Diabetes and Second Hand Smoking
Cougar
smoking. I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the diabetes
I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she just
refuses to stop. It's driving me nuts. Mom is enabling her (and sister is
55). Any great fact sheets for second hand smoking and diabetes, asthma
and/or elderly? I have been studying it tonight. I don't think she
understands the impact of harming others...I didn't when I smoked.
Kris
Alan S
I doubt that the effects on others will motivate her. If
anything will, it will be her own risk. Sorry if that sounds
harsh - but I suspect that it's true. I didn't deliberately
put my wife and kids in jeopardy for thirty years as a
smoker - but I still did it. I just didn't believe the
scare-stories from others.
When I quit, it was because I chose to. No-one else.
I re-posted this a couple of months back. maybe some of the
links will help you.
http://tinyurl.com/266f27
I first posted this a while back, but we've had a lot of
newbies and I notice smoking is being discussed again.
As an ex-heavily-addicted smoker, I know how hard it was to
give up. Usually, scare stories only provide partial help -
but I'll pass these on anyway. Because I don't want to hear
from anyone, anywhere, claiming that smokes aren't harmful
to a diabetic.
Just do a simple google scholar search on those two words
"smoking+diabetes". This is a small sample of the 51,000+
hits.
Just one small snippet among many:
"Particularly, survival of smokers with diabetes on
hemodialysis is abysmal."
A previous poster, Annette, added a lot more info on the
evil weed in her reply to the original post - you'll find
that at http://tinyurl.com/hdnml
For the sake of those who love you (even if that's only
you), quit.
Cheers, Alan
Just a few references:
Cigarette smoking and health. American Thoracic Society
http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/153/2/861
Cigarette smoking remains the primary cause of preventable
death and morbidity in the United States.
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Preventing cardiovascular events in patients with diabetes
mellitus.
Abraham WT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_...
Smoking is known to be particularly dangerous for those with
diabetes, and it is important for health care providers to
help their patients stop smoking.
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Effects of smoking on systemic and intrarenal hemodynamics:
influence on renal function.
http://jasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/1_suppl/S58
The mechanisms of smoking-induced renal damage are only
partly understood and comprise acute hemodynamic (e.g.,
increase in BP and presumably intraglomerular pressure) and
chronic effects (e.g., endothelial cell dysfunction). Renal
failure per se leads to an increased cardiovascular risk.
The latter is further aggravated by smoking. Particularly,
survival of smokers with diabetes on hemodialysis is
abysmal.
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Effects of cigarette smoking, diabetes, high cholesterol,
and hypertension on all-cause mortality and cardiovascular
disease mortality in Mexican Americans. The San Antonio
Heart Study
http://www.aje.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/144/11/1058
After adjustment for sex, age, and socioeconomic status in
multivariate analyses, current smoking, diabetes, high
cholesterol, and hypertension were positively associated
with all-cause mortality and cardiovascular disease
mortality in Mexican Americans. Overall, these risk factors
accounted for 45% of all-cause mortality and 55% of
cardiovascular disease mortality in this ethnic group.
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Smoking, diabetes and hyperlipidaemia.
http://rsh.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/118/2/91
Mikhailidis DP, Papadakis JA, Ganotakis ES.
Department of Chemical Pathology & Human Metabolism, Royal
Free Hospital & School of Medicine, Univ. of London, United
Kingdom.
The epidemiological evidence linking smoking with insulin
resistance is considerable. This evidence is even more
convincing because there is a dose response relationship
between smoking and the risk of non-insulin dependent
diabetes (NIDDM). Similarly, there is a time-dependent
decrease in risk of NIDDM for those who quit smoking.
Insulin resistance (in the form of impaired glucose
tolerance, IGT) may precede the development of NIDDM. There
is a biochemical basis for the smoking-IGT/NIDDM
relationship. Smoking increases the risk of developing
diabetic complications like nephropathy, neuropathy and
retinopathy Smoking is also an independent risk factor for
myocardial infarction and all-cause mortality in NIDDM.
Smokers are both insulin resistant and lipid intolerant.
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Smoking and diabetes
D Haire-Joshu, RE Glasgow and TL Tibbs
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/11/1887
There are consistent results from both cross-sectional and
prospective studies showing enhanced risk for micro- and
macrovascular disease, as well as premature mortality from
the combination of smoking and diabetes.
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Smoking is associated with progression of diabetic
nephropathy
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/17/2/126
RESULTS--Progression of nephropathy was less common in
nonsmokers (11%) than in smokers (53%) and patients who had
quit smoking (33%), P < 0.001. In a stepwise logistic
regression analysis, cigarette pack years, 24-h sodium
excretion, and GHb were independent predictive factors for
the progression of diabetic nephropathy.
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The Effects of a Smoking Cessation Intervention on 14.5-Year
Mortality
http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/142/4/233?maxtoshow=&HITS=...
or http://tinyurl.com/66oey
Intervention: The intervention was a 10-week smoking
cessation program that included a strong physician message
and 12 group sessions using behavior modification and
nicotine gum, plus either ipratropium or a placebo inhaler.
Results: At 5 years, 21.7% of special intervention
participants had stopped smoking since study entry compared
with 5.4% of usual care participants. After up to 14.5 years
of follow-up, 731 patients died: 33% of lung cancer, 22% of
cardiovascular disease, 7.8% of respiratory disease other
than cancer, and 2.3% of unknown causes. All-cause mortality
was significantly lower in the special intervention group
than in the usual care group (8.83 per 1000 person-years vs.
10.38 per 1000 person-years; P = 0.03). The hazard ratio for
mortality in the usual care group compared with the special
intervention group was 1.18 (95% CI, 1.02 to 1.37).
Differences in death rates for both lung cancer and
cardiovascular disease were greater when death rates were
analyzed by smoking habit.
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Getting to Goal in Type 2 Diabetes: Role of Postprandial
Glycemic Control
http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/3036_pnt
Slide 9. MRFIT: Impact of Diabetes on CVD Mortality
These are data from the Multiple Risk Factor Intervention
Trial (MRFIT) study, where people with and without diabetes
were classified as having: no risk factors at all, only 1
risk factor, 2 risk factors, or all 3 risk factors. Risk
factors were hypertension, hyperlipidemia, and smoking. For
any given number of risk factors, the chances of getting
cardiovascular disease are markedly increased in people with
type 2 diabetes. This increased risk is related to
hyperglycemia.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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"Cougar" <cougar_roc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Let her be.
Will, T2
<tro...@renotworthsaving.net> wrote:
>Smoking for some people is a serious addiction.
>
>Myself, I quit smoking after 22 years, the last half of that at 4
>packs a day. I quit the day before heart surgery.
I think drinking alcohol for some people is just as hard to beat as
addiction to nicotine in tobacco products.... Both forms of addiction
can really diminish one's overall quality of life.
Will, T2
Loretta Eisenberg
stepfather smoked like five packs a day in her presence until she got
lymphoma. It is never a good thing.
Since the word Cancer doesnt scare her into not smoking, what makes
you think Kris that any information you pass to her will do the trick.
All the health issues she has has not stopped her. Lung cancer is a
terrible way to die.
I am sorry for you. I am not sorry for your sister, She has choices.
I know she is addicted but there is always some kind of help to be
offered, even rehab I suppose.
Loretta
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
Sad to read about this.
> She won't stop smoking.
She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the diabetes
> I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she just
> refuses to stop.
Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
bad and not the craving (wanting) !
If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
possible that HE will.
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
W. Baker
: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:09:43 -0500, "Cougar"
: <cougar_roc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday. She won't stop
: >smoking. I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
: >to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the diabetes
: >I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she just
: >refuses to stop. It's driving me nuts. Mom is enabling her (and sister is
: >55). Any great fact sheets for second hand smoking and diabetes, asthma
: >and/or elderly? I have been studying it tonight. I don't think she
: >understands the impact of harming others...I didn't when I smoked.
: >Kris
: I doubt that the effects on others will motivate her. If
: anything will, it will be her own risk. Sorry if that sounds
: harsh - but I suspect that it's true. I didn't deliberately
: put my wife and kids in jeopardy for thirty years as a
: smoker - but I still did it. I just didn't believe the
: scare-stories from others.
: When I quit, it was because I chose to. No-one else.
: I re-posted this a couple of months back. maybe some of the
: links will help you.
i stoped smoking aobut 36 years ago in the middle of a newcast tht first
announced that second hand smoke harmed those round you. I wa, at the
time, the mother of 2 small boyss and a teenaged daughhter. I put down
the cigarette I was smokeing and never smoked agian. I had known that it
waw "bad fo rme," but I had brought these children into this world and
couldn' see harming them like that. It wasn't easy, but that served as my
motivaion.
Wendy
Paul L
Hi Kris .... there is nothing anyone can say to her that
will "make" her stop. It has to come from within herself.
I just got back from a week visiting my mom. She is 86 and
just went through open heart surgery one week ago today. After
being in that environment, I will say that if the experience of going
through open heart surgery is not enough to get your sister to quit,
then just give up as there is absolutely nothing you can do. There
are people that want to quit and just can't do it, and there are the
people that never even try ... those folks are the most frustrating
for the rest of us.
There is nothing to be gained by trying to "force" her to do anything.
Hopefully she will get the message when that hammer drops on her
chest Monday. Hope the surgery works out well for her.
Paul
rel...@router5.com
A few people may be able to set aside their cravings using religion as
a lever. A more general and reliable solution can be found in the
realms of clinical hypnosis. It seems absurd that a purported
cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
group.
Mary.
Rod
Why is that Mary ? Because you yourself and others like you demand
faith be exterminated, or simply becaue praying to someone unseen
indicates mental instability in your view ?
I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
weak willed person. So for you and the remainder of the professional
community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
What you, some in the medical communtiy, the professional communtiy,
and myself were to lame to do for me God did. So, in my view your
opinions of God come in weighing really weak and anemic.
Rod
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Wailing shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways,
Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as
are skilful of lamentation to wailing.
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into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
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very dark, and no brightness in it?
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your solemn assemblies.
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will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your
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Amo 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not
hear the melody of thy viols.
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wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
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images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amo 5:27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond
Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
rel...@router5.com
training would base a solution on the supernatural in a sci.med
group? You're kidding right ?
Because you yourself and others like you demand
> faith be exterminated, or simply becaue praying to someone unseen
> indicates mental instability in your view ?
Where on earth do you get such ideas ? I don't demand any such
thing. Mental instability is often indicated by people overlapping
unconnected thoughts in a manner that is not reflected in day to day
reality. Are you demonstrating it here ?
>
> I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
> ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
> raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
> remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
> for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
> never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
> sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
> weak willed person.
Good for you. Clinical hypnosis is not a crude application of will
power and it works without recourse to the supernatural.
> So for you and the remainder of the professional
> community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
A more scientific description is that calling upon a higher power to
override certain rules that you were following in your addiction is a
recognised psychological manouver. It does not constitute proof of a
Creator, at least not in a sci. group.
Many scientists and doctors believe in a variety of religions. Most
of them are courteous and disciplined enough not to bring their
religious views to scientific forums.
>
> What you, some in the medical communtiy, the professional communtiy,
> and myself were to lame to do for me God did. So, in my view your
> opinions of God come in weighing really weak and anemic.
>
> Rod
I did not express an opinion of God. You assumed one for me.
>
> --
snip off-topic (in sci.med groups) religious verbiage.
Mary.
THE END OF RELIGION IS NIGH!
science.
religion makes you stupid,and you and chunks are fine examples of the evil
that is religion.
we will and are stamping out this rediculous and dangerous belief.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Rod <kc0...@NO-SPAMatt.net> wrote:
> > neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
> >
> > >>> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
>
> > >> Sad to read about this.
> >
> > >>> She won't stop smoking.
>
> > >> She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
> >
> > >>> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> > >>> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the diabetes
> > >>> I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she just
> > >>> refuses to stop.
>
> > >> Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> > >> would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> > >> ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> > >> definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
> > >> bad and not the craving (wanting) !
> >
> > >> If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> > >> heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> > >> possible that HE will.
> >
> > >> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
> >
> > >>http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> >
> > > a lever.
GOD is not a religion nor can we use HIM.
HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
HE is the Author of all reality (including the alternate ones).
> > > A more general and reliable solution can be found in the
> > > realms of clinical hypnosis.
Clinical hypnosis only works when GOD allows for the change of heart.
> > > It seems absurd that a purported
> > > cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
> > > group.
Prayer is not a supernatural solution but rather a request made to
GOD, the Creator of heaven and earth.
> > > Mary.
> >
> > Why is that Mary ?
>
> Why do I find it absurd that someone with a supposed scientific
> training would base a solution on the supernatural in a sci.med
> group? You're kidding right ?
No. Many with scientific training recognize the existence of the soul
and GOD.
> > Because you yourself and others like you demand
> > faith be exterminated, or simply becaue praying to someone unseen
> > indicates mental instability in your view ?
>
> Where on earth do you get such ideas ? I don't demand any such
> thing. Mental instability is often indicated by people overlapping
> unconnected thoughts in a manner that is not reflected in day to day
> reality. Are you demonstrating it here ?
Matthew 7:1-2 comes to mind here.
> > I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
> > ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
> > raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
> > remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
> > for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
> > never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
> > sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
> > weak willed person.
>
> Good for you.
The praise and glory belongs to GOD, Who helped Rod quit smoking.
> Clinical hypnosis is not a crude application of will
> power and it works without recourse to the supernatural.
"The evidence for whether hypnosis yields outcomes superior to
placebos is mixed. In short, hypnosis cannot be considered a specific
and efficacious treatment for smoking cessation. Furthermore, in many
cases, it is impossible to rule out cognitive/behavioral and
educational interventions as the source of positive treatment gains
associated with hypnotic treatments. Hypnosis cannot, as yet, be
regarded as a well-established treatment for smoking cessation."
Source:
> > So for you and the remainder of the professional
> > community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
>
> A more scientific description is that calling upon a higher power to
> override certain rules that you were following in your addiction is a
> recognised psychological manouver. It does not constitute proof of a
> Creator, at least not in a sci. group.
Rod was not offering a proof of GOD but rather evidence that prayer to
GOD brings about a change.
> Many scientists and doctors believe in a variety of religions. Most
> of them are courteous and disciplined enough not to bring their
> religious views to scientific forums.
Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
risen LORD Jesus Christ.
Being openly Christian is no more an expression of religious views as
being openly American.
The brethren on LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
> > What you, some in the medical communtiy, the professional communtiy,
> > and myself were to lame to do for me God did. So, in my view your
> > opinions of God come in weighing really weak and anemic.
> >
> > Rod
>
> I did not express an opinion of God. You assumed one for me.
You expressed an opinion about HIS people which is tantamount to
expressing an opinion about HIM.
May you wisely choose to be forgiven GOD by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
rel...@router5.com
>
> HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>
> HE is the Author of all reality (including the alternate ones).
>
> > > > A more general and reliable solution can be found in the
> > > > realms of clinical hypnosis.
>
> Clinical hypnosis only works when GOD allows for the change of heart.
>
> > > > It seems absurd that a purported
> > > > cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
> > > > group.
>
> Prayer is not a supernatural solution but rather a request made to
> GOD, the Creator of heaven and earth.
solution.
>
> > > > Mary.
>
> > > Why is that Mary ?
>
> > Why do I find it absurd that someone with a supposed scientific
> > training would base a solution on the supernatural in a sci.med
> > group? You're kidding right ?
>
> No. Many with scientific training recognize the existence of the soul
> and GOD.
speculation about the supernatural from observation about the natural.
>
> > > Because you yourself and others like you demand
> > > faith be exterminated, or simply becaue praying to someone unseen
> > > indicates mental instability in your view ?
>
> > Where on earth do you get such ideas ? I don't demand any such
> > thing. Mental instability is often indicated by people overlapping
> > unconnected thoughts in a manner that is not reflected in day to day
> > reality. Are you demonstrating it here ?
>
> Matthew 7:1-2 comes to mind here.
scientific community to be an authoratative work scientific matters.
>
> > > I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
> > > ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
> > > raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
> > > remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
> > > for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
> > > never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
> > > sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
> > > weak willed person.
>
> > Good for you.
>
> The praise and glory belongs to GOD, Who helped Rod quit smoking.
>
> > Clinical hypnosis is not a crude application of will
> > power and it works without recourse to the supernatural.
>
> "The evidence for whether hypnosis yields outcomes superior to
> placebos is mixed. In short, hypnosis cannot be considered a specific
> and efficacious treatment for smoking cessation. Furthermore, in many
> cases, it is impossible to rule out cognitive/behavioral and
> educational interventions as the source of positive treatment gains
> associated with hypnotic treatments. Hypnosis cannot, as yet, be
> regarded as a well-established treatment for smoking cessation."
>
> Source:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2xyxx3
has either been shown to be a significant and useful tool.
A good clinical psychologist has the choice of including hypnosis in
his tool box.
>
> > > So for you and the remainder of the professional
> > > community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
>
> > A more scientific description is that calling upon a higher power to
> > override certain rules that you were following in your addiction is a
> > recognised psychological manouver. It does not constitute proof of a
> > Creator, at least not in a sci. group.
>
> Rod was not offering a proof of GOD but rather evidence that prayer to
> GOD brings about a change.
being will have low weighting in a scientific context. As long a the
person believes, prayer to a fire hydrant could have the same result.
That is, it is the beliefs entailed which resulted in the change.
There is no proof that the beliefs are valid.
>
> > Many scientists and doctors believe in a variety of religions. Most
> > of them are courteous and disciplined enough not to bring their
> > religious views to scientific forums.
>
> Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
> risen LORD Jesus Christ.
Many Christians are going to be surprised to find that Christianity is
not a religion.
>
> Being openly Christian is no more an expression of religious views as
> being openly American.
>
> The brethren on LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
> special...
>
> ... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
plain silly. Why not go the whole hog and bring in the other major
religions of the world into science discussion groups. All hail
Vishnu for finding a cure for dandruff should that be His will. While
you're at it lets check the Tibetan Book of the Dead to see if there's
a cure for M.S.
Sheesh!
>
> http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
>
> > > What you, some in the medical communtiy, the professional communtiy,
> > > and myself were to lame to do for me God did. So, in my view your
> > > opinions of God come in weighing really weak and anemic.
>
> > > Rod
>
> > I did not express an opinion of God. You assumed one for me.
>
> You expressed an opinion about HIS people which is tantamount to
> expressing an opinion about HIM.
You're just being silly. I expressed an opinion that speculating
about the supernatural in a sci group is absurd. I continue to assert
that it is. What is more, I say that attempts to persuade otherwise
are ill-founded and deceitful.
>
> May you wisely choose to be forgiven GOD by publicly declaring with
> your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
May you wisely choose to write about science in sci groups and the
lord in religious groups, though I suggest you use your hands unless
you want slobber on your keyboard.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Yuck! Have you visited this site ? The guy must be some kind of
nutcase!
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Er, best wishes to you too.
>
> Andrew <><
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
GOD made as a scientist.
> Prove your assertion.
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
> > HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>
> This is being read in a sci. group. Prove your assertion.
It is no more an assertion than any other observation would be an
assertion.
Observations are made and not proven.
The validity of an observation does not require proof.
> > HE is the Author of all reality (including the alternate ones).
>
> This is being read in a sci. group. Prove your assertion.
It is no more an assertion than any other observation would be an
assertion.
Observations are made and not proven.
The validity of an observation does not require proof.
> > > > > A more general and reliable solution can be found in the
> > > > > realms of clinical hypnosis.
> >
> > Clinical hypnosis only works when GOD allows for the change of heart.
>
> This is being read in a sci. group. Prove your assertion.
It is no more an assertion than any other observation would be an
assertion.
Observations are made and not proven.
The validity of an observation does not require proof.
> > > > > It seems absurd that a purported
> > > > > cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
> > > > > group.
> >
> > Prayer is not a supernatural solution but rather a request made to
> > GOD, the Creator of heaven and earth.
> Prayer to a supernatural creator is an attempt at a supernatural
> solution.
Incorrect.
> > > > > Mary.
> >
> > > > Why is that Mary ?
> >
> > > Why do I find it absurd that someone with a supposed scientific
> > > training would base a solution on the supernatural in a sci.med
> > > group? You're kidding right ?
> >
> > No. Many with scientific training recognize the existence of the soul
> > and GOD.
>
> Most with scientific training have the discernment to separate
> speculation about the supernatural from observation about the natural.
Those with discernment recognize that their gift is from GOD.
> > > > Because you yourself and others like you demand
> > > > faith be exterminated, or simply becaue praying to someone unseen
> > > > indicates mental instability in your view ?
> >
> > > Where on earth do you get such ideas ? I don't demand any such
> > > thing. Mental instability is often indicated by people overlapping
> > > unconnected thoughts in a manner that is not reflected in day to day
> > > reality. Are you demonstrating it here ?
> >
> > Matthew 7:1-2 comes to mind here.
>
> Not to my mind it doesn't. The bible is not considered by the
> scientific community to be an authoratative work scientific matters.
Those in the scientific community with discerning hearts know the
Bible to be truthful.
The purpose of science is to seek the truth.
> > > > I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
> > > > ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
> > > > raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
> > > > remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
> > > > for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
> > > > never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
> > > > sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
> > > > weak willed person.
> >
> > > Good for you.
> >
> > The praise and glory belongs to GOD, Who helped Rod quit smoking.
>
> Unsubstantiated assertion of a supreme being in a sci group noted.
No law prohibits scientists from giving credit to where credit is due.
> > > Clinical hypnosis is not a crude application of will
> > > power and it works without recourse to the supernatural.
> >
> > "The evidence for whether hypnosis yields outcomes superior to
> > placebos is mixed. In short, hypnosis cannot be considered a specific
> > and efficacious treatment for smoking cessation. Furthermore, in many
> > cases, it is impossible to rule out cognitive/behavioral and
> > educational interventions as the source of positive treatment gains
> > associated with hypnotic treatments. Hypnosis cannot, as yet, be
> > regarded as a well-established treatment for smoking cessation."
> >
> > Source:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2xyxx3
>
> A quick search of pubmed reveals a number of studies where hypnosis
> has either been shown to be a significant and useful tool.
> A good clinical psychologist has the choice of including hypnosis in
> his tool box.
In reality, folks are not getting hypnosis for smoking cessation
because it has not been clinically proven to be more efficacious than
placebo in helping folks quit.
> > > > So for you and the remainder of the professional
> > > > community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
> >
> > > A more scientific description is that calling upon a higher power to
> > > override certain rules that you were following in your addiction is a
> > > recognised psychological manouver. It does not constitute proof of a
> > > Creator, at least not in a sci. group.
> >
> > Rod was not offering a proof of GOD but rather evidence that prayer to
> > GOD brings about a change.
>
> Anecdotal evidence asserting the power of prayer to a supernatural
> being will have low weighting in a scientific context.
Case reports continue to be published in the medical field.
> As long a the
> person believes, prayer to a fire hydrant could have the same result.
Without the LORD, your belief is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> That is, it is the beliefs entailed which resulted in the change.
> There is no proof that the beliefs are valid.
Proof is not required for anything to be efficacious.
Instead, being efficacious is evidence amassing toward a proof, which
in reality never occurs for anything in science because of the
understanding that it only takes one exception to undermine a proof.
> > > Many scientists and doctors believe in a variety of religions. Most
> > > of them are courteous and disciplined enough not to bring their
> > > religious views to scientific forums.
> >
> > Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
> > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> Perhaps you know what you mean by this, but I doubt anyone else does.
Millions on this planet know that Christianity is a relationship with
a living GOD, Who is an active part of their lives.
> Many Christians are going to be surprised to find that Christianity is
> not a religion.
Those who are surprised are not Christians.
> > Being openly Christian is no more an expression of religious views as
> > being openly American.
> >
> > The brethren on LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
> > special...
> >
> > ... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
> >
> > http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
>
> These lunatic assertions of the supernatural in a sci. group are just
> plain silly. Why not go the whole hog and bring in the other major
> religions of the world into science discussion groups.
No one has kept them out. These usenet sci. groups remain
unmoderated.
> All hail
> Vishnu for finding a cure for dandruff should that be His will. While
> you're at it lets check the Tibetan Book of the Dead to see if there's
> a cure for M.S.
>
> Sheesh!
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
rel...@router5.com
they challenge you, then you are sick. From the rest of your post
you've either forgotten what it was to be a scientist or you never
were one. I'm going to ignore all the distractions you've tried to put
up and restate my original point. It is absurd that a purported
cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
group.
Mary
BessieBee
<cougar_roc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I don't think she understands the impact of harming others...I didn't when I smoked.
>Kris
All smokers know the impact of second hand smoke. We're just as
intelligent as non-smokers. We're just addicts. You can't make your
sister quit anymore than she could have made you quit before November.
I quit a 3 pack a day habit almost 3 years ago. Being smober felt so
damn good I wanted to make the rest of the world quit along with me.
It took awhile to learn that no matter how I expressed myself, no
matter how many times I expressed myself, there was absolutely nothing
I could say to another human being to make them quit smoking. There
was absolutely nothing anyone could tell me to make me quit before I
made that decision for myself.
I understand exactly how you feel. After having a massive coronary
and having 3 cardiac stents placed in Feb. of this year my husband
still smokes. After my recent diagnosis of emphysema he still smokes.
He, like most smokers, claims he "enjoys it." Truth is that little
white paper tube fill with poison is stronger than he is.
I hope your sister's surgery goes well and I hope the pain and
inconvenience of recovery will help her make the decision to put down
the stink sticks for good.
--
BessieBee
"If you want the rainbow, you got to put up with the rain"
Steven Wright
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> >
> If you're going to go around calling people "convicted" just because
> they challenge you, then you are sick.
Clearly you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit.
> From the rest of your post
> you've either forgotten what it was to be a scientist or you never
> were one.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Proof
> I'm going to ignore all the distractions you've tried to put
> up and restate my original point. It is absurd that a purported
> cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
> group.
Prayer is a petition to GOD for HIS help rather than a supernatural
solution.
Truth is simple.
David Wright
THE END OF RELIGION IS NIGH! <christa...@bigdick.org> wrote:
>your stupid,stone-age mythology has no place in reality-much less in
>science.
More Bronze Age, really.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"[Republicans] talk about Reagan the way gay guys talk about
Barbra Streisand." -- Bill Maher
spook chaser
I asked you a question, why do you find it absurd ? Have you ever
searched for God and His Presence, or is that also something science
ruled from the start as ridiculous ? This isn't sarcasm by the way, I'm
trying to uncover the ROOT of your bias.
>
> Because you yourself and others like you demand
>> faith be exterminated, or simply because praying to someone unseen
>> indicates mental instability in your view ?
> Where on earth do you get such ideas ? I don't demand any such
> thing. Mental instability is often indicated by people overlapping
> unconnected thoughts in a manner that is not reflected in day to day
> reality. Are you demonstrating it here ?
Not at all, it looks like a question to me. Can you answer honestly
without bring the known rules of science into this, or is that asking
to much of you to do some deep introspection of your personal values
based on what you see in the world verses what science dictates to you ?
>> I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
>> ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
>> raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
>> remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
>> for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
>> never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
>> sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
>> weak willed person.
> Good for you. Clinical hypnosis is not a crude application of will
> power and it works without recourse to the supernatural.
>
>> So for you and the remainder of the professional
>> community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
>
> A more scientific description is that calling upon a higher power to
> override certain rules that you were following in your addiction is a
> recognised psychological manouver. It does not constitute proof of a
> Creator, at least not in a sci. group.
And your answer above is not proof that the scientific conclusion
you stated above applies in every circumstance. You have not observed
me in this situation so your conclusion is impractical and invalid.
What would constitute proof of a creator in your eyes, and are you
certain that you would recognize it as proof ? After all, God is an
unknown factor thrown into the equation, how can a human know what
to expect of something that reaches beyond his senses ?
An electron cannot be seen with the naked eye, yet it's affects CAN
be seen. I see no scientists running around decrying the existence
of electrons, have you ?
If you answer these questions then we have a valid reason to discuss
this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
into file 13 as "cheap shots".
Rod
johnniemccoy@
<rel...@router5.com> wrote in message
news:1186592447....@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
word so many times that all I remember about the experience is the word
"cigarettes." I was so happy to get out of there so I could have a
cigarette.
John
johnniemccoy@
"Rod" <kc0...@NO-SPAMatt.net> wrote in message news:ljnui.2335
>
> What you, some in the medical communtiy, the professional communtiy,
> and myself were to lame to do for me God did. So, in my view your opinions
> of God come in weighing really weak and anemic.
>
> Rod
>
important.... irritating, but not important.
John
Notan
> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
>
> Sad to read about this.
>
>> She won't stop smoking.
>
> She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
>
>> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
>> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the diabetes
>> I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she just
>> refuses to stop.
>
> Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
> bad and not the craving (wanting) !
>
> If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> possible that HE will.
As much as you've accomplished, you don't seem to be able to discern
fact from opinion.
How do you explain people quitting, with a belief in any type of god?
--
Notan
Notan
That was supposed to be "WITHOUT a belief..."
--
Notan
rel...@router5.com
wrote:
> <rela...@router5.com> wrote in message
If I'd had your experience, I would have been glad to get out of there
too. Hypnotherapy isn't very well regulated. That's why I specified
clinical hypnosis. Taking someone into a hypnotic state is pretty
easy. It's what you do once they are in the state that makes the
difference.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> How do you explain people quitting, with a belief in any type of god?
GOD is able to help whomever HE chooses to help even when the whomever
does not believe in HIM.
HE is omnipotent.
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
rel...@router5.com
> this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> into file 13 as "cheap shots".
>
> Rod
I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
explain how the wheels fell of the chariots of Pharaoh's army:
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
rel...@router5.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
>
> > snip
>
> > > this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> > > into file 13 as "cheap shots".
>
> > > Rod
>
> > I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
> > has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
> > supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
> > fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
> > God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
>
> For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
> else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
> reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
>
> With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
> the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
> explain how the wheels fell of the chariots of Pharaoh's army:
You might be able to fool the rubes with this nonsense, but it won't
wash with me. It's not good theology,good philosophy, or good
science.
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/RedSea
If you believe this even after its been exposed as a fraud, then
you've really lost touch with reality.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
The repeated links to sites where you self-publicize do you no credit.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
Mary
Sanity's Little Helper
news:1186579957....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:
> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>>
>> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
>
> Sad to read about this.
>
>> She won't stop smoking.
>
> She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
>
>> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
>> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the
>> diabetes I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also,
>> but she just refuses to stop.
>
> Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
> bad and not the craving (wanting) !
>
> If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> possible that HE will.
>
No, it isn't. What is possible is that if she summons the willpower to
give up, dishonest shills for Jeebus like you will claim that's why she
did so.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"Jesus loves you - so I don't have to" - Torquemada
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> >
> > > snip
> >
> > > > this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> > > > into file 13 as "cheap shots".
> >
> > > > Rod
> >
> > > I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
> > > has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
> > > supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
> > > fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
> > > God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
> >
> > For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
> > else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
> > reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
> >
> > With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
> > the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
> > explain how the wheels fell of the chariots of Pharaoh's army:
>
> You might be able to fool the rubes with this nonsense, but it won't
> wash with me. It's not good theology,good philosophy, or good
> science.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > http://TruthRUS.org/RedSea
>
> If you believe this even after its been exposed as a fraud, then
> you've really lost touch with reality.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
>
> The repeated links to sites where you self-publicize do you no credit.
GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to receive credit.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly reveal that GOD's purpose for me here is being
realized.
May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
> >
> > Sad to read about this.
> >
> >> She won't stop smoking.
> >
> > She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
> >
> >> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> >> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the
> >> diabetes I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also,
> >> but she just refuses to stop.
> >
> > Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> > would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> > ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> > definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
> > bad and not the craving (wanting) !
> >
> > If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> > heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> > possible that HE will.
>
> No, it isn't.
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
--- Messiah Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
rel...@router5.com
I can understand that my beliefs might seem meaningless to you, but I
value them more than the foolishness that you want to promote. Let
anyone google 'Ron Wyatt Red Sea' and they'll soon find http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/
.
If you consider your purpose for being here is to promote scams, then
it's the devil rather than God who is directing you.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> >
> > > > > snip
> >
> > > > > > this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> > > > > > into file 13 as "cheap shots".
> >
> > > > > > Rod
> >
> > > > > I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
> > > > > has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
> > > > > supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
> > > > > fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
> > > > > God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
> >
> > > > For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
> > > > else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
> > > > reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
> >
> > > > With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
> > > > the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
> >
> > > You might be able to fool the rubes with this nonsense, but it won't
> > > wash with me. It's not good theology,good philosophy, or good
> > > science.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >
> > > >http://TruthRUS.org/RedSea
> >
> > > If you believe this even after its been exposed as a fraud, then
> > > you've really lost touch with reality.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >
> > > > Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
> >
> > > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
> >
> > > The repeated links to sites where you self-publicize do you no credit.
> >
> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to receive credit.
> >
> > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> > you to unwittingly reveal that GOD's purpose for me here is being
> > realized.
> >
> > May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> > than ever.
>
> value them more than the foolishness that you want to promote.
Without the LORD, what you value is also meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> Let
> anyone google 'Ron Wyatt Red Sea' and they'll soon find http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/
> .
>
> If you consider your purpose for being here is to promote scams, then
> it's the devil rather than God who is directing you.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly admit that you believe in the devil, who was
created by GOD as archangel Lucifer and became satan after unwisely
blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > convicted neighbor Mary (<rela...@router5.com>) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>
> > >> > ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
>
> > >> Sad to read about this.
>
> > >> > She won't stop smoking.
>
> > >> She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
>
> > >> > I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> > >> > to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the
> > >> > diabetes
> > >> > I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she
> > >> > just
> > >> > refuses to stop.
>
> > >> Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> > >> would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> > >> ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> > >> definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
> > >> bad and not the craving (wanting) !
>
> > >> If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> > >> heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> > >> possible that HE will.
>
> > >> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
> > >>http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
>
> > > a lever. A more general and reliable solution can be found in the
> > > realms of clinical hypnosis. It seems absurd that a purported
> > > cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
> > > group.
>
> > > Mary.
>
> > I tried hypnosis once. The therapist kept mentioning cigarettes. He said the
> > word so many times that all I remember about the experience is the word
> > "cigarettes." I was so happy to get out of there so I could have a
> > cigarette.
>
> > John
>
> If I'd had your experience, I would have been glad to get out of there
> too. Hypnotherapy isn't very well regulated. That's why I specified
> clinical hypnosis. Taking someone into a hypnotic state is pretty
> easy. It's what you do once they are in the state that makes the
> difference.
Without GOD's help, the clinician will simply not do the right thing.
GOD is the Source of all righteousness.
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
Notan
<religious rhetoric snipped>
What bothers me is that you took a space, in school, that someone
who could have made a difference could have had.
As an MD/PhD, make that *two* spaces.
--
Notan
Sanity's Little Helper
> convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
>> >
>> > Sad to read about this.
>> >
>> >> She won't stop smoking.
>> >
>> > She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
>> >
>> >> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
>> >> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the
>> >> diabetes I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2
also,
>> >> but she just refuses to stop.
>> >
>> > Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
>> > would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
>> > ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
>> > definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is
terribly
>> > bad and not the craving (wanting) !
>> >
>> > If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
>> > heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
>> > possible that HE will.
>>
>> No, it isn't. What is possible is that if she summons the willpower to
>> give up, dishonest shills for Jeebus like you will claim that's why >>
>> she did so.
<original point resurrected>
>
> "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> --- Messiah Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
Who stole your mind, Andy? Tell them you need it back so you don't have
to censor the arguments you are addressing.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama
Bin Laden
rel...@router5.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
>
> > > > snip
>
> > > > > this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> > > > > into file 13 as "cheap shots".
>
> > > > > Rod
>
> > > > I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
> > > > has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
> > > > supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
> > > > fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
> > > > God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
>
> > > For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
> > > else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
> > > reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
>
> > > With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
> > > the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
> > > explain how the wheels fell of the chariots of Pharaoh's army:
>
> > You might be able to fool the rubes with this nonsense, but it won't
> > wash with me. It's not good theology,good philosophy, or good
> > science.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
That's your opinion, and from your replies so far, your opinion is of
less and less interest to me. Especially when you promote scams like
the one below. I've been wondering how anyone who was interested in
maintaining a professional standing could stoop so low. The obvious
answer is that you have already written off your career and you're
simply engaged in silly power games on Usenet. I wish you could see
how small your posts make you look.
>
> > >http://TruthRUS.org/RedSea
>
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly reveal that GOD's purpose for me here is being
> realized.
If you're promoting Ron Wyatts Red Sea scam, you're doing the devils
work and serving the devil's purpose. That you cannot see that merely
proves my point.
>
> May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
When you do the devil's work and sign it in Jesus' love then you are
blaspheming. You've convicted yourself.
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> What bothers me is that you took a space, in school, that someone
> who could have made a difference could have had.
>
> As an MD/PhD, make that *two* spaces.
"Coveting is a sin." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
This simply shows that you are lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It remains my choice to continue standing by LORD Jesus Christ, Who
makes everyone beside HIM seem small :-)
> > > >http://TruthRUS.org/RedSea
> >
> > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> > you to unwittingly reveal that GOD's purpose for me here is being
> > realized.
>
> If you're promoting Ron Wyatts Red Sea scam, you're doing the devils
> work and serving the devil's purpose. That you cannot see that merely
> proves my point.
The Red Sea crossing is neither a scam nor does it belong to Ron
Wyatt.
It remains one of GOD's miracles.
Here's another one for those who are interested...
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
And another...
Your disbelief simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right
to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
> >> >
> >> > Sad to read about this.
> >> >
> >> >> She won't stop smoking.
> >> >
> >> > She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
> >> >
> >> >> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> >> >> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the
> >> >> diabetes I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2
> also,
> >> >> but she just refuses to stop.
> >> >
> >> > Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> >> > would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> >> > ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> >> > definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is
> terribly
> >> > bad and not the craving (wanting) !
> >> >
> >> > If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> >> > heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> >> > possible that HE will.
> >>
> >> No, it isn't.
> >
> > --- Messiah Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
> Who stole your mind, Andy?
No one.
A mind is required for recalling Scriptural verses and their locations
on the fly.
Truth is simple.
> Tell them you need it back so you don't have
> to censor the arguments you are addressing.
GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to argue.
Refraining from argument is not censorship.
Bottomline:
You are untruthful.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> >> > heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> >> > possible that HE will.
>
> >> No, it isn't.
>
> >"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> >--- Messiah Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
>
> and entering into the Kingdom of Heaven, not about changing some third
> party's habits.
Actually, the context is about how difficult it is for a rich man to
give up his wealth (or for anyone to give up what s/he falsely
believes s/he needs) to follow Jesus to go to heaven.
Begin Scripture reading (Matthew 19:23-26):
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is
easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of God."
When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked,
"Who then can be saved?"
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with
God all things are possible."
**end reading**
Amen.
> Another example of your constant overreaching and
> distorting what the Bible *actually* says and teaches.
Clearly, without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Sanity's Little Helper
news:1186683100.7...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com to
alt.atheism:
Dishonest snipping is.
>
> Bottomline:
>
> You are untruthful.
>
Bottom line: I have you bang to rights.
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Thanks, I shall wear it as a badge of honour.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
>
>> No, it isn't. What is possible is that if she summons the willpower to
>> give up, dishonest shills for Jeebus like you will claim that's why >>
>> she did so.
<original point resurrected>
You know that I am telling the truth, or you wouldn't keep dishonestly
snipping it.
You know what people are trying to say, or you wouldn't keep pretending you
don't understand it.
YOU DON'T WIN ARGUMENTS BY RUNNING AWAY FROM THEM.
Now, the point is: Prayer doesn't work, people like you are able to get
away with fooling themselves that it does because you ignore what doesn't
suit your beliefs, and jump up and down shouting "told you so" when the
normal distribution of probability accidentally yields the desired results.
You're supposed to be a doctor, and you claim to be a scientist. For
goodness' sake, what kind of doctor or scientist replaces honest debate
with superstitious babble? I believe somebody else asked you the same
question, and is still waiting for an answer. You aren't getting away with
it. That's a promise.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
Notan
<blabbering snipped>
Keep going, Andrew.
You're digging yourself in, deeper, with every post.
--
Notan
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Keep going, Andrew.
>
> You're digging yourself in, deeper, with every post.
Writing is not digging.
Bottomline:
You are untruthful.
This simple shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Father Haskell
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>
> > ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
>
> Sad to read about this.
>
> > She won't stop smoking.
>
> She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
The patch cures the cig habit, and lithium carbonate cures god-
bothering
religious zeal.
Notan
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d95ed47ba489702f?
>> Keep going, Andrew.
>>
>> You're digging yourself in, deeper, with every post.
>
> Writing is not digging.
>
> Bottomline:
>
> You are untruthful.
>
> This simple shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
You're a waste of perfectly good air, Andrew.
Or would you prefer to be called "doctor?"
--
Notan
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Notan wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d95ed47ba489702f?
>
> >> Keep going, Andrew.
> >>
> >> You're digging yourself in, deeper, with every post.
> >
> > Writing is not digging.
> >
> > Bottomline:
> >
> > You are untruthful.
> >
> > you:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
> >
>
> You're a waste of perfectly good air, Andrew.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> Or would you prefer to be called "doctor?"
GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to receive glory.
May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > A mind is required for recalling Scriptural verses and their locations
> > on the fly.
>
Or even to use a concordance :-)
> , which have been available for several centuries,
> and now even on line. Of course there is zero evidence you recall
> Scripture locations on the fly, and your own testimony doesn't count.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD then for HIS
compelling you to unwittingly give testimony here :-)
> >Truth is simple.
Indeed :-)
Notan
> convicted neighbor Notan wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> convicted neighbor Notan wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d95ed47ba489702f?
>>>> Keep going, Andrew.
>>>>
>>>> You're digging yourself in, deeper, with every post.
>>> Writing is not digging.
>>>
>>> Bottomline:
>>>
>>> You are untruthful.
>>>
>>> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
>>> you:
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>>>
>>> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>>>
>>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
>> You're a waste of perfectly good air, Andrew.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
>> Or would you prefer to be called "doctor?"
>
> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to receive glory.
>
> May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.
Your degrees mean nothing.
Underneath it all, you're nothing but a thumper, something that I'm
sure God isn't happy about.
Good luck. You're gonna need it.
--
Notan
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> distorting what the Bible *actually* says and teaches.
>
> >Clearly, without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> and I wrote: it was about entering heaven, not about curing tobacco
> addiction.
Incorrect. It remains about GOD being omnipotent. HE is just as able
to help folks by curing their tobacco addiction to save their bodies
just as HE is able to help rich folks part with their money to save
their souls.
> >This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> >you:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> This shows you have no concept of how God actually works.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Notan wrote:
>
> >> You're a waste of perfectly good air, Andrew.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >
> >> Or would you prefer to be called "doctor?"
> >
> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to receive glory.
> >
> > May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> > than ever.
>
> Your degrees mean nothing.
Your sour grapes simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right
in convicting you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Smiler
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1186683100.7...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Bloody hell, Andy!
That must be some really small writing to get all of the bible on a fly.
How do you keep it still long enough to read the bits you need?
Oh, I forgot. You don't read, you just C&P!
Smiler,
The godless one
Rev. BR Collins
> rela...@router5.com wrote:
> > On Aug 8, 2:32 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> >> neighbor Kris (Cougar) wrote:
>
> >>> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
> >> Sad to read about this.
>
> >>> She won't stop smoking.
> >> She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the cigarettes.
>
> >>> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> >>> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with the diabetes
> >>> I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister has T2 also, but she just
> >>> refuses to stop.
> >> Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that she
> >> would know in her heart what you know in your heart that craving
> >> ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you are
> >> definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is terribly
> >> bad and not the craving (wanting) !
>
> >> If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your sister's
> >> heart so that she can choose to quit smoking cigarettes, it is
> >> possible that HE will.
>
>
>
> >> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> >> Andrew <><
> >> --
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> Cardiologist
>
> > a lever. A more general and reliable solution can be found in the
> > realms of clinical hypnosis. It seems absurd that a purported
> > cardiologist would be promoting a supernatural solution in a sci.med
> > group.
>
> > Mary.
>
> faith be exterminated, or simply becaue praying to someone unseen
> indicates mental instability in your view ?
>
> I have some news for you Mary, I smoked 3 packs a day 15 years
> ago. I tried several things to quit and none did any good including
> raw will power. I finally gave up and prayed one morning for God to
> remove the desire for cigarettes from me. @0 minutes later the desire
> for a smoke lessened to nothing, I threw my cigarettes away and I've
> never had the desire again. Yoy don't wipe out cravings like that with
> sheer will power, I know this for fact because I tried it and I'm not a
> weak willed person. So for you and the remainder of the professional
> community that doubt the power of God, I'm the proof as are many others.
>
> What you, some in the medical communtiy, the professional communtiy,
> and myself were to lame to do for me God did. So, in my view your
> opinions of God come in weighing really weak and anemic.
>
> Rod
>
> --
Well look here, it's "Rod" trying to play "Christian". I've got some
news for you "Rod", you aren't a christian. You are a filthy reprobate
swine that will spend eternity with the devil and his company.
If it will make you feel any better, I'll be watching you......BURNING
IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a BLESSED Day,
Rev. BR Collins
Sanity's Little Helper
news:KPPui.12179$Db6....@newsfe3-win.ntli.net to alt.atheism:
C&P? Yes, he has in the past been compared to an incontinent puppy.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
rel...@router5.com
> > .
>
> > If you consider your purpose for being here is to promote scams, then
> > it's the devil rather than God who is directing you.
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly admit that you believe in the devil, who was
> created by GOD as archangel Lucifer and became satan after unwisely
> blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
>
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
Saying that the devil exists is not the same as worshipping the devil
as you clearly do. Over and over you post as if you were the father
of lies himself, you despicable little man. May God forgive you.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> as you clearly do.
Similar false charges were levelled against LORD Jesus Christ, Who
responded with the following words:
"A house divided against itself can not stand."
> Over and over you post as if you were the father
> of lies himself, you despicable little man.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
The same can not be written about you.
> May God forgive you.
HE has:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
...we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor Vicki B (percy) wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Mary (rel...@router5.com) wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> snip
> >>>>> this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> >>>>> into file 13 as "cheap shots".
> >>>>> Rod
> >>>> I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
> >>>> has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
> >>>> supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
> >>>> fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
> >>>> God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
> >>> For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
> >>> else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
> >>> reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
> >>>
> >>> With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
> >>> the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
> >>
> >> You might be able to fool the rubes with this nonsense, but it won't
> >> wash with me. It's not good theology,good philosophy, or good
> >> science.
> >> If you believe this even after its been exposed as a fraud, then
> >> you've really lost touch with reality.
> >>>
> >>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
> >> The repeated links to sites where you self-publicize do you no credit.
> >>
> >
> > 31 matches for "andrew chung".
> >
> > Dr. Andrew B Chung
> > Rookie Kook of the Year, 2006
> > Coward of the Year, 2006
> > Bardley Annual "Whining Baby New Year" Award, 2007
> > Kook of the Month, June 2006
> > Golden Killfile, November 2006
> > Victor von Frankenstein "Weird Science" Award, June 2006
> > Victor von Frankenstein "Weird Science" Award, February 2007
> > Looney Maroon Award, June 2006
> > Looney Maroon Award, August 2006
> > Looney Maroon Award, January 2007
> > Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, January 2007
> > George Pickett Memorial Trophy, January 2007
> > Coward of the Month, October 2006
> > Coward of the Month, November 2006
> > Coward of the Month, December 2006
> > Joseph Bartlo "Pathetic Anal Pineapple" Award, October 2006
> > Joseph Bartlo "Pathetic Anal Pineapple" Award, March 2007
> > Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, December 2006
> > Busted Urinal Award
> > Unabomber Surprise
> > Bolo Bullis Foam Duck #24
> > George Armstrong Custer "Kicked @$$" Award
> > Kluck Lysaght "Tar & Feathers" Award
> > Kenny McCormick Memorial Medal
> > Goofy Azzed Babboon
> > 72 Raisins "Crackpot Religion" Award
> > Fr00tcake, 2006
> > Edmond Wollmann Memorial Rubber Turkey Award, Easter Weekend 2006
> > Edmond Wollmann Memorial Rubber Turkey Award, Thanksgiving 2006
> > Edmond Wollmann Memorial Rubber Turkey Award, Easter Sunday 2007
> >
> > www.heartmdphd.com [Dr. Andrew B Chung]
> > Richbull.com Memorial Award for Kooksite of the Year, 2006
> >
> > You can also add the Tony Sidaway Drama Queen award for July, 2007.
> >
> > http://www.caballista.org/auk
>
> Ahhhhhh....but ridiculing someone makes you so much better,
> doesn't it ?
That was what the Pharisees believed when they mocked Jesus.
"When they hate you, remember they hated ME first." -- LORD Jesus
Christ
Amen.
Be healthy... be hungry... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
rel...@router5.com
false, charges of you emulating satan by writing blasphemies and lies
are supported by your own posts. I am comfortable in my relationship
with God, you are clearly twisted though I hope that even at this late
hour you are not beyond redemption. Continue blaspheming the Holy
Spirit and hell awaits you.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > > > > value them more than the foolishness that you want to promote.
> >
> > > > Without the LORD, what you value is also meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >
> > > > > Let
> > > > > anyone google 'Ron Wyatt Red Sea' and they'll soon findhttp://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > If you consider your purpose for being here is to promote scams, then
> > > > > it's the devil rather than God who is directing you.
> >
> > > > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> > > > you to unwittingly admit that you believe in the devil, who was
> > > > created by GOD as archangel Lucifer and became satan after unwisely
> > > > blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
> >
> > > > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > > > you:
> >
> > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > > Saying that the devil exists is not the same as worshipping the devil
> > > as you clearly do.
> >
> > Similar false charges were levelled against LORD Jesus Christ, Who
> >
> > "A house divided against itself can not stand."
Amen.
> > > Over and over you post as if you were the father
> > > of lies himself, you despicable little man.
>
> > It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> >
> > The same can not be written about you.
> >
> > > May God forgive you.
> >
> > HE has:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> >
> > The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect
> > nor more special...
> >
> > ...we are simply forgiven by GOD:
> >
> > http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
> >
> > May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly
> > declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
>
> Charges of devil worship against the Lord Jesus Christ are of course
> false,
As are charges of devil worship against HIS brethren.
Bottomline:
You are untruthful.
> charges of you emulating satan by writing blasphemies and lies
> are supported by your own posts.
Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> I am comfortable in my relationship with God
That is not what I discern.
Jesus is GOD.
> , you are clearly twisted though I hope that even at this late
> hour you are not beyond redemption.
Not only already redeemed but brought back from death by HIM:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
> Continue blaspheming the Holy Spirit and hell awaits you.
Actually, those who unwisely choose to blaspheme against the Holy
Spirit as you are contemplating become eternally condemned.
Only Jesus can save you from your deadly sins...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
... but if you unwisely choose to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit,
HE won't save you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but
blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." -- LORD Jesus
Christ
Amen.
Clearly, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
rel...@router5.com
Get thee behind me satan, your lies are posted for all to see.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Indeed satan's lies are everywhere:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly expose satan, who is your lord.
You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Mary, whom I love
unconditionally.
rel...@router5.com
Your tricks won't work here Dr. Chung. The Lord God whom I love
unconditionally is the only love I seek. When you seek to accuse me
you only reveal how deeply you have sunk doing the devil's work.
Begone foul beast, and I write directly to you satan and not his
minion, the demon "Dr. Chung". I fear you not, for the Lord hath
Power and it is His Love which protects me.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Praying to my Father in heaven, in Jesus' holy and precious name, is
not a trick.
> The Lord God whom I love
> unconditionally is the only love I seek.
Suggested reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Reverently fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
> When you seek to accuse me
> you only reveal how deeply you have sunk doing the devil's work.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3faf87cdc00c08f1?
This simply shows that HE is absolutely right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> Begone foul beast, and I write directly to you satan and not his
> minion, the demon "Dr. Chung".
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> I fear you not, for the Lord hath
> Power and it is His Love which protects me.
Your lord, satan, has had all his power stripped from him since LORD
Jesus Christ confronted him in hell prior to being resurrected.
All he has left is his lies and even they are being exposed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
rel...@router5.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed satan's lies are everywhere:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
>
Praise to God that he has forced you to unwittingly admit your lies.
Mary
rel...@router5.com
>
> Praying to my Father in heaven, in Jesus' holy and precious name, is
> not a trick.
Misuse of words in support of your lies is your oldest trick satan.
You will not fool me, for the Lord God in His Love and Mercy protects
me and forces you to show yourself for what you are
>
> > The Lord God whom I love
> > unconditionally is the only love I seek.
>
> Suggested reading:
I have no need of your works satan, with God's Blessing The Holy Bible
instructs me well enough to recognize his minions and their evil
works. Be gone foul one!
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> >
> > Indeed satan's lies are everywhere:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> >
> Praise to God
It remains my choice to praise HIM all the time :-)
> that he has forced you
It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift
of free will.
Your not knowing this is very telling. It is satan's style to keep
folks in the dark about GOD.
> to unwittingly admit your lies.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
Sadly, the same can not be written concerning your writings:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3faf87cdc00c08f1?
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Mary whom I love
Cary Kittrell
It will be interesting to see if your rebuke has any more
effect than does Andrew's long-running King Canute impression.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Indeed satan's lies are everywhere:
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> > >
> > Praise to God
>
> It remains my choice to praise HIM all the time :-)
>
> > that he has forced you
> It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift
> of free will.
>
> Your not knowing this is very telling. It is satan's style to keep
> folks in the dark about GOD.
Either that, or your constant "... to GOD for compelling you to..."
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Indeed satan's lies are everywhere:
> > > >
> > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> > > >
> > > Praise to God
> >
> > It remains my choice to praise HIM all the time :-)
>
> > > that he has forced you
>
> > It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift
> > of free will.
> >
> > Your not knowing this is very telling. It is satan's style to keep
> > folks in the dark about GOD.
>
> Either that
It is that.
> , or your constant "... to GOD for compelling you to..."
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly show that HE has not forced you to do anything :-)
This simply means that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
rel...@router5.com
When you decided to lie, you sold your soul to the devil. It is
obvious from your posts that you then went even lower and made
yourself host to a demon. God preserves the free will of human souls
but manipulates demons as suits His Great Purpose. Thus He forced you
to expose your own lies. Your tricks will not work here satan.
I pray that one day, God Willing, the soul of Dr. Chung will find
strength in itself to ask Our Lord God, Creator of Heaven and Earth to
be rid of the foul pest which now inhabits his body. A foul pest
which has issued forth blasphemy upon blasphemy and lie upon lie.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > > Indeed satan's lies are everywhere:
> >
> > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> >
> > > Praise to God
> >
> > It remains my choice to praise HIM all the time :-)
> >
> > > that he has forced you
> >
> > It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift
> > of free will.
> >
> > Your not knowing this is very telling. It is satan's style to keep
> > folks in the dark about GOD.
> >
> > > to unwittingly admit your lies.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >
> > Sadly, the same can not be written concerning your writings:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3faf87cdc00c08f1?
> >
> > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > you:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Mary whom I love
> > unconditionally.
>
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
One of us is lying.
Those with discerning hearts know which.
> , you sold your soul to the devil.
Incorrect.
My soul has been purchased by LORD Jesus Christ with HIS blood:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> It is
> obvious from your posts that you then went even lower and made
> yourself host to a demon.
It saddens me to read that you have unwisely chosen to blaspheme
against the Holy Spirit by calling HIM a demon.
"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but
blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." -- LORD Jesus
Christ
Amen.
You have now become satan's sockpuppet (corporeal demon) because your
soul has died under the weight of eternal condemnation by GOD.
Without a soul you no longer have GOD's generous gift of free will and
instead you will continue to do only satan's will:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
In Jesus' most precious and holy name, I rebuke you, demon and your
lord, satan.
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Servant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Archie Leach
>> It is
>> obvious from your posts that you then went even lower and made
>> yourself host to a demon.
>
>It saddens me to read that you have unwisely chosen to blaspheme
>against the Holy Spirit by calling HIM a demon.
>
>"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but
>blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." -- LORD Jesus
>Christ
>
>Amen.
>
>You have now become satan's sockpuppet (corporeal demon) because your
>soul has died under the weight of eternal condemnation by GOD.
>Without a soul you no longer have GOD's generous gift of free will and
>instead you will continue to do only satan's will:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/55b9f72abe5705dc?
>
>In Jesus' most precious and holy name, I rebuke you, demon and your
>lord, satan.
>
>Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
Mary is right. You are the one who is the demon, you with the
incretins in your saliva and ejaculate that smells like emesis, Demon
Chungfraud.
My discerning heart detects that you're more interested in your own
net.notoriety than actually leading people to Christ.
Everything about you is phony, perverse, corrupt.
Jeff
> Get thee behind me satan, your lies are posted for all to see.
>
> Mary
Not for me to see.
Only my kill file sees him.
A recommended change to your computer.
THE END OF RELIGION IS NIGH!
<rel...@router5.com> wrote in message
news:1186755921.8...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote to himself:
>
> > Get thee behind me satan, your lies are posted for all to see.
>
They remain in your heart, however:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
rel...@router5.com
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Mary (rela...@router5.com) wrote:
>
> > > > > > snip
>
> > > > > > > this topic, otherwise your observations in your first post will go
> > > > > > > into file 13 as "cheap shots".
>
> > > > > > > Rod
>
> > > > > > I don't care where you file my posts. You're digging for my "bias"
> > > > > > has _nothing_ to do with a purported doctor resorting to the
> > > > > > supernatural in a sci group. If someone complained that the wheel
> > > > > > fell off his car in rec.autos and a mechanic came back and said it was
> > > > > > God's will, that would be a sufficient explanation for you would it ?
>
> > > > > For the why, it would be a sufficient explanation because anything
> > > > > else would still be subject to GOD's will and only GOD knows HIS
> > > > > reason for causing the wheel to fall off.
>
> > > > > With GOD, the mechanic would then be able to explain how GOD caused
> > > > > the wheel to fall off the car just as he might possibly be able to
>
> > > > You might be able to fool the rubes with this nonsense, but it won't
> > > > wash with me. It's not good theology,good philosophy, or good
> > > > science.
>
> > > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> > less and less interest to me. Especially when you promote scams like
> > the one below. I've been wondering how anyone who was interested in
> > maintaining a professional standing could stoop so low. The obvious
> > answer is that you have already written off your career and you're
> > simply engaged in silly power games on Usenet. I wish you could see
> > how small your posts make you look.
>
> It remains my choice to continue standing by LORD Jesus Christ, Who
> makes everyone beside HIM seem small :-)
>
> > > > >http://TruthRUS.org/RedSea
>
> > > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> > > you to unwittingly reveal that GOD's purpose for me here is being
> > > realized.
>
> > work and serving the devil's purpose. That you cannot see that merely
> > proves my point.
>
> The Red Sea crossing is neither a scam nor does it belong to Ron
> Wyatt.
>
Oh no you don't demon! You won't get away with misinterpreting what I
wrote. You support lies even when they are revealed as such. Ron
Wyatt constructed a scam about the crossing of the Red Sea. The truth
of the bible account of the Red Sea crossing is there for all to see.
You twist and you turn under the light of Truth Chung-demon but those
whom The Lord has blessed with discernment have no time for your
misdirections and lies. I pray that God will choose in His Infinite
Mercy will rid Dr. Chung of his demon and return him to The Light.
Mary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Kris "Cougar" <cougar_roc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't think she understands the impact of harming others...I didn't when I smoked.
> >Kris
>
> All smokers know the impact of second hand smoke. We're just as
> intelligent as non-smokers. We're just addicts. You can't make your
> sister quit anymore than she could have made you quit before November.
>
> I quit a 3 pack a day habit almost 3 years ago. Being smober felt so
> damn good I wanted to make the rest of the world quit along with me.
> It took awhile to learn that no matter how I expressed myself, no
> matter how many times I expressed myself, there was absolutely nothing
> I could say to another human being to make them quit smoking.
Correct.
> There
> was absolutely nothing anyone could tell me to make me quit before I
> made that decision for myself.
Correct.
> I understand exactly how you feel. After having a massive coronary
> and having 3 cardiac stents placed in Feb. of this year my husband
> still smokes.
Sad to read about this.
> After my recent diagnosis of emphysema he still smokes.
Sad to read about this too.
> He, like most smokers, claims he "enjoys it."
There is pleasure for those who crave (want) the cigarette smoking.
> Truth is that little
> white paper tube fill with poison is stronger than he is.
The addiction arises from the false belief that the craving (wanting)
is bad and must be "satisfied."
The addiction ends when there has been a change of heart which you
have had where you now see smoking cigarettes as poisonous so that the
craving (wanting) is wonderful because it automatically means you are
not smoking.
Only GOD can change our hearts.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS changing
your heart :-)
> I hope your sister's surgery goes well and I hope the pain and
> inconvenience of recovery will help her make the decision to put down
> the stink sticks for good.
That would be my wish for Kris' sister too.
Be hungry (want food)... be healthy (less VAT)... be blessed
(surrounded with good things that make you even hungrier/healthier):
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ok, sister is going to have 4-5 bypass surgery Monday.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > She can't help herself. She is addicted to smoking the
> >> >> > cigarettes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I stopped in October after about 30 years of it. I still "want
> >> >> >> to" at times, but I know so much damage has been done, and with
> >> >> >> the diabetes I have and asthma, it would kill me. My sister
> >> >> >> has T2
> >> also,
> >> >> >> but she just refuses to stop.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Only GOD can change her heart as HE has changed yours so that
> >> >> > she would know in her heart what you know in your heart that
> >> >> > craving ("want to") cigarettes is wonderful because it means you
> >> >> > are definitely not smoking cigarettes. It is the latter that is
> >> >> > terribly bad and not the craving (wanting) !
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you prayerfully ask GOD, in Jesus' name, to change your
> >> >> > sister's heart so that she can choose to quit smoking
> >> >> > cigarettes, it is possible that HE will.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, it isn't.
> >> >
> >> > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are
> >> > possible." --- Messiah Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
> >>
> >> Who stole your mind, Andy?
> >
> > No one.
> >
> > A mind is required for recalling Scriptural verses and their locations
> > on the fly.
> >
> >
> >> Tell them you need it back so you don't have
> >> to censor the arguments you are addressing.
> >
> > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to argue.
> >
> > Refraining from argument is not censorship.
>
> Dishonest snipping is.
Not while Google archives these posts.
> >
> > Bottomline:
> >
> > You are untruthful.
>
> Bottom line: I have you bang to rights.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > you:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Thanks, I shall wear it as a badge of honour.
As if a fish with a hook through its nose would be regarded as wearing
a badge of honour.
>
> >> No, it isn't. What is possible is that if she summons the willpower to
> >> give up, dishonest shills for Jeebus like you will claim that's why >>
> >> she did so.
> <original point resurrected>
>
> You know that I am telling the truth, or you wouldn't keep dishonestly
> snipping it.
It remains my choice to cross the bridges that are reached.
> You know what people are trying to say, or you wouldn't keep pretending you
> don't understand it.
>
> YOU DON'T WIN ARGUMENTS BY RUNNING AWAY FROM THEM.
Not crossing bridges that have not been reached is not the same as
running from such bridges.
> Now, the point is: Prayer doesn't work, people like you are able to get
> away with fooling themselves that it does because you ignore what doesn't
> suit your beliefs, and jump up and down shouting "told you so" when the
> normal distribution of probability accidentally yields the desired results.
Nothing happens by accident when everything the world would credit to
chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33).
> You're supposed to be a doctor, and you claim to be a scientist.
GOD has shaped me to be both.
> For
> goodness' sake, what kind of doctor or scientist replaces honest debate
> with superstitious babble?
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
There is no truth in debate.
> I believe somebody else asked you the same
> question, and is still waiting for an answer. You aren't getting away with
> it. That's a promise.
It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write.
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Robibnikoff
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
\\
FOAD, you nym-shifting piece of shit! Arrrrrgh.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
parsi...@gmail.com
>
> You are untruthful.
>
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
You're one seriously sick motherfucker, Chung.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> FOAD, you nym-shifting piece of shit! Arrrrrgh.
Your name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
Robibnikoff
> convicted neighbor Robibnikoff wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> FOAD, you nym-shifting piece of shit! Arrrrrgh.
>
> Your name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
> right to convict you:
Fuck you, Chung. Re-PLONK
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Robibnikoff wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> >> FOAD, you nym-shifting piece of shit! Arrrrrgh.
> >
> > Your name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
> > right to convict you:
>
>
> Fuck you, Chung. Re-PLONK
You will remains in my prayers, dear neighbor Robyn whom I love
unconditionally.
Hannele
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Hmm, Robyn, did you notice this person misusing your nym? And can anyone
tell me what this post means?
--
Hannele
aa #2221
Cheri
Hannele wrote in message ...
>Hmm, Robyn, did you notice this person misusing your nym? And can
anyone
>tell me what this post means?
>
>--
>Hannele
>aa #2221
Lots of nyms being used for this X-posted stuff. Not crossposting
helps to stop it.
Cheri
percy
>
> Hmm, Robyn, did you notice this person misusing your nym? And can anyone
> tell me what this post means?
>
as previously mentioned,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Job
Robibnikoff
"Hannele" <Hannele@lycos-nl> wrote in message
news:op.twyue...@laptophannele.mshome.net...
LOL! I have NO idea. Whoever it is, they're already in my killfile.
Grandpa Chuck
wrote:
So does killfiling the subject line, as I am going to do right after I
send this.
--
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
Americans killed in the occupation of Iraq as of August 11, 2007 is 3,689.
United Kingdom = 168 Other = 129.
How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego?
Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it!
As of Augest 12, 2007 it has been 15654 days since Bush
while standing in front of the banner which was sent
to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our
allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well?
Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair
Lewis
Smiler
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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> Roger neglects the clarity following hers and tonight nominates.
> Moammar, v sessions depressed and teenage, swears worth it, following
> often. We abuse the post-war partnership and regret it round its
> journey. Mohammad! You'll give cousins. Lately, I'll locate the
<snip of more randomly generated insanity>
Makes slightly more sense than his usual drivel.
Only slightly, mind you.
Smiler,
The godless one
Cheri
Grandpa Chuck wrote in message ...
>So does killfiling the subject line, as I am going to do right after
I
>send this.
>--
>
>Grandpa Chuck
Unfortunately, they're coming in many different subject lines, with
regular posters nicks attached to the posts.
Cheri
betsie
<BessieBee@I_dont_smoke_anymore.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 02:09:43 -0500, "Cougar"
><cougar_roc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't think she understands the impact of harming others...I didn't when I smoked.
>>Kris
>
>All smokers know the impact of second hand smoke. We're just as
>intelligent as non-smokers. We're just addicts. You can't make your
>sister quit anymore than she could have made you quit before November.
>
>I quit a 3 pack a day habit almost 3 years ago. Being smober felt so
>damn good I wanted to make the rest of the world quit along with me.
>It took awhile to learn that no matter how I expressed myself, no
>matter how many times I expressed myself, there was absolutely nothing
>I could say to another human being to make them quit smoking. There
>was absolutely nothing anyone could tell me to make me quit before I
>made that decision for myself.
>
>I understand exactly how you feel. After having a massive coronary
>and having 3 cardiac stents placed in Feb. of this year my husband
>still smokes. After my recent diagnosis of emphysema he still smokes.
>He, like most smokers, claims he "enjoys it." Truth is that little
>white paper tube fill with poison is stronger than he is.
>
>I hope your sister's surgery goes well and I hope the pain and
>inconvenience of recovery will help her make the decision to put down
>the stink sticks for good.
FUCK OFF!