Diabetes and Stress?
Kumar
It is indicative that excessive stress can cause increase in blood
glucose levels, weight gain, central obesity etc. Probably, it may be a
reson to getting VAT's mediated insulin resistance.
"Cushing's disease
When ACTH is secreted by the pituitary gland, the adrenal glands
release cortisol. In Cushing's disease, there is too much ACTH, which
leads to an excess release of cortisol. This hormone, normally released
during *stressful situations, controls the body's use of carbohydrates,
fats, and proteins and also plays a role in suppressing the body's
response to inflammation.
Symptoms
Moon face (round, red, and full)
Buffalo hump (a collection of fat on the back of the neck)
*Central obesity with protruding abdomen and thin extremities
*Weight gain
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000348.htm
Cushing's syndrome
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000410.htm "
Increase in blood glucose level is also related to "stress hormones and
sympasthetic nervous system stimulations.
Previously, such stimulation were in some emergency stiuation of "fight
or flight" or with day time activities but currently, we are bound to
get too much stresses chronically by adopting modern lifestyle and
living in big crowded and polluted cities with noise, over exposure to
light, late night sleep, crowding, excessive strange/polluting
suspended particles in air and pathogenic substances, increased
desires/needs etc. somewhat-- lesser stimulation to "parasympathetic
system". All these may cause persisting secretions of "stress hormones"
resulting into greater VAT, weight gain, changes in appetite and
persisting hyperglycemia or insulin resistance.
Balancing atonomic system or Relaxation or stimulation of
"parasympathetic system" may be related to better control of glucose
levels, appetite control, obesity etc...somewhat oppositite effects to
sympathetic system's stimultions. As such,
Can it be possible that one major reason or responsible factor to
getting greater visceral adiposity(VAT), persisting hyperglycemia and
insulin resistance in diabetic type2 people, and other diseases, poped
up recently at epidemic level, are related to man-made environmental
and lifestyle based stresses in modern big and crowded cities?
[Personally, I experiance
Best wishes.
Lynda
from a personal point of view, I have had a lot of stress for the past few
years. Now type 2 diabetes, digestive probs, panic attacks..............
Lyn
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
In truth, without overeating, VAT simply does not happen.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
kumar
Lynda wrote:
> Personally, I say yes - stress is messing up our normal metabolism. I speak
> from a personal point of view, I have had a lot of stress for the past few
> years. Now type 2 diabetes, digestive probs, panic attacks..............
>
> Lyn
Personally, I experiance persistent hyperglycemia when at home which is
in a big, crowded and polluted city but do get much relief, when in
remote green, stressfree area even with less medication and more food.
I therefore feel, stress is main culprit to my persistent hyperglycemia
instead of so many other indications. It looks, there may be a
limit/quota to "stress accumulation", if exausted and not compensated
by relaxation/stress management techniques or by reducing stresses
caused by overeating/VAT, it may be difficult to control glucose levels
consistently esp. till then, when I am insulin resistant inspite there
is normal secration of it.
Kumar
due to overeating/greater VAT , Whereas chronic stress or personality
trait can be a reason to VAT, overeating,IR etc. Read;
"While acute stress actually improves our brain's attention and
increases our capacity to store important and life-protecting
information, for example, a source of danger, chronic stress dampens
our ability to keep track of information and places. Chronic stress
does this by impairing excitability of nerve cells and by promoting
atrophy of nerve cells in the hippocampus, a region of the brain that
is important for spatial and verbal memory.
For the immune system, which is controlled by the nervous system and by
circulating hormones, chronic stress suppresses the ability of the
immune system to do its job. This, once again, is in contrast to acute
stress. Acute stress actually helps the immune system handle a pathogen
by causing immune cells to move out of the bloodstream and into tissues
where they are needed. Chronic stress, however, impairs not only the
ability of the immune system to relocate immune cells but also the
ability of those cells to do their job of recognizing and responding to
the pathogenic agent.
http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/articles/behavior/stress_3/ "
Some immune cells are also long lived so can become tolerant to chronic
secration of stress hormones, but nerve cells, if effected, can also be
somewhat chronic effect. Other/Taget cells to insulin, adipose tissues
are short lived. We may occasionally get those fresh and healthy from
our stem cells.
sherr...@gmail.com
Giving heart attack survivors stem cells from their own bone marrow did
little to repair their damaged hearts, according to the three best
studies to date of this controversial therapy.
Stem cells are blank slates that have the potential to become heart
cells or other types of specialized cells. Scientists do not know
whether those found in adults have the same potential to specialize as
those from embryos.
In each study, stem cells were infused into the heart through a cardiac
catheterization. A tiny balloon momentarily blocked regular blood flow
into the heart and stem cells were injected in an attempt to give them
a couple of minutes to try to take root.
I got this information from
http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/Health-news/9-21heart-attack-aid.htm
They seem to have detail on the study. Let me know if it is helpful.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It is a choice.
It is wiser to simply choose to eat less:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kimar whom I love unconditionally.
lordsh...@rediffmail.com
You can take it as effect from brain/nervous system's changes.
Yes, if appropriate reduce stress if not add to stress..
Can different stress homones be related to different type of stresses
and to different reasons to persisting hyperglycemia/IR? Probably,
cortisol related to VAT's mediated hyperglycemia.
"The organs (the "viscera") of our body, such as the heart, stomach and
intestines, are regulated by a part of
thttp://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/auto.htmlhe nervous system
called the autonomic nervous system (ANS).
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/auto.html "
Can't viscera, visceral adiposity, visceral pain, autonomic nervous
system, chronic stress, persisting hyperglycemia be related to each
other till beta cells are normal?
Kumar
the presence of insulin resistance.
Cohn GS, Kittleson MM, Blumenthal RS.
Boca Raton Community Hospital, Boca Raton, FL 33486, USA.
abe...@bellsouth.net
A substantial portion of the population of the United States has the
Metabolic Syndrome, a condition that greatly increases risk for
cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Insulin resistance, and the
resulting compensatory hyperinsulinemia, is the principal
pathophysiologic abnormality underlying the majority of these cases.
Based on the most recent recommendations of the National Cholesterol
Education Panel, such patients can be identified by the presence of
three or more of the following traits: impaired fasting glucose,
abdominal obesity, hypertension, elevated levels of triglycerides, and
low concentrations of HDL-cholesterol. However, a significant number of
insulin resistant (and thus high risk) individuals will not be
identified using these criteria. This discrepancy occurs because
insulin resistance is a continuous variable, without an absolute
cut-off between normal and abnormal, and those fitting the definition
are the most insulin resistant. Moreover, easily applicable testing to
diagnose insulin resistance accurately in the general population is
currently not feasible. It is therefore necessary to broaden the
criteria that define the metabolic syndrome to include other conditions
associated with the presence of insulin resistance. Such conditions
include the following: a family history of type 2 diabetes or coronary
artery disease in first- or **second-degree relatives, signs of an over
active sympathetic nervous system, and elevated concentrations of uric
acid. By recognizing these "other conditions," appropriate lifestyle
changes and medication can be recommended to help prevent
cardiovascular disease and diabetes from developing in these high-risk
patients.**
[
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16109324&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
]
Diet-induced changes in sympathetic nervous system activity: possible
implications for obesity and hypertension.
Young JB, Landsberg L.
The sympathetic nervous system responds to changes in caloric intake;
caloric restriction decreases and carbohydrate administration increases
sympathetic nervous system activity in animals and man. Insulin may be
a major link between changes in dietary intake and changes in central
sympathetic outflow. Caloric restriction reduces, and carbohydrate
administration increases blood pressure in spontaneously hypertensive
rats, changes consistent with a primary effect of caloric intake on
sympathetic nervous system activity. Stimulation of the sympathetic
nervous system by overfeeding may contribute to the development and
maintenance of hypertension in biologically-predisposed animals and
man. The association of obesity and hypertension may reflect chronic
overfeeding, although diet-induced changes in sympathetic nervous
system activity may affect blood pressure in non-obese individuals as
well.
[
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6816809&dopt=Abstract
] "
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No.
Choice arises from the free will that GOD has generously given all
souls including those belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20).
Without exception when there is VAT to lose.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
kumar
Ok, pls tell, whether VAT can cause damages to viscera/organs somewhat
alike fatty degenaration or fatty changes? If yes, how
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
<snip>
> > > > It is wiser to simply choose to eat less:
> > >
> > > Yes, if appropriate reduce stress if not add to stress..
> >
> > Without exception when there is VAT to lose.
>
> Ok, pls tell, whether VAT can cause damages to viscera/organs somewhat
> alike fatty degenaration or fatty changes? If yes, how
No.
The harm that VAT causes has been described earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e352da8faa245013?
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > lordsh...@rediffmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > > > It is wiser to simply choose to eat less:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, if appropriate reduce stress if not add to stress..
> > >
> > > Without exception when there is VAT to lose.
> >
> > Ok, pls tell, whether VAT can cause damages to viscera/organs somewhat
> > alike fatty degenaration or fatty changes? If yes, how
>
> No.
>
> The harm that VAT causes has been described earlier:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e352da8faa245013?
I shall read.
However, whether excessive VAT and SAT are attacked by free radicals or
otherwise to oxidise or to catabolize these to maintain homeostatis, as
a normal body mechanism?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > lordsh...@rediffmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > > > It is wiser to simply choose to eat less:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, if appropriate reduce stress if not add to stress..
> > > >
> > > > Without exception when there is VAT to lose.
> > >
> > > Ok, pls tell, whether VAT can cause damages to viscera/organs somewhat
> > > alike fatty degenaration or fatty changes? If yes, how
> >
> > No.
> >
> > The harm that VAT causes has been described earlier:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e352da8faa245013?
>
> I shall read.
>
> However, whether excessive VAT and SAT are attacked by free radicals or
> otherwise to oxidise or to catabolize these to maintain homeostatis, as
> a normal body mechanism?
The free radicals are generated by the inflammatory cells within the
circulation and in the atherosclerotic plaques when there are
inflammatory cytokines and so the damage is occurring by the
modification of circulating lipoproteins into more atherogenic forms.
This is especially the case when there are other substances present
that accelerate the modification. One example would be hyperketonemia.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar.
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
There is no controlling the VAT because it is completely pathological
analogous to a tumor. We would cut it out if we could.
Thankfully, eating less down to the right amount gets rid of the VAT:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
kumar
Surprising. Pls tell me more about it, if there.
> Thankfully, eating less down to the right amount gets rid of the VAT:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Should not be surprising because it arises from overeating.
It should also make sense that what arises from overeating will
disappear in time when the overeating stops.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Kumar
Thanks.
However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
Do read:-
"Also, many of our modern stressful circumstances, unlike most physical
threats, tend to be prolonged. Consequently, you may be running on the
fight-or-flight reaction longer than it's intended to operate. What's
good for your body in a short-term crisis can be very harmful over long
periods.
The long-term activation of the stress-response system - and the
subsequent overexposure to cortisol and other stress hormones - can
disrupt almost all your body's processes, increasing your risk of
obesity, insomnia, digestive problems, heart disease, depression,
memory impairment, physical illnesses and other complications.
Digestive system
It's common to have a stomachache or diarrhea when you're stressed.
This happens because stress hormones slow the release of stomach acid
and the emptying of the stomach. **The same hormones also stimulate the
colon, which speeds the passage of its contents. Chronic
hormone-induced changes can increase your appetite and put you at risk
of weight gain.**
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stress/SR00001
Increase in appetite is also indicated due to hyperthyroidism and
action of Lateral hypothylmus.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Thanks be to GOD.
> However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
Depends on one's personality.
kumar
Whether diabetic2 with hyperglycemia take/fell stress more than normal
person?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No. Again, tolerating stress depends more on personality rather than
on either blood glucose level or having type-2 diabetes.
kumar
effects?
How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
levels?
How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
habits?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
That depends on GOD's infinite will and plan.
> How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
> levels?
No effect by itself.
> How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> habits?
For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
> > > > > Thanks be to GOD.
> > > > >
> > > > > > However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on one's personality.
> > > >
> > > > Whether diabetic2 with hyperglycemia take/fell stress more than normal
> > > > person?
> > >
> > > No. Again, tolerating stress depends more on personality rather than
> > > on either blood glucose level or having type-2 diabetes.
> >
> > Can't there be excessive or less stress mediating expression of stress
> > effects?
>
> That depends on GOD's infinite will and plan.
> > How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
> > levels?
>
> No effect by itself.
How can you express persisting anxiety relation/effects with glucose
levels?
> > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > habits?
>
> For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible. Can
overeating be related to VAT/IR?
Kumar
kumar wrote:
Can more and more fatty deposits created in the arteries and blood
vessels or in tissues be replaced for VAT?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks be to GOD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Depends on one's personality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether diabetic2 with hyperglycemia take/fell stress more than normal
> > > > > person?
> > > >
> > > > No. Again, tolerating stress depends more on personality rather than
> > > > on either blood glucose level or having type-2 diabetes.
> > >
> > > Can't there be excessive or less stress mediating expression of stress
> > > effects?
> >
> > That depends on GOD's infinite will and plan.
> > > How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
> > > levels?
> >
> > No effect by itself.
>
> How can you express persisting anxiety relation/effects with glucose
> levels?
As an explanation of elevation of fasting blood glucose levels in
someone with insulin resistance.
> > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > habits?
> >
> > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
>
> It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible.
Not when folks are not aware of either how much they are eating and/or
the optimal daily amount.
> Can overeating be related to VAT/IR?
Overeating causes the formation of VAT which in turn causes IR.
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks be to GOD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Depends on one's personality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether diabetic2 with hyperglycemia take/fell stress more than normal
> > > > > > person?
> > > > >
> > > > > No. Again, tolerating stress depends more on personality rather than
> > > > > on either blood glucose level or having type-2 diabetes.
> > > >
> > > > Can't there be excessive or less stress mediating expression of stress
> > > > effects?
> > >
> > > That depends on GOD's infinite will and plan.
> > > > How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
> > > > levels?
> > >
> > > No effect by itself.
> >
> > How can you express persisting anxiety relation/effects with glucose
> > levels?
>
> As an explanation of elevation of fasting blood glucose levels in
> someone with insulin resistance.
with IR?
> > > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > > habits?
> > >
> > > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
> >
> > It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible.
>
> Not when folks are not aware of either how much they are eating and/or
> the optimal daily amount.
>
> > Can overeating be related to VAT/IR?
>
> Overeating causes the formation of VAT which in turn causes IR.
Can more and more fatty deposits created in the arteries and blood
vessels or in tissues be replaced for VAT?
Kumar
Ros wrote:
> jUST hOW many times are you going to ask the SAME questions, Kumar?
>
> Ros
Yes, that was repeating. But most of my questions are with some
variations or repeated due to changed stiuation...to enhance meaning
and to relate with current discussions.
However sorry if you get bored.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks be to GOD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Depends on one's personality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether diabetic2 with hyperglycemia take/fell stress more than normal
> > > > > > person?
> > > > >
> > > > > No. Again, tolerating stress depends more on personality rather than
> > > > > on either blood glucose level or having type-2 diabetes.
> > > >
> > > > Can't there be excessive or less stress mediating expression of stress
> > > > effects?
> > >
> > > That depends on GOD's infinite will and plan.
> > > > How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
> > > > levels?
> > >
> > > No effect by itself.
> >
> > How can you express persisting anxiety relation/effects with glucose
> > levels?
> >
> > > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > > habits?
> > >
> > > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
> > It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible. Can
> > overeating be related to VAT/IR?
> >
Kumar is not alone in his disbelief.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I love
Ros
That's ok. It's probably true that I do get bored because I can't
understand much of it. Do you think you could ask all the questions
in one go?
Ros
Hoping this doesn't sound too rude.
kumar
Nothing rude. I also get bored when either don't follow whole topic or
not intrested on that subject. I can ask most questions in one go but
replies may not satisfy me in one go.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thanks be to GOD.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However, both loss and increase in appetite is indicated due to stress.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Depends on one's personality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whether diabetic2 with hyperglycemia take/fell stress more than normal
> > > > > > > person?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. Again, tolerating stress depends more on personality rather than
> > > > > > on either blood glucose level or having type-2 diabetes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can't there be excessive or less stress mediating expression of stress
> > > > > effects?
> > > >
> > > > That depends on GOD's infinite will and plan.
> > > > > How can you express chronic stress relation/effects with glucose
> > > > > levels?
> > > >
> > > > No effect by itself.
> > >
> > > How can you express persisting anxiety relation/effects with glucose
> > > levels?
> >
> > As an explanation of elevation of fasting blood glucose levels in
> > someone with insulin resistance.
>
> Means, persisting anxiety can elevate fasting glucose levels in people
> with IR?
Yes, if they are starting to have beta islet cell unsufficiency.
> > > > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > > > habits?
> > > >
> > > > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
> > >
> > > It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible.
> >
> > Not when folks are not aware of either how much they are eating and/or
> > the optimal daily amount.
> >
> > > Can overeating be related to VAT/IR?
> >
> > Overeating causes the formation of VAT which in turn causes IR.
>
> Can more and more fatty deposits created in the arteries and blood
> vessels or in tissues be replaced for VAT?
Atherosclerotic plaques are intraluminal (inside blood vessels) and the
product of inflammation.
VAT is extraluminal (existing outside of blood vessels) and though it
is the source of inflammatory cytokines that start the cascade of
vascular inflammation leading to atherosclerosis, they are not the
product of inflammation as are the atherosclerotic plaques.
kumar
What cause beta cells unsufficiency or damage?
> > > > > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > > > > habits?
> > > > >
> > > > > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
> > > >
> > > > It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible.
> > >
> > > Not when folks are not aware of either how much they are eating and/or
> > > the optimal daily amount.
> > >
> > > > Can overeating be related to VAT/IR?
> > >
> > > Overeating causes the formation of VAT which in turn causes IR.
> >
> > Can more and more fatty deposits created in the arteries and blood
> > vessels or in tissues be replaced for VAT?
>
> Atherosclerotic plaques are intraluminal (inside blood vessels) and the
> product of inflammation.
> VAT is extraluminal (existing outside of blood vessels) and though it
> is the source of inflammatory cytokines that start the cascade of
> vascular inflammation leading to atherosclerosis, they are not the
> product of inflammation as are the atherosclerotic plaques.
Are fatty deposits, fatty changes or fatty degenarations different? Is
there any purpose of getting these?
How hyperglycemia causes neuropathy?
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Ros wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > jUST hOW many times are you going to ask the SAME questions, Kumar?
>
> Kumar is not alone in his disbelief.
It is always beneficial to be skeptic and belive with understanding
esp. in life threatning issues rather than to keep blind faith on
always changing theories.
"It is thought;constipation can be caused by stress but stress can also
be a symptom of constipation.
Direct Effects of Stress and Constipation
The nervous system is very sensitive to stress. Constipation may be a
direct result of changes in the nervous system during stress."
Normal bowel movements are a result of complicated nervous system
signals. Too much stress can cause an interruption of these signals
that will affect many parts of the digestive tract. It can slow the
intestinal movements that result in bowel movements."
In view of this; how constipation or unclear motions AND diarrhea or
clear motions are related to glucose levels in diabetic patients?
How hyperglycemia can effects blood flow changes in view of its lesser
concentration in blood in comparisn to lipids and protiens?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The cascade of systemic inflammation driven by inflammatory cytokines
from VAT.
> > > > > > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > > > > > habits?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible.
> > > >
> > > > Not when folks are not aware of either how much they are eating and/or
> > > > the optimal daily amount.
> > > >
> > > > > Can overeating be related to VAT/IR?
> > > >
> > > > Overeating causes the formation of VAT which in turn causes IR.
> > >
> > > Can more and more fatty deposits created in the arteries and blood
> > > vessels or in tissues be replaced for VAT?
> >
> > Atherosclerotic plaques are intraluminal (inside blood vessels) and the
> > product of inflammation.
>
> > VAT is extraluminal (existing outside of blood vessels) and though it
> > is the source of inflammatory cytokines that start the cascade of
> > vascular inflammation leading to atherosclerosis, they are not the
> > product of inflammation as are the atherosclerotic plaques.
>
> Are fatty deposits, fatty changes or fatty degenarations different?
Yes.
> Is there any purpose of getting these?
No. They are pathological.
> How hyperglycemia causes neuropathy?
By glycosylating proteins essential for normal nerve conduction.
kumar
Iron is said to be related to beta cells damages. How it can be related
to systemic inflammation driven by inflammatory cytokines from VAT?
> > > > > > > > How can you differenciate diabetic2 with overeating and normal eating
> > > > > > > > habits?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For many overeating is "normal" so that is no differentiation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is for many not for all, so differentiation can be possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not when folks are not aware of either how much they are eating and/or
> > > > > the optimal daily amount.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can overeating be related to VAT/IR?
> > > > >
> > > > > Overeating causes the formation of VAT which in turn causes IR.
> > > >
> > > > Can more and more fatty deposits created in the arteries and blood
> > > > vessels or in tissues be replaced for VAT?
> > >
> > > Atherosclerotic plaques are intraluminal (inside blood vessels) and the
> > > product of inflammation.
> >
> > > VAT is extraluminal (existing outside of blood vessels) and though it
> > > is the source of inflammatory cytokines that start the cascade of
> > > vascular inflammation leading to atherosclerosis, they are not the
> > > product of inflammation as are the atherosclerotic plaques.
> >
> > Are fatty deposits, fatty changes or fatty degenarations different?
>
> Yes.
How these occurs in diabetes?
> > Is there any purpose of getting these?
>
> No. They are pathological.
>
> > How hyperglycemia causes neuropathy?
>
> By glycosylating proteins essential for normal nerve conduction.
Whether changes in blood flow are also related to getting diabetic
neuropathy?
Whether diabetic neuropathy is more common on parts where stress
hormones have their effect?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The same way as in non-diabetics... via inflammation and lipid
peroxidation.
> > > Is there any purpose of getting these?
> >
> > No. They are pathological.
> >
> > > How hyperglycemia causes neuropathy?
> >
> > By glycosylating proteins essential for normal nerve conduction.
>
> Whether changes in blood flow are also related to getting diabetic
> neuropathy?
No.
> Whether diabetic neuropathy is more common on parts where stress
> hormones have their effect?
No. They happen in the most vulnerable nerves first. These are the
longest thinnest ones.
kumar
How glycosylating proteins effect exrta-vascularily?
> > Whether changes in blood flow are also related to getting diabetic
> > neuropathy?
>
> No.
>
> > Whether diabetic neuropathy is more common on parts where stress
> > hormones have their effect?
>
> No. They happen in the most vulnerable nerves first. These are the
> longest thinnest ones.
Whether blood flow is effected due to diabetic neuropathy?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Causes pathology.
> > > Whether changes in blood flow are also related to getting diabetic
> > > neuropathy?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > Whether diabetic neuropathy is more common on parts where stress
> > > hormones have their effect?
> >
> > No. They happen in the most vulnerable nerves first. These are the
> > longest thinnest ones.
>
> Whether blood flow is effected due to diabetic neuropathy?
Autonomic regulation of blood flow is disrupted.
kumar
cause pathology?
Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> > > > Whether changes in blood flow are also related to getting diabetic
> > > > neuropathy?
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > > Whether diabetic neuropathy is more common on parts where stress
> > > > hormones have their effect?
> > >
> > > No. They happen in the most vulnerable nerves first. These are the
> > > longest thinnest ones.
> >
> > Whether blood flow is effected due to diabetic neuropathy?
>
> Autonomic regulation of blood flow is disrupted.
"Vascular and neural diseases are closely related and intertwined.
Blood vessels depend on normal nerve function, and nerves depend on
adequate blood flow. The first pathological change in the
microvasculature is vasoconstriction. As the disease progresses,
neuronal dysfunction correlates closely with the development of
vascular abnormalities, such as capillary basement membrane thickening
and endothelial hyperplasia, which contribute to diminished oxygen
tension and hypoxia. Neuronal ischemia is a well-established
characteristic of diabetic neuropathy. Vasodilator agents (e.g.,
angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, a1-antagonists) can lead to
substantial improvements in neuronal blood flow, with corresponding
improvements in nerve conduction velocities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetic_neuropathy "
Blood flow changes and many other reasons are indicated on above link
for getting DN?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It is the structural proteins that when glycosylated results in
pathology.
> Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
> > > > > Whether changes in blood flow are also related to getting diabetic
> > > > > neuropathy?
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > > Whether diabetic neuropathy is more common on parts where stress
> > > > > hormones have their effect?
> > > >
> > > > No. They happen in the most vulnerable nerves first. These are the
> > > > longest thinnest ones.
> > >
> > > Whether blood flow is effected due to diabetic neuropathy?
> >
> > Autonomic regulation of blood flow is disrupted.
>
> "Vascular and neural diseases are closely related and intertwined.
> Blood vessels depend on normal nerve function, and nerves depend on
> adequate blood flow. The first pathological change in the
> microvasculature is vasoconstriction. As the disease progresses,
> neuronal dysfunction correlates closely with the development of
> vascular abnormalities, such as capillary basement membrane thickening
> and endothelial hyperplasia, which contribute to diminished oxygen
> tension and hypoxia. Neuronal ischemia is a well-established
> characteristic of diabetic neuropathy. Vasodilator agents (e.g.,
> angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, a1-antagonists) can lead to
> substantial improvements in neuronal blood flow, with corresponding
> improvements in nerve conduction velocities.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetic_neuropathy "
>
> Blood flow changes and many other reasons are indicated on above link
> for getting DN?
Changes in nerve conduction velocities follow blood glucose levels more
closely than blood flow changes.
kumar
Pls tell me more how plasma protiens, when glycisylated, can effect
tissues extravascularily?
> > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
>
> Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
How blood glucose levels can effect nerves? Can it effect if excessive
glucose moves in interstitial compartments?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Structural proteins are not soluble proteins floating around in the
plasma.
> > > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> >
> > Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> > process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
> Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
> Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
What we measure is glycosylation. We infer higher rates of
non-catalyzed reactions with higher rates of catalyzed ones.
High levels are toxic.
> Can it effect if excessive
> glucose moves in interstitial compartments?
Glucose moves freely into interstitial compartments by diffusion.
kumar
How then glycation of structural protiens occur?
> > > > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > > > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> > >
> > > Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> > > process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
>
> > Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
> > Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
>
> What we measure is glycosylation. We infer higher rates of
> non-catalyzed reactions with higher rates of catalyzed ones.
What should it be in actual?
Is it high level of glucose in blood or in tissues which is toxic to
nerves?
> > Can it effect if excessive
> > glucose moves in interstitial compartments?
>
> Glucose moves freely into interstitial compartments by diffusion.
On hyperglycemia, will such higher glucose movement into interstitial
compartments by diffusion be toxic to cells and nerve cells?
Btw, if diabeic use galactose as sweatner, will it raise glucose levels
or do any other harm?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cells bathe in interstitial fluid and when the glucose concentration is
excessive, there structural proteins become altered abnormally.
> > > > > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > > > > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> > > >
> > > > Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> > > > process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
> >
> > > Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
> > > Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
> >
> > What we measure is glycosylation. We infer higher rates of
> > non-catalyzed reactions with higher rates of catalyzed ones.
> What should it be in actual?
Minimal when blood glucose levels are well controlled in the normal
physiological range.
High blood levels drives high tissue levels.
> > > Can it effect if excessive
> > > glucose moves in interstitial compartments?
> >
> > Glucose moves freely into interstitial compartments by diffusion.
>
> On hyperglycemia, will such higher glucose movement into interstitial
> compartments by diffusion be toxic to cells and nerve cells?
Again, high blood levels results in high tissue levels.
> Btw, if diabeic use galactose as sweatner, will it raise glucose levels
> or do any other harm?
It would be wiser to not use any sweetener and instead befriend your
sugar cravings which is simply your healthy appetite.
Kumar
Whether/can body mechanisms restrict excess glucose on hyperglycemia to
go into interstitial compartment from blood?
> > > > > > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > > > > > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> > > > > process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
> > >
> > > > Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
> > > > Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
> > >
> > > What we measure is glycosylation. We infer higher rates of
> > > non-catalyzed reactions with higher rates of catalyzed ones.
>
> > What should it be in actual?
I meant, what should be the actual name glycated or glycosylated?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Whether/can body mechanisms restrict excess glucose on hyperglycemia to
> go into interstitial compartment from blood?
No.
> > > > > > > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > > > > > > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> > > > > > process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
> > > >
> > > > > Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
> > > > > Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
> > > >
> > > > What we measure is glycosylation. We infer higher rates of
> > > > non-catalyzed reactions with higher rates of catalyzed ones.
> >
> > > What should it be in actual?
> I meant, what should be the actual name glycated or glycosylated?
These are interchangeable because it is the latter that is actually
measured.
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > How then glycation of structural protiens occur?
> > >
> > > Cells bathe in interstitial fluid and when the glucose concentration is
> > > excessive, their structural proteins become altered abnormally.
> >
> > Whether/can body mechanisms restrict excess glucose on hyperglycemia to
> > go into interstitial compartment from blood?
>
> No.
>
> > > > > > > > Btw, is it glycosylating proteins or glycalated protiens due or high
> > > > > > > > glucose.Glycosylation is enzymatic process and site specific.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Abnormally high levels of glucose for prolonged periods drives the
> > > > > > > process to become more non-enzymatic and non-specific.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shouldn't then it be called as glycalation instead of glycosylation?
> > > > > > Glycosylation can be thought as a body's mediated process.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we measure is glycosylation. We infer higher rates of
> > > > > non-catalyzed reactions with higher rates of catalyzed ones.
> > >
> > > > What should it be in actual?
> > I meant, what should be the actual name glycated or glycosylated?
>
> These are interchangeable because it is the latter that is actually
> measured.
mechanism. Whereas glycation is not these. Hyperglycemia is commonly
not body's oriented condition. Should then glycosylated be not glycated
in dabetes?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
When substrate concentrations are very high, the specificity of
enzyme-catalyzed reactions is often lost.
kumar
Btw, whether intellegency is lost when a person under previous
sympathetic system's influence truned to para-sympathetic influence?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry you are not able to understand. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Btw, whether intellegency is lost when a person under previous
> sympathetic system's influence truned to para-sympathetic influence?
Intelligence is not moderated by the autonomic nervous system.
kumar
Whether intelligence can be needed for "fight or flight"?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Intelligence is not needed for either fight or flight.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
kumar
system, that is, one that operates without the intervention of
conscious thought. Some evolutionary theorists suggest that the
sympathetic nervous system operated in early organisms to maintain
survival (Origins of Consciousness, Robert Ornstein[citation needed];
et al.), as the sympathetic nervous system is responsible for priming
the body for action. One example of this priming is in the moments
before waking, in which sympathetic outflow spontaneously increases in
preparation for action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_nervous_system "
It looks, intelligence is required for fight or flight i.e somewhat to
earn and eat or to bring body into action. Rest and digest may not need
intellegence.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
A scorpian is capable of either fight or flight response...
... how much intelligence do you believe it has ?
kumar
Intelligence is interpreted as;
"Intelligence is a property of mind that encompasses many related
mental abilities, such as the capacities to reason, plan, *solve
problems, think abstractly, comprehend ideas and language, and learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_(trait) "
Pls evaulate if"fight and flight" ..to fight or to flight" any problem
need intelligence or not?
Btw, what *CRP 8mg/L*, normal lipid profile, normal renal profile,
normal iron studies normal cortisol level, normal CBC, high blood
glucose and high urine glucose levels, no ketone in urine.. idicates?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Neither fight nor flight require either reasoning or planning.
> Btw, what *CRP 8mg/L*, normal lipid profile, normal renal profile,
> normal iron studies normal cortisol level, normal CBC, high blood
> glucose and high urine glucose levels, no ketone in urine.. idicates?
Poorly controlled type-2 diabetes if this is a fasting blood draw..
kumar
Yes fasting readings. BP remains normal. What does CRP so high, mean in
this case?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lots of visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
Kumar
**Many thanks. By now, I could't notice anything as some other people
interpret. You just indicate/guide in gentle way but most specific/easy
soloution as not to tense one in need or otherwise harm himself, which
is best needed. May GOD continuing blessing you for your helping,
blessing and religious nature.**
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Yes fasting readings. BP remains normal. What does CRP so high, mean in
> > > this case?
> >
> > Lots of visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> **Many thanks.
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.
> By now, I could't notice anything as some other people
> interpret. You just indicate/guide in gentle way but most specific/easy
> soloution as not to tense one in need or otherwise harm himself, which
> is best needed.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is simple.
However, overcoming the brainwashing that results in fear of hunger is
difficult.
> May GOD continuing blessing you for your helping,
> blessing and religious nature.**
May thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for your kind heart.
May GOD continue to heal your kind heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > kumar wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > Yes fasting readings. BP remains normal. What does CRP so high, mean in
> > > > this case?
> > >
> > > Lots of visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
> > >
> > > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> > > neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> > **Many thanks.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> soul, mind, and strength.
>
> > By now, I could't notice anything as some other people
> > interpret. You just indicate/guide in gentle way but most specific/easy
> > soloution as not to tense one in need or otherwise harm himself, which
> > is best needed.
>
> The 2PD-OMER Approach is simple.
Yes.
> However, overcoming the brainwashing that results in fear of hunger is
> difficult.
Yes, but I think It can achieved though slowly by befriending with
hunger.
Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
parts?If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)? If yes,
whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Correct.
> Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> parts?
In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
Knees, hips, and hands.
> Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
inflammation.
> If yes,
> whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
improves over time.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
>> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> > parts?
>
> In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
>
> > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
>
> Knees, hips, and hands.
Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
> > Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
>
> It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
> inflammation.
In short, will inflammatory cytokines by VAT may cause intravascular
inflammations rsulting into diminished blood flow ?
> > If yes,
> > whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
>
> No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
> there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
> improves over time.
Whether oxidative stress happens on any inflammation to any part?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> > > parts?
> >
> > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> >
> > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
> >
> > Knees, hips, and hands.
>
> Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
their cartilages.
> > > Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
> >
> > It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
> > inflammation.
>
> In short, will inflammatory cytokines by VAT may cause intravascular
> inflammations rsulting into diminished blood flow ?
Yes.
> > > If yes,
> > > whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
> >
> > No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
> > there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
> > improves over time.
>
> Whether oxidative stress happens on any inflammation to any part?
Cytokine-mediated inflammation results in outright damage of the fine
vessels that supply the affected joints.
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> > > > parts?
> > >
> > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> > >
> > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
> > >
> > > Knees, hips, and hands.
> >
> > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
>
> These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
> their cartilages.
Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
related to osteoarthritis?
> > > > Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
> > >
> > > It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
> > > inflammation.
> >
> > In short, will inflammatory cytokines by VAT may cause intravascular
> > inflammations rsulting into diminished blood flow ?
>
> Yes.
Whether lesser blood supply due to inflammatory cytokines by VAT occurs
due to vasicinstriction or due to lesser filteration from small
arteries?
> > > > If yes,
> > > > whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
> > >
> > > No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
> > > there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
> > > improves over time.
> >
> > Whether oxidative stress happens on any inflammation to any part?
>
> Cytokine-mediated inflammation results in outright damage of the fine
> vessels that supply the affected joints.
Pls tell me more about such damage of fine arteries?
Whether such damage is common in all chronic inflammatotry diseases?
Read Friendly Neibourhood Vote Ranger
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>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> Kumar wrote:
>> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > > Kumar wrote:
>> > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
>> > > > parts?
>> > >
>> > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
>> > >
>> > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
>> > >
>> > > Knees, hips, and hands.
>> >
>> > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
>>
>> These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
>> their cartilages.
>
> Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
> related to osteoarthritis?
Your heart goes out with your liver and both went drinking at vampire blood
donation station in the company parking lot.
kumar
Read Friendly Neibourhood Vote Ranger wrote:
> "kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160881255.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> Kumar wrote:
> >> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> > > Kumar wrote:
> >> > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> >> > > > parts?
> >> > >
> >> > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> >> > >
> >> > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
> >> > >
> >> > > Knees, hips, and hands.
> >> >
> >> > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
> >>
> >> These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
> >> their cartilages.
> >
> > Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
> > related to osteoarthritis?
>
> Your heart goes out with your liver and both went drinking at vampire blood
> donation station in the company parking lot.
Pls clear it in normal language.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> > > > > parts?
> > > >
> > > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> > > >
> > > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
> > > >
> > > > Knees, hips, and hands.
> > >
> > > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
> >
> > These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
> > their cartilages.
>
> Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
> related to osteoarthritis?
No.
Osteoarthritis has long been associated with cardiovascular disease as
evident in the NSAID story and not with either liver or gall bladder
problems.
> > > > > Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
> > > >
> > > > It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
> > > > inflammation.
> > >
> > > In short, will inflammatory cytokines by VAT may cause intravascular
> > > inflammations rsulting into diminished blood flow ?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Whether lesser blood supply due to inflammatory cytokines by VAT occurs
> due to vasicinstriction or due to lesser filteration from small
> arteries?
Due to dysfunction and eventual destruction of the small arteries that
supply the joints.
> > > > > If yes,
> > > > > whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
> > > >
> > > > No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
> > > > there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
> > > > improves over time.
> > >
> > > Whether oxidative stress happens on any inflammation to any part?
> >
> > Cytokine-mediated inflammation results in outright damage of the fine
> > vessels that supply the affected joints.
>
> Pls tell me more about such damage of fine arteries?
There is intimal thickening encroaching on the lumen of the small
arteries from the outset.
> Whether such damage is common in all chronic inflammatotry diseases?
Vascular damage is common is chronic systemic inflammatory diseases.
Read Friendly Neibourhood Vote Ranger
>
> Read Friendly Neibourhood Vote Ranger wrote:
>> "kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160881255.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> >> Kumar wrote:
>> >> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> >> > > Kumar wrote:
>> >> > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in
>> >> > >> > some
>> >> > > > parts?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Knees, hips, and hands.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
>> >>
>> >> These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
>> >> their cartilages.
>> >
>> > Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
>> > related to osteoarthritis?
>>
>> Your heart goes out with your liver and both went drinking at vampire
>> blood
>> donation station in the company parking lot.
>
> Pls clear it in normal language.
I'll clean you with normal garbage..
Read Friendly Neibourhood Vote Ranger
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160884492.6...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It would be correct if his immediate god was his parents combined.
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> > > > > > parts?
> > > > >
> > > > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
> > > > >
> > > > > Knees, hips, and hands.
> > > >
> > > > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
> > >
> > > These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
> > > their cartilages.
> >
> > Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
> > related to osteoarthritis?
>
> No.
>
> Osteoarthritis has long been associated with cardiovascular disease as
> evident in the NSAID story and not with either liver or gall bladder
> problems.
Which is more related to osteoarthritis and other inflammatory
conditions--acidosis or alkaliosis, acid or alkaline condition in
tissues?
Bilirubin and uric acid are considered as anti-oxidant. Can't some
imbalance in bile secrations or reabsorption cause some imbalances in
these resulting into lesser antioxidants?
Do people living in big crowded and polluted cities get excess of free
radicals and oxidative stress than those living in remote green and
polluion free areas?
As such if yes, Can people living in big cities commonly get
excess/imbalance of Bilirubin and uric acid?
> > > > > > Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
> > > > >
> > > > > It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
> > > > > inflammation.
> > > >
> > > > In short, will inflammatory cytokines by VAT may cause intravascular
> > > > inflammations rsulting into diminished blood flow ?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > Whether lesser blood supply due to inflammatory cytokines by VAT occurs
> > due to vasicinstriction or due to lesser filteration from small
> > arteries?
>
> Due to dysfunction and eventual destruction of the small arteries that
> supply the joints.
>
> > > > > > If yes,
> > > > > > whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
> > > > >
> > > > > No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
> > > > > there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
> > > > > improves over time.
> > > >
> > > > Whether oxidative stress happens on any inflammation to any part?
> > >
> > > Cytokine-mediated inflammation results in outright damage of the fine
> > > vessels that supply the affected joints.
> >
> > Pls tell me more about such damage of fine arteries?
>
> There is intimal thickening encroaching on the lumen of the small
> arteries from the outset.
Some more pls?
> > Whether such damage is common in all chronic inflammatotry diseases?
>
> Vascular damage is common is chronic systemic inflammatory diseases.
Whether arthritis in all parts is due to systemic inflammation?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > >> > Btw, whether inflammatory cytokines by VAT can cause pain in some
> > > > > > > parts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the joints by way of osteoarthritis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If yes, in which parts pain can be common?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Knees, hips, and hands.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why it is more common in Knees, hips, and hands?
> > > >
> > > > These are the joints in the body that places the greatest demand on
> > > > their cartilages.
> > >
> > > Can bile not normally moving from liver or secreting in intestines be
> > > related to osteoarthritis?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Osteoarthritis has long been associated with cardiovascular disease as
> > evident in the NSAID story and not with either liver or gall bladder
> > problems.
>
> Which is more related to osteoarthritis and other inflammatory
> conditions--acidosis or alkaliosis, acid or alkaline condition in
> tissues?
The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> Bilirubin and uric acid are considered as anti-oxidant. Can't some
> imbalance in bile secrations or reabsorption cause some imbalances in
> these resulting into lesser antioxidants?
This is not clinically observed.
> Do people living in big crowded and polluted cities get excess of free
> radicals and oxidative stress than those living in remote green and
> polluion free areas?
This is not clinically observed.
> As such if yes, Can people living in big cities commonly get
> excess/imbalance of Bilirubin and uric acid?
This is not observed clinically.
> > > > > > > Is it somewhat oxidative stress effect (tissue damages)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is from diminished blood flow to the joints because of intravascular
> > > > > > inflammation.
> > > > >
> > > > > In short, will inflammatory cytokines by VAT may cause intravascular
> > > > > inflammations rsulting into diminished blood flow ?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > >
> > > Whether lesser blood supply due to inflammatory cytokines by VAT occurs
> > > due to vasicinstriction or due to lesser filteration from small
> > > arteries?
> >
> > Due to dysfunction and eventual destruction of the small arteries that
> > supply the joints.
> >
> > > > > > > If yes,
> > > > > > > whether adding food with anti-oxidant property can be useful?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. Once the inflammatory cytokines are gone with the loss of VAT,
> > > > > > there can be healing of the osteoarthritic joints as vascular perfusion
> > > > > > improves over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether oxidative stress happens on any inflammation to any part?
> > > >
> > > > Cytokine-mediated inflammation results in outright damage of the fine
> > > > vessels that supply the affected joints.
> > >
> > > Pls tell me more about such damage of fine arteries?
> >
> > There is intimal thickening encroaching on the lumen of the small
> > arteries from the outset.
>
> Some more pls?
Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > Whether such damage is common in all chronic inflammatotry diseases?
> >
> > Vascular damage is common is chronic systemic inflammatory diseases.
>
> Whether arthritis in all parts is due to systemic inflammation?
Depends on the type of arthritis. There are many kinds with
osteoarthritis being the most common.
kumar
Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > Bilirubin and uric acid are considered as anti-oxidant. Can't some
> > imbalance in bile secrations or reabsorption cause some imbalances in
> > these resulting into lesser antioxidants?
>
> This is not clinically observed.
Can imbalances in Bilirubin or uric acid make a person lazy or to live
Sed. lifestyle?
> > Do people living in big crowded and polluted cities get excess of free
> > radicals and oxidative stress than those living in remote green and
> > polluion free areas?
>
> This is not clinically observed.
Can excess of free radicals make a person lazy or to live sed.
lifestyle?
Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
"Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
intestine.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not while there is homeostasis.
> > > Bilirubin and uric acid are considered as anti-oxidant. Can't some
> > > imbalance in bile secrations or reabsorption cause some imbalances in
> > > these resulting into lesser antioxidants?
> >
> > This is not clinically observed.
>
> Can imbalances in Bilirubin or uric acid make a person lazy or to live
> Sed. lifestyle?
This is not clinically observed.
> > > Do people living in big crowded and polluted cities get excess of free
> > > radicals and oxidative stress than those living in remote green and
> > > polluion free areas?
> >
> > This is not clinically observed.
>
> Can excess of free radicals make a person lazy or to live sed.
> lifestyle?
This is not observed.
The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
>
> "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> intestine.
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
>
> How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
diabetics:
kumar
What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> >
> > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > intestine.
> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> >
> > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
>
> Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> diabetics:
What about in type2?
Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
They are.
Cigarette smoking.
High blood pressure.
High cholesterol.
> > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > >
> > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > intestine.
> > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > >
> > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> >
> > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > diabetics:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
>
> What about in type2?
Less.
> Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
Until you understand this, you remain brainwashed by the prince of this
world.
May GOD continue to mercifully heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
Real Friendit Naybourhood Wote Monger
Including tea?
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
snip
> > > > > The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
> > > > > the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> > > >
> > > > Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > >
> > > Not while there is homeostasis.
> >
> > Are Acidosis or alkalosis not homeostatis disrupted conditions?
>
> They are.
Which of these can cause inflammation?
> > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > >
> > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > >
> > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> >
> > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
>
> Cigarette smoking.
>
> High blood pressure.
>
> High cholesterol.
>
> > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > >
> > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > intestine.
> > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > >
> > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > >
> > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > diabetics:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> >
> > What about in type2?
> Less.
Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
> > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
>
> Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Yes.
May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating, dear neighbor
Real Friendit Naybourhood Wote Monger
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1160993975.7...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
If life is a balance of good and evil, food and drugs, (and oh eh tabacoo
and fire-arms hehe), why is what might be harming you not beneficial?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Life is not about balancing things but about glorifying HIM.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating to give you time
to understand this, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Real Friendit Naybourhood Wote Monger
His life may be, but my life should be about borify mine?
>
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
I am glad there was diversity way back, everyone can believe what they want.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> :
> snip
> > > > > > The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
> > > > > > the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > > >
> > > > Not while there is homeostasis.
> > >
> > > Are Acidosis or alkalosis not homeostatis disrupted conditions?
> >
> > They are.
>
> Which of these can cause inflammation?
Acute disruption of homeostasis will lead to death before there is
inflammation.
> > > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > > >
> > > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> > >
> > > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> >
> > Cigarette smoking.
> >
> > High blood pressure.
> >
> > High cholesterol.
> >
> > > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > > >
> > > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > > intestine.
> > > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > > >
> > > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > > >
> > > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > > diabetics:
> > > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> > >
> > > What about in type2?
>
> > Less.
> Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
Type-1 diabetes and scleroderma-like syndrome are auto-immune related.
> > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> >
> > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
>
> But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
May GOD continue to heal you heart by curing your diabetes, dear
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > kumar wrote:
> > :
> > snip
> > > > > > > The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
> > > > > > > the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not while there is homeostasis.
> > > >
> > > > Are Acidosis or alkalosis not homeostatis disrupted conditions?
> > >
> > > They are.
> >
> > Which of these can cause inflammation?
>
> Acute disruption of homeostasis will lead to death before there is
> inflammation.
alkalosis?
> > > > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > > > >
> > > > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> > > >
> > > > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> > >
> > > Cigarette smoking.
> > >
> > > High blood pressure.
> > >
> > > High cholesterol.
> > >
> > > > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > > > intestine.
> > > > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > > > >
> > > > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > > > diabetics:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> > > >
> > > > What about in type2?
> >
> > > Less.
>
> > Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
>
> Type-1 diabetes and scleroderma-like syndrome are auto-immune related.
Can type2 get auto-immunity? Can some auto-immunity be also for some
beneficial/needed purpose?
> > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > >
> > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> >
> > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
>
> Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > kumar wrote:
> > > :
> > > snip
> > > > > > > > The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
> > > > > > > > the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not while there is homeostasis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are Acidosis or alkalosis not homeostatis disrupted conditions?
> > > >
> > > > They are.
> > >
> > > Which of these can cause inflammation?
> >
> > Acute disruption of homeostasis will lead to death before there is
> > inflammation.
>
> yes, very narrow range is of blood pH. What is then, acidosis and
> alkalosis?
Incompatible with life.
> > > > > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> > > > >
> > > > > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> > > >
> > > > Cigarette smoking.
> > > >
> > > > High blood pressure.
> > > >
> > > > High cholesterol.
> > > >
> > > > > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > > > > intestine.
> > > > > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > > > > diabetics:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> > > > >
> > > > > What about in type2?
> > >
> > > > Less.
> >
> > > Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
> >
> > Type-1 diabetes and scleroderma-like syndrome are auto-immune related.
>
> Can type2 get auto-immunity?
Yes. However, this is not typically associated with type-2 diabetes.
> Can some auto-immunity be also for some
> beneficial/needed purpose?
Not clinically seen.
> > > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > > >
> > > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> > >
> > > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
> >
> > Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
>
> Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
Everywhere.
> Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
This is a nonspecific reflection of conditions optimal for health.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > :
> > > > snip
> > > > > > > > > The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
> > > > > > > > > the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not while there is homeostasis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are Acidosis or alkalosis not homeostatis disrupted conditions?
> > > > >
> > > > > They are.
> > > >
> > > > Which of these can cause inflammation?
> > >
> > > Acute disruption of homeostasis will lead to death before there is
> > > inflammation.
> >
> > yes, very narrow range is of blood pH. What is then, acidosis and
> > alkalosis?
>
> Incompatible with life.
People don't die immediately due to different type of acidosis or
alkalosis?
How much change in pH which tissues can tolerate? It may depend on
tissues, but pls tell some?
> > > > > > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cigarette smoking.
> > > > >
> > > > > High blood pressure.
> > > > >
> > > > > High cholesterol.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > > > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > > > > > intestine.
> > > > > > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > > > > > diabetics:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about in type2?
> > > >
> > > > > Less.
> > >
> > > > Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
> > >
> > > Type-1 diabetes and scleroderma-like syndrome are auto-immune related.
> >
> > Can type2 get auto-immunity?
>
> Yes. However, this is not typically associated with type-2 diabetes.
Don't type2 get beta cell damage?
> > Can some auto-immunity be also for some
> > beneficial/needed purpose?
>
> Not clinically seen.
Can't some beta cell damage be due to excessive insulin is secreted due
to IR?
Can't some anemia and RBCs destruction be to withhold iron or O2
pathogenic bacterias or cancer cells?
> > > > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> > > >
> > > > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
> > >
> > > Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
> >
> > Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
>
> Everywhere.
How nutrient surplus increases appetite?
> > Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
>
> This is a nonspecific reflection of conditions optimal for health.
Which Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus can increase apetite?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > :
> > > > > snip
> > > > > > > > > > The inflammatory cytokines from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) are
> > > > > > > > > > the mediators rather than tissue pH.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Whether acidosis or alkalosis mediate other systemic inflammation?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not while there is homeostasis.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are Acidosis or alkalosis not homeostatis disrupted conditions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which of these can cause inflammation?
> > > >
> > > > Acute disruption of homeostasis will lead to death before there is
> > > > inflammation.
> > >
> > > yes, very narrow range is of blood pH. What is then, acidosis and
> > > alkalosis?
> >
> > Incompatible with life.
>
> People don't die immediately due to different type of acidosis or
> alkalosis?
Still incompatible with life.
> How much change in pH which tissues can tolerate? It may depend on
> tissues, but pls tell some?
Depends on comorbidities.
> > > > > > > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cigarette smoking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > High blood pressure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > High cholesterol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > > > > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > > > > > > intestine.
> > > > > > > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > > > > > > diabetics:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about in type2?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Less.
> > > >
> > > > > Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
> > > >
> > > > Type-1 diabetes and scleroderma-like syndrome are auto-immune related.
> > >
> > > Can type2 get auto-immunity?
> >
> > Yes. However, this is not typically associated with type-2 diabetes.
>
> Don't type2 get beta cell damage?
This is not immune-mediated but inflammation-mediated.
> > > Can some auto-immunity be also for some
> > > beneficial/needed purpose?
> >
> > Not clinically seen.
>
> Can't some beta cell damage be due to excessive insulin is secreted due
> to IR?
Not for type-1 diabetes.
> Can't some anemia and RBCs destruction be to withhold iron or O2
> pathogenic bacterias or cancer cells?
Typically not.
> > > > > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
> > > >
> > > > Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
> > >
> > > Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
> >
> > Everywhere.
>
> How nutrient surplus increases appetite?
By optimizing health.
> > > Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
> >
> > This is a nonspecific reflection of conditions optimal for health.
>
> Which Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus can increase apetite?
All when there is a deficiency.
Kumar
Common acidosis and alkalosis are in ECF or in tissues or in blood.
> > > > > > > > > > > Intimal thickening is pathological.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whether scleroderma and Intimal thickening are linked to each other?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The autoimmune process in scleroderma would cause intimal thickening.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are other reasons of getting intimal thickening?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cigarette smoking.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > High blood pressure.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > High cholesterol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One sign and and symptom of scleroderma is;
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Digestive problems ranging from poor absorption of nutrients to
> > > > > > > > > > delayed movement of food due to impaired muscular activity in your
> > > > > > > > > > intestine.
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/scleroderma/DS00362/DSECTION=2 "
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How scleroderma is common in diabetis in its innital and later stage?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Scleroderma-like syndrome is reported in 8-50% of insulin-dependent
> > > > > > > > > diabetics:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/vodbh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about in type2?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Less.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why Scleroderma-like syndrome is more common in type1 than type2?
> > > > >
> > > > > Type-1 diabetes and scleroderma-like syndrome are auto-immune related.
> > > >
> > > > Can type2 get auto-immunity?
> > >
> > > Yes. However, this is not typically associated with type-2 diabetes.
> >
> > Don't type2 get beta cell damage?
>
> This is not immune-mediated but inflammation-mediated.
Inflammation is a part of immune system?
Whether beta cells damage due to type diabetes is an irreversible
damage?
> > > > Can some auto-immunity be also for some
> > > > beneficial/needed purpose?
> > >
> > > Not clinically seen.
Can some conditions express auto-immunity type effects/results but may
not be true autoimmunity(somewhat alike type2 in comparisn to type1
diabetes)?
> > Can't some beta cell damage be due to excessive insulin is secreted due
> > to IR?
>
> Not for type-1 diabetes.
What about for type2 diabetes?
> > Can't some anemia and RBCs destruction be to withhold iron or O2
> > pathogenic bacterias or cancer cells?
>
> Typically not.
Do our body's natural mechanism damages some of parts for some
beneficial/surrvival purposes behind those? If yes, how and what?
> > > > > > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > > > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
> > > > >
> > > > > Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
> > > >
> > > > Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
> > >
> > > Everywhere.
> >
> > How nutrient surplus increases appetite?
>
> By optimizing health.
How nurients still above optimizing health?
> > > > Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
> > >
> > > This is a nonspecific reflection of conditions optimal for health.
> >
> > Which Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus can increase apetite?
>
> All when there is a deficiency.
How such condition can be treated as nutrient surplus?
Pls look at last quote in topic about inflamation. As such, can swelled
RBCs show elevated ESR, elevation of PCV or lips/tongue or some other
part to look fiery red in colour instead of normal deep red?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Still depends on comorbidities.
It is. However, the terminology immune-mediated is reserved for
formation of specific antibody-antigen complexes.
> Whether beta cells damage due to type diabetes is an irreversible
> damage?
Loss of beta islet cells is irreversible.
> > > > > Can some auto-immunity be also for some
> > > > > beneficial/needed purpose?
> > > >
> > > > Not clinically seen.
>
> Can some conditions express auto-immunity type effects/results but may
> not be true autoimmunity(somewhat alike type2 in comparisn to type1
> diabetes)?
This is not clinically seen.
> > > Can't some beta cell damage be due to excessive insulin is secreted due
> > > to IR?
> >
> > Not for type-1 diabetes.
>
> What about for type2 diabetes?
Not determined.
> > > Can't some anemia and RBCs destruction be to withhold iron or O2
> > > pathogenic bacterias or cancer cells?
> >
> > Typically not.
>
> Do our body's natural mechanism damages some of parts for some
> beneficial/surrvival purposes behind those? If yes, how and what?
Overeating is not a natural mechanism but a choice made via the free
will which GOD has generously given to all souls including those
belonging to even fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> > > > > > > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > > > > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
> > > >
> > > > Everywhere.
> > >
> > > How nutrient surplus increases appetite?
> >
> > By optimizing health.
>
> How nurients still above optimizing health?
No deficiency.
> > > > > Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
> > > >
> > > > This is a nonspecific reflection of conditions optimal for health.
> > >
> > > Which Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus can increase apetite?
> >
> > All when there is a deficiency.
>
> How such condition can be treated as nutrient surplus?
Empty cups are no longer empty when they are overfilled.
> Pls look at last quote in topic about inflamation. As such, can swelled
> RBCs show elevated ESR, elevation of PCV or lips/tongue or some other
> part to look fiery red in colour instead of normal deep red?
Redness (erythema) at sites of inflammation is not due to swollen RBCs.
A beefy red tongue is a sign of B12 deficiency which will result in
increased MCV, which could possibly be interpreted by a layperson such
as yourself to mean swollen RBCs.
Kumar
Should we not classify infectious and non-infectious inflammations
seprately?
> > Whether beta cells damage due to type diabetes is an irreversible
> > damage?
>
> Loss of beta islet cells is irreversible.
> > > > > > Can some auto-immunity be also for some
> > > > > > beneficial/needed purpose?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not clinically seen.
> >
> > Can some conditions express auto-immunity type effects/results but may
> > not be true autoimmunity(somewhat alike type2 in comparisn to type1
> > diabetes)?
>
> This is not clinically seen.
>
> > > > Can't some beta cell damage be due to excessive insulin is secreted due
> > > > to IR?
> > >
> > > Not for type-1 diabetes.
> >
> > What about for type2 diabetes?
>
> Not determined.
>
> > > > Can't some anemia and RBCs destruction be to withhold iron or O2
> > > > to pathogenic bacterias or cancer cells?
> > >
> > > Typically not.
"Iron is an oxidant as well as a nutrient for invading microbial and
neoplastic cells. Excessive iron in specific tissues and cells (iron
loading) promotes development of infection, neoplasia, cardiomyopathy,
arthropathy, and various endocrine and possibly neurodegenerative
disorders. To contain and detoxify the metal, hosts have evolved an
iron withholding defense system, but the system can be compromised by
numerous factors. An array of behavioral, medical, and immunologic
methods are in place or in development to strengthen iron withholding
http://www.cdc.gov/NCIDOD/EID/vol5no3/weinberg.htm "
Pls look at abvove quote and tell.
> > Do our body's natural mechanism damages some of parts for some
> > beneficial/surrvival purposes behind those? If yes, how and what?
>
> Overeating is not a natural mechanism but a choice made via the free
> will which GOD has generously given to all souls including those
> belonging to even fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
Whether all our body's natural mechanisms(GOD's design) are meant for
our surrvival in best possible way?
> > > > > > > > > > Whether purpose of getting Scleroderma is meant to reduce appetite,
> > > > > > > > > > nutients absorptions and supply to tissues?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anything that causes you to lose your appetite is harming you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But if you have excess of nutrients etc. in blood, then?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus increases appetite.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether such surplus in digestive tract or in blood or in tissues?
> > > > >
> > > > > Everywhere.
> > > >
> > > > How nutrient surplus increases appetite?
> > >
> > > By optimizing health.
> >
> > How nurients still above optimizing health?
>
> No deficiency.
>
> > > > > > Which nutrients surplus, specifically can increase appetite?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a nonspecific reflection of conditions optimal for health.
> > > >
> > > > Which Nutrient (not macronutrient) surplus can increase apetite?
> > >
> > > All when there is a deficiency.
> >
> > How such condition can be treated as nutrient surplus?
>
> Empty cups are no longer empty when they are overfilled.
Good words, but still it can be defficient/empity in one of its
contents.
> > Pls look at last quote in topic about inflamation. As such, can swelled
> > RBCs show elevated ESR, elevation of PCV or lips/tongue or some other
> > part to look fiery red in colour instead of normal deep red?
>
> Redness (erythema) at sites of inflammation is not due to swollen RBCs.
What causes some parts to look red?>
A beefy red tongue is a sign of B12 deficiency which will result in
> increased MCV, which could possibly be interpreted by a layperson such
> as yourself to mean swollen RBCs.
Can't increased increased MCV be due to other reason than cell sweling
by hypotonicity/thin blood?
Thanks. Whether beefy red tongue and fiery red tongue(lips also) are
somewhat same? Is it a sign or symptom of some inflammatory condition?
How such condition is common in people esp. in young, nowadays?
Previously I read somewhaere that some B vitamin's defficiency can show
this symptom.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> Overeating is not a natural mechanism but a choice made via the free
> will which GOD has generously given to all souls including those
> belonging to even fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
I hope you don't mind me intercepting here, but I have often been
puzzled about that passage in Mark re the fig tree. Why do you think
Jesus forbade anybody from ever to eat the fruit from that tree again?
The fig tree had leaves on it, but it was out of season for figs to
grow, so why was Jesus annoyed by this? Is this more symbolic? Is
Jesus saying that even if we, as people, are not ready when He comes,
because we don't know the time of His returning, that He will rebuff us
too?
Ros
><{{{>
PS Do you think God has given all matter souls?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > Overeating is not a natural mechanism but a choice made via the free
> > will which GOD has generously given to all souls including those
> > belonging to even fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
>
> I hope you don't mind me intercepting here, but I have often been
> puzzled about that passage in Mark re the fig tree. Why do you think
> Jesus forbade anybody from ever to eat the fruit from that tree again?
HE was speaking to the tree in judgment in the manner HE spoke to
demons in judgment by saying they would not possess anyone else again,
thereby destroying the demon as HE destroyed the soul of the fig tree.
> The fig tree had leaves on it, but it was out of season for figs to
> grow, so why was Jesus annoyed by this?
The fig tree had a soul with the free will to obey GOD the Son to
produce figs out of season but chose to disobey GOD's command.
> Is this more symbolic?
No.
> Is
> Jesus saying that even if we, as people, are not ready when He comes,
> because we don't know the time of His returning, that He will rebuff us
> too?
No.
Here is more to help you understand (especially the third link):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7d9759318ef2647?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/76c0d6d2aa5eed2f?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ddb25eb1d5cf468a?
> Ros
> ><{{{>
>
> PS Do you think God has given all matter souls?
Not all matter but all things that HE will command to obey HIM.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
Ros whom I love unconditionally.
Ros
Reading through the third link.....
he other fallen beings were not in the garden of Eden.
> > The tree of knowledge of good and evil standing in the middle of the
> > garden was a fig tree and was the source of the leaves that Adam and
> > Eve used to make coverings for themselves (Genesis 3:7).
It would mean that Eve was not the first to commit sin, but in fact
the tree was the first to commit sin because it could have withered up
its fruit, thereby making sure Eve could not have eaten it.
Blessings, Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> > Ros wrote:
> > > Andrew wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Overeating is not a natural mechanism but a choice made via the free
> > > > will which GOD has generously given to all souls including those
> > > > belonging to even fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> > >
> > > I hope you don't mind me intercepting here, but I have often been
> > > puzzled about that passage in Mark re the fig tree. Why do you think
> > > Jesus forbade anybody from ever to eat the fruit from that tree again?
> >
> > HE was speaking to the tree in judgment in the manner HE spoke to
> > demons in judgment by saying they would not possess anyone else again,
> >
> > > The fig tree had leaves on it, but it was out of season for figs to
> > > grow, so why was Jesus annoyed by this?
> >
> > The fig tree had a soul with the free will to obey GOD the Son to
> > produce figs out of season but chose to disobey GOD's command.
> >
> > > Is this more symbolic?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > Is
> > > Jesus saying that even if we, as people, are not ready when He comes,
> > > because we don't know the time of His returning, that He will rebuff us
> > > too?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Here is more to help you understand (especially the third link):
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7d9759318ef2647?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/76c0d6d2aa5eed2f?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ddb25eb1d5cf468a?
> >
> > > Ros
> > > ><{{{>
>
> Reading through the third link.....
>
>
> > > The tree of knowledge of good and evil standing in the middle of the
> > > garden was a fig tree and was the source of the leaves that Adam and
> > > Eve used to make coverings for themselves (Genesis 3:7).
>
> It would mean that Eve was not the first to commit sin
Indeed, the first person to commit sin is satan causing his fall along
with a third of the angels from heaven...
... and the first being in the garden of Eden to commit sin was Eve
when she first thought to disobey GOD by eating figs from the forbidden
fig tree.
>, but in fact
> the tree was the first to commit sin because it could have withered up
> its fruit, thereby making sure Eve could not have eaten it.
This would have happened **after** Eve sinned by even thinking to
disobey GOD to eat of it...
... and so this is how sin entered into the garden of Eden
... and the world.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Thank you for those answers, Andrew, I'd forgotten about satan. But
that's what he does, doesn't he.....wants us to forget about him. He
knows the bible inside out and even quoted it to Jesus in the desert.
I don't mind you calling it a fig tree. It really doesn't matter what
kind of a fruit tree it was.
It's a wonder people can't believe that the Holy Spirit talks to you,
yet we all rely on His speaking to us - not verbally, of course, but
spiritually.
Jesus loves you.
Ros
Demon Lord of Confusion
further by squeaking:
Hmmm, I guess I'm damned to Hell forever, in that case, since I've eaten
figs. Oh, well, the company's better anyway.
>><{{{>
>
> PS Do you think God has given all matter souls?
An interesting question, for a theist, especially a monotheist. Me, I
gravitate between polytheism and agnosticism, though, so it's only mildly
interesting, to me.
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Ros
Demon Lord of Confusion wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:41:07 -0700, Ros attempted to confuse the issue
> further by squeaking:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>
> >> Overeating is not a natural mechanism but a choice made via the free
> >> will which GOD has generously given to all souls including those
> >> belonging to even fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> >
> > I hope you don't mind me intercepting here, but I have often been puzzled
> > about that passage in Mark re the fig tree. Why do you think Jesus
> > forbade anybody from ever to eat the fruit from that tree again? The fig
> > tree had leaves on it, but it was out of season for figs to grow, so why
> > was Jesus annoyed by this? Is this more symbolic? Is Jesus saying that
> > even if we, as people, are not ready when He comes, because we don't know
> > the time of His returning, that He will rebuff us too?
>
> Hmmm, I guess I'm damned to Hell forever, in that case, since I've eaten
> figs. Oh, well, the company's better anyway.
>
> >><{{{>
> >
> > PS Do you think God has given all matter souls?
>
> An interesting question, for a theist, especially a monotheist. Me, I
> gravitate between polytheism and agnosticism, though, so it's only mildly
> interesting, to me.
>
Ros