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Bret Cahill
May 11, 2008, 2:13:22 PM5/11/08
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Assuming combustion temperatures don't drop too much, the higher
compression ratio possible with alcohol may increase NOx
compression ratio possible with alcohol may increase NOx
Bret Cahill
hanson
May 22, 2008, 12:17:53 AM5/22/08
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AHAHAHAHAHA.. ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA..
<Willie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2024eebe-a09e-4b5e...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
I have told folks before I post to usenet for my own reasons.
Interesting that you think you know what those reasons are.
Obviously you are wrong in your analysis, but its fun to see
it nevertheless.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA.. But Mookie, I have told you
that you are a very important person in your own mind.
>
::::: "Global oil demand has increased only by 1% last year,
::::: So why has the oil price risen by 200% in that same time"?..
>
There's a new twist in the game [2] that oil boys play...
So, here it is again for your fun and enjoyment:
>
> ----------------------------
>
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... Willie Babie!... I said in my post:
"Willie keep up with in your endeavors and I wish you well".
So Willie, why are you cranking yourself and lamenting
like a fanatic who doesn't know what he is talking about?
Here read again what was said:
>
<Willie...@gmail.com> said that ...
::WW:: your foul mouthed name calling is totally nonsensical
::WW:: as it is offensive. Here are the salient points about
::WW::energy in the USA;
>
<Willie...@gmail.com> now better known as the
** Green Willie Wonka in the enviro chocolate factory **
who is one of the many fanatical class 3 enviros who believe
in their green delirium that by posting their opinion on the
Usenet they will be/affect more than just their own opinion...
ahahaha... and so he beseeched me as if him convincing
me with his phantasms will change anything.... ahaha.. and
thus Willie Wonka wrote:
>
::WW:: I offer another way and set the stage for even lower
::WW:: cost hydrogen beyond the oil age. Nothing you say
::WW:: really addresses these facts, since you seem to be
::WW:: immune to facts, and more addicted to drama having
::WW:: nothing to do with fact.
>
hanson wrote:
Willie listen, your interchangeable moaning and bragging
about the state of C&CH affairs are commendable but you
offer NOTHING that is not every day garden variety and
futile enviro tabloid greenery, because your are not smart
enough to understand Chem. 101 & much less to grasp the
politics around the fact that cheap coal/oil/gas is abundantly
available for AT LEAST another 1500 years. So, I will repeat
the facts of real life, for your benefit (with an amendment of
current events at the end of this post):
>
------The C&CH reserves -----------
Initially, "they" say the earth had an anaerobic envelope ~0 % O2.
At hand back then was only (relevant) CO2 and Carbonates.
So, Photosynth. etc. has liberated by now ~21% free O2 into the
air: That translates into ~1E+21 gr or ~1E+15 tons of available
O2. So, each 32 gr of O2 buried somewhere 12-14 gr = 1 C (max
CH4). Hence, there is 1E+21 * 12/32 = 5E+20 gr or ~ 5.E+14
tons of fossil C in store. So, at a current use/consumption/burning
of 3E+15 gr/yr of oil, the fossil stuff (coal, oil & CH4) will be
reoxydised in 5E+20 gr / 3E+15 gr/yr =~ 1.5E+05 years!
>
So, even at a ***1% *** availability of this resource estimate
the "we are running out of oil" "End of the oil age", or "Peak oil",
may have some gravitas only in 1500 years from now!... ahaha..
and no EARLIER than in 150'000 years from now, when the next
ice age has come and gone, and the green fuckers are not even
a foot note in history anymore, will all the fossil C be burned off.
>
------- The C&CH politics ------- [2]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/2084d8f1e6393226
They have told you quite openly how cleverly they manipulate
the fuel market ever since 1917. Back then they killed the first
green (solar water heat) wave, by simply providing cheaper
and more reliable energy: oil.... all the way to another cycle
when during the Israeli precipitated oil embargo in ~1971/73
OPEC's Sheik Ahmad Zaki al-Yamani (Saudi's oil minister)
appeared for weeks on all the TV news- and Talk-show
circuits in the US and openly declared that anybody who
thinks that they'll be able to threaten the oil interests is
kidding himself, ....because the moment anybody is
becoming a threat to the oil boys they simply do flood the
market with cheap oil and bankrupt the investors of/in/with
green "renewable & sustainable" energy gismos.
As soon as the "alternative energy" competition is killed off
the oil boys announce that Peak Oil is just around the corner
& the price at the pump and their profits go up.... ahahahaha...
>
---- Current C&CH events:
So, Bush went onto his epic 2008 journey into the ME to ease
the pain at the gas pump in the US... ahaha... Manipulated by
the Neocons (=US-Zionists), as he always is, Bush 1st went to
the Holey Land, the chief parasite of the USA, kissed kike-ass
there, ridiculed his possible presidential successor, whilst they
expanded their "settlements" in their classical way like here:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM> or here
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f>
>
With that "success" in hand, "Bush, the Brilliant", went to see his
old ass-venter buddies in Mecca, who promptly gave him the
finger & coyly reminded him that the 9/11-2001 team consisted
of 19 Saudis, not Iraqis and not Afghans, but Saudi's who were
sent by the Saudi royalty to deliver a message as a signal that
they didn't like Bushs' extreme politics of kike-ass-licking. Bush
of course kept on sucking off Neocon dicks upon which the
Saudis told the US military on 2/23-2003 to leave their land of
Sunni ass-venters... --- ... and so, after 5 more years of Bush's
unrelenting Jew-dick sucking ... Bush had the phantasm to get
back to the Saudis with a Yarmulke in his hand & he expected
to get relief from them... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... whilst
at the same times the kikes in the US ran TV commercials
saying: "Thank you, US, for helping Israel in a time of need"...
ahahahaha.. You must hand it to the Jews... ahahahaha...
<Willie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2024eebe-a09e-4b5e...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
I have told folks before I post to usenet for my own reasons.
Interesting that you think you know what those reasons are.
Obviously you are wrong in your analysis, but its fun to see
it nevertheless.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA.. But Mookie, I have told you
that you are a very important person in your own mind.
>
::::: "Global oil demand has increased only by 1% last year,
::::: So why has the oil price risen by 200% in that same time"?..
>
There's a new twist in the game [2] that oil boys play...
So, here it is again for your fun and enjoyment:
>
> ----------------------------
>
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... Willie Babie!... I said in my post:
"Willie keep up with in your endeavors and I wish you well".
So Willie, why are you cranking yourself and lamenting
like a fanatic who doesn't know what he is talking about?
Here read again what was said:
>
<Willie...@gmail.com> said that ...
::WW:: your foul mouthed name calling is totally nonsensical
::WW:: as it is offensive. Here are the salient points about
::WW::energy in the USA;
>
<Willie...@gmail.com> now better known as the
** Green Willie Wonka in the enviro chocolate factory **
who is one of the many fanatical class 3 enviros who believe
in their green delirium that by posting their opinion on the
Usenet they will be/affect more than just their own opinion...
ahahaha... and so he beseeched me as if him convincing
me with his phantasms will change anything.... ahaha.. and
thus Willie Wonka wrote:
>
::WW:: I offer another way and set the stage for even lower
::WW:: cost hydrogen beyond the oil age. Nothing you say
::WW:: really addresses these facts, since you seem to be
::WW:: immune to facts, and more addicted to drama having
::WW:: nothing to do with fact.
>
hanson wrote:
Willie listen, your interchangeable moaning and bragging
about the state of C&CH affairs are commendable but you
offer NOTHING that is not every day garden variety and
futile enviro tabloid greenery, because your are not smart
enough to understand Chem. 101 & much less to grasp the
politics around the fact that cheap coal/oil/gas is abundantly
available for AT LEAST another 1500 years. So, I will repeat
the facts of real life, for your benefit (with an amendment of
current events at the end of this post):
>
------The C&CH reserves -----------
Initially, "they" say the earth had an anaerobic envelope ~0 % O2.
At hand back then was only (relevant) CO2 and Carbonates.
So, Photosynth. etc. has liberated by now ~21% free O2 into the
air: That translates into ~1E+21 gr or ~1E+15 tons of available
O2. So, each 32 gr of O2 buried somewhere 12-14 gr = 1 C (max
CH4). Hence, there is 1E+21 * 12/32 = 5E+20 gr or ~ 5.E+14
tons of fossil C in store. So, at a current use/consumption/burning
of 3E+15 gr/yr of oil, the fossil stuff (coal, oil & CH4) will be
reoxydised in 5E+20 gr / 3E+15 gr/yr =~ 1.5E+05 years!
>
So, even at a ***1% *** availability of this resource estimate
the "we are running out of oil" "End of the oil age", or "Peak oil",
may have some gravitas only in 1500 years from now!... ahaha..
and no EARLIER than in 150'000 years from now, when the next
ice age has come and gone, and the green fuckers are not even
a foot note in history anymore, will all the fossil C be burned off.
>
------- The C&CH politics ------- [2]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/2084d8f1e6393226
They have told you quite openly how cleverly they manipulate
the fuel market ever since 1917. Back then they killed the first
green (solar water heat) wave, by simply providing cheaper
and more reliable energy: oil.... all the way to another cycle
when during the Israeli precipitated oil embargo in ~1971/73
OPEC's Sheik Ahmad Zaki al-Yamani (Saudi's oil minister)
appeared for weeks on all the TV news- and Talk-show
circuits in the US and openly declared that anybody who
thinks that they'll be able to threaten the oil interests is
kidding himself, ....because the moment anybody is
becoming a threat to the oil boys they simply do flood the
market with cheap oil and bankrupt the investors of/in/with
green "renewable & sustainable" energy gismos.
As soon as the "alternative energy" competition is killed off
the oil boys announce that Peak Oil is just around the corner
& the price at the pump and their profits go up.... ahahahaha...
>
---- Current C&CH events:
So, Bush went onto his epic 2008 journey into the ME to ease
the pain at the gas pump in the US... ahaha... Manipulated by
the Neocons (=US-Zionists), as he always is, Bush 1st went to
the Holey Land, the chief parasite of the USA, kissed kike-ass
there, ridiculed his possible presidential successor, whilst they
expanded their "settlements" in their classical way like here:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM> or here
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f>
>
With that "success" in hand, "Bush, the Brilliant", went to see his
old ass-venter buddies in Mecca, who promptly gave him the
finger & coyly reminded him that the 9/11-2001 team consisted
of 19 Saudis, not Iraqis and not Afghans, but Saudi's who were
sent by the Saudi royalty to deliver a message as a signal that
they didn't like Bushs' extreme politics of kike-ass-licking. Bush
of course kept on sucking off Neocon dicks upon which the
Saudis told the US military on 2/23-2003 to leave their land of
Sunni ass-venters... --- ... and so, after 5 more years of Bush's
unrelenting Jew-dick sucking ... Bush had the phantasm to get
back to the Saudis with a Yarmulke in his hand & he expected
to get relief from them... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... whilst
at the same times the kikes in the US ran TV commercials
saying: "Thank you, US, for helping Israel in a time of need"...
ahahahaha.. You must hand it to the Jews... ahahahaha...
Now Willie, you being an emotional cyber nobody, I can & do
understand your frustration with the situation, especially when
your own president is as useless as you are in influencing or
changing and much less controlling the situation, because of
opposing forces within his own government.... ahahahaha....
>
So Willie, you sound very patriotic and that is commendable.
You are a good man, Willie, and I wish you good luck... to
remind you from time to time that NOTHING gets solved nor
resolved on the UseNet. This is entertainment!... And if you do
believe differently... cool!... because then you will become,
like VD Scotty, the butt of my jokes and a source for my laughs....
So, keep up with in your endeavors... and I wish you well.
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson
hanson
May 22, 2008, 12:17:54 AM5/22/08
to
::::: "Global oil demand has increased only by 1% last year,
::::: So why has the oil price risen by 200% in that same time"?....>
>
<Willie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7eabe722-3031-41d8...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> <Willie.Moo...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Basically, we replace the control regime that failed on 9/11
> > with a newer more robust control regime to re-establish
> > US global hegemony.
>
Scott Nudds aka VD-Scotty, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> Ahahahahahaha... AmeriKKKa is already being squashed like a bug.
>
<Willie.Moo...@gmail.com> wrote
No its not.
>
Scott Nudds aka VD-Scotty, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:>
> AmeriKKKa is both incompetent and powerless. Uncle Sam
> can't even get the water running after 5 years of trying,
> in a nation like Iraq.
>
<Willie.Moo...@gmail.com> wrote
Why do you presume the USA wants this? Weren't we the
ones that knocked the water out in the first place?
>
Scott Nudds aka VD-Scotty, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> AmeriKKKa is the most hated nation on earth,
>
<Willie.Moo...@gmail.com> wrote
No we're not.
>
Scott Nudds aka VD-Scotty, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> and rightly so.
>
<Willie.Moo...@gmail.com> wrote
Utter rot.
>
Scott Nudds aka VD-Scotty, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> Even AmeriKKKa's "friends" are telling it to go fuck itself.
>
<Willie.Moo...@gmail.com> wrote
No they're not.
>
If you break the pills in half, and take them with some food
- you might not have these problems.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... ahahahaha... Willie Baby, I tend to agree with
your last 2 lines above, but then, from VD-Scotty's POV
he may justifiably say that YOU, Mookie, should take your
own turnip out of the sand... To boot, do consider there is
that thing called "different strokes for/by different folks"...
Keep on selling though, Mookie... ahahaha... ahahahaha...
>
There is NO real oil shortage... See below in [2] why:
The issue above has to do with Bush's latest [1] (see below)
trip and it is not clear why you can't see the causes and
the remedies for the current "oil war" in which we just lost
another battle as seen in the price hike of today to $136/bbl.
... issues which are making the talk-show-circuits right now
and ask yourself:
::::: "if global oil demand has increased only by 1% last year,
::::: so why has the oil price DOUBLED in that same time"?....
>
... ... & then on top of all that there's the fucking kike senator
Lieberman who is weighing in and advocating that you, me
and the rest of the US voters are so stupid that we should
not be allowed to see and read the Allah-trallallah-shmallah
propaganda shit from the ass-venting Al Qaeda goons.
Asshole Lieberman advocates that the tripe from/by the
ass-venters should be removed from the US web (YouTube)
so that only pin heads in govt agencies and US officials
like him would be allowed to read what our enemies have
to say --- Fuck that Jew notion! --- Lieberman is as bad in/with
trying to curtail our freedoms as are the terrorists !"
== 229,000 Gogle hits for ---[ Lieberman Schmidt ]----. ==
>
[1] ---- Current C&CH events:
So, Bush went onto his epic 2008 journey into the ME to ease
the pain at the gas pump in the US... ahaha... Manipulated by
the Neocons (=US-Zionists), as he always is, Bush 1st went to
the Holey Land, the chief parasite of the USA, kissed kike-ass
there, ridiculed his possible presidential successor, whilst they
expanded their "settlements" in their classical way like here:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM> or here
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f>
>
With that "success" in hand, "Bush, the Brilliant", went to see his
old ass-venter buddies in Mecca, who promptly gave him the
finger & coyly reminded him that the 9/11-2001 team consisted
of 19 Saudis, not Iraqis and not Afghans, but Saudi's who were
sent by the Saudi royalty to deliver a message as a signal that
they didn't like Bushs' extreme politics of kike-ass-licking. Bush
of course kept on sucking off Neocon dicks upon which the
Saudis told the US military on 2/23-2003 to leave their land of
Sunni ass-venters... --- ... and so, after 5 more years of Bush's
unrelenting Jew-dick sucking ... Bush had the phantasm to get
back to the Saudis with a Yarmulke in his hand & he expected
to get relief from them... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... whilst
at the same times the kikes in the US ran TV commercials
saying: "Thank you, US, for helping Israel in a time of need"...
>
some things to say about the machinations of the JerUSAlem
cockroaches... (= US Zionist Jews & Neocons whose first
loyalty belongs to Israel instead of the US) ... and that such
information may resonate with the US goyim & wake them up
to some facts that the Jews try to bury desperately... ahahaha...
ahahaha & thus:
>
Lieberman has sucsssfully invoked Sid Snead's axiom that says:
::S:: "I am sorry to hear that Sen. Lieberman is a Jew. I enjoy the
::S:: clarity of his writing, but will now have to treat his opinions
::S:: as suspect, since, being a Jew, he believes that what is
::S:: good for Jews is more important than the truth."
>
ahahahaha.. You must hand it to the Jews... ahahahaha...
>
>
>
[2] ------The C&CH reserves -----------
Initially, "they" say the earth had an anaerobic envelope ~0 % O2.
At hand back then was only (relevant) CO2 and Carbonates.
So, Photosynth. etc. has liberated by now ~21% free O2 into the
air: That translates into ~1E+21 gr or ~1E+15 tons of available
O2. So, each 32 gr of O2 buried somewhere 12-14 gr = 1 C (max
CH4). Hence, there is 1E+21 * 12/32 = 5E+20 gr or ~ 5.E+14
tons of fossil C in store. So, at a current use/consumption/burning
of 3E+15 gr/yr of oil, the fossil stuff (coal, oil & CH4) will be
reoxydised in 5E+20 gr / 3E+15 gr/yr =~ 1.5E+05 years!
>
So, even at a ***1% *** availability of this resource estimate
the "we are running out of oil" "End of the oil age", or "Peak oil",
may have some gravitas only in 1500 years from now!... ahaha..
and no EARLIER than in 150'000 years from now, when the next
ice age has come and gone, and the green fuckers are not even
a foot note in history anymore, will all the fossil C be burned off.
>
------- The C&CH politics -------
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
May 23, 2008, 11:25:10 AM5/23/08
to
hanson wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/2084d8f1e6393226
> They have told you quite openly how cleverly they manipulate
> the fuel market ever since 1917. Back then they killed the first
> green (solar water heat) wave, by simply providing cheaper
> and more reliable energy: oil.... all the way to another cycle
> when during the Israeli precipitated oil embargo in ~1971/73
> OPEC's Sheik Ahmad Zaki al-Yamani (Saudi's oil minister)
> appeared for weeks on all the TV news- and Talk-show
> circuits in the US and openly declared that anybody who
> thinks that they'll be able to threaten the oil interests is
> kidding himself, ....because the moment anybody is
> becoming a threat to the oil boys they simply do flood the
> market with cheap oil and bankrupt the investors of/in/with
> green "renewable & sustainable" energy gismos.
> As soon as the "alternative energy" competition is killed off
> the oil boys announce that Peak Oil is just around the corner
> & the price at the pump and their profits go up.... ahahahaha...
I think they are going to be screwed this time around.
In S Europe solar PV is already price comparable with domestic mains.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
hanson
May 24, 2008, 2:12:27 PM5/24/08
to
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:69o5ujF...@mid.individual.net...
>
hanson injects:
Is it cheaper to change the lifestyle of some 4 billion people
(EU, US, IN, CH etc) by preaching.... or to force a change
of the behavior in a pitiful fraction of 0.6% of that 4 billion,
in some 25 million Iraqis? ...
>
hanson wrote earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/2084d8f1e6393226
They have told you quite openly how cleverly they manipulate
the fuel market ever since 1917. Back then they killed the first
green (solar water heat) wave, by simply providing cheaper
and more reliable energy: oil.... all the way to another cycle
when during the Israeli precipitated oil embargo in ~1971/73
OPEC's Sheik Ahmad Zaki al-Yamani (Saudi's oil minister)
appeared for weeks on all the TV news- and Talk-show
circuits in the US and openly declared that anybody who
thinks that they'll be able to threaten the oil interests is
kidding himself, ....because the moment anybody is
becoming a threat to the oil boys they simply do flood the
market with cheap oil and bankrupt the investors of/in/with
green "renewable & sustainable" energy gismos.
As soon as the "alternative energy" competition is killed off
the oil boys announce that Peak Oil is just around the corner
& the price at the pump and their profits go up.... ahahahaha...
>
>
hanson wrote:
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/bb4dbe2a7fac0a34>
.... ahahaha... I truly hope that your remote viewing will
turn out to be correct AFA PV etc vs. oil is concerned.
But consider a few things, like
>
::: "Global oil demand has increased only by 1% last year,
::: So why has the oil price risen by 200% in that same time"?...
>
They, the oil boys will not give up their cozy position of power
and control easily . --- Look, the oil situation is utterly political:
>
(1) in the 1970's the Arabs turned off the oil tap to protest
and to send a message to the US (and EU) to change, in their
view, the pathological foreign policy of the West towards them,
the Arabs, in favor of Israel, the chief parasite of the USA.
>
(2) in 2001's the Arabs sent another message with the same
intent on 9/11.....
>
(3) from 2007 on the Arabs sent yet a message once more.
But instead of turning off the oil tap fully, they simply said:
"Let the dumb fucking goyim PAY US, THE ARABS, for their
love of and their dependency on the Jews... We'll see how
much and how long the gyoim will carry that Jewish yoke &
burden.. while we rake in the dough"... ahaha... AHAHA...
>
That's how the situation apparently is viewed by the Arabs
and realized by a few goyim in the street who have not bought
into the Zionist propaganda shit of endless KZ TV movies about
the Holocaust. --- The folks in charge of affairs, they view things
differently which one can see when one goes back to WWII
where one can detect the origins of the **current** oil game.
>
Said... Cordell Hull, U.S. Secretary of State, August 1943:
"Likewise, from a more directly selfish point of view, it is to
our interest that no great power be established on the Persian
Gulf opposite the important American petroleum development
in Saudi Arabia. Therefore, the United States should adopt a
policy of positive action in Iran."
>
.... To do that trick and to get to that goal the Amis "stole" the
BP assets in Iran from the Brits, who were folding their global
empire anyway and in the process gave up Palestine in 1947.
>
To fill this vacuum the US saw a chance to USE the Jews, with
their fetish for Israel, to establish there a 2nd beach head &
front in the ME to advance US influence & US interests.
>
But that regional game there with quarreling Jews and Arabs
did not quite work so well, so the US cultivated the Palevi Shah
Dynasty in Iran in the 1950's which lead to the debacle we are
in today... where there are: Ass-venters vs Kikes vs Bible-
beaters ... or Bible beaters vs Ass-venters vs Kikes ... or
Kikes vs Bible beaters vs Ass-venters... or any other combo
you can think of... ahahahaha...
>
That game will change abruptly if and when Iraq is pacified
(with Mc Cain's vision of a 100 year's of US presence there)
and puts the US again in control over that oil... at which time,
if successful, the US will shed the preferential treatment for
Israel --- (& the $3-7 Billion aid each year for the last 60 years
extorted off the tables from poor American families) ---- since
that parasite will no longer serve the national interests of the US.
ahahaha...
>
Meanwhile, don't forget that the peasantry always is forced to
pays for the tickets, with their money and their blood, for all
these "God & Patriot" games. But there is also easy and
plenty of money to made, even if you only can start off with
a few hundred dollars of your savings to invest.
------- The oil is $$ green, man ---------
>
With all the yearnings by the Greenies for a lifestyle that is not
dependant on oil ask yourself what is the most economocal
way to achieve that?
>
Is it cheaper to change the lifestyle of some 4 billion people
(EU, US, IN, CH etc) .... or to force a change in the behavior
in only 25 million Iraqis? ... 25 million is 0.6% of the 4 billion
peopel affected. -- That's how the big boys in the oil biz view
the world. --- Leverage man, leverage... ahahaha....
news:69o5ujF...@mid.individual.net...
>
hanson injects:
Is it cheaper to change the lifestyle of some 4 billion people
(EU, US, IN, CH etc) by preaching.... or to force a change
of the behavior in a pitiful fraction of 0.6% of that 4 billion,
in some 25 million Iraqis? ...
>
hanson wrote earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/2084d8f1e6393226
They have told you quite openly how cleverly they manipulate
the fuel market ever since 1917. Back then they killed the first
green (solar water heat) wave, by simply providing cheaper
and more reliable energy: oil.... all the way to another cycle
when during the Israeli precipitated oil embargo in ~1971/73
OPEC's Sheik Ahmad Zaki al-Yamani (Saudi's oil minister)
appeared for weeks on all the TV news- and Talk-show
circuits in the US and openly declared that anybody who
thinks that they'll be able to threaten the oil interests is
kidding himself, ....because the moment anybody is
becoming a threat to the oil boys they simply do flood the
market with cheap oil and bankrupt the investors of/in/with
green "renewable & sustainable" energy gismos.
As soon as the "alternative energy" competition is killed off
the oil boys announce that Peak Oil is just around the corner
& the price at the pump and their profits go up.... ahahahaha...
>
Dirk wrote:
I think they are going to be screwed this time around. In S Europe solar
PV is already price comparable with domestic mains.
> DirkI think they are going to be screwed this time around. In S Europe solar
PV is already price comparable with domestic mains.
>
hanson wrote:
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/bb4dbe2a7fac0a34>
.... ahahaha... I truly hope that your remote viewing will
turn out to be correct AFA PV etc vs. oil is concerned.
But consider a few things, like
>
::: "Global oil demand has increased only by 1% last year,
::: So why has the oil price risen by 200% in that same time"?...
>
and control easily . --- Look, the oil situation is utterly political:
>
(1) in the 1970's the Arabs turned off the oil tap to protest
and to send a message to the US (and EU) to change, in their
view, the pathological foreign policy of the West towards them,
the Arabs, in favor of Israel, the chief parasite of the USA.
>
(2) in 2001's the Arabs sent another message with the same
intent on 9/11.....
>
(3) from 2007 on the Arabs sent yet a message once more.
But instead of turning off the oil tap fully, they simply said:
"Let the dumb fucking goyim PAY US, THE ARABS, for their
love of and their dependency on the Jews... We'll see how
much and how long the gyoim will carry that Jewish yoke &
burden.. while we rake in the dough"... ahaha... AHAHA...
>
That's how the situation apparently is viewed by the Arabs
and realized by a few goyim in the street who have not bought
into the Zionist propaganda shit of endless KZ TV movies about
the Holocaust. --- The folks in charge of affairs, they view things
differently which one can see when one goes back to WWII
where one can detect the origins of the **current** oil game.
>
Said... Cordell Hull, U.S. Secretary of State, August 1943:
"Likewise, from a more directly selfish point of view, it is to
our interest that no great power be established on the Persian
Gulf opposite the important American petroleum development
in Saudi Arabia. Therefore, the United States should adopt a
policy of positive action in Iran."
>
.... To do that trick and to get to that goal the Amis "stole" the
BP assets in Iran from the Brits, who were folding their global
empire anyway and in the process gave up Palestine in 1947.
>
To fill this vacuum the US saw a chance to USE the Jews, with
their fetish for Israel, to establish there a 2nd beach head &
front in the ME to advance US influence & US interests.
>
But that regional game there with quarreling Jews and Arabs
did not quite work so well, so the US cultivated the Palevi Shah
Dynasty in Iran in the 1950's which lead to the debacle we are
in today... where there are: Ass-venters vs Kikes vs Bible-
beaters ... or Bible beaters vs Ass-venters vs Kikes ... or
Kikes vs Bible beaters vs Ass-venters... or any other combo
you can think of... ahahahaha...
>
That game will change abruptly if and when Iraq is pacified
(with Mc Cain's vision of a 100 year's of US presence there)
and puts the US again in control over that oil... at which time,
if successful, the US will shed the preferential treatment for
Israel --- (& the $3-7 Billion aid each year for the last 60 years
extorted off the tables from poor American families) ---- since
that parasite will no longer serve the national interests of the US.
ahahaha...
>
Meanwhile, don't forget that the peasantry always is forced to
pays for the tickets, with their money and their blood, for all
these "God & Patriot" games. But there is also easy and
plenty of money to made, even if you only can start off with
a few hundred dollars of your savings to invest.
------- The oil is $$ green, man ---------
>
With all the yearnings by the Greenies for a lifestyle that is not
dependant on oil ask yourself what is the most economocal
way to achieve that?
>
Is it cheaper to change the lifestyle of some 4 billion people
(EU, US, IN, CH etc) .... or to force a change in the behavior
in only 25 million Iraqis? ... 25 million is 0.6% of the 4 billion
peopel affected. -- That's how the big boys in the oil biz view
the world. --- Leverage man, leverage... ahahaha....
But never forget that every action that is taken in the real world
has unintended consequences... by courtesy of Uncle Murphy.
.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Uncle Ben
May 26, 2008, 10:57:32 AM5/26/08
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(1) E85 in flex-fuel cars results in much lower air pollution.
Measured NOx emissions from flex-fuel cars is about 50% of that from
other cars. Particulates are almost nil. (If you actually read the
Jacobson paper, you will find his conclusions don't match his
analysis. If you don't know the paper, forget about it.)
(2) Most of the increase in world food prices is because of energy
costs to the farmer and to the fertilizer manufacturer, which have
doubled, at least, over the last few years. Diversion of corn to fuel
production accounts for only 5% of the increase, according to a study
by the US Dept. of Agriculture.
Ben
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
May 26, 2008, 4:21:11 PM5/26/08
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hanson wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:69o5ujF...@mid.individual.net...
> hanson injects:
> Is it cheaper to change the lifestyle of some 4 billion people
> (EU, US, IN, CH etc) by preaching.... or to force a change
> of the behavior in a pitiful fraction of 0.6% of that 4 billion,
> in some 25 million Iraqis? ...
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:69o5ujF...@mid.individual.net...
> hanson injects:
> Is it cheaper to change the lifestyle of some 4 billion people
> (EU, US, IN, CH etc) by preaching.... or to force a change
> of the behavior in a pitiful fraction of 0.6% of that 4 billion,
> in some 25 million Iraqis? ...
It's going to be a question of money v money.
The estimated market for domestic PV running matching mains electricity
costs is around 1500GW for the OECD nations by 2010.
--
Dirk
Bret Cahill
May 26, 2008, 5:16:59 PM5/26/08
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> > Assuming combustion temperatures don't drop too much, the higher
> > compression ratio possible with alcohol may increase NOx
> > compression ratio possible with alcohol may increase NOx
> (1) E85 in flex-fuel cars results in much lower air pollution.
And "flex fuel" is the key term. The compression ratio is really
designed for gasoline, not ethanol. Ethanol works in a flex fuel
engine but not as well as in an ethanol only engine.
As soon as they start using _only_ EtOH or _only_ E85 they will want
to exploit the higher compression ratios possible with EtOH.
> Measured NOx emissions from flex-fuel cars is about 50% of that from
> other cars. Particulates are almost nil. (If you actually read the
> Jacobson paper, you will find his conclusions don't match his
> analysis. If you don't know the paper, forget about it.)
>
> (2) Most of the increase in world food prices is because of energy
> costs to the farmer and to the fertilizer manufacturer, which have
> doubled, at least, over the last few years. �Diversion of corn to fuel
> production accounts for only 5% of the increase, according to a study
> by the US Dept. of Agriculture.
No argument one way or other there.
Bret Cahill
Dan Bloomquist
May 26, 2008, 10:25:35 PM5/26/08
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hanson wrote:
<snip>
You get points for putting V and Billie in their place. But you will
have to cite the source of all this excess production that you elude to.
There is cake, and there is eating it. If you have both, do point it out.
hanson
May 26, 2008, 11:05:02 PM5/26/08
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"Dan Bloomquist" <publ...@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
news:uiK_j.1934$9b1....@fe127.usenetserver.com...
>
hanson wrote:
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/8b67fce923b56a19 >
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/0aa53c5ef7317f6b >
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy/msg/bb4dbe2a7fac0a34 >
<snip>
>
"Dan Bloomquist" <publ...@lakeweb.com> wrote
.... ahahahaha... But Dan, I am here just for fun and not to put
anybody "in their place"... ... I must admit though that I have
extraordinary fun with winding up fanatics who honestly believe
that they are making global policy and influence the behavior,
environmental, political or religious, of the world's population,
with their tripe in their own posts here on the Usenet... ahahaha.
Thanks for the kind words though, Dan.
ahahaha... ahahahanson
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