Cenzura na Facebook-u? Sve upućuje na to! Video Krčmarek i Balenović, dio drugii,
Miro
možda, postavio splikopisni (video) zapis sa Nove TV, od dvije minute
viesti kako je Hrvatsko redarstvo (policija) brutalno privela Dubravka
Krčmareka na Markovom trgu, koju viest HTV uobće nije ni na koji način
igdje spomenula, u roku od oko jedan sat vrjemena taj je video zapis
dobio oko 100 (stotinu hit-ova). Oko stotinu ljudi ppgledalo je taj
video zapis...
A sjećam se da su hit-ovi cielo vrieme rasli i poslije, oko desetak
ljudi po satu, još neko vrieme.
Eh sad...
Umor, bolest, nastavak priče dan kasnije na Novoj TV, prekodirao sam
par sati kasnije, možda tek oko 9 sati.
Kad sam uzeo screenshot kojim mogu dokazati koliko je kad hitova za
najnovijih 30-tak mojih video zapisa (u smislu mog koristničkog
računa, ili moje stranice, na Youtube-u), a to je, čekajte, prije oko
sat vrjemena, u 15:35, i mogu vidjeti da ih je tada bilo samo 7, 7
hitova, ili 7 "views", 7 pogleda.
Nije logično išta drugo doli: cenzura je tome razlog!
Filtriranje.
Ja vidim što sam postavio, ali ne vide drugi da sam to postavio.
Nigdje to meni ne piše, jer to nije ono što Facebook nudi, nije po
svoj prilici ni ono što bi Facebook moderatori htjeli, nego je to ono
što Facebook moderatori, moraju jer im divna i krasna naša UDB-a
nalaže da naprave...
Slično se dogodilo i Oskaru Šaruniću, kad su ove njegove tvrdnje
izparile iz T-portal foruma, gdje se pričalo o Zelenoj akciji i
prosvjedu protiv Horvatinčićevog kompleksa u Warszawskoj:
"SDP-ovci organiziraju prosvjede i Srpska pravoslavna Crkva."
i
"U nacizmu je bilo manje žrtava nego u komunizmu."
To nisu htjeli ostavit, taj komentar, na životu.
I Oskar je i dalje to vidio, ali se to isto nije vidjelo u redovitim
prikazima na portalima.
Vjerujem da je to i krivično djelo obmane, kažnjivo po Krivičnom
zakonu Republike Hrvatske, zar ne?
Provjerite na Facebooku:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1655713678759&set=a.1416226411727.2058869.1414614756&theater
Facebook, međutim, ima posebne metode kakve se dosad nisu koristile,
vidim... Naime, meni za različite slike i različite stranice se
prikazuju u adresnoj traci ista adresa, pa davati poveznice za
Facebook nije moguće egzaktno činiti, bez, ne velim poznavanje
unutarnjeg rada Facebook sustava, koliko skrivenih podataka Facebook
sustava, a hacker nisam, toliko niti sam jak, niti bih što rušio bez
potrjebe i smisla...
I sad svakako želim i treći dio napisati. Trebate znati da je naslov
izpravan.
Imam, eto, osjećaj, ne dao Bog da sam u krivu, ali ništa ne želim
tvrditi, da je Google nešto pouzdaniji u odbijanju da se povinuje
diktatima tajnih službi "nadležnih" za internet u nekoj zemlji...
Nikako nije za zaboraviti da su grdo ratovali s NR Kinom, jer nisu
htjeli ljude cenzurirati... Dobro, dulja je priča i složenija...
S istom onom NR Kinom kamo je Meso Smrdo išao u prijateljski posjet i
jedino što je zaboravio pitati jest da mu pomognu kineski hacker-i u
cenzuri u RH, je l'?
Hah, hah! Nisam "insider", ali kladim se da je jedna od najvažnijih
stavaka bila ta i takva i slična vrsta pomoći od NR Kine u cyber-
svietu današnje male naše Hrvatske, koji cyber sviet za doručak tri i
pol malo bolja kineska hackera probave...
Ali tko zna...
Ajmo mi na treći dio.
Miro
For kind attention of Google administrators!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I will forward this message two times.
First time, to draw attention to links that "died" due to, extremely
probably, outside attack.
I only state my opinion, but surely, exact reasoning, someone's
technical investigation, doesn't assume what isn't proven yet to them,
so the other possible reasons are either lack of knowledge by Google
admins in maintaining the programming code and/or an employee-mole who
intentionally compromises programming code to achieve that links (when
messages are forwarded or replied to) point to nowhere effectively...
Well surely, for the Google admins, there certainly is the issue of my
own lack of proper understanding, or my misunderstanding, and/or even
my truthfulness or lack of it, and/or any other human setback of any
kind that can be attributed to me, so I am open to them or anyone from
the public to whom these lines that I am writing will get to, to find
my own possible faults.
This, which you are reading, is the first message.
Never mind my using of plural in further text, even though ther will
be only one link to which it applies in the forwarded part of this
message. I'll continue using plural because I already saw this
principle applies regularly on Google Croatian-News.
It will, in my undestanding, when sent, contain links pointing
effectively to nowhere in the forwarded part of the message (while the
links were perfectly functional when they were written into the
original message, and are, just checked, in the case of this forwarded
message there is only one link, are functional in the original
message, I'll cut'n'paste it:
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/browse_thread/thread/8d8161581145b6f6/e5a9b44d5e4853cf?lnk=gst&q=Kine#e5a9b44d5e4853cff
; the link in there functional at the time of writing these lines, I
am now also cut'n'pasting the link itself:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.facebook.com/photo.php%3Ffbid%3D1655713678759%26set%3Da.1416226411727.2058869.1414614756%26theater
and http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1655713678759&set=a.1416226411727.2058869.1414614756&theater
). Yes I got the Google page, three links ago, when searching what I
wrote in Croatian on our former Croatian president's visit to China
and my surmize on cooperation of our regime's hackers with Chinese
hackers, but it's the same this page if you will:
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/msg/e5a9b44d5e4853cf ).
In this message I did NOT touch the forwarded content in any way, for
the exact reason of demonstrating the errors...
Also I am using
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/browse_thread/thread/8d8161581145b6f6/e5a9b44d5e4853cf?lnk=gst&q=Kine#e5a9b44d5e4853cf
that is to say, Google's own interface for sending it, for forwarding
it. That address a few words ago is just cut'n'pasted the address of
the page that I am in right now, while I am writing this.
In the second, the next, message, I'll try to correct the exact places
(one space missing, that's all!) in the forwarded part of the message
that need manual correction, because the attack (or something else)
compromised them, for the link(s) that those places contain to point
to intended location(s) on the internet, after my manual
correction(s).
I took pains to write correctly this message, because there would be
too much additional excessive fuss, on top of the fuss that is
unavoidable in putting forth issues of this kind, so I couldn't allow
myself superficiality and rush here. However, after a few rewrites to
get major clarity, I have to admit that I am currenty suffering from a
severe backache that effectively is making me end this work a little
earlier than would suffice to check it all properly... So allow for
later corrections, pls. I am sorry!
Greetz!
Miroslav Rovis
proud subscriber
and moderator
(my thanks! to Ivica Fonti, owner of the group)
of Google Croatian-News
fbid=1655713678759&set=a.1416226411...
Facebook, međutim, ima posebne metode kakve se dosad nisu koristile,
vidim... Naime, meni za različite slike i različite stranice se
prikazuju u adresnoj traci ista adresa, pa davati poveznice za
Facebook nije moguće egzaktno činiti, bez, ne velim poznavanje
unutarnjeg rada Facebook sustava, koliko skrivenih podataka Facebook
sustava, a hacker nisam, toliko niti sam jak, niti bih što rušio bez
potrjebe i smisla...
I sad svakako želim i treći dio napisati. Trebate znati da je naslov
izpravan.
Imam, eto, osjećaj, ne dao Bog da sam u krivu, ali ništa ne želim
tvrditi, da je Google nešto pouzdaniji u odbijanju da se povinuje
diktatima tajnih službi "nadležnih" za internet u nekoj zemlji...
Nikako nije za zaboraviti da su grdo ratovali s NR Kinom, jer nisu
htjeli ljude cenzurirati... Dobro, dulja je priča i složenija...
S istom onom NR Kinom kamo je Meso Smrdo išao u prijateljski posjet i
jedino što je zaboravio pitati jest da mu pomognu kineski hacker-i u
cenzuri u RH, je l'?
Hah, hah! Nisam "insider", ali kladim se da je jedna od najvažnijih
stavaka bila ta i takva i slična vrsta pomoći od NRKineu cyber-
Miro
message that contains all my long relating and reasoning. Here is what
this is about:
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/browse_thread/thread/8d8161581145b6f6/20fdda614bbdbd6c#20fdda614bbdbd6c
Only ons space " " correction added in the forwarded part of this
message, right before "http"
Noooo!!! It't much worse!!
There will be a third message and the link will have to be manually
pasted in, as the link is completely mangled!
Dear Google Croatia, this is a very bad stae of affairs! You must have
known about this already!
After inserting only " " to get the link to only start correctly, I
see that the links in replies and forwards are left, in the text they
are in, in trunks in which they show in pages (while containing the
true adress). How can this link lead to anywhere:
Provjerite na Facebooku: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1655713678759&set=a.1416226411...
As is what I got by correcting the link by only adding the " " in
front of http of the link...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Miro <miro.ro...@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 9, 5:22 pm
Subject: Cenzura na Facebook-u? Sve upućuje na to! Video Krčmarek i
Balenović, dio drugii,
To: Croatian News
Provjerite na Facebooku: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1655713678759&set=a.1416226411...
Facebook, međutim, ima posebne metode kakve se dosad nisu koristile,
vidim... Naime, meni za različite slike i različite stranice se
prikazuju u adresnoj traci ista adresa, pa davati poveznice za
Facebook nije moguće egzaktno činiti, bez, ne velim poznavanje
unutarnjeg rada Facebook sustava, koliko skrivenih podataka Facebook
sustava, a hacker nisam, toliko niti sam jak, niti bih što rušio bez
potrjebe i smisla...
I sad svakako želim i treći dio napisati. Trebate znati da je naslov
izpravan.
Imam, eto, osjećaj, ne dao Bog da sam u krivu, ali ništa ne želim
tvrditi, da je Google nešto pouzdaniji u odbijanju da se povinuje
diktatima tajnih službi "nadležnih" za internet u nekoj zemlji...
Nikako nije za zaboraviti da su grdo ratovali s NR Kinom, jer nisu
htjeli ljude cenzurirati... Dobro, dulja je priča i složenija...
S istom onom NR Kinom kamo je Meso Smrdo išao u prijateljski posjet i
jedino što je zaboravio pitati jest da mu pomognu kineski hacker-i u
cenzuri u RH, je l'?
Hah, hah! Nisam "insider", ali kladim se da je jedna od najvažnijih
stavaka bila ta i takva i slična vrsta pomoći od NRKineu cyber-
Miro
correction, manual correction all through:
Provjerite na Facebooku:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1655713678759&set=a.1416226411727.2058869.1414614756&theater
End of my current work on this. Links I revived, but my back died me!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Miro <miro.ro...@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 9, 5:22 pm
Subject: Cenzura na Facebook-u? Sve upućuje na to! Video Krčmarek i
Balenović, dio drugii,
To: Croatian News
stavaka bila ta i takva i slična vrsta pomoći od NRKineu cyber-
Miro
"Google cache, Croatian-News, Bleiburg, Chinese site, 2011-07-16, 14h"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_IaONNhAZk
possibly anything to do with ruining Google Croatian-News links,
maybe?
On Jul 18, 2:16 pm, Miro <miro.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, as you can see below, and here is a paste of the relevant
> correction, manual correction all through:
>
Miro
Can later be changed to different, just if someone does it let ther be
reason enough for doing so!
Yanko Galinac
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Miro
Janko (pronounced Yanko), I decided to write this topic in English, to
gain a little, a minuscule that it may be, international attention.
Google, as Larry Page, the C.E.O., one of the greater genii of our
time, who isn't only bent on profit, but has a normal and humane trait
to his business world, I would hope (but I haven't really studied his
person, I only got my opinion from my call it bird view conclusions on
Google, whereby I only mean looking from afar at what Google is,
counting in solely common knowledge of what Google is and how it
developed)...
So, Google shouldn't, I hope it won't, be taking my open letter like
some companies who require secretive correspondence to respond to you
at all!
And Google Croatia's employees are supposed to manage English better
yet than I do!
Here is a video that I intend to, God permitting, give a voiceover in
English to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABWzFERxXw
Facebook cenzura 2011-07-16 23h, nevidljiva slova Facebook četno-
skojevaca!
The title means:
Facebook censorship 2011-07-16 23h, invisible character of Facebook
chetno-communist jugend!
Than I can further advance my conjectures on censorship attacks on
Google as well as on Facebook pitching itself against free speech,
these two issues not necessarily being connected other than by their
similar type.
I only wish to translate now, find it further below pls (P.S. but
there's yet another little digression first before that translation
further on)....
>
> > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 05:46:42 -0700
> > Subject: [Croatian News] For kind attention of Google administrators! -- Chinese anything to do with this?
>
> > only changing title?
> > Can later be changed to different, just if someone does it let ther be
> > reason enough for doing so!
>
> > On Jul 18, 2:18 pm, Miro <miro.ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ah, has this:
some Chinese schools (I do not distingues well btwn Japanese and
Chinese, or Corean, but for the sake of simplicity, I'll suppose in
further text that it is Chinese), and, now when I think of it, it's
probably they got a recommendation to practice on it... to practice
their hacking skills...
> > > "Google cache, Croatian-News, Bleiburg, Chinese site, 2011-07-16, 14h"
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_IaONNhAZk
For the above link to work, I had to insert a " " (space, or blank)
before "http".
There's also more below, like I said.
translation is of the text that begins here below, and continues up to
the traslation underneath it.
> > > > tvrditi, da je Google nešto pouzdaniji u odbijanju da se povinuje
> > > > diktatima tajnih službi "nadležnih" za internet u nekoj zemlji...
> > > > Nikako nije za zaboraviti da su grdo ratovali s NR Kinom, jer nisu
> > > > htjeli ljude cenzurirati... Dobro, dulja je priča i složenija...
> > > > S istom onom NR Kinom kamo je Meso Smrdo išao u prijateljski posjet i
> > > > jedino što je zaboravio pitati jest da mu pomognu kineski hacker-i u
> > > > cenzuri u RH, je l'?
> > > > Hah, hah! Nisam "insider", ali kladim se da je jedna od najvažnijih
> > > > stavaka bila ta i takva i slična vrsta pomoći od NRKineu cyber-
> > > > svietu današnje male naše Hrvatske, koji cyber sviet za doručak tri i
> > > > pol malo bolja kineska hackera probave...
> > > > Ali tko zna...
regard, still I don't want to firmly state anything, that Google is
somewhat more reliable in refusing to comply to dictates of secret
services "responsible" for the internet in some country...
It isn't to be forgotten that they waged ugly war with PR China,
because they didn't want to censor people... O.K., the story is longer
and more complex, but still...
With the same PR China (they waged war with) whom Mesich the Lousy
Weasel went to pay a friendly visit to (note: Mesić, pronounced
Mesiche, che like Che Guevara, but two syllables only: Me-sich, is the
former president of the Republic of Croatia, and he went to China at
the time of my original post) and the sole thing he forgot to do was
to ask for the Chinese hackers to give a hand in censorship in the
Republic of Croatia, right?
Heh, heh! I'm not an "insider", but I bet that one of the most
important matters in the order of the day was that kind and similar
kind of "help" from PR China to the cyberworld of our contemorary
little Croatia, which cyberworld can be eaten for breakfast by a mini
team of not more a quater of a dozen or so of somewhat better capable
from amongst the Chinese hackers...
But who knows...
> > > > Ajmo mi na treći dio.
>
> > --
If I didn't remember, while translating, the best words and wordage, I
might improve the translation in the future...
Tired.
For our Homeland and for all Croatia's friends in the world! Za Dom!
Miroslav Rovis
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Yanko Galinac
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Miro
to links beeing losed when messages are forwarded or replied to...
Here:
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/msg/5fed2b07d88e6619
is how I had to manually check and reconstruct my perfectly given
links in my old post...
Come on! Make life a little better, Google Hrvatska personnel! You
must stumble on this some day! Thank you!
Miroslav Rovis
(Just to add: definitely I couldn';t bash Google as I had to bash on
Facebook! So far)
On Jul 19, 4:26 am, Yanko Galinac <yanko...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dobio sam sutra cu pregleda J . Galinac
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> > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:00:09 -0700
> > Subject: [Croatian News] Re: For kind attention of Google administrators! -- Chinese anything to do with this?
>
> read more >>
Miro
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Preskočite niže do tekxta na Hrvatskom.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
How about, dear Google, we keep this for later, in case we find out
some time in the future that Google Croatia moderators, employed and
paid moderators, don't conform to Google standards?
Naimely, I claim that people like Wael Ghonim, and I still dare hope
there are such people in some force in Google, wouldn't approve of the
kind of moderation that some, some and I mean at least or maybe only,
one, Google Croatia administrators, have moderated my and possibly
others' posts in Google group Croatian-News in ways, that, are
despicable in terms of business and morale, be it in limited measure.
God bless! And here is the text in Croatian:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ovako sam dosad podpisivao tekstove na Youtube-u
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/
http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
http://www.exDeo.com
Odsad kreditni rating Google Hrvatska nije kao prije, pa podpisujem:
http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
http://www.exDeo.com
http://groups.google.com/group/croatian-news/
Naime, hoću li ili ne ću li imati vrjemena pokazati, ne znam, ali neki
admini Google Hrvatska doista nije Wael Ghonim, i čini se da imaju i
neki od Google-ovih s skojevcima, nadao bih se ipak ne s četno-
skojevcima, sličnosti...
Niaime, ja to znam, dokazati bih mogao, vrieme ipak koristim za
pametnije, ali:
admin Google Hrvatska je više puta modificirao e-poruke koje sam ja
poslao.
Provjerite, eto tek natuknica, da se, premda jedino m.r...@inet.hr
moja adresa bi se smjela prikazati kao "Miroslav Rovis", budući da
sam ja osobno u miro....@gmail.com adresu, radi moguće komunikacije
sa strancima, stavio svoje kraće ime Miro Rovis....
Provjerite kako se voljom, ne znam koom i radi čega, ali dragi Hrvatu,
na takve izmjene prava nemaš, i nisi dostojan onog Google kakav bi
Google trebao biti, a kakvog je dostojan navedeni Wael Gnonim čijim
tragovima ti po svoj prilici ne ideš...
Provjerite kako se voljom admina Google Hrvatska, pojavljuje moja
adresa:
miro....@gmail.com kao "Miroslav Rovis"...
Pišem tom određenom Hrvatu administratoru Google Hrvatska jer težko da
se radi o više osoba, po naravi sarkastičnih izmjena koje je nekoliko
put dosad sproveo, modificiratjući tekstove, kako to ne smije ni po
zakonu, a ni po moralu kakav mu nalaže Google!
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Miroslav Rovis