Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows
Rotten Apple
Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows
by Adam Fisher-Cox on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM
What I Hate About The Mac
1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer - If my computer is sleeping, and I
unplug my iPod to go out, why does my computer wake up? Why, why, why? Same
if I'm unplugging my display/USB hub to use my computer as a laptop. The
computer should NOT wake up.
2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm aware
of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
or something. Just include it.
4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for the
most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and uninstall
by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in.
Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
would be invaluable.
5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled - If I drop a file into the trash that
an application is using, the trash won't empty. It will throw up a message
saying that "Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use." This is
all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your
open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many
times to count only to find that the file was still "in use." Is it too much
to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could
kill it with Activity Monitor.
What I Love About Windows
1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest software
you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of
Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all on
my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm
on Windows XP.
2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
window smaller.
3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
administrator. Great for tinkerers.
4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
too. Thanks.
Sandman
"Rotten Apple" <rot...@pple.com> wrote:
> http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/ten-things-i-hate-about-my-mac-and-love
> -about-windows/
>
> Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows
> by Adam Fisher-Cox on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM
>
> What I Hate About The Mac
>
> 1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer - If my computer is sleeping, and I
> unplug my iPod to go out, why does my computer wake up? Why, why, why? Same
> if I'm unplugging my display/USB hub to use my computer as a laptop. The
> computer should NOT wake up.
Meh
> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
Meh
> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm aware
> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
> or something. Just include it.
This works in Snow Leopard at least.
> 4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for the
> most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and uninstall
> by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
> Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
> uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
> AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in.
> Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
> would be invaluable.
CS3 comes with an uninstaller. Final Cut Studio does not. Never
bothered me. If I have these applications, why would I want to remove
them? As far as I know, all application that scatter files that I
would want to get rid of comes with an uninstaller. Like Parallells.
> 5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled - If I drop a file into the trash that
> an application is using, the trash won't empty. It will throw up a message
> saying that "Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use." This is
> all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your
> open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many
> times to count only to find that the file was still "in use." Is it too much
> to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could
> kill it with Activity Monitor.
Snow Leopard does this.
> What I Love About Windows
>
> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest software
> you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of
> Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all on
> my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm
> on Windows XP.
I would love for older games to run on my PC, but Myst won't start
properly with Windows Vista, even in compatibility mode.
As for software, I'm allergic to old and outdated software.
> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
> window smaller.
Windows maximization is the worst UI control ever. Imagine a window
maximized on any of my 30" screens. Thanks Apple for not using this UI
abomination.
> 3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
> without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
> administrator. Great for tinkerers.
Windows won't even show you the files unless you assert that you know
what you're doing. OSX safeguards you by having you submit your
password before fiddling with the innads.
> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
1. ctrl-alt-del
2. click task manager
3. click application process
4. click "end now"
1. cmd-alt-escape
2. click application
3. click "Force quit"
> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
> too. Thanks.
My Finder remember windows positions.
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Fa-groon
(in article <mr-0A195B.22...@News.Individual.NET>):
> In article <h8u5cd$8cg$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Rotten Apple" <rot...@pple.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/ten-things-i-hate-about-my-mac-and-lo
>> ve
>> -about-windows/
>>
>> Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows
>> by Adam Fisher-Cox on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM
>>
>> What I Hate About The Mac
>>
>> 1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer - If my computer is sleeping, and I
>> unplug my iPod to go out, why does my computer wake up? Why, why, why? Same
>> if I'm unplugging my display/USB hub to use my computer as a laptop. The
>> computer should NOT wake up.
>
> Meh
As opposed to Windows, which, for years WOULD NEVER LOOK AT THE USB Bus AGAIN
after going to sleep. If one used a USB mouse and keyboard, one had to keep a
serial mouse plugged in as well TO WAKE THE COMPUTER UP. I assume MS has
fixed that now, but it was a problem for years with WindBLOWS.
>
>> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> Meh
That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
"write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this jerk-off
consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
>
>> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
>> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
>> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
>> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
>> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
>> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm
>> aware
>> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
>> or something. Just include it.
>
> This works in Snow Leopard at least.
It works in both Tiger and Leopard as well. Open the folder, select the file,
right-click the mouse (or option-click it if you have only a single-button
mouse). Select "Copy..." from that menu and then navigate to the destination,
right-click again and choose "Paste Item". Couldn't be easier. This
hate-filled clown "Rotten Apple" is so out of touch with how Macs work that
he doesn't even know what the OS can and cannot do!
>
>> 4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for the
>> most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and
>> uninstall
>> by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
>> Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
>> uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
>> AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in.
>> Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
>> would be invaluable.
>
> CS3 comes with an uninstaller. Final Cut Studio does not. Never
> bothered me. If I have these applications, why would I want to remove
> them? As far as I know, all application that scatter files that I
> would want to get rid of comes with an uninstaller. Like Parallells.
>
>> 5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled - If I drop a file into the trash that
>> an application is using, the trash won't empty. It will throw up a message
>> saying that "Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use." This is
>> all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your
>> open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many
>> times to count only to find that the file was still "in use." Is it too
>> much
>> to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could
>> kill it with Activity Monitor.
>
> Snow Leopard does this.
So does Tiger and Leopard. This "Rotten Apple" guy doesn't know what he's
talking about. Again, and as usual.
>
>> What I Love About Windows
>>
>> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
>> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest
>> software
I have a couple of apps that go back to 2001, the dawn of OSX. Of course
Apple doesn't support "Classic" Mac apps any more, but who gives a damn?
>> you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of
>> Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all on
>> my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm
>> on Windows XP.
I lost a number of programs Like Adobe Dimensions, etc, when Classic support
was dropped too, but guess what? What Adobe Dimensions used to do was folded
into Illustrator ages ago.
>
> I would love for older games to run on my PC, but Myst won't start
> properly with Windows Vista, even in compatibility mode.
>
> As for software, I'm allergic to old and outdated software.
>
>> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
>> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
>> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
>> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
>> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
>> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither
>> is
>> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
>> window smaller.
>
> Windows maximization is the worst UI control ever. Imagine a window
> maximized on any of my 30" screens. Thanks Apple for not using this UI
> abomination.
>
>> 3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
>> without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
>> administrator. Great for tinkerers.
>
> Windows won't even show you the files unless you assert that you know
> what you're doing. OSX safeguards you by having you submit your
> password before fiddling with the innads.
Again, this guy thinks that Apple's attempt to keep one from permanently
screwing-up one's computer is a bad thing. Go Figure.
>
>> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
>> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
>> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
>
> 1. ctrl-alt-del
> 2. click task manager
> 3. click application process
> 4. click "end now"
>
> 1. cmd-alt-escape
> 2. click application
> 3. click "Force quit"
>
>> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
>> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
>> too. Thanks.
>
> My Finder remember windows positions.
This guy's "Ten Things I hate about OSX" is really lame. Most of his
assertions are either totally wrong or, at best, a result of his ignorance.
The rest are things that most people who aren't USED to Windows wouldn't care
about or miss.
ed
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:46:53 -0700, Sandman wrote
> >> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
> >> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
> >> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> > Meh
>
> That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
> "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this jerk-off
> consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
how exactly do you think apple prevents you from doing that?
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Snit
PM:
> http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/ten-things-i-hate-about-my-mac-and-love
> -about-windows/
>
> Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows
> by Adam Fisher-Cox on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM
>
> What I Hate About The Mac
>
...
> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
You are supposed to.
<http://www.ehow.com/how_4784537_remove-usb-flash-drive-computer.html>
...
> 4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for the
> most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and uninstall
> by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
> Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
> uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
> AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in.
> Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
> would be invaluable.
I agree it would be nice if Apple had one built in... but Photoshop and many
other apps that *benefit* from an uninstaller come with an uninstaller.
> 5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled - If I drop a file into the trash that
> an application is using, the trash won't empty. It will throw up a message
> saying that "Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use." This is
> all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your
> open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many
> times to count only to find that the file was still "in use." Is it too much
> to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could
> kill it with Activity Monitor.
Agreed... this is silly on OS X. I suggest the program "What's Keeping Me".
> What I Love About Windows
>
> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest software
> you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of
> Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all on
> my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm
> on Windows XP.
16 bit software does not run on 64 bit Windows 7... but, yes, the last few
years have seen Apple leaving behind software faster than I would like.
> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
> window smaller.
Agreed. I wish you could option click the green button to maximize. I use
RightZoom to get this with most applications... but it should be pretty much
universal and by default.
> 3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
> without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
> administrator. Great for tinkerers.
You can get around that on the Mac. If you do not know how, you should not
be deleting system files. :)
> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
I find the opposite - I have to force-quit multiple times in Windows. And
the command is easier to get to in OS X.
> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
> too. Thanks.
Snow Leopard does a better job with this, but, yes, the Finder is wonky in
that way.
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1775ef0d-0366-496d...@p9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com on 9/17/09
4:02 PM:
Electric shock and blow darts. Just wear rubber gloves and duck as you pull
the USB drive out. :)
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9/17/09 1:46 PM:
...
>> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
>> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
>> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
>> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
>> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
>> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm aware
>> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
>> or something. Just include it.
>
> This works in Snow Leopard at least.
Where in Snow Leopard is the option to cut and paste files?
...
>> 5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled - If I drop a file into the trash that
>> an application is using, the trash won't empty. It will throw up a message
>> saying that "Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use." This is
>> all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your
>> open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many
>> times to count only to find that the file was still "in use." Is it too much
>> to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could
>> kill it with Activity Monitor.
>
> Snow Leopard does this.
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/deleteme.png>
You were saying? :)
...
>> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
>> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
>> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
>> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
>> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
>> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
>> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
>> window smaller.
>
> Windows maximization is the worst UI control ever. Imagine a window
> maximized on any of my 30" screens. Thanks Apple for not using this UI
> abomination.
It would be a benefit to many. I know I would like it... happily I have
found RightZoom, but it is hardly ideal.
...
>> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
>> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
>> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
>
> 1. ctrl-alt-del
> 2. click task manager
> 3. click application process
> 4. click "end now"
>
> 1. cmd-alt-escape
> 2. click application
> 3. click "Force quit"
Option right click on the dock. The option is there.
>> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
>> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
>> too. Thanks.
>
> My Finder remember windows positions.
Well, it depends on if have the toolbar showing (the mode).
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ed
> >> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
> >> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
> >> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
> >> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
> >> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
> >> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm
> >> aware
> >> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
> >> or something. Just include it.
>
> > This works in Snow Leopard at least.
>
> It works in both Tiger and Leopard as well. Open the folder, select the file,
> right-click the mouse (or option-click it if you have only a single-button
> mouse). Select "Copy..." from that menu and then navigate to the destination,
> right-click again and choose "Paste Item". Couldn't be easier. This
> hate-filled clown "Rotten Apple" is so out of touch with how Macs work that
> he doesn't even know what the OS can and cannot do!
he mentioned cut and paste, and you're talking copy and paste- which
leopard (at least my machine) doesn't appear to do.
<snip>
Snit
bc950703-2bf2-4b9c...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com on 9/17/09
6:27 PM:
Nor does Snow Leopard. Sandman and Fa-groon made a boo-boo. :)
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Fa-groon
(in article
<1775ef0d-0366-496d...@p9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>):
Well, NOTHING can prevent an idiot from being an idiot, but when people use a
Mac, they quickly get used to un-mounting the drive before unplugging it. If
you really want to unplug the sucker before dis-mounting it, you certainly
can, but the Mac will bitch at you for doing so. Bottom line, its not a good
idea and Apple rightly "asks" one to un-mount the drive before unplugging it.
Lloyd Parsons
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Sandman stated in post mr-0A195B.22...@News.Individual.NET on
> 9/17/09 1:46 PM:
>
> ...
> >> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
> >> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love
> >> using
> >> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
> >> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file
> >> all
> >> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
> >> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm
> >> aware
> >> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart
> >> Move"
> >> or something. Just include it.
> >
> > This works in Snow Leopard at least.
>
> Where in Snow Leopard is the option to cut and paste files?
>
Open finder, select file, hit <cmd>v, move to new location and hit <cmd>c
Works every time....
ed
> >>>> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
> >>>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
> >>>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> >>> Meh
>
> >> That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
> >> "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this jerk-off
> >> consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
>
> > how exactly do you think apple prevents you from doing that?
>
> > <snip>
>
> Well, NOTHING can prevent an idiot from being an idiot, but when people use a
> Mac, they quickly get used to un-mounting the drive before unplugging it. If
> you really want to unplug the sucker before dis-mounting it, you certainly
> can, but the Mac will bitch at you for doing so. Bottom line, its not a good
> idea and Apple rightly "asks" one to un-mount the drive before unplugging it.
the same in windows.
Snit
lloydparsons-B044...@port80.individual.net on 9/17/09 7:51 PM:
> In article <C6D82EDD.48723%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandman stated in post mr-0A195B.22...@News.Individual.NET on
>> 9/17/09 1:46 PM:
>>
>> ...
>>>> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
>>>> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love
>>>> using
>>>> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
>>>> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file
>>>> all
>>>> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
>>>> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm
>>>> aware
>>>> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart
>>>> Move"
>>>> or something. Just include it.
>>>
>>> This works in Snow Leopard at least.
>>
>> Where in Snow Leopard is the option to cut and paste files?
>>
> Open finder, select file, hit <cmd>v, move to new location and hit <cmd>c
>
> Works every time....
Oh, yes... missed that. :)
...
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
ed
> In article <C6D82EDD.48723%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > 9/17/09 1:46 PM:
>
> > ...
> > >> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
> > >> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love
> > >> using
> > >> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
> > >> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file
> > >> all
> > >> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
> > >> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm
> > >> aware
> > >> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart
> > >> Move"
> > >> or something. Just include it.
>
> > > This works in Snow Leopard at least.
>
> > Where in Snow Leopard is the option to cut and paste files?
>
> Open finder, select file, hit <cmd>v, move to new location and hit <cmd>c
>
> Works every time....
you're probably talking about <cmd>c, then <cmd>v. that's copy, paste,
not cut, paste.
<snip>
Fa-groon
(in article
<fddf0410-707e-441a...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
> On Sep 17, 7:43ï¿œpm, Fa-groon <fa-gr...@mad.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
>>>>>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
>>>>>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>>
>>>>> Meh
>>
>>>> That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
>>>> "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this
>>>> jerk-off
>>>> consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
>>
>>> how exactly do you think apple prevents you from doing that?
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>> Well, NOTHING can prevent an idiot from being an idiot, but when people use
>> a
>> Mac, they quickly get used to un-mounting the drive before unplugging it. If
>> you really want to unplug the sucker before dis-mounting it, you certainly
>> can, but the Mac will bitch at you for doing so. ï¿œBottom line, its not a
>> good
>> idea and Apple rightly "asks" one to un-mount the drive before unplugging
>> it.
>
> the same in windows.
Except that WinBLOWS doesn't care if you pull the connection in the middle of
a write and destroy all the data on the drive.
Steve de Mena
> >> 1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer - If my computer is sleeping, and I
> >> unplug my iPod to go out, why does my computer wake up? Why, why, why? Same
> >> if I'm unplugging my display/USB hub to use my computer as a laptop. The
> >> computer should NOT wake up.
>
> > Meh
>
> As opposed to Windows, which, for years WOULD NEVER LOOK AT THE USB Bus AGAIN
> after going to sleep. If one used a USB mouse and keyboard, one had to keep a
> serial mouse plugged in as well TO WAKE THE COMPUTER UP. I assume MS has
> fixed that now, but it was a problem for years with WindBLOWS.
When was this? 1993?
> >> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
> >> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
> >> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> > Meh
>
> That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
> "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this jerk-off
> consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
How does Apple stop you from pulling out a USB drive? Answer: They
can't.
> >> What I Love About Windows
>
> >> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
> >> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest
> >> software
>
> I have a couple of apps that go back to 2001, the dawn of OSX. Of course
> Apple doesn't support "Classic" Mac apps any more, but who gives a damn?
The poster does.
Steve
Dan Johnson
news:C6D828B0.48716%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>>> a
>>> "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this
>>> jerk-off
>>> consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
>>
>> how exactly do you think apple prevents you from doing that?
>
> Electric shock and blow darts. Just wear rubber gloves and duck as you
> pull
> the USB drive out. :)
My, that's a whole new level of user friendliness! :D
C Lund
> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
> window smaller.
Maximize *is* done right on OS X. It maximizes a window so the
contents can be displayed the way they were supposed to be displayed �
unlike windows where the window is smeared over the entire screen
whether the contents need that much space or not.
--
C Lund
Dan Johnson
>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> You are supposed to.
>
> <http://www.ehow.com/how_4784537_remove-usb-flash-drive-computer.html>
You are supposed to carefully eject (or "safely remove") any device that
uses aggressive write caching. This is what the "optimize for
performance/quick removal" radio buttons control in device manager. However,
it's a deeply buried. Windows uses "quick removal" as the default for USB
drives, however, because it fully expects you to just rip the thing right
out of there.
However, you can get Mac like behavior, and there are some advantages to
doing so.
>> 4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for
>> the
>> most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and
>> uninstall
>> by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
>> Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
>> uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
>> AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built
>> in.
>> Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
>> would be invaluable.
>
> I agree it would be nice if Apple had one built in... but Photoshop and
> many
> other apps that *benefit* from an uninstaller come with an uninstaller.
The big ISVs do tend to provide uninstallers. The little guys tends to ship
simple bundles.
The worst exception is Apple itself, which ships system updates of all kinds
with no way to remove them once installed.
Hence all the 'pludging' drama on each new Apple point-release.
Or at least I think 'pludging' is what the cool kids call it. Windows users
don't have as special word for this, as it's not such a big deal for us. :D
[snip]
>> What I Love About Windows
>>
>> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software
>> you
>> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest
>> software
>> you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version
>> of
>> Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all
>> on
>> my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a
>> charm
>> on Windows XP.
>
> 16 bit software does not run on 64 bit Windows 7... but, yes, the last few
> years have seen Apple leaving behind software faster than I would like.
Photoshop Elements was first released on Windows in 2001, a bit late for it
to be 16 bit.
But even if it were 16 bit, I think you will be able to run the 16-bit stuff
in 64-bit Windows 7 via the not-very-pretty expedient of "XP Mode", which is
a full-on VM. Only some editions of Windows 7 are to have this, however.
And of course 32-bit Windows 7 continues the 16-bit compatibility the NT
line has had since day one. This is becoming increasingly irrelevant, of
course, but if you really need it it is available.
So, even now, all these years later, MS hasn't abandoned the lover of 16-bit
software. Not quite yet, anyway.
>> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
>> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
>> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
>> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has,
>> does,
>> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
>> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither
>> is
>> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make
>> the
>> window smaller.
>
> Agreed. I wish you could option click the green button to maximize. I
> use
> RightZoom to get this with most applications... but it should be pretty
> much
> universal and by default.
One of the nice little things about Windows 7 is its "Aero Snap"; you can
think of this as "maximization for big screens", since it effectively
maximizes, but only to half the screen. Very nice on a widescreen monitor.
>> 3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
>> without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
>> administrator. Great for tinkerers.
>
> You can get around that on the Mac. If you do not know how, you should
> not
> be deleting system files. :)
Yeah, "easy to sabotage" isn't a big advantage. But Windows will demand
elevation to do this, at least.
>> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit"
>> in
>> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get
>> the
>> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
>
> I find the opposite - I have to force-quit multiple times in Windows. And
> the command is easier to get to in OS X.
What, you don't find the three-finger-salute to be the acme of UI design?
At any rate, killing things repeatedly (with "End Process") in Windows
doesn't do anything- if a process is hung up in the kernel, it will die only
when it gets unhung, and not before. If it isn't, it will die at once.
Repeated button pressing does nothing.
For those of us who are not Snit, and are therefore using current versions
of Windows, there is good news: Vista made everything that happens in the
kernel cancellable, so thing don't hang like that. At all, ever, in my
experience. The big culprit, if the Channel 9 video on this is to be
believed, was the network redirector- a process could hang in the kernel
whilst timing out during access to a network share. But not in Vista.
If you still use Ye Olde Windows XP, then I guess you're just stuck.
>> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
>> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can
>> learn
>> too. Thanks.
>
> Snow Leopard does a better job with this, but, yes, the Finder is wonky in
> that way.
What does SL do? Leopard was really odd about this- it would remember folder
settings only when explicitly told to do so via a checkbox. I didn't realize
SL had changed anything.
Snit
9/18/09 2:03 AM:
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C6D82656.4870B%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Rotten Apple stated in post h8u5cd$8cg$1...@news.albasani.net on 9/17/09 1:15
>> PM:
>>
>>> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
>>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
>>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>>
>> You are supposed to.
>>
>> <http://www.ehow.com/how_4784537_remove-usb-flash-drive-computer.html>
>>
> You are supposed to carefully eject (or "safely remove") any device that uses
> aggressive write caching. This is what the "optimize for performance/quick
> removal" radio buttons control in device manager. However, it's a deeply
> buried. Windows uses "quick removal" as the default for USB drives, however,
> because it fully expects you to just rip the thing right out of there.
>
> However, you can get Mac like behavior, and there are some advantages to doing
> so.
On Windows there is the little icon in the notification area. On OS X there
is the eject symbol next to the drive, Command+E, or drag to the trash
(which becomes the eject symbol).
>>> 4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for the
>>> most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and uninstall
>>> by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
>>> Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
>>> uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
>>> AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in.
>>> Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
>>> would be invaluable.
>>>
>> I agree it would be nice if Apple had one built in... but Photoshop and many
>> other apps that *benefit* from an uninstaller come with an uninstaller.
>
> The big ISVs do tend to provide uninstallers. The little guys tends to ship
> simple bundles.
Larger programs are not always bundles... but even the big guys often have
packages.
> The worst exception is Apple itself, which ships system updates of all kinds
> with no way to remove them once installed.
>
> Hence all the 'pludging' drama on each new Apple point-release.
>
> Or at least I think 'pludging' is what the cool kids call it. Windows users
> don't have as special word for this, as it's not such a big deal for us. :D
A roll-back feature on updates would be good. No argument here.
> [snip]
>>> What I Love About Windows
>>>
>>> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
>>> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest software
>>> you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of
>>> Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all on
>>> my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm
>>> on Windows XP.
>>>
>> 16 bit software does not run on 64 bit Windows 7... but, yes, the last few
>> years have seen Apple leaving behind software faster than I would like.
>
> Photoshop Elements was first released on Windows in 2001, a bit late for it
> to be 16 bit.
>
> But even if it were 16 bit, I think you will be able to run the 16-bit stuff
> in 64-bit Windows 7 via the not-very-pretty expedient of "XP Mode", which is
> a full-on VM. Only some editions of Windows 7 are to have this, however.
>
> And of course 32-bit Windows 7 continues the 16-bit compatibility the NT
> line has had since day one. This is becoming increasingly irrelevant, of
> course, but if you really need it it is available.
>
> So, even now, all these years later, MS hasn't abandoned the lover of 16-bit
> software. Not quite yet, anyway.
Well, they have if you want to also use 64 bit software. Ran into this in
the last few days - someone wanting to run old software on their Win 7
system. They picked the 64 bit version of Windows. Wrong choice...
>>> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
>>> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
>>> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
>>> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
>>> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
>>> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
>>> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
>>> window smaller.
>>>
>> Agreed. I wish you could option click the green button to maximize. I use
>> RightZoom to get this with most applications... but it should be pretty much
>> universal and by default.
>>
> One of the nice little things about Windows 7 is its "Aero Snap"; you can
> think of this as "maximization for big screens", since it effectively
> maximizes, but only to half the screen. Very nice on a widescreen monitor.
I can see where it can benefit from some improvements / configurability...
but, yes, it is pretty cool.
>>> 3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
>>> without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
>>> administrator. Great for tinkerers.
>>>
>> You can get around that on the Mac. If you do not know how, you should not
>> be deleting system files. :)
>>
> Yeah, "easy to sabotage" isn't a big advantage. But Windows will demand
> elevation to do this, at least.
>
>>> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
>>> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
>>> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
>>>
>> I find the opposite - I have to force-quit multiple times in Windows. And
>> the command is easier to get to in OS X.
>>
> What, you don't find the three-finger-salute to be the acme of UI design?
>
> At any rate, killing things repeatedly (with "End Process") in Windows doesn't
> do anything- if a process is hung up in the kernel, it will die only when it
> gets unhung, and not before. If it isn't, it will die at once. Repeated button
> pressing does nothing.
Same with OS X as far as I know.
> For those of us who are not Snit, and are therefore using current versions of
> Windows, there is good news: Vista made everything that happens in the kernel
> cancellable, so thing don't hang like that. At all, ever, in my experience.
> The big culprit, if the Channel 9 video on this is to be believed, was the
> network redirector- a process could hang in the kernel whilst timing out
> during access to a network share. But not in Vista.
>
> If you still use Ye Olde Windows XP, then I guess you're just stuck.
Hmmm, thought I ran into this with Win 7... but would not swear to it.
>>> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
>>> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
>>> too. Thanks.
>>>
>> Snow Leopard does a better job with this, but, yes, the Finder is wonky in
>> that way.
>>
> What does SL do? Leopard was really odd about this- it would remember folder
> settings only when explicitly told to do so via a checkbox. I didn't realize
> SL had changed anything.
It supposedly remembers them by default now... location, etc. Have not
really played with that aspect enough to look for any differences.
--
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ed
wrote:
> In article <h8u5cd$8c...@news.albasani.net>,
except that 'the way they were supposed to be displayed' isn't
necessarily so easily defined. like when i click on the + button in
automator, it basically maximizes. even though it doesn't need it-
none of the actions in the workflow (on the right) i have are that
long, but that's the side it expands, leaving a bunch of white space.
whereas on many webpages which reflows, it doesn't get as wide as i
like (or at all, like on this google groups page, despite the left
side of the page having a horizontal scrollbar, and the right side not
displaying all the content). i'd prefer something consistent...
Nashton
> In article <h8u5cd$8cg$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Rotten Apple" <rot...@pple.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/ten-things-i-hate-about-my-mac-and-love
>> -about-windows/
>>
>> Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows
>> by Adam Fisher-Cox on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM
>>
>> What I Hate About The Mac
>>
>> 1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer - If my computer is sleeping, and I
>> unplug my iPod to go out, why does my computer wake up? Why, why, why? Same
>> if I'm unplugging my display/USB hub to use my computer as a laptop. The
>> computer should NOT wake up.
>
> Meh
Meh?
>
>> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> Meh
Hmm.
>
>> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
>> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
>> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
>> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
>> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
>> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm aware
>> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
>> or something. Just include it.
>
> This works in Snow Leopard at least.
What a load o'crap.
>
>> 4) No Universal Uninstaller - I love that applications in OS X are for the
>> most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and uninstall
>> by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or
>> Apple's own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly
>> uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and
>> AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in.
>> Why can't OS X? It wouldn't be used that much, but when it is needed, it
>> would be invaluable.
>
> CS3 comes with an uninstaller. Final Cut Studio does not. Never
> bothered me. If I have these applications, why would I want to remove
> them? As far as I know, all application that scatter files that I
> would want to get rid of comes with an uninstaller. Like Parallells.
Windows has an uninstaller, but it doesn't work, plain and simple.
>
>> 5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled - If I drop a file into the trash that
>> an application is using, the trash won't empty. It will throw up a message
>> saying that "Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use." This is
>> all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your
>> open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many
>> times to count only to find that the file was still "in use." Is it too much
>> to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could
>> kill it with Activity Monitor.
>
> Snow Leopard does this.
Finally. It is an annoyance.
>
>> What I Love About Windows
>>
>> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software you
>> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest software
>> you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of
>> Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn't run at all on
>> my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm
>> on Windows XP.
>
> I would love for older games to run on my PC, but Myst won't start
> properly with Windows Vista, even in compatibility mode.
Myst? You're still playing Myst?
>
> As for software, I'm allergic to old and outdated software.
Get medicalhelp.
>
>> 2) Maximize Done Right - I know that the green button in OS X isn't
>> technically a Maximize button, but I don't know what it is. In iTunes and
>> Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it's a resizer. In iPhoto,
>> iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it's a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does,
>> and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why
>> maximization isn't practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is
>> a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the
>> window smaller.
>
> Windows maximization is the worst UI control ever. Imagine a window
> maximized on any of my 30" screens. Thanks Apple for not using this UI
> abomination.
This is an idiotic statement. This is *one* thing that Windows is better at.
The MacOS has a very inconsistent way of doing things.
>
>> 3) Access to the Innards - Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File
>> without being told I don't have privileges even though I'm the freakin'
>> administrator. Great for tinkerers.
Not true.
>
> Windows won't even show you the files unless you assert that you know
> what you're doing. OSX safeguards you by having you submit your
> password before fiddling with the innads.
>
>> 4) Easy Force Quit - By and large, it takes three clicks of "Force Quit" in
>> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
>> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
>
> 1. ctrl-alt-del
Hardly ever works on the Mac.
> 2. click task manager
What about when it's frozen and doesn't respond?
> 3. click application process
See above.
> 4. click "end now"
See above.
>
> 1. cmd-alt-escape
> 2. click application
> 3. click "Force quit"
See above.
>
>> 5) Settings are Remembered - OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the
>> corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn
>> too. Thanks.
>
> My Finder remember windows positions.
But it forgets different view modes, even if you set them as default.
Sandman is once again being a fanboi. I am a Mac user and have no
problem nto making an a33 of myself trying to defend the Mac when it
simply can't be done.
>
>
Nashton
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:12:02 -0700, ed wrote
> (in article
> <fddf0410-707e-441a...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>):
>
>>>>>>> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
>>>>>>> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
>>>>>>> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>>>>>> Meh
>>>>> That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
>>>>> "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this
>>>>> jerk-off
>>>>> consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
>>>> how exactly do you think apple prevents you from doing that?
>>>> <snip>
>>> Well, NOTHING can prevent an idiot from being an idiot, but when people use
>>> a
>>> Mac, they quickly get used to un-mounting the drive before unplugging it. If
>>> you really want to unplug the sucker before dis-mounting it, you certainly
>>> idea and Apple rightly "asks" one to un-mount the drive before unplugging
>>> it.
>> the same in windows.
>
> Except that WinBLOWS doesn't care if you pull the connection in the middle of
> a write and destroy all the data on the drive.
>
Windows doesn't care but the user should, if he/she values his/her data.
Fa-groon
(in article <h904tu$ven$1...@aioe.org>):
But option-right-click on an open app in the dock will bring up the "force
quit" option in a pop-up menu and has since (at least) Tiger.
Alan Baker
<6b88b88f-f04f-44f0...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
No, but unlike Windows, they can let you know that doing so is a bad
idea.
>
>
> > >> What I Love About Windows
> >
> > >> 1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software - What's the oldest software
> > >> you
> > >> can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What's the oldest
> > >> software
> >
> > I have a couple of apps that go back to 2001, the dawn of OSX. Of course
> > Apple doesn't support "Classic" Mac apps any more, but who gives a damn?
>
> The poster does.
>
> Steve
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Vancouver, British Columbia
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Dan Johnson
>> However, you can get Mac like behavior, and there are some advantages to
>> doing
>> so.
>
> On Windows there is the little icon in the notification area. On OS X
> there
> is the eject symbol next to the drive, Command+E, or drag to the trash
> (which becomes the eject symbol).
Well, you can also 'safely remove' from the 'Computer' folder; you don't
*have* to use the little icon, even if you are using aggressive caching.
No sidebar anything, though.
Of course, the usual thing is to just rip the thing out like a one of the
floppy disks of yore. :D
[snip]
>> And of course 32-bit Windows 7 continues the 16-bit compatibility the NT
>> line has had since day one. This is becoming increasingly irrelevant, of
>> course, but if you really need it it is available.
>>
>> So, even now, all these years later, MS hasn't abandoned the lover of
>> 16-bit
>> software. Not quite yet, anyway.
>
> Well, they have if you want to also use 64 bit software. Ran into this in
> the last few days - someone wanting to run old software on their Win 7
> system. They picked the 64 bit version of Windows. Wrong choice...
Did they try XP-mode? I am hopeful this will mitigate the compatibility
problem with 16-bit software.
[snip]
>> What, you don't find the three-finger-salute to be the acme of UI design?
>>
>> At any rate, killing things repeatedly (with "End Process") in Windows
>> doesn't
>> do anything- if a process is hung up in the kernel, it will die only when
>> it
>> gets unhung, and not before. If it isn't, it will die at once. Repeated
>> button
>> pressing does nothing.
>
> Same with OS X as far as I know.
Yep. This is one of the areas where Windows, OS X and Unix are pretty much
the same.
>> For those of us who are not Snit, and are therefore using current
>> versions of
>> Windows, there is good news: Vista made everything that happens in the
>> kernel
>> cancellable, so thing don't hang like that. At all, ever, in my
>> experience.
>> The big culprit, if the Channel 9 video on this is to be believed, was
>> the
>> network redirector- a process could hang in the kernel whilst timing out
>> during access to a network share. But not in Vista.
>>
>> If you still use Ye Olde Windows XP, then I guess you're just stuck.
>
> Hmmm, thought I ran into this with Win 7... but would not swear to it.
I would hope they haven't regressed on this. Of course, you might have a
buggy driver that'll bring you down - if so, getting a single app stuck is
merciful. A buggy (kernel-mode) driver can take down everything.
[snip]
Snit
9/18/09 2:14 PM:
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C6D89D3E.48787%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Dan Johnson stated in post Dt6dnSo06p510S7X...@supernews.com
>> on
>> 9/18/09 2:03 AM:
> [snip- safely remove hardware]
>>> However, you can get Mac like behavior, and there are some advantages to
>>> doing so.
>>>
>> On Windows there is the little icon in the notification area. On OS X there
>> is the eject symbol next to the drive, Command+E, or drag to the trash (which
>> becomes the eject symbol).
>>
> Well, you can also 'safely remove' from the 'Computer' folder; you don't
> *have* to use the little icon, even if you are using aggressive caching.
>
> No sidebar anything, though.
>
> Of course, the usual thing is to just rip the thing out like a one of the
> floppy disks of yore. :D
You can rip it out in either OS... but in both it is suggested to "eject"
it... or prepare for removal.
> [snip]
>>> And of course 32-bit Windows 7 continues the 16-bit compatibility the NT
>>> line has had since day one. This is becoming increasingly irrelevant, of
>>> course, but if you really need it it is available.
>>>
>>> So, even now, all these years later, MS hasn't abandoned the lover of 16-bit
>>> software. Not quite yet, anyway.
>>>
>> Well, they have if you want to also use 64 bit software. Ran into this in
>> the last few days - someone wanting to run old software on their Win 7
>> system. They picked the 64 bit version of Windows. Wrong choice...
>>
> Did they try XP-mode? I am hopeful this will mitigate the compatibility
> problem with 16-bit software.
They were running Win 7 in virtualization - I do not think XP Mode is
supported there.
> [snip]
>>> What, you don't find the three-finger-salute to be the acme of UI design?
>>>
>>> At any rate, killing things repeatedly (with "End Process") in Windows
>>> doesn't do anything- if a process is hung up in the kernel, it will die only
>>> when it gets unhung, and not before. If it isn't, it will die at once.
>>> Repeated button pressing does nothing.
>>>
>> Same with OS X as far as I know.
>>
> Yep. This is one of the areas where Windows, OS X and Unix are pretty much the
> same.
Hey, OS X *is* Unix. Except where it is not. :)
>>> For those of us who are not Snit, and are therefore using current versions
>>> of Windows, there is good news: Vista made everything that happens in the
>>> kernel cancellable, so thing don't hang like that. At all, ever, in my
>>> experience. The big culprit, if the Channel 9 video on this is to be
>>> believed, was the network redirector- a process could hang in the kernel
>>> whilst timing out during access to a network share. But not in Vista.
>>>
>>> If you still use Ye Olde Windows XP, then I guess you're just stuck.
>>>
>> Hmmm, thought I ran into this with Win 7... but would not swear to it.
>>
> I would hope they haven't regressed on this. Of course, you might have a buggy
> driver that'll bring you down - if so, getting a single app stuck is merciful.
> A buggy (kernel-mode) driver can take down everything.
I could, I admit, also be wrong. It has happened once before, so anything
is possible I suppose. :)
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Tim Murray
> he mentioned cut and paste, and you're talking copy and paste- which
> leopard (at least my machine) doesn't appear to do.
For years (at least pre-Leopard) copy would load the clipboard with the
folder and file names *and* the objects. The paste would behave depending on
the target. If you paste into, say, a text editor, you got the object names.
If you paste in Finder, you get the objects.
GreyCloud
I saw a Best-Buy technician pull out a USB drive on Vista and all of a
sudden
and out of thin air a chair was thrown at him. :-))
--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).
Steve de Mena
>
> > > >> 2) USB Drives Can't Simply Be Unplugged - In a similar vein to the first
> > > >> one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to
> > > >> eject the drive first? I don't on Windows.
>
> > > > Meh
>
> > > That's true. On Windows you CAN pull out the USB drive in the middle of a
> > > "write" thus screwing it up. Apple won't let you do that. And this jerk-off
> > > consides Apple's attempt to safeguard his data as a DRAWBACK?
>
> > How does Apple stop you from pulling out a USB drive? Answer: They
> > can't.
>
> No, but unlike Windows, they can let you know that doing so is a bad
> idea.
Am I missing something? Isn't that the purpose of the Eject utility
in the system tray in Windows?
Steve
Dan Johnson
>> *have* to use the little icon, even if you are using aggressive caching.
>>
>> No sidebar anything, though.
>>
>> Of course, the usual thing is to just rip the thing out like a one of the
>> floppy disks of yore. :D
>
> You can rip it out in either OS... but in both it is suggested to "eject"
> it... or prepare for removal.
Windows will indeed suggest this, but only for drives that are "optimized
for performance". It assumes USB drives should, by default, be "optimized
for quick removal", and this means it does not whine about them.
[snip]
>>> Well, they have if you want to also use 64 bit software. Ran into this
>>> in
>>> the last few days - someone wanting to run old software on their Win 7
>>> system. They picked the 64 bit version of Windows. Wrong choice...
>>>
>> Did they try XP-mode? I am hopeful this will mitigate the compatibility
>> problem with 16-bit software.
>
> They were running Win 7 in virtualization - I do not think XP Mode is
> supported there.
Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. Or not; can they not just run XP itself in
virtualization alongside? Or Windows 3.1?
[snip]
>>> Same with OS X as far as I know.
>>>
>> Yep. This is one of the areas where Windows, OS X and Unix are pretty
>> much the
>> same.
>
> Hey, OS X *is* Unix. Except where it is not. :)
Well, it's UnixT. But I am not sure that actually requires this behavior-
Mach was originally a microkernel, and you would run all this stuff in
separate processes. There'd be hardly anything in the kernel to hang in the
first place.
OTOH, Apple didn't do that.
[snip]
Snit
9/19/09 4:23 AM:
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C6D94871.48894%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Dan Johnson stated in post cdqdnTE-b46sZS7X...@supernews.com
>> on
>> 9/18/09 2:14 PM:
>>
>>> Well, you can also 'safely remove' from the 'Computer' folder; you don't
>>> *have* to use the little icon, even if you are using aggressive caching.
>>>
>>> No sidebar anything, though.
>>>
>>> Of course, the usual thing is to just rip the thing out like a one of the
>>> floppy disks of yore. :D
>>>
>> You can rip it out in either OS... but in both it is suggested to "eject"
>> it... or prepare for removal.
>>
> Windows will indeed suggest this, but only for drives that are "optimized for
> performance". It assumes USB drives should, by default, be "optimized for
> quick removal", and this means it does not whine about them.
Why have the option to remove it in the UI at all?
> [snip]
>>>> Well, they have if you want to also use 64 bit software. Ran into this in
>>>> the last few days - someone wanting to run old software on their Win 7
>>>> system. They picked the 64 bit version of Windows. Wrong choice...
>>>>
>>> Did they try XP-mode? I am hopeful this will mitigate the compatibility
>>> problem with 16-bit software.
>>>
>> They were running Win 7 in virtualization - I do not think XP Mode is
>> supported there.
>>
> Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. Or not; can they not just run XP itself in
> virtualization alongside? Or Windows 3.1?
If they had a spare copy of XP and did not have to run it just to get one
small program... sure.
>
> [snip]
>>>> Same with OS X as far as I know.
>>>>
>>> Yep. This is one of the areas where Windows, OS X and Unix are pretty much
>>> the same.
>>>
>> Hey, OS X *is* Unix. Except where it is not. :)
>>
> Well, it's UnixT. But I am not sure that actually requires this behavior- Mach
> was originally a microkernel, and you would run all this stuff in separate
> processes. There'd be hardly anything in the kernel to hang in the first
> place.
>
> OTOH, Apple didn't do that.
I shall not pretend to understand all the details about the benefits of
different kernel architectures. :)
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Alan Baker
<13afa8ca-25ed-4da1...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Steve de Mena <dem...@gmail.com> wrote:
What happens... ...no: what *notification* do you get when you just pull
a USB drive out of a Windows machine while its still in use?
None.
The Mac warns you that pulling the drive out is the wrong thing to do
and may cause data loss and then it explains what the right thing to do
is.
Autymn D. C.
> Sandman stated in post mr-0A195B.22465317092...@News.Individual.NET on 9/17/09 1:46 PM:
> >> OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the
> >> Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It's as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.
>
> > 1. ctrl-alt-del
> > 3. click application process
> > 4. click "end now"
>
> > 2. click application
> > 3. click "Force quit"
>
It takes one hold-click on Dock. By the way, Sandman forgot 4. click
"Force Quit". opt.-#3 doesn't work. What's right click?
-Aut
Snit
547ee252-381f-4460...@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com on 9/19/09
7:33 PM:
You do not know how to right-click? What?
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Dan Johnson
>> for
>> performance". It assumes USB drives should, by default, be "optimized for
>> quick removal", and this means it does not whine about them.
>
> Why have the option to remove it in the UI at all?
Um, er, ah....
Consistency!
Yeah, that's it!
[snip]
>> Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. Or not; can they not just run XP itself
>> in
>> virtualization alongside? Or Windows 3.1?
>
> If they had a spare copy of XP and did not have to run it just to get one
> small program... sure.
Yeah, that's a problem with virtualization.
Of course, a Real Mac Fan would be thrilled with these sorts of problems:
loss of backwards compatibility is, after all, a good thing when Apple does
it! :D
[snip]
>> Well, it's Unix. But I am not sure that actually requires this behavior-
>> Mach
>> was originally a microkernel, and you would run all this stuff in
>> separate
>> processes. There'd be hardly anything in the kernel to hang in the first
>> place.
>>
>> OTOH, Apple didn't do that.
>
> I shall not pretend to understand all the details about the benefits of
> different kernel architectures. :)
You needn't be. Everyone has settled on the same kernel design: a monolithic
kernel with loadable modules. There's not a lot to argue about left there.
Snit
9/20/09 4:17 AM:
> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C6DA3861.48A29%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Dan Johnson stated in post ueSdnTazcebSIinX...@supernews.com
>> on
>> 9/19/09 4:23 AM:
>>> Windows will indeed suggest this, but only for drives that are "optimized
>>> for
>>> performance". It assumes USB drives should, by default, be "optimized for
>>> quick removal", and this means it does not whine about them.
>>
>> Why have the option to remove it in the UI at all?
>
> Um, er, ah....
>
> Consistency!
>
> Yeah, that's it!
Um... what?
> [snip]
>>> Ah. Yes, that would be a problem. Or not; can they not just run XP itself in
>>> virtualization alongside? Or Windows 3.1?
>>>
>> If they had a spare copy of XP and did not have to run it just to get one
>> small program... sure.
>>
> Yeah, that's a problem with virtualization.
>
> Of course, a Real Mac Fan would be thrilled with these sorts of problems: loss
> of backwards compatibility is, after all, a good thing when Apple does it! :D
Hey, I am on record as saying I miss Classic.
> [snip]
>>> Well, it's Unix. But I am not sure that actually requires this behavior-
>>> Mach was originally a microkernel, and you would run all this stuff in
>>> separate processes. There'd be hardly anything in the kernel to hang in the
>>> first place.
>>>
>>> OTOH, Apple didn't do that.
>>>
>> I shall not pretend to understand all the details about the benefits of
>> different kernel architectures. :)
>>
> You needn't be. Everyone has settled on the same kernel design: a monolithic
> kernel with loadable modules. There's not a lot to argue about left there.
When has that stopped people in CSMA?
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Snit
9/17/09 1:46 PM:
>> 3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder - Before I start, I understand the
>> motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using
>> drag an drop. But when I'm moving a file from one folder nested in
>> Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all
>> the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and
>> Drop isn't the best option. Even if it isn't called cut and paste (I'm aware
>> of the problem with the name scheme), call it "Sticky Move" or "Smart Move"
>> or something. Just include it.
>
> This works in Snow Leopard at least.
Nope. No version of OS X has ever had such a feature.
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Wally
C707CFCE.4FF34%use...@gallopinginsanity.com, "Snit"
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Note... Snit openly admits that whilst using OS X he has never found a
feature that would allow him to relocate a file from one location to another
without resorting to drag/drop!
There definitely seems a good case for a refund to the people that he has
claimed to have taught OS X to!
Snit
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbf931d35e43e667>
Sandman was wrong. Oh well.
--
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Tim Adams
wrote:
yet he claims your 'making it up' when you point this simple fact out to him in
other threads. poor ignorant snit.
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
Snit
teadams$2$0$0$3-E4D118.10...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
10/24/09 7:25 AM:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7964cea45ce63d54>
--
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Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
A link going to a post by you proves NOTHING, except your inability to support
your claim and proving Wally correct.
Snit
10/25/09 5:44 AM:
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7964cea45ce63d54>
>
> A link going to a post by you proves NOTHING, except your inability to support
> your claim and proving Wally correct.
Thank you for admitting you do not understand the proof in that link.
--
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Snit
Wally, Tim Adams and Steve Carroll are busy contradicting each other and
tripping over each other as they run from that... and I have been having fun
replying.
Soon they will whine about how many posts I have made in response to their
claims which are clearly contradictory to truth. All my fault for
responding to their BS... they will take *no* responsibility for their BS
itself... wait for it.
Not like they are not 100% predictable. :)
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Steve Carroll
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7964cea45ce6...>
>
> Wally, Tim Adams and Steve Carroll are busy contradicting each other and
> tripping over each other as they run from that...
There's no contradiction... just multiple examples that all prove your
broad error to be an error.
Sandman:
"This works in Snow Leopard at least."
"But there is no such feature in Snow Leopard - or any other version
of OS X.
Sandman was wrong." - Snit
Not only does Sandman not say that the feature is "in Snow Leopard"
here (like you are trying to pretend) but your false claim that he was
"wrong" underscores your limited knowledge of what you claim to have a
business based on. That you were unaware (at least, until I pointed
them out) 3rd party apps enable file cut and paste to 'work in' Snow
Leopard is pretty funny;)
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is clearly
disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much just throw it
away". - Snit
I know I'm going to hire Snit for all my computing needs... LOL!
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Once again snit, a post made by snit, a person that has been proven to alter
quotes and forge documents offer no proof for your claim.
Snit
10/25/09 3:56 PM:
> In article <C709A3C0.501FE%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim Adams stated in post
>> teadams$2$0$0$3-7A1E81.08...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
>> 10/25/09 5:44 AM:
>>
>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7964cea45ce63d54>
>>>
>>> A link going to a post by you proves NOTHING, except your inability to
>>> support
>>> your claim and proving Wally correct.
>>
>> Thank you for admitting you do not understand the proof in that link.
>
>
> Once again snit, a post made by snit, a person that has been proven to alter
> quotes and forge documents offer no proof for your claim.
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6fe69d7b1c47143f>
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Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Tim Adams stated in post
> teadams$2$0$0$3-D5C80B.18...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
> 10/25/09 3:56 PM:
>
> > In article <C709A3C0.501FE%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> > Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tim Adams stated in post
> >> teadams$2$0$0$3-7A1E81.08...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
> >> 10/25/09 5:44 AM:
> >>
> >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7964cea45ce63d5
> >>>> 4>
> >>>
> >>> A link going to a post by you proves NOTHING, except your inability to
> >>> support
> >>> your claim and proving Wally correct.
> >>
> >> Thank you for admitting you do not understand the proof in that link.
> >
> >
> > Once again snit, a post made by snit, a person that has been proven to
> > alter
> > quotes and forge documents offer no proof for your claim.
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6fe69d7b1c47143f>
a post by snit, a person that has been proven to alter quotes, forge documents
and lie isn't any sort of support for your claim snit.