What crimes will Obozo legalize next???

[Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals]

How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
makes a mockery of our legal system.!!

If you are called for jury duty please do the right thing and refuse
to convict the accused. Why should anyone obey any law when our
president tells illegals they don't have to.


__________________
NAACP = Negro Affirmative Action, Caucasian Persecution

[de...@dudu.org]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>

So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 8:08 am, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway

"It’s worth noting that, according to a couple of reporters, Romney
was asked if he would reverse Obama’s order if he was elected — and
didn’t respond. "

http://tinyurl.com/73begz9

On "Face The Nation" Mr. Romney was asked FIVE times whether he would
repeal the DREAM Act-alike policy and he won't answer.

-Ramon

[de...@dudu.org]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:14:26 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>"It’s worth noting that, according to a couple of reporters, Romney
>was asked if he would reverse Obama’s order if he was elected — and
>didn’t respond. "
>
> http://tinyurl.com/73begz9
>
>On "Face The Nation" Mr. Romney was asked FIVE times whether he would
>repeal the DREAM Act-alike policy and he won't answer.
>
>-Ramon

Right now Romney is flipping a coin to decide if he wants the white
racist vote or the Latino vote.

[Sancho Panza]

Maybe his consulting real constitutional experts instead of the flip
floppiing all over the waterfront we have just seen at the White House.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>de...@dudu.org wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Not answering isn't "flipping" except in the Dudu Leftist Dictionary.

But that's the kind of candidate you end up with when you pit
Democrats against Republicans.

[plainolamerican]

---
those who call people racist are usually jews, niggers, spics, or some
other minority.
Which one are you?

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 9:47 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> But that's the kind of candidate you end up with
> when you pit Democrats against Republicans.

Went right over my cabeza.

Elaborate, por favor.

-Ramon

[Fred E Brown]

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in message
news:f4311142-9bf2-4aaa...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

Romney took a page from the Democrats, "we have to elect him to find out".

Romney was just too smart to get caught up in that trap.

[Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals]

On Jun 20, 8:14 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>
> On "Face The Nation" Mr. Romney was asked FIVE times whether he would
> repeal the DREAM Act-alike policy and he won't answer.
>
> -Ramon

Romney should say "i believe in enforcing the law and obama doesn't"

[Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals]

Not much but at least they aren't trying to make it worse.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 9:23 am, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 10:14 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 20, 8:08 am, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway
> > criminals<beta...@earthlink.net>  wrote:
> >> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
> >> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
> >> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>
> >> If you are called for jury duty please do the right thing and refuse
> >> to convict the accused. Why should anyone obey any law when our
> >> president  tells illegals they don't have to.
>
> >> __________________
> >> NAACP = Negro Affirmative Action, Caucasian Persecution
>
> > "It’s worth noting that, according to a couple of reporters, Romney
> > was asked if he would reverse Obama’s order if he was elected — and
> > didn’t respond. "
>
> >    http://tinyurl.com/73begz9
>
> > On "Face The Nation" Mr. Romney was asked FIVE times whether he would
> > repeal the DREAM Act-alike policy and he won't answer.
>

[Sancho El Panzón Medio Bruto:]
> Maybe he is consulting real constitutional experts instead

> of the flip floppiing all over the waterfront we have just
> seen at the White House.

(1) The Bible and the Constitution can be interpreted to support
almost anything we wish:

- jockeys vs. boxers
- "Tastes great" vs. "less filling"
- Little endian vs. big endian
- Dog people vs. cat people.
- Martian Men vs. Venusian Females
- etc.

(2) The move made by the administration can be easily defended,
constitutionally (see above and below) and most important POLITICALLY.
Read the following 90-page article by YALE CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERTS:

http://tinyurl.com/83p68o4

(3) There is a HUGE intestine division in the GOP, the leaders will
not even answer journalists' calls. They have cancelled press
conferences. Obama painted them in a corner; they are nicely boxed.

http://tinyurl.com/7glkmea

(4) The LAST thing on Earth the GOP could do would be trying to sue
the administration over this. Can you imagine the reaction from Dems
and Latinos? "The poor KIDS! All they want is a chance! Those CRUEL
Republicans!" They are praying that the whole thing blows over ASAP
(AND that it is NOT mentioned in the electoral debates!).

In short, the presidential move was a stroke of genius. The Obama
strategists must be Russian Chess Champions.

-Ramon

[Wayne]

wrote in message news:4dj3u7djp395abj39...@4ax.com...

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>

# So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?

Oh yes, blame it on Republicans.

Here's the Democrat approach. Propose a law in the form of a shit pie, then
blame Republicans for not eating it.

[deadrat]

Perhaps you recall the administration of the WPE, January 2001 - January
2009, during most of which his party controlled both houses of Congress.
Not only did he propose nothing new to solve the problem of illegal
immigration, he actually enforced the existing law so laxly that his
successor was able to deport more illegals in three years than he did in
eight.

To be fair, he was busy, losing two wars and trashing the economy.

Here's the Republican approach: trash things and then blame Democrats
for not fixing them immediately.

[don Gabacho]

Insist the law be enforced.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 12:55 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/20/12 11:19 AM, Wayne wrote:
>>
>>
>> wrote in message news:4dj3u7djp395abj39...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>
>> # So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>
>> Oh yes, blame it on Republicans.
>>
>> Here's the Democrat approach. Propose a law in the form of a shit pie,
>> then blame Republicans for not eating it.
>

> Perhaps you recall...,

deadrat, the nothing but shit-pies you concoct and serve up?

[deadrat]

They had eight years under the WPE. Didn't deport as many illegals as
Obama did in three.

[deadrat]

Your lack or substantive response is noted, you malicious ignoramus.

[NotMe]

"Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals"

<bet...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:acdedc8b-26cb-4362...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Wayne]

"deadrat" wrote in message
news:x56dnSNVJ5fujH_S...@giganews.com...

On 6/20/12 12:55 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>
>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>
> Insist the law be enforced.

# They had eight years under the WPE. Didn't deport as many illegals as
# Obama did in three.

So which side of Obama do you support? The deportation of illegals who
might do union jobs, or the ignore the immigration law side of Obama?

[Sancho Panza]

On 6/20/2012 11:15 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> (1) The Bible and the Constitution can be interpreted to support
> almost anything we wish:

That's why your words border on the meaningless. You don't voice support
for values or ideals other than your own backside and obviously resort
to extemporizing on any given topic. The lack of information and
appreciation for history and sacrifices of others is painfully on
display here daily. As is your flight from answering cogent questions
that are put to you. But keep up the name calling. It befits your level
of colloquy.

[Bill Graham]

Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway criminals wrote:
> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>
> If you are called for jury duty please do the right thing and refuse
> to convict the accused. Why should anyone obey any law when our
> president tells illegals they don't have to.

Anyone who thinks that far ahead will never get to serve on a jury anyway.
Between the judge and both lawyers trying to keep anyone with an ounce of
sense off their jury, there is no way anybody who knows anything at all will
ever get to serve on any jury here in the USA. The reason is obvious to me.
The stupider the jury, the more brilliant the judge and lawyers will appear,
so he pressure is there for them to eliminate anyone with any sense or
knowledge from serving on their juries. IOW, the system is pre-ordained o
generate dumber and dumber juries, just as our political system is
pre-ordained to generate dumber and dumber voters. This is the main reason
why this country, and democracies in general, are destined to ultimately
fail. Both juries and politicians should be chosen by random selection from
the general population. Our founding fathers didn't forsee this, and it is
only today, after observing several hundred years of history, that I see it.
Unfortunately, there is no way I can deliver the message to enough people to
make any difference, so I doubt if anything will ever come of it.

[Bill Graham]

Republicans too, profit from an ignorant electorate, so nothing will ever be
done about it. It is a major defect in the democratic process, and it will
eventually spell our demise.

[chicagonut]

On Jun 20, 11:07 am, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> On 6/20/12 12:55 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>

> > On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, d...@dudu.org wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
> >> GM loves highway criminals <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
> >>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
> >>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>
> >> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>
> > Insist the law be enforced.
>
> They had eight years under the WPE.  Didn't deport as many illegals as
> Obama did in three.

Those numbers are scewered. He is counting those turned back at the
border and voluntary deportations. Obama himself admitted that. What
good does it do anyway since he has now instructed HS not to deport
any illegal aliens without a serious crime record and has given a back
door amnesty to 800,000 + 300,000 of them in the past few weeks?

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jun 20, 1:56 pm, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 11:15 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> >   (1) The Bible and the Constitution can be interpreted to support
> > almost anything we wish:
>

> That's why your words border on the meaningless.

No, they do not. They are VERY MEANINGFUL. Allow me to re-phrase:
There are some clear-cut cases, like the elimination of anti-
miscegenation laws which were glaringly unconstitutional ("All Men Are
Created Equal", I am sure there are even better examples) while some
other decisions ("Citizens United") are simply political: take the
individual mandate or the full HCR. They can go either way.

Given the fact that there is no CLEAR, blatant Constitutional
violation, the GOP would be very STUPID trying to find fault, when
they themselves have done that sort of stuff.

In any event, I provided 4 reasons. If you agree with this one, there
are 3 more.

I repeat: It would be STUPID, almost suicidal to launch a lawsuit. The
GOP's intestine wound would be there for the whole country to see.

-Ramon

ps: Make your bets, ladies and gents!! I say this lawsuit will go
nowhere:

http://tinyurl.com/7hmrrtd

What says you??????

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jun 20, 1:56 pm, Sancho Panza <otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:

Now you -and all readers- know why you have NEVER been elected to
anything nor will ever be.

-Ramon

[de...@dudu.org]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:55:19 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:

But yet they don't, because the people employing the illegals are
corporate agriculture and service workers. The corporations don't
want their cheap labor to go away.

[Bill Graham]

de...@dudu.org wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:55:19 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>>> let illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by
>>>> congress makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>
>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>
>> Insist the law be enforced.
>>
>>
> But yet they don't, because the people employing the illegals are
> corporate agriculture and service workers. The corporations don't
> want their cheap labor to go away.

Besides, when Obama legalizes them, most of them will vote for Obama. And,
the Republicans see this, asnd so they are afraid to chastize Obama for
legalizing them, and they too, go along with it and refuse to ridicule it.
IOW, both parties want those 15 million votes and aren't going to do
anything to annoy that pool of potential voters. In the words of Reilly (The
Life of Reilly) "What a revoltin' development this is."

[deadrat]

I generally don't post my political opinions, because, really, who
cares? I do like to post about the law and about the absurd thinking
processes. Take your post, as an example of the latter.

I get it that you don't like Obama. That's fine with me, and why would
you care if it weren't? But you don't dislike him because of his policy
on immigration. It doesn't matter what he does, you've got a criticism
ready. If he cracks down on employers in businesses like meat packing
that hire a large number of illegals, then all he's doing is opening up
spots for union laborers. It doesn't matter to you that at least some
of the meat-packing plants are already unionized, so whoever is working
there legally or illegally, already belongs to the union. If he decides
to prioritize the deportations, then for you he's "ignoring" the law.
It doesn't matter to you that in fact, he's deported more illegals in
three years than the WPE did in eight. It doesn't matter to you that
previous Presidents, Democratic and Republican, have granted deportation
waivers to certain groups of people.

Does it really matter whom I support in November? How about you learn
to think straight or just admit that your choices don't depend on facts
and rational argument?

[deadrat]

On 6/20/12 2:06 PM, chicagonut wrote:
> On Jun 20, 11:07 am, deadrat<a...@b.com> wrote:
>> On 6/20/12 12:55 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>>> GM loves highway criminals<beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>>>>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>>>>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>
>>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>
>>> Insist the law be enforced.
>>
>> They had eight years under the WPE. Didn't deport as many illegals as
>> Obama did in three.
>
> Those numbers are scewered.

"Scewered"! Bwahahahahahaha.

> He is counting those turned back at the
> border and voluntary deportations.

Cite? And even if it's true, that sound I just heard? It's you moving
the goalposts.

> Obama himself admitted that.

Cite?

> What
> good does it do anyway since he has now instructed HS not to deport
> any illegal aliens without a serious crime record

Naturally, that's not true, but I guess that doesn't matter to you.
Well, it's more than a guess.

> and has given a back
> door amnesty to 800,000 + 300,000 of them in the past few weeks?

That's not true either, but suppose it was. I'd guess that over a
million of those folks will make better citizens than you'll ever be.

Now that one is a guess, but a good one.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Jun 20, 9:47 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
> > But that's the kind of candidate you end up with
> > when you pit Democrats against Republicans.
>
>Went right over my cabeza.

No surprises here.

>Elaborate, por favor.

Let's say you have only two groups to choose from.

Stupid.
&
Dumb.

What kind of candidate do you think you're going to end up with?

[de...@dudu.org]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:54:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Enough to make a winger double up on his ulcer medication.

[deadrat]

I doubt it will ever be filed, not least because what Obama has done is
perfectly legal and has precedent in most recent administrations.

King's first problem (besides the fact that he's an idiot) is that he
thinks Obama has issued a racially-based directive. He hasn't, so the
courts won't allow an equal protection argument.

The second problem is standing. Congresscritters have no standing in
court to challenge how a member of the executive exercises discretionary
authority.

The third problem is that courts hate to act as referee between the
other two branches. They'll kick it as a political issue, essentially
saying the Congress has its own method of relief: pass a law making the
order illegal and see if it can pass Constitutional muster in the courts.

The fourth problem is that courts hate to issue orders they can't
enforce because it can lead to the dreaded so-called "Constitutional
crisis."

The fifth problem is that the election is too close. Everyone will just
drag their feet to see how that turns out. If Obama loses, then
presumably Rmoney will reverse the executive order and, voila! soothing
mootness.

I'm sure others can think of more reasons.

[deadrat]

On 6/20/12 2:54 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:55:19 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>>>> let illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by
>>>>> congress makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>>
>>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>>
>>> Insist the law be enforced.
>>>
>>>
>> But yet they don't, because the people employing the illegals are
>> corporate agriculture and service workers. The corporations don't
>> want their cheap labor to go away.
>
> Besides, when Obama legalizes them, most of them will vote for Obama.

Er, ignoramus? By the time any of them attain citizenship, Obama will
be long out of office, even assuming he wins in November.

> And, the Republicans see this, asnd so they are afraid to chastize Obama
> for legalizing them, and they too, go along with it and refuse to
> ridicule it. IOW, both parties want those 15 million votes and aren't
> going to do anything to annoy that pool of potential voters. In the
> words of Reilly (The Life of Reilly) "What a revoltin' development this
> is."

It's just a guess on my part, but the large majority of those who
eventually become naturalized will make better citizens than you'll ever
hope to be.

[deadrat]

Yeah, just look at the Republican nomination race.

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jun 20, 11:19 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Here's the Democrat approach.  Propose a law in the form
> of a shit pie, then blame Republicans for not eating it.

The torte that was being prepared by chef Romney and assistant cook
Rubio (now in the kitchen dumpster) had the EXACT SAME INGREDIENT as
the one cooked by maitre d' Obama.

I guess your merde does not smell?

-Ramon

--------------------------

"Another Republican, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, had been working for
months on a bill that would have potentially given young people who
were brought to this country illegally as children some sort of
special status, as the GOP seeks to improve relations with the
increasingly powerful Latino electorate. With Obama’s move, Rubio has
shelved those efforts.

"House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), acknowledged on Tuesday that
Obama’s new policy has shifted the immigration debate."

http://tinyurl.com/7yjchca

[don Gabacho]

How "substantive" your response!

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jun 20, 1:20 pm, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
> So which side of Obama do you support?  The deportation
> of illegals who might do union jobs, or the ignore the
> immigration law side of Obama?

(a) You are light-years behind. The unions are on board, in favor of a
Path to Legalization for DUES-PAYING NEW MEMBERS who will increase the
union's POLITICAL POWER.

(b) After the undocumented get papers they will LOSE one of their
points of leverage: working for less money and/or benefits. That will
place them AT THE SAME LEVEL as the native-born workers.

(c) The kids affected by this new policy are COLLEGE grads and
MILITARY, not quite union material.

-Ramon

-------------------------

"Last summer AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka addressed this issue. In
a speech he gave in Cleveland, he spoke about the history of immigrant
labor in America and about some of the complaints lodged against the
immigrant forebears of many union members.

"And yet today I hear from working people who should know better,
some in my own family – that those immigrants are taking our jobs,
ruining our country. Haven’t we been here before?

"When I hear that kind of talk, I want to say, did an immigrant
move your plant overseas? Did an immigrant take away your pension? Or
cut your health care? Did an immigrant destroy American workers’ right
to organize? Or crash the financial system? Did immigrant workers
write the trade laws that have done so much harm to Ohio?"

-------------------------

"Labor and the Immigrant Rights Movement
By RUTH MILKMAN

"Today the U.S. labor movement is a leading defender of immigrant
rights. It was not always so. Historically, immigration [...]

http://tinyurl.com/6w7tjuj

-------------------------

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jun 20, 11:19 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Here's the Democrat approach. Propose a law in the form
> of a shit pie, then blame Republicans for not eating it.

The torte that was being prepared by short-cook Rubio (pun intended)
under the directions of chef Romney is now in the kitchen dumpster.
HOWEVER, such flavorful dish -an epicurean delight- had the EXACT SAME
INGREDIENTS as the one actually cooked and served by maitre d' Obama.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 2:20 PM, Wayne wrote:

> So which side of Obama do you support? The deportation of illegals who
> might do union jobs, or the ignore the immigration law side of Obama?

Deadrat, who I am convinced is Edweenie, supports anything that the
MxGov tells El Meglo to support. Not that they need much telling.

[don Gabacho]

"What crimes will Obozo legalize next???"

Good question. Another good question would be just what he will
illegalize next.

Certainly dissing the 'esteemed' MxGov and its equally 'esteemed, but
oppressed, personnel.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 4:21 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/20/12 1:20 PM, Wayne wrote:
>>
>>
>> "deadrat" wrote in message
>> news:x56dnSNVJ5fujH_S...@giganews.com...
>>
>> On 6/20/12 12:55 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>>>>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>>>>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>>
>>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>>
>>> Insist the law be enforced.
>>
>> # They had eight years under the WPE. Didn't deport as many illegals as
>> # Obama did in three.
>>
>> So which side of Obama do you support? The deportation of illegals who
>> might do union jobs, or the ignore the immigration law side of Obama?
>

> I generally don't post my political opinions...

liar.

You express your "political opinions" all the time.

And, like a sapper, attempt to undermine U.S. law to displace it with
politicized---MxGov-style---codified rule: a "political opinion" in itself.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 5:08 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> I guess your merde does not smell?

Given the only expertise you have ever demonstrated since your
appearance in alt.politics.immigration---being the supreme brown-noser
you are---why don't you just tell us?

[don Gabacho]

Correct. As I said, in public, they "insist" which certainly doesn't
"fix" what's broken: a Federal Government, at minimum, derelict in its
duties.

As it is, in"private," they sit with interests other than US Corporations.

The MxGov plays both sides of the fence.

[don Gabacho]

They aren't after the "Hispanic votes." They are after the phantom votes
that can be generated from the still untold numbers of U.S. Voter
Registration Forms possessed and under control of the MxGov.

[Ramon F Herrera]

The man won't even promise to repeal the new policy...

What kind of pusillanimous leader is that!!!???

-Ramon

-----------------------------------

"Romney campaign fends off immigration questions

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Mitt Romney's presidential campaign fended off
questions on immigration policy on Wednesday as the Republican
challenger scrambled for a response five days after President Barack
Obama's relaxation of immigration policy drew accolades from Hispanic
voters.

"Questions on the Republican challenger's position on immigration
dominated a campaign conference call Wednesday that was supposed to be
about the economy. The call was cut off early after what a Romney
staffer said were "off-topic" questions.

"After taking a hard line during the Republican presidential primary
season against illegal immigration, Romney has struggled to [...]

http://tinyurl.com/7uyssc4

[Oglethorpe]

"Ramon F Herrera" <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in message
news:809f2974-47c6-452d...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

>
> The man won't even promise to repeal the new policy...
>
> What kind of pusillanimous leader is that!!!???
>
> -Ramon
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> "Romney campaign fends off immigration questions
>

Smart on his part. Legal immigrants who did everything right to get here
detest illegal immigrants.

[deadrat]

Here's how it works, ignoramus: you make a claim, you back it up.
Paranoid ravings aren't evidence. Neither are images of cartoons.

[deadrat]

On 6/20/12 4:40 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 2:20 PM, Wayne wrote:
>
>> So which side of Obama do you support? The deportation of illegals who
>> might do union jobs, or the ignore the immigration law side of Obama?
>
> Deadrat, who I am convinced is Edweenie,

Adjust your tinfoil hat, Don Gazpacho.

<snipped: nothing of importance or coherence/>

[deadrat]

On 6/20/12 4:56 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 4:21 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/20/12 1:20 PM, Wayne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "deadrat" wrote in message
>>> news:x56dnSNVJ5fujH_S...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> On 6/20/12 12:55 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>>>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>>>>>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>>>
>>>> Insist the law be enforced.
>>>
>>> # They had eight years under the WPE. Didn't deport as many illegals as
>>> # Obama did in three.
>>>
>>> So which side of Obama do you support? The deportation of illegals who
>>> might do union jobs, or the ignore the immigration law side of Obama?
>>
>> I generally don't post my political opinions...
>
> liar.
>
> You express your "political opinions" all the time.

More scare quotes. So I'm not really expressing my political opinions.

> And, like a sapper, attempt to undermine U.S. law to displace it with
> politicized---MxGov-style---codified rule: a "political opinion" in itself.

No, it's nothing to do with the Mexican government, just an attempt to
turn you into an object of ridicule so no one takes you seriously.

I'm doin' pretty well, if I say so myself. Of course, I have help.

You.

[Not Sure]

Still hysterically trying to shift the attention off your Messiah's
historic troubles this morning? Golly, it's almost like you're too
afraid to address it or something. :)

[deadrat]

Cite to evidence, please?

[Not Sure]

ROFL, having to resort to responding to yourself, I see. Continue
panicking, Ramon ;)

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 7:41 pm, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
> "Ramon F Herrera" <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote in messagenews:809f2974-47c6-452d...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

>
>
>
> > The man won't even promise to repeal the new policy...
>
> > What kind of pusillanimous leader is that!!!???
>
> > -Ramon
>
> > -----------------------------------
>

>> "Romney campaign fends off immigration questions
>

[Oglethorpe the one who is becoming more racist with each post:]

> Smart on his part. Legal immigrants who did everything
> right to get here detest illegal immigrants.

They do?? The detest their own parents, siblings, boy- and
girlfriends, employers/employees, neighbors, partners, students,
teachers, churchgoers, little-league, Boy Scouts?

Also, how exactly do they know who has papers and who does not?

Mind reading? X-rays, perhaps? It is well known that we Latinos have
formidable prowess, but such superpowers are beyond ridiculous, you
are asking for too much, señor!!

Are you claiming that in the parties given by Latinos we have a sign
like this:

http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/Latinos-4-Romney.jpg

How come you are the only person in America aware that legal folks
"detest" the indocumentados and how come the number of web sites of
those detesting folks is ZERO?

-Ramon

ps: You are the best possible instance of the nationwide-famous
Herrera Dictum:

Hatred Fries Brains

[Sancho Panza]

On 6/20/2012 3:30 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 20, 1:56 pm, Sancho Panza<otterpo...@xhotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6/20/2012 11:15 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>>> (1) The Bible and the Constitution can be interpreted to support
>>> almost anything we wish:
>>

>> That's why your words border on the meaningless. You don't voice support
>> for values or ideals other than your own backside and obviously resort
>> to extemporizing on any given topic. The lack of information and
>> appreciation for history and sacrifices of others is painfully on
>> display here daily. As is your flight from answering cogent questions
>> that are put to you. But keep up the name calling. It befits your level
>> of colloquy.
>
> Now you -and all readers- know why you have NEVER been elected to
> anything nor will ever be.

If you think that is some sort of highly desirable achievement, that is
yet another example of how askew some people's view are.

[Sancho Panza]

If it's substantive, we can count reliably count on his deflection,
distraction and deception.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 7:41 pm, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com> wrote:

>> "Romney campaign fends off immigration questions
>
> Smart on his part. Legal immigrants who did everything right
> to get here detest illegal immigrants.

You have to elaborate. I am sure I am not the only one in the
readership who is confused.

There are TWO groups of people who can vote and are relevant to the
discussion:

(1) The racis..., err, sorry, I mean Far Conservative patriots who
have no love for the members of the undocumented workforce. They
constitute Romney's loyal base: You fit here like a a glove.

(2) The LEGAL immigrants from whatever country of origin (the ones
who did everything right to get here). The ones that "detest" (your
term) the border jumpers and visa overstayers.

Why doesn't president-to-be Romney simply say (as he did with
ObamaCare):

"My first -actually, second- presidential order will be to annul the
unconstitutional (pandering, illegal, unfair, treasonous, unpatriotic,
whatever) policy announced!!" As a result he would have BOTH groups
above on their feet enthusiastically shouting "Bravo!!" (Oops! Are you
baggers allowed to use that term? Not even in concerts? It is actually
Italian.).

What is Governor Romney afraid of? Scaring away votes of people WHO
CANNOT vote?

See if you can explain that.

-Ramon

ps: Hatred Fries Neurons.

[Bill Graham]

Oglethorpe wrote:
> "Ramon F Herrera" <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in message
> news:809f2974-47c6-452d...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> The man won't even promise to repeal the new policy...
>>
>> What kind of pusillanimous leader is that!!!???
>>
>> -Ramon

One who, like all politicians, is deathly afraid of losing a group of
votes......

[Oglethorpe]

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in message
news:7fad1948-4fce-433f...@p13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

On Jun 20, 7:41 pm, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com> wrote:

>> "Romney campaign fends off immigration questions
>
> Smart on his part. Legal immigrants who did everything right
> to get here detest illegal immigrants.

You have to elaborate. I am sure I am not the only one in the
readership who is confused.

====

NOPE. Truth doesn't need elaboration.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 10:36 pm, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
> "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in messagenews:7fad1948-4fce-433f...@p13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 20, 7:41 pm, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
>
>  >> "Romney campaign fends off immigration questions
>  >
>  > Smart on his part. Legal immigrants who did everything right
>  > to get here detest illegal immigrants.
>
> You have to elaborate. I am sure I am not the only one in the
> readership who is confused.
>

> ====
>
> NOPE. Truth doesn't need elaboration.

Try to do that in graduate school, or in any non-Mickey Mouse
institute of higher learning!

In other words: You are not only ignorant, PLUS proud of it, but don't
have the wherewithal to stand for your convictions.

Again:

(1) What prevents Romney from supporting your side????

(2) Where is the evidence that documentados detest indocumentados???

-Ramon

[Gray Guest]

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in news:f4311142-9bf2-4aaa-
971a-197...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 20, 8:08 am, Car Crashes Mean Car Sales - GM loves highway

> criminals <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to let
>> illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by congress
>> makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>

>> If you are called for jury duty please do the right thing and refuse
>> to convict the accused. Why should anyone obey any law when our
>> president  tells illegals they don't have to.
>>
>> __________________
>> NAACP = Negro Affirmative Action, Caucasian Persecution
>
>
> "It’s worth noting that, according to a couple of reporters, Romney
> was asked if he would reverse Obama’s order if he was elected — and
> didn’t respond. "
>
> http://tinyurl.com/73begz9
>
> On "Face The Nation" Mr. Romney was asked FIVE times whether he would
> repeal the DREAM Act-alike policy and he won't answer.
>
> -Ramon
>

We'll deal with our problem. How about you stop afflicting us with yours.

--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.

What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.

http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 8:35 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:

> One who, like all politicians, is deathly afraid of losing a group
of
> votes......

ALL!? What do you mean by all?

I hope you are not including President Obama in that sweeping
generalization. Do you have an idea how many votes he lost:

- Suing Arizona
- Supporting the (existence of!) Ground Zero Mosque
- Eliminating DADT
- Supporting Equal Marriage
- Making this recent decision (its substance)
- Making this recent decision (the unorthodox way it was done)

I am sure his detractors in the readership can add lots more
instances.

-Ramon

[don Gabacho]

"Cartoons"!?!

http://goo.gl/QjAOB http://goo.gl/1Wn0G

Tell Edweenie, just where in your "fevered imagination" do you see the
Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials own photographs
promoting "Si, Se, Puede" "Moving America Forward" "Latino Voter
Registrations Drives" featuring officials and employees of the MxGov as
"cartoons"?

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 7:04 PM, deadrat wrote:

> More scare quotes...

"More scare quotes"?

And you accuse others of being "paranoid"!

Edweenie, get a hold of yourself.

Obama isn't going to sink your shipload of "black helicopters."

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 8:00 PM, Not Sure wrote:

> ROFL, having to resort to responding to yourself, I see. Continue
> panicking, Ramon ;)

Deadrat is Edweenie (aka David Eduardo Gleason), though it amounts to
the same thing.

Both and others belong to a troupe of role-players/imposters who operate
with an accumulated stockpile of posts(inc: responses) with considerable
help from the MxGov's propaganda machine particularly with new (but long
in the works) broadsides as just occurred regarding the reporter Munro
and relayed by "Mr Sandman."

Within the Usenet their principle, but not only, objectives are to
divert, co-opt or smother issues that are not sanctioned by the MxGov.
Identify posters repugnant to MxCty to divert, co-opt or smother also.

Likewise identify and disappear evidences demanded as "cites" from both
the i-net and book inventories in Latin America and the USA, authors of
texts repugnant to MxCty, and its agenda for the USA, and even persons
identified, directly or indirectly, as potential character references or
witnesses to events again repugnant to MxCty and its agenda for the USA.

Together, they also engage themselves in activites off the i-net.

Now, if they are not careful, watch them yell out "racist,"
"xenophobioa," "paranoia," "ignoramus," etc. Lashing-denials that should
be took as confirmation.

[don Gabacho]

He's projecting. Only to confirm his quest for reward, not truth.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 6:29 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
> The man won't even promise to repeal the new policy...
>

> What kind of...


...tactic is that to---yet again---change a subject line?

Except the tactic of a the most desperate and "pusillanimous" censor?

[don Gabacho]

"Ramon in total panic mode ;)"

It's a reflection of just how hysterical the panic is getting
in MxCty.

[don Gabacho]

Why? You gonna sic "black helicopters" after them?

Or just "SCARE QUOTES"?

[don Gabacho]

On 6/20/2012 8:04 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:

> They do?? The detest their own parents, siblings, boy- and
> girlfriends, employers/employees, neighbors, partners, students,
> teachers, churchgoers, little-league, Boy Scouts?

Wow! The chonic ninkumpoop was the 1st to post to the list that Asians
(supposedly) now comprise the greatest number of immigrants and the
chronic ninkumpoop somehow decides all immigrants must be Latinos.

[don Gabacho]

> Just what "Higher Institute of Learning" graduated you?

What "Higher Institute of Leaning" would have even had you?

You expect Asians, for only one example, must know how to read Spanish?

What "Mickey Mouse" agency of a Latino government forged a "documento"
to show you graduated anything?

[deadrat]

Who's Edweenie?

> just where in your "fevered imagination" do you see the
> Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials own photographs
> promoting "Si, Se, Puede" "Moving America Forward" "Latino Voter
> Registrations Drives" featuring officials and employees of the MxGov as
> "cartoons"?

I followed your links, Don Gazpacho. Some were to cartoon drawings.

One link was to photographs, one of which was people in front of a
poster with the GALEO logo; other photos show people at a voter
registration table. How do we know any of the people were Mexicans?

From your fever dreams?

[deadrat]

On 6/20/12 9:40 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 7:04 PM, deadrat wrote:
>
>> More scare quotes...
>
> "More scare quotes"?
>
> And you accuse others of being "paranoid"!

"Scare quotes" is a term of typesetting art. It doesn't mean anyone is
scared, you impossible ignoramus.

>
> Edweenie, get a hold of yourself.

Who's Edweenie?

> Obama isn't going to sink your shipload of "black helicopters."

Are you seeing real black helicopters, Don Gazpacho, or just "black
helicopters"? Do you get better reception when you wear your tinfoil hat?

[deadrat]

On 6/20/12 10:11 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 8:00 PM, Not Sure wrote:
>
>> ROFL, having to resort to responding to yourself, I see. Continue
>> panicking, Ramon ;)
>
> Deadrat is Edweenie (aka David Eduardo Gleason), though it amounts to
> the same thing.

OK, at least I have a real name. I have no idea who DEG is.

>
> Both and others belong to a troupe of role-players/imposters who operate
> with an accumulated stockpile of posts(inc: responses) with considerable
> help from the MxGov's propaganda machine particularly with new (but long
> in the works) broadsides as just occurred regarding the reporter Munro
> and relayed by "Mr Sandman."

Wow! Paranoid much, Don Gazpacho?

>
> Within the Usenet their principle, but not only, objectives are to
> divert, co-opt or smother issues that are not sanctioned by the MxGov.
> Identify posters repugnant to MxCty to divert, co-opt or smother also.

I've told you before, you malicious xenophobe, my objective is make you
an object of ridicule.

<snipped: incoherent rant/>

> Together, they also engage themselves in activites off the i-net.

How would you know what I do "off the i-net," Don Gazpacho?

> Now, if they are not careful, watch them yell out "racist,"
> "xenophobioa," "paranoia," "ignoramus," etc. Lashing-denials that should
> be took as confirmation.

I have no idea whether you're a racist.

You can't even spell "xenophobia."

Every post you put up demonstrates your ignorance.

Lend me your tinfoil hat, Don Gazpacho. I'm beginning to think that
you're really an agent of MxGov, making accusations so outlandish that
nobody will suspect their real agenda, to establish Mexican consulates
in ever Taco Bell in the country.

[deadrat]

Why? Because I like evidence to support claims. Black helicopters or
even "black helicopters" are your thing. I've never mentioned them.

> Or just "SCARE QUOTES"?

Look it up, ignoramus. There's no reason to be proud of your ignorance.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:

> One link was to photographs, one of which was people in
> front of a poster with the GALEO logo; other photos show

> people at a vote registration table.  How do we know any

> of the people were Mexicans?

They are most likely, probabilistically speaking. It is all in the up
and up.

It is hard work to bring Latinos to the voting booth: They are young,
busy with work, not completely settled, mistrust authority (come from
authoritarian countries, where their voice is not heard, unlike in
America), etc. Experts predicted that Hispanics would turn the tables
against the GOP in 2020. The remarkable, almost incredible development
is that the big Latino switchover may start arriving this year:

http://tinyurl.com/7whsykj

But I digress...

There are voting registration drives, in which some consular officers
may take part, even a leading role (*). Only in America! I intervened
in US politics when I arrived to Boston (we had the first Latino ever
elected to the Massachusetts legislature). Had a student visa at the
time. They were more than happy to take our check.

-Ramon

(*) Don Gabozo sees sinister stuff all over, suffers from delusional
paranoia (I kid you not). He and Judy (the GM crashing OP) are THE
most serious pathological cases in Usenet.

[don Gabacho]

The links yet again posed to you point to "cartoons"?

> One link was to photographs, one of which was people in front of a
> poster with the GALEO logo; other photos show people at a voter
> registration table. How do we know any of the people were Mexicans?

By comparing those doing the registering, for example Charlotte Carral,
with other photos published of Charlotte Carral, MxDocs of her positions
over the years with the MxGov's agency "Instituto de Mexico, " plus
(even simultaneously) others and even meetings of her with the Consul
General of Mexico identifying who she is.

I also happen to know her, principally from her multiple offices of the
MxGov's FONATUR, FIDECOMISO, Cancun Convention Bureau, etc. in Cancun, Mx.

I'll post them here tomorrow.

Moreover she is not alone.

I will also post here tomorrow photos of employees of the MxGov's
Secretary of Education similarly engaged.

Meanwhile, I can assure you that Holder's USDOJ have had the proofs for
well over a year.

Since then, legal departments, including State, in various parts of the
country.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/21/2012 2:17 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
> > One link was to photographs, one of which was people in
> > front of a poster with the GALEO logo; other photos show
> > people at a vote registration table. How do we know any
> > of the people were Mexicans?
>
> They are most likely, probabilistically speaking.

Liar. There is no "most likely" about it. You've already admitted that
they are officials and employees of the MxGov.

You just didn't know, one: that they would be discovered and two: it is
unConstitutional.

> It is all in the up
> and up.

How?

> It is hard work to bring Latinos to the voting booth: They are young,
> busy with work, not completely settled, mistrust authority (come from
> authoritarian countries, where their voice is not heard, unlike in
> America), etc. Experts predicted that Hispanics would turn the tables
> against the GOP in 2020. The remarkable, almost incredible development
> is that the big Latino switchover may start arriving this year:

Whatever "work" it is, it is not the "work" of any foreign power which
includes the MxGov.

> http://tinyurl.com/7whsykj

Why do suppose the MxGov and GALEO opted to have them operate
"incognito." Unidentified on GALEO's webpages?

They identified others.

> But I digress...

From the bottomless pit in which you dwell? How?

> There are voting registration drives, in which some consular officers
> may take part, even a leading role (*).

Really? Where, When, How, By and With Whom?

> Only in America! I intervened
> in US politics when I arrived to Boston (we had the first Latino ever
> elected to the Massachusetts legislature). Had a student visa at the
> time. They were more than happy to take our check.
>
> -Ramon
>
> (*) Don Gabozo sees sinister stuff all over, suffers from delusional
> paranoia (I kid you not). He and Judy (the GM crashing OP) are THE
> most serious pathological cases in Usenet.

Answer the questions.


You have admitted knowing of other "consulates" of a foreign power(s)
taking even "a leading role"?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On 6/20/12 3:35 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> "Ramon F. Herrera"<ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 9:47 am, Klaus Schadenfreude<klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But that's the kind of candidate you end up with
>>>> when you pit Democrats against Republicans.
>>>
>>> Went right over my cabeza.
>>
>> No surprises here.
>>
>>> Elaborate, por favor.
>>
>> Let's say you have only two groups to choose from.
>>
>> Stupid.
>> &
>> Dumb.
>>
>> What kind of candidate do you think you're going to end up with?
>
>Yeah, just look at the Republican nomination race.
>

And look at the morons the Democrats gave America to choose from.

I'm STILL laughing over Gore and Kerry.

[Kent Wills]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:11:27 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>> let illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by
>>> congress makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>

>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>

>Republicans too, profit from an ignorant electorate, so nothing will ever be
>done about it. It is a major defect in the democratic process, and it will
>eventually spell our demise.

While I hope time will prove you wrong, I fear it will prove you
right.

--
"I'm a ten gov a day guy. It's all I know, and it's all
you need to know, gov!"
- Shouting George

[Kent Wills]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:00:44 -0700 (PDT), Not Sure
<fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 1:54 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> On 6/20/12 2:27 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 20, 1:56 pm, Sancho Panza<otterpo...@xhotmail.com>  wrote:
>> >> On 6/20/2012 11:15 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>> >>>    (1) The Bible and the Constitution can be interpreted to support
>> >>> almost anything we wish:
>>
>> >   >  That's why your words border on the meaningless.
>>
>> > No, they do not. They are VERY MEANINGFUL. Allow me to re-phrase:
>> > There are some clear-cut cases, like the elimination of anti-
>> > miscegenation laws which were glaringly unconstitutional ("All Men Are
>> > Created Equal", I am sure there are even better examples) while some
>> > other decisions ("Citizens United") are simply political: take the
>> > individual mandate or the full HCR. They can go either way.
>>
>> > Given the fact that there is no CLEAR, blatant Constitutional
>> > violation, the GOP would be very STUPID trying to find fault, when
>> > they themselves have done that sort of stuff.
>>
>> > In any event, I provided 4 reasons. If you agree with this one, there
>> > are 3 more.
>>
>> > I repeat: It would be STUPID, almost suicidal to launch a lawsuit. The
>> > GOP's intestine wound would be there for the whole country to see.
>>
>> > -Ramon
>>
>> > ps: Make your bets, ladies and gents!! I say this lawsuit will go
>> > nowhere:
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/7hmrrtd
>>
>> > What says you??????
>>
>> I doubt it will ever be filed, not least because what Obama has done is
>> perfectly legal and has precedent in most recent administrations.

>
>ROFL, having to resort to responding to yourself, I see. Continue
>panicking, Ramon ;)

Are you new to this matter? Ramon and Deadrat are two different
people.

--
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.

[Kent Wills]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:54:17 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:55:19 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
>> wrote:

>>
>>> On 6/20/2012 9:19 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>>>> let illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by
>>>>> congress makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>>
>>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>>

>>> Insist the law be enforced.
>>>
>>>
>> But yet they don't, because the people employing the illegals are
>> corporate agriculture and service workers. The corporations don't
>> want their cheap labor to go away.
>
>Besides, when Obama legalizes them, most of them will vote for Obama. And,

The problem with that claim is that if they are illegal now, they
won't be citizens until after Obama has left office.
Both sides may be worried about current Latino voters.

>the Republicans see this, asnd so they are afraid to chastize Obama for
>legalizing them, and they too, go along with it and refuse to ridicule it.
>IOW, both parties want those 15 million votes and aren't going to do
>anything to annoy that pool of potential voters. In the words of Reilly (The
>Life of Reilly) "What a revoltin' development this is."

That's going back quite a few years :)

--
'Life is pain. Anybody that says different is selling something.'
-- Fezzik's mother

[Kent Wills]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:39:23 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:

>"Another Republican, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, had been working for
>months on a bill that would have potentially given young people who
>were brought to this country illegally as children some sort of
>special status, as the GOP seeks to improve relations with the
>increasingly powerful Latino electorate. With Obama’s move, Rubio has
>shelved those efforts.
>
>"House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), acknowledged on Tuesday that
>Obama’s new policy has shifted the immigration debate."
>
>http://tinyurl.com/7yjchca

This brings up an interesting point.
The more analytical part of me says, "They're illegal and should
be deported."
The more rational part of me says, "They didn't have a choice and
the U.S. might be all they know."

--
Bless me, Father, for I have committed an original sin.
I poked a badger with a spoon.

[Gray Guest]

Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in news:809f2974-47c6-452d-
979b-d62...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

>
> The man won't even promise to repeal the new policy...
>
> What kind of pusillanimous leader is that!!!???
>
> -Ramon
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> "Romney campaign fends off immigration questions
>

> "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Mitt Romney's presidential campaign fended off
> questions on immigration policy on Wednesday as the Republican
> challenger scrambled for a response five days after President Barack
> Obama's relaxation of immigration policy drew accolades from Hispanic
> voters.
>
> "Questions on the Republican challenger's position on immigration
> dominated a campaign conference call Wednesday that was supposed to be
> about the economy. The call was cut off early after what a Romney
> staffer said were "off-topic" questions.
>
> "After taking a hard line during the Republican presidential primary
> season against illegal immigration, Romney has struggled to [...]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7uyssc4
>

When your opposition is busily shooting itself in the foot with an assault
rifle best thing to do is stand way back and let them do it. Wouldn't want
to get any blood spatter on those nice suits of his.

[deadrat]

I'd rather have laughed at Gore than cried over Bush.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/21/2012 12:55 AM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/20/12 9:40 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>> On 6/20/2012 7:04 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>
>>> More scare quotes...
>>
>> "More scare quotes"?
>>
>> And you accuse others of being "paranoid"!
>
> "Scare quotes" is a term of typesetting art.

Now that I've checked out the term, previously unknown to me, at
Wikipedia, the first thing I noticed is it certainly did not originate
as any "typesetting art."

> It doesn't mean anyone is
> scared, you impossible ignoramus.

Aside from your being an "impossible ignoramus" to have made the
presumption you did, that I was knowingly using "scare quotes," the
following excerpt from Wikipedia's description of the term nonetheless
happens, in my case, to apply:

"Writers use scare quotes for a variety of reasons. When the enclosed
text is a quotation from another source, scare quotes may indicate that
the writer does not accept the usage of the phrase (or the phrase
itself),[3] that the writer feels its use is potentially ironic, or that
the writer feels it is a misnomer. This meaning may serve to distance
the writer from the quoted content."

'The term scare quotes may be confusing because the word scare implies
provocation, yet the term covers emotionally neutral usage as well. In
many cases an author uses scare quotes not to convey alarm, but to
signal a semantic quibble.'

Now why your obsession against obviously misnomered "scare quotes"?

Similarly your obsession against "emoticons"?

In both cases, obviously innocent vehicles to harness your truly
despicable bile to degrade any discourse and most anyone with whom you
inflict yourself with any discourse.

There can be no justification, no rationalization for whatever motivates
your resulting obnoxiousness.

What ever happened to you to become what your are?

Do you even have a self to get under control?

[don Gabacho]

On 6/21/2012 9:43 AM, Kent Wills wrote:

> That's going back quite a few years:)

:-) Yes. He was especially wonderful in Lifeboat, The Ransom of Red
Chief and, of course, The Time of Your Life w/James Cagney and James
Barton as 'Kit Carson.'

If there ever was a 'Gus' it was Bendix.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/21/2012 9:42 AM, Kent Wills wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:11:27 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car Sales -
>>> GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>>> let illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by
>>>> congress makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>
>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>
>> Republicans too, profit from an ignorant electorate, so nothing will ever be
>> done about it. It is a major defect in the democratic process, and it will
>> eventually spell our demise.
>
> While I hope time will prove you wrong, I fear it will prove you
> right.
>

Worse yet, under a government of any party where its becomes a matter of
course to constantly fear for your own and family's personal
security.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

If Gore or Kerry were running today, I'd STILL vote for Bush.

[deadrat]

On 6/21/12 2:57 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/21/2012 12:55 AM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/20/12 9:40 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2012 7:04 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>
>>>> More scare quotes...
>>>
>>> "More scare quotes"?
>>>
>>> And you accuse others of being "paranoid"!
>>
>> "Scare quotes" is a term of typesetting art.
>
> Now that I've checked out the term, previously unknown to me, at
> Wikipedia, the first thing I noticed is it certainly did not originate
> as any "typesetting art."
>
>> It doesn't mean anyone is
>> scared, you impossible ignoramus.
>
> Aside from your being an "impossible ignoramus" to have made the
> presumption you did, that I was knowingly using "scare quotes,"

I never presume that you write anything "knowingly." You're too ignorant.

<snipped: Don Gazpacho finally figures out what scare quotes are/>

>
> Similarly your obsession against "emoticons"?

Obsession? I just make fun of semi-literates like you who use them as a
crutch.

>
> In both cases, obviously innocent vehicles to harness your truly
> despicable bile to degrade any discourse and most anyone with whom you
> inflict yourself with any discourse.

Not anyone. You.

>
> There can be no justification, no rationalization for whatever motivates
> your resulting obnoxiousness.

Whatever I can do to make you an object of ridicule is justification enough.

> What ever happened to you to become what your are?

It's a gift.

> Do you even have a self to get under control?

Get the malicious xenophobia out of your eye before you instruct me on
some mote in mine.

[deadrat]

Not a one-trial learner, eh?

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 20, 8:35 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > One who, like all politicians, is deathly afraid of losing a group
> of
> > votes......
>
> ALL!? What do you mean by all?
>
> I hope you are not including President Obama in that sweeping
> generalization. Do you have an idea how many votes he lost:
>
> - Suing Arizona
> - Supporting the (existence of!) Ground Zero Mosque
> - Eliminating DADT
> - Supporting Equal Marriage
> - Making this recent decision (its substance)
> - Making this recent decision (the unorthodox way it was done)
>
> I am sure his detractors in the readership can add lots more
> instances.
>
> -Ramon

Well, I hope to God that he's lost enough to get replaced next November. I
am thougherly sick of his (and the rest of the Democrats) Socialism, and the
wild spending it engenders. as well as the disreswpect for our constitution
they exhibit. I wish they would all go back to Russia where they belong.

[don Gabacho]

On 6/21/2012 4:55 PM, deadrat wrote:

>> Do you even have a self to get under control?
>

<snip/> desperate yammer.

Obviously I've been looking at you.

"Xenophobia"?

Are you claiming you are indeed Mexican without somehow having ever
lived in Mexico?

Xenophobia is defined as "an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners
or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."

Having lived in Mexico for some 20 years, while I do regard Mexicans
foreign to Americans, they are hardly strangers to me. Moreover I do not
"hate" them.

You have a serious problem making, as simple as it is, the distinction
between the masses of people and their governments.

You have even a more serious problem of presuming---even wanting to
presume---"hate" in others.

According to your twisted rationale, you would have to accuse the vast
majority of Mexicans who are critical of their government---and
certainly "hate" their government---to somehow be "xenophobic" of their
own selves.

> before you instruct me on
> some mote in mine.

In my eye you are seeing the reflection of the "mote" in yours.

[deadrat]

Where were you when the WPE wiped his ass daily with the Constitution?
Have the common decency to quit whining now.

Socialism? Are you getting Social Security? If so, refer to the
"common decency" quote above.

[deadrat]

On 6/21/12 5:08 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/21/2012 4:55 PM, deadrat wrote:
>
>>> Do you even have a self to get under control?
>>
>
> <snip/> desperate yammer.
>
> Obviously I've been looking at you.

Through the intertubes?
>
> "Xenophobia"?

No. Xenophobia.

>
> Are you claiming you are indeed Mexican without somehow having ever
> lived in Mexico?

No.

> Xenophobia is defined as "an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners
> or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."
>
> Having lived in Mexico for some 20 years, while I do regard Mexicans
> foreign to Americans, they are hardly strangers to me. Moreover I do not
> "hate" them.

No. You just hate them.

> You have a serious problem making, as simple as it is, the distinction
> between the masses of people and their governments.

> You have even a more serious problem of presuming---even wanting to
> presume---"hate" in others.

I just read your posts, Don Gazpacho.

> According to your twisted rationale, you would have to accuse the vast
> majority of Mexicans who are critical of their government---and
> certainly "hate" their government---to somehow be "xenophobic" of their
> own selves.

You just quoted the definition, yet you can't apply it.

Ignoramus.

>
>> before you instruct me on some mote in mine.
>
> In my eye you are seeing the reflection of the "mote" in yours.

The reflection of a mote isn't a beam. Analogies not your strong suit, eh?

[Bill Graham]

Kent Wills wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:11:27 -0700, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> de...@dudu.org wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Car Crashes Mean Car
>>> Sales - GM loves highway criminals <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about murder and robbery and child molesting?. His decision to
>>>> let illegal aliens live here in open violation of laws passed by
>>>> congress makes a mockery of our legal system.!!
>>>>
>>> So what have the Republicans done to fix the illegal alien problem?
>>
>> Republicans too, profit from an ignorant electorate, so nothing will
>> ever be done about it. It is a major defect in the democratic
>> process, and it will eventually spell our demise.
>
> While I hope time will prove you wrong, I fear it will prove you
> right.

It seems to be one of several degenertive processes that I have observed
during my 76 years of living. Another is the demise of our educational
system. There was a time when you needed a lot of hard work to get an
education, and what you ended up with was a pretty smart individual who
could hold down a complicated job. Today, the education system turns out
people who can't do anything useful at all. When I sold my house in Menlo
Park in 1996, the girl who moved in was a Stanford graduate. She threw all
her books and papers away. I looked through them. There was absolutely
nothing of any value there. The books were worthless, and her papers were
laughable. She studied, "Corporate negotiating", or something like that....
It was some weasel worded field that had nothing to do with any real ability
to design, make, sell, repair or dispose of anything whatsoever. As Jay Leno
once said, they should have put cut and paste instructions on the back of
her diploma for turning it into a fast food hat... In my humble opinion, the
Television, Madison Avenue, and the socialists (liberals) have trashed this
nations ability to discriminate and to maintain ourselves in a competetive
world. We are, sadly, on our way out.

[Bill Graham]

Yes, and the chief problem is (IMO) educating them in order to keep our
voter pool intelligent enough to be able to pick good leaders. These aliens
are jst accelerating the progress of the destruction of our education system
that has developed during my lifetime. We are turning out idiots with phony
college degrees from our educastion system, and these people, raised on TV
ads and dumb sit-coms are unable to discriminate well enough to pick
intelligent leaders. The prospective leaders know this, and are promoting
both the demise of our education system, as well as the introduction of
millions of uneducated foreigners whose votes can be bought by expensive TV
ads and the promise of government give-away programs.

[Bill Graham]

Thats right. When the people are afraid of their own government, then any
pretense of, "Democracy" is a sham. In my case, I have come to distrust them
in the last 30 years or so, which is part of the reason why I post here and
a few other places as often as I do. It is also the reason why I call myself
a Libertarian.

[Bill Graham]

I am fond of saying that if Adolf Hitler were running on the conservative
Republican ticket against Jesus Christ on the liberal Democratic ticket, I
would have to vote for Adolf..... IOW, its the party and its policies that
are important, and not the man.

[Sancho Panza]

On 6/20/2012 11:14 PM, don Gabacho wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 9:27 PM, Sancho Panza wrote:
>> On 6/20/2012 3:30 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>
>>> Now you -and all readers- know why you have NEVER been elected to
>>> anything nor will ever be.
>>
>> If you think that is some sort of highly desirable achievement, that is
>> yet another example of how askew some people's view are.
>
> He's projecting. Only to confirm his quest for reward, not truth.

Without the latter, the former is not likely to be slaked, unless he
agitates with even just a bit more effect than he has here.