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Hi Linda

I have checked all my indexes to Ayrshire maps and Places and there is no mention of an OMGBANK

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Graham
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    Linda Brown <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk> May 11 05:44PM +0100  

    Hi Kent,
     
    I seem to be having problems posting to the site so I'm trying again -3rd time lucky !!
     
    I have found your great grandfather Archibald Black born 17th July 1863 at New Cumnock in Ayrshire. He appears to be on  the 1871 Census at Dalmellington and the 1881 Census at Sorn (both in Ayrshire). Perhaps his family were miners moving from place to place where they could find work?
    Still have no idea about the "Omgbank" location. Could be an area in one of these towns or a building .
     
    Kind Regards,
    Linda
     
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    Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 16:43
    Subject: Re: [Ayrshire History] Finding Omgbank

     
     
    Hello Kent,i have just sent to Amazon   for a book of medieval roads,pathways and settlements ,if it's there i'll let you know.
    Shirley 
     
    Sent from my iPad
     
    On 11/05/2013, at 4:58 AM, Kent Higgins <revkent...@gmail.com> wrote:
     
     
    My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.
    > 
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    Kent Higgins <revkent...@gmail.com> May 11 11:59AM -0700  

    My thanks to all of you who have assisted. I have heard from Linda Brown
    in the UK that my dates were wrong! My great-grandfather was born in 1863,
    not 1865, in New Cumnock, Ayrshire.

    Now I have a destination in mind for our coming trip. Peace to you all.

    Kent+
     
    On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:58:25 PM UTC-4, Kent Higgins wrote:
     

     

    lindaj <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk> May 11 09:05AM -0700  

    Hi Kent,
    Hope this post works! Have tried to post info already but it has not
    appeared?!
    Found your great grandfather - Archibald Black born 17th July *1863 *at New
    Cumnock, Ayrshire to parents James Black and Agnes McLachlan.
    Looks like he could be on 1871 Census living at Dalmellington and on the
    1881 Census at Sorn (both in Ayrshire). Could be his family were miners and
    moved around according to where they could find work.
    The "Omgbank" location is still a puzzle maybe an area or a building's name
    at one of those towns.
     
    Kind Regards Linda
     
    On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:58:25 PM UTC+1, Kent Higgins wrote:

     

    BRIAN THOM <brianth...@virgin.net> May 11 04:09PM +0100  

    Good afternoon everyone - this problem illustrates the weakness of
    handwritten records - All the comments I have seen to date are valid but
    the location Unthank is also a possibility. Wikipedia shows Angus,
    Dumfries, Lanarkshire and Moray. Any of these could be relevant - if we
    had occupational details of any parties it might give a clue about
    migration within Scotland.
     
    Hope this helps
     
    Brian
     
     

     

    lindaj <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk> May 11 04:50AM -0700  

    Hi again,
    Looks like his family moved around a bit (probably miners looking for
    work?). He appears to be on 1871 Census at Dalmellington, Ayrshire and the
    1881 Census he is at Sorn. All these places are in Ayrshire.
    Linda
     
    On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:58:25 PM UTC+1, Kent Higgins wrote:

     

    "traceys...@sky.com" <traceys...@sky.com> May 11 11:50AM +0100  

    Hi there I had a quick search and your great grandfathers birth certificate reads Archibald Black, born 17th July 1863 at 3hrs 15. Born in an area called Craigbank(a miners row of small houses) in New Cumnock (which was a coal mining village). Born to parents James Black & Agnes McClachlan married 18th June 1858, New Cumnock. If you google Craigbank, New Cumnock you should be able to find out some information.  Hope this helps. Tracey

     
    ________________________________
    From: Kent Higgins <revkent...@gmail.com>
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    Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 19:58
    Subject: [Ayrshire History] Finding Omgbank

     
     
    My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.
     
    Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
     
    Kent Higgins+
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    lindaj <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk> May 11 04:41AM -0700  

    Hi Kent,
     
    Had a further look! Found your great grandfather born 17th July *1863 *at
    New Cumnock. His parents are James Black and Agnes Mclachlan,
     
    Linda
     
    On Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:36:51 PM UTC+1, happymanoftheworld wrote:

     

    "traceys...@sky.com" <traceys...@sky.com> May 11 12:40PM +0100  

    Kent just another small point for future reference, I see your great grandfather put on his passport application that he emigrated in 1874 and lived in the USA unbroken until 1880.  Many people had to lie to be able to obtain a passport, your great grandfathers parents and siblings were very much still living in Ayrshire and between 1874 and 1880 Archibald had siblings born in Ayrshire, I would find it highly unlikely your great grandfather lived in USA age 11 without his parents but I suppose anything is possible, maybe he went to America and lived with family and then came back. I have found Archibald travelling on the ship Furnessia with his mother Agnes and siblings to New York arriving 28th Dec 1881, his father James probably went out before that date to sort things out for the family before they all went over, and I see Archibald was naturalized in 1884.  Anything else you need help with just ask.  Regards Tracey

     
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    Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 11:50
    Subject: Re: [Ayrshire History] Finding Omgbank

     
     
    Hi there I had a quick search and your great grandfathers birth certificate reads Archibald Black, born 17th July 1863 at 3hrs 15. Born in an area called Craigbank(a miners row of small houses) in New Cumnock (which was a coal mining village). Born to parents James Black & Agnes McClachlan married 18th June 1858, New Cumnock. If you google Craigbank, New Cumnock you should be able to find out some information.  Hope this helps. Tracey

     
    ________________________________
    From: Kent Higgins <revkent...@gmail.com>
    To: ayrshir...@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 19:58
    Subject: [Ayrshire History] Finding Omgbank

     
     
    My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.
     
    Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
     
    Kent Higgins+
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    davyt...@talktalk.net May 12 09:17AM -0400  

    I dont think there is such a place as Omgbank. Its more likely to be Annbank and possibly someone has written this as a joke meaning "Oh my god" bank! as most of the villages I know are open to slagging from especially bigger towns but its all done in good taste. David
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: lindaj <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk>
    To: ayrshir...@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Sun, 12 May 2013 9:11
    Subject: [Ayrshire History] Re: Finding Omgbank
     
     
    Hi Kent,
    Hope this post works! Have tried to post info already but it has not appeared?!
    Found your great grandfather - Archibald Black born 17th July 1863 at New Cumnock, Ayrshire to parents James Black and Agnes McLachlan.
    Looks like he could be on 1871 Census living at Dalmellington and on the 1881 Census at Sorn (both in Ayrshire). Could be his family were miners and moved around according to where they could find work.
    The "Omgbank" location is still a puzzle maybe an area or a building's name at one of those towns.
     
     
    Kind Regards Linda
     
    On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:58:25 PM UTC+1, Kent Higgins wrote:
    My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated. His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank." I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.

    Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

    Kent Higgins+
    The Rev. Kent Higgins, Charleston, WV USA
     
     
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    happymanoftheworld <stuartb...@hotmail.com> May 12 07:29AM -0700  

    Hi all - With the greatest of respect to all, if you read the post by
    myself about 8 posts backwards an awful lot of cyberspace (and reading)
    would be saved. The birth IS showing as 17th July 1865 in the IGI and it IS
    shown as Craigbank. So please Kent don't go down dead-ends. I posted this
    at about 2-00 this morning and was curious to find other suggestions that
    you might be wrong about the birthdate and other interpretations of
    "Omgbank" -

    Now Kent - if it helps, go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put New Cumnock into
    the search box. Ignore the map which opens and look at panel on right of
    page. Click on the second one down - which is dated 1860 - 5 years prior to
    the birth, enlarge by clicking once on the map and scroll to the extreme
    bottom left of map. ---- Craigbank. Strangely, my dad was born about half a
    mile nearer New Cumnock on the same road.... a place called The Legate....
    and a few years later moved half a mile the other side of Craigbank to
    Burnfoot.

    Very best of luck..... there is not much left of Craigbank but I think
    there is a war memorial.

    Stuart
    On Friday, 10 May 2013 11:58:25 UTC-7, Kent Higgins wrote:
     

     

    Tracey Struthers <traceys...@sky.com> May 12 02:32PM +0100  

    Davy Torbit the mystery has been solved, it is Craigbank in New Cumnock. When reading the document of Kent's great grandfathers passport application it does look like Omgbank. Hopefully Kent will be able to tack down distant relatives still in New Cumnock, I'm sure if Kent drops a line to the Cumnock Cronicle local paper, some people will come forward.
     
    Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc S
     

     

    Tracey Struthers <traceys...@sky.com> May 12 05:39PM +0100  

    Stuart please remember the IGI is notorious for being wrong, it has my x4 grt grandfather dead before the 1841 census, he lived till 1898. Kent's grandfathers birth is registered on his birth certificate 17th July 1863 along with two other births in 1863, the certificate doesn't even remotely look like a 5 it definitely reads 1863 not 1865. Tracey
     
    Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc S
     

     

    Linda Brown <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk> May 12 04:22PM +0100  

    Hi Stuart,
     
    With the greatest respect to you, the posts which have appeared today on the Ayrshire Google Websites made by myself were in fact posted early afternoon on Saturday. For some unknown reason my posts were not appearing on the site whilst other peoples were. I then emailed Kent direct with all the info I had found as I presumed (wrongly as it now seems) that my emails were not being received by the site. I have no clue as to why it took nearly 24 hours for my posts to be shown!!
     
    As for the birthdate of Mr Archibald Black, I also checked Familysearch IGI's and Scotland's People. In both cases the date of birth appears as 17th July 1863. 
     
    It would appear that the unfortunate delay in messages appearing on site has caused a few of us to be researching and posting similar or different. 
     
    But at least Kent has the correct info of date of birth and location of Craigbank now.
     
    Regards,
    Linda B
     
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: happymanoftheworld <stuartb...@hotmail.com>
    To: ayrshir...@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 15:29
    Subject: [Ayrshire History] Re: Finding Omgbank

     
     
    Hi all -  With the greatest of respect to all, if you read the post by myself about 8 posts backwards an awful lot of cyberspace (and reading) would be saved. The birth IS showing as 17th July 1865 in the IGI and it IS shown as  Craigbank. So please Kent don't go down dead-ends. I posted this at about 2-00 this morning and was curious to find other suggestions that you might be wrong about the birthdate and other interpretations of "Omgbank" -
     
    Now Kent - if it helps, go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put New Cumnock into the search box. Ignore the map which opens and look at panel on right of page. Click on the second one down - which is dated 1860 - 5 years prior to the birth, enlarge by clicking once on the map and scroll to the extreme bottom left of map. ---- Craigbank. Strangely, my dad was born about half a mile nearer New Cumnock on the same road.... a place called The Legate.... and  a few years later moved half a mile the other side of Craigbank to Burnfoot.
     
    Very best of luck..... there is not much left of Craigbank but I think there is a war memorial.
     
    Stuart
    On Friday, 10 May 2013 11:58:25 UTC-7, Kent Higgins wrote:
    My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.
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    William Thomson <wthom...@yahoo.co.uk> May 12 05:31PM +0100  

    i've got a question, i;m assuming i am getting all these emails because i recently signed into s1 auchinleck, i did so in order to ask a question of the contributors like yourselves, where is the tab which says "ask a question"?
     
     
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    Subject: [Ayrshire History] Re: Finding Omgbank

     
     
    Hi all -  With the greatest of respect to all, if you read the post by myself about 8 posts backwards an awful lot of cyberspace (and reading) would be saved. The birth IS showing as 17th July 1865 in the IGI and it IS shown as  Craigbank. So please Kent don't go down dead-ends. I posted this at about 2-00 this morning and was curious to find other suggestions that you might be wrong about the birthdate and other interpretations of "Omgbank" -
     
    Now Kent - if it helps, go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put New Cumnock into the search box. Ignore the map which opens and look at panel on right of page. Click on the second one down - which is dated 1860 - 5 years prior to the birth, enlarge by clicking once on the map and scroll to the extreme bottom left of map. ---- Craigbank. Strangely, my dad was born about half a mile nearer New Cumnock on the same road.... a place called The Legate.... and  a few years later moved half a mile the other side of Craigbank to Burnfoot.
     
    Very best of luck..... there is not much left of Craigbank but I think there is a war memorial.
     
    Stuart
    On Friday, 10 May 2013 11:58:25 UTC-7, Kent Higgins wrote:
    My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.
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