell McDade
<snip>
> America has more advanced weapons of mass destruction than Irag so
> that it has no need for Iraq's short range nuclear tipped SCUDs nor
> Iraq's suitcase nuclear bombs.
This is just silly. Please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Here's a quote from the page above:
"Great controversy emerged when no stockpiles of such weapons were found,
leading to accusations that the United States, and in particular its
President George W. Bush had deliberately inflated intelligence or lied
about Iraq's weapons in order to justify an invasion of the country."
Russell
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > America has more advanced weapons of mass destruction than Iraq so
> > that it has no need for Iraq's short range nuclear tipped SCUDs nor
> > Iraq's suitcase nuclear bombs.
>
> This is just silly.
Would suggest you read about America's Trident II nuclear missiles:
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=1400&ct=2
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/slbm/d-5.htm
> Please read:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
>
> Here's a quote from the page above:
> "Great controversy emerged when no stockpiles of such weapons were found,
> leading to accusations that the United States, and in particular its
> President George W. Bush had deliberately inflated intelligence or lied
> about Iraq's weapons in order to justify an invasion of the country."
This discussion is about nuclear and not chemical weapons:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124924,00.html
Russell McDade
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1170056445.8...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> Would suggest you read about America's Trident II nuclear missiles:
No need to.
You claimed that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
It did not, this can be demonstrated by many sources.
*If* there are any nuclear weapons in Iraq now it is directly
because of George W Bush's actions.
<snip>
> This discussion is about nuclear and not chemical weapons:
Nobody has mentioned chemical weapons except you. Do you
have a statement to make?
Russell
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > Would suggest you read about America's Trident II nuclear missiles:
>
> No need to.
> You claimed that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
It the Holy Spirit, I know Iraq had nuclear weapons.
> It did not, this can be demonstrated by many sources.
Clearly, Iraq did:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124924,00.html
> *If* there are any nuclear weapons in Iraq now it is directly
> because of George W Bush's actions.
Incorrect. See above.
> <snip>
>
> > This discussion is about nuclear and not chemical weapons:
>
> Nobody has mentioned chemical weapons except you.
The Wikipedia cite about chemical weapons was yours.
> Do you have a statement to make?
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Bottomline: You remain untruthful.
Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
neighbor Russell whom I love unconditionally.
Russell McDade
<snip>
> > No need to.
> > You claimed that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
>
> It the Holy Spirit, I know Iraq had nuclear weapons.
>
> > It did not, this can be demonstrated by many sources.
>
> Clearly, Iraq did:
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124924,00.html
There are two problems with this story:
1stly: Even the story admits that the radioactive material was
largely from "medical and industrial purposes", and therefore
useless for creating a nuclear reaction. The worst that can be
done with this radioactive waste is to make a 'dirty bomb'.
A dirty bomb is not a nuclear bomb, its just an ordinary bomb
that scatters radioactive waste around the place. In a similar
way to the depleted uranium weapons the American's used
on Iraq in Gulf War 1.
In fact much of it was possibly from Gulf War 1.
2ndly: Fox news network is the bitch of the Bush admin.
Its no secret that Murdoch uses his media outlet to shill
for his CFR buddies like Bush.
If there were any nuclear weapons Iraq prior to the 03 invasion
the Fox network would be yelling it from the roof tops for years
to come. Colin Powel's resignation was largely because of this
issue. He was possibly the last in the Bush admin with any integrity.
<from memory>
If you want to see some interesting footage concerning this topic go
to your local video store and hire the movie Fahrenheit 9/11. There
is film clips of Colin Powel and Condi Rice both claiming that Saddam
had *no* weapons of mass destruction. The footage is from early 2001.
<snip>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > > No need to.
> > > You claimed that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
> >
> >
> > > It did not, this can be demonstrated by many sources.
> >
> > Clearly, Iraq did:
> >
> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124924,00.html
>
> There are two problems with this story:
>
> 1stly: Even the story admits that the radioactive material was
> largely from "medical and industrial purposes", and therefore
> useless for creating a nuclear reaction. The worst that can be
> done with this radioactive waste is to make a 'dirty bomb'.
> A dirty bomb is not a nuclear bomb, its just an ordinary bomb
> that scatters radioactive waste around the place. In a similar
> way to the depleted uranium weapons the American's used
> on Iraq in Gulf War 1.
> In fact much of it was possibly from Gulf War 1.
>
> 2ndly: Fox news network is the bitch of the Bush admin.
> Its no secret that Murdoch uses his media outlet to shill
> for his CFR buddies like Bush.
>
> If there were any nuclear weapons Iraq prior to the 03 invasion
> the Fox network would be yelling it from the roof tops for years
> to come. Colin Powel's resignation was largely because of this
> issue. He was possibly the last in the Bush admin with any integrity.
Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion. Saddam did not get an opportunity to
use them on his enemies but he had enough warning about the invasion
to get them out of Iraq to its neighbors. Now you know why Iran has
been bold in making statements that it has the means of defeating its
enemies if any attempts were made to invade it.
> <from memory>
> If you want to see some interesting footage concerning this topic go
> to your local video store and hire the movie Fahrenheit 9/11. There
> is film clips of Colin Powel and Condi Rice both claiming that Saddam
> had *no* weapons of mass destruction. The footage is from early 2001.
Neither Powell nor Rice are omniscient.
The Holy Spirit, however, is omniscient.
Clearly, you remain convicted by HIM:
Russell McDade
<snip>
> Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
> Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion.
I humbly disagree. There is no evidence to support this. Even
the guy that the Bush admin. appointed to find them said there
were no weapons of mass destruction.
> Saddam did not get an opportunity to
> use them on his enemies but he had enough warning about the invasion
> to get them out of Iraq to its neighbors.
Again no evidence.
> Now you know why Iran has
> been bold in making statements that it has the means of defeating its
> enemies if any attempts were made to invade it.
Iran was the sworn enemy of Saddam's Iraq.
To say that Saddam sent his WMD to Iran is just silly.
It never happened.
> > <from memory>
> > If you want to see some interesting footage concerning this topic go
> > to your local video store and hire the movie Fahrenheit 9/11. There
> > is film clips of Colin Powel and Condi Rice both claiming that Saddam
> > had *no* weapons of mass destruction. The footage is from early 2001.
>
> Neither Powell nor Rice are omniscient.
I never suggested they were.
But the statements they made back in early 2001 were
probably honest. Unlike more recent statements.
<snip>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
> > Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion.
>
> I humbly disagree.
This is not a matter for disagreement but one of unbelief on your
part.
> There is no evidence to support this.
There will be in time.
> Even
> the guy that the Bush admin. appointed to find them said there
> were no weapons of mass destruction.
It was either that or admit failure.
> > Saddam did not get an opportunity to
> > use them on his enemies but he had enough warning about the invasion
> > to get them out of Iraq to its neighbors.
>
> Again no evidence.
There is no disputing the fact that Saddam had enough warning in
advance from the Russians about the U.S. invasion to give him plenty
of time for doing this.
> > Now you know why Iran has
> > been bold in making statements that it has the means of defeating its
> > enemies if any attempts were made to invade it.
>
> Iran was the sworn enemy of Saddam's Iraq.
> To say that Saddam sent his WMD to Iran is just silly.
> It never happened.
At the time of the looming invasion by the U.S., Iran looked more like
a friend. Only Iran had the technological knowledge to use the
nuclear weapons and the military might in the region to keep the
nuclear weapons away from the U.S.
>
> > > <from memory>
> > > If you want to see some interesting footage concerning this topic go
> > > to your local video store and hire the movie Fahrenheit 9/11. There
> > > is film clips of Colin Powel and Condi Rice both claiming that Saddam
> > > had *no* weapons of mass destruction. The footage is from early 2001.
> >
> > Neither Powell nor Rice are omniscient.
>
> I never suggested they were.
> But the statements they made back in early 2001 were
> probably honest. Unlike more recent statements.
Suggested reading:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/0ea825d2ffac33b2?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear
cap...@shipper.com
Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion. Saddam did not get an opportunity to
use them on his enemies but he had enough warning about the invasion to
get them out of Iraq to its neighbors. Now you know why Iran has been
bold in making statements that it has the means of defeating its enemies
if any attempts were made to invade it."
No, your claim to having such powers using "chi" are unsupported, "chi"
is of a pagan religion. The Holy Spirit is not "chi" so we now know
wherein you stand.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1170056445.8...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > America has more advanced weapons of mass destruction than Iraq so
>> > that it has no need for Iraq's short range nuclear tipped SCUDs nor
>> > Iraq's suitcase nuclear bombs.
>>
>> This is just silly.
>
> Would suggest you read about America's Trident II nuclear missiles:
You are following the path of a classic "end of the world" nut.
It won't be long now - until you're under 24 hour care, that is...
Kurt Gavin
> convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
>> > Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion.
>>
>> I humbly disagree.
>
> This is not a matter for disagreement but one of unbelief on your
> part.
So now you're cliaming supernatural beings are telling you about the
location of nuclear weapons.
Fine - ask these beings WHERE THE NUKES ARE NOW.
Tell us where the are. If you can't, then you are a FRAUD, Chung.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1170050825....@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Jude + Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Chung, you're mental
>
> In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
Jesus hates you, that's why he has disturbed your mind.
Pi
"malscribe" <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote in message news:BC798C76A2388@A29E675...
> Kurt Gavin shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
>>>> Chung, you're mental
>>>
>>> In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
>>
>> Jesus hates you, that's why he has disturbed your mind.
>
> spraying vinegar up its nose.
The Spirit of Error has spoken in here. This is a perfect example as how Satan
has control of th unGodly people in these news groups, and they think they are in
control! :-D.
(1 John 4:1-4 NASB)
Testing the Spirits
1 ?a?Beloved, do not believe every ?b?spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because ?c?many false prophets have
gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: ?a?every spirit that
?b?confesses that ?c?Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that ?a?does not confess Jesus is not from God;
this is the spirit of the ?b?antichrist, of which you have heard that it is
coming, and ?c?now it is already in the world.
4 You are from God, ?a?little children, and ?b?have overcome
them; because ?c?greater is He who is in you than ?d?he who is in the
world.
5 ?a?They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the
world, and the world listens to them.
6 ?a?We are from God; ?b?he who knows God listens to us; ?c?he
who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know ?d?the
spirit of truth and ?e?the spirit of error.
[1]
==
A Truth to Claim (4-6)
A. You Are From God
1. You Listen to God
2. Listen to Us
B. They Are From Anti-Christ
1. They Listen to the World
2. Can't Listen to Us
C. Thus You Can Discern
1. Spirit of Truth
2. Spirit of Error
==
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of
God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Perfect, mature love requires discernment. Perfect love requires that we
test the spirits in order that we don't fall prey to those who would seek to
lure us away from the simplicity of the gospel. How do we test the spirits?
Read on.
1 John 4:2, 3
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of
antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now
already is it in the world.
If a teaching, suggestion, or thought is of the spirit of God, it will affirm
both the deity and the humanity of Christ.
The question in the early church never concerned the deity of Christ. The
debate was over His humanity. Church councils would convene in the
second century and argue vehemently over this issue because gnostic
thought had penetrated the church. Two thousand years later, however, it
is the deity of Christ that is continually called into question. John says the
Spirit of God attests to both the humanity and deity of Christ. Such is the
test by which we recognize Him.
1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is
he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
The walls of the submarines that descend two miles into the Mariana
Trench of the Pacific Ocean are constructed of thick steel plates to
withstand the tremendous pressure placed upon them. But the pictures
taken from such heavily protected submarines reveal fish swimming two
miles below the surface of the water with scales no thicker than that of any
other fish. How can this be? The answer is simple: The pressure on the
inside of those fish is equal to the pressure of the water around them.
That's the beauty of Christianity. Some people erect massive walls to
insulate themselves from the attacks of the Enemy-only to find
themselves filled with the frustration of isolation. The key is not to put up
massive walls to protect you from the Enemy-but to realize the One
inside you is greater than whatever pressure threatens to attack you.
When we understand that He that is in us is greater than any temptation,
problem, trauma, or difficulty that could come against us, we can move
through life freely.
[2]
==
THE NEED TO DISCERN BETWEEN TRUTH AND ERROR (4:1-6)
4:1 Having mentioned the Holy Spirit, John is reminded that there are
other spirits abroad in the world today, and that the children of God need
to be warned against them. Thus he cautions the believer not to trust every
spirit. The word spirit here probably refers primarily to teachers but not
exclusively so. Just because a man speaks about the Bible, God, and
Jesus does not mean that he is a true child of God. We are to test the
spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone
out into the world. These are people who profess to accept Christianity,
but teach another gospel altogether.
4:2 John gives the actual tests by which these men are to be proven. The
great test of a teacher is, "What do you think of Christ?" Every spirit that
confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. It is not so
much the confession of the historical fact, namely that Jesus was born into
the world in a human body, but rather it is the confession of a living
Person, Jesus Christ come in the flesh. It is the confession that
acknowledges Jesus as the Christ Incarnate. And confessing Him means
bowing to Him as Lord of one's life. Now if you ever hear a person
presenting the Lord Jesus as the true Christ of God, you will know that he
is speaking by the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God calls on men to
acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and to commit their lives to Him. The
Holy Spirit always glorifies Jesus.
4:3 And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh is not of God.? 5 This is how you can detect the false teachers.
They do not confess the Jesus who was described in the previous verse.
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which has been prophesied and which is
now already in the world. There are many today who are willing to say
acceptable things about Jesus, but they will not confess Him as God
Incarnate. They will say that Christ is "divine," but not that He is God.
4:4 Humble believers are able to overcome these false teachers because
they have the Holy Spirit within them, and this enables them to detect
error and to refuse to listen to it.
[3]
==
(1 Corinthians 2:9-16 NASB)
9 but just as it is written,
"?a?Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him."[4]
10 ?1??a?For to us God revealed them ?b?through the Spirit; for the
Spirit searches all things, even the ?c?depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the
?a?spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one
knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we ?a?have received, not the spirit of ?b?the world, but the
Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us
by God,
13 which things we also speak, ?a?not in words taught by human
wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, ?1?combining spiritual thoughts
with spiritual words.
14 But ?1?a ?a?natural man ?b?does not accept the things of the Spirit
of God, for they are ?c?foolishness to him; and he cannot understand
them, because they are spiritually ?2?appraised.
15 But he who is ?a?spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is
appraised by no one.
16 For ?a?who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct
Him? But ?b?we have the mind of Christ.[5]
2:9 These words from Is. 64:4, often incorrectly thought to refer to the
wonders of heaven, refer rather to the wisdom God has prepared for
believers. God's truth is not discoverable by eye or ear (objective,
empirical evidence), nor is it discovered by the mind (subjective, rational
conclusions).
In addition to this being a reference to heaven, I believe Paul is saying
even this side of heaven, we as believers see things others don't and know
things others can't because the Spirit reveals to us the big picture
eternally.[6]
2:10-16 The wisdom that saves, which man's wisdom can't know, is
revealed to us by God. He makes it known by revelation, inspiration, and
illumination. Revelation (vv. 10, 11) and inspiration (vv. 12, 13) were
given to those who wrote the Bible; illumination (vv. 14-16) is given to all
believers who seek to know and understand that divinely written truth. In
each case, the Holy Spirit is the divine agent doing the work (cf. 2 Pet.
1:21).
2:10 God has revealed them. By the Holy Spirit, God disclosed His
saving truth (cf. Matt. 11:25; 13:10-13). The Spirit alone was qualified
because He knows all that God knows, Himself being God. to us. As with
the "we's" in vv. 6, 7 and vv. 12, 13, Paul is, first of all, speaking of
himself (as in John 14:26; 15:26, 27; see notes there), and, in a sense, of
believers who have been given the Word as recorded by the apostles and
their associates who wrote the NT.
Who knows what God is doing? Only the Spirit of God-the same Spirit
given to us (John 14:16). The Spirit of God reveals to His people that
which human eyes can't see, that which human ears don't hear.[7]
2:12 we have received. The "we" and "us" refer to the apostles and other
writers of the Word of God. The means was inspiration (see notes on 2
Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21), by which God freely gave the gift of His
Word. It was this process of inspiration that turned the spiritual thoughts
into spiritual words (v. 13) to give life (cf. Matt. 4:4).
We see things others don't. We hear things others can't because the Holy
Spirit ministers to our spirits concerning spiritual truth. As a result, we
look at the world around us entirely differently. For example, the spiritual
man says, "No matter what the forecasters are predicting economically,
the Scriptures tell me God shall supply all my need, according to His
riches" (see Philippians 4:19). So, too, when the news anchors tell us the
Middle East is heating up and that conflict is about to erupt once more, I
already know what the political pundits can only guess at-that the armies
of the world will indeed converge upon the Middle East and that there will
be a battle ultimately.[8]
2:14 natural man. This refers to the unconverted, who lack supernatural
life and wisdom. Spiritually discerned. Through illumination of the Word,
the Holy Spirit provides His saints the capacity to discern divine truth (see
Ps. 119:18), which the spiritually dead are unable to comprehend (cf.
John 5:37-39; see notes on 1 John 2:20, 27). The doctrine of illumination
does not mean we know everything (cf. Deut. 29:29), that we do not
need teachers (cf. Eph. 4:11, 12), or that understanding does not require
hard work (cf. 2 Tim. 2:15).
The natural man goes to Food 4 Less and buys all-natural salad dressing
and naturally grown tomatoes. When a lady pushes her way in front of him
in the checkout line, it's only natural that he gets upset. After ringing up his
groceries, the checker accidentally gives him too much change. He keeps
it, naturally. Then he comes home and does what comes naturally: He
eats, drinks, and is somewhat merry-until the emptiness in his soul drives
him to look for something else. So he comes to a Bible study. He hears
the Word being taught, the Scriptures being discussed, but they are
foolishness to him because, as a natural man, he is spiritually blind.
The idea that man is a free moral agent is somewhat of a misconception.
Paul told Timothy that men are taken captive by the Enemy against their
wills, as they are blinded and bound by Satan (2 Timothy 2:26). That is
why when the natural man hears the Word, it's foolishness to him.
Much of our witnessing is ineffective because we fail to pray, "Lord,
please remove the blindfold Satan has put on this person's eyes.
Otherwise, he won't see the real issues. Please open his ears. Otherwise,
He won't hear Your voice."[9]
2:15 judged by no one. Obviously, unbelievers are able to recognize
Christians' faults and shortcomings; but they are not able to evaluate their
true nature as spiritual people who have been transformed into children of
God (cf. 1 John 3:2).
Although the spiritual man is able to put everything in perspective, the
worldling can't figure him out. The world can't understand why you go to
Bible study, why you have devotions, why you spend time in worship.
You're a puzzle, an enigma, a dilemma to the unbeliever.[10]
2:16 the mind of Christ. Quoted from Is. 40:13. The same word is
translated "understanding" in 14:14, 15, 19. Believers are allowed, by the
Word and the Spirit, to know the thoughts of their Lord. Cf. Luke
24:45.[11]
==
Six Liars
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we
lie and do not practice the truth. -1 John 1:6
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His truth is
not in us. -1 John 1:10
He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him. -1 John 2:4
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
that denieth the Father and the Son. -1 John 2:22
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that
loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom
he hath not seen? -1 John 4:20
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself; he that
believeth not God hath made God a liar; because he believeth not the
record that God gave of his Son. -1 John 5:10
John always includes a "key" to his writings, which will "unlock" their
meaning: Revelation 1:19 is its outline; John 20:31 is the specific purpose
of his Gospel; and, 1 John has 4 (times 7?) keys, all identified by the
phrase, "These things I write..."
"1 John" is more like a written sermon, a further development of the
themes in 2 John. We have left it to the last as the climax of the series.
==
Another Approach
1 John 4:1-6[12]
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but ?a?test the spirits, whether they
are of God; because ?b?many false prophets have gone out into the
world. ?2? By this you know the Spirit of God: ?c?Every spirit that
confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, ?3? and every
spirit that does not confess ?1?that Jesus ?2?Christ has come in the flesh
is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have
heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
?4? You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He
who is in you is greater than ?d?he who is in the world. ?5? ?e?They are
of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and ?f?the world
hears them. ?6? We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is
not of God does not hear us. ?g?By this we know the spirit of truth and
the spirit of error.
Verse Interpretation
4:1 Beloved, This term is used to exclusively represent the people of God.
do not believe every spirit. Looking back one verse to (1 John 3:24), the
mention of the Holy Spirit prompts John to inform his readers that those
other spirits exist, in the form of demonic spirits, who produce false
prophets and false teachers to propagate their false doctrine.
His readers would understand his point; Jewish people were familiar with
the idea of other spirits besides the Spirit of God. There were many
pagans in Asia Minor, as well as Jewish mystics claiming special
revelations; the need for discernment would be acute.[13]
? but ?a?test the spirits, Apply 1 Cor 14:29 ( 29? Let two or three
prophets speak, and ?t?let the others judge.[14] ). Also we are to be like
the Bereans and apply Acts 17:11 (?11? These were more ?4?fair-
minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all
readiness, and ?l?searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these
things were so.[15] ). Whatever anyone says who claims to be speaking
for the Lord must be tested by the Word of God.[16]
The word "test" is a term used for assaying metals to determine their
purity and value. Christians must test any teaching with a view to
approving or disapproving it rigorously comparing any teaching to the
Scripture. the spirits . many false prophets.
By juxtaposing "spirits" with "false prophets" John reminds his
readers that behind human teachers who propagate false
doctrine and error are demons inspired by Satan. Human false
prophets and teachers are the physical expressions of demonic,
spiritual sources.
(Matt. 7:15; Mark 13:22)
[17]
It soon becomes clear that false teachers are causing trouble in the
community to which the author is writing (1 John 2:27; 4:1). These the
author labels as "antichrists" (1 John 2:18) and "false prophets". The
strength of these labels for the author's opponents indicates both the
depth of his feeling about them and also the seriousness of their departure
from the apostolic teaching about Jesus.
4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God. John gives a measuring stick to
determine whether the teacher or Pastor of the message is a demon spirit
or the Holy Spirit.
The tests are:
· Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is the first test of a true
teacher: they acknowledge and proclaim that Jesus is God incarnate in
human flesh.
o Is the Virgin Birth important? It is essential!
· Failure to confess Jesus reveals that one is not of God. By their
refusal to confess the truth about Jesus, these false prophets now
reveal their true colors.
· John is fervent about the crucial importance of sound doctrine
expressed in God's Word as the only absolute and trustworthy
standard, as Gnostic thought had penetrated the church.
4:3 the spirit of the Antichrist. These false teachers who denied the true
nature of the Son are to be identified among the antichrists in 1 John
2:28,29.
· Both the full humanity and full deity of Jesus must be equally
maintained by the teacher or Pastor who is to be considered genuinely of
the Spirit. The Holy Spirit testifies to the true nature of the Son,
while Satan and his forces distort and deny that true nature.
o Third reference to the spirit of "antichrist" (1 John 2:18, 22).
The same demonic deception that will work to produce the
final world who rules as the false Christ is always actively
seeking to distort Jesus Christ's true nature, perverting the
gospel. The final Antichrist will not be something new,
but will be the ultimate embodiment of all the antichrist spirits
that have perverted truth and propagated satanic lies since the
beginning.
[18]
· Both the full humanity and full deity of Jesus must be equally
maintained by the teacher who is to be considered genuinely of the
Spirit. The Holy Spirit testifies to the true nature of the
Son, while Satan and his forces distort and deny that true nature.
o Third reference to the spirit of "antichrist" (1 John 2:18, 22).
4:4 He who is in you is greater. Believers need to be aware and alert to
false teaching, but not afraid, since those who have experienced the new
birth with its indwelling of the Holy Spirit have a built-in check against
false teaching. The Holy Spirit leads into sound doctrine for genuine
Christians evidencing that salvation has actually occurred. (Rom. 8:16-17
states ?16? ?w?The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we
are children of God, ?17? and if children, then ?x?heirs-heirs of God
and joint heirs with Christ, ?y?if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may
also be glorified together.[19]).
True believers have nothing to fear, for even Satan's hosts with
their perversions can't take them out of the Lord's hand.
Protection against error or victory over it are guaranteed by
sound doctrine and the indwelling Holy Spirit who
illumines the mind.
[20]
Satan has two strategies:
· Deny his existence; or
· Overemphasize his capabilities.
4:5 they speak as of the world . He who knows God hears us. John
gives another test of a true teacher:
· They speak God's word, and follow sound doctrine.
There are two Spirits, and every act is determined by either the spirit of
truth or the spirit of error.
4:6 By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. The OT and
NT are the sole standards by which all teaching is to be tested. In
contrast, demonically inspired teachers either reject the teaching of God's
Word or add elements to it (as the apostle Paul writes in: 2 Cor. 4:2; and
John in Rev. 22:18,19).
This is similar parallelism to what Jesus had to say: (?25? Jesus answered
them, "?I told you, and you do not believe. ?u?The works that I do in My
Father's name, they ?v?bear witness of Me. ?26? But ?w?you do not
believe, because you are not of My sheep, ?5?as I said to you. ?27?
?x?My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.)[21]
Those who are like-minded and affirm the world's message are from the
world, and, likewise, those who affirm the message that Christ came in the
flesh are of God. Whoever "knows God listens to us," and he is attracted
to John's message because of his abiding commitment and relationship to
the true God.
==
ERROR
The Hebrew words translated "error" suggest inadvertent sins and
wandering. The NT concept is expressed in the Greek word
plane, derived from a root that also means "to wander." The
biblical image is of a person who has lost his way and is deluded
or deceived about reality.
James puts Scripture's view of truth and error in perspective in the
last verses of his letter: "My brothers, if one of you should wander
from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this:
Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him
from death and cover over a multitude of sins" (Jas 5:19-20).[22]
==
Satan has sought to distort and deny God's Word, and is behind all false
teachers and false doctrine. John gives two doctrinal tests to determine
truth from error and false teachers from true teachers.
Satan has become an obvious reality and is now worshiped openly. Much
of this is taking place on or near our college campuses. What a few years
ago was considered to be way out in left field today exists out in the open.
A report came from Florida that a young boy of only seventeen years of
age was murdered, and they found that it was done to appease Satan.
Don't be taken in by everyone who comes along and says that he is a
Christian, because many of them are not. Pray for God's wisdom and
discernment.
==
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a 3 John 11
b Jer 29:8; 1 Cor 12:10; 1 Thess 5:20f; 2 Thess 2:2
c Jer 14:14; 2 Pet 2:1; 1 John 2:18
a 1 Cor 12:3
b 1 John 2:23
c John 1:14; 1 John 1:2
a 1 John 2:22; 2 John 7
b 1 John 2:18, 22
c 2 Thess 2:3-7; 1 John 2:18
a 1 John 2:1
b 1 John 2:13
c Rom 8:31; 1 John 3:20
d John 12:31
a John 15:19; 17:14, 16
a John 8:23; 1 John 4:4
b John 8:47; 10:3ff; 18:37
c 1 Cor 14:37
d John 14:17
e 1 Tim 4:1
[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Jn 4:1).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
[2]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1628).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
? 5 (4:3) The NU text omits the second "that" and "Christ has come in the
flesh."
[3]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible
Commentary : Old and New Testaments (1 Jn 4:1). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.
?a? Is 64:4; 65:17
[4]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 2:9).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
?1? One early ms reads But
?a? Matt 11:25; 13:11; 16:17; Gal 1:12; Eph 3:3, 5
?b? John 14:26
?c? Rom 11:33ff
?a? Prov 20:27
?a? Rom 8:15
?b? 1 Cor 1:27
?a? 1 Cor 1:17; 2:1, 4
?1? Or interpreting spiritual things forspiritual men
?1? Or an unspiritual
?a? 1 Cor 15:44, 46; James 3:15; Jude 19 mg
?b? John 14:17
?c? 1 Cor 1:18
?2? Or examined
?a? 1 Cor 3:1; 14:37; Gal 6:1
?a? Is 40:13; Rom 11:34
?b? John 15:15
[5]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 2:10).
LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
[6]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (Page
1017). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[7]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (Page
1017). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[8]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (Page
1017). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[9]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (Page
1017). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[10]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (Page
1018). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[11]MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed.) (1 Co 2:12). Nashville: Word Pub.
[12]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 (1 Jn 4:1). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
a ?1 Cor. 14:29?
b ?Matt. 24:5?
c [?Rom. 10:8-10?]; ?1 Cor. 12:3?; ?1 John 5:1?
1 NU omits that
2 NU omits Christ has come in the flesh
d ?John 14:30?; ?16:11?
e ?John 3:31?
f ?John 15:19?; ?17:14?
g [?1 Cor. 2:12-16?]
[13]Keener, C. S., & InterVarsity Press. (1993). The IVP Bible
background commentary : New Testament (1 Jn 4:1). Downers Grove,
Ill.: InterVarsity Press.
a ?1 Cor. 14:29?
t ?1 Cor. 12:10?
[14]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 (1 Co 14:29). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
4 Lit. noble
l ?Is. 34:16?; ?Luke 16:29?; ?John 5:39?
[15]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 (Ac 17:11). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
[16]Wiersbe, W. W. (1996, c1995). Be decisive. An Old testament
study. (Je 23:9). Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books.
[17]MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed.) (1 Jn 4:1). Nashville: Word Pub.
[18]MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed.) (1 Jn 4:3). Nashville: Word Pub.
w ?Eph. 1:13?
x ?Acts 26:18?
y ?Phil. 1:29?
[19]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 (Ro 8:16). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
[20]MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible
(electronic ed.) (1 Jn 4:4). Nashville: Word Pub.
u ?John 5:36?; ?10:38?
v ?Matt. 11:4?; ?John 2:11?; ?20:30?
w [?John 8:47?]
5 NU omits as I said to you
x ?John 10:4?, ?14?
[21]The New King James Version. 1996, c1982 (Jn 10:25). Nashville:
Thomas Nelson.
[22] Richards, Lawrence O. New International Encyclopedia of Bible
Words, (Zondervan Publishing House Grand Rapids, Michigan),
Copyright © 1985, 1991.
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>
>"malscribe" <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote in message news:BC798C76A2388@A29E675...
>> Kurt Gavin shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>>
>>>>> Chung, you're mental
>>>>
>>>> In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
>>>
>>> Jesus hates you, that's why he has disturbed your mind.
>>
>> Jesus has a pet bunny rabbit named "Andrew" that He likes to torment by
>> spraying vinegar up its nose.
>
>The Spirit of Error has spoken in here. This is a perfect example as how Satan
>has control of th unGodly people in these news groups, and they think they are in
>control! :-D.
Jumping Jesus on a hotplate - 650 lines of cut & paste bullshit.
Stick a fork in your eye. God is waiting.
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Ow shit, that hurts! You assholes!' "
[2 Kinison 3:45]
Martin
Tell ya sommat, it's very disturbing to think that he's a doctor is
actually let lose to treat people :(
Father Haskell
malscribe wrote:
> Kurt Gavin shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
> >>
> >> In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
> >
> > Jesus hates you, that's why he has disturbed your mind.
>
> spraying vinegar up its nose.
At least he's stopped cutting off their ears with roofing snips.
Kurt Gavin
"Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
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He's probably has some mild shizo tendencies, and got driven into his
present state by having them aggravated by religious fantasies.
The two things are probably reinforcing each other in a vicious cycle.
If he would get help, he probably could learn to overcome it.
Phÿltêr
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>
> "malscribe" <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote in message
> news:BC798C76A2388@A29E675...
>> Kurt Gavin shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>>
>>>>> Chung, you're mental
>>>>
>>>> In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> Jesus hates you, that's why he has disturbed your mind.
>>
>> Jesus has a pet bunny rabbit named "Andrew" that He likes to torment
>> by spraying vinegar up its nose.
>
> The Spirit of Error has spoken in here. This is a perfect example as
> how Satan has control of th unGodly people in these news groups, and
> they think they are in control! :-D.
LOLOL!! And so do you! Except your delusion is the one REALLY in control.
There's no god, no satan, just delusion through fear and ignorance.
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Luke
"Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com> wrote in message
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If we knew supernatural beings could tell us where the weapons were, then
why did the UN send Hans Blix?
Pastor Kutchie
On Jan 29, 10:16 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> > issue. He was possibly the last in the Bush admin with any integrity.Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
> Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion. Saddam did not get an opportunity to
> use them on his enemies but he had enough warning about the invasion
> to get them out of Iraq to its neighbors. Now you know why Iran has
> been bold in making statements that it has the means of defeating its
> enemies if any attempts were made to invade it.
>
"Mission & Role
The IAEA´s inspection and verification work in Iraq has addressed
activities from the mine to the weapon. Inspectors led the discovery
and dismantlement of Iraq's secret nuclear weapons programme in the
1990s. In the round of inspections ending in March 2003, IAEA
inspectors found no evidence that the nuclear programme had been
revived during the forced absence of INVO from 1998 until 2002."
Are you calling the IAEA liars?
Father Haskell
On Jan 29, 1:49 pm, malscribe <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote:
> Father Haskell shamelessly exposed this to the world:
> > He probably decided it was easier to stuff angry hornets
> > in the ear canals if the bunny's ears were left intact.
Freezing them first gives him time to suture the ears together
under bunny's chin.
Phÿltêr
news:BC798C7894038@A2922A7:
> And time to drop His holy boxers. Screaming bunnies give Jesus wood
> that just HAS to be polished.
Orally...
Mu
>> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
>
> They have been moved to neighboring countries.
Let me address that specifically.
CIA intelligence was nada on WMDs. Not nada on Hussein having them, nada
on that they could not, at the time pre-invasion, find them. How did
they know that he had them originally?
We gave them to him. Bush, especially Bush Sr. was fully aware of the
CIA's pre-war intell *and* Hussein's ownership, he ought to since he was
directly involved in the Iran Contra arms for sale and similar
under-the-table funding tactics. If you remember, we discussed this at
our last Blimpies.
They (War Hawks) believed two things. 1) They would find something
WMDish (think Oswald and Russian rifle) or 2) they flat didn't care. It
was a war they had planned on prior to W's election.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> Where are those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
> >
> > They have been moved to neighboring countries.
>
> Let me address that specifically.
>
> CIA intelligence was nada on WMDs. Not nada on Hussein having them, nada
> on that they could not, at the time pre-invasion, find them. How did
> they know that he had them originally?
>
> We gave them to him. Bush, especially Bush Sr. was fully aware of the
> CIA's pre-war intell *and* Hussein's ownership, he ought to since he was
> directly involved in the Iran Contra arms for sale and similar
> under-the-table funding tactics. If you remember, we discussed this at
> our last Blimpies.
>
> They (War Hawks) believed two things. 1) They would find something
> WMDish (think Oswald and Russian rifle) or 2) they flat didn't care. It
> was a war they had planned on prior to W's election.
In the Holy Spirit, I know that the Russians gave Saddam advanced
warning about the U.S. invasion because the number of nuclear weapons
they had given Iraq would have made the U.S. contribution
insignificant and this would have embarrassed them greatly. Now those
nuclear weapons are in Iran.
Andrew <><
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http://EmoryCardiology.com
Kurt Gavin
"Luke" <nos...@please.com> wrote in message
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What a moron.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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Father Haskell
On Jan 29, 7:19 pm, malscribe <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote:
> Phÿltêr shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
>
>
>
>
> > malscribe <wri...@rotted.pencil> blew me away with
> >news:BC798C7894038@A2922A7:
>
> >> Father Haskell shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
> >>> On Jan 29, 1:49 pm, malscribe <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote:
> >>>> Father Haskell shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
> >>>> > malscribe wrote:
> >>>> >> Kurt Gavin shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
> >>>> >> >>> Chung, you're mental
>
> >>>> >> >> In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely
> >>>> >> >> well.
>
> >>>> >> > Jesus hates you, that's why he has disturbed your mind.
>
> >>>> >> Jesus has a pet bunny rabbit named "Andrew" that He likes to
> >>>> >> torment by spraying vinegar up its nose.
>
> >>>> > At least he's stopped cutting off their ears with roofing snips.
> >>>> He probably decided it was easier to stuff angry hornets
> >>>> in the ear canals if the bunny's ears were left intact.
>
> >>> Freezing them first gives him time to suture the ears together
> >>> under bunny's chin.
>
> >> And time to drop His holy boxers. Screaming bunnies give Jesus wood
> >> that just HAS to be polished.
>
> > Orally...Boxers drop.
>
> A hornet wriggles.
>
> A rabbit squeals.
>
> Jesus moans.
>
> A cat and dog cower under a shed, their eyes glowing and their unseen fur
> quivering in the darkness; bitter enemies fearfully huddle together and
> bond in support as their common foe, the Holy Penis, hardends and rises
> to point skyward.
Be careful. Chung will put you on his demons lsit, and you
wouldn't want that.
Stephen Knight
wrote:
Chung killed somebody with bad advice and now he's psychotically
addicted to the 'forgiveness' of the christian crap. He a scared
mental case looking for a supernatural hug because of his stupidity.
His god never came through no matter how fervent the prayer/spell
casting.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Mu
>> Now you know why Iran has
>> been bold in making statements that it has the means of defeating its
>> enemies if any attempts were made to invade it.
>
> Iran was the sworn enemy of Saddam's Iraq.
> To say that Saddam sent his WMD to Iran is just silly.
> It never happened.
Not all of either Iraq or Iran is resolved against one another. You both
are missing the cleared international picture. The hollow from which all
terror support comes from Saudi Arabia.
Mu
> You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
> leads him in everything he perceives and says, thus putting himself on the
> level of Jesus.
/that would be an incorrect interp of the relationship between the HS
and any Christian.
Russell McDade
"Mu" <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Not all of either Iraq or Iran is resolved against one another. You both
> are missing the cleared international picture. The hollow from which all
> terror support comes from Saudi Arabia.
Agreed.
Mu
>> CIA intelligence was nada on WMDs. Not nada on Hussein having them, nada
>> on that they could not, at the time pre-invasion, find them. How did
>> they know that he had them originally?
>>
>> We gave them to him. Bush, especially Bush Sr. was fully aware of the
>> CIA's pre-war intell *and* Hussein's ownership, he ought to since he was
>> directly involved in the Iran Contra arms for sale and similar
>> under-the-table funding tactics. If you remember, we discussed this at
>> our last Blimpies.
>>
>> They (War Hawks) believed two things. 1) They would find something
>> WMDish (think Oswald and Russian rifle) or 2) they flat didn't care. It
>> was a war they had planned on prior to W's election.
>
> In the Holy Spirit, I know that the Russians gave Saddam advanced
> warning about the U.S. invasion because the number of nuclear weapons
> they had given Iraq would have made the U.S. contribution
> insignificant and this would have embarrassed them greatly. Now those
> nuclear weapons are in Iran.
>
> Andrew <><
I don't doubt that they did anymore than I would doubt that the
Democratic leadership may have well done so. In Iran, wouldn't surprise
me at all. Considering that we propped up the Shah with nuclear
capabilities and have no audit trail on their disposition.
International theatrics are the rule of the day. Enemies is all any
nation-nation relationship ever has, their so-called allies are always
fractioned, as we are. It is a maze of complex interests and the only
thing I can assuredly say is there are relatively few people in the
citizenry who have a clue. A Minority's Minority.
What many in this thread wish to do is to make statements about this or
that regarding the Iraq invasion by America as ipso facto. Having spent
considerable Mu time in them thar regions, what I can report, with much
intell in hand before and after the Mu LZ, is that it is nigh impossible
to tell the thieves from the non-thieves. It's dynamic.
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Pastor Kutchie
>
> Apparently Jesus didn't make him smart enough to notice when somebody
> simply changes their nym.
Well, I'm a demon twice, and at one point one of my nyms was a demon
and the other wasn't! In a past life I've even been killfiled by him,
that was before Bellsouth pulled his NNTP account.
Pastor Kutchie
wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote in messagenews:1169998883.9...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> : neighbor Jude + Alexander wrote:
> : > convicted neighbor "Qadosh Stephanos" wrote:
> : > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> : > >>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8daf1cb790cc92e8?
> : >
> : > You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
> : > leads him in everything he perceives and says
> : Incorrect.
> :
> : It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
> : I say, do, and write.
>
> This mark is the idea of God's perfection. Descartes argues:
>
> 1.. I have an idea of a perfect being (God)
> 2.. In every cause there must be at least as much reality as there is in
> the effect
> 3.. I am imperfect
> 4.. Given that I am imperfect (3) I cannot be responsible for the idea of
> perfection that I hold (1)
> 5.. Therefore, given that every cause must be at least as great as its
> effect (2), whatever caused my idea of perfection (1) must be perfect.
> Therefore a perfect being exists and this is God who created me.
> The reasons behind this argument being put forward (aside from the
> historical context of the time in which Descartes worked) can be seen from
> the placing of this argument in the overall structure of the Meditations. In
> book one Descartes has shown that it is possible to doubt everything
> (demolishing knowledge as it was understood at the time). In book two
> Descartes, as part of his attempts to build a new system of knowledge,
> starts on the foundations, and demonstrates an argument for the existence of
> his mind (the Cogito).
>
> As Descartes is a creationist Christian, before he can move on to proving
> the existence of the objective world he must first prove the existence of
> the creator. This fits with his concept of the cause having at least as much
> reality as the effect. As he follows back the chain of cause and effect
> Descartes ultimately reaches the point of creation and thus the ultimate
> cause. This cause is the most real, he argues, as it has no cause and thus
> cannot be denied or doubted.
>
> Although this argument relies heavily on the thoughts of medieval
> philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas, the clarity of logic of the argument
> must be admired, and indeed this is one of the arguments strongest points.
>
> However the trademark argument can still be attacked. One argument against
> it is that how can an imperfect being have an idea of perfection? Descartes
> could respond to this by pointing out that this was the very argument that
> he used to deduce the existence of God. This attack of the trademark
> argument assumes that having an idea of perfection must make the thinker
> perfect in some way and this is not what Descartes stated.
>
> A more powerful argument against Descartes is that his argument is circular
> in its logic. Descartes relies upon the existence of a perfect being to
> place an idea in his head of a perfect being, which in turn leads to the
> proof of the existence of the perfect being.
>
> The argument from circularity, whilst casting doubt on the logical method of
> Descartes' argument is still not a knockdown refutation.
>
> It could also be argued that Descartes assumes that his idea of perfection
> is itself perfect. If there was a flaw in his idea then surely it could have
> been caused by something less than perfect (for example Descartes himself)
> and thus would not prove the existence of God? In response to this it can be
> argued that an idea that relates purely internally (such as the relationship
> between thinker and meaning) cannot be mistaken (as described in the answer
> to (a)).
>
> Another point of attack may be that the trademark argument implies that
> everyone's ideas of a perfect being must have all come from the same source
> (the perfect being). However, has not history shown us that people in fact
> have very different ideas of a perfect being, and thus the source cannot be
> the same? However, again Descartes could defend his argument. He could argue
> that as ideas are purely internal they could not be communicated and
> compared between people. Another response might be that as our ideas are
> purely internal and it is judgement that relates to the external world we
> could still all have a perfect idea of a perfect being, but have faults in
> our judgement which explain history.
>
> A further attack proposes that it is possible to have other ideas that are
> themselves in some way perfect. For example having an idea of a perfectly
> round circle. The idea cannot be false as is relating to and describing an
> aspect of perfection. However, this idea does not prove the existence of
> anything, but merely demonstrates that it is possible for an imperfect being
> to hold a concept of perfection. If it is possible to hold an idea of a
> perfect circle, but still be imperfect, surely it is possible to hold a
> concept of a perfect being whilst being imperfect, without interference from
> outside the mind?
>
> Again, though, this counter-argument is not a knockdown refutation. The
> arguments and counter arguments appear to boil down to the question of
> whether it is possible to prove that God did or did not give you an idea,
> something which is quite likely impossible to prove.
>
> It would also be possible to attack the argument by attacking some of the
> logical principles of the argument, such as questioning the relationship
> between cause and effect. However, this simply leads to further
> philosophical questions and may form part of an infinite regress.
>
> Lastly, it could be argued that Descartes has not shown how his argument is
> immune from the interference of the malign genius from his first meditation.
> Is it not possible that he could be deceived into believing his logic when
> it may in fact be fatally flawed?
>
> In conclusion to this assessment of the trademark argument for the existence
> of God we can say that it neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.
> However arguments against it cannot disprove the argument, so at the very
> least the argument is a useful and interesting advancement of the
> discussions regarding one of the oldest questions in western philosophy.
>
It may have been once upon a time, but the whole thrust of mankind's
understanding of our world, and the universe has since demonstrated
beyond honest dispute that the universe is many times older than
consciousness is, and that consciousness is a function of an extremely
rare state of organisation of matter known as "life". There is nothing
left in this body of understanding that can sustain the idea that
deities do, or even can exist. It requires either a level of
perversity or an appeal to superstition to argue otherwise.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > warning about the U.S. invasion because the number of nuclear weapons
> > they had given Iraq would have made the U.S. contribution
> > insignificant and this would have embarrassed them greatly. Now those
> > nuclear weapons are in Iran.
> >
> > Andrew <><
>
> I don't doubt that they did anymore than I would doubt that the
> Democratic leadership may have well done so. In Iran, wouldn't surprise
> me at all. Considering that we propped up the Shah with nuclear
> capabilities and have no audit trail on their disposition.
>
> International theatrics are the rule of the day. Enemies is all any
> nation-nation relationship ever has, their so-called allies are always
> fractioned, as we are. It is a maze of complex interests and the only
> thing I can assuredly say is there are relatively few people in the
> citizenry who have a clue. A Minority's Minority.
>
> What many in this thread wish to do is to make statements about this or
> that regarding the Iraq invasion by America as ipso facto. Having spent
> considerable Mu time in them thar regions, what I can report, with much
> intell in hand before and after the Mu LZ, is that it is nigh impossible
> to tell the thieves from the non-thieves. It's dynamic.
Thankfully, GOD remains omniscient.
HIS will be done and not our will.
Amen.
Please continue to pray for all our dear friends and neighbors who
have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>convicted neighbor Jude + Alexander wrote:
>
> > You're dealing with someone who basically claims that the "Holy Spirit"
> > leads him in everything he perceives and says, thus putting himself on the
> > level of Jesus.
>
> /that would be an incorrect interp of the relationship between the HS
> and any Christian.
Let us continue to prayer for our dear friends and neighbors who have
Icarus
> Thankfully, GOD remains omniscient.
>
> HIS will be done and not our will.
So *everything* is God's will?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Thankfully, GOD remains omniscient.
> >
> > HIS will be done and not our will.
>
> So *everything* is God's will?
No.
It remains GOD's infinite and perfect will that souls retain HIS
generous gift of free will.
Please continue to pray for our dear friends and neighbors (especially
Randy aka Pulpitfire and Pastor Dave aka BibleBeliever) who have been
convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Sadly, they both are as blind as ex-pastor Dan Barker:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/blind.asp
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> "Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:45be3a69$0$27109$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1170073932.6...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>>> convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
>>>>>> Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion.
>>>>> I humbly disagree.
>>>> This is not a matter for disagreement but one of unbelief on your
>>>> part.
>>>
>>> So now you're cliaming supernatural beings are telling you about the
>>> location of nuclear weapons.
>>>
>>> Fine - ask these beings WHERE THE NUKES ARE NOW.
>>>
>>> Tell us where the are. If you can't, then you are a FRAUD, Chung.
>>
>> Tell ya sommat, it's very disturbing to think that he's a doctor is
>> actually let lose to treat people
>
> He's probably has some mild shizo tendencies,
Mild?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due
to the absence, from Jerusalem, of a lunatic asylum."
- Havelock Ellis
Mark K. Bilbo
>> > In the Holy Spirit, I know that the Russians gave Saddam advanced
>> > warning about the U.S. invasion because the number of nuclear weapons
>> > they had given Iraq would have made the U.S. contribution
>> > insignificant and this would have embarrassed them greatly. Now those
>> > nuclear weapons are in Iran.
You're insane.
(No surprise there)
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
Icarus
> Icarus wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> Thankfully, GOD remains omniscient.
>>>
>>> HIS will be done and not our will.
>>
>> So *everything* is God's will?
>
> No.
>
> It remains GOD's infinite and perfect will that souls retain HIS
> generous gift of free will.
So, when I do something, is it my will or his? Or both?
Kurt Gavin
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:49:39 +0000, Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
>>
>> "Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:45be3a69$0$27109$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1170073932.6...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> convicted neighbor Russell McDade wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, in the Holy Spirit, I know that there were nuclear weapons in
>>>>>>> Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion.
>>>>>> I humbly disagree.
>>>>> This is not a matter for disagreement but one of unbelief on your
>>>>> part.
>>>>
>>>> So now you're cliaming supernatural beings are telling you about the
>>>> location of nuclear weapons.
>>>>
>>>> Fine - ask these beings WHERE THE NUKES ARE NOW.
>>>>
>>>> Tell us where the are. If you can't, then you are a FRAUD, Chung.
>>>
>>> Tell ya sommat, it's very disturbing to think that he's a doctor is
>>> actually let lose to treat people
>>
>> He's probably has some mild shizo tendencies,
>
> Mild?
When he's full blown, he'll be wandering the streets, talking to himself,
wearing soiled clothing. He won't be functional enough for usenet.
Actually, a lot of the shit we find in religion probably originated from
mild shizos thousands of years ago.
These dysfunctionals would have lived on the outskirts of villages, thought
they were receiving message from supernatural beings, and been fed by scraps
from the villagers.
When they gave forth messages the villagers liked, they would have received
more scraps, and therefore would have been "Pavloved" into conjuring up
messages people liked. That's how "religion" developed. The ones that gave
messages and behavior people didn't like got beaten and killed.
Maybe chunkers IS a holy man ;-)))))
Kurt Gavin
> friend Mu wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
This is chung conversing with himself (mu).
The following passage describes the practice of sex slavery, which is ok by
"god"- he sets forth rules for it.
How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not
please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.
But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who
broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her
to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must
treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another
wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as
his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free
woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
<stool snip>
Kurt Gavin
Kurt Gavin
Father Haskell
wrote:
>
> Please continue to pray for our dear friends and neighbors (especially
> Randy aka Pulpitfire and Pastor Dave aka BibleBeliever) who have been
> convicted by the Holy Spirit:
You didn't say _who_. I guess that means I can
pray to Satan.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > neighbor Icarus wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thankfully, GOD remains omniscient.
> >>>
> >>> HIS will be done and not our will.
> >>
> >> So *everything* is God's will?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > It remains GOD's infinite and perfect will that souls retain HIS
> > generous gift of free will.
>
> So, when I do something, is it my will or his?
Your thought is the product of your free will, which GOD has
generously given you.
The actuation of your thought depends on GOD's will.
Nothing happens without GOD either allowing it or causing it.
GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, is the Author of all reality.
> Or both?
See above.
Please continue to pray for our dear friends and neighbors (especially
Randy and Dave) who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Randy and Dave continue to remind me of ex-pastor Dan Barker:
Father Haskell
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
> Nothing happens without GOD either allowing it or causing it.
>
> GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, is the Author of all reality.
So, does god allow or cause free-range psychotics to
mutilate flamingoes with lopping shears?
Icarus
>>>>> Thankfully, GOD remains omniscient.
>>>>>
>>>>> HIS will be done and not our will.
>>>>
>>>> So *everything* is God's will?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> It remains GOD's infinite and perfect will that souls retain HIS
>>> generous gift of free will.
>>
>> So, when I do something, is it my will or his?
>
> Your thought is the product of your free will, which GOD has
> generously given you.
>
> The actuation of your thought depends on GOD's will.
>
> Nothing happens without GOD either allowing it or causing it.
Are you comfortable with what your god allows or causes - torture, rape,
murder, child molesting etc - every atrocity that has ever occurred in all
of human history?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
In the Holy Spirit, I know that the blame for every atrocity that has
ever occurred and will continue to occur in all human history resides
squarely on our shoulders for unwisely choosing to pit our free
imperfect wills against HIS infinite and perfect will from the very
beginning. The latter choice is sin. Sin entered into this world
through humans thereby causing the world to be accursed with satan
wandering upon it to and fro doing evil.
This world is hell of our own making after accepting satan's
deception.
Christ Jesus came here to rescue us from this hell.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
May you wisely choose to surrender and follow HIM out of hell:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay