The Sun is dead quiet, a flat disk
d....@hotmail.com
disk was spotless."
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=26187
Be afraid, be very afraid.
hanson
news:854ceef3-0916-4ce4...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Yes, be afraid,... but not for the reasons you imply....
ahahaha... HAHAHAHA... That spotless shiny disc is
a very welcome echo reflector for AGWlers and the
Green shits to make louder demands, for them to get
more graft off new permit charges, higher user fees,
more additional enviro surtaxes & finally a hefty head tax
on everybody's CO2-exhalation & CH4-fart emissions.
Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahanson
V-for-Vendicar
<d....@hotmail.com> wrote
Surprise, surprise... We are at the minimum of the solar cycle.. Stupid
Tard.
Bill Penrose
> "Solar activity was very low. No flares were detected.
> The visible disk was spotless."
Of course. It's a hole in the sky. How could it have features if it's
just a hole?
Dangerous Bill
V-for-Vendicar
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote
> Yes, be afraid,... but not for the reasons you imply....
> ahahaha... HAHAHAHA... That spotless shiny disc is
> a very welcome echo reflector for AGWlers and the
> Green shits to make louder demands, for them to get
> more graft off new permit charges, higher user fees,
> more additional enviro surtaxes & finally a hefty head tax
> on everybody's CO2-exhalation & CH4-fart emissions.
> Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahanson
Meanwhile back in the real world.....
NASA finds evidence of widespread Antarctic melting
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 | 10:04 AM ET
Rising temperatures two years ago led to widespread melting of snow cover in
west Antarctica, according to scientists examining the impact of global
warming on the icy continent.
The melting of snow cover in regions in January 2005 was the most
significant Antarctic melting seen since satellites began observing the
continent three decades ago, NASA said Tuesday.
NASA's QuikScat satellite detected extensive areas of snowmelt, shown in
yellow and red, in west Antarctica in January 2005.
(NASA/JPL) It was also the first major melting detected using NASA's
QuikScat satellite, which can measure both accumulated snowfall and
temperatures in various regions.
The team of scientists found evidence of melting in regions not normally
affected: up to 900 kilometres inland from the open ocean, farther than 85
degrees south (within 500 kilometres of the South Pole) and higher than
2,000 metres above sea level.
QuikScat found maximum air temperatures at the time of melting were
unusually high, reaching more than 5 C in one of the areas. These maximum
temperatures remained above the melting point for approximately a week.
The researchers were led by Son Nghiem of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
and Konrad Steffen, the director of the Co-operative Institute for Research
in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado. They published
their results in a book, Dynamic Planet.
"Antarctica has shown little to no warming in the recent past, with the
exception of the Antarctic Peninsula, but now large regions are showing the
first signs of the impacts of warming as interpreted by this satellite
analysis," said Steffen in a statement.
"Increases in snowmelt, such as this in 2005, definitely could have an
impact on larger-scale melting of Antarctica's ice sheets if they were
severe or sustained over time."
The 2005 melt was extensive enough to create a layer of ice when the water
refroze, but was not long enough for the water to flow to the sea. Steffen
said if enough water from melted snow is created, it could slip through the
cracks of the continent's ice sheets and potentially affect their movement.
The Antarctic ice mass is the Earth's largest freshwater reserve, and
changes in its condition can have an impact on sea levels, ocean salinity
and water currents.
"We need to know what's coming in and going out of the ice sheets," said
Ngheim.
"QuikScat data, combined with data from NASA's IceSat and Gravity Recovery
and Climate Experiment satellites, along with aircraft and ground
measurements, all contribute to more accurate estimates of how the polar ice
sheets are changing."
Bill Penrose
> "Solar activity was very low. No flares were detected.
> The visible disk was spotless."
What do they expect? The sun is a hole in the sky, after all.
DB
hanson
Scuttled his Nutts and wrote in message
news:yAG5j.17792$xa2....@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/2c04ac687ba5600b >
>> Yes, be afraid,... but not for the reasons implied....
>> ahahaha... HAHAHAHA... That spotless shiny disc is
>> a very welcome echo reflector for AGWlers and the
>> Green shits to make louder demands, for them to get
>> more graft off new permit charges, higher user fees,
>> more additional enviro surtaxes & finally a hefty head tax
>> on everybody's CO2-exhalation & CH4-fart emissions.
>> Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahanson
>
> Meanwhile back in the real world.....
>
.... where VD Scotty fervently prays that he will make,
long last, some money to pay up his taxes that he still
owes the glorious Uncle Sam's IRS, VD Scotty hopes
that these Greeneries here will not block his "Potential":
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/14968cc3ee9939d4 >
ahahaha... ahahahanson
V-for-Vendicar
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote Absolutely nothing.
Meanwhile as the Globe continues to warm...
11 Hottest Years Occurred in Past 13
------------------------------------
- Dave Mosher
LiveScience.com
Thu Dec 13, 4:50 PM ET
New climate data indicate this year might be one of 11 of the hottest years
on
record, all of which have occurred in the past 13 years.
Announced today at United Nations global climate change talks in Bali,
Indonesia, the conclusion stems from global climate records dating back to
1850
and new data collected from January through November 2007. So far, 2007 has
been
the seventh hottest year on record.
The last few days have provided an important platform for debate and
confirms
the need for swift action to combat further rises in global temperatures
because
of human behavior," said Vicky Pope, head of climate predictions at the Met
Office Hadley Center for Climate Change in England, from the Bali
conference.
Scientists and politicians at the conference are discussing plans to reduce
greenhouse gas emissions, which have been linked to rising global
temperatures.
While 2007 is shaping up for seventh hottest in the worldwide category,
different regions have seen more marked increases in temperature. The half
of
the planet north of the equator, for example, may be just shy of an all-time
annual heat record.
2007 was warmer in the Northern Hemisphere, where the year ranks second
warmest,
than the Southern Hemisphere, where it ranks ninth warmest," said Phil
Jones, a
climatologist at the University of East Anglia in England. The year began
with a
weak El Nino -- the warmer relation of La Nina -- and global temperatures
well
above the long-term average. However, since the end of April the La Nina
event
has taken some of the heat out of what could have been an even warmer year.
Across the United Kingdom, 2007 is on course to break all previous warm
temperature records.
Even if December's average temperature is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degree
Celsius) below the 1971-2000 long-term average, it would still be the area's
third warmest since 1914. Of the UK's 94 years of local records, 2002
through
2007 are set to become the six warmest years ever for the region.
The top 10 hottest years globally, based on average temperatures, include:
1998 - 32.94 degrees Fahrenheit (0.52 degrees Celsius)
2005 - 32.86 degrees Fahrenheit (0.48 degrees Celsius)
2003 - 32.83 degrees Fahrenheit (0.46 degrees Celsius)
2002 - 32.83 degrees Fahrenheit (0.46 degrees Celsius)
2004 - 32.77 degrees Fahrenheit (0.43 degrees Celsius)
2006 - 32.76 degrees Fahrenheit (0.42 degrees Celsius)
2007 - 32.74 degrees Fahrenheit (0.41 degrees Celsius)
2001 - 32.72 degrees Fahrenheit (0.40 degrees Celsius)
1997 - 32.65 degrees Fahrenheit (0.36 degrees Celsius)
1995 - 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit (0.28 degrees Celsius)
...
d....@hotmail.com
I warned you all. Now look, the whole Northern Hemisphere is beset by
extreme winter climate. Sir William Herschel in 1801 first observed
the influence of solar activity (or lack of activity) upon climate.
Professor1942
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> The top 10 hottest years globally, based on average temperatures, include:
>
> 1998 - 32.94 degrees Fahrenheit (0.52 degrees Celsius)
> 2005 - 32.86 degrees Fahrenheit (0.48 degrees Celsius)
> 2003 - 32.83 degrees Fahrenheit (0.46 degrees Celsius)
> 2002 - 32.83 degrees Fahrenheit (0.46 degrees Celsius)
> 2004 - 32.77 degrees Fahrenheit (0.43 degrees Celsius)
> 2006 - 32.76 degrees Fahrenheit (0.42 degrees Celsius)
> 2007 - 32.74 degrees Fahrenheit (0.41 degrees Celsius)
> 2001 - 32.72 degrees Fahrenheit (0.40 degrees Celsius)
> 1997 - 32.65 degrees Fahrenheit (0.36 degrees Celsius)
> 1995 - 32.5 degrees Fahrenheit (0.28 degrees Celsius)
>
> ...
Still can't beat '98 eh? Hehehe.
d....@hotmail.com
So what are you trying to say, black is white, cold is hot? OK I got
it.
V-for-Vendicar
<d....@hotmail.com> wrote
> I warned you all. Now look, the whole Northern Hemisphere is beset by
> extreme winter climate.
It is? Why was it +4 outside today with a chance of Rain?
I could have rode my motorcycle to work and back.
d....@hotmail.com
So what are you trying to say? That the 100's of thousands of reports
of extreme winter climate are false news? The composite satellite
images at Cryosphere Today, http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/animate.arctic.0.html
appear to confirm that the Northern Hemisphere is in the grip of
extreme winter climate. Look, the Arctic Ocean is 100% full up with
sea ice. Hudsons Bay is 100% full up with sea ice. 100% Snow cover to
the horizon. Etc., etc.
What is it that you are trying to say? That the NASA moon landing was
filmed at Area 51? That 100% of meterologists can be wrong 100% of the
time? Winter has been cancelled by the IPCC?
V-for-Vendicar
"Professor1942" <zwes...@gmail.com> wrote
> Still can't beat '98 eh? Hehehe.
Not yet. But then it was an anomolously warm year. And even with that
anomolously warm year, the trend is still upward. Remove it as an anomoly
and it is even more strongly upward.
d....@hotmail.com
Your're welcome.
Eric Gisse
If only you knew that the Sun had an eleven year [ish] cycle and that
we are currently at the bottom of the cycle, though we are now coming
out of it.
d....@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually it is a ~22.2 year cycle. For ~11.1 years the magnetic
polarity is positive and the for ~11.1 years it is negative magnetic
polarity. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle
d....@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
From:
Impact on Biosphere and human circadian cycle
The impact of Solar cycle on living organisms is covered in part by
interdisciplinary studies in the fields of science known as
Chronobiology, Heliobiology, and Astrobiology. In 1924 Alexander
Chizhevsky, graduate of Medical School at Moscow University, published
interdisciplinary works: "Physical factors behind the process of
history" and "Epidemiological catastrophes and periodic activity of
the Sun" studying cycles in living organisms in connections with solar
cycle and cycle of lunar phases. Chizhevsky developed a new
discipline, Heliobiology, a branch of Astrobiology. In 1939 Chizhevsky
was elected Honorary President of International Congress in Biological
Physics, for his 1936 publication The Terrestrial Echo of Solar
Storms, 366 pp. 1976, Moscow, (First published in 1936 in Russian:
А.Л.Чижевский. Земное эхо солнечных бурь. full text in Russian ).
However, soon Chizhevsky was arrested by the Soviet government and
exiled to Siberia under the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin.
Chizhevsky's publications were censored and his 1930s research of
blood and electromagnetic parameters of erythrocytes in connection
with cycles in human circadian system was banned, it was published 40
years later, in 1973. Chizhevsky's 1928 publication "Influence of
Cosmos on human psychoses" was censored in the Soviet Union, albeit in
2003 this work was referenced in Journal of Circadian Rhythms article.
------------
"Influence of Cosmos on human psychoses" => Be afraid, be very afraid.
Ergo, I win the debate!
Benj
Gentlemen!
I'd like to call this meeting of the "Flat Sun Society" to order!
d....@hotmail.com
So what are you trying to say?
kdt...@yahoo.com
> On Dec 31, 8:22 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
>
> <Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> > <d....@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > > I warned you all. Now look, the whole Northern Hemisphere is beset by
> > > extreme winter climate.
>
> > It is? Why was it +4 outside today with a chance of Rain?
>
> > I could have rode my motorcycle to work and back.
>
> So what are you trying to say? That the 100's of thousands of reports
> of extreme winter climate are false news? The composite satellite
> appear to confirm that the Northern Hemisphere is in the grip of
> extreme winter climate. Look, the Arctic Ocean is 100% full up with
> sea ice. Hudsons Bay is 100% full up with sea ice. 100% Snow cover to
> the horizon. Etc., etc.
>
> What is it that you are trying to say? That the NASA moon landing was
> filmed at Area 51? That 100% of meterologists can be wrong 100% of the
> time? Winter has been cancelled by the IPCC?
So what if there is a warming trend. It is not caused by CO2.
a)Laboratory data confirms that CO2 does not inordinately absorb
infrared energy in any manner that increases temperature.
b)Ice core data shows absolutely no affect upon temperature gradient
with the natural CO2 fluctuations.
c)And there is no measurable statistical evidence of increased
temperatures in accordance with stated CO2 increases.
In basic grenhouse theory, CO2 causes 7.4degC of natural grenhouse
effect. This is about 2.5C for each 100ppm. Yet according to AGW, CO2
has increased by 1/3 since the 19th centurty. Where the hell is the
2C????
If temperatures are compared with the 1930's, there is no measureable
temperature increase considering the range of error of the temperature
statistics. Even the lower maintenance of the weather stations in
poorer countries, puts any value to the hundreths of deg quoted by
AGWKooks, beyond any scientific value.
The only thing left for them, is to postulate a delay or that 'heat
sinks' are absorbing the heat so that it is UNDETECTABLE. Again they
must rely entirely upon their theoretical beliefs and have absolutely
no scientific evidence to support their postulation.
Only obsessive and dishonest twits would continue to attempt to use
temperature statistics that show only mild warming which has been
occuring since the little ice age as scientific evidence of cause and
effect of CO2 impact on temperatures. And then use their endless
stream of piss poor analogies to foment false beliefs in peoples
minds, and their endless referal to the 'scientists' that believe.
The polar ice has been melting for a long time. Impossible that human
CO2 has had any effect in the melting of any of this ice, regardless
of the success of this scientific fraud.
KDeatherage
The AGWBunnies,
Beating their drum for their holy war to reduce CO2 emissions by the
destruction of the western economies by the disruption the use of
energy, as they also seek the great oppurtunities of profiteering
suggested by Algore.
They keep going,,, and going,,
tadchem
The periodogram of the FFT of 300 years of sunspot numbers
http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/index.html?/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/math/f0-10670.html&http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/math/datafun5.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/math/f0-10670.html&h=255&w=312&sz=4&tbnid=AeYyJHxgevQ0VM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=117&hl=en&ei=jIJ6R5qsApnkeZjesTw&sig2=vaESq665o37i3mDdZuf1OA&um=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfft%2Bsolar%2Bcycle%2Bperiod%2Bfrequency%26svnum%3D100%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DytQ%26sa%3DN&frame=small
reveals a second cycle with a frequency of about 0.01 cycles/year (a
period of about 100 years) as well as sum and difference frequencies
interacting with the more well-known 0.09 cycles/year frequency (11.1
year period), visible in the periodogram as peaks at 0.08 and 0.10
cycles/year.
The raw data seems to show an amplitude variation in the sunspot
numbers which has minima in the first cycle after the beginning of a
century (e.g. the first cycle after 1700, 1800, and 1900).
If this is not an artifact (there are only 3 complete cycles at this
period) and this trend holds, the sunspot cycle starting now should be
significantly weaker than its predecessor.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
hanson
news:75d44325-af58-4876...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > <d....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:854ceef3-0916-4ce4...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> > > "Solar activity was very low. No flares were detected.
>> > > The visible disk was spotless."
>> > > <http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=26187>
>> > > Be afraid, be very afraid.
>>
>> > > Yes, be afraid,... but not for the reasons you imply....
>> > > ahahaha... HAHAHAHA... That spotless shiny disc is
>> > > a very welcome echo reflector for AGWlers and the
>> > > Green shits to make louder demands, for them to get
>> > > more graft off new permit charges, higher user fees,
>> > > more additional enviro surtaxes & finally a hefty head tax
>> > > on everybody's CO2-exhalation & CH4-fart emissions.
>> > > Thanks for the laughs.... ahahahanson
>>
>> > If only you knew that the Sun had an eleven year [ish] cycle
>> > and that we are currently at the bottom of the cycle,
>> > though we are now coming out of it.-
>>
... ahahaha... yeah right, the 11 year cycle... AHAHAHA...as if all
you guys' semi-sci lamentations, repeats and re-pastes (above
and below) would impress any of the Green shits..... ahahahaha....
>
The individual and collective mind of the Green Shits is made up.
They have a single minded agenda that calls for more and new
permit charges, higher user fees, more additional enviro surtaxes
>
Enviros give an utter shit about/for the environment.
"Environment" is their come-on, their gag, their tool to steal from you.
And stealing it is because they give you nothing of substance in return,
except an empty promise of hope. You can get the very same empty
promise of hope, MUCH CHEAPER, from your rabbi, priest, or imam
... Or are all of you class 3 enviros... little green idiots?.
Read here:
Green Crimes, Green Scams, Green Extortions & Green Lies:
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/14968cc3ee9939d4 >
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
> d....@hotmail.com wrote to Eric:
>> Actually it is a ~22.2 year cycle. For ~11.1 years the magnetic
>> polarity is positive and the for ~11.1 years it is negative magnetic
>> polarity. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle
>
d....@hotmail.com
> reveals a second cycle with a frequency of about 0.01 cycles/year (a
> period of about 100 years) as well as sum and difference frequencies
> interacting with the more well-known 0.09 cycles/year frequency (11.1
> year period), visible in the periodogram as peaks at 0.08 and 0.10
> cycles/year.
>
> The raw data seems to show an amplitude variation in the sunspot
> numbers which has minima in the first cycle after the beginning of a
> century (e.g. the first cycle after 1700, 1800, and 1900).
>
> If this is not an artifact (there are only 3 complete cycles at this
> period) and this trend holds, the sunspot cycle starting now should be
> significantly weaker than its predecessor.
>
> Tom Davidson
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for the MathWorks link that shows the Sunspot (number) Data.
Here's another:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/image/annual.gif
ANNUAL Sunspot Numbers 1700 - 2006
As best I can tell looking at the graphs, the sunspot number went to
exactly zero at ~1711, ~1810, ~1912 and just a few weeks ago. During
the three century record, it looks like the maximum suspot number
occured ~1958.
d....@hotmail.com
> "tadchem" <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > reveals a second cycle with a frequency of about 0.01 cycles/year (a
> > period of about 100 years) as well as sum and difference frequencies
> > interacting with the more well-known 0.09 cycles/year frequency (11.1
> > year period), visible in the periodogram as peaks at 0.08 and 0.10
> > cycles/year.
>
> > The raw data seems to show an amplitude variation in the sunspot
> > numbers which has minima in the first cycle after the beginning of a
> > century (e.g. the first cycle after 1700, 1800, and 1900).
>
> > If this is not an artifact (there are only 3 complete cycles at this
> > period) and this trend holds, the sunspot cycle starting now should be
> > significantly weaker than its predecessor.
>
> > Tom Davidson
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This link:
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/sun/images/sunspot_num_graph_big_jpg_image.html
is better. The graph shows the number of sunspots seen each year for
400 years (from 1600 to 2000). Also labeled are the Maunder Minimum
and the Dalton Minimum.
tadchem
> "tadchem" <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
I think Rush Limbaugh is close to the truth with the moniker "Eco-
Nazis" for these guys. Next thing you know they'll be goose-stepping
around wearing Green Shirts, razing the Pentagon, and trying to force
us "deniers" to wear brightly colored insignia. When they start
building carbon-free labor camps, I'm going underground.
The hidden agenda is about "Green Extortion" to get us to hand them
our money and liberties. They want power. Over the rest of us....
If Machiavelli were alive today, he'd be taking notes.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
hanson
news:60058fa5-1a77-4b26...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/3873fa32c279c107 >
>
[Tom Davidson]
> I think Rush Limbaugh is close to the truth with the moniker "Eco-
> Nazis" for these guys. Next thing you know they'll be goose-stepping
> around wearing Green Shirts, razing the Pentagon, and trying to force
> us "deniers" to wear brightly colored insignia. When they start
> building carbon-free labor camps, I'm going underground.
>
> The hidden agenda is about "Green Extortion" to get us to hand them
> our money and liberties. They want power. Over the rest of us....
>
> If Machiavelli were alive today, he'd be taking notes.
>
> Tom Davidson
> Richmond, VA
>
I like your take, although Limbaugh, as the reaction product or victim
of the far Left machinations tends to get a bit off on his far side too.
But right, your/the Enviro Nazis would act like Brown ones did at
the drop of a hat given the chance. One can see that in examples
of posters like VD Scotty, Scott Nudds, in sci.environment who said:
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/b223ea173952c9c2 >
::VD:: Sen. Inhofe will be among the first to be executed for his crimes
::VD:: But the lists that have been compiled are long.
::VD:: I'll even volunteer to be the hangman
::VD:: I have never driven a car ...., although last summer I did
::VD:: purchase... a small bicycle.. to leave the area I am in...
>
It's not only aberrants like VD Scotty who have notions like that.
You can meet cases like him in the real world every day.
Environmentalism is indeed as evil as any ideology can be.
Take care David, Happy New Year.
hanson
V-for-Vendicar
> It is? Why was it +4 outside today with a chance of Rain?
>
> I could have rode my motorcycle to work and back.
<d....@hotmail.com> wrote
> So what are you trying to say? That the 100's of thousands of reports
> of extreme winter climate are false news? The composite satellite
> images at Cryosphere Today,
> http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/animate.arctic.0.html
> appear to confirm that the Northern Hemisphere is in the grip of
> extreme winter climate.
here it is, more than a month after I wrote that initial message and in the
dead of winter - in what is historically the coldest week of the winter
months, today I could have driven my motorcycle to work and back.
Temperatures +6'C In the coldest week of February.
Global temperatures continue to rise.
V-for-Vendicar
<kdt...@yahoo.com> wrote
> So what if there is a warming trend. It is not caused by CO2.
Says the unemployed, glue sniffing, roofer.