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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 28, 2008, 2:23:16 PM8/28/08
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"The bad health effects associated with obesity are probably not
caused by the extra fat itself," he says. "They probably result from
the constant overloading of the system with excess calories."

Source:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080827/sick-fat-found-obese_people

It remains smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/WDJW

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21...

http://TruthRUS.org/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

May all souls choose to become healthier:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

Don Kirkman

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Aug 28, 2008, 3:07:10 PM8/28/08
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <o1rdb4pneoqsdi43c...@4ax.com>:

>"The bad health effects associated with obesity are probably not
>caused by the extra fat itself," he says. "They probably result from
>the constant overloading of the system with excess calories."

So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
count the omers.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 28, 2008, 4:22:11 PM8/28/08
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Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net>

WHAT? No less an authority than Andrew B. "Thermo" Chung has
informed us that:

Immeasurable units of food quantity such as calories are worthless.


(and yet oddly enough, when I keep keep it to 1200 immeasurable calories a day,
I lose 3 1/2 measurable pounds a week, regular as cesium clockwork)


((although I don't know how much of that is "black fat" [sic], as
"black fat" is immeasurable also))


-- cary

Lone Ranger

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Aug 28, 2008, 5:02:16 PM8/28/08
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:07:10 -0500, Don Kirkman wrote
(in article <susdb4th4ov0f18kl...@4ax.com>):

Excellent response to Chung's " diet" garbage, though will probably get
Chung's usual response

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 28, 2008, 8:22:04 PM8/28/08
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?

>
> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> count the omers.

Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.

It remains smarter to count the ounces per the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

Bottom line concerning your difficulties:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7abdd30495c2d234?


> --
> Don Kirkman
> don...@charter.net

Don Kirkman

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Aug 29, 2008, 2:17:13 AM8/29/08
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<91857055-23f4-421a...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?

>> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
>> count the omers.

>Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.

But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.

>It remains smarter to count the ounces per the 2PD-OMER Approach:

That's not what the item you quoted said; it clearly said calorie
intake is implicated in diseases related to obesity. Never mentioned
omers, mountain climbers, movies, manna, or ounces of miscellaneous
foodstuffs at all. Next time at least look for an article that
supports what you want to prove.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 29, 2008, 6:08:24 AM8/29/08
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?
>
> >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> >> count the omers.
>
> >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.
>
> But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.

The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
akin to wishful thinking.

Truth is simple.

Bottom line concerning your difficulties:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

Don Kirkman

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Aug 29, 2008, 2:14:46 PM8/29/08
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<c7bf0c9a-fcf7-4f2e...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?

>> >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
>> >> count the omers.

>> >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.

>> But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.

>The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
>akin to wishful thinking.

That is not what the article you quoted says, is it?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 29, 2008, 2:43:22 PM8/29/08
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In article <c7bf0c9a-fcf7-4f2e...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?
> >
> > >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> > >> count the omers.
> >
> > >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.
> >
> > But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.
>
> The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
> akin to wishful thinking.

And your evidence that these fat people are counting calories --
or even care -- would be:

-- cary, eating 1200 calories a day and down 18 pounds since July 28th

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 29, 2008, 6:24:54 PM8/29/08
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?
> > >
> > > >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> > > >> count the omers.
> > >
> > > >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.
> > >
> > > But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.
> >
> > The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
> > akin to wishful thinking.
>
> And your evidence that these fat people are counting calories --
> or even care -- would be:
>
> -- cary, eating 1200 calories a day and down 18 pounds since July 28th

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly provide yourself as evidence :-)

Bottom line concerning your having less free will:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

Cary Kittrell

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Aug 29, 2008, 6:51:09 PM8/29/08
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In article <76fc528f-a78a-40ac...@73g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?
> > > >
> > > > >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> > > > >> count the omers.
> > > >
> > > > >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.
> > > >
> > > > But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.
> > >
> > > The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
> > > akin to wishful thinking.
> >
> > And your evidence that these fat people are counting calories --
> > or even care -- would be:
> >
> > -- cary, eating 1200 calories a day and down 18 pounds since July 28th
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
> you to unwittingly provide yourself as evidence :-)


That counting calories indeed does enable one to lose weight? Right you are.

[diabetes group deleted at their request; alt.atheism added for the general amusement]

-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Aug 29, 2008, 10:18:10 PM8/29/08
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?
> > > > >
> > > > > >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> > > > > >> count the omers.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.
> > > > >
> > > > > But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.
> > > >
> > > > The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
> > > > akin to wishful thinking.
> > >
> > > And your evidence that these fat people are counting calories --
> > > or even care -- would be:
> > >
> > > -- cary, eating 1200 calories a day and down 18 pounds since July 28th
> >
> > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
> > you to unwittingly provide yourself as evidence :-)
>
> That counting calories indeed does enable one to lose weight?

"evidence that these fat people are counting calories" :-)

Bottom line concerning your having less free will:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?

guardian Snow

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Aug 30, 2008, 1:46:57 AM8/30/08
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On Aug 30, 8:51 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:

> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7?
>
> > <><

Notice the fish symbol on Vera's web site. Notice the fish symbols on
all of chungs post?

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/GROWING-DEEPER-C.htm

Based on this google group:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper

Vera aka Good News Runner and Fred A Stover post the massive spams
targeted at people that don't share in there FISHY little group.
Whenever this group post, you’ll notice that they have a group of
people they like to target…

A few month ago, seeking to find a message board to post from, I left
posting from alt.messinic which was being targeted daily by a user
with over 50 accounts. A few days ago, Fred A Stover started posting
messages to me. He then posted a message on the board I have been
posting from, alt.messianic.yeshua. I posted this message to him…


On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They were
> divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism

Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)

Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.

יהוה Ěl Shaddai is one of his names.

יהושע Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)

Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
have the monster spam here yet:))


Only hours later… The Chung Spam attacks came to
alt.messianic.yeshua and have been of the usual nonsense….

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--

Notice carefully again.. THE FISH SYMBOL!! I posted my message about
Chung on there message board.. they deleted it.. posted it again..
deleted again. They said, my message was “vile” when I was calling
for people to stand against Chung spam and his message of telling
people lies.


>> The problem arises when folks' read "hungry" which gets changed to
>> "starvation" by their demons in their minds. And folks who argue
>> against leaving the table while still hungry, are attempting to
>> reinforce the epidemic.
> Now I understand all to well Fred. Thank you for sharing that with
> me. I was wondering why he started cross posting to
> alt.messianic.yeshua all of a sudden. Your a liar BECAUSE THAT WAS
> YOUR/HIS MESSAGE FILLED WITH EVIL!
>> It was later that I went to the links you provided and saw just how
>> vile your message was.
> That wasn't my message. I was telling you about a the problem of
> somebody being attacked and showing you the evil... I love the way
> he is "addressing hunger"
> here by telling this person:
> "May you suffer infinitely more times than all the suffering combined
> you have caused with your lies especially to those who have overeaten
> to the point of affliction because of your delusion that hunger is
> bad...
But you have also seen WHOM he was addressing this to???
I doubt about it... It was someone who called himself "Satan".
You do not want to tell us you are defending this guy???
> ... and just when you think your suffering is absolutely unbearable,
> may GOD amplify it by infinity and extend the duration to eternity as
> HE casts you into that lake of fire being prepared for you and your
> children, satan.
Amen.
May satan suffer in hell for all the evil he has been doing to the
people.
> In the gloriously awesome and holy name of LORD Jesus Christ, I rebuke
> you yet again before an ever-growing cloud of cheering witnesses both
> here and in heaven. "
> Remember my friend:
> Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
> with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
Heed your own advice.
> I see you now Fred. I see you for what you are.
That is good.


So.. I’m speaking to FRED A STOVER NOW

> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:15 AM
Please don't involve us in your blasphemy of His spirit.
I see no "if" in "in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
may be
established" (Matt 18:16).
www.selah-tx.net <http://www.selah-tx.net>
His
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| <)))))))><


freds...@sbcglobal.net

> I have to say... it bothers me more that you reposted part of it and
> not the part where he says that poor girl the Holy Spirit says she
> needs to suffer endlessly.

Unrepentent sinners aren't going to suffer endlessly?

> Your "Christian" values really have a sad blind eye for what you want
> to believe.

> Painting me as a bad guy for speaking up about something I see as a
> serious problem...

He is addressing a serious problem, and hungry is good. There would be
few
type 2 diabetes (the epidemic he is addressing) patients if they had
pushed
themselves away from the breakfast, lunch, and dinner tables while
still
hungary. EVERY one of the several people to which I've spoken who
lived to
be 100 or more, included leaving the table while still hungry to the
things
to do to live to 100.

The problem arises when folks' read "hungry" which gets changed to
"starvation" by their demons in their minds. And folks who argue
against
leaving the table while still hungry, are attempting to reinforce the
epidemic.

www.selah-tx.net

His

ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| <)))))))><


Notice again the fish symbols, the talk about “blasphemy” and the
pride he took in speaking about type 2 diabetes. Notice the “demons”
in their mind reference…

THEY ARE CHUNG!

::: good news runner :::

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"guardian Snow" <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:8d553977-4cc4-4824...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 30, 8:51 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:

> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7?
>
> > <><

Notice the fish symbol on Vera's web site. Notice the fish symbols on
all of chungs post?

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/GROWING-DEEPER-C.htm

Based on this google group:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper

Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
fish is everywhere...

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?

Sorry, it should be Santa Claus is dreaming of a White Christmas in the
Snow.

No.

It should be... Santa Claus is dreaming of Snow, his Alter Ego.

No.

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Guess what he had for dinner...

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Vera aka Good News Runner and Fred A Stover post the massive spams
targeted at people that don't share in there FISHY little group.
Whenever this group post, you'll notice that they have a group of

people they like to target.

A few month ago, seeking to find a message board to post from, I left
posting from alt.messinic which was being targeted daily by a user
with over 50 accounts. A few days ago, Fred A Stover started posting
messages to me. He then posted a message on the board I have been

posting from, alt.messianic.yeshua. I posted this message to him.


On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They
> were
> divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism

Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)

Exo 20:7 "You do not bring the Name of ???? your Elohim to naught, for
???? does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.

???? El Shaddai is one of his names.

????? Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)

Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
have the monster spam here yet:))


Only hours later. The Chung Spam attacks came to
alt.messianic.yeshua and have been of the usual nonsense..


freds...@sbcglobal.net

www.selah-tx.net

His

in their mind reference.

THEY ARE CHUNG!


guardian Snow

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On Aug 30, 9:54 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

> Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
> fish is everywhere...

Wow Vera.. this is the most I've seen you post in months... Got more
time on your hands suddenly?

I know it's you Fred, and Musty. I did wonder why chungster never
actually posted anything.. except on rare occations.. to "Dear Brother
Fred" especially...

> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:

Marana tha

Andrew <><

Discussion subject changed to "Marana tha !" by Fred A Stover

> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/bc0592...

> > Fred, you still talking to your FISHY SELF?

http://groups.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper

> > Growing a little deeper?

> Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
> fish is everywhere...

I did notice but why don't you tell it to "Brother Fred A Stover"

brother Fred A Stover wrote:

You are welcome, dear brother Fred.

Please dispense with the title as servants do not have titles.

Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD, Who is the Great Doctor, so
that we will both be that much more blessed (hungrier).

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8a4fccd905fe9a36

You know the one that Chung loves "unconditionally"..

::: good news runner :::

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"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:796708f2-b6e0-4920...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 30, 9:54 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

> Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
> fish is everywhere...

Wow Vera.. this is the most I've seen you post in months... Got more
time on your hands suddenly?

I know it's you Fred, and Musty. I did wonder why chungster never
actually posted anything.. except on rare occations.. to "Dear Brother
Fred" especially...

> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:

Marana tha

Andrew <><

Discussion subject changed to "Marana tha !" by Fred A Stover

> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/bc0592...

> > Fred, you still talking to your FISHY SELF?

http://groups.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper

Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
fish is everywhere...

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shelves - eh shells.


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On Aug 30, 10:50 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

Why don't you tell me all about it "SISTER VERA"

What's the matter Vera? Don't like the fact that you guys can't taunt
people without them knowing who you are?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b2e06e55f48800a

sister ::: vera ::: wrote:

> convicted neighbor Matt wrote:

> > Ya right. Just do as Vera tells you. Servers are such open things

Paranoid delusion (false belief in conspiracy) noted in dear neighbor
Matt.

> Fact is I have not communicated with Andrew for months.

It may be more than a year since last I have received an email from
you.

May GOD continue to bless us in HIS mighty way making us healthier
(hungrier) than ever, dear sister Vera whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><


--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Cardiologist

Thom Madura

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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Actually - we ALL have free will - to the extent that our countries laws
allow.

THere are no gods - so there are no other restrictions.


::: good news runner :::

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Snow,

All you are doing is showing the anti-Christ spirit by spreading your
lies about Christians, and just for revenge, because I deleted your
libellous hate post about Andrew on Growing Deeper, while Andrew has
never been a member there, nor would he have any relation to it. I have
no understanding for such things. You should be grateful that I deleted
it, because spreading such things in the internet is criminal. But you
did not worry about tearing others (me) into that. Since you cannot spit
any more hate on Growing Deeper because I have you moderated there now
before you can post more criminal things, you started a revenge here.
You really look very foolish with that. Nobody believes that I am Chung,
but you prove to be the libeller for which I deleted your post.

I did not know you were this stupid, but obviously I can always learn in
addition...

May the Lord have mercy on you.


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In
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snowpheonix <snowp...@eck.net.au> typed:

snowpheonix

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Aug 30, 2008, 2:45:05 PM8/30/08
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On Aug 31, 4:24 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

> Snow,
>
> All you are doing is showing the anti-Christ spirit by spreading your
> lies about Christians, and just for revenge, because I deleted your
> libellous hate post about Andrew on Growing Deeper,

You mean the one where I quoted you guys (the following is Vera/Chung
speaking):

> "May you suffer infinitely more times than all the suffering combined
> you have caused with your lies especially to those who have overeaten
> to the point of affliction because of your delusion that hunger is
> bad...

But you have also seen WHOM he was addressing this to???
I doubt about it... It was someone who called himself "Satan".
You do not want to tell us you are defending this guy???

> ... and just when you think your suffering is absolutely unbearable,
> may GOD amplify it by infinity and extend the duration to eternity as
> HE casts you into that lake of fire being prepared for you and your
> children, satan.

Amen.
May satan suffer in hell for all the evil he has been doing to the
people.

-----------------------------------------
That you deleted the post wasn't important... it's what you and Fred
said after!

Nice "Christian" values fraud. Why not just come clean already.. your
not fooling anybody. You can say what you want but I violated no laws
by quoting what arrogant, evil liars you all are. I'm happy to repost
it many times publicly and have nothing to hide, unlike you.

(Reposted for all to see again)

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results. “
Albert Einstein

On a daily bases we see depraved and supposed cyber spammer Andrew B.
Chung posting the same droll messages day in and day out. He claims
to be inspired by the Holy Spirit but evidence can be shown easily
that Chung is nothing but a lonely cyber stalker and his only
inspiration is SATAN. Chung doesn’t like the bible except excerpts
that seem to fit his twisted vision.

The Apostle Peter said in scriptures, “1Pe 3:11 let him turn away from
evil and do good, let him seek peace and pursue it.” As true
Christians we are to pursue Peace but Chung does anything but seek
Peace and instead stalks Christian message boards wreaking havoc with
massive spam campaigns and posting daily messages in independent
threads. His goal is anything but Peace and his messages rarely
contain Christian messages.

So, while he goes around saying that anybody that post a message to
him is “blasphemed against the Holy Spirit”, the fact is that he is
declared himself the “holy spirit” and by such actions blasphemed it
himself. I recently made a post to him that only contained bible
passages from the book of Deuteronomy. He called these bible versus
blaspheme.

Chung is a lonely, sad, unemployed psychotic person who spends day and
night attempting to antagonize people. He is deceptive in his
writings and he will continue to cross post garbage, antagonizing and
goading people for a response. The only response he ever gives is
judgmental name calling. “Sockpuppets” and “Convicts” rule his
limited vocabulary and he seeks out and cross post to everybody and
anybody that’s willing post a message to his sorry, depraved lost
soul.

Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and
Paul I know; but who are ye?

Don’t be fooled by him, nothing about Chung is remotely Christian and
in fact he is demoniacally possessed. Evil spirits use the name of
the Messiah and they know his name well.

Mar 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and
cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because
they knew him.

Do not listen to him and do not consider his post anything but demonic
drivel. Devils know how to trick people into thinking they are
Christians. Don’t think that just because he claims to speak for God
and talks of the Messiah that he does. Those sent from the Messiah do
not judge and accuse our brothers falsely day and night, only demons
do that. Demons come to torment the weak minded and attack without
cause. They don’t use 50 plus email accounts to deceive, lie and
spread HATE and the fact is Chung is damaging the name of the Messiah
with his arrogance, false accusations and malice.

He is seeking whom he my destroy but more then that, he is attacking
Christians without shame and without cause. It’s a waste of time to
file complaints to google, I filed hundreds, save your time. If you
want him to go away, leave him alone… that is the worse thing you can
do to an attention seeking person such as he is. IF everybody simply
ignored him, he will eventually realize that nobody cares what he
says. Your not going to shame him, he has no shame. Your not going
to change him, he’s unable without direct physical intervention.

If you could shut down his Internet Service Provider, that would be
great. Short of that, your only giving him what he so badly wants..
Don’t post to his threads.. If you want to say something about him,
post it here:

http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam

That way you don’t become another contributor to the spam chain.
Think about it.. Chung’s posting and then somebody else post to his
thread, he never responds except to paste links and call people
names. The end result is that your actually helping him to spam
people, stop helping him.

Some Atheist actually LOVE Chung and they post to him just because
they want people to see this arrogant “Christian” that goes around
taking the name of our Messiah in vanity. They love to spur him on..
Abusing the name of our Messiah… can there be any doubt that he enjoys
the constant attention he gets from atheist? Look at the boards he
cross post to on a regular bases…

sci.med.cardiology, alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.messianic, alt.atheism

His sole reason for posting is to create strife! He’s not posting to
spread the Good News. In all the time I’ve seen him post, he’s never
posted a sermon preaching anything but hate and to go hungry.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an
abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent
blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be
swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth
discord among brethren.

He’s not cross posting to create good will, he’s posting out of the
evil vanity of his own desires. Everything that God hates, he does in
his name. Can there be any doubt he’s demon possessed?

(I'll have to update it to reflect that I know it's Fred and Vera
now:)
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)

Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins

::: good news runner :::

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In
news:1d779150-7816-4209...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com,
snowpheonix <snowp...@eck.net.au> typed:

> http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Such things are LIBEL, and libel is a crime, in Australia as well.

I will never allow such things being posted in my group. Period. If you
need to show what a freak you are, do so in your group, and do not cry
if you get what you deserve for such crimes. Do not say that Chung does
the same. While he has the tendency to libel people, too, there is one
big difference: He does not post it on my google group for which I will
be held responsible.


[snipped the rest of the rant and lies]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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convicted friend ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:

>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Such things are LIBEL, and libel is a crime, in Australia as well.
>
> I will never allow such things being posted in my group. Period. If you
> need to show what a freak you are, do so in your group, and do not cry
> if you get what you deserve for such crimes.

Sockpuppets (corporeal demons) have no free will to do anything except
evil:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?

guardian Snow

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On Aug 31, 12:03 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

I see your realizing the truth. If I committed a crime... charge me
SISTER VERA and BROTHER FRED. You can keep up the charade but I
already KNOW the truth of who you are.

YOUR NOT FOOLING ANYBODY.

http://groups.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper?lnk=

You really are growing deeper, in your sick CULT.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0e43112da2d7ee35
On Aug 31, 1:48 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> ROTFL!!!!
> I knew you were goofy from day one, so I pushed you into showing it.
> QED

Keep showing the world just what kind of fake "Christian" you are
"Brother Fred". I'm really enjoying exposing you and your sick
little
group... Interesting history when I've read about you.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/67fe917f9bcc652b

Fred, I hope you don't think you still have anybody fooled.
"Marana tha !"

guardian Snow

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On Aug 31, 6:32 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

While he has the tendency to libel people, too, there is one


> big difference: He does not post it on my google group for which I will
> be held responsible.

Chung then goes to defend this call of LIBEL against him... at this
next link:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic.yeshua/msg/263ddd7e8a19879a

convicted friend ::: good news runner ::: wrote:

> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:

> > http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Such things are LIBEL, and libel is a crime, in Australia as well.

> I will never allow such things being posted in my group. Period. If you
> need to show what a freak you are, do so in your group, and do not cry
> if you get what you deserve for such crimes.

Sockpuppets (corporeal demons) have no free will to do anything except
evil:

guardian Snow

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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b2e06e55f48800a

sister ::: vera ::: wrote:


> convicted neighbor Matt wrote:

> > Ya right. Just do as Vera tells you. Servers are such open things

Paranoid delusion (false belief in conspiracy) noted in dear neighbor
Matt.


> Fact is I have not communicated with Andrew for months.


It may be more than a year since last I have received an email from
you.

As I recall you were upset about reading that the Holy Spirit had led
me to a 40 day/night fast and may not have forgiven me since then.
Most assuredly, without doubt, HE helped me through the whole thing
because the feeling of physical hunger was present the entire time.
For this reason, I know HE did not forsake me otherwise the fasting
would have stopped sooner either by choice or by death of the body.

> Poor people who always have to make things up to make points.


Such are those who are guided by the "spirit of error" (self) rather
than the Spirit of Truth.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam
> >
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > > Such things are LIBEL, and libel is a crime, in Australia as well.
> >
> > > I will never allow such things being posted in my group. Period. If you
> > > need to show what a freak you are, do so in your group, and do not cry
> > > if you get what you deserve for such crimes.
> >
> > Sockpuppets (corporeal demons) have no free will to do anything except
> > evil:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?
> >
>
> I see your realizing the truth.

The truth is LORD Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah.

Yeshua is Adonai ! ! !

May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?

Thom Madura

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
> > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > >
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam
> > >
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > > Such things are LIBEL, and libel is a crime, in Australia as well.

Nonsense!

It is not possible to libel against things that cannot be proven to exist.

And in order for a libel situation to exist - the person being libelled
would have to file the charges - they cannot be filed by a third party.

So - your god would have to show up

AND YOU KNOW he cannot - he never existed and does not exist.

ANd if you disagree - then let himn show his face and file the suit!

Failure to do so proves my point.


guardian Snow

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(for those who don't know Vera, aka Good News Runner)

That Chung and Vera have a long time relationship, there can be no
doubt. The interesting thing is that if you go back in the history
before "FRED STOVER" comes on the scene, you realize that Chung
actually use to talk like a human being...

Jun 12 2006, 9:58 am
::: veralein ::: wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c09614f27e867bd

> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

> Oh, now you rewrite verses yourself...

Your bearing false witness against me is forgiven as far as I am
concerned.

May GOD continue to help you with your needs, dear sister Vera whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

----------------------------

Ok... still an idiot but.. human.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Cary Kittrell

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In article <49ca974d-fced-42ba...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f0d6b761cc194aa6?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> So it appears it may be important to track calorie intake, not merely
> > > > > > >> count the omers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Calories remain immeasurable for food that is actually eaten.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But they clearly can be calculated before they are eaten.
> > > > >
> > > > > The obesity epidemic makes it clear that such calculations are more
> > > > > akin to wishful thinking.
> > > >
> > > > And your evidence that these fat people are counting calories --
> > > > or even care -- would be:
> > > >
> > > > -- cary, eating 1200 calories a day and down 18 pounds since July 28th
> > >
> > > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
> > > you to unwittingly provide yourself as evidence :-)
> >
> > That counting calories indeed does enable one to lose weight?
>
> "evidence that these fat people are counting calories" :-)

And thereby losing weight.

On the one hand: Chung's "discernment".

On the other: my daily weigh-ins.

Which to choose, which to choose...


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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It is the collective clinical experience of those of us who are
practicing physicians that counting immeasurable units of food
(calories, servings, portions, or carbs) does not help people achieve
lasting (more than 5 yrs) clinically significant amounts of weight
loss (more than 10%).

Bottom line concerning your difficulties here:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?

Cary Kittrell

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"immeasurable units of food"...

Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
you.


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca9da6615e1363e2?

>
> Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
> you.

You remind me of the overweight blind man who would feign vision by
pretending he knows how to use an analytical balance by offering to
teach its use to seeing scientists.

Cary Kittrell

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How about a published study detailing the collective clinical
experience -- where "collective" is defined as "N > 1" -- of practicing
physicians as regards the five-year outcome of following the so-called
2PD-OMER "approach"? Where might one find that?


-- cary

Cary Kittrell

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In article <1484ec25-1e10-41e8...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca9da6615e1363e2?
> >
> > Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
> > you.
>
> You remind me of the overweight blind man who would feign vision by
> pretending he knows how to use an analytical balance by offering to
> teach its use to seeing scientists.

And you remind me of of a deranged individual laboring helplessly under the
delusion that he's used a quartz fiber torsion microgram analytical balance
one percent of the number of times that I have.

-- cary

Thom Madura

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1484ec25-1e10-41e8...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > >
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca9da6615e1363e2?
> >
> > Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
> > you.
>
> You remind me of the overweight blind man who would feign vision by
> pretending he knows how to use an analytical balance by offering to
> teach its use to seeing scientists.


Are you speaking of yourself as the blind man - I thought so!


Don Kirkman

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<1484ec25-1e10-41e8...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca9da6615e1363e2?

>> Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
>> you.

>You remind me of the overweight blind man who would feign vision by
>pretending he knows how to use an analytical balance by offering to
>teach its use to seeing scientists.

No, Cary is correct--we have much to teach you about science and the
real world. Nobody carries an analytical balance around to analyze
their daily bread, just as nobody, even the proponent of the
unscientific Two Pound Diet, carries a scale around to weigh food.
Somehow, in spite of that, mankind has managed to survive quite a few
millennia, starting from a time when folks just ate what they could
scrounge from nature.

Only someone who can't think outside a laboratory model would insist
on applying laboratory standards for everyday life. Ask your local
nutritionist or family doctor or maybe even a practical nurse or a
high school health teacher how to calculate calories and balance
nutrients with sufficient precision for good nutrition. I guess
that's one of the dangers of concrete literalistic ideation.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Cary Kittrell

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Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net>

>
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article
> <1484ec25-1e10-41e8...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca9da6615e1363e2?


> >> Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
> >> you.


> >You remind me of the overweight blind man who would feign vision by
> >pretending he knows how to use an analytical balance by offering to
> >teach its use to seeing scientists.


> No, Cary is correct--we have much to teach you about science and the
> real world. Nobody carries an analytical balance around to analyze
> their daily bread, just as nobody, even the proponent of the
> unscientific Two Pound Diet, carries a scale around to weigh food.
> Somehow, in spite of that, mankind has managed to survive quite a few
> millennia, starting from a time when folks just ate what they could
> scrounge from nature.

Remember those stilted, didactic "pretty woman smiles at
Andrew and offers him another helping" dialogues?

Do you think Andrew takes his scales into restaurants?

(in which case that could have been "nervous woman smiles
uneasily at the deranged customer, which counting the
number of steps to the nearest exit")


-- cary

Don Kirkman

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Cary Kittrell wrote in article
<g9n1uv$jko$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>:

>Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net>

>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>> article
>> <1484ec25-1e10-41e8...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:

>> >convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ca9da6615e1363e2?

>> >> Welcome to the scientific revolution. We have much to teach
>> >> you.

>> >You remind me of the overweight blind man who would feign vision by
>> >pretending he knows how to use an analytical balance by offering to
>> >teach its use to seeing scientists.

>> No, Cary is correct--we have much to teach you about science and the
>> real world. Nobody carries an analytical balance around to analyze
>> their daily bread, just as nobody, even the proponent of the
>> unscientific Two Pound Diet, carries a scale around to weigh food.
>> Somehow, in spite of that, mankind has managed to survive quite a few
>> millennia, starting from a time when folks just ate what they could
>> scrounge from nature.

>Remember those stilted, didactic "pretty woman smiles at
>Andrew and offers him another helping" dialogues?

>Do you think Andrew takes his scales into restaurants?

My guess would be no. The only measurements accurate enough for his
needs would have to be balances, and they're too susceptible to damage
to be carried around Mableton. Besides, could an unbalanced person
use a balance properly?

>(in which case that could have been "nervous woman smiles
>uneasily at the deranged customer, which counting the
>number of steps to the nearest exit")>
--

Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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On the Internet via a Google search.

Bottom line concerning your difficulties:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?

Cary Kittrell

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And yet, oddly enough, you failed to post a URL.

Fancy that...


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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If you had the URL, you would not need the "Google search."

> Fancy that...

Bottom line concerning you ongoing difficulties:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be

mindful of WDJW as we pray for your perishing soul, dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7?

Cary Kittrell

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And will not need to search, if you will kindly
post our alleged URL:


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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It remains my choice to continue to be mindful of WDJW and not what
you desire.

In keeping with WDJW, you remain in my prayers:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7

Cary Kittrell

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Sep 4, 2008, 7:34:42 PM9/4/08
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So you cannot. Because no such thing exists.

Imagine my surprise.


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Cary Kittrell

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Sep 4, 2008, 7:58:00 PM9/4/08
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So "inform" us -- why is it that Jesus does not wish you to provide
a pointer to a published study detailing the collective clinical


experience -- where "collective" is defined as "N > 1" -- of practicing
physicians as regards the five-year outcome of following the so-called
2PD-OMER "approach"?

I mean, other than the fact that He is aware that none such exists,
that is?


-- cary

Thom Madura

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:850c3fe1-d04a-428a...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...

Since you cannot to what she desires anyway - your argument is
religiobabble.


Thom Madura

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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Actually - it is because you cannot. As always - it is not a choice - when
you cannot do something - you have to wiggle around it.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sep 4, 2008, 8:34:27 PM9/4/08
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This serves well to illustrate how just as you are unable to
understand the difference between will not and can not, you are unable
to distinguish wants from needs:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?

Thom Madura

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This serves as PROOF that you are a liar - Andrew.

If your god was real - he could prove it to be true. He could produce
himself.

However - he cannot do so because he does not exist - and you cannot do so
for the same reason.

The lie is that he chooses not to appear - he never said it. Let him do so.


Cary Kittrell

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Asked and answered already.

Bottom line concerning your comprehension difficulties:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/773bdee360f7775e?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to be
mindful of WDJW by praying for your perishing soul, dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?

Cary Kittrell

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Sep 8, 2008, 1:40:20 PM9/8/08
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Asked again and avoided again.

Let us see if you can overcome your impulse to bolt this time around:

So "inform" us -- why is it that Jesus does not wish you to provide
a pointer to a published study detailing the collective clinical
experience -- where "collective" is defined as "N > 1" -- of practicing
physicians as regards the five-year outcome of following the so-called
2PD-OMER "approach"?


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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