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Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 20, 2012, 1:55:50 PM6/20/12
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What a joke our legal system is when even lawyers say criminal
invaders of america can be lawyers!
[QUOTE]
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/19/12298380-california-bar-illegal-immigrant-should-get-law-license?lite
California bar: Illegal immigrant should get law license
Updated at 445 p.m. ET -- An illegal immigrant applying for a law
license in California should be allowed to receive it, the State Bar
of California argues in a filing to the state Supreme Court.
Sergio Garcia, 35, of Chico, Calif., has met the rules for admission,
including passing the bar exam and the moral character review, and his
lack of legal status in the United States should not automatically
disqualify him, the Committee of Bar Examiners said Monday.
“ … Mr. Garcia’s status in the United States, should not, ipso facto,
be grounds for excluding him from law licensure. He has met all of the
prescribed qualifications and there is no reason to believe he cannot
take the oath and faithfully uphold his duties as an attorney,” the
bar said.
Garcia's father is a naturalized citizen, according to the bar, and
Garcia is waiting for a visa that would give him legal permanent
residency. His application for a law license is being weighed by the
court because his case is unprecedented in the state, the bar
committee said.
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Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 20, 2012, 2:18:33 PM6/20/12
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Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
Kent Wills
Jun 20, 2012, 3:08:48 PM6/20/12
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:55:50 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>What a joke our legal system is when even lawyers say criminal
>invaders of america can be lawyers!
>
Since he's not been convicted of a crime, the law doesn't permit
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>What a joke our legal system is when even lawyers say criminal
>invaders of america can be lawyers!
>
his exclusion if he's met all the other requirements.
IMO the law should be changed to correct what I see as an
oversight, but at this time, he can't be denied a license. And it's
just my opinion, so it may never get changed.
>[QUOTE]
>
>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/19/12298380-california-bar-illegal-immigrant-should-get-law-license?lite
>
--
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George
Kent Wills
Jun 20, 2012, 3:09:27 PM6/20/12
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>He's know
>to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
--
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
>Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>He's know
>to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
--
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
Bill Graham
Jun 20, 2012, 3:33:42 PM6/20/12
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would be shot as a spy. Today, he is given a lawyer and a fair trial before
a jury of his peers before anything at all can happen to him. He will
probably end up eating steak and watching TV at Guantanamo Bay......
plainolamerican
Jun 20, 2012, 3:37:42 PM6/20/12
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sure they did ... he's an illegal
Bill Graham
Jun 20, 2012, 3:38:20 PM6/20/12
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Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to be
> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
morning....
brad herschel
Jun 21, 2012, 7:31:44 AM6/21/12
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I suspect American's would be pleased to pay the appx. 10% additional
labor costs if mestizos were removed.
Think of the economic and social renaissance if those 15 million low
IQ rejects were returned to their homelands.
Confronted with such a problem, a rational society would be moving
aggressively to remove such cancer cells.
labor costs if mestizos were removed.
Think of the economic and social renaissance if those 15 million low
IQ rejects were returned to their homelands.
Confronted with such a problem, a rational society would be moving
aggressively to remove such cancer cells.
chicagonut
Jun 21, 2012, 9:07:40 AM6/21/12
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doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage until the
arrival of this cheap, illegal labor.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 9:42:28 AM6/21/12
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anything.
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 11:30:02 AM6/21/12
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Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 21, 2012, 11:53:53 AM6/21/12
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On Jun 20, 1:09 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> GM loves highway criminals <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>
> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
Oh stop with that liberal crap about how the crime of illegally
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> GM loves highway criminals <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>
> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
invading america doesn't count as a real crime!!!
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 21, 2012, 11:56:43 AM6/21/12
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On Jun 20, 1:33 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> It used to be that when an enemy combatant was caught out of uniform, he
> would be shot as a spy. Today, he is given a lawyer and a fair trial before
> a jury of his peers before anything at all can happen to him. He will
> probably end up eating steak and watching TV at Guantanamo Bay......
I've been saying that for years. Foreigners caught in america
>
> It used to be that when an enemy combatant was caught out of uniform, he
> would be shot as a spy. Today, he is given a lawyer and a fair trial before
> a jury of his peers before anything at all can happen to him. He will
> probably end up eating steak and watching TV at Guantanamo Bay......
illegally should be treated as spies.
plainolamerican
Jun 21, 2012, 11:58:51 AM6/21/12
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with honorable Americans asap by any means necessary
Rachel Bolan
Jun 21, 2012, 12:19:40 PM6/21/12
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"Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals" wrote in message
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I agree that your parents should be hanged as traitors, you drunken, donkey
fucking retard.
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 21, 2012, 11:58:19 AM6/21/12
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Besides, this guy has admitted to being here illegally and the case
against him is clear cut.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 12:56:38 PM6/21/12
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On 6/20/2012 1:55 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
What kind of obviously deliberate deviousness is this? "...of Chico,
Calif..."?
While Garcia is even illegally present in Chico, California, (still)
USA, the report does not indicate of what country he is.
Given the (corporatist at that) MxGov, for example, though repeatedly
prohibited from having standing in US courts, to nonetheless seek and
obtain perceptible proxies, the mere potential of the applicant serving,
or being sufficiently influenced by, such a government as Mexico's,
casts an irrevocable doubt on the applicant's ability to perform the
duties of a lawyer in the USA within the fiduciary expectations---and
obligations---incumbent upon a lawyer anywhere in the USA.
As are public officials, no lawyer can appear to have even the mere
potential for serving two masters.
That Garcia even applied, while having to know that the mere potential
just described should and must disqualify his application, is in itself
indicative of having, and intending to have, no regard for fiduciary
obligations. No will to comply.
Likewise the California Bar for even entertaining the application on
these more than ample grounds. Even if Garcia was legally resident to
the USA, and indeed legal in the very jurisdiction monitored for ethical
compliance no less, by the California Bar.
It is yet another example, occurring everywhere in the USA, where MxGov
rule is displacing every aspect of US ethics, law, jurisprudence,
Constitution, governance and very fabric of our lives.
criminals wrote:
>
>
> What a joke our legal system is when even lawyers say criminal
> invaders of america can be lawyers!
>
> [QUOTE]
>
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/19/12298380-california-bar-illegal-immigrant-should-get-law-license?lite
>
> California bar: Illegal immigrant should get law license
>
> Updated at 445 p.m. ET -- An illegal immigrant applying for a law
> license in California should be allowed to receive it, the State Bar
> of California argues in a filing to the state Supreme Court.
>
> Sergio Garcia, 35, of Chico, Calif...
>
>
> What a joke our legal system is when even lawyers say criminal
> invaders of america can be lawyers!
>
> [QUOTE]
>
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/19/12298380-california-bar-illegal-immigrant-should-get-law-license?lite
>
> California bar: Illegal immigrant should get law license
>
> Updated at 445 p.m. ET -- An illegal immigrant applying for a law
> license in California should be allowed to receive it, the State Bar
> of California argues in a filing to the state Supreme Court.
>
What kind of obviously deliberate deviousness is this? "...of Chico,
Calif..."?
While Garcia is even illegally present in Chico, California, (still)
USA, the report does not indicate of what country he is.
Given the (corporatist at that) MxGov, for example, though repeatedly
prohibited from having standing in US courts, to nonetheless seek and
obtain perceptible proxies, the mere potential of the applicant serving,
or being sufficiently influenced by, such a government as Mexico's,
casts an irrevocable doubt on the applicant's ability to perform the
duties of a lawyer in the USA within the fiduciary expectations---and
obligations---incumbent upon a lawyer anywhere in the USA.
As are public officials, no lawyer can appear to have even the mere
potential for serving two masters.
That Garcia even applied, while having to know that the mere potential
just described should and must disqualify his application, is in itself
indicative of having, and intending to have, no regard for fiduciary
obligations. No will to comply.
Likewise the California Bar for even entertaining the application on
these more than ample grounds. Even if Garcia was legally resident to
the USA, and indeed legal in the very jurisdiction monitored for ethical
compliance no less, by the California Bar.
It is yet another example, occurring everywhere in the USA, where MxGov
rule is displacing every aspect of US ethics, law, jurisprudence,
Constitution, governance and very fabric of our lives.
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 12:56:52 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/12 10:56 AM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
Would that be about the same length of time you've been off your meds?
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 12:59:28 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/12 10:58 AM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
rights US citizens have except the right to vote, the right to remain in
the US, and the right to hold federal office. They have all human
rights because those are ... drum roll please .. inalienable rights that
everyone possesses as the consequence of being human.
Why do you hate our country?
criminals wrote:
> On Jun 20, 1:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>>
>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>
>> Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to be
>> proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
>> given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
>> million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
>> morning....
>
> Illegals have no rights. Not to a jury trial or anything else.
Oopsie! Another unamerican ignoramus sounds off. Illegals have all
> On Jun 20, 1:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>>
>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>
>> Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to be
>> proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
>> given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
>> million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
>> morning....
>
> Illegals have no rights. Not to a jury trial or anything else.
rights US citizens have except the right to vote, the right to remain in
the US, and the right to hold federal office. They have all human
rights because those are ... drum roll please .. inalienable rights that
everyone possesses as the consequence of being human.
Why do you hate our country?
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 1:00:28 PM6/21/12
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You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
permission and try it.
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 1:04:00 PM6/21/12
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fault.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 1:14:46 PM6/21/12
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On 6/20/2012 2:18 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
else are not intervening in such legal bar associations as California's
for---at minimum---grossly unethical practices.
"At minimum" (whoops, according to Edweenie aka deadrat, I just "scare
quoteded" myself), given the action of the California so-called Bar
Association goes far beyond aiding and abetting illegal activity to in
fact reward and assure it.
criminals wrote:
> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
Because, in part, the Feds who selectively intervene in most everything
> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
else are not intervening in such legal bar associations as California's
for---at minimum---grossly unethical practices.
"At minimum" (whoops, according to Edweenie aka deadrat, I just "scare
quoteded" myself), given the action of the California so-called Bar
Association goes far beyond aiding and abetting illegal activity to in
fact reward and assure it.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 1:17:24 PM6/21/12
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On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>
> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>
>> He's know
>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>
> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>
> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>
>> He's know
>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>
> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
that immigration law is enforced?
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 1:26:47 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 9:42 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
> anything.
>
Obviously an innocent typo. Did you mean "Except that only those who are
> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
> anything.
>
authorized to do anything" can't or don't?
It matters little as both prevail.
As it is: there is no "authority" in the USA that does not rest on the
authority granted---and thus expected to be performed---by "We the
People of the USA." Non-performance is certainly not "authorized," while
those public-officials and offices so negligent in the expectation to
perform lose any and all authority for anything.
Rachel Bolan
Jun 21, 2012, 1:57:03 PM6/21/12
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"deadrat" wrote in message
news:J-KdnVrFRYqcyX7S...@giganews.com...
I agree. But JUDY was brought UP that way, and she digs it still!
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 2:28:36 PM6/21/12
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cement for a licensed US home construction firm somehow rationalizing
the supposed right of a proxy for the firm's absentee-owner in MxCty to
clean out your neighbor's bank account over the new home's botched
foundation?
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 2:30:28 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 2:39:32 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 12:59 PM, deadrat wrote:
>
> Oopsie! Another unamerican ignoramus sounds off. Illegals have all
> rights US citizens have except the right to vote, the right to remain in
> the US, and the right to hold federal office. They have all human
> rights because those are ... drum roll please .. inalienable rights that
> everyone possesses as the consequence of being human.
>
> Why do you hate our country?
"Oopsie!" Either Edweenie (aka deadrat) inadvertently grabbed the tired
>
> Oopsie! Another unamerican ignoramus sounds off. Illegals have all
> rights US citizens have except the right to vote, the right to remain in
> the US, and the right to hold federal office. They have all human
> rights because those are ... drum roll please .. inalienable rights that
> everyone possesses as the consequence of being human.
>
> Why do you hate our country?
script from El Meglos' stockpile and posted it or El Meglo mistakenly
made the tired post from his stockpile of scripts under Edweenies'
deadrat moniker.
You two must be getting awfully dizzy by now.
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 3:21:19 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/12 12:14 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 2:18 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
<snip/>>
> On 6/20/2012 2:18 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
> "At minimum" (whoops, according to Edweenie aka deadrat
Adjust the beanie on your tinfoil hat. I'm not Edweenie.
> , I just "scare quoteded" myself)
If you mean that you misused the quote marks, yes, you did.
Ignoramus.
<snip/>
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 3:22:01 PM6/21/12
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Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:25:50 PM6/21/12
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I did point out that since he's broken no other laws, there was
no reason for law enforcement to arrest him.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:26:45 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT), plainolamerican
<plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>> >law enforcement had no reason to arrest him
>> >---
>> >sure they did ... he's an illegal
>>
>> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>> anything.
>>
>> --
>> "I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
>> you need to know, gov!"
>> - Shouting George
>
>only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>anything.
>--
>and they're not doing their fucking job ... they should be replaced
>with honorable Americans asap by any means necessary
Then please lobby to have this done. Work to get city, county
and state law enforcement the authority to arrest and deport illegal
aliens.
--
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
<plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>> >law enforcement had no reason to arrest him
>> >---
>> >sure they did ... he's an illegal
>>
>> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>> anything.
>>
>> --
>> "I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
>> you need to know, gov!"
>> - Shouting George
>
>only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>anything.
>--
>and they're not doing their fucking job ... they should be replaced
>with honorable Americans asap by any means necessary
and state law enforcement the authority to arrest and deport illegal
aliens.
--
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:26:53 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Jun 20, 1:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>>
>> > Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
>> > to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>
>> Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to be
>> proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
>> given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
>> million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
>> morning....
>
>Illegals have no rights.
Liar.
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Jun 20, 1:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>>
>> > Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
>> > to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>
>> Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to be
>> proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
>> given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
>> million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
>> morning....
>
>Illegals have no rights.
> Not to a jury trial or anything else.
>Besides, this guy has admitted to being here illegally and the case
>against him is clear cut.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:27:07 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:00:28 -0500, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
[...]
>> only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>> anything.
><snip/>
>
>You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
>permission and try it.
Clearly I am thinking. Or do you believe a city police officer
has the authority to deport people?
--
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.
[...]
>> only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>> anything.
><snip/>
>
>You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
>permission and try it.
has the authority to deport people?
--
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:27:16 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
Whereas it's a state agency, it does not have the ability to
influence federal authorities to act. At least not in the way I
presume you mean.
wrote:
influence federal authorities to act. At least not in the way I
presume you mean.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:28:26 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:26:47 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 9:42 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
>
>> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>> anything.
>>
>
>Obviously an innocent typo. Did you mean "Except that only those who are
>authorized to do anything" can't or don't?
>
There is no typo.
>It matters little as both prevail.
>
Whereas city, county and state law enforcement cannot arrest and
deport illegal's for being illegal, your claim fails.
>As it is: there is no "authority" in the USA that does not rest on the
>authority granted---and thus expected to be performed---by "We the
>People of the USA."
Quoting from the Declaration of Independence, while nice, doesn't
support your position.
>Non-performance is certainly not "authorized," while
>those public-officials and offices so negligent in the expectation to
>perform lose any and all authority for anything.
>
Since city, county and state law enforcement are not authorized
to arrest and deport illegals (they can detain them for ICE), your
argument fails.
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 9:42 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
>
>> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
>> anything.
>>
>
>Obviously an innocent typo. Did you mean "Except that only those who are
>authorized to do anything" can't or don't?
>
>It matters little as both prevail.
>
deport illegal's for being illegal, your claim fails.
>As it is: there is no "authority" in the USA that does not rest on the
>authority granted---and thus expected to be performed---by "We the
>People of the USA."
support your position.
>Non-performance is certainly not "authorized," while
>those public-officials and offices so negligent in the expectation to
>perform lose any and all authority for anything.
>
to arrest and deport illegals (they can detain them for ICE), your
argument fails.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 3:28:30 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>
>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>
>Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>
It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.
--
I could write about nobel gasses, but there would be no reaction.
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>
>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>
>Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>
--
I could write about nobel gasses, but there would be no reaction.
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 3:55:08 PM6/21/12
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person who makes a claims carries the burdens of production and proof.
That means I don't have to do the homework to disprove whatever nonsense
you (or anyone else) claims. The claimer provides the evidence.
For instance, if you claim that pictures of people sitting at card
tables are Mexican citizens trying to register people to vote in
Georgia, you have to identify those people and document that they're aliens.
Got it?
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 3:56:00 PM6/21/12
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English usage.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 5:17:36 PM6/21/12
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Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
with deadrat.
with deadrat.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 5:22:26 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 3:27 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>>>
>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>>>
>>>> He's know
>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>
>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>
>>
>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
>> that immigration law is enforced?
>>
>
> Whereas it's a state agency,...
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>>>
>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>>>
>>>> He's know
>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>
>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>
>>
>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
>> that immigration law is enforced?
>>
>
The California Bar Association is a "state agency"?
If anything, its become an agency of the MxGov.
> it does not have the ability to
It certainly does have the "influence."
> At least not in the way I
> presume you mean.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 5:34:33 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>
>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>
>
> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>
>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>
>
> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
If you believe you should, then go ahead.
Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
hardly makes sense.
Like I said before: "Take it easy."
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 6:21:55 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/12 4:34 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>
>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>
>>
>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>
> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
You still bear the burden of backing up your crazed claims, Don Gazpacho.
> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>
>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>
>>
>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>
> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
> Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
> If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>
> Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
> hardly makes sense.
>
> Like I said before: "Take it easy."
With a beanie.
Bill Graham
Jun 21, 2012, 6:25:53 PM6/21/12
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chicagonut wrote:
> On Jun 20, 12:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>>
>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
wonl;t have any money left over if you give 15 million people a fair triqal
before a jury of their peerws before deporting them. It had nothing to do
with illkegal aliens picking crops. the plain fact of the matter, is that
our INS dropped the ball sometime between about 1950 and today. It is too
late for them to correct their mistake now. They should have done a better
job of controlling our borderf during the last 60 odd years. Now, with 15
million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is nothing they can do
about it. - I am not surprised. I have yet to see anything my government
does, done efficiently. Their main field of expertise is spending my money
like water. It is far too late for them to use the ounce of prevention. Now
they need the pound of cure, and we just don't have that much cure to give
them every April 15th.
> On Jun 20, 12:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>>
>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>
>>
>> Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to
>> be proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of
>> law, and given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving
>> that to 15 million people and still be able to put food on your
>> table tomorrow morning....
>
>> be proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of
>> law, and given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving
>> that to 15 million people and still be able to put food on your
>> table tomorrow morning....
>
> Only 3% of illegal aliens are picking crops. The other 97% are
> doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage until the
> arrival of this cheap, illegal labor.
I used, "putting food on your table tomorrow morning" to mean that you
> doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage until the
> arrival of this cheap, illegal labor.
wonl;t have any money left over if you give 15 million people a fair triqal
before a jury of their peerws before deporting them. It had nothing to do
with illkegal aliens picking crops. the plain fact of the matter, is that
our INS dropped the ball sometime between about 1950 and today. It is too
late for them to correct their mistake now. They should have done a better
job of controlling our borderf during the last 60 odd years. Now, with 15
million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is nothing they can do
about it. - I am not surprised. I have yet to see anything my government
does, done efficiently. Their main field of expertise is spending my money
like water. It is far too late for them to use the ounce of prevention. Now
they need the pound of cure, and we just don't have that much cure to give
them every April 15th.
Bill Graham
Jun 21, 2012, 6:58:35 PM6/21/12
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Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
> On Jun 20, 1:33 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> It used to be that when an enemy combatant was caught out of
>> uniform, he would be shot as a spy. Today, he is given a lawyer and
>> a fair trial before a jury of his peers before anything at all can
>> happen to him. He will probably end up eating steak and watching TV
>> at Guantanamo Bay......
>
> I've been saying that for years. Foreigners caught in america
> illegally should be treated as spies.
And I would have agreed with you back in 1950. But today, after the INS has
>
>>
>> It used to be that when an enemy combatant was caught out of
>> uniform, he would be shot as a spy. Today, he is given a lawyer and
>> a fair trial before a jury of his peers before anything at all can
>> happen to him. He will probably end up eating steak and watching TV
>> at Guantanamo Bay......
>
> I've been saying that for years. Foreigners caught in america
> illegally should be treated as spies.
done effectively nothing for the last 60 odd years, it is too late to do
that. Now we have over 15 million undocumented aliens here, and there is
nothing we can do about it. We can't even get all those tax dollars back
that we have given to the INS for doing nothing for 60 years! So, we just
have to support those illegals the best way we can. That's why I have
several of them cleaning up my yard right now.......:^)
Bill Graham
Jun 21, 2012, 7:19:12 PM6/21/12
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Kent Wills wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>>>
>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>>>
>>>> He's know
>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>
>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>
>>
>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to
>> it that immigration law is enforced?
>>
>
> Whereas it's a state agency, it does not have the ability to
> influence federal authorities to act. At least not in the way I
> presume you mean.
I think the state police should be allowed to arrest them, put them on a
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>>>
>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>>>
>>>> He's know
>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>
>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>
>>
>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to
>> it that immigration law is enforced?
>>
>
> Whereas it's a state agency, it does not have the ability to
> influence federal authorities to act. At least not in the way I
> presume you mean.
prison bus, and deliver them to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington
DC.....:^)
deadrat
Jun 21, 2012, 7:47:33 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/12 6:19 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
>>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
>>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>>>>
>>>>> He's know
>>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>>
>>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>>
>>>
>>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to
>>> it that immigration law is enforced?
>>>
>>
>> Whereas it's a state agency, it does not have the ability to
>> influence federal authorities to act. At least not in the way I
>> presume you mean.
>
> I think <snip/>
> Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/20/2012 3:09 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
>>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
>>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>>>>
>>>>> He's know
>>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>>
>>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>>
>>>
>>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to
>>> it that immigration law is enforced?
>>>
>>
>> Whereas it's a state agency, it does not have the ability to
>> influence federal authorities to act. At least not in the way I
>> presume you mean.
>
Whoa, Sparky. Ya lost me right there.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 9:42:09 PM6/21/12
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don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 9:45:05 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 6:21 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/21/12 4:34 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>>
>>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>>
>> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>
> You still bear the<snip/>
> On 6/21/12 4:34 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>>
>>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>>
>> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 9:47:14 PM6/21/12
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On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is nothing
> they can do about it.
Don't believe it. They can.
> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is nothing
> they can do about it.
don Gabacho
Jun 21, 2012, 9:57:16 PM6/21/12
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Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 10:04:42 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:22:26 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
[...]
>>>>
>>>>> He's know
>>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>>
>>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>>
>>>
>>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
>>> that immigration law is enforced?
>>>
>>
>> Whereas it's a state agency,...
>
>The California Bar Association is a "state agency"?
That it has California in it kind of gives it away.
>
>If anything, its become an agency of the MxGov.
Please provide your evidence of such.
>
>> it does not have the ability to
>> influence federal authorities to act...
>
>It certainly does have the "influence."
>
>> At least not in the way I
>> presume you mean.
>
>How in the world am I expected to know what you presume me to mean?
>
It appears you think the state bar can somehow get the federal
authorities to act in a specific way.
wrote:
[...]
>>>>
>>>>> He's know
>>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>>
>>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>>
>>>
>>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
>>> that immigration law is enforced?
>>>
>>
>> Whereas it's a state agency,...
>
>The California Bar Association is a "state agency"?
>
>If anything, its become an agency of the MxGov.
>
>> it does not have the ability to
>> influence federal authorities to act...
>
>It certainly does have the "influence."
>
>> At least not in the way I
>> presume you mean.
>
>How in the world am I expected to know what you presume me to mean?
>
authorities to act in a specific way.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 10:05:26 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:34:33 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
I expect he is. But it's not his obligation to research the
claims of another.
>
>If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>
I didn't make the claim he wants cited.
>Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
>hardly makes sense.
It goes to support a position that you were lying.
>
>Like I said before: "Take it easy."
>
I'm taking it very easy. You're not making any effort to support
your position. This makes supporting mine very simple.
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>
>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>
>>
>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>
>This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>
It still befalls the claimant to prove the claim.
>On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>
>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>
>>
>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>
>This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>
>Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
claims of another.
>
>If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>
>Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
>hardly makes sense.
>
>Like I said before: "Take it easy."
>
your position. This makes supporting mine very simple.
Kent Wills
Jun 21, 2012, 10:04:49 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
>Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>with deadrat.
>
In what way do you think we exchange posts? Neither of us has
had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
And in most matters, we actually disagree.
wrote:
>Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>with deadrat.
>
had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
And in most matters, we actually disagree.
deadrat
Jun 22, 2012, 1:20:43 AM6/22/12
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On 6/21/12 6:31 AM, brad herschel wrote:
> I suspect American's would be pleased to pay the appx. 10% additional
> labor costs if mestizos were removed.
>
> Think of the economic and social renaissance if those 15 million low
> IQ rejects were returned to their homelands.
>
> Confronted with such a problem, a rational society would be moving
> aggressively to remove such cancer cells.
He who slanders a community commits a sin he cannot atone for.
Nice work.
> I suspect American's would be pleased to pay the appx. 10% additional
> labor costs if mestizos were removed.
>
> Think of the economic and social renaissance if those 15 million low
> IQ rejects were returned to their homelands.
>
> Confronted with such a problem, a rational society would be moving
> aggressively to remove such cancer cells.
He who slanders a community commits a sin he cannot atone for.
Nice work.
Not Sure
Jun 22, 2012, 1:57:35 AM6/22/12
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On Jun 21, 4:47 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> On 6/21/12 6:19 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Kent Wills wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:17:24 -0400, don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com>
> On 6/21/12 6:19 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Kent Wills wrote:
Not Sure
Jun 22, 2012, 1:59:14 AM6/22/12
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On Jun 21, 9:59 am, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> On 6/21/12 10:58 AM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
>
> criminals wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 1:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>
> >>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
> On 6/21/12 10:58 AM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
>
> criminals wrote:
> > On Jun 20, 1:38 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
>
> >>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago?? He's know
> >>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>
>
> >> Because, "he's known to be here illegaly" doesn't cut it. He has to be
> >> proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
> >> given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
> >> million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
> >> morning....
>
> > Illegals have no rights. Not to a jury trial or anything else.
> >> proved to be here illegally by a jury of his peers in a court of law, and
> >> given full access to a lawyer well in advance... Try giving that to 15
> >> million people and still be able to put food on your table tomorrow
> >> morning....
>
>
> Oopsie! Another unamerican ignoramus sounds off. Illegals have all
> rights US citizens have except the right to vote, the right to remain in
> the US, and the right to hold federal office. They have all human
> rights because those are ... drum roll please .. inalienable rights that
> everyone possesses as the consequence of being human.
>
> Why do you hate our country?
Ramon's really losing his cool here, isn't he? :)
> Oopsie! Another unamerican ignoramus sounds off. Illegals have all
> rights US citizens have except the right to vote, the right to remain in
> the US, and the right to hold federal office. They have all human
> rights because those are ... drum roll please .. inalienable rights that
> everyone possesses as the consequence of being human.
>
> Why do you hate our country?
Bill Graham
Jun 22, 2012, 4:52:51 PM6/22/12
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are doing. ASAMOF they are rushing to do it before the other party does it,
so they can reap as many of those votes as possible. And, neither you nor I
can stop it.
deadrat
Jun 22, 2012, 8:39:47 PM6/22/12
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your tinfoil hat.
don Gabacho
Jun 22, 2012, 11:31:10 PM6/22/12
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On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>> with deadrat.
>>
>
> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
I meant within the thread.
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>> with deadrat.
>>
>
> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
> Neither of us has
> had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
> And in most matters, we actually disagree.
don Gabacho
Jun 22, 2012, 11:33:32 PM6/22/12
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On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
it certainly can.
deadrat
Jun 23, 2012, 12:02:38 AM6/23/12
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ability to disbar attorneys from practicing law in California would mean
anything to DHS or ICE concerning immigration law violations.
don Gabacho
Jun 23, 2012, 12:14:05 AM6/23/12
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On 6/21/2012 10:05 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:34:33 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>>
>>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>>
>> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>>
>
> It still befalls the claimant to prove the claim.
>
>> Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
>
> I expect he is. But it's not his obligation to research the
> claims of another.
>
>>
>> If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>>
>
> I didn't make the claim he wants cited.
I already gave him the cites. The first photographs of persons actively
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:34:33 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>>
>>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>>
>> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>>
>
> It still befalls the claimant to prove the claim.
>
>> Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
>
> I expect he is. But it's not his obligation to research the
> claims of another.
>
>>
>> If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>>
>
> I didn't make the claim he wants cited.
involved "Si, Se, Puede" "Moving America Forward" "Latino Voter
Regitration Drives" as they advertise themselves doing of which I claim
to be officials and employees of the MxGov.
The second cite is the proof of---at minimum---the offical obviously
managing the event, "Charlotte Carral," being an official of the MxGov
by offering a salary statement of the MxGov itself.
Deadrat has since claimed the links do not work, when they do, the links
point to "cartoons" which they don't and the salary record not being a
voter registration form he lies saying I said it was and it being a mere
list of some contractors, etc.
This well practiced rigamarole is deliberate to deflect the truth by
confounding persons like yourself who, listening to the deliberate
censor, demands even more repetition for the purpose of taking a look at
something they didn't bother to look at to begin with and move on into
any constructive discourse.
As I've said before Deadrat is a member of a troupe artfully plaguing
this newsgroups and others with the ploy to deliberately defeat oppostion.
He does the same in any argument he makes regarding the law as well.
It's a common tactic employed by Mexico's governance in its constant and
obsessive pursuit to impose---in a single word---hegemony.
>> Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
>> hardly makes sense.
>
> It goes to support a position that you were lying.
look at the cites already provided, ask me what you wish of them, to
instead have Deadrat tell you what to think; and even lie about what I
meant---which, so far, you have allowed to stand.
I know what I have posted, said and meant.
Now, please, do provide the "cite" that has made you such a---witting or
not--- puppet of Deadrat's.
I've invited you to depend on yourself to do research you didn't bother
to do to begin with. Even the simple research of clicking on the cited
links already provided. How can you expect anyone to do more for you
than that? Instead you let the liar Deadrat tell you what they
supposedly are.
I have even asked you how you could expect any one to help you learn
anything when considering them a possible liar? Particularly when having
allowed yourself be influenced by anyone as patently driven to lie and
lying as Deadrat?
As it is, I have to prove nothing to anyone, such as Deadrat, who is
doing everything he can to suppress the truth while even pretending to
be demanding it.
Even when he's the investigator, judge and jury of absolutely nothing
anyway.
>>
>> Like I said before: "Take it easy."
>>
>
> I'm taking it very easy. You're not making any effort to support
> your position. This makes supporting mine very simple.
don Gabacho
Jun 23, 2012, 12:26:02 AM6/23/12
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On 6/22/2012 4:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>
>> Don't believe it. They can.
>
> Yes they can....
By simply fencing in the MxConsulates and monitoring everyone of every
> don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>
>> Don't believe it. They can.
>
> Yes they can....
race, creed, color, nationality, gender, etc. for being in the country
legally while announcing the party is over.
1st time violation: stiff fines for buisnesses employing illegal plus
community service for offending owners and management; 2nd time
violation: much worse.
It's that simple, inexpensive and humane.
> They can legalize them all. And that's exactly what
> they are doing. ASAMOF they are rushing to do it before the other party
> does it, so they can reap as many of those votes as possible.
. And,
> neither you nor I can stop it.
don Gabacho
Jun 23, 2012, 12:28:02 AM6/23/12
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Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 4:54:47 AM6/23/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:28:02 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
It's an insurance company, though I doubt this is what you mean.
--
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George
wrote:
--
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George
Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 4:55:00 AM6/23/12
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:10 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
actually been with you.
>> Neither of us has
>> had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
>> And in most matters, we actually disagree.
>
>See above.
>
And you're still wrong.
--
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>>> with deadrat.
>>>
>>
>> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
>
>I meant within the thread.
>
We've exchanged few post in this thread. Most exchanges have
>On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>>> with deadrat.
>>>
>>
>> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
>
>I meant within the thread.
>
actually been with you.
>> Neither of us has
>> had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
>> And in most matters, we actually disagree.
>
>See above.
>
--
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.
Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 4:55:11 AM6/23/12
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:33:32 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
And how do you propose this would get the federal authorities to
do anything?
--
'Life is pain. Anybody that says different is selling something.'
-- Fezzik's mother
do anything?
--
'Life is pain. Anybody that says different is selling something.'
-- Fezzik's mother
Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 4:56:43 AM6/23/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:14:05 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>The first photographs of persons actively
>involved "Si, Se, Puede" "Moving America Forward" "Latino Voter
>Regitration Drives"
Si, se, Puede translates as "Yes, it's possible." "Yes we can"
is an acceptable translation as well.
In case you missed it before, I'm fluent in Spanish. Your lying
about the translation may work for anyone who does not know the
Spanish language, but not with me.
I recommend avoiding Polish, Italian and French as well.
>as they advertise themselves doing of which I claim
>to be officials and employees of the MxGov.
There was nothing in the picture that shows anything about the
Mexican government. Many present are clearly of Hispanic heritage,
but this fails to support your claim that Mexico is behind the
registration.
And you've offered nothing to support your claim that they are
officials and employees of the Mexican government.
>
>The second cite is the proof of---at minimum---the offical obviously
>managing the event, "Charlotte Carral," being an official of the MxGov
>by offering a salary statement of the MxGov itself.
Since Deadrat already exposed your lie regarding this, I don't
need to.
>
>Deadrat has since claimed the links do not work,
He did? How then was he able to expose your LIE?
>when they do, the links
>point to "cartoons" which they don't and the salary record not being a
>voter registration form he lies saying I said it was and it being a mere
>list of some contractors, etc.
He made no mention of cartoons that I saw. He did expose your
lie by pointing out that it lists contractors who may not have yet
been paid, as of the date of the list (2008).
>
>This well practiced rigamarole is deliberate to deflect the truth by
>confounding persons like yourself who, listening to the deliberate
>censor, demands even more repetition for the purpose of taking a look at
>something they didn't bother to look at to begin with and move on into
>any constructive discourse.
>
You've yet to offer a cite to support, let alone prove, your
claim.
>As I've said before Deadrat is a member of a troupe artfully plaguing
>this newsgroups and others with the ploy to deliberately defeat oppostion.
That's how a debate works. One side wants to defeat their
opposition.
>
>He does the same in any argument he makes regarding the law as well.
You'll note, he also offers cites.
>
>It's a common tactic employed by Mexico's governance in its constant and
>obsessive pursuit to impose---in a single word---hegemony.
>
How odd that you are still unable to offer any cites.
>>> Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
>>> hardly makes sense.
>>
>> It goes to support a position that you were lying.
>
>You are telling me I can be "lying" without having bothered yourself to
>look at the cites already provided,
Whereas the post you replied to was sent BEFORE your links, your
deception fails.
And I'm sure no one noticed that the post to which you are
replying was sent hours BEFORE you posted your links. Everyone is as
dim witted as you and would think I posted after your links were sent.
The post to which you replied was sent at 9:05PM on June 21,
2012.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.immigration.usa/msg/aedbb68cad553fa4
The post with your links was sent at 12:54AM on June 22, 2012. Almost
four hours later.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/d8b1384fc8670b8b
Your lie has been exposed. And it took me all of 15 seconds to do
it.
You're not very good at this, Don.
>ask me what you wish of them, to
>instead have Deadrat tell you what to think; and even lie about what I
>meant---which, so far, you have allowed to stand.
He's never told me to think anything.
But please, provide your evidence that he has. That we agree on
this topic doesn't mean he, or anyone else, is telling me what to
think.
>
>I know what I have posted, said and meant.
>
It's a pity no one else can figure out what you meant.
>Now, please, do provide the "cite" that has made you such a---witting or
>not--- puppet of Deadrat's.
See links above. They PROVE you a liar.
>
>I've invited you to depend on yourself to do research you didn't bother
>to do to begin with.
It's not my job to research your claims.
>Even the simple research of clicking on the cited
>links already provided.
Nearly four hours AFTER my post was sent. See links above that
PROVE you the liar you are.
>How can you expect anyone to do more for you
>than that? Instead you let the liar Deadrat tell you what they
>supposedly are.
I would expect you not to lie, but that is clearly expecting too
much.
And I can see the images myself, and I have. They don't support
your claim. Pictures of "Orange Juice Day" in Finland don't mean
anything:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/kwills_photo/06b164a6.jpg
Obviously I changed the text. You'll note it's easy to read in
the picture.
The point I'm making is that your link proved nothing. The claim
that the Mexican government is behind voter registration is as
unsupported as the claim that the pictures were taken at Orange Juice
Day in Finland.
The difference is that I'm being honest and stating nothing about
Finland is related to the image.
>
>I have even asked you how you could expect any one to help you learn
>anything when considering them a possible liar?
When you work as hard as you do to ensure your lies will be
exposed, I can consider you nothing less than what you want.
>Particularly when having
>allowed yourself be influenced by anyone as patently driven to lie and
>lying as Deadrat?
Cite one lie from him. Just one is all I ask.
>
>As it is, I have to prove nothing to anyone, such as Deadrat, who is
>doing everything he can to suppress the truth while even pretending to
>be demanding it.
>
Cite one instance where he has done as you claim.
>Even when he's the investigator, judge and jury of absolutely nothing
>anyway.
So you admit you're claims are nothing. Since you want him to
investigate them, you must be making the claim.
>
>>>
>>> Like I said before: "Take it easy."
>>>
>>
>> I'm taking it very easy. You're not making any effort to support
>> your position. This makes supporting mine very simple.
>
>Puppet.
>
That you had to LIE ruins your attempt at an insult.
In the future, don't make it so easy to prove you a liar.
wrote:
>On 6/21/2012 10:05 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:34:33 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>>>
>>> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>>> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>>>
>>
>> It still befalls the claimant to prove the claim.
>>
>>> Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
>>
>> I expect he is. But it's not his obligation to research the
>> claims of another.
>>
>>>
>>> If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't make the claim he wants cited.
>
>I already gave him the cites.
AFTER the post from me to which you replied was sent.
>On 6/21/2012 10:05 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:34:33 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 3:28 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:30:28 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/2012 11:30 AM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I don't believe you, but cite, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has it ever occurred to you to be your own librarian?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It befalls the claimant to prove the claim.>
>>>
>>> This is a Usenet group not a court of law or, as deadrat always has it,
>>> the arena for a crazed Ministerio Público.
>>>
>>
>> It still befalls the claimant to prove the claim.
>>
>>> Deadrat should be thoroughly capable of being his own librarian.
>>
>> I expect he is. But it's not his obligation to research the
>> claims of another.
>>
>>>
>>> If you believe you should, then go ahead.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't make the claim he wants cited.
>
>I already gave him the cites.
>The first photographs of persons actively
>involved "Si, Se, Puede" "Moving America Forward" "Latino Voter
>Regitration Drives"
is an acceptable translation as well.
In case you missed it before, I'm fluent in Spanish. Your lying
about the translation may work for anyone who does not know the
Spanish language, but not with me.
I recommend avoiding Polish, Italian and French as well.
>as they advertise themselves doing of which I claim
>to be officials and employees of the MxGov.
Mexican government. Many present are clearly of Hispanic heritage,
but this fails to support your claim that Mexico is behind the
registration.
And you've offered nothing to support your claim that they are
officials and employees of the Mexican government.
>
>The second cite is the proof of---at minimum---the offical obviously
>managing the event, "Charlotte Carral," being an official of the MxGov
>by offering a salary statement of the MxGov itself.
need to.
>
>Deadrat has since claimed the links do not work,
>when they do, the links
>point to "cartoons" which they don't and the salary record not being a
>voter registration form he lies saying I said it was and it being a mere
>list of some contractors, etc.
lie by pointing out that it lists contractors who may not have yet
been paid, as of the date of the list (2008).
>
>This well practiced rigamarole is deliberate to deflect the truth by
>confounding persons like yourself who, listening to the deliberate
>censor, demands even more repetition for the purpose of taking a look at
>something they didn't bother to look at to begin with and move on into
>any constructive discourse.
>
claim.
>As I've said before Deadrat is a member of a troupe artfully plaguing
>this newsgroups and others with the ploy to deliberately defeat oppostion.
opposition.
>
>He does the same in any argument he makes regarding the law as well.
>
>It's a common tactic employed by Mexico's governance in its constant and
>obsessive pursuit to impose---in a single word---hegemony.
>
>>> Responding to me instead of just providing the cite the slacker demands
>>> hardly makes sense.
>>
>> It goes to support a position that you were lying.
>
>You are telling me I can be "lying" without having bothered yourself to
>look at the cites already provided,
deception fails.
And I'm sure no one noticed that the post to which you are
replying was sent hours BEFORE you posted your links. Everyone is as
dim witted as you and would think I posted after your links were sent.
The post to which you replied was sent at 9:05PM on June 21,
2012.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.immigration.usa/msg/aedbb68cad553fa4
The post with your links was sent at 12:54AM on June 22, 2012. Almost
four hours later.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/d8b1384fc8670b8b
Your lie has been exposed. And it took me all of 15 seconds to do
it.
You're not very good at this, Don.
>ask me what you wish of them, to
>instead have Deadrat tell you what to think; and even lie about what I
>meant---which, so far, you have allowed to stand.
But please, provide your evidence that he has. That we agree on
this topic doesn't mean he, or anyone else, is telling me what to
think.
>
>I know what I have posted, said and meant.
>
>Now, please, do provide the "cite" that has made you such a---witting or
>not--- puppet of Deadrat's.
>
>I've invited you to depend on yourself to do research you didn't bother
>to do to begin with.
>Even the simple research of clicking on the cited
>links already provided.
PROVE you the liar you are.
>How can you expect anyone to do more for you
>than that? Instead you let the liar Deadrat tell you what they
>supposedly are.
much.
And I can see the images myself, and I have. They don't support
your claim. Pictures of "Orange Juice Day" in Finland don't mean
anything:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/kwills_photo/06b164a6.jpg
Obviously I changed the text. You'll note it's easy to read in
the picture.
The point I'm making is that your link proved nothing. The claim
that the Mexican government is behind voter registration is as
unsupported as the claim that the pictures were taken at Orange Juice
Day in Finland.
The difference is that I'm being honest and stating nothing about
Finland is related to the image.
>
>I have even asked you how you could expect any one to help you learn
>anything when considering them a possible liar?
exposed, I can consider you nothing less than what you want.
>Particularly when having
>allowed yourself be influenced by anyone as patently driven to lie and
>lying as Deadrat?
>
>As it is, I have to prove nothing to anyone, such as Deadrat, who is
>doing everything he can to suppress the truth while even pretending to
>be demanding it.
>
>Even when he's the investigator, judge and jury of absolutely nothing
>anyway.
investigate them, you must be making the claim.
>
>>>
>>> Like I said before: "Take it easy."
>>>
>>
>> I'm taking it very easy. You're not making any effort to support
>> your position. This makes supporting mine very simple.
>
>Puppet.
>
In the future, don't make it so easy to prove you a liar.
Wayne
Jun 23, 2012, 12:36:22 PM6/23/12
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"deadrat" wrote in message
news:kamdnSjg1vJDonjS...@giganews.com...
# ability to disbar attorneys from practicing law in California would mean
# anything to DHS or ICE concerning immigration law violations.
Well....if they show up in court and are known to be illegal, in a perfect
world, ICE would be notified, they illegal would be arrested and deported.
Having a law license has nothing to do with it.
deadrat
Jun 23, 2012, 12:58:52 PM6/23/12
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do they have to do with each other? Suppose the California Bar disbars
a lawyer. Do you suppose that it's ICE policy to peruse the list of
disbarred lawyers looking for people to deport? Good. Now suppose the
California Bar actively informs ICE that it has disbarred an illegal,
but ICE refuses to detain the ex-lawyer. Do you suppose that the
California Bar can force ICE to change its mind?
Got it?
Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 2:05:24 PM6/23/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:36:22 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
>
>"deadrat" wrote in message
>news:kamdnSjg1vJDonjS...@giganews.com...
>
>On 6/22/12 10:33 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:22:26 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He's know
>>>>>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
>>>>>> that immigration law is enforced?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas it's a state agency,...
>>>>
>>>> The California Bar Association is a "state agency"?
>>>
>>> That it has California in it kind of gives it away.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If anything, its become an agency of the MxGov.
>>>
>>> Please provide your evidence of such.
>>>
I'd like to point out, I'm still waiting for the evidence.
>>>>
>>>>> it does not have the ability to
>>>>> influence federal authorities to act...
>>>>
>>>> It certainly does have the "influence."
>>>>
>>>>> At least not in the way I
>>>>> presume you mean.
>>>>
>>>> How in the world am I expected to know what you presume me to mean?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It appears you think the state bar can somehow get the federal
>>> authorities to act in a specific way.
>>
>> When it can disbar any attorney licensed to practice law in the state,
>> it certainly can.
>
># Oh, I can't wait for this one, Don Gazpacho. Please tell us how the
># ability to disbar attorneys from practicing law in California would mean
># anything to DHS or ICE concerning immigration law violations.
>
>Well....if they show up in court and are known to be illegal, in a perfect
>world, ICE would be notified, they illegal would be arrested and deported.
>Having a law license has nothing to do with it.
>
Presumably there is an option for some sort of court session in
matters of disbarment. Most probably a hearing. If a lawyer is an
illegal alien and facing disbarment, it's possible, maybe probable,
they s/he will show up.
As far as I am aware, there is nothing prohibiting anyone
involved from alerting ICE, but there is nothing requiring it.
And a disbarment hearing/trial/whatever for a lawyer isn't likely
to force/compel/coherence ICE into doing anything.
wrote:
>
>
>"deadrat" wrote in message
>news:kamdnSjg1vJDonjS...@giganews.com...
>
>On 6/22/12 10:33 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:22:26 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He's know
>>>>>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As if the California Bar Association hasn't the influence to see to it
>>>>>> that immigration law is enforced?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas it's a state agency,...
>>>>
>>>> The California Bar Association is a "state agency"?
>>>
>>> That it has California in it kind of gives it away.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If anything, its become an agency of the MxGov.
>>>
>>> Please provide your evidence of such.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it does not have the ability to
>>>>> influence federal authorities to act...
>>>>
>>>> It certainly does have the "influence."
>>>>
>>>>> At least not in the way I
>>>>> presume you mean.
>>>>
>>>> How in the world am I expected to know what you presume me to mean?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It appears you think the state bar can somehow get the federal
>>> authorities to act in a specific way.
>>
>> When it can disbar any attorney licensed to practice law in the state,
>> it certainly can.
>
># Oh, I can't wait for this one, Don Gazpacho. Please tell us how the
># ability to disbar attorneys from practicing law in California would mean
># anything to DHS or ICE concerning immigration law violations.
>
>Well....if they show up in court and are known to be illegal, in a perfect
>world, ICE would be notified, they illegal would be arrested and deported.
>Having a law license has nothing to do with it.
>
matters of disbarment. Most probably a hearing. If a lawyer is an
illegal alien and facing disbarment, it's possible, maybe probable,
they s/he will show up.
As far as I am aware, there is nothing prohibiting anyone
involved from alerting ICE, but there is nothing requiring it.
And a disbarment hearing/trial/whatever for a lawyer isn't likely
to force/compel/coherence ICE into doing anything.
Naughtius
Jun 23, 2012, 3:04:14 PM6/23/12
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On Jun 20, 12:18 pm, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
Resource REallocation Procedures, IN SERVICE TO TRUE "Invasion
Emergencies", is currently Devoting 99 & 44/100ths% of Available
Funding to the Desperately NEEDED Social Utility of Rounding Up and
DEPORTING The Ever-Burgeoning CRIMINALLY STUPID and ENEMY IGNORAMUS
Population...
> He's know
> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
Ohhh... We WILL...
Say... I've Got Some PIZZA HUT COUPONS I'd Quite LIKE To SEND
YOU...
eMail Me YOUR ADDRESS, Please...
Naughtius "Make `Em ONE With The Ocean" Maximus
criminals <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
Well, It Would Be MY Fair Guess that ICE, Executing EMERGENCY
> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
Resource REallocation Procedures, IN SERVICE TO TRUE "Invasion
Emergencies", is currently Devoting 99 & 44/100ths% of Available
Funding to the Desperately NEEDED Social Utility of Rounding Up and
DEPORTING The Ever-Burgeoning CRIMINALLY STUPID and ENEMY IGNORAMUS
Population...
> He's know
> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
Say... I've Got Some PIZZA HUT COUPONS I'd Quite LIKE To SEND
YOU...
eMail Me YOUR ADDRESS, Please...
Naughtius "Make `Em ONE With The Ocean" Maximus
Wayne
Jun 23, 2012, 3:31:52 PM6/23/12
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"Kent Wills" wrote in message
news:n81cu71nr3anm0o8j...@4ax.com...
# matters of disbarment. Most probably a hearing. If a lawyer is an
# illegal alien and facing disbarment, it's possible, maybe probable,
# they s/he will show up.
# As far as I am aware, there is nothing prohibiting anyone
# involved from alerting ICE, but there is nothing requiring it.
# And a disbarment hearing/trial/whatever for a lawyer isn't likely
# to force/compel/coherence ICE into doing anything.
I presume that there are circumstances where a non-citizen would be
practicing law in CA on a temporary basis. But if they are not legally in
the country, they should at least be suspended from the practice of law
until that is straightened out.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here illegally, flaunting it, and
being a general public pain in the ass should have a quick trip to the
border.
But, as others pointed out...getting states or feds to do anything about it
isn't going to happen. Our dear leader has set a precedent that will
continue to go downhill.
deadrat
Jun 23, 2012, 4:40:32 PM6/23/12
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and moral character. Perhaps you think that alienage has to do with any
of these. That wouldn't surprise me.
> As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here illegally, flaunting it, and
> being a general public pain in the ass should have a quick trip to the
> border.
how we like to determine suitability for residence.
>
> But, as others pointed out...getting states or feds to do anything about
> it isn't going to happen. Our dear leader has set a precedent that will
> continue to go downhill.
Obama has deported more illegals in 3 years than the WPE did in 8.
> But, as others pointed out...getting states or feds to do anything about
> it isn't going to happen. Our dear leader has set a precedent that will
> continue to go downhill.
Oh, sorry, didn't mean to let facts intrude on your world view.
Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 5:56:23 PM6/23/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:31:52 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote:
>># Oh, I can't wait for this one, Don Gazpacho. Please tell us how the
>># ability to disbar attorneys from practicing law in California would mean
>># anything to DHS or ICE concerning immigration law violations.
>>
>>Well....if they show up in court and are known to be illegal, in a perfect
>>world, ICE would be notified, they illegal would be arrested and deported.
>>Having a law license has nothing to do with it.
>>
>
># Presumably there is an option for some sort of court session in
># matters of disbarment. Most probably a hearing. If a lawyer is an
># illegal alien and facing disbarment, it's possible, maybe probable,
># they s/he will show up.
># As far as I am aware, there is nothing prohibiting anyone
># involved from alerting ICE, but there is nothing requiring it.
># And a disbarment hearing/trial/whatever for a lawyer isn't likely
># to force/compel/coherence ICE into doing anything.
>
>I presume that there are circumstances where a non-citizen would be
>practicing law in CA on a temporary basis. But if they are not legally in
>the country, they should at least be suspended from the practice of law
>until that is straightened out.
>
The law does not allow for this at this time.
You are free to lobby to get this changed.
>As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here illegally, flaunting it, and
>being a general public pain in the ass should have a quick trip to the
>border.
Few would flaunt being here illegally. There is nothing to
suggest the man in question is being a pain in the ass. In fact, aside
from being here illegally, he doesn't seem to have broken any laws.
>
>But, as others pointed out...getting states or feds to do anything about it
>isn't going to happen. Our dear leader has set a precedent that will
>continue to go downhill.
Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
Also, the Obama administration has deported more illegals than
any previous administration.
wrote:
>># Oh, I can't wait for this one, Don Gazpacho. Please tell us how the
>># ability to disbar attorneys from practicing law in California would mean
>># anything to DHS or ICE concerning immigration law violations.
>>
>>Well....if they show up in court and are known to be illegal, in a perfect
>>world, ICE would be notified, they illegal would be arrested and deported.
>>Having a law license has nothing to do with it.
>>
>
># Presumably there is an option for some sort of court session in
># matters of disbarment. Most probably a hearing. If a lawyer is an
># illegal alien and facing disbarment, it's possible, maybe probable,
># they s/he will show up.
># As far as I am aware, there is nothing prohibiting anyone
># involved from alerting ICE, but there is nothing requiring it.
># And a disbarment hearing/trial/whatever for a lawyer isn't likely
># to force/compel/coherence ICE into doing anything.
>
>I presume that there are circumstances where a non-citizen would be
>practicing law in CA on a temporary basis. But if they are not legally in
>the country, they should at least be suspended from the practice of law
>until that is straightened out.
>
You are free to lobby to get this changed.
>As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here illegally, flaunting it, and
>being a general public pain in the ass should have a quick trip to the
>border.
suggest the man in question is being a pain in the ass. In fact, aside
from being here illegally, he doesn't seem to have broken any laws.
>
>But, as others pointed out...getting states or feds to do anything about it
>isn't going to happen. Our dear leader has set a precedent that will
>continue to go downhill.
amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
Also, the Obama administration has deported more illegals than
any previous administration.
don Gabacho
Jun 23, 2012, 5:57:56 PM6/23/12
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don Gabacho
Jun 23, 2012, 6:01:26 PM6/23/12
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On 6/23/2012 4:54 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:28:02 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2012 8:39 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/22/12 3:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> don Gabacho wrote:
>>>>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>>>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't believe it. They can.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they can.... They can legalize them all. And that's exactly what
>>>> they are doing. ASAMOF they are rushing to do it before the other party
>>>> does it, so they can reap as many of those votes as possible. And,
>>>> neither you nor I can stop it.
>>>
>>> You've been reading too many of Don Gazpacho's posts without wearing
>>> your tinfoil hat.
>>
>> You do know what FARA is? Don't you?
>>
>
> It's an insurance company, though I doubt this is what you mean.
You just can't bring yourself to simply say "no," that you don't know
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:28:02 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2012 8:39 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/22/12 3:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> don Gabacho wrote:
>>>>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>>>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't believe it. They can.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they can.... They can legalize them all. And that's exactly what
>>>> they are doing. ASAMOF they are rushing to do it before the other party
>>>> does it, so they can reap as many of those votes as possible. And,
>>>> neither you nor I can stop it.
>>>
>>> You've been reading too many of Don Gazpacho's posts without wearing
>>> your tinfoil hat.
>>
>> You do know what FARA is? Don't you?
>>
>
> It's an insurance company, though I doubt this is what you mean.
something.
As it is:
Foreign Agents Registration Act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
The Foreign Agents Registration Act is a United States law (22 U.S.C. §
611 et seq.) passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the
interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity"
disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information
about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate
"evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements
and activities of such persons." The law is administered by the FARA
Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National
Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice.[1]
As of 2007 the Justice Department reported there were approximately
1,700 lobbyists representing more than 100 countries before Congress,
the White House and the federal government.
Kent Wills
Jun 23, 2012, 6:05:11 PM6/23/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:57:56 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
You're of the opinion that because I saw Deadrat expose your lie,
I must be a puppet?
BTW, you have yet to offer anything to support your claim that
the people are officials and employees of the Mexican government.
Shall I, and everyone else reading, accept that you lied?
--
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.
I must be a puppet?
BTW, you have yet to offer anything to support your claim that
the people are officials and employees of the Mexican government.
Shall I, and everyone else reading, accept that you lied?
--
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.
don Gabacho
Jun 23, 2012, 6:25:07 PM6/23/12
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On 6/23/2012 4:55 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:10 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>>>> with deadrat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
>>
>> I meant within the thread.
>>
>
> We've exchanged few post in this thread. Most exchanges have
> actually been with you.
So? What did this say: "Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:10 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>>>> with deadrat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
>>
>> I meant within the thread.
>>
>
> We've exchanged few post in this thread. Most exchanges have
> actually been with you.
after exchanging posts with deadrat"?
>>> Neither of us has
>>> had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
>>> And in most matters, we actually disagree.
Kent: A "post" is a message to and showing on a newsgroup of the Usenet
NOT a private exchange of email!
Got it?
>> See above.
>>
>
> And you're still wrong.
>
person with even any exchanged with anyone else? No matter how more or
fewer?
Much less with "email" also?
Kent Wills
Jun 24, 2012, 4:17:26 AM6/24/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:25:07 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>What did this say: "Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180
>after exchanging posts with deadrat"?
And?
>
>>>> Neither of us has
>>>> had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
>>>> And in most matters, we actually disagree.
>
>Prior to this, I was being polite. I will answer this tidbit now:
>
>Kent: A "post" is a message to and showing on a newsgroup of the Usenet
>NOT a private exchange of email!
>
>Got it?
>
I do. You, however, have displayed that you do not.
Recall your crying (metaphorically speaking) when Deadrat replied
to comments you directed at me.
>>> See above.
>>>
>>
>> And you're still wrong.
>>
>
>"Wrong"? How in the world can you conflate "exchanging posts" with one
>person with even any exchanged with anyone else? No matter how more or
>fewer?
>
>Much less with "email" also?
>
You're the one who has proved he does not understand the
difference. I can't be held responsible for your ignorance.
wrote:
>On 6/23/2012 4:55 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:10 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>>>>> with deadrat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
>>>
>>> I meant within the thread.
>>>
>>
>> We've exchanged few post in this thread. Most exchanges have
>> actually been with you.
>
>So?
You're dishonestly presenting different.
>On 6/23/2012 4:55 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:31:10 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/21/2012 10:04 PM, Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:17:36 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180 after exchanging posts
>>>>> with deadrat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In what way do you think we exchange posts?
>>>
>>> I meant within the thread.
>>>
>>
>> We've exchanged few post in this thread. Most exchanges have
>> actually been with you.
>
>So?
>What did this say: "Take it easy. You really need to reorient 180
>after exchanging posts with deadrat"?
>
>>>> Neither of us has
>>>> had contact with the other outside of Usenet.
>>>> And in most matters, we actually disagree.
>
>Prior to this, I was being polite. I will answer this tidbit now:
>
>Kent: A "post" is a message to and showing on a newsgroup of the Usenet
>NOT a private exchange of email!
>
>Got it?
>
Recall your crying (metaphorically speaking) when Deadrat replied
to comments you directed at me.
>>> See above.
>>>
>>
>> And you're still wrong.
>>
>
>"Wrong"? How in the world can you conflate "exchanging posts" with one
>person with even any exchanged with anyone else? No matter how more or
>fewer?
>
>Much less with "email" also?
>
difference. I can't be held responsible for your ignorance.
Kent Wills
Jun 24, 2012, 4:18:32 AM6/24/12
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:01:26 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
I did point out I doubt this is what you meant. Anyone can look above
and see.
Is there a specific reason you're lying?
Here's a tip for you: Do not include the PROOF that you're lying
in your post. Make me spend the few seconds it takes to gather the
evidence that PROVES you a liar.
>As it is:
>
>Foreign Agents Registration Act
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>Jump to: navigation, search
>
>The Foreign Agents Registration Act is a United States law (22 U.S.C. §
>611 et seq.) passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the
>interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity"
>disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information
>about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate
>"evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements
>and activities of such persons." The law is administered by the FARA
>Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National
>Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice.[1]
>As of 2007 the Justice Department reported there were approximately
>1,700 lobbyists representing more than 100 countries before Congress,
>the White House and the federal government.
>
Proving me correct when I stated I doubt you mean the insurance
company.
wrote:
>On 6/23/2012 4:54 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:28:02 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/22/2012 8:39 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/12 3:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>> don Gabacho wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>>>>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't believe it. They can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they can.... They can legalize them all. And that's exactly what
>>>>> they are doing. ASAMOF they are rushing to do it before the other party
>>>>> does it, so they can reap as many of those votes as possible. And,
>>>>> neither you nor I can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> You've been reading too many of Don Gazpacho's posts without wearing
>>>> your tinfoil hat.
>>>
>>> You do know what FARA is? Don't you?
>>>
>>
>> It's an insurance company, though I doubt this is what you mean.
>
>You just can't bring yourself to simply say "no," that you don't know
>something.
>
That I answered, and answered correctly, shows I did and do know.
>On 6/23/2012 4:54 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 00:28:02 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/22/2012 8:39 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/22/12 3:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>> don Gabacho wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>>>>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't believe it. They can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they can.... They can legalize them all. And that's exactly what
>>>>> they are doing. ASAMOF they are rushing to do it before the other party
>>>>> does it, so they can reap as many of those votes as possible. And,
>>>>> neither you nor I can stop it.
>>>>
>>>> You've been reading too many of Don Gazpacho's posts without wearing
>>>> your tinfoil hat.
>>>
>>> You do know what FARA is? Don't you?
>>>
>>
>> It's an insurance company, though I doubt this is what you mean.
>
>You just can't bring yourself to simply say "no," that you don't know
>something.
>
I did point out I doubt this is what you meant. Anyone can look above
and see.
Is there a specific reason you're lying?
Here's a tip for you: Do not include the PROOF that you're lying
in your post. Make me spend the few seconds it takes to gather the
evidence that PROVES you a liar.
>As it is:
>
>Foreign Agents Registration Act
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>Jump to: navigation, search
>
>The Foreign Agents Registration Act is a United States law (22 U.S.C. §
>611 et seq.) passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the
>interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity"
>disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information
>about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate
>"evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements
>and activities of such persons." The law is administered by the FARA
>Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National
>Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice.[1]
>As of 2007 the Justice Department reported there were approximately
>1,700 lobbyists representing more than 100 countries before Congress,
>the White House and the federal government.
>
company.
You're not very good at this, Don.
Bill Graham
Jun 24, 2012, 12:16:10 PM6/24/12
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don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/22/2012 4:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>> don Gabacho wrote:
>>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>>
>>> Don't believe it. They can.
>>
>> Yes they can....
>
> By simply fencing in the MxConsulates and monitoring everyone of every
> race, creed, color, nationality, gender, etc. for being in the country
> legally while announcing the party is over.
>
> 1st time violation: stiff fines for buisnesses employing illegal plus
> community service for offending owners and management; 2nd time
> violation: much worse.
>
> It's that simple, inexpensive and humane.
Humane.... There is an interesting word. Suppose you were born into abject
> On 6/22/2012 4:52 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>> don Gabacho wrote:
>>> On 6/21/2012 6:25 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now, with 15 million undocumented aliens al4ready here, there is
>>>> nothing they can do about it.
>>>
>>> Don't believe it. They can.
>>
>> Yes they can....
>
> By simply fencing in the MxConsulates and monitoring everyone of every
> race, creed, color, nationality, gender, etc. for being in the country
> legally while announcing the party is over.
>
> 1st time violation: stiff fines for buisnesses employing illegal plus
> community service for offending owners and management; 2nd time
> violation: much worse.
>
> It's that simple, inexpensive and humane.
poverty. You watch your children growing up without an education, to end up
in the same abject poverty you have, "enjoyed" all of your life. So, you
sneak into the great affluent country to the North where you can work and
get your kids educated and live some kind of a decent life. Is it humane for
them to refuse you work, when they need what you do, and can afford to pay
you. just because some government leader who is 2000 miles away decides that
you are useless and a dredge on his society? Where you are living, there are
people who want and need your services, and the schools are teaching your
children how to survive in an unjust world. Why were you born in a Mexican
garbage dump? Why was I born in the NYC Dispensary for Women and Children in
lower Manhattan, to two upper middle class people who met in he Pratt Art
Institute? Our God, (or whoever) starves and freezes to death millions of
little furry animals every Winter. I put out a few dollars worth of food for
a few of those millions. I am proud of that. To me, it makes my life a
little bit more worth while.
Bill Graham
Jun 24, 2012, 12:27:11 PM6/24/12
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Another useless Government bureaurocracy.... Ho Hum.... I wonder how many of
my tax dollare they spend every year? However many, I wish I could have
given those dollars to the guy from San Salvadore who kept my wife's car
running for over ten years, while his daughters went to school here. When
they graduated from H.S. and got married, he took his wife back to San
Salvadore.... Too bad. I tried to get one of those hippies who live down
under the freeway overpass to work on her car, but all they wanted to do was
smoke dope and live off my tax dollars that the government hands out to
them.
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 24, 2012, 11:23:05 PM6/24/12
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On Jun 23, 1:31 pm, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
> .
>
> As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here illegally, flaunting it, and
> being a general public pain in the ass should have a quick trip to the
> border.
>
The way we coddle these criminal invaders has made america the
> .
>
> As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here illegally, flaunting it, and
> being a general public pain in the ass should have a quick trip to the
> border.
>
laughingstock of the world.
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 24, 2012, 11:24:13 PM6/24/12
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On Jun 23, 2:40 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
.
>
> Obama has deported more illegals in 3 years than the WPE did in 8.
>
where is your evidence for that?. Obozo said so is NOT evidence.
.
>
> Obama has deported more illegals in 3 years than the WPE did in 8.
>
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 24, 2012, 11:26:09 PM6/24/12
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On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>
Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally. He got congress to change the
>
> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>
law. OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
congress".
deadrat
Jun 25, 2012, 3:36:56 AM6/25/12
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On 6/24/12 10:24 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
ICE gives the number of people it deports. If you think there's a
conspiracy to give the wrong numbers, then no evidence can convince you.
Still sucks to be you, eh?
conspiracy to give the wrong numbers, then no evidence can convince you.
Still sucks to be you, eh?
Kent Wills
Jun 25, 2012, 5:07:36 AM6/25/12
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>
>
>Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
As has Obama.
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>
>
>Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>He got congress to change the
>law.
may see it that way.
>OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>congress".
How do you explain this?
plainolamerican
Jun 25, 2012, 9:45:26 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 21, 12:00 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> On 6/21/12 10:58 AM, plainolamerican wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 8:42 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT), plainolamerican
>
> >> <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jun 20, 2:09 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> >>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
> >>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
> >>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
> >>> ---
> >>> sure they did ... he's an illegal
>
> >> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
> >> anything.
> > anything.
>
> <snip/>
>
> You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
> permission and try it.
You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
permission and try it.
---
don't over-think it ... just replace the scum in the DOJ who won't
uphold our immigration laws
> On 6/21/12 10:58 AM, plainolamerican wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 8:42 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT), plainolamerican
>
> >> <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jun 20, 2:09 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> >>>> GM loves highway criminals <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>
> >>>> Perhaps those who can enforce the law didn't know.
>
> >>>>> Why hasn't this criminal invader been deported long ago??
>
> >>>> Whereas he's not broken any other laws, as far as can be
> >>>> determined, law enforcement had no reason to arrest him. If he had,
> >>>> he could have been detained and handed over to ICE.
>
> >>>>> He's know
> >>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>
> >>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>
> >>>>> He's know
> >>>>> to be here illegally. Why can't we enforce the law?
>
> >>>> Most people lack the authority to enforce immigration law.
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
> >>>> I poked a badger with a spoon.
>
> >>> law enforcement had no reason to arrest him
> >>>> Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
> >>>> I poked a badger with a spoon.
>
> >>> ---
> >>> sure they did ... he's an illegal
>
> >> Except that only those who are authorized to do anything can do
> >> anything.
>
> >> --
> >> "I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
> >> you need to know, gov!"
> >> - Shouting George
>
> > only those who are authorized to do anything can do
> >> --
> >> "I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
> >> you need to know, gov!"
> >> - Shouting George
>
> > anything.
>
> <snip/>
>
> You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
> permission and try it.
You don't have to be authorized to think clearly. So stop waiting for
permission and try it.
---
don't over-think it ... just replace the scum in the DOJ who won't
uphold our immigration laws
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 25, 2012, 12:45:26 PM6/25/12
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Get your butt outta your head.
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 25, 2012, 12:46:58 PM6/25/12
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On Jun 25, 3:07 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>
>
> >OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
> >of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
> >congress".
>
> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
> How do you explain this?
>
It's a lie you moron govt shill. He's not deporting any illegals. Our
> >of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
> >congress".
>
> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
> How do you explain this?
>
racist press refuses to call him on his lies because their policy is
"we will not challenge a black president on anything".
Kent Wills
Jun 25, 2012, 5:15:39 PM6/25/12
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:46:58 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>He's not deporting any illegals.
Not President Obama personally. But ICE, under his
administration, has.
>Our
>racist press refuses to call him on his lies because their policy is
>"we will not challenge a black president on anything".
Please offer your cite for this policy. I think it exists solely
within your mind, but I will examine your cite(s).
>On Jun 25, 3:07 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>
>>
>> >OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>> >of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>> >congress".
>>
>> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
>> How do you explain this?
>>
>
>It's a lie you moron govt shill.
Feel free to prove ICE and DHS have fudged the numbers.
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>
>>
>> >OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>> >of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>> >congress".
>>
>> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
>> How do you explain this?
>>
>
>It's a lie you moron govt shill.
>He's not deporting any illegals.
administration, has.
>Our
>racist press refuses to call him on his lies because their policy is
>"we will not challenge a black president on anything".
within your mind, but I will examine your cite(s).
Bill Graham
Jun 25, 2012, 10:53:15 PM6/25/12
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Kent Wills wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>>
>>
>> Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>
> As has Obama.
>
>> He got congress to change the
>> law.
>
> Not really changed. Though given your limited intelligence you
> may see it that way.
>
>> OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>> of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>> congress".
>
> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
> How do you explain this?
There are a lot more of them that have come here since the Regan years.
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>>
>>
>> Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>
> As has Obama.
>
>> He got congress to change the
>> law.
>
> Not really changed. Though given your limited intelligence you
> may see it that way.
>
>> OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>> of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>> congress".
>
> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
> How do you explain this?
Also, the economic situation here has been very bad since Obama took office,
so a lot of them are going home anyway, and I doubt if the statistic
seperates those from the ones we send home against their will. (How, exactly
do they know how many aliens are here at any given time, anyway? We only
take a census every ten years.) I always distrust statistics if I don't know
exactly how they are gathered. For example, how do they know how many people
die from "second hand smoke" every year? Obviously, this is just a wild
guess, put out by the people who have a big ax to grind. It went from 50,000
to 60,000 during years where a lot of people quit smoking.... How'd that
happen?
deadrat
Jun 26, 2012, 4:05:25 AM6/26/12
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On 6/25/12 9:53 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>>>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>>
>> As has Obama.
>>
>>> He got congress to change the
>>> law.
>>
>> Not really changed. Though given your limited intelligence you
>> may see it that way.
>>
>>> OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>>> of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>>> congress".
>>
>> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
>> How do you explain this?
>
> There are a lot more of them that have come here since the Regan years.
Reagan. The previous President was not Reagan.
> Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>>>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>>
>> As has Obama.
>>
>>> He got congress to change the
>>> law.
>>
>> Not really changed. Though given your limited intelligence you
>> may see it that way.
>>
>>> OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>>> of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>>> congress".
>>
>> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
>> How do you explain this?
>
> There are a lot more of them that have come here since the Regan years.
> Also, the economic situation here has been very bad since Obama took
> office, so a lot of them are going home anyway,
> and I doubt if the
> statistic seperates those from the ones we send home against their will.
> (How, exactly do they know how many aliens are here at any given time,
> anyway?
ones they boot.
> We only take a census every ten years.) I always distrust
> statistics if I don't know exactly how they are gathered. For example,
> how do they know how many people die from "second hand smoke" every
> year? Obviously, this is just a wild guess, put out by the people who
> have a big ax to grind. It went from 50,000 to 60,000 during years where
> a lot of people quit smoking.... How'd that happen?
Kent Wills
Jun 26, 2012, 10:57:18 AM6/26/12
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:53:15 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>>>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>>
>> As has Obama.
>>
>>> He got congress to change the
>>> law.
>>
>> Not really changed. Though given your limited intelligence you
>> may see it that way.
>>
>>> OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>>> of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>>> congress".
>>
>> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
>> How do you explain this?
>
>There are a lot more of them that have come here since the Regan years.
True. This doesn't alter the fact that Obama's admin. has
deported more than any previous admin.
>Also, the economic situation here has been very bad since Obama took office,
Very true.
>so a lot of them are going home anyway,
That's not deportation. We can add those numbers if you want,
though they will likely be estimates.
>and I doubt if the statistic
>seperates those from the ones we send home against their will.
ICE only reports the people deported.
>(How, exactly
>do they know how many aliens are here at any given time, anyway? We only
>take a census every ten years.) I always distrust statistics if I don't know
>exactly how they are gathered.
I don't know, but I doubt ICE is secretive about how they acquire
the numbers they report.
>For example, how do they know how many people
>die from "second hand smoke" every year?
They don't know, but a reasonable guess can be made based on the
number of smoking related death for people who didn't smoke.
>Obviously, this is just a wild
>guess, put out by the people who have a big ax to grind. It went from 50,000
>to 60,000 during years where a lot of people quit smoking.... How'd that
>happen?
Maybe, and this is a guess on my part, some of the former smokers
died and they were erroneously counted as victims of second hand
smoke.
wrote:
>Kent Wills wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obama didn't set it the precedent. Regan offered the idea of
>>>> amnesty long before Obama was in politics.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey stupid. Reagan did it legally.
>>
>> As has Obama.
>>
>>> He got congress to change the
>>> law.
>>
>> Not really changed. Though given your limited intelligence you
>> may see it that way.
>>
>>> OTOH obozo said "i'm just gonna ignore the law and let millions
>>> of criminal invaders live here in brazen defiance of laws passed by
>>> congress".
>>
>> And yet he's deported more illegals than any previous president.
>> How do you explain this?
>
>There are a lot more of them that have come here since the Regan years.
deported more than any previous admin.
>Also, the economic situation here has been very bad since Obama took office,
>so a lot of them are going home anyway,
though they will likely be estimates.
>and I doubt if the statistic
>seperates those from the ones we send home against their will.
>(How, exactly
>do they know how many aliens are here at any given time, anyway? We only
>take a census every ten years.) I always distrust statistics if I don't know
>exactly how they are gathered.
the numbers they report.
>For example, how do they know how many people
>die from "second hand smoke" every year?
number of smoking related death for people who didn't smoke.
>Obviously, this is just a wild
>guess, put out by the people who have a big ax to grind. It went from 50,000
>to 60,000 during years where a lot of people quit smoking.... How'd that
>happen?
died and they were erroneously counted as victims of second hand
smoke.
Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals
Jun 26, 2012, 1:35:33 PM6/26/12
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On Jun 26, 8:57 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> True. This doesn't alter the fact that Obama's admin. has
> deported more than any previous admin.
>
No one believes that but you. I don't think obozo is deporting
>
>
> True. This doesn't alter the fact that Obama's admin. has
> deported more than any previous admin.
>
anyone. He even refused to deport his uncle even though his DUI
conviction proved him a public menace.
Bill Graham
Jun 26, 2012, 2:49:57 PM6/26/12
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my whole point....
Bill Graham
Jun 26, 2012, 3:54:00 PM6/26/12
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ot his desk writing orders for the deportation of this or that group of
people.... I can see it now: "Send all the Sanchez's to Mexico, and all the
Zalinski's to Poland, and bring me my fiddlers three!"
deadrat
Jun 26, 2012, 5:59:16 PM6/26/12
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On 6/26/12 12:35 PM, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
You're talking past the close, Speedy.
criminals wrote:
> On Jun 26, 8:57 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> True. This doesn't alter the fact that Obama's admin. has
>> deported more than any previous admin.
>>
>
>
> No one believes that but you. I don't think <snip/>
> On Jun 26, 8:57 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> True. This doesn't alter the fact that Obama's admin. has
>> deported more than any previous admin.
>>
>
>
You're talking past the close, Speedy.
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