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Scratch

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Jun 11, 2002, 11:52:00 AM6/11/02
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Velcro, in my limited experience, seems to hold quite tight for flaps, riser
covers, etc. But it has a bad rep, especially for freeflying -- why is this?

My ancient Racer SST with full velcro riser cover closures has never had
problems with the riser covers opening prematurely. The main flap has old
velcro and used to come open when I did backloops etc., but adding
walrus-type tuck tabs fixed that. (If I was going to do much freeflying I
would probably replace that velcro.) Is there something in particular about
velcro type closings that is a problem that I am missing? Preference I can
understand, but preference and safety are very different things.

--Scratch Sperber

ynotssor

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:12:29 PM6/11/02
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"Scratch" <scratc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Freeflying speeds and differential exposures tend to blow the velcro apart.
"Freefly friendly" rigs use tuck tabs to secure the flaps and riser covers.
One of my rigs has no velcro anywhere for any purpose; it's simply not
necessary.

Velcro on open riser covers, brake stows etc. tend to snag and degrade lines
when the canopy is draped over the shoulder after landings.


tony

Mark Harju

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Jun 11, 2002, 12:54:05 PM6/11/02
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Tony's right. If you're gonna sit-fly or free-fly, you need a nice tight rig
that has no velcro. For more information about this, as well as rig shopping
and selection, please see "Rig Shopping, Part 1" on p.24 of this month's
issue of Skydiving Magazine.

mh
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Mike Gruwell

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Jun 11, 2002, 11:28:07 PM6/11/02
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I've seen many rigs with tuck flaps that come open during freeflying as well
as rigs with velcro.

Rigs with velcro can be used for freeflying, but the velcro must be replaced
every 40-50 jumps or as soon as it starts wearing out. And the
canopies/risers must fit the container so the velcro can mate properly.

As for rigs without velcro, tuck tabs on some rigs work better than others.
Most rigs manufacturered with tuck tabs over the last 2-3 years stay closed
if the canopies are sized correctly for the container, main packed properly,
flaps used as designed and the reserve bulk is distributed correctly. As
rigs get older, tuck tabs do get broken or worn out and must be repaired or
fixed. Like velcro, though not as fast, tuck tabs wear out.

The main thing is to have a rigger knowledgeable on "freefly friendly" rigs,
check out your container and give you his/her advice on the condition of the
riser covers, pin flaps, BOC and bridle cover. Worn out velcro/flaps can be
replaced...or possibly the rig is just too old or worn out for
freeflying...or any type of skydiving for that matter. :-)

For more info, read the top article at this link
http://www.chutingstar.com/besteverriggerrantandraves.html


Scratch

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Jun 12, 2002, 3:33:52 PM6/12/02
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Thanks, that was helpful info. How do you evaluate the condition of the velcro?
I check mine as I pack to make sure that what I mate stays mated, that it still
has good looking visible pile and hooks, is free of debris, etc. but I'm not
checking for freefly type exposures. How strong does strong have to be? Is it
more of a trained eye thing? I guess I could use the velcro around my handles
for comparison. That stuff is definitely more grippy than my riser covers at
this point. Which seems to be fine for my non-freeflying air exposure, but
would probably not be enough for the faster speeds and different presentation
to the relative wind.

In article <bdzN8.1058$NQ1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
snmgr...@earthlink.net says...


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>I've seen many rigs with tuck flaps that come open during freeflying as well
>as rigs with velcro.

>[...]

Michael Seddon

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Jun 13, 2002, 4:28:53 AM6/13/02
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"One of my rigs has no velcro anywhere for any purpose; it's simply not
necessary."
I love those rigs! There sweet...not even velcro on the brake toggles.


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>
> "One of my rigs has no velcro anywhere for any purpose; it's simply not
> necessary."
> I love those rigs! There sweet...not even velcro on the brake toggles.
[...]

I should mention "except for the cutaway and reserve handles". =B^)


tony

Snuffy Smith

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Jun 18, 2002, 7:42:52 PM6/18/02
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> Velcro, in my limited experience, seems to hold quite tight for flaps, riser
> covers, etc. But it has a bad rep, especially for freeflying -- why is this?
>

yuh it will hold tight till the loops & hooks wear....buy a fine tooth
comb
to comb the carpet lent & small trash out of it when it won't stick
tight because of clogging....don't use a stiff bristle brush cuz the
sheep tendency
is to make scrubbing motions, this wears out the velcrow hooks & loops
quicker.
Since yer a frick flyer...when yew slap yhe velcrow together put yer
thum on the
outside side & try to slide it around lightly, this will make the
hooks & loops
grab tighter. ;-* the RW Wiz

Snuffy Smith

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Jun 19, 2002, 12:37:47 PM6/19/02
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HEY Frick sheep yawl artta be using BOC systems anyway, the only trbl
Velcrow ever gave me wuz on the ROL system---------->Bridal cumming
adrift between PC & Pin flap on my more radical funnel/flails...My old
Javs had tuck flaps over the pin & riser covers...why a buncha 98
pound pipsqueeks are worried about going to fast & deploying is beyond
me seeings yew artta have Cobalt mains like Chewy big britches anyway.
Anything feels adrift go to the boxman & wave off gotta do that at the
end od yer little funnels anyway don'tcha? ;-* Mr. wonderful

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