Yes, there is a Peak Oil--OIL HAS PEAKED
raylopez99
RL
Discovery Paves the Way to an Oil Peak
By Jim Cramer
RealMoney.com Columnist
9/5/2006 11:47 AM EDT
An oil discovery worth noting -- hallelujah! From the beginning of this
historic run in oil, I have said that you will not get a peak until we
discover more oil and oil companies can flood the market with oil
that's in safe, non-political areas.
Like the Gulf of Mexico.
And we finally got some, this Gulf discovery by Chevron (CVX - news -
Cramer's Take), Devon (DVN - news - Cramer's Take) and Statoil (STO -
news - Cramer's Take), deep under the waters covering the Jack field.
What's important about this find -- beside the fact that I have been
buying Devon aggressively for Action Alerts PLUS! -- is that I believe
this will be the first of many finds that would have seemed uneconomic
three or four years ago. Some oil companies, notably the two main ones
involved here, Chevron and Devon, have been big believers that oil is
going higher. Devon's been saying that for a half-dozen years. Chevron
bought Unocal, a sign that it surely believes things are going higher.
Both companies were thrilled to be drilling in a place that was long
known to have oil, but oil that was considered too expensive to drill
for.
No longer
hanson
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> [Re: NEW **HUGE**OIL DISCOVERY IN THE MEX GULF]
> Say's Law: supply meets demand. Same as it ever was.
> RL
>
I am continuously impressed by the oil boys of how cleverly
the manipulate the fuel market ever since 1917. Back then
they killed the first green (solar water heat) wave, by simply
providing cheaper and more reliable energy: oil.... all the
way to another cycle when during the Israeli precipitated oil
embargo in ~1971/73 OPEC's Sheik Ahmad Zaki al-Yamani
(Saudi's oil minister) appeared for weeks on all the TV
news- and talk circuits in the US and openly declared that
anybody who thinks that they'll be able to threaten the oil
interests is kidding himself, ....because the moment anybody
is becoming a threat to the oil boys they simply do flood the
market with cheap oil and bankrupt the investors of/in/with
green "renewable & sustainable" energy gismos.
As soon as the "alternative energy" competition is killed off
the oil boys announce that Peak Oil is just around the corner
& the price at the pump and their profits go up.... ahahahaha.....
What is so hilariously funny in this game are the loudmouthed
paranoid, doom spreading environmentalists who are so fucking
stupid in their greed and fanaticism that they do not realize that
with their green doom whining (GW, AGW etc) they are playing
directly into the pockets and wallets of the oil boys... AHAHAHA..
If all those green idiots wish to overcome their nemesis, then
they better come up with more then their quasi-scientific crock
of climate change and their permit charges, user fees, enviro
surtaxes and carbon taxes, for the simple reason: If it gets hot
then the oil boys will sell oil to run the air conditionners. And if
the Iceman cometh again then the oil boys are there to fuel the
furnaces. So, the worse the conjured up "potential of climate
change is "potentially" gonna be the more we (can/have to)
depend on the oil boys.... ahahaha... What do you little green
idiots have to offer against that?... AHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
If you little green idiots ever wake up from your gaja dreams &
get off your extortion scams (the latest one by Arnold Schw.)
you will realize that this peak oil or more precisely the fossil
fuel peak (CH4, H(CH2)xH and C,) of gas, oil and coal will only
come along, long after GW AND the next ice age is over and
gone. You green twits would know that if you had paid attention
in Chem 101, wherein it should have become clear to you fools
that no-one should hope/fear for fossil fuels to get scarce or to
run out! === Not a chance === Ain't gonna happen === Listen:.
Initially, "they" say the earth had an anaerobic envelope ~0 % O2.
Present back then was only (relevant) CO2 and Carbonates.
So, Photosynth. etc. has liberated by now ~21% free O2 into the
air: That translates into ~1E+21 gr or ~1E+15 tons of available
O2. So, each 32 gr O2 buried somewhere 12-14 gr = 1 C (max
CH4). Hence, there is 1E+21 * 12/32 = 5E+20 gr or ~ 5.E+14
tons of fossil C in store. So, at a current use/consumption/burning
of 3E+15 gr/yr of oil, the fossil stuff will be reoxydised in 5E+20
gr / 3E+15 gr/yr =~ 1.5E+05 years! Alas, no EARLIER than in
150'000 years from now will all the fossil carbon be burned off.
>
...and against that fundamental condition of mother earth you
green bastards have nothing better than AGW, blaming people?
Of course people contribute to GW especially you phony green
morons, since the last one of you green shits is gonna turn on the
HVAC when the climate conditions become extreme.... ahahahaha...
You green bastards are worse then worst oil boy. At least he
is honest and gives something in return for your money. But
you green swine are lowly thieves who one sell fear by this scam:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
ahahaha... ahahahanson
-------------- Orig. cited by Prof. Lopez -----------
> Discovery Paves the Way to an Oil Peak
> By Jim Cramer, RealMoney.com Columnist
raylopez99
You are like a scientific Captain Kurtz. Like the character in
Apocalypse Now played by Marlon Brando!
RL
Kurtz - Kurtz is the chief of the Inner Station and has become almost
legendary due to his genius and his station's superior ivory
production. Marlow makes it his goal to find Kurtz because he feels
they share a similar passion for the wilderness. As the novel
progresses, however, it becomes apparent that Kurtz is not altogether
"with it." Years of living in the jungle have made him savage and
fanatical. It is partly due to this savagery that the natives of the
Congo revere him as a godlike being. Kurtz is in poor health by the
time Marlow encounters him.(Kurtz)
Remember this analogy: Kurtz is the man who jumps off the edge of
sanity and plunges into the darkness of insanity. Marlow is the man who
goes to the edge of sanity, looks over the edge, and has enough
strength not to go over to the other side. Of course, he is changed
because of it.
hanson wrote:
WISE, WISE, WISE! Amazing.
donsto...@hotmail.com
But that was just a work of fiction.
I'm really piqued over this peak oil thing.
hanson
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> Brilliant AHAHAHA Hanson! Your most brilliant post yet!
>
[Ray]
> WISE, WISE, WISE! Amazing.
>
[hanson]
ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha... ahahaha....
------- so, I do cast shadows, after all ----------
Amazing! Your piece was balsam for my soul.
Thanks for the laughs, Ray. ... ahahaha... hanson
schoenf...@gmail.com
hanson wrote:
> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157481681.9...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > [Re: NEW **HUGE**OIL DISCOVERY IN THE MEX GULF]
> > Say's Law: supply meets demand. Same as it ever was.
> > RL
> >
> [hanson]
> I am continuously impressed by the oil boys of how cleverly
Peak Oil is a hoax. A cursory glance at Oil inventories reveals an
increasing number. Even puppet Saudi/Kuwait regimes report constant oil
reserves for the last 30 years. Oil may have not even have a biogenic
origin, but arise naturally through abiongenic processes.
hanson
news:1157781492.8...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157481681.9...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > [Re: NEW **HUGE**OIL DISCOVERY IN THE MEX GULF]
>> > Say's Law: supply meets demand. Same as it ever was.
>> > RL
>> >
>> [hanson]
>> they manipulate the fuel market ever since 1917.
>
[Schoenfeld]
> Peak Oil is a hoax. A cursory glance at Oil inventories reveals
> an increasing number. Even puppet Saudi/Kuwait regimes report
> Oil may have not even have a biogenic origin, but arise naturally
>
[hanson]
... [1] ... Right! Their manipulations to maximize profits is superb.
What you mention above is directed at speculators and investors.
OTOH, to placate the consumer, right here in the US, during the
1971 Israeli precipitated oil crisis, the oil companies sent reps out
into High schools making the case for and selling the "end of oil".
... [2] .... AFAIK... that is still a hotly debated issue "fueled" by the
not so successful attempt to prove that by Thomas Gold in Sweden.
>
>> [hanson]
>> I am continuously impressed by the oil boys of how cleverly
schoenf...@gmail.com
The modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of abiogenic petroleum origins was
invented over 60 years ago by various Russian and Ukrainian scientists.
Thomas Gold merely plagiarsed the work of these people without
attribution or approporiate references.
A chemical basis for the abiotic petroleum process is the
serpentinization of peridotite, beginning with methanogenesis via
hydrolysis of olivine into serpentine in the presence of carbon
dioxide. Olivine, composed of Forsterite and Fayalite metamorphoses
into serpentine, magnetite and silica by the following reactions, with
silica from fayalite decomposition (reaction 1a) feeding into the
forsterite reaction (1b).
Reaction 1a:
Fayalite + water → Magnetite + aquaeous silica
3Fe_2SiO_4 + 2H_2O \rarr 2Fe_3O_4 + 3SiO_2
Reaction 1b:
Forsterite + aqueous silica → Serpentinite
3Mg_2SiO_4 + SiO_2 + 2H_2O \rarr 2Mg_3[Si_2O_5(OH_4)]
When this reaction occurs in the presence of dissolved carbon dioxide
(carbonic acid) at temperatures above 500°C Reaction 2a takes place.
Reaction 2a:
Olivine + Water + Carbonic acid → Serpentine + Magnetite + Methane
3(Fe,Mg)_2SiO_4 + nH_2O + HCO_3 \rarr 2Mg_3[Si_2O_5(OH_4)] +
2Fe_3O_4 + H_2O + CH_4
However, reaction 2(b) is just as likely, and supported by the presence
of abundant talc-carbonate schists and magnesite stringer veins in many
serpentinised peridotites;
Reaction 2b:
Olivine + Water + Carbonic acid → Serpentine + Magnetite + Magnesite
+ Silica
4(Fe,Mg)_2SiO_4 + nH_2O + HCO_3 \rarr 2Mg_3[Si_2O_5(OH_4)] +
2Fe_3O_4 + 2MgCO_3 + SiO_2 + H_2O
The upgrading of methane to higher n-alkane hydrocarbons is via
dehydrogenation of methane in the presence of catalyst transition
metals (e.g. Fe, Ni). This can be termed spinel hydrolysis.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin]
alanm...@yahoo.com
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
> schoenf...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Peak Oil is a hoax. A cursory glance at Oil inventories reveals an
> > increasing number. Even puppet Saudi/Kuwait regimes report constant oil
> > reserves for the last 30 years. Oil may have not even have a biogenic
> > origin, but arise naturally through abiongenic processes.
>
>
He gets the idea from H. Gold, the cosmologist-
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.07/gold_pr.html
If Gold is wrong, the CO2 buldup wll soon take care of itself.
AGWers need only be concerned if Gold is right- . A. McIntire
hanson
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news:1157781492.8...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >> "raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157481681.9...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > [Re: NEW **HUGE**OIL DISCOVERY IN THE MEX GULF]
> >> > Say's Law: supply meets demand. Same as it ever was.
> >> > RL
> >> >
> >> [hanson]
> >> I am continuously impressed by the oil boys of how cleverly...
> >> they manipulate the fuel market ever since 1917.
> >
> [Schoenfeld]
> > Peak Oil is a hoax. A cursory glance at Oil inventories reveals
> > an increasing number. Even puppet Saudi/Kuwait regimes report
> > constant oil reserves for the last 30 years. [1]
> > Oil may have not even have a biogenic origin, but arise naturally
> > through abiongenic processes. [2]
>
> [hanson]
> ... [1] ... Right! Their manipulations to maximize profits is superb.
> What you mention above is directed at speculators and investors.
> OTOH, to placate the consumer, right here in the US, during the
> 1971 Israeli precipitated oil crisis, the oil companies sent reps out
> into High schools making the case for and selling the "end of oil".
>
> ... [2] .... AFAIK... that is still a hotly debated issue "fueled" by the
> not so successful attempt to prove that by Thomas Gold in Sweden.
>
[2] The modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of abiogenic
petroleum origins was invented over 60 years ago by various
Russian and Ukrainian scientists. Thomas Gold merely plagiarsed
the work of these people without attribution or approporiate references.
>
.... ahahaha... Did TG do that now?... ahahahaha... Such an MO
though is routinely practiced by a lot of chosen ones... ahahaha...
OTOH, this behavior gives publicity to otherwise disregarded
processes and events... What can I tell ya. I didn't make this world.
>
[hanson]
Schoenfeld, thanks for your posting below. Bitchen!. Good man!
Consider the combined (biotic and abiotic) reservoir of potentially
recoverable HC that yields. Like you said, any peak oil prediction
is a hoax at worst ..... and/or a clever marketing tool at best....
>
[Schoenfeld]
A chemical basis for the abiotic petroleum process is the
serpentinization of peridotite, beginning with methanogenesis via
hydrolysis of olivine into serpentine in the presence of carbon
dioxide. Olivine, composed of Forsterite and Fayalite metamorphoses
into serpentine, magnetite and silica by the following reactions, with
silica from fayalite decomposition (reaction 1a) feeding into the
forsterite reaction (1b).
Reaction 1a:
Fayalite + water ? Magnetite + aquaeous silica
3Fe_2SiO_4 + 2H_2O \rarr 2Fe_3O_4 + 3SiO_2
Reaction 1b:
Forsterite + aqueous silica ? Serpentinite
3Mg_2SiO_4 + SiO_2 + 2H_2O \rarr 2Mg_3[Si_2O_5(OH_4)]
When this reaction occurs in the presence of dissolved carbon dioxide
(carbonic acid) at temperatures above 500°C Reaction 2a takes place.
Reaction 2a:
Olivine + Water + Carbonic acid ? Serpentine + Magnetite + Methane
3(Fe,Mg)_2SiO_4 + nH_2O + HCO_3 \rarr 2Mg_3[Si_2O_5(OH_4)] +
2Fe_3O_4 + H_2O + CH_4
However, reaction 2(b) is just as likely, and supported by the presence
of abundant talc-carbonate schists and magnesite stringer veins in many
serpentinised peridotites;
Reaction 2b:
Olivine + Water + Carbonic acid ? Serpentine + Magnetite + Magnesite
+ Silica
4(Fe,Mg)_2SiO_4 + nH_2O + HCO_3 \rarr 2Mg_3[Si_2O_5(OH_4)] +
2Fe_3O_4 + 2MgCO_3 + SiO_2 + H_2O
The upgrading of methane to higher n-alkane hydrocarbons is via
dehydrogenation of methane in the presence of catalyst transition
metals (e.g. Fe, Ni). This can be termed spinel hydrolysis.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin]
>
[hanson]
.. it makes sense to liken these abiotic processes ( as it says
in wiki), to "natural analogs of the Fischer-Tropsch process "
Thanks again for the hints and refs, Schoenfeld]
Phil Hays
> If Gold is wrong, the CO2 buldup wll soon take care of itself.
"Soon", as in the geologic soon, like less than a million years.
--
Phil Hays
schoenf...@gmail.com
http://www.gasresources.net/Plagiarism(Overview).htm
The attempted plagiarism by T. Gold of the modern Russian-Ukrainian
theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins.
This page is written in order to clear up certain
misunderstandings connected with the provenance, and authorship, of the
modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins.
Everything about the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic
petroleum origins is extraordinary. Not only has this extensive body
of scientific knowledge permitted the Russian nation, which had been
previously petroleum-poor, to achieve energy independence, but also
modern Russian petroleum science has been the subject of the most
daring attempt at plagiarism in the history of modern science.
Sometime during the late 1970's, a British-American,
one-time astronomer named Thomas Gold discovered the modern
Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins. Such was
not difficult to do, for there are many thousands of articles,
monographs, and books published in the mainstream Russian scientific
press on modern Russian petroleum science. Gold reads the Russian
language fluently.
In 1979, Gold began publishing the modern Russian-Ukrainian
theory of petroleum origins, as if such were his own ideas and without
giving credit to the Russian (then, Soviet) petroleum scientists from
whom he had taken the material. Gold tried to alter the modern
Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins with
notions of his own in order to conceal its provenance, and gave his
"ideas" the (very misleading) name the "deep gas theory."
Worse yet, Gold's alterations of modern Russian petroleum
science are utterly wrong. Specifically Gold's claims that there
exist large quantities of natural gas (methane) in the Earth at depths
of its mantle are completely wrong, - such claims are upside-down and
backwards. At the pressures of the mantle, methane is unstable, and
the hydrogen-carbon system there evolves the entire suite of heavier
hydrocarbons found in natural petroleum, in the Planck-type
distribution which characterizes natural petroleum. Methane at
pressures of the mantle of the Earth will decompose to evolve octane,
diesel oil, heavy lubricating oils, alkylbenzenes, and the compounds
found in natural petroleum. [These properties of the hydrogen-carbon
system have been described at greater length and rigor in a recent
article in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.1]
Regrettably, Gold is as ignorant of thermodynamics as he is of ethics.
A few moment's thought should have been given to the
reasonable probability that an astronomer, who had no previous
knowledge of petroleum or geology, and no experience in those fields,
might have independently thought up, all by himself, a formidably
extensive body of knowledge which itself resulted from the directed
work of many, many men and women of a large country with a splendid
scientific tradition, working over several decades. The notion
compares with the myth of Apollo springing fully-armed from the
forehead of Aphrodite. As the French say, "incroyable !"
A common saying goes that "imitation is the most sincere
form of flattery." Perhaps one might speculate that plagiarism is
somehow an even more sincere compliment. Not so. The plagiarism of
scientific work constitutes theft of a scientist's most precious
possessions.
Scientists very rarely garner wealth from their endeavors.
Science is usually done by its practitioners for the joy of discovery,
- and for the credit and standing gained among their peers as reward
for successful work. As one might expect, when the Russian petroleum
scientists learned of Thomas Gold's behavior, they were outraged.
They remain so today.
The men and women in the former U.S.S.R. who worked hard to
develop and enunciate the modern theory of abiotic petroleum origins
struggled under unusual difficulties throughout their lives. This
century has been very hard for every one born in the former U.S.S.R.
All of the contributors to the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of
abiotic hydrocarbon origins had to live through the worst of the
Communist period in their country, and almost all of them suffered the
terrible experiences of World War II. Their lives have been especially
hard. Now without exception they are all poor. To have had even what
little reward they deserved for their scientific work stolen from them
by plagiarism is especially disgusting.
Gold's attempts at plagiarism have not been restricted to
the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins.
Thomas Gold is a serial plagiarist. In the papers which are included
in the following pages, are to be found published complaints against
Gold for having plagiarized scientific research involving not only
modern Russian petroleum science [Krayushkin, U.S.S.R.], but also
bolide impacts [Denofrio, U.S.A.] and speculations on an hypothesized
agency of microbes for generating oil [Hunt, Canada].
A prairie lawyer named Abraham Lincoln once remarked, "you
can fool all the people some of the time, and there are even some
people whom you can fool all the time; but you can't fool all the
people, all the time." Thomas Gold has yet to learn.
1 J. F. Kenney, V. G. Kutcherov, N. A. Bendeliani and V. A.
Alekseev, "The evolution of multicomponent systems at high pressures:
VI. The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origins of petroleum," Proc.
Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A., 2002, 99, 10976-10981.
Specification of the plagiarism by Thomas Gold in the diverse
complaints of other scientists.
Letters from various scientists complaining of plagiarism by Thomas
Gold, and from Russian scientists rejecting paper(s) by Gold for
reasons of lack of originality and failure of attribution.
1. Letter of Dr. Richard A. Donofrio, Astro Geological Research, to
editor of Atlantic Monthly, complaining of plagiarism by Thomas Gold of
his [Donofrio's] work connected with bolide impact sites as potential
prospects for petroleum exploration, dated May 1986.
PDF version
2. Letter of John Briggs, Department of Journalism, Western
Connecticut State University, to Professor V. A. Krayushkin,
questioning the claims of Thomas Gold as originator of modern (Russian)
petroleum science, dated 15 December 1989.
PDF version.
3.
Letter of Professor V. A. Krayushkin, Institute of Geological Sciences,
National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, to John Briggs, specifying and
demonstrating the extent and sources of the plagiarism by Thomas Gold
of the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum
origins, dated 16 January 1990.
PDF version.
4.
Letter of Dr. C. Warren Hunt, Archean Petroleum, to Dr. Eugene Mallove,
editor of Infinite Energy, complaining of plagiarism by Thomas Gold of
his [Hunt's] ideas and speculations of a creation of petroleum by
microbial action, dated 01 August 1989.
PDF version.
5. Letter of Dr. I. N. Plotnikova, on behalf of the Organizing
Committee for the International Petroleum Conference commemorating the
semicentennial enunciation of modern petroleum science by N. A.
Kudryavtsev, held in Kazan June 2001, rejecting, for lack of
originality and failure to credit properly previous scientific work, a
paper which Thomas Gold had tried to insinuate into the Proceedings of
that conference.
PDF version.
Phil Hays
> Everything about the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic
> petroleum origins is extraordinary. Not only has this extensive body of
> scientific knowledge permitted the Russian nation, which had been
> previously petroleum-poor, to achieve energy independence, but also modern
> Russian petroleum science has been the subject of the most daring attempt
> at plagiarism in the history of modern science.
Modern meaning Soviet Union modern.
About as useful as Lysenkoism.
And about as out of date as both.
--
Phil Hays
alanm...@yahoo.com
No, soon as in the next few years- look up "Hubbert's Peak- A.
McIntire
alanm...@yahoo.com
You can copyright a book, but you can't copyright an idea. Those
Russians have no more right to cash in on the cosmological origins of
hydrocarbons hypothesis than Charles Darwin's heirs have to cash in on
the theory of evolution- A. McIntire
Phil Hays
> Phil Hays wrote:
>> alanmc95210 wrote:
>>
>> > If Gold is wrong, the CO2 buldup wll soon take care of itself.
>> "Soon", as in the geologic soon, like less than a million years.
> No, soon as in the next few years- look up "Hubbert's Peak
Coal.
--
Phil Hays
raylopez99
>
> You can copyright a book, but you can't copyright an idea. Those
> Russians have no more right to cash in on the cosmological origins of
> hydrocarbons hypothesis than Charles Darwin's heirs have to cash in on
> the theory of evolution- A. McIntire
They also want royalties on every AK-47 being made in the world.
Those clever Ruskies!
RL
Sponsored by OILY INC. Exxon-Koch
news:1157932359....@q16g2000cwq.googlegroups.com:
Are they willing to pay judgements on every AK-47 Wrongful Death Lawsuit
in the world too? There isn't enough money in the world for them to pay
all the damages.
Eric Swanson
>
>"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote :
>>
>>>
>>> You can copyright a book, but you can't copyright an idea. Those
>>> Russians have no more right to cash in on the cosmological origins of
>>> hydrocarbons hypothesis than Charles Darwin's heirs have to cash in on
>>> the theory of evolution- A. McIntire
>>
>> They also want royalties on every AK-47 being made in the world.
>>
>> Those clever Ruskies!
>in the world too? There isn't enough money in the world for them to pay
>all the damages.
Naaa, we'll just shoot all those Fundamentalists and let god sort'em out!
Isn't that why the U.S. defense budget amounts to almost $90/year for every
man/woman/child on Earth??
--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
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