faye,, pappy
peanut4040
my pin before i went up?
KNOWING very well, you beeen busting my balls for the past three
months on why my closing loop has been so loose???
you wanna tell me its my old lady? ONE of yall got to fess up???..
OR you just stimply want to admit that you did that "intentional"..
AND give me the prize of Pres of the trees. HONOR.
Give it to me WOMAN
brokeneagle
Your bridle was hanging out of yer container then, we tucked it back
in, but THAT wuz all we touched on yew, BOY. We did not check yer pin;
we trusted yew to do yer own. Yew should have seen/heard us looking
fer yer canopy amongst the others.... we were told by Eddie yew had
jumped, and were worried to death, an' about ready to set off on a
search-an-rescue when the plane landed and yew clambered out, holding
yer bag. Could've been worse.
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
airplane.
...bsrp
...jlk
brokeneagle
> >> months on why my closing loop has been so loose???
>
> >> Give it to me WOMAN
>
> >Your bridle was hanging out of yer container then, we tucked it back
> >in, but THAT wuz all we touched on yew, BOY. We did not check yer pin;
> >we trusted yew to do yer own. Yew should have seen/heard us looking
> >fer yer canopy amongst the others.... we were told by Eddie yew had
> >jumped, and were worried to death, an' about ready to set off on a
> >search-an-rescue when the plane landed and yew clambered out, holding
> >yer bag. Could've been worse.
>
> Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
> you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
> airplane.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
BTW, Pee-nut, John tells me the very reason it happened at all is that
yer dad-blasted closing loop WAS too long, yew jackass-
And give it UP already on becoming Tree #1. Yew ain't been ordained by
Father Fred. No one would recognize ye as such.
Give It Up.
Mike Spurgeon
> Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
> you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
> airplane.
Yeah. Keep thinking that...
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
What, you mean containers actually can come open in the airplane
despite a pincheck in the loading area? It doesn't make sense - I
mean, if it's good, it's good, right?
...bsrp
...jlk
Mike Spurgeon
You snag one moving around in the plane and find out.
That's why pin checks as well as touching all handles sometime prior to
or during exit are highly recommended.
I'm surprised you didn't know that...
peanut4040
My bad, before anyone starts slinging mud. I had a loose closing
loop, and was putting tightening up off. Just kept putting it off.
It finally told on me.
Mike Spurgeon
Nobody's slinging anything.
I did the same thing years ago.
Twice...
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
Actually, Mike - I was playing Dingleberry's Advocate and as a matter
of fact, there have been numerous instances where I have expressed
reasosns similar, if not the same as you just have, as an answer to
the Dingleberry "arguments" against the idea that pinchecks in the
aircraft are a good idea. Of course, his answer to this entirely not
impossible and very real supposition that a main container actually
can come open inside an aircraft, ~even with a prior~ pincheck in the
loading area, has often been, "you're just giving voice to your fear."
I'm with ya Mike and I agree - pinchecks in airplanes are not bad
ideas. Yo, Jinnie - seems the nut had a container come open in an
airplane and Mike, a long-time and very experienced skydiver, is
recommending pinchecks prior to exit. You wanna explain how checking
pins in airplanes is not a good idea or how people who advocate
pinchecks in aircraft are living in fear?
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
Did you check your pin in the loading area?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:57:19 GMT, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>
> >> Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
> >> you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
> >> airplane.
>
> >Yeah. Keep thinking that...
>
> What, you mean containers actually can come open in the airplane
> despite a pincheck in the loading area? It doesn't make sense - I
> mean, if it's good, it's good, right?
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Yeah it comes from a loose or otherwise bad closing loop and fooling
with your pin to much in a jostling crowd on a cramped jump plane
gerbil boy.
~Jerry's boo hoo story~
TWO MINUTE WARNING...." wait, my pin, my pin"
DOOR, "hold it, my pin, my pin"
READY, SET, GO!
"My pin, my pin--Go round, boo hoo boo hoo"
Being more professional means being ready gerbil boy! 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:19:09 -0700, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:57:19 GMT, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>
> >>>> Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
> >>>> you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
> >>>> airplane.
> >>> Yeah. Keep thinking that...
>
> >> What, you mean containers actually can come open in the airplane
> >> despite a pincheck in the loading area? It doesn't make sense - I
> >> mean, if it's good, it's good, right?
>
> >You snag one moving around in the plane and find out.
>
> >That's why pin checks as well as touching all handles sometime prior to
> >or during exit are highly recommended.
>
> >I'm surprised you didn't know that...
> Yo, Jinnie - seems the nut had a container come open in an
> airplane and Mike, a long-time and very experienced skydiver, is
> recommending pinchecks prior to exit. You wanna explain how checking
> pins in airplanes is not a good idea or how people who advocate
> pinchecks in aircraft are living in fear?
>
> ...bsrp
>
> - Show quoted text -
Replacing or tightening his loop when he first noticed a problem with
it in the packing area would have negated the need for a pincheck in a
crowded cabin unless he had been kicked in the back or caught his pin
flap on a protruding object. A simple pin check before putting the
ring on and perhaps a independent opinion before boarding will be
enough reassurance/insurance for a well maintained rig... (Sounds like
his loop was so loose, checking it could have caused it to fall
out).beyond that its mostly in your head and you are simply projecting
fear girlyboy. Learn to check your own pin by feel so you don't
destroy the loads zen with all that drama queen bullshit. Should have
checked your handles before boarding also, then protected them in the
crowded cabin....ways are busy visualizing their jumps on the climb
and rechecking their own gear and adjusting helments at the two minute
warning----Try not to be such a big sissy and start a pin panic at the
last minute, it tends to throw the loads timing off......Jesus what a
wuss ass video geek!!! !!! ;-*
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Oct 9, 8:13 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:57:19 GMT, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>>
>> >> Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
>> >> you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
>> >> airplane.
>>
>> >Yeah. Keep thinking that...
>>
>> What, you mean containers actually can come open in the airplane
>> despite a pincheck in the loading area? It doesn't make sense - I
>> mean, if it's good, it's good, right?
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Yeah it comes from a loose or otherwise bad closing loop and fooling
>with your pin to much in a jostling crowd on a cramped jump plane
>gerbil boy.
So, you're saying the nut was "fooling" with his pin "to much in a
jostling crowd on a cramped jump plane?" Seems to me if the pin had
been "fooled" with, say - perhaps by someone simply casting their
eyeballs on it for starters, maybe we wouldn't be having this
conversation over an actual, real life occurance of a pin coming clear
inside an airplane - and him subsequently riding the airplane down. Do
you suppose he got a pin check in the loading area - or is that
downright impossible and unthinkable because, afterall, his container
did come open in the airplane?
>
>~Jerry's boo hoo story~
>TWO MINUTE WARNING...." wait, my pin, my pin"
>DOOR, "hold it, my pin, my pin"
>READY, SET, GO!
>"My pin, my pin--Go round, boo hoo boo hoo"
Does that mean in your vapid imagination Mike is blubbering over his
pin, too? I mean, he does recommend pinchecks in aircraft prior to
exitting - and I absolutely agree with him - he knows what he's
talking about and I think they're a good idea. And then there's
Jinnie's lament, "Pin check before gear up and in the loading area's
all you need - if it's right, it's right...What, ANOTHER
HORSESHOE!????" ~and later~ "I meant to do that."
>Being more professional means being ready gerbil boy!
And you're suggesting I'm not? Well, let's see now...number of times
I've had a container come open in the airplane thus far - Zero. Number
of horseshoe's due to a premature opening - Zero (knock wood bigtime).
You? Number of times I've aborted a climbout and/or a jump due to
some supposed uncertainty regarding the relative position of my main
container pin - Zero. Number of times I've spent two minutes or more
from the "TWO MINUTE WARNING" until door getting a pincheck - Zero.
Number of pinchecks between door and exit - Zero. Number of pinchecks
in airplanes - thousands. Number of jumps I've made and opportunities
for premature openings as compared to you - around the multiple of
ten. But then, how "ready" were you prior to your most recent
skydive, Jinnie? The reality here is, dummy, you've often contended
that checking a pin in an aircraft is superfluous and unnecesarry -
and that just a check before gearing up and another in the loading
area is all that's needed. Now, we have the nut having a container
come open in an airplane and further, there was no pincheck in the
airplane - the jury's still out whether he had it checked in the
loading area - that's reality and indisputable at this point. You've
also suggested that people who check their pins in aircraft are doing
so out of some unreasonable "fear," when the reality is, the reasons
behind a pincheck come from a healthy respect for not just what can
happen but what has actually happened to other people while engaging
in a high-speed sport. Your attitude is this sort of thing happens to
other people - not you - because their closing loop isn't right or the
pin had been messed with in the airplane. You look to blame as
opposed to looking to prevention. Prevention, practical prevention,
prevention exercised while in the aircraft after people and rigs have
been amongst a "jostling crowd" you typify as driven by fear. Yet,
you advocate soley checks on the ground, prior to people being in that
"jostling" environment, as well as simple loop maintenance as the best
and only acceptable form of prevention - all the while denying that
your own brand of prevention is not also driven by the same "fear"
which you would typify others as having - simply because of the
location and relative timeframe of the pincheck they choose to
exercise on the gear which they are wearing. C'mon, dummy - let's
hear your lament which in your own self-centered ignorance would deny
reality (you wish) but which will likely only boil down to a subject
change - dance monkey!
...bsrp
...jlk
sky...@pdq.net
But then, what if he didn't notice himself getting "kicked in the back
or (catching) his pin flap on a protruding object?" Would his
pincheck in the aircraft then be any less a good idea or, even worse
<sarcasm, dummy>, been motivated by fear?
>A simple pin check before putting the
>ring on and perhaps a independent opinion before boarding will be
>enough reassurance/insurance for a well maintained rig...
But then, what if he was later "kicked in the back or caught his pin
flap on a protruding object?" Would this mean that this
"reassurance/insurance" you speak of would then be rendered as
completely beside the point?
>(Sounds like
>his loop was so loose, checking it could have caused it to fall
>out).
No, it sounds like his loop was loose enough where it came out in a
airplane after he perhaps was "kicked in the back or caught his pin
flap on a protruding object" and any check made prior to boarding, if
any was made, was completely ineffectual, if not beside the point -
given that his container did come out in the aircraft and no pincheck
in the aircraft was performed.
>beyond that its mostly in your head and you are simply projecting
>fear girlyboy.
No, what I am "projecting" here is an example of indisputable reality
- a pin coming clear in an aircraft which occurred without the benefit
of a pincheck in the aircraft - as well as setting you up for another
demonstration on your part on how inexperienced you actually are, how
much of a hypocrite you are to say that others do it out of "fear" if
they do it in an airplane whereas you are not also guilty of this
"fear" because doing it on the ground is somehow different in
motivational respects, how wrong you are in your present contentions
that having the closing loop right and checking your pin on the ground
but not after you board is "enough reassurance/insurance" - nevermind
that pins can still come out - and have - despite good loops and only
checking on the ground, and how inconsistant you are when an
experienced skydiver like Mike recommends them and you are strangely
silent when it comes to your assessign any supposed "fear" in him
while at the same time suggest someone other than Mike is "projecting
fear" when they have said and are saying the same thing which Mike is
saying. In a nutshell, you're "projecting" another brilliant example
as to why you couldn't hack skydiving for even half as long as Mike
and many other experienced skydivers.
>Learn to check your own pin by feel so you don't
>destroy the loads zen with all that drama queen bullshit.
And what makes you assume I don't check my "own pin by feel" and
further, what makes you assume I "destroy the loads zen with all that
(supposed) drama queen bullshit," and perhaps you'd like to recount
incidences where I have "destroy(ed) the loads zen with all that
(supposed) drama queen bullshit," - incidents residing only within
your imagination aren't valid or relevant, dummy.
>Should have
>checked your handles before boarding also, then protected them in the
>crowded cabin....ways are busy visualizing their jumps on the climb
>and rechecking their own gear and adjusting helments at the two minute
>warning----
Sure, but explain what that imaginary line of supposition has to do
with the nut's container coming open without the benefit of a pincheck
as well as him having to ride the airplane down two minutes after the
two minute warning?
>Try not to be such a big sissy and start a pin panic at the
>last minute, it tends to throw the loads timing off...
And what real-life examples are you aware of which where I have ever
been "such a big sissy and start(ed) a pin panic at the last minute,"
resulting in " throwing the loads timing off...," dummy?
>...Jesus what a
>wuss ass video geek
Yo, dumbass - the nut had a container come open in the airplane. No
pincheck in the airplane. Possible pincheck(s) on the ground. Would
he have been a "wuss ass" if he had had someone eyeball his pin prior
to him having to ride the airplane down with an open container? Or
would have only been a "wuss ass" if he had asked forpincheck without
actually recognizing whether he had been "kicked in the back or caught
his pin flap on a protruding object?"
Keep it up, Jinnie - your retarded take as well as your boot-ass
inexperience is a stunning it its enormity and in its variety.
...bsrp
...jlk
me
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:28:42 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 9, 6:57?pm, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote:
> >> sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> > Hey, nut - you must have not checked it in the loading area because if
> >> > you had, there's just ~no way~ it could have come open later on in the
> >> > airplane.
>
> >> Yeah. Keep thinking that...
>
> >My bad, before anyone starts slinging mud. I had a loose closing
> >loop, and was putting tightening up off. Just kept putting it off.
> >It finally told on me.
>
> Did you check your pin in the loading area?
I don't really know what "side" of this to come down upon.
Pin checks, and their usefulness, especially plane side, have
a mixed result in my experience. It's not that I don't advocate
them, and they can find trouble. They can also cause trouble,
and as some are suggesting here, they can miss "catching"
trouble.
In my first few jumps, whilst still under JM supervision, I
had some JM wanna be do a pin check on my student gear
with pins and cones. As some of us fossils remember, pins
and cones also had little bungies to pull the flap off the cones.
This JM wanna be "adjusted" my bungees to connect them
up wrong and packed me a nice little total. Fortunately,
my JM came along, saw him screwing with my gear and
caught the mistake.
I saw a guy do a "pin check" at altitude. It was an
unusual rig and as I saw him "fix" the pin I became
curious that he was clueless and asked a rigger on board
that I trusted to double check. Yup, guy had "fixed"
a nice little PC in tow for the guy.
An old Wonderhog got a pin check by me prior
to a nice little Wednesday night jump after work. It
was fine. It was fine right until the guy turned around
in the crowded C-182 and drug his pins against the ribs.
Pushed 'em right out and dumped his reserve. So much
for the power of the pin check.
I was on a plane when the TM behind me started
pointing at the rig in front of me. I saw what he did, a
pin with basically nothing sticking through the other side
of the closing loop. I tapped the guy on the sholder,
said, "Don't move, your pin is about to come out"
at which point he rotated his shoulders and said "What?"
Obvious result ensued.
The conclusion for me after 20+ years is that
pin checks are fine but "prevent" nothing, and a pin
check is about as good as the gear and the checker.
I grew to the point where I would seek out certain individuals
if I wanted a pin check. I tended to ask for pin checks
after certain "incidents" which could be anything as
simple as a rough door jam, or me climbing around
the inside of an aircraft. Once, I asked after sitting down
"lazily" and dragging my rig against the wall. But I
conciously chose the person to do it.
Pin checks are like everything else in skydiving.
It's not that we can't do things to help protect ourselves.
It's that there are no silver bullets and competence still
is the most important thing to practice. And you can
still do everything right and stuff can go really wrong.
Skydiving. You could die having this much fun.
Kevin O'Connell
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
I agree with what you say and have either experienced or observed
similar occurances which you have described. That said, I believe
that just a check before gearing up and another before boarding also
can be ultimately described as -so much for a pincheck- when the gear
comes open sometime later, prior to the skydive - which has occurred
and is not unheard of. Just as a check in an airplane might, in rare
circumstances, result in a pin being dislodged or a malfunction being
enabled, a check on the ground can enable, and has enabled, premature
container openings and malfunctions. My contention is, checking the
pin prior to exit (in the airplane, usually turning onto the final
base before the turn onto jumprun) is not a bad idea. This contention
is based upon, 1) Observing people getting a pincheck and
discovering, as well as fixxing, problems - not unheard of, 2)
Observing people having problems such as a container coming open as
they sit, while moving towards the door, on climbout, floating, and
diving where it was confirmed that no pincheck in the airplane was
performed by the diver, or anyone else. Usually it was because the
gear got bumped or rubbed against the bulkhead in the wrong fashion
and in none of those instances I've observed was the loop particularly
loose. This is not to say a pincheck might have caught any of these
potential problems - but I've seen pinchecks catch potential problems.
I've also seen people get their checks on the ground, only to have
their gear come open later in the airplane - just as I've seen a
pincheck in the airplane not catch a problem - though I have never
personally seen a pincheck in an airplane cause a problem.
But I've never seen a pincheck on the ground catch a problem in the
airplane.
Some would say being proactive concerning potential problems in an
airplane is just expressing fear while denying what boils down to is
the same fear - no different just because they happen to be proactive
concerning potential problems on the ground. But fear is beside the
point and is no reason to not be proactive when it comes to issues
inherant in a high speed environment. Some have said that if the pin
is right when it's checked on the ground, it's right in the airplane -
which, of course, is nonsense based upon simple logic and a mountain
of empirical evidence to the contrary.
Here's an analogy - someone picks up a gun and says, because they
checked it earlier, that it is unloaded. Someone else may even have
checked it a shiort time later and agreed. Later, after the gun has
been out of their sight for a period of time the question of whether
the gun is loaded or not comes up. Some would say that to check it
again is just an expression of fear but only an idiot would choose to
point the gun at his foot and pull the trigger to prove how unloaded
it really is. They both know the gun is not loaded but this knowledge
is irrelevant when the reality might show they're wrong - and the gun
actually is loaded. How the gun got loaded is beside the point and
failing to check again because the gun might go off, choosing instead
to ignore the possibility that it is loaded and point it at their feet
and pull the trigger to prove it is not loaded is stupid and a waste
of ammo. BTW - I have two Remington bolts, a Winchester, and a pellet
gun and I keep 'em unloaded - but every time I pick one up, the
~first~ thing I do is open the chamber and take a look - it's not a
bad idea - as opposed to pointing the muzzle at my foot and squeezing
the trigger as a means for checking.
Hence, I argue that a pincheck in an airplane is not a bad idea with
rare exception, while someone else "argues" how it is a bad idea with
rare exception. I argue the remedies it has provided in the past are
more realistic in nature than the problems it has caused. Further, I
argue that someone else suggesting one argument is based in fear, and
as such, should be dismissed isn't an argument against (or even at
all) but is only an assertion regarding the argument's motivation
which is entirely beside the point.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:04:18 -0700, me <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com>
> >said, "Don't move, your pin is about to come out"
> >at which point he rotated his shoulders and said "What?"
> >Obvious result ensued.
>
> > The conclusion for me after 20+ years is that
> >pin checks are fine but "prevent" nothing, and a pin
> >check is about as good as the gear and the checker.
> >I grew to the point where I would seek out certain individuals
> >if I wanted a pin check. I tended to ask for pin checks
> >after certain "incidents" which could be anything as
> >simple as a rough door jam, or me climbing around
> >the inside of an aircraft. Once, I asked after sitting down
> >"lazily" and dragging my rig against the wall. But I
>
> > Pin checks are like everything else in skydiving.
> >It's not that we can't do things to help protect ourselves.
> >It's that there are no silver bullets and competence still
> >is the most important thing to practice. And you can
> >still do everything right and stuff can go really wrong.
>
> > Skydiving. You could die having this much fun.
>
> > Kevin O'Connell
>
> I agree with what you say and have either experienced or observed
> similar occurances which you have described. That said, I believe
> that just a check before gearing up and another before boarding also
> can be ultimately described as -so much for a pincheck- when the gear
> comes open sometime later, prior to the skydive - which has occurred
> and is not unheard of. Just as a check in an airplane might, in rare
> circumstances, result in a pin being dislodged or a malfunction being
> enabled, a check on the ground can enable, and has enabled, premature
> container openings and malfunctions. My contention is, checking the
> pin prior to exit (in the airplane, usually turning onto the final
> base before the turn onto jumprun) is not a bad idea. This contention
> But I've never seen a pincheck on the ground catch a problem in the
> airplane.
Try not to flop around on the aircraft or otherwise be clumsy...You
are being payed to Video, not create problems
>
>
> Hence, I argue that a pincheck in an airplane is not a bad idea with
> rare exception, while someone else "argues" how it is a bad idea with
> rare exception. I argue the remedies it has provided in the past are
> more realistic in nature than the problems it has caused. Further, I
> argue that someone else suggesting one argument is based in fear, and
> as such, should be dismissed isn't an argument against (or even at
> all)
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If someone snags a flap, gets a foot up their packing tray or a
observant skydiver spots a pin flap up in the cabin a pin check is
warranted, otherwise you are just disturbing the rhythm of the load.
If its a maladjusted or worn closing loop......Well some people just
have to learn the hard way--I did with that para cord out of the DZ
trash pile....not to mention I've seen skydivers down on their knee's
counting the threads left on the wear point of a closing loop and say
three threads? Its good for another jump when a box of new rigger made
closing loops were up at manifest!...All the pin checks in the world
ain't going to help them----chances are they knew about it before
putting on the rig and boarding anyway. No amount of pin checking is
going to help if the loops bad, for whatever reason they have already
decided to except the risk. And you? I just think you should book the
Cessna & a Jump master to check you before exit and do solo's out of
it while the prepared skydivers doing formation work ride the twin. At
least till you become competent enough to trust your own gear and
packing and oh yeah give the video money back while you're at it heh
heh 0~;)P ~Its mostly in your head anyway girly boy~
sky...@pdq.net
Yo, dumbass - instead of changing around what was written, why don't
you explain how checking gear on the ground isn't "Gear F E A R?"
>
>> But I've never seen a pincheck on the ground catch a problem in the
>> airplane.
>
>Try not to flop around on the aircraft or otherwise be clumsy...
Yo, dumbass - how many preemies you have? More than me? I got none
(knock wood). You? Further, what makes you think "flop(ping) around
on the aircraft or otherwise be(ing) clumsy are the only ways to
dislodge a pin in an aircraft and further, explain how some pincheck
on the ground could identify a pin which has come out later on in the
airplane - or otherwise provide some sort of magical catchall for
situations where someone has "flop(ped) around on the aircraft or
otherwise be(en) clumsy?"
>You
>are being payed to Video, not create problems
And who says any sort of problem has been "created?" Further, what
sort of problem is not being "created" as someone's lines began to
unstow in the airplane? Not me who ever had to ride the airplane down
for lack of a pincheck but then, there's the nut. Waste of a
perfectly good lift ticket.
>>
>>
>> Hence, I argue that a pincheck in an airplane is not a bad idea with
>> rare exception, while someone else "argues" how it is a bad idea with
>> rare exception. I argue the remedies it has provided in the past are
>> more realistic in nature than the problems it has caused. Further, I
>> argue that someone else suggesting one argument is based in fear, and
>> as such, should be dismissed isn't an argument against (or even at
>> all)
>
>> ...bsrp
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>If someone snags a flap, gets a foot up their packing tray or a
>observant skydiver spots a pin flap up in the cabin a pin check is
>warranted, otherwise you are just disturbing the rhythm of the load.
No, that's bullshit. "Rhythm of the load," cut the crap, jackass.
It's "warranted" whenever someone feels they'd like one. "Warranted,"
yeah right <sarcasm, dummy>, been sitting, someone shifts, plane bumps
along, whatever - and it's "Gee, I wonder if a pincheck is
~warranted~? Better not get one because I'm not sure if it's
politically correct to do so right now" Explain how this "rhythm" is
so seriously compromised.
>If its a maladjusted or worn closing loop......Well some people just
>have to learn the hard way--I did with that para cord out of the DZ
>trash pile....not to mention I've seen skydivers down on their knee's
>counting the threads left on the wear point of a closing loop and say
>three threads? Its good for another jump when a box of new rigger made
>closing loops were up at manifest!...
So, explain how the "maladjusted or worn closing loop" angle in any
way supports your idea that with rare exception, checking your pin in
an airplane is a bad idea?
>All the pin checks in the world
>ain't going to help them--
Now, you're talking in absolute's again which is a weakness of yours,
but a pin check, if they so desired one for themselves, could very
well "help them" in that if they wanted a pincheck in the airplane and
got one in the plane and the pin was found out of the loop or even
just barely in the loop, if only because it's happened before and is
not unheard of, the pin could be placed back where it's supposed to be
and presto, they get to skydive, as opposed to riding the airplane
down, as the nut did.
>--chances are they knew about it before
>putting on the rig and boarding anyway.
So, they knew the pin was out or almost out, too? They knew this
about their rig, that the pins were either that way or would later be
that way in the airplane - they knew this "before putting on the rig
and boarding?" Hey, nut - how come you didn't know your pin was gonna
come out in the airplane before you bought the lift ticket?
>No amount of pin checking is
>going to help if the loops bad, for whatever reason they have already
>decided to except the risk.
We're talking pinchecks not loop checks dummy and I've never seen
someone fix a frayed loop in an airplane - or in the loading area, for
that matter. But then, I ain't never seen a pincheck in the boarding
area catch a pin out or coming out in the airplane.
>And you? I just think you should book the
>Cessna & a Jump master to check you before exit and do solo's out of
>it while the prepared skydivers doing formation work ride the twin.
No need, because the reality is, if I need a pincheck, I can get one
readily and easily.
>At least till you become competent enough to trust your own gear and
>packing
You're a coward, aren't you, Jinnie. The reality is, when it comes to
this issue, I say pinchecks in airplanes aren't a bad idea while Mike
has said he recommends them. So, why aren't you intimating that Mike
isn't "competent enough to trust (his) own gear and packing?" The
answer is, of course, Mike hasn't been kicking your ass when you are
getting things totally wrong - as you often are - whereas I have. So,
Mike and I can say essentially the same thing with the result that you
will typify what one person says as whatever politically incorrect,
self-serving crap of the moment you've seized upon, while being too
cowardly to make the same suggestion of someone else. You scared of
Mike, or is it you are just CHAPPED at me since I skydive while you
can't and ridicule you for being a jackass?
>and oh yeah give the video money back while you're at it heh
>heh 0~;)P ~Its mostly in your head anyway girly boy~
Ah, the predicted subject change - Jinnie's latest round of cramps are
cycling station to station, right on schedule. Naw, "giv(ing) the
video money back" would never do because if I did that, other people
who also provide sought after skills in skydiving, even some who make
a living at it, would be undercut and they would have to drop their
rates until they couldn't afford to provide those skills and in short
order, those skills would become unavailable while many would lose the
means which they've chosen to make their living and that would all be
to the detriment of many skydivers and skydiving as a whole. All that
union money you sucked in while doing nothing? Give it back, Jinnie.
You didn't earn it so you ain't due it.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
It was policy and encouraged both at SPX & SDH in the early 1990's.
Quite a few
youngsters were too too careless with their rigs back then, throwing
them around like back packs filled with dirty laundry, or worse
setting on them----all this after packing them instead of hanging them
out of the way on the half pipes along the wall as we were taught when
I started----then not even checking the pin before putting them on
when their load was called. Not sure who started it, Lindsey had moved
SPX to Anuach and the Waller and league city divers had pretty well
become one group. Ryzard and Clara were managing Waller for Dick back
then,
I'm pretty sure it was Mike Smiths idea though, he was the JM/I
running the student program and pretty well kept a eye on the novices
also.-----This was back before you began jumping punk!!!
>
>
>
> >> But I've never seen a pincheck on the ground catch a problem in the
> >> airplane.
>
> >Try not to flop around on the aircraft or otherwise be clumsy...
>
> Yo, dumbass - how many preemies you have? More than me? I got none
> (knock wood). You? Further, what makes you think "flop(ping) around
> on the aircraft or otherwise be(ing) clumsy are the only ways to
> dislodge a pin in an aircraft and further, explain how some pincheck
> on the ground could identify a pin which has come out later on in the
> airplane - or otherwise provide some sort of magical catchall for
> situations where someone has "flop(ped) around on the aircraft or
> otherwise be(en) clumsy?"
>
> >You
> >are being payed to Video, not create problems
>
> And who says any sort of problem has been "created?" Further, what
> sort of problem is not being "created" as someone's lines began to
> unstow in the airplane? Not me who ever had to ride the airplane down
> for lack of a pincheck but then, there's the nut. Waste of a
> perfectly good lift ticket.
>
>
>
Dunno about that, I reckon he got some adrenalin rush out of it, ain't
that what its all about?
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> >If someone snags a flap, gets a foot up their packing tray or a
> >observant skydiver spots a pin flap up in the cabin a pin check is
> >warranted, otherwise you are just disturbing the rhythm of the load.
>
> No, that's bullshit. "Rhythm of the load," cut the crap,
You are the one shitting a brick Jerry, I'm just discussing our
philosophic differences
They are related items punk, quite a few skydivers prefer a looser
loop because its easier to pin.....Specially the shit packers. Problem
is a looser loop is more likely
to get its pin jogged loose than a up tight one. I still remember what
this Master rigger told me and another student....it was well after
dark and pinning a whopping
man o war into this Javelin was really whipping our ass's. It was the
last rig and we had been hassling it at least a hour. Jumping up and
down on the bag then the closing flaps trying to get some slack to pin
that bitch. There was a drop through hatch from the hanger into the
loft...He had stayed over to do some sewing, finished up then came out
to see what our problem was and why the pack check point person hadn't
solved our problem for us, shit it was almost midnight, the senior
rigger had checked all the pack checks and gone home---leaving us to
pin it.
So I moaned to this Mater Rigger "this @#%&* closing loop is to
tight!" He sez
"you can't make one too tight you big dummy, the P.C. will always pull
it out no matter how tight!"
"This ones too tight, we can't get it in!"
"Unstow the lines and pull the canopy out, shake it down and start
over again dammit.....You have shit packed, got to many air pockets in
the canopy and the lines look like spaghetti!!"
Damn if he wasn't right, we did it again, being careful about folding
the canopy & getting all the air out and flaking the lines neatly-----
the pin slid right in.
Later when I learned to roll pack or what the guys from the 60's
called doing the suitcase pack. I had to tighten the loop up on my J-5
because it tended to slip out
with the least little jar on the rig. Its all related Jerry, you might
know that if you had more grungy ground time and fewer quick jumps
perhaps 0~;-)
> >And you? I just think you should book the
> >Cessna & a Jump master to check you before exit and do solo's out of
> >it while the prepared skydivers doing formation work ride the twin.
>
> No need, because the reality is, if I need a pincheck, I can get one
> readily and easily.
Yeah I know, most people on a load will do what they can to calm a
raving drama queen down, Jerry------> "my pin, oh my god my pin, is
it falling out?" That shit gets old after a while. Quite a few of the
high strung AFF crowd from the 80's shared your concerns, although in
6 or 7 years I never saw a bag come out in the cabin but I noticed
they had trained their selves to quietly reach around and feel under
their flap to check their own pins and only a few started the pee pee
dance if something felt out of place, the cooler ones would simply say
"hey, pull my flap up and look at my pin please, something feels out
of place." Only premature bags out I saw were in FF...Thats where mine
came adrift and of course I saw the results of a couple of reserve
loops break in FF after falling on back type collisions in those few
years. One was Pecker----man I looked up and there was pecker hanging
up above a few grand under a round reserve as the formation
transitioned to the next point-----hilarious stuff. One bag out in the
loading area (busted loop) but none in the aircraft.
>
> >At least till you become competent enough to trust your own gear and
> >packing
>
> You're a coward, aren't you, Jinnie. The reality is, when it comes to
> this issue, I say pinchecks in airplanes aren't a bad idea while Mike
> has said he recommends them. So, why aren't you intimating that Mike
> isn't "competent enough to trust (his) own gear and packing?" The
> answer is, of course, Mike hasn't been kicking your ass when you are
> getting things totally wrong You scared of Mike,
Nope, he has something you don't.....years of experience teaching and
a few JM ratings, plus he's over 65 "I respect that." You? You are
just a snot nosed know it all with a lot of quick jumps to me kid
>or is it you are just CHAPPED at me since I skydive while you
> can't and ridicule you for being a jackass?
Nope wrong again, it appears you are the one with the panties in a
knot....Being long retired from skydiving I'm rather cool about your
nervous condition, other than making fun of it that is. ;)
>
>
>
> >and oh yeah give the video money back while you're at it heh
> >heh And get a independent pin check before boarding then avoid using your container for a back cushion and rubbing it against the bulkhead dummy. Perhaps you are just weak and lack the stomach muscles and upper body strength to set straight and still so give me 75 push ups and 125 stomach crunches noodle dick
. 0~;)P
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"the unknown flailer" <thu...@iwon.com> wrote in message
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>> Anyone who touched someones bridle in the airplane that fell out, and
>> didnt say something and check the pin . In case putting the bridal back
>> in pulled the pin out . Is a braindead twit . The rule is last one who
>> touched it is at fault. And if you didnt see it was in. All the way in,
>> It wasnt.
the unknown flailer
> "the unknown flailer" <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote in messagenews:1192080255....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 10, 8:40 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:19:14 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
Yep, the bridal is another issue though, thats usually caused by worn
Velcro or
Velcro clogged with lint from the packing mat. Not folding and seating
the P.C correctly or a worn P.C. Pocket. I carried a nit comb and doll
brush in my gear bag to comb out the Velcro once in a while. Had a ROL
on both my rigs, the hacky pocket on the J-5 got pretty worn and saggy
after 300 jumps or so. I guess dragging the leg strap across the tarp
as I flaked lines didn't help it. But you are right a loose bridal
indicates a pin check is needed but Jerry's so up tight he probably
uses a BOC even though he mostly lurks formations in the video slot
and has little chance of having his bridal grabbed in a missed dock.
If Jerry's bridal is adrift, somebody with a odd sense of humor in
close proximity is probably fucking with him trying to get his pee pee
dance started sooner, 0~;->
me
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:04:18 -0700, me <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com>
> wrote:
[snip]
> > I saw a guy do a "pin check" at altitude. It was an
> >unusual rig and as I saw him "fix" the pin I became
> >curious that he was clueless and asked a rigger on board
> >that I trusted to double check. Yup, guy had "fixed"
> >a nice little PC in tow for the guy.
>
> > Pin checks are like everything else in skydiving.
> >It's not that we can't do things to help protect ourselves.
> >It's that there are no silver bullets and competence still
> >is the most important thing to practice. And you can
> >still do everything right and stuff can go really wrong.
>
> > Skydiving. You could die having this much fun.
> My contention is, checking the
> pin prior to exit (in the airplane, usually turning onto the final
> base before the turn onto jumprun) is not a bad idea.
It depends entirely upon who is doing the checking.
[snip]
>This is not to say a pincheck might have caught any of these
> potential problems - but I've seen pinchecks catch potential problems.
> I've also seen people get their checks on the ground, only to have
> their gear come open later in the airplane - just as I've seen a
> pincheck in the airplane not catch a problem - though I have never
> personally seen a pincheck in an airplane cause a problem.
I have, as I outlined above.
> Some have said that if the pin
> is right when it's checked on the ground, it's right in the airplane -
> which, of course, is nonsense based upon simple logic and a mountain
> of empirical evidence to the contrary.
Well, a slight modification would be "in the absence of any
reason why it may have changed..."
"Checking" can induce problems (and wear actually). When
I switched to the racer (predominately for comfort) one nice
side effect was getting peoples hands off my reserve flap. You
should have reasons for messing around with your rig at
altitude. Even more so, you should have reasons for letting
other people mess around with your gear at altitude.
[snip]
> Hence, I argue that a pincheck in an airplane is not a bad idea with
> rare exception, while someone else "argues" how it is a bad idea with
> rare exception.
Or possible just that maybe it is transferring the effort to the
wrong point. If you are commonly at risk of having a pin problem
because of the way you and your rig interact with your environment,
fix the problem, don't just rely upon the pin check to catch it every
time.
If you are repeatedly and regularly having to have adjustments to your
pin, there is something wrong. If you aren't, what are you risking
having the check done in such an unfavorable environment?
You checked it on the ground, what's likely to have changed
without your notice? I mean it's not that I've never had a pin check
in an airplane, but I can usually tell you exactly what event inspired
the request.
Kevin O'Connell
the unknown flailer
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Some people will do anthing for attention, Jerry's idea seems to be
picking the wrong time to pin check. ;)
the unknown flailer
> On Oct 8, 10:45 pm, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay, you wanna tell me wht happened with you and my old lady checking
> > my pin before i went up?
>
> > KNOWING very well, you beeen busting my balls for the past three
> > months on why my closing loop has been so loose???
>
> > you wanna tell me its my old lady? ONE of yall got to fess up???..
>
> > OR you just stimply want to admit that you did that "intentional"..
> > AND give me the prize of Pres of the trees. HONOR.
>
> > Give it to me WOMAN
>
> Your bridle was hanging out of yer container then, we tucked it back
> in, but THAT wuz all we touched on yew, BOY. We did not check yer pin;
> we trusted yew to do yer own.
Tsk tsk tsk, if a bridal is adrift the next logical step is to pull up
the flap and check the pin. Quite a few skydivers feel their hacky and
trace the bridal by feel before exit before exit, and you fixed a
bridal without saying anything or checking nuts pin? The bridal is
attached to a pin doncha know? 75 laps around the DZ kid.
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:06:07 -0000, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com>
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His bridal was adrift, that warrents a pincheck. No matter where.
0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> Okay, you wanna tell me wht happened with you and my old lady checking
> my pin before i went up?
>
> KNOWING very well, you beeen busting my balls for the past three
> months on why my closing loop has been so loose???
#1 You haven't packed or pinned or checked your own rig in three
months?
#2. Witness's say your bridal was adrift before this incident.
Get out there with broken eagle and run 75 laps, it might clear your
head. ;-/
~it will damn sure help you out run the next cow you see~
brokeneagle
> > Your bridle was hanging out of yer container then, we tucked it back
> > in, but THAT wuz all we touched on yew, BOY. We did not check yer pin;
> > we trusted yew to do yer own.
>
> Tsk tsk tsk, if a bridal is adrift the next logical step is to pull up
> the flap and check the pin. Quite a few skydivers feel their hacky and
> trace the bridal by feel before exit before exit, and you fixed a
> bridal without saying anything or checking nuts pin? The bridal is
> attached to a pin doncha know? 75 laps around the DZ kid.
Yes, dear, if there is a next time I'll make the full check for our
leetle savant. I did not take into account an untucked bridle's
probable consequences. We saw the potential problem, and didn't want a
horseshoe situation, but should have done the full check. You are
absolutely right; I have not been attentive as I should to safety
procedures. I accept being upbraided/chastised and am setting off to
run now.
the unknown flailer
Good deal, give nut man 25 of your laps, that will make it 100 for
him, come
to think of it he has a JM endorsement and should be setting a example
on rig maintenance and care, give him all of your laps----his total
should be 150 now.
And remember theirs a cause and effect for everything going on with a
rig or in a skydive.
Bridal flop? Worn or dirty Velcro----causing possible pin problems.
Always
check the pin in a case like that, then on the ground have a rigger
check the Velcro strips on dummy's bridal, rig & leg strap, apparently
he never checks his own rig.. Riser flaps popping open? Change
riggers, the one you have is pushing the reserve to high up in its
tray. Horseshoes are usually easily solved by cutting away, the main
danger was the bag falling out in the cabin and/or snaking out the
door. Tell you what, we can't let you walk on this because you didn't
pull his flap and check that pin when you noticed that bridal hanging,
Remember theirs a cause for every effect on gear. 25 push ups,
otherwise well done. Blue Sky's & have a safe weekend kid. ;)
peanut4040
>
> Did you check your pin in the loading area?
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Nope,,, My old lady, saw some bridle hanging out, and quickly tucked
it back in. Since, It being my own damn fault, that I had let a loose
closing pin go for several months,,,, she could have possibly tugged
the bridle enough to loosen it up.
The bottom line-- as they say in skydiving, one bad decision leads to
another bad decision. The blame goes back to the first bad decision.
That being ME ! ! ! !
I got away with it for over 10 years. I was wrong for 10 years. I
hope, I have learned my lesson, and that this will never happen to me
again.
the unknown flailer
You're lucky nut,,,,,the pin should have been checked as soon as a
loose bridal was noticed. Now lets back it up and start further back,
what kind of deployment system are you using? BOC or ROL? I had a old
Wizard from the early 70's tell me once it usually takes 3 mistakes in
a row to kill a experienced D. Of course I think you die when its your
time, not before....not after but right on time so any mistake theory
is moot if you think along those lines . I saw skydivers doing
everything right die and sloppy careless skydivers live on and on, so
theres another thing to contemplate. Maybe you should be called lucky
and she be called something else......and take it from a old man who's
been married a couple of times, don't even think about using bitch!
0~;)
peanut4040
>
> Yes, dear, if there is a next time I'll make the full check for our
> leetle savant. I did not take into account an untucked bridle's
> probable consequences. We saw the potential problem, and didn't want a
> horseshoe situation, but should have done the full check. You are
> absolutely right; I have not been attentive as I should to safety
> procedures. I accept being upbraided/chastised and am setting off to
> run now.
Giggle,,, how much you wannna bet, she'll run long far enough away for
me get my tree coup ?
peanut4040
I'm runnning papppyyyyyyyy
brokeneagle
> Giggle,,, how much you wannna bet, she'll run long far enough away for
> me get my tree coup ?
Don' bet too much, leetle Twig. I was running for a lesson learned.
You, on the other hand, may NEVER stop running. Good luck on yer
useless coup attempt. Tree #1 is out of yer league; yew are as useless
to it as the tits are on a boar hog. No milk, no use. You'll have to
get promoted from Father Fred and Mama Cindy fer it to count with me,
an' the chances of that happening are at least as good as the bet you
will nurse yer piglet child from yer own empty tits.
Give It Up.
the unknown flailer
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Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?
peanut4040
>
> Don' bet too much, leetle Twig. I was running for a lesson learned.
> You, on the other hand, may NEVER stop running. Good luck on yer
> useless coup attempt. Tree #1 is out of yer league; yew are as useless
> to it as the tits are on a boar hog. No milk, no use. You'll have to
> get promoted from Father Fred and Mama Cindy fer it to count with me,
> an' the chances of that happening are at least as good as the bet you
> will nurse yer piglet child from yer own empty tits.
> Give It Up.
WATCH me sissy woman,,, I'll be tree number one in your life time.
peanut4040
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BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems and as
such, have little to do with the container closing system beyond
relative placement of the system in relation to where the container is
closed and each using a pin which closes the container, and which is
attached to the bridle - and both the BOC and ROL DEPLOYMENT systems
are for all practical purposes, aside each system's placement on the
container and the relative amount of bridle exposed between the two,
exactly the same in that regard. But, just you wait - the BOC is a
Politically Incorrect DEPLOYMENT system in Dingleberryland - not
because it is particularly any better or any worse than other
DEPLOYMENT systems, though the BOC does offer some advantages over
other systems, just as it offers some disadvantages, as compared with
other systems - usually only realized by the analy-minded. Your
screw-up and where you are at "fault" is the fact that you weren't
using the more Politically Correct ROL DEPLOYMENT system, and this is
a graver error than just being too lazy to keep after your closing
loop. You see, there are some with little life other than making the
pretense of being a part of, and therefore representitive of, an era
or epoch or generation or culture or even just being among some
nebulous sect which all supposedly think a certain way (often called
"right-thinking") - but more often, because others might think
different, they make their pretense to point out what is bad in their
eyes and in so doing, suggest, if not announce, how they are "better."
The already present, though irrelevant, question is the concept of one
deployment system vs. another - as if the differences between the two
DEPLOYMENT systems have any bearing in regards to what can occur with
a loose closing loop - and in that regard, the more bridle exposed,
the more relevant the question. Nevertheless, because of the denizens
of Dingleberryland's need for personal affirmation presented in the
guise of pointing out what is supposedly wrong - even stooping so low
as to introduce criteria which has little or no bearing on the issue
at hand - the issue as to which deployment system, in this case "ROL
or BOC," becomes important and somehow relevant - nevermind that both
ROL and BOC DEPLOYMENT systems are exactly the same when it comes to
how the closing pin present on each of those systems relate to the
bridles which both systems are attached to and how that pin interacts
with a closing loop which in this case proved itself as loose. So,
sorry - the Dingleberry will, I suspect, not get off your back and as
a matter of course - this ROL vs. BOC question will be just one more
(non) issue with which the Dingleberry will use, as he uses
everything, as a point of contention with which to bully, and in so
doing, posture and maintain his own self-affirming pretense and in so
doing, feel better about his own short tenure in skydiving and how,
years after that short tenure came to its abrupt but not unexpected
end, it still remains at an end. Just you wait and see - you screwed
up - you were using a BOC DEPLOYMENT system and amongst Dingleberries
- BOC's are politically incorrect because they are not ROL's and the
question becomes somehow relevant enough to ask when it comes to
having a container come open at an inopportune time due to a loose
closing loop. That's just the way it goes in Dingleberryland. It's
all about the Dingleberry.
...bsrp
...jlk
brokeneagle
BWAhahaHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!!!! Uh huh, sure you will. Give it up,
leetle Twig.
the unknown flailer
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:22 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> wrote:
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> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>
> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems and as
> such, have little to do with the container closing system
> ...jlk
Unless the bridal is hanging loose pulling on a already loose pin
the unknown flailer
dream on, you have defeated one of the purposes of the BOC....Now a
whole generation of little urban Jerry K's will be in the way of
prepared skydivers trying to exit, wailing "my pin, my pin......Oh my
god my pin. Had a loose loop and knew it, didn't check my pin before
putting on the rig, didn't have it checked again before boarding, now
I have no choice other than fucking up your skydive. boo hoo boo hoo.
Throw the sum bitch off the DZ and get on with jumping
the unknown flailer
Knock off 25 laps for fessing up, add 50 laps for not using a ROL...I
mean theirs no way you are going to get close enough to a formation to
need a BOC's protection in the docking mêlée hup two three
four.....throw that tree wanna be out the door
sky...@pdq.net
Which is the same issue, no matter whether the DEPLOYMENT system is
ROL or BOC, dummy - hence the inanity and transparency of your
question, "what deployment system did your rig have on it, ROL or
BOC?" - the answer to which might by your suggestion somehow mitigate
"laps" depending upon the answer given. Explain how either system is
better or worse (or even relevant) in terms of somehow mitigationg
"laps" in the circumstance of "the bridal is hanging loose pulling on
a already loose pin." Yo, Jinnie - the nut jumps a BOC - you don't -
whatcha think about that? How many premmies you ever have with your
ROL? Would you have had more with a BOC? Was a loose closing loop of
yours a contributing cause? Too much bridle exposed, perhaps? I got
the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:22:12 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 18, 1:12 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:22 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
> >> >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>
> >> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
> >> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems and as
> >> such, have little to do with the container closing system
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
>
> >Unless the bridal is hanging loose pulling on a already loose pin
>
> Which is the same issue, no matter whether the DEPLOYMENT system is
> ROL or BOC, dummy - hence the inanity and transparency of your
> question, "what deployment system did your rig have on it, ROL or
> BOC?" -
Lodi Mike gave me a heads up on the sports progression in deployment
systems.
NCO's by training and habit always check any incoming information
How many premmies you ever have with your
> ROL?
One due to digging loop material out of the DZ trash pile and it was
tight but any material that looses it tensile strength due to age and
sun exposure will loosen as soon as you arch hard. Thats where mine
happened, right after exit.....not in the cabin
Would you have had more with a BOC?
I doubt I'd be using a BOC but the results would have probably been
the same.
> Was a loose closing loop of
> yours a contributing cause?
the main cause I would say.
Too much bridle exposed, perhaps?
No never experienced a bridal adrift because I combed my Velcro
religiously and often ran a finger down it to keep check
I got
> the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
>
That where you hide the nickles and dimes you pilfer from the DZ? Most
whores put earned income for spreading their legs in their bra.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
sky...@pdq.net
Non sequitur, Jinnie - and lame. So, nevermind that both the ROL and
BOC predate the crashing exit which concluded your short time in
skydiving, it is because Mike gave you a "heads up on the sports
progression in deployment systems," that this somehow lends some sort
of credence and illustrates the relevance of what you said, "Unless
the bridal is hanging loose pulling on a already loose pin," that this
is relevant in terms of whether the system the nut was using was a ROL
or BOC system?
>
>
>
> How many premmies you ever have with your
>> ROL?
>
>One due to digging loop material out of the DZ trash pile and it was
>tight but any material that looses it tensile strength due to age and
>sun exposure will loosen as soon as you arch hard. Thats where mine
>happened, right after exit.....not in the cabin
So, your preemie wasn't due to the ROL but it was due to your
inattentiveness as to the state of your closing loop. And since you
said this occurred with your ROL system as part of your DEPLOYMENT
system, it's not any stretch to suggest that a similar occurance could
occur with a BOC DEPLOYMENT system which illustrates just how
irrelevant was the issue of whether the nuts DEPLOYMENT system was ROL
or BOC.
>
> Would you have had more with a BOC?
>
>I doubt I'd be using a BOC but the results would have probably been
>the same.
Exactly, and could this also suggest that in the nuts case, with his
loose closing loop, that "the results would have probably been the
same" - which again throws your whole consideration of whether the
nuts system was ROL or BOC into that familiar, irrelevant light which
shows it off so well?
>> Was a loose closing loop of
>> yours a contributing cause?
>
>the main cause I would say.
The get after your own damn pushups, you hypocritical boot - you got
nothing on the nut in that regard.
>
> Too much bridle exposed, perhaps?
>
>No never experienced a bridal adrift because I combed my Velcro
>religiously and often ran a finger down it to keep check
"...I did suffers a few problems with loose bridal over the years
but this was from sloppy care on cleaning lent or improper lining up
and zipping then reverse rubbing the bridal so the velcro locked
properly. (you know how it is when 5 minutes is announced and your
just starting to flake your lines OH SHIT, GONNA MISS THE LOAD GOTTA
HURRY and pin this sunof abitch and stuff the pc) Most of my horse
shoes and the bag in tows were closing loop problems.
You know PC in pocket/bag out..the slack in the bottom of your tray
leading to first line stow twists up fast so throwing out on discovery
of bag out didn't help much other than standing me up with a bag
stretched about 20 ft above my head and still locked."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/d804539e632f6924
"the only trbl Velcrow ever gave me wuz on the ROL
system---------->Bridal cumming adrift between PC & Pin flap"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/d7167e62c66a4379
"never had a bit of problem with a ROL except once doing RW with
Arts old J8 on a friday the bridal came adrift and pulled the pin, pc
stayed in the pocket and I had a horseshoe from hell."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/272896b0f3ad7827
* * *
Yo, dummy - were you lying then or are you lying now? Shit too funny!
And easy.
>
>
>I got
>> the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
>>
>
>That where you hide the nickles and dimes you pilfer from the DZ? Most
>whores put earned income for spreading their legs in their bra.
Not at all - hip waders is a metaphor for the suggestion that your
hypocrisy will soil no one but yourself.
...bsrp
...jlk
peanut4040
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:22 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
SAYYY whattttt??
sky...@pdq.net
the unknown flailer
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:04:21 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> properly. (you know how it is when 5 minutes is announced and your
> just starting to flake your lines OH SHIT, GONNA MISS THE LOAD GOTTA
> HURRY and pin this sunof abitch and stuff the pc) Most of my horse
> shoes and the bag in tows were closing loop problems.
> You know PC in pocket/bag out..the slack in the bottom of your tray
> leading to first line stow twists up fast so throwing out on discovery
> of bag out didn't help much other than standing me up with a bag
> stretched about 20 ft above my head and still locked."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/d804539e632f6924
>
> "the only trbl Velcrow ever gave me wuz on the ROL
> system---------->Bridal cumming adrift between PC & Pin flap"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/d7167e62c66a4379
>
> "never had a bit of problem with a ROL except once doing RW with
> Arts old J8 on a friday the bridal came adrift and pulled the pin, pc
> stayed in the pocket and I had a horseshoe from hell."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/272896b0f3ad7827
>
> * * *
>
> Yo, dummy - were you lying then or are you lying now? Shit too funny!
> And easy.
No, thats just you wasting time in the archives, looking for something
to take out of context.
>
Neither, it was caused by the closing loop material....no problem I
just threw out when the bag hit me in the helment but it was too late,
line twists had caused a bag lock so I just cut away after a few
thousand feet.....no big deal I was trained for problems like that and
as a Static line grad was rather cool, riding it a while to see what
might be done with the mess.....tried parting the risers and shaking
the lines...no joy so I just chopped it. The bag landed 25 ft from
where I did, still closed----a learning experience at the most....no
big deal, just another skydive----best stand up flying I ever did
though ;)P
> >I got
> >> the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
>
> >That where you hide the nickles and dimes you pilfer from the DZ? Most
> >whores put earned income for spreading their legs in their bra.
>
> Not at all - hip waders is a metaphor for the suggestion that your
> hypocrisy will soil no one but yourself.
>
Actually I figured you for more the knee pad wearing type girly man heh
the unknown flailer
> On Oct 18, 1:12?am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:22 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
> > >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
> > everything, as a point of contention with which to bully, and in so
> > - BOC's are politically incorrect because they are not ROL's and the
> > question becomes somehow relevant enough to ask when it comes to
> > having a container come open at an inopportune time due to a loose
> > closing loop. That's just the way it goes in Dingleberryland. It's
> > all about the Dingleberry.
>
> > ...bsrp
> > ...jlk
>
> SAYYY whattttt??- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just ignore him nut, he seems extra bent out of shape tonight, like a
cat with its tail caught in a wringer. Actually having kin people in
Alabama and knowing how back wards and slow to change people from some
parts of that state can be.....I figured you might still be using a
ROL. I've managed to somehoe....innocently work Jerry into a frenzy,
stay out of it or you might get scratched up. This ain't about you.
You survived it and one hopes you learned, if not---looks like Broken
Eagle is going to keep reminding you heh heh ;-*
sky...@pdq.net
I would say it was a veritable goldmine of examples of you getting
caught in the big, fat lie - a waste of time, sure - because anyone
who reads your crap likely already knows how much of a pathetic liar
you really are - but it is fun to watch you dance and crabwalk lame
excuses like it all having to do with "context" or something - not
that you've never been guilty of taking something out of context and
running with it, oh, no - <sarcasm, dummy>
>looking for something
>to take out of context.
Not at all - you said, you "never experienced a bridal adrift because
I combed my Velcro religiously and often ran a finger down it to keep
check."
This was without a doubt a big, fat lie because you allso said that
you, "did suffers a few problems with loose bridal over the years but
this was from sloppy care on cleaning lent or improper lining up and
zipping"
-and-
you also said the ROL bridle on a rig you were jumping, "came adrift
and pulled the pin."
All three statements were very much in context in that they were all
your words, and your words only, talking about what you had supposedly
experienced and things that you would supposedly do. And the
contradiction of you saying you "never experienced a bridal adrift"
and the three following statements suggesting you had experienced a
bridle coming "adrift" is very clear. Your first statement asserts
you had "never experienced a bridal adrift." Nothing contextual at
all, dummy. All very clear, straight forward, cut and dried. As what
it clearly illustrates - you were either lying then or lying now. In
either case, they are all yet more clear examples of how much of a
big, fat, and pathetic liar you most certainly are. But, feel free to
put it all into "context" and explain how you weren't lying when you
have said at times you "never experienced bridle adrift" and at other
times had a "loose bridle" and even had a bridle so loose it "pulled
the pin." Put it all back into context, dumbass. I posted the links
to what you said for that very reason. Moron.
>>
>Neither, it was caused by the closing loop material...
That and your lame-brained ignorant decision to use that "closing loop
material" - essentially it was inattention to the state of your
closing loop - the very same reason you are giving the nut shit for.
That's what hypocrites do, Jinnie - it's what you are.
>.no problem I
>just threw out when the bag hit me in the helment but it was too late,
>line twists had caused a bag lock so I just cut away after a few
>thousand feet.....no big deal I was trained for problems like that and
>as a Static line grad was rather cool, riding it a while to see what
>might be done with the mess.....tried parting the risers and shaking
>the lines...no joy so I just chopped it. The bag landed 25 ft from
>where I did, still closed----a learning experience at the most....no
>big deal, just another skydive----best stand up flying I ever did
>though
You ever do those pushups you were due for your piss poor attention to
the state of your closing loop, Jinnie? Or were you too busy
"smoothing down your velcro" - which you say ~never~ came "adrift"
except for those times you also said it actually did come "adrift?"
>
>
>> >I got
>> >> the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
>>
>> >That where you hide the nickles and dimes you pilfer from the DZ? Most
>> >whores put earned income for spreading their legs in their bra.
>>
>> Not at all - hip waders is a metaphor for the suggestion that your
>> hypocrisy will soil no one but yourself.
>>
>Actually I figured you for more the knee pad wearing type girly man
Heh - you wish, dummy - a recruiter tried to get me into the navy - I
knew better. C'mon out to the dropzone, Jinnie - let's see the
callouses on your knees.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk-
After one a.m. in the morning? You really shouldn't be setting up
after midnight thinking about your old skydiving hero kid....you need
your rest to grow big, strong and smart like ole Unkle Snuffy! 0~;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Oct 19, 1:16 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:53:05 -0700, the unknown flailer
>>
> Snip a fans carrying on for brevitys sake
AKA - snipped for lack of an answer and a need to change the subject.
Weak, Jinnie.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk-
>
>After one a.m. in the morning? You really shouldn't be setting up
>after midnight thinking about your old skydiving hero kid....you need
>your rest to grow big, strong and smart like ole Unkle Snuffy!
We've already discussed this, dummy, pay attention - just because a
post comes across your google at a certain time does not suggest when
the post was actually sent or written. Nor does it reflect what time
zone the post originated from and as I could be posting from almost
anywhere on the planet and literally from any time zone, you just
don't know. But, it does serve your need for affirmation to imagine
someone "setting up after midnight thinking about" you, and on that
note, I suppose google would be most informative as to the relative
times you have been ""setting up after midnight thinking about" all
those skydivers still skydiving. Subject change or not, and a poor
attempt at that, Jinnie - you're still a hypocrite and a liar and
unlike you I don't say it because I get off on the belief of having
"riles" someone or another - I say it because it's true and I have the
proof - in your very own words.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:53:05 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Oct 18, 4:59 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:04:21 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> >On Oct 18, 1:35 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:22:12 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
> >> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Oct 18, 1:12 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:22 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
> >> >> >> >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>
> >> >> >> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
> >> >> >> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems
> >> >> >> ...jlk
Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy
like
>
> >> >> >Unless the bridal is hanging loose pulling on a already loose pin
>
> >> >> Which is the same issue, no matter whether the DEPLOYMENT system is
> >> >> ROL or BOC, dummy - hence the inanity and transparency of your
> >> >> question, "what deployment system did your rig have on it, ROL or
> >> >> BOC?" -
>
> >> >Lodi Mike gave me a heads up on the sports progression in deployment
> >> >systems. NCO's by training and habit always check any incoming
> >information no mater how well a respected person it comes from....might be
> >why conning orders and many others in the Navy are repeated back
>
>
>
> >> >I got
> >> >> the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
>
> >> >That where you hide the nickles and dimes you pilfer from the DZ? Most
> >> >whores put earned income for spreading their legs in their bra.
>
> >> Not at all - hip waders is a metaphor for the suggestion that your
> >> hypocrisy will soil no one but yourself.
>
> >Actually I figured you for more the knee pad wearing type girly man
>
> Heh - you wish, dummy - a recruiter tried to get me into the navy.
Might have done you some good, you could have drawn a Petty Officer
like be and gotten squared away.......The modern Navy seems to be a
more gentle place. Long deployments but no more working seamen to
death or beating up on slackers and scrounges
> - I knew better.
Nottttt I submit you are a shirking little girly man. ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
wrote:
>On Oct 19, 1:16 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:53:05 -0700, the unknown flailer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >On Oct 18, 4:59 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:04:21 -0700, the unknown flailer
>>
>> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Oct 18, 1:35 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:22:12 -0700, the unknown flailer
>>
>> >> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Oct 18, 1:12 am, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:22 -0700, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
>> >> >> >> >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>>
>> >> >> >> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
>> >> >> >> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems
>> >> >> >> ...bsrp
>> >> >> >> ...jlk
>
> Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy
>like
AKA - you don't have an answer, yet you can't ignore - so you just
gotta post how you've snipped. Whoopty shit - snipping isn't an
answer, dummy. Got you where I want to. Cornered and snipping.
What's next, changing the words around? It's happened before.
>>
>> >> >> >Unless the bridal is hanging loose pulling on a already loose pin
>>
>> >> >> Which is the same issue, no matter whether the DEPLOYMENT system is
>> >> >> ROL or BOC, dummy - hence the inanity and transparency of your
>> >> >> question, "what deployment system did your rig have on it, ROL or
>> >> >> BOC?" -
>>
>> >> >Lodi Mike gave me a heads up on the sports progression in deployment
>> >> >systems. NCO's by training and habit always check any incoming
>> >information no mater how well a respected person it comes from....might be
>> >why conning orders and many others in the Navy are repeated back
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >I got
>> >> >> the hip-waders up - let your hypocrisy fly.
>>
>> >> >That where you hide the nickles and dimes you pilfer from the DZ? Most
>> >> >whores put earned income for spreading their legs in their bra.
>>
>> >> Not at all - hip waders is a metaphor for the suggestion that your
>> >> hypocrisy will soil no one but yourself.
>>
>> >Actually I figured you for more the knee pad wearing type girly man
>>
>> Heh - you wish, dummy - a recruiter tried to get me into the navy.
>
>Might have done you some good, you could have drawn a Petty Officer
>like be and gotten squared away.....
Like "be?" Bea Arthur? That the kind of petty officer you were,
Jinnie? No, the recruiter was full of promises of hot fighter jets,
trying to sell the whole Top Gun gimmick. Even gave me a VHS of the
movie - it was pretty transparent - I knew better.
>..The modern Navy seems to be a
>more gentle place. Long deployments but no more working seamen to
>death or beating up on slackers and scrounges
You don't know shit, Jinnie - you''ve been gone from the navy for more
than twice the years you were ever in - and look what good it did for
you - reduced to prostrating yourself in here for attention - good
thing the training's better these days.
>
>
>> - I knew better.
>
>Nottttt I submit you are a shirking little girly man.
And that idea has you so CHAPPED - it's all in your head, dummy - take
a Midol.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On 19 Oct 2007 12:51:58 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> wrote:
, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
> >> >> >> >> >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>
> >> >> >> >> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
> >> >> >> >> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems
> >> >> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> >> >> ...jlk
>
> > Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy
> >like
>
> AKA - you don't have an answer, yet you can't ignore - so you just
> gotta post how you've snipped. Whoopty shit - snipping isn't an
> answer, dummy. Got you where I want to. Cornered and snipping.
> What's next, changing the words around? It's happened before.
Not really, when you are up set your posts tend to run 150 to 200
lines.
Being a patient old man I just snip them down to manageable size and
keep
after you. Now I see why you have no JM or coaching endorsement. You
talk to much....You need to organize your thoughts and get straight to
the point kid.
Not fly apart like a teen age girl. ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Oct 19, 3:44 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>> On 19 Oct 2007 12:51:58 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
>> wrote:
>, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
>> >> >> >> >> >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
>> >> >> >> >> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems
>> >> >> >> >> ...bsrp
>> >> >> >> >> ...jlk
>>
>> > Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy
>> >like
>>
>> AKA - you don't have an answer, yet you can't ignore - so you just
>> gotta post how you've snipped. Whoopty shit - snipping isn't an
>> answer, dummy. Got you where I want to. Cornered and snipping.
>> What's next, changing the words around? It's happened before.
>
>
>Not really, when you are up set your posts tend to run 150 to 200
>lines.
No, they tend to run whatever length in relation to the number of
stupid things you have to say. Go back and take a look.
>Being a patient old man I just snip them down to manageable size and
>keep after you.
No, that's a clear sign of impatience as well as an inability to
provide and answer to the points being made.
>Now I see why you have no JM or coaching endorsement. You
>talk to much...
Ah, back we are to the JM/coaching angle - another subject change but
it doesn't amount to much of an answer to the argument, does it,
Jinnie?
>.You need to organize your thoughts and get straight to
>the point kid. Not fly apart like a teen age girl.
The thoughts are very organized as they. step by step, address
literally every wrong, every lie, every stupid, and every hypocritical
thing you have to say, with some ridicule thrown in for sport, and in
the process debunk and illuminate just what sort of cretin (as well as
hypocrite, as well as liar, as well as racist - I can cite examples of
that to, Jinnie - don't believe me? Then dare me) you really are. No
supposition here, Jinnie - I just shove your nose down into your
words. There's no "fly(ing) apart" on this end, dummy. There's no
change of subject here - that's all you. Nor is there dismissal of
what you have to say on anthing other than what you have to say and
how it squares with reality. Further, these dismissals are backed up
with fact and with reality and are often buttressed with your very own
words. You wanna speak again on how you never had your ROL bridle
"adrift" while explaining the "context" of earlier statements of yours
clearly contradicting that, for inconvienent and recent example?
"Straight to the point," Jinnie? You're a miserable excuse for a
sentient and "now I see why" you faired so poorly in skydiving and are
now left with little more than the affirmation you hope to glean by
"laying bread crumbs" so people will call you a stupid clown. You
even live for it and have said as much. Sure beats skydiving, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:04:39 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 19, 3:44 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On 19 Oct 2007 12:51:58 -0700, the unknown flailer <thuy...@iwon.com>
> >> wrote:
> >, peanut4040 <peanut4...@aol.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Answer this and I might consider halving the laps, what deployment
> >> >> >> >> >> >> system did your rig have on it, ROL or BOC?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry nut - it doesn't work that way in Dinglberryland. You see, as
> >> >> >> >> >> you well know, both BOC's and ROL's are DEPLOYMENT systems
> >> >> >> >> >> ...bsrp
> >> >> >> >> >> ...jlk
>
> >> > Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy
> >> >like
>
> >> AKA - you don't have an answer, yet you can't ignore - so you just
> >> gotta post how you've snipped. Whoopty shit - snipping isn't an
> >> answer, dummy. Got you where I want to. Cornered and snipping.
> >> What's next, changing the words around? It's happened before.
Thats fun too but you do waste to much band width with those 150, 200
line retorts,
not to memtion you try to use big words that don't flow
>
Sure beats skydiving, eh?
>
No I liked it better when I went out, made a few jumps and stirred up
the sky gods in person...had the high strung bitch's trained, all I
had to do was walk by grinning and they fell apart
sky...@pdq.net
Don't forget that of those numbers (you're actually counting the
lines?) included in those numbers are your lines, and as I've said,
it's proportional. You wanna address something perhaps more relevant
than the size of posts or bandwidth instead of trying to change the
subject like some teenage girl, Jinnie?
>not to memtion you try to use big words that don't flow
I don't just try, Jinnie - I do - and it's all english. Don't like
it? Blame your schooling or your parents. Not my problem and that's
what dictionaries are for, dummy.
>>
>Sure beats skydiving, eh?
>>
>
>No I liked it better when I went out, made a few jumps and stirred up
>the sky gods in person...
Right, accounts of that still exist - "No shit, there I was, in the
sky with 260 pounds of out of control, flailing meat-missle. The
punchline? He later said he meant to do that. Damned idiot." People
remember.
>had the high strung bitch's trained, all I
>had to do was walk by grinning and they fell apart
It was an act, Jinnie - play pretend scared and maybe you'd go away.
As it was, you went away - and it only took a few years after you
started. Paitence is a virtue. Btw - how come you didn't do pushups
when you didn't pay proper attention to your closing loop and then
handing pushups out to the nut for something similar? Because you're
a hypocrite?
...bsrp
...jlk
peanut4040
> Just ignore him nut, he seems extra bent out of shape tonight, like a
> cat with its tail caught in a wringer. Actually having kin people in
> Alabama and knowing how back wards and slow to change people from some
> parts of that state can be.....I figured you might still be using a
> ROL. I've managed to somehoe....innocently work Jerry into a frenzy,
> stay out of it or you might get scratched up. This ain't about you.
> You survived it and one hopes you learned, if not---looks like Broken
>
Well,, I'm getting old, and too frisky to fight with old skydivers
when there is many pretty young frillys to flirt with.
This sport is about life and death, and survivalist. The survivalist
stay longer than 500 jumps, and they are the ones I call my friend.
I have stayed alive this long listening to old people. I have always
admitted my faults, my wrongs, and told people how they almost killed
me. I have been a stupid ass, more times than I have been pied.
Thanks Jan Devil.
You wanna fuck with Jerry in anyway, and spread old people logic to
rookies in the process,,,,,,,,and spread safety, far be it from me,,
from getting in-between a rock and a hard place.
peanut4040
> dream on, you have defeated one of the purposes of the BOC....Now a
> whole generation of little urban Jerry K's will be in the way of
> prepared skydivers trying to exit, wailing "my pin, my pin......Oh my
> god my pin. Had a loose loop and knew it, didn't check my pin before
> putting on the rig, didn't have it checked again before boarding, now
> I have no choice other than fucking up your skydive. boo hoo boo hoo.
> Throw the sum bitch off the DZ and get on with jumping
Well,,, in case you old guys don't get it??
SOMETIMES just plain old accidents happen. And 50 jump rookies save
your life by telling you to sit the fuck down. Then all your friends
laugh at you as they exit---they go out the door-- while you hold
your main in your arms.
Accidents happen in this sport.
peanut4040
> > BOC, loose closing loop,,, MY fault,, END of story. GET off my ass.
>
> Knock off 25 laps for fessing up, add 50 laps for not using a ROL...I
> mean theirs no way you are going to get close enough to a formation to
> four.....throw that tree wanna be out the door
I'll give you an out of court USPA settlement. I'm old,,, I'll do 50
laps for me, and 50 laps for dat eagle bitch i call friend.. 100
laps,, thats my final offer.
the unknown flailer
I doubt they have the attention span needed to follow these cat
fights. Besides I'm so old my logic doesn't translate into the 21st
Century, youngsters think I'm just being mean....And all the time I'm
actually trying to help a few skygoddy idiots
Jerry claims I was un safe anyway......You just pay attention to
detail out there
and start packing your own canopy so you remain aware of any
developing problems with it......Anything looks iffy have a rigger
check it out. Lady Luck won't always smile on you. Have a safe, fun
filled weekend.
the unknown flailer
No guarantee's, thats why you have to pay attention to details
the unknown flailer
>
> >> >> >Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy like
>
> >> >> AKA - you don't have an answer, yet you can't ignore - so you just
> >> >> gotta post how you've snipped. Whoopty shit - snipping isn't an
> >> >> answer, dummy. Got you where I want to. Cornered and snipping.
> >> >> What's next, changing the words around? It's happened before.
>
> >Thats fun too but you do waste to much band width with those 150, 200
> >line retorts,
>
> Don't forget that of those numbers (you're actually counting the
> lines?) included in those numbers are your lines, and as I've said,
> it's proportional. You wanna address something perhaps more relevant
> than the size of posts or bandwidth instead of trying to change the
> subject like some teenage girl, Jinnie?
>
> >not to mention you try to use big words that don't flow properly
>
> I don't just try, Jinnie - I do - and it's all english. Don't like
> it? Blame your schooling or your parents. Not my problem and that's
> what dictionaries are for, dummy.
>
I know enough about English prose and having done a fair amount of
writing myself know you are misusing words in a pompous way. I know
why also, you want to appear intelligent but it makes you look stilted
& stupid.... ;)P
>
the unknown flailer
Fine....don't forget.....It may feel like its killing you but may save
your life in the long run. You stand a better chance of outruning cows
with bad attitudes without getting winded then caught and trampled by
the fastest heifer hahahahahaha....might help you out run a bad as in
too too fast landing also Blue sky weekend kid
sky...@pdq.net
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Oct 19, 7:19 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
>
>>
>> >> >> >Big snips, Jerry's all shook up and windy like
>>
>> >> >> AKA - you don't have an answer, yet you can't ignore - so you just
>> >> >> gotta post how you've snipped. Whoopty shit - snipping isn't an
>> >> >> answer, dummy. Got you where I want to. Cornered and snipping.
>> >> >> What's next, changing the words around? It's happened before.
>>
>> >Thats fun too but you do waste to much band width with those 150, 200
>> >line retorts,
>>
>> Don't forget that of those numbers (you're actually counting the
>> lines?) included in those numbers are your lines, and as I've said,
>> it's proportional. You wanna address something perhaps more relevant
>> than the size of posts or bandwidth instead of trying to change the
>> subject like some teenage girl, Jinnie?
>>
>> >not to mention you try to use big words that don't flow properly
>>
>> I don't just try, Jinnie - I do - and it's all english. Don't like
>> it? Blame your schooling or your parents. Not my problem and that's
>> what dictionaries are for, dummy.
>>
> I know enough about English prose
You think you do but you clearly don't know shit, dummy, beyond the
rank employment of the rhetorical crutch and adorning your words from
time to time in deliberate misspellings while effecting a quaint,
typewritten "accent." That's about as far as it goes and it's all
been a tired retread for years. Lay down some "prose," Jinnie - let's
see what you really know and by all means, feel free to use all the
little words you know.
>and having done a fair amount of
>writing myself know you are misusing words in a pompous way.
Ah, so now it's some sort of implied pomposity which is CHAPPING your
ass, eh Jinnie? You might think it's pompous to call you a hypocrite
and a liar but then assigning whether it as "pompous" or not is purely
a subjective value and it changes nothing. But the fact that there is
absolute proof of your lies and your hypocrisy, in your own very words
no less, is not subjective at all. It's fact. Disagree? I'll be
happy to put the latest examples up again on display for you and then,
thinking you'll probably be ready for another subject change - as you
were the last time, we can discuss why google, for such a limited
newsreader, scores super high marks in the department of ~you can't
escape the record of your own personal stupidity~
>I know
>why also, you want to appear intelligent but it makes you look stilted
>& stupid....
Hell, Jinnie - please feel free to illustrate. Please produce a
sentence, paragraph, whatever, where I have "misused" a word. Saying
it's so don't make it so. Was it where I suggested you were a
miserable excuse for a sentient? Using an adjective as a noun too
much of a "misuse" for you to stomach, dummy? Maybe your delicate
sense of "english prose" was offended? Or is it just that sentient is
not a term which can exist in the same sentence with you as a matter
of physical law as it cannot in any way be applicable to you, be it
adjective or noun? Maybe it just stung too much. That your problem?
Got more news for ya, dummy - assigning an argument as "pompous" or
suggesting an argument contains words which are "misused" does not
change the argument, counter the argument, or even dismiss the
argument. You working on your prose-nazi merit badge now, all a
sudden Jinnie? Or is this "prose" thing just another weak bail from
the present shellackings you've been experiencing lately? I'm still
waiting for you to produce those "emails" where you say JB was dogging
on Mike - or was that just more bullcrap? Of course it was. Feel
free to prove me wrong, dummy. Pony up.
...bsrp
...jlk
brokeneagle
>
> I'll give you an out of court USPA settlement. I'm old,,, I'll do 50
> laps for me, and 50 laps for dat eagle bitch i call friend.. 100
> laps,, thats my final offer.
(snort) Do yer laps fer yerSELF, boy- I already did mine. Damn, if yer
not turning into a girly man/crybaby, yew sour leetle short-lived old
man. Stop stalling. Get on with it, Twig.
the unknown flailer
>
> You think you do but you clearly don't know shit, dummy, beyond the
> rank employment of the rhetorical crutch and adorning your words from
> time to time in deliberate misspellings while effecting a quaint,
> typewritten "accent." That's about as far as it goes and it's all
> been a tired retread for years. Lay down some "prose," Jinnie - let's
> see what you really know and by all means, feel free to use all the
> little words you know.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Cheese to go with that wine girly man?
peanut4040
>
> - Show quoted text -
Chuckles,,, hitting Mullings Halloween party for the weekend. I've
got about 10 folks from SEMO coming down. I expect many horny
gorillas, and hungover skydivers.
peanut4040
> (snort) Do yer laps fer yerSELF, boy- I already did mine. Damn, if yer
> not turning into a girly man/crybaby, yew sour leetle short-lived old
> man. Stop stalling. Get on with it, Twig.
and for the GALLLL,,, I still call you friend, you knuckle dragging
drag queen.
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
you get a rigger made & installed loop put in since the last incident?
Got some one you trust to pack your main & manage your bridal?
if not
That horny gorilla might turn into the biggest Mr. Bill ever pulled
off in the sport heh
;)P
brokeneagle
Yew know better than that; remember, I'm a Tree Person, an' I've been
galllling you steady since I've known ye. Weren't yew at that Rome
firepit with us the night of Collis' memorial jump, or do I dis-
remember? Damn Cuervo 1800... (grin) Nope, as I RE-call, yew were a
prime instigator in the disappearance of our clothes at the gang's
return from our NRW. Name call at will, Twig. Yew know the truth.
peanut4040
>
> Yew know better than that; remember, I'm a Tree Person, an' I've been
> galllling you steady since I've known ye. Weren't yew at that Rome
> firepit with us the night of Collis' memorial jump, or do I dis-
> remember? Damn Cuervo 1800... (grin) Nope, as I RE-call, yew were a
> prime instigator in the disappearance of our clothes at the gang's
> return from our NRW. Name call at will, Twig. Yew know the truth.
Chuckles, I figured Iffin I talk dirty tew yew, you'd come back once
more.
FIRST to defend my slfe:
I did NOT steal anyones clothes.-- I believe everyone was wearing
their clothes whenthey left the next day. You are trying to play on
words, and say I had something to do that was illegal in some way.
I,,, I Have never done nothing illegal on a drop zone. Except for
Rome, that had a "no alchol" rule. Uhmm,, then Mullins for a short
while,, tullahoma,, Cullman cut me off for a small amout of time out
time,, OOOOO,,, i digresss,
]
SECOND. Iffin I talk someone else into doing it,,, I am NOT guilty.
THIRD, I was responsible to go against the mob and give you your
peoplles clothes back.
SOOOO,, you owe me. a favor.
brokeneagle
more.
>
> FIRST to defend my slfe:
> I did NOT steal anyones clothes.-- I believe everyone was wearing
> their clothes whenthey left the next day. You are trying to play on
> words, and say I had something to do that was illegal in some way.
> I,,, I Have never done nothing illegal on a drop zone. Except for
> Rome, that had a "no alchol" rule. Uhmm,, then Mullins for a short
> while,, tullahoma,, Cullman cut me off for a small amout of time out
> time,, OOOOO,,, i digresss,
> ]
> SECOND. Iffin I talk someone else into doing it,,, I am NOT guilty.
>
> THIRD, I was responsible to go against the mob and give you your
> peoplles clothes back.
>
> SOOOO,, you owe me. a favor.
Hmmmm, I do, eh? In reply to your defense, so quaintly offered:
1. No one said you stole them; yew were a factor in their initial
disappearance, tho.
2. Not guilty of what? Talking someone else into doing what yew lack
the cajones for?
3. That was mighty white of you, Twig. Retroactive thanks.
Now. What favor EGGsackly were yew going to ask me for?
Let me see....
Uhmmmmmm,
No.
the unknown flailer
> > ]
> > SECOND. Iffin I talk someone else into doing it,,, I am NOT guilty.
>
> 2. Not guilty of what? Talking someone else into doing what yew lack
> the cajones for?
AH HA I don't think the boy ran his laps either!! I'll have to put
him in the file with Jerry girl and that picture of the big
way......"see that jumpsuit color? Thats me."
YEAH RIGHT got signed affidavits from responsible people on that
formation boy?
And as far as nut goes, no tree person will be considered a valid
witness. I remember us shade tree packers down in Texas lied for each
other all the time,
had to because the skygoddy prissy boys were always reporting us to
the S&TA
for some imagined sin against God, USPA & its BSR's trying to earn
brownie points as they often will. Our only real sin was being fun
jumpers.
sky...@pdq.net
Pathetic, Jinnie - you're just plain pathetic. Heh - Jinnie got me to
call him pathetic - ooo, the power he wields...
...bsrp
...jlk
Big Jim
> call him pathetic - ooo, the power he wields...
Yeah, just awsome power, and he's straight too.
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Early 90's zoo jumper commentary strike to close to home Mr. Brown
nose? ;)
the unknown flailer
Well actually the older you get, the more crooked the storms of life
make you......Specially if you're dealing with south Texas Fairies
like Mr.Prissy Sky god
oh yeahhhhh, Jerry the big time brown nose from down in the city!
0~;-)
sky...@pdq.net
Not at all, dumbass. I slam your ass all last week and leave you
alone (it was the weekend, afterall) to consider just how busted you
were for your really clumsy hypocrisy and lies and you couldn't go a
week without gargling for more attention. Pathetic. Of course, you
calling anyone a brown nose is just more hypocrisy on your part -
especially after the way you've been kissing Mike's ass - he can
recommend pinchecks in aircraft and not be displaying some sort or
"fear" whereas anyone else - it's all about "fear" as you'd typify it.
As for the rest, your suggestion that your dumbass "commentary"
somehow struck " to close to home" - it's still the same as the last
time you tried this dumb angle - I still got the suit, the helmet, the
rig, and the logbook - and there's no discrepancy - I know where I was
around Thanksgiving that year. If it makes you feel better to demand
"signed affidavits" before you can accept that someone who regularly
slams your ass has also been on larger, multipoint formations than
yourself - have a party - but then, it's clear you haven't been on
many bigways have you, kid?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:44:44 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> calling anyone a brown nose is just more hypocrisy on your part -
> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was talking to broken eagle about nut man being suspected of faking
his laps then copping a attitude when questioned on the subject he
might have to be put in a file with Jerry Girl and you fly off the
handle and drag the Lodi Wizard in? I think you are just jealous
because the old buzzard is a JM and you are not you are just a little
lurking camera fairy.....Try to show some decorum around your seniors
punky boy. ;)P
sky...@pdq.net
Get real - no one's doing any "laps." You might feel big because
you've assigned them in some stupid plane of existence of your own
making but it ain't real.
>then copping a attitude
Ooooo - big deal <sarcasm dummy> - he's "copping an attirude" Oh, my!
Can't have that, can you, Jinnie? Stomp your little feet for us, you
big girl.
>when questioned on the subject he
>might have to be put in a file with Jerry Girl and you fly off the
>handle and drag the Lodi Wizard in?
Nope - staying right on track, right on target - and if Mike joins in
that's his own lookout. You throw the "brown nose" name around - I
say you're a hypocrite - and referenced your own "brown nosing" and
illustrated it. Go ahead, hypocrite - tell Mike he's "full of fear"
because he recommends pinchecks in airplanes.
>I think you are just jealous
>because the old buzzard is a JM and you are not you are just a little
>lurking camera fairy...
Heh - guess what, Jinnie - you're neither - and never were either. I
think you're "jealous" because people continue to skydive and have a
great time of it while skydiving continues on without your
participation - a participation entirely absent for all practical
purposes, over ten years. What you think often has no bearing with
reality, dumbass. But, you're still a hypocrite - and a liar.
>..Try to show some decorum around your seniors
>punky boy.
Mike's senior - his record's clear. You're junior - on many levels.
Guess you haven't been on many bigways, have you, kid?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
too right, thats your slot girly man
the unknown flailer
Maybe he just likes to see you dance that pee pee dance. "my pin, my
pin-is it falling out?" Be like Mike, be there, be ready, and try to
leave some wisdom. Oh
I forgot, you're a snot nosed girly man! *Forget it*. ;)P
the unknown flailer
from my coming of age generation....You would think I might give him a
ration of shit like I do Chuck because he was a Marine and I was a
sailor.....Not going to happen though because Mike went through boot
camp in the 1950's and so did I. Back then the Marine D,I.'s & Navy
CC's both used the hands on training method, no molly coddling
recruits like during Chuck & Jimbo's introduction to the military
years later. Nope I won't hassle Mike, he's pretty near old as me----
been in the sport teaching for decades, endured DZ politics & taken a
fair amount of abuse over those years too I'm pretty sure because I
remember when the Regional Manager out there fucked him out of his
S&TA slot even after he was voted in by quoting the fine print right
here on wreck.
"A S&TA serves at the pleasure of the Regional Manager!" Nope I can
find no fault with Lodi Mike....He endured a hitch in the old post
Korean Conflict USMC and years of being a USPA member working at a non
GM/DZ Jamming out the hatch the hard way with dead weight on his chest
You on the other hand are a snot nosed self serving punk who avoided
serving his country, has no loyalty to any one DZ and therefore is not
considered Staff quality----that probably means besides having
unreasonable pin fear. You are not a team player either. Just another
iterate asshole using a camera as a gimmick while brown nosing your
way around mostly USPA GU DZ's picking up the left over piece work-----
A cantankerous scarred up old ex Petty Officer like me will hassle you
every time because you are a under achieving fringe feeder who's in it
for number one. See, no one can say I don't take your crybaby
complaints into consideration and give them some thought. 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Oct 25, 8:40 pm, sky...@pdq.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:22:05 -0700, the unknown flailer
>
> >> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >> >On Oct 25, 6:06 pm, brokeneagle <Eagleo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > ]
> >> >> > SECOND. Iffin I talk someone else into doing it,,, I am NOT guilty.
>
>
> >> >witness. I remember us shade tree packers down in Texas lied for each
> >> >other all the time,
> >> >the S&TA for some imagined sin against God, USPA & its BSR's trying to
>
> >> Pathetic, Jinnie - you're just plain pathetic. Heh - Jinnie got me to
> >> call him pathetic - ooo, the power he wields...
>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Early 90's zoo jumper commentary strike to close to home Mr. Brown
> >nose?
> Mike's ass - he can
> recommend pinchecks in aircraft and not be displaying some sort or
> "fear" whereas anyone else - it's all about "fear"
Not "anybody else" just you wussy boy ;)P