Re: [Ayrshire History] Finding Omgbank

[Hugo Donnachie]

Omgbank. could be Onthank, Kilmarnock?

On 10 May 2013 20:58, Kent Higgins <revkent...@gmail.com> wrote:

My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kent Higgins+

The Rev. Kent Higgins, Charleston, WV USA

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[Linda Brown]

Hi there,

It looks like there were 3 Archibald Blacks (none with middle name Lawrence) born in Scotland during 1865. One in Calton district of Glasgow, one in Central district of Glasgow and lastly one in St Ninians district of Stirling. Unfortunately none had the date of birth you have given. The closest was the birth of the Archibald in Central District of Glasgow who was born on the 28th June 1865. Could your date of July 17th be a christening?

Sorry  but I don't know where "Omgbank" relates to. Can I ask where you have found this recorded? And lastly ,do you know, did your Great Grandfather emigrate as a child or an adult ?

I only ask because I think the Archibald I referred to above travelled to New York as a 2 year old.

If I can be of further help I will try my best!

Kind Regards and good luck with your research.

Linda

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[happymanoftheworld]

Hi Kent ----- could the Omgbank be Annbank in Ayrshire?

Best regards

Stuart

[Bigpond.com]

Hello Kent,i have just sent to Amazon   for a book of medieval roads,pathways and settlements ,if it's there i'll let you know.

Shirley 

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On 11/05/2013, at 4:58 AM, Kent Higgins <revkent...@gmail.com> wrote:

My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kent Higgins+

The Rev. Kent Higgins, Charleston, WV USA

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[stuart brown]

Hi Kent - mystery solved - check IGI www.familysearch.org. Put in Archibald Black dates between 1864 and 1866 and click on births.  Sixth one down - Archibald Lawrence Black 17 July 1865
Died 21 August 1929....... birth place Craigbank, Ayr.
HOWEVER Ayr was the main town but I think you will find that the Craigbank you seek is close to the  wonderful village of New Cumnock (my dad's birthplace in 1920) If you go to http://www.ayrshirehistory.org.uk/Bibliography/monos/amr4.htm and scroll down to Craigbank you will find a description of it in 1913 - no wonder Archibald left!!!!! There is a good possibility that there are Blacks left in the area who were related. Suggest you visit NewCumnock Now and Then www.newcumnock.net which is just being rebuilt. Another excellent resource with message board for that area.
 
At least that solves the first part - i.e.  omgbank ----- possibly someone went there and said OMG!!! (Ho-ho!)
 
I do add the caveat that there might be another Craigbank in the Ayr area = perhaps more learned contributors than I will let you know.

Best regards and very good luck
 
Stuart Brown
 
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Subject: Re: [Ayrshire History] Finding Omgbank
From: shirley...@bigpond.com
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 01:43:06 +1000
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[Linda Brown]

Hi Kent,

I seem to be having problems posting to the site so I'm trying again -3rd time lucky !!

I have found your great grandfather Archibald Black born 17th July 1863 at New Cumnock in Ayrshire. He appears to be on  the 1871 Census at Dalmellington and the 1881 Census at Sorn (both in Ayrshire). Perhaps his family were miners moving from place to place where they could find work?

Still have no idea about the "Omgbank" location. Could be an area in one of these towns or a building .

Kind Regards,

Linda

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[BRIAN THOM]

Good afternoon everyone - this problem illustrates the weakness of handwritten records - All the comments I have seen to date are valid but the location Unthank is also a possibility.  Wikipedia shows Angus, Dumfries, Lanarkshire and Moray.  Any of these could be relevant - if we had occupational details of any parties it might give a clue about migration within Scotland.

Hope this helps

Brian

[traceys...@sky.com]

Hi there I had a quick search and your great grandfathers birth certificate reads Archibald Black, born 17th July 1863 at 3hrs 15. Born in an area called Craigbank(a miners row of small houses) in New Cumnock (which was a coal mining village). Born to parents James Black & Agnes McClachlan married 18th June 1858, New Cumnock. If you google Craigbank, New Cumnock you should be able to find out some information.  Hope this helps. Tracey

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[traceys...@sky.com]

Kent just another small point for future reference, I see your great grandfather put on his passport application that he emigrated in 1874 and lived in the USA unbroken until 1880.  Many people had to lie to be able to obtain a passport, your great grandfathers parents and siblings were very much still living in Ayrshire and between 1874 and 1880 Archibald had siblings born in Ayrshire, I would find it highly unlikely your great grandfather lived in USA age 11 without his parents but I suppose anything is possible, maybe he went to America and lived with family and then came back. I have found Archibald travelling on the ship Furnessia with his mother Agnes and siblings to New York arriving 28th Dec 1881, his father James probably went out before that date to sort things out for the family before they all went over, and I see Archibald was naturalized in 1884.  Anything else you need help with just ask.  Regards Tracey

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[davyt...@talktalk.net]

I dont think there is such a place as Omgbank. Its more likely to be Annbank and possibly someone has written this as a joke meaning "Oh my god" bank! as most of the villages I know are open to slagging from especially bigger towns but its all done in good taste. David

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Hi Kent,

Hope this post works! Have tried to post info already but it has not appeared?!

Found your great grandfather - Archibald Black born 17th July 1863 at New Cumnock, Ayrshire to parents James Black and Agnes McLachlan.

Looks like he could be on 1871 Census living at Dalmellington and on the 1881 Census at Sorn (both in Ayrshire). Could be his family were miners and moved around according to where they could find work.

The "Omgbank" location is still a puzzle maybe an area or a building's name at one of those towns.

Kind Regards Linda

On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:58:25 PM UTC+1, Kent Higgins wrote:

My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kent Higgins+

The Rev. Kent Higgins, Charleston, WV USA

[happymanoftheworld]

Hi all -  With the greatest of respect to all, if you read the post by myself about 8 posts backwards an awful lot of cyberspace (and reading) would be saved. The birth IS showing as 17th July 1865 in the IGI and it IS shown as  Craigbank. So please Kent don't go down dead-ends. I posted this at about 2-00 this morning and was curious to find other suggestions that you might be wrong about the birthdate and other interpretations of "Omgbank" -

 

Now Kent - if it helps, go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put New Cumnock into the search box. Ignore the map which opens and look at panel on right of page. Click on the second one down - which is dated 1860 - 5 years prior to the birth, enlarge by clicking once on the map and scroll to the extreme bottom left of map. ---- Craigbank. Strangely, my dad was born about half a mile nearer New Cumnock on the same road.... a place called The Legate.... and  a few years later moved half a mile the other side of Craigbank to Burnfoot.

 

Very best of luck..... there is not much left of Craigbank but I think there is a war memorial.

 

Stuart

On Friday, 10 May 2013 11:58:25 UTC-7, Kent Higgins wrote:

[Tracey Struthers]

Davy Torbit the mystery has been solved, it is Craigbank in New Cumnock. When reading the document of Kent's great grandfathers passport application it does look like Omgbank. Hopefully Kent will be able to tack down distant relatives still in New Cumnock, I'm sure if Kent drops a line to the Cumnock Cronicle local paper, some people will come forward.

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davyt...@talktalk.net wrote:

I dont think there is such a place as Omgbank. Its more likely to be Annbank and possibly someone has written this as a joke meaning "Oh my god" bank! as most of the villages I know are open to slagging from especially bigger towns but its all done in good taste. David

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Subject: [Ayrshire History] Re: Finding Omgbank

Hi Kent,

Hope this post works! Have tried to post info already but it has not appeared?!

Found your great grandfather - Archibald Black born 17th July 1863 at New Cumnock, Ayrshire to parents James Black and Agnes McLachlan.

Looks like he could be on 1871 Census living at Dalmellington and on the 1881 Census at Sorn (both in Ayrshire). Could be his family were miners and moved around according to where they could find work.

The "Omgbank" location is still a puzzle maybe an area or a building's name at one of those towns.

Kind Regards Linda

On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:58:25 PM UTC+1, Kent Higgins wrote:

My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kent Higgins+

The Rev. Kent Higgins, Charleston, WV USA

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[Tracey Struthers]

Stuart please remember the IGI is notorious for being wrong, it has my x4 grt grandfather dead before the 1841 census, he lived till 1898. Kent's grandfathers birth is registered on his birth certificate 17th July 1863 along with two other births in 1863, the certificate doesn't even remotely look like a 5 it definitely reads 1863 not 1865. Tracey

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happymanoftheworld <stuartb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi all -  With the greatest of respect to all, if you read the post by myself about 8 posts backwards an awful lot of cyberspace (and reading) would be saved. The birth IS showing as 17th July 1865 in the IGI and it IS shown as  Craigbank. So please Kent don't go down dead-ends. I posted this at about 2-00 this morning and was curious to find other suggestions that you might be wrong about the birthdate and other interpretations of "Omgbank" -

 

Now Kent - if it helps, go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put New Cumnock into the search box. Ignore the map which opens and look at panel on right of page. Click on the second one down - which is dated 1860 - 5 years prior to the birth, enlarge by clicking once on the map and scroll to the extreme bottom left of map. ---- Craigbank. Strangely, my dad was born about half a mile nearer New Cumnock on the same road.... a place called The Legate.... and  a few years later moved half a mile the other side of Craigbank to Burnfoot.

 

Very best of luck..... there is not much left of Craigbank but I think there is a war memorial.

 

Stuart

On Friday, 10 May 2013 11:58:25 UTC-7, Kent Higgins wrote:

[Linda Brown]

Hi Stuart,

With the greatest respect to you, the posts which have appeared today on the Ayrshire Google Websites made by myself were in fact posted early afternoon on Saturday. For some unknown reason my posts were not appearing on the site whilst other peoples were. I then emailed Kent direct with all the info I had found as I presumed (wrongly as it now seems) that my emails were not being received by the site. I have no clue as to why it took nearly 24 hours for my posts to be shown!!

As for the birthdate of Mr Archibald Black, I also checked Familysearch IGI's and Scotland's People. In both cases the date of birth appears as 17th July 1863. 

It would appear that the unfortunate delay in messages appearing on site has caused a few of us to be researching and posting similar or different. 

But at least Kent has the correct info of date of birth and location of Craigbank now.

Regards,

Linda B

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i've got a question, i;m assuming i am getting all these emails because i recently signed into s1 auchinleck, i did so in order to ask a question of the contributors like yourselves, where is the tab which says "ask a question"?

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[happymanoftheworld]

Oh dear ---- please everyone stop looking for OMGbank. Tracy, Linda and I resolved the issue ..... please look at previous posts and then my mailbox won't be as full. Have a great day all!

[Tracey Struthers]

Hi Linda, snap I have found the same, there is a great delay before the messages are showing, I actually found a few messages in my spam folder which is strange as I have most in my inbox. Regards Tracey

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Linda Brown <lindabr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Stuart,

With the greatest respect to you, the posts which have appeared today on the Ayrshire Google Websites made by myself were in fact posted early afternoon on Saturday. For some unknown reason my posts were not appearing on the site whilst other peoples were. I then emailed Kent direct with all the info I had found as I presumed (wrongly as it now seems) that my emails were not being received by the site. I have no clue as to why it took nearly 24 hours for my posts to be shown!!

As for the birthdate of Mr Archibald Black, I also checked Familysearch IGI's and Scotland's People. In both cases the date of birth appears as 17th July 1863. 

It would appear that the unfortunate delay in messages appearing on site has caused a few of us to be researching and posting similar or different. 

But at least Kent has the correct info of date of birth and location of Craigbank now.

Regards,

Linda B

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From: happymanoftheworld <stuartb...@hotmail.com>
To: ayrshir...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 15:29
Subject: [Ayrshire History] Re: Finding Omgbank

Hi all -  With the greatest of respect to all, if you read the post by myself about 8 posts backwards an awful lot of cyberspace (and reading) would be saved. The birth IS showing as 17th July 1865 in the IGI and it IS shown as  Craigbank. So please Kent don't go down dead-ends. I posted this at about 2-00 this morning and was curious to find other suggestions that you might be wrong about the birthdate and other interpretations of "Omgbank" -

 

Now Kent - if it helps, go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put New Cumnock into the search box. Ignore the map which opens and look at panel on right of page. Click on the second one down - which is dated 1860 - 5 years prior to the birth, enlarge by clicking once on the map and scroll to the extreme bottom left of map. ---- Craigbank. Strangely, my dad was born about half a mile nearer New Cumnock on the same road.... a place called The Legate.... and  a few years later moved half a mile the other side of Craigbank to Burnfoot.

 

Very best of luck..... there is not much left of Craigbank but I think there is a war memorial.

 

Stuart

On Friday, 10 May 2013 11:58:25 UTC-7, Kent Higgins wrote:

My wife and I will be in Scotland in September, and I would like to visit the town from which my great grandfather emigrated.  His name was Archibalk Lawrence Black and he was born 17 July 1865 in what my records show to be the town of "Omgbank."  I am, however, unable to find a reference to that town in any of the places I know to look.

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kent Higgins+

The Rev. Kent Higgins, Charleston, WV USA

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