POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
$Zero
seriously.
-$Zero...
what advice would you give yourself?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/70a70e1e783568d6
$Zero
seriously.
-$Zero...
POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/4239498981841fb1
(no name)
"$Zero" <zero...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> seriously.
>
>
> -$Zero...
Oh shit! Don't get me started.
--No Name
$Zero
> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fb0f7ff3-26ca-4294...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> > seriously.
>
> > -$Zero...
>
> Oh shit! �Don't get me started.
get started?
you couldn't even manage to name one attribute.
in either thread.
there's a reason for that, you dishonest hypocrite.
-$Zero...
POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/98a51623de285287
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
$Zero wrote:
> On Aug 11, 5:30�am, "\(no name\)" <s...@us.gov.org.asm> wrote:
> > "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:fb0f7ff3-26ca-4294...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
> >
> > > seriously.
> >
> > > -$Zero...
> >
> > Oh shit! �Don't get me started.
>
> get started?
>
> you couldn't even manage to name one attribute.
>
> in either thread.
>
> there's a reason for that, you dishonest hypocrite.
>
>
>
> -$Zero...
Don't be so hard on him. He's given you a perfect example.
Ultraviolet
Anyone who wants to.
--
UV
serenebabe
> POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
<...>
Someone with no arrogance.
--
It's All About We! (the column) -- NEW August 1, "What I did with all
that kale..."
http://www.serenebabe.net/
$Zero
> On Aug 10, 11:28 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> > what advice would you give yourself?
> > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/70a70e1e783568d6
>
> Anyone who wants to.
whoa.
i didn't realize you were that loose.
-$Zero...
POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become writers?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/8e3c8e0f0c955be4
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/719255054cc72c47
Pies de Arcilla
> POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> seriously.
Senators.
$Zero
>
> > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> > seriously.
> Anyone who wants to.
so that leaves you voting for either Ralph Nader or Bob Barr.
who's the lucky fella?
-$Zero...
entitlement (type that word out with one finger)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/f302c25910c291bc
$Zero
> On 2008-08-11 02:28:04 -0400, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> <...>
>
> Someone with no arrogance.
as long as they realize how deluded they are.
-$Zero...
this post is not about making sense
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/9356fff785b72a62
$Zero
i'd throw Governers in there, too.
and Rock stars.
and actors.
and political scientists.
and PhDs.
and artists.
and religious nutcases.
and really really smart people.
and regular folk.
...
who am i leaving out?
...
-$Zero...
this post contains no opinions
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/3f462596c5af2d05
$Zero
> On Aug 11, 6:18 pm, Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 11, 2:28 am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> > > seriously.
>
> > Senators.
>
> i'd throw Governers in there, too.
>
> and Rock stars.
>
> and actors.
>
> and political scientists.
>
> and PhDs.
>
> and artists.
>
> and religious nutcases.
>
> and really really smart people.
>
> and regular folk.
>
> ...
>
> who am i leaving out?
oops.
i forgot engineers, medical doctors, lawyers, and cops.
who else did i forget?
oh yeah, economists and business exeuctives.
and sales people.
and computer systems types.
-$Zero...
does asking questions make you a creative genius?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/b4d6e507c593b4b3
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
Preachers?
$Zero
yeah.
and how could i possibly forget athletes!
-$Zero...
what's your opinion worth?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/a938ab61ffc9d6de
$Zero
not too mention diplomats, generals, scientists, journalists, and news
anchors!
-$Zero...
this post contains no metaphors (or analogies)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/b73277e21728d46d
serenebabe
> On Aug 11, 9:46�am, Ultraviolet <paula.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 11:28 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> what advice would you give yourself?
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/70a70e1e783568d6
>>
>> Anyone who wants to.
>
> whoa.
>
> i didn't realize you were that loose.
Wasn't she answering that that is *not* who should become president?
$Zero
> On 2008-08-11 18:14:25 -0400, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > On Aug 11, 9:46 am, Ultraviolet <paula.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 10, 11:28 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
>
> >>> what advice would you give yourself?
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/70a70e1e783568d6
> >>
> >> Anyone who wants to.
>
> > whoa.
>
> > i didn't realize you were that loose.
>
> Wasn't she answering that that is *not* who should become president?
and here i thought it was thread drift back to the advice post.
i guess i just have to read these things a bit more carefully.
banter.
it takes a village.
-$Zero...
freedom! (20 percent off)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/09530707e71a0580
Pies de Arcilla
> On Aug 11, 6:18 pm, Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 11, 2:28 am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> > > seriously.
>
> > Senators.
>
> i'd throw Governers in there, too.
No, Governor of a large state is an entirely appropriate background
for a President.
$Zero
well, that's certainly the conventional "wisdom."
let's see now, George W. was the Governer of a large state, so...
there goes that theory.
anyway, methinks the operator of a small family farm would be a better
president than most "qualified" dinkheads.
they'd certainly make far more sense, be far more practical, and be
far less dangerous...
but sure, they'd need about a year or two to prep and get up to speed,
but it's all in picking the proper eggheads to give you advice.
...
i jest about the farmer, but not by much.
...
-$Zero...
things that make me want to be a better person
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/bd8e55d903d0e504
Pies de Arcilla
> On Aug 11, 7:34 pm, Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 11, 6:28 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 11, 6:18 pm, Pies de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 11, 2:28 am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > POLL -- what kinds of people should NOT become president?
>
> > > > > seriously.
>
> > > > Senators.
>
> > > i'd throw Governers in there, too.
>
> > No, Governor of a large state is an entirely appropriate
> > background for a President.
>
> well, that's certainly the conventional "wisdom."
>
> let's see now, George W. was the Governer of a large state, so...
>
> there goes that theory.
An exception doesn't disprove the rule. That's why they call it an
"exception".
$Zero
Jimmy Carter
for another.
there's quite a few more.
when there's so many exceptions, rules become meaningless.
-$Zero...
an honest day's work in an abstract economy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/32745b9b9d8407fa
$Zero
>
> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>
> seriously.
teachers.
-$Zero...
the complex vs. the simple
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/784486d529ae7e85
boots
>On Aug 11, 2:34?am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>>
>> seriously.
>
>teachers.
For example, this teacher?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/earlyshow/main658998.shtml
--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!
[superstitious heathen grade 8]
$Zero
> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 11, 2:34?am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>
> >> seriously.
>
> >teachers.
>
> For example, this teacher?
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/earlyshow/main658998.shtml
no, like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gandhi_studio_1931.jpg
$Zero
> On Aug 13, 8:00 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>
> > "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Aug 11, 2:34?am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>
> > >> seriously.
>
> > >teachers.
>
> > For example, this teacher?
> >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/earlyshow/main658998.shtml
>
> no, like this one:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gandhi_studio_1931.jpg
actually, here's a much better photo of the teacher in action:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Salt_March.jpg
i couldn't find the one where he's making his own clothes at the
spinning wheel.
-$Zero...
a nation full of whiners
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/197d515bed9fec2d
boots
>On Aug 13, 12:23?pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 8:00 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>>
>> > "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >On Aug 11, 2:34?am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>>
>> > >> seriously.
>>
>> > >teachers.
>>
>> > For example, this teacher?
>> >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/earlyshow/main658998.shtml
>>
>> no, like this one:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gandhi_studio_1931.jpg
>
>actually, here's a much better photo of the teacher in action:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Salt_March.jpg
>
>i couldn't find the one where he's making his own clothes at the
>spinning wheel.
>
>-$Zero...
And here I sit wondering where all the babes turned teacher were when
I was a perpetually horny youth, go figger.
$Zero
> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 12:23?pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 13, 8:00 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>
> >> > "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Aug 11, 2:34?am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>
> >> > >> seriously.
>
> >> > >teachers.
>
> >> > For example, this teacher?
> >> >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/earlyshow/main658998.shtml
>
> >> no, like this one:
>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gandhi_studio_1931.jpg
>
> >actually, here's a much better photo of the teacher in action:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Salt_March.jpg
>
> >i couldn't find the one where he's making his own clothes
> >at the spinning wheel.
http://i34.tinypic.com/6pmfkj.jpg
> And here I sit wondering where all the babes turned teacher were
> when I was a perpetually horny youth, go figger.
tutoring JFK?
-$Zero...
a writer is just someone who makes lists
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/d4e2dda2bd3923b4
Pies de Arcilla
> "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 12:23?pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 13, 8:00 am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>
> >> > "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >On Aug 11, 2:34?am, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >> POLL -- what kinds of people SHOULD become president?
>
> >> > >> seriously.
>
> >> > >teachers.
>
> >> > For example, this teacher?
> >> >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/earlyshow/main658998.shtml
>
> >> no, like this one:
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gandhi_studio_1931.jpg
>
> >actually, here's a much better photo of the teacher in action:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Salt_March.jpg
>
> >i couldn't find the one where he's making his own clothes at the
> >spinning wheel.
>
> >-$Zero...
>
> And here I sit wondering where all the babes turned teacher were when
> I was a perpetually horny youth, go figger.
I remember a pretty blonde french teacher...but up close she had a
mustache.
boots
It may be smudged by time but my memory says that all of my female
teachers had reached the age of exponentially increasing wrinkles.
Alan Hope
All women have a moustache up close. Unless they've just depilated.
Even then, it's there on the inside. It's supposed to be. Get over it.
--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com
serenebabe
> Pies de Arcilla goes:
<...>
>> I remember a pretty blonde french teacher...but up close she had a
>> mustache.
>
> All women have a moustache up close. Unless they've just depilated.
> Even then, it's there on the inside. It's supposed to be. Get over it.
Oh, dear. And as we age, we start getting MAN hairs, too. I swear,
every month there are more on my chin. I refuse the stubble! I'm
generally not a very hairy person, so these SHARP BEASTS poking out of
me are just wrong.
I do think the general fear of hair on women is really bizarre (though
I'm totally influenced by it). It's hard to explain to Maya. Luckily we
have a lot of women friends who don't shave anywhere, or pluck these
gastly chin hairs. But I've had to explain why I shave my armpits...
though not a single explanation really makes sense besides, "that's
what feels most comfortable to me." Ugh. I wish I had the balls to go
hairy.
Pies de Arcilla
> I do think the general fear of hair on women is really bizarre (though
> I'm totally influenced by it).
Well, I don't think anyone is actually _afraid_ of hair on women. One
might be afraid of a man because he's unshaven and looks savage, but
probably not a woman.
Pies de Arcilla
Are you telling me I can't remember her mustache in particular?
Alan Hope
I disagree. I think there's definitely a primal fear thing going on
regarding the Western world's taboo on women's body-hair. It's too
grown-up, too fertile, too savage. Women have to be seen as young
girls, as virgins.
It also shows up in the Orthodox way of covering (or shaving) a
woman's hair, in the whole practice of hijab, in female genital
mutilation and clitoridectomy, and in the trend toward unnecesary
hysterectomies.
Men (and their female fellow-travellers) are afraid of all signs of
the mature woman. They must be removed if possible, and otherwise
hidden from view.
Alan Hope
I'm taking issue with your use of the word "but".
Pies de Arcilla
Well, I didn't think her mustache made her prettier. If you saw me
with a mustache, you wouldn't think it improved my looks either. So it
goes.
Pies de Arcilla
Hah.
Nobody can tell whether a woman has shaved her armpits or legs if she
doesn't expose them. I, on the other hand, have to shave my face or
else I look like a terrorist and would be treated like one.
Must be because "women (and their male fellow-travellers) are afraid
of all signs of the mature man. They must be removed if possible, and
otherwise hidden from view."
Jackson Pillock
news:4s9da4l6qj75qn6ci...@4ax.com:
> Pies de Arcilla goes:
>
>>On Aug 15, 11:41 pm, serenebabe <sereneb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I do think the general fear of hair on women is really bizarre (though
>>> I'm totally influenced by it).
>
>>Well, I don't think anyone is actually _afraid_ of hair on women. One
>>might be afraid of a man because he's unshaven and looks savage, but
>>probably not a woman.
>
> I disagree. I think there's definitely a primal fear thing going on
> regarding the Western world's taboo on women's body-hair. It's too
> grown-up, too fertile, too savage. Women have to be seen as young
> girls, as virgins.
It's not just women these days. Increasingly, young men are waxing or
shaving all body hair.
Alan Hope
Your hairy face has nothing to do with the case I was discussing. Why
would you think it does?
Alan Hope
Men are becoming increasingly feminised. I blame pseudo-oestrogens.
The word 'androgynous' is starting to look like wishful thinking.
boots
>Jackson Pillock goes:
>
>>Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:4s9da4l6qj75qn6ci...@4ax.com:
>>> Pies de Arcilla goes:
>>>>On Aug 15, 11:41 pm, serenebabe <sereneb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I do think the general fear of hair on women is really bizarre (though
>>>>> I'm totally influenced by it).
>
>>>>Well, I don't think anyone is actually _afraid_ of hair on women. One
>>>>might be afraid of a man because he's unshaven and looks savage, but
>>>>probably not a woman.
>
>>> I disagree. I think there's definitely a primal fear thing going on
>>> regarding the Western world's taboo on women's body-hair. It's too
>>> grown-up, too fertile, too savage. Women have to be seen as young
>>> girls, as virgins.
>
>>It's not just women these days. Increasingly, young men are waxing or
>>shaving all body hair.
Some are trying to go faster, others are trying to please boyfriends.
I'd pay a good bunch for a way of keeping my facial hair shaved
without having to do the shaving ritual on a regular basis. The rest
of it's good insulation in winter.
>Men are becoming increasingly feminised. I blame pseudo-oestrogens.
>
>The word 'androgynous' is starting to look like wishful thinking.
The first step is wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle, next thing
you know all the hair has to come off to reduce air friction and there
ya go.
Pies de Arcilla
wrote:
> Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote innews:4s9da4l6qj75qn6ci...@4ax.com:
Yeah, I found out about this trend in the Wall Street Journal.
serenebabe
<jackson...@hotmail.com> said:
Interesting point. Today we walked by a group of teenagers who were
accusing a male friend of "having back hair." I can remember thinking
male hairiness was gross, too. But, that's when I was a child (maybe
until I was in my 20s). Today Maya said she doesn't like it when the
Olympic athletes raise their arms because she thinks their arm pit hair
is "icky." I said, "but what about Daddy's?" and made Josh show his.
She said, "Oh, that's cute!" Still, though, I think the hair fear is
seeping into her awareness.
We saw "Dark Knight" today and I was thinking about Heath Ledger's
facial structure. How bony, strong, manly it is. How my ideal lust used
to be Brad Pitt -- I had friends who thought him too much a "pretty
boy." I do still think he's fun to look at, but, there's a certain
wisdom that comes with age and maturing lust comes with it. John
Malkovich, anyone?
serenebabe
> Jackson Pillock goes:
>
>> Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:4s9da4l6qj75qn6ci...@4ax.com:
>>> Pies de Arcilla goes:
>>>> On Aug 15, 11:41 pm, serenebabe <sereneb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I do think the general fear of hair on women is really bizarre (though
>>>>> I'm totally influenced by it).
>
>>>> Well, I don't think anyone is actually _afraid_ of hair on women. One
>>>> might be afraid of a man because he's unshaven and looks savage, but
>>>> probably not a woman.
>
>>> I disagree. I think there's definitely a primal fear thing going on
>>> regarding the Western world's taboo on women's body-hair. It's too
>>> grown-up, too fertile, too savage. Women have to be seen as young
>>> girls, as virgins.
>
>> It's not just women these days. Increasingly, young men are waxing or
>> shaving all body hair.
>
> Men are becoming increasingly feminised. I blame pseudo-oestrogens.
<...>
Oh, creepy. I thought you were talking about the overuse of tofu. I
Googled it. Didn't know about pseudo-estrogens... in plastics and
packaging? Eeeeewwwwww...
Jackson Pillock
>
> We saw "Dark Knight" today and I was thinking about Heath Ledger's
> facial structure. How bony, strong, manly it is. How my ideal lust
> used to be Brad Pitt -- I had friends who thought him too much a
> "pretty boy." I do still think he's fun to look at, but, there's a
> certain wisdom that comes with age and maturing lust comes with it.
> John Malkovich, anyone?
>
>
>
I watched the Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford last
night. Brad Pitt was great as Jesse James. No pretty-boy there. He played a
pale, scarred, cold-blooded killer.
I highly recommend it. The story opens with the James Gang's last train
robbery, on a dark night at Deep Cut, Missouri. The robbers wear ghostly
masks, bearing lanterns in the woods. Jesse keeps a foot on the rail,
feeling for the train's approach...it all has a surreal, nightmarish
quality.
Ray Haddad
and Jackson Pillock <jackson...@hotmail.com> instead replied:
Just think of how different history would be if Missouri was a gun
free zone back then.
--
Ray
Ultraviolet
<>
> She said, "Oh, that's cute!" Still, though, I think the hair fear is
> seeping into her awareness.
That's interesting. I often wonder how you can know if you *really*
like or dislike something, or if you've simply absorbed whatever the
culture tells you. At four (five?) has a child already been programmed
aesthetically? I don't know. Isn't it an amazing coinkydink that
teenaged rebels of every age all like the same music? I remember a
speech class back in 1975 where on the first day we all had to stand
up, say our name, fave band, etc. EVERY boy in the class said
Aerosmith was his fave!
> We saw "Dark Knight" today and I was thinking about Heath Ledger's
> facial structure. How bony, strong, manly it is. How my ideal lust used
> to be Brad Pitt -- I had friends who thought him too much a "pretty
> boy." I do still think he's fun to look at, but, there's a certain
> wisdom that comes with age and maturing lust comes with it. John
> Malkovich, anyone?
I always thought Heath looked effeminate.
--
UV
Alan Hope
>On Aug 17, 6:21 pm, serenebabe <sereneb...@gmail.com> wrote:
><>
>> She said, "Oh, that's cute!" Still, though, I think the hair fear is
>> seeping into her awareness.
>That's interesting. I often wonder how you can know if you *really*
>like or dislike something, or if you've simply absorbed whatever the
>culture tells you. At four (five?) has a child already been programmed
>aesthetically?
Children are not born with a disgust reflex, but it appears before the
age of five. I'm not sure how that factors into a consideration of
body hair, though.
>I don't know. Isn't it an amazing coinkydink that
>teenaged rebels of every age all like the same music? I remember a
>speech class back in 1975 where on the first day we all had to stand
>up, say our name, fave band, etc. EVERY boy in the class said
>Aerosmith was his fave!
When I was in school not a million years before that, you wouldn't
have got two answers the same. I was a big fan of T Rex. One day
everyone's all laughing, like Wot a Teenybopper Hopey is. The next
they're all Yeah Well I Was a Fan from the Very Start.
>> We saw "Dark Knight" today and I was thinking about Heath Ledger's
>> facial structure. How bony, strong, manly it is. How my ideal lust used
>> to be Brad Pitt -- I had friends who thought him too much a "pretty
>> boy." I do still think he's fun to look at, but, there's a certain
>> wisdom that comes with age and maturing lust comes with it. John
>> Malkovich, anyone?
>I always thought Heath looked effeminate.
I don't think of Brad Pitt as a pretty boy at all. George Clooney is
pretty boy material, except he's grown out of it.