Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated
mark.p...@gmail.com
Yes, Michael Phelps has ADHD. His mother, a school principal for over
30 years chose to use medications.
7 Gold, one to go.
Go Michael, Go.
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
her heart. Probert denies it.
http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
She says this:
According to the National Institute of Mental Health, behavioral
modifications combined with medication management may help your child
with ADHD increase his/her attention span, improve focus and decrease
distractibility in and out of the classroom.
http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
*Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
PediatricsTM.
Twittering One
Mark Probert
> Update from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
> current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
> mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
> her heart. Probert denies it.
>
> http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
>
> She says this:
> According to the National Institute of Mental Health, behavioral
> modifications combined with medication management may help your child
> with ADHD increase his/her attention span, improve focus and decrease
>
> *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
> PediatricsTM.
Disporve the validity of her claims. You cannot.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> Update from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
> current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
> mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
> her heart. Probert denies it.
Oh, Proby caught in yet another lie, who would've thought it. Ha-ha-ha-
ha-ha-ha!
> http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
>
> She says this:
> According to the National Institute of Mental Health, behavioral
> modifications combined with medication management may help your child
> with ADHD increase his/her attention span, improve focus and decrease
> distractibility in and out of the classroom.http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>
> *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
> PediatricsTM.
Thank you Ilena for exposing Proby as an obvious shill.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Wrong, she just did disprove it!! Thank you Ilena. Now go crawl under
a rock Proby and leave Ilena alone to post truth and documented facts!
Thanks again Ilena for helping ALL of us!!
Raving
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> Wrong, she just did disprove it!! Thank you Ilena. Now go crawl under
> a rock Proby and leave Ilena alone to post truth and documented facts!
> Thanks again Ilena for helping ALL of us!!
Soured prospect in going for gold, Sir Thunder Cheek?
Not everyone can have ADHD.
... Sorry. :(
wykoff
> On Aug 16, 8:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>> Update from Health Lover, Ilena
>> Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>>
>> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney,
>> and current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert
>> forgot to mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She
>> admits it, bless her heart. Probert denies it.
>
> Oh, Proby caught in yet another lie, who would've thought it.
> Ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha!
No lies there. No one, not you, not Ilena, not Jan Drew, can dispute the
claims of benefit made by Debbie Phelps.
You need to deal with your own lies, FARTio.
You impersonated a medical doctor by posing as a DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER,
altered a WASHINGTON POST article to suit your needs, and got booted by
your ISP's for it.
>> http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
>>
>> She says this: According to the National Institute of Mental
>> Health, behavioral modifications combined with medication
>> management may help your child with ADHD increase his/her attention
>> span, improve focus and decrease distractibility in and out of the
>> classroom.http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>>
>> *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for
>> McNeil PediatricsTM.
>
> Thank you Ilena for exposing Proby as an obvious shill.
Debbie Phelps claims have not been disputed by you or anyone else.
Getting paid to tell her true story does nothing to discount its veracity.
Now run along and shave that ugly beard.
The 1970's are long gone, and your wife is ashamed of being seen in
public with you.
wykoff
> On Aug 16, 9:34 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 16, 11:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Update from Health Lover, Ilena
>>> Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om Pharma Shill and
>>> Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and current
>>> Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
>>> mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it,
>>> bless her heart. Probert denies it.
>>> http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html She
>>> says this: According to the National Institute of Mental Health,
>>> behavioral modifications combined with medication management may
>>> help your child with ADHD increase his/her attention span,
>>> improve focus and decrease distractibility in and out of the
>>> classroom.http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms *Debbie Phelps is
>>> currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil PediatricsTM.
>>>
>> Disporve the validity of her claims. You cannot.
>
> Wrong, she just did disprove it!!
No she didn't.
You can't show her disproof.
Deal with your own lies, FARTio.
You impersonated a doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER and altered a
WASHINGTON POST article and got booted by your ISP's for it.
> Thank you Ilena. Now go crawl under a rock Proby and leave Ilena
> alone to post truth and documented facts! Thanks again Ilena for
> helping ALL of us!!
No truth and no documented facts have been posted by anyone to dispute
the claims of benefit made by Debbie Phelps.
FARTio, go shave off that ugly beard.
The 1970's are long gone, and Jerry Garcia has died.
wykoff
> On Aug 16, 1:22 pm, HoleFARTer wrote:
> <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
>
>> Wrong, she just did disprove it!! Thank you Ilena. Now go crawl under
>> a rock Proby and leave Ilena alone to post truth and documented facts!
>> Thanks again Ilena for helping ALL of us!!
> Soured prospect in going for gold, Sir Thunder Cheek?
>
> Not everyone can have ADHD.
>
> ... Sorry. :(
HoleFARTer is a patholigical liar.
He can't help it.
MSmith
So what? It takes nothing away from his accomplishments. Why do you
have a problem with what is an exceptional performance.
That's the problem with you anti-med kooks, you're always ready to try
and steal someone's thunder.
Eat shit and die.
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
petard.
Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
the information I have read so far.
Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
and other drugs.
Myrl
There is no doubt that Michael Phelp's performance in the pool is
nothing short of phenomenal! Especially dazzling was the 100 meter
freestyle last night, which separated him from being dropped to a
silver medal by a mere 1/100ths of a second! Yep folks that
represents about a fingernail's edge in difference.
That being said, I don't think there are any easy solutions and
answers for children of ADHD. My preference if I had to confront it
headon with my children, would be to only medicate as last resort. I
would look to foods and their additives, as my first line of defense.
Michael's mom clearly stated that Michael was only medicated in his
early years, never on weekends, and never in the summer months - only
during school.
I "think" this is her website:
http://adderworld.com/blog1/2008/08/10/michael-phelps-adhd-hyper-focus-concentration-helps-win-gold-medal-in-beijing/
Whatever Mrs. Phelp's did for her boy in treating the condition,
obviously has had a measure of success for him! Congratulations to
them both!
wykoff
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
She's being compensated for her time. Big deal.
Her compensation in no way diminishes the truth of what she speaks.
> Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Probert isn't the issue here.
ADHD and Mrs. Phelps' statements of how ADHD drugs help her son are.
> Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
> they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
The fact that her son got to the gold says plenty about whether the ADHD
drugs helped.
> Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
> is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
> for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
> nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
> the information I have read so far.
You can't connect that the drugs DID NOT help Phelps get his gold, or
that Phelps would be in the same position today, vis-a-vis his medals,
had he NOT TAKEN the drugs.
Hence, for you to say the drugs and his performance ARE NOT connected is
patently dishonest.
If you have a "hard-on" for Probert, that's a personal issue for you to
resolve offline.
> Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
> Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
> insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
> and other drugs.
I haven't seen Probert post anonymously.
Nor have you proved that he has.
You're either delusional, or you have a personal issue with the man.
Either way, it's off topic.
The study posted by Jan Drew is suspect.
No one, including you, has posted any hard core evidence that the
dangers of vaccines outweigh the benefits.
Now go stuff your pie hole with more garlic.
wykoff
Amen and alleluia!
wykoff
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that
> will benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
She's being compensated for her time. Big deal.
Her compensation in no way diminishes the truth of what she speaks.
> Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Probert isn't the issue here.
ADHD and Mrs. Phelps' statements of how ADHD drugs helped her son are.
> Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
> they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
The fact that her son got to the gold says plenty about whether the ADHD
drugs helped.
> Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack
> who is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has
> pushed for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are
> connected ... nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at
> this point from the information I have read so far.
You can't connect that the drugs DID NOT help Phelps get his gold, or
that Phelps would be in the same position today, vis-a-vis his medals,
had he NOT TAKEN the drugs.
Hence, for you to say the drugs and his performance ARE NOT connected is
patently dishonest.
If you have a "hard-on" for Probert, that's a personal issue for you to
resolve offline.
> Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
> Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
> insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
> and other drugs.
I haven't seen Probert post anonymously.
Nor have you proved that he has.
You're either delusional, or you have a personal issue with the man.
Either way, it's off topic.
The study posted by Jan Drew is suspect.
No one, including you, has posted any hard core evidence that the
dangers of vaccines outweigh the benefits.
Now go stuff your pie hole with some more garlic.
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
It's definitely the time to put more attention on the vast ADHD
Industry, well represented here by Probert and now 2 new anonymous
Snake-oil Friendly, grownling posters.
For too long, the industry voices have drowned out those voices of
families with children harmed by these drugs.
Reading Probert's title "Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated" it seems as
with other medical controversies ... industry voice, Snake-oil Probert
has attempted to conect "seven gold" and "medicated."
I would love to see alot more studies done and more discussions on
this topic.
Bravo to the Phelps Family for all their accomplishments.
Ilena Rose
important to know the very real risks of drugs and medical devices
...not just the well funded industry viewpoint.
Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Panel backs new warnings on ADHD drugs
Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:25 AM ET
By Lisa Richwine
GAITHERSBURG, Maryland (Reuters) - U.S. advisers on Wednesday called
for new
information about psychiatric and heart risks on the labels of
attention
deficit drugs but stopped short of recommending the strongest possible
warning, saying they did not want to frighten patients or parents from
effective treatment.
The panel of pediatric experts reviewed reports of heart problems,
psychotic
behavior, hallucinations and other psychiatric symptoms, in children
who
took the medicines, which include Novartis AG's Ritalin and Shire
Plc's
Adderall.
Patients, parents and doctors should know about the reports even
though it
is unclear if the drugs contributed to the problems, panel members
said.
They declined to recommend the "black box" warning -- the strongest
for
prescription drugs -- that a different advisory panel narrowly
endorsed last
month.
"You have overwhelming evidence of efficacy with two rare adverse
events ...
A black box would scare many patients away from treatment," said panel
chairman Dr. Robert Nelson, a critical care specialist at The
Children's
Hospital of Philadelphia.
The Food and Drug Administration will consider both panels'
recommendations
before making a final labeling decision. Dr. Robert Temple, director
of the
FDA's medical policy office, said officials likely would follow the
pediatric panel's recommendations for explaining risks to children but
were
still mulling what to say about the dangers for adults.
Millions take prescription drugs to treat attention deficit
hyperactivity
disorder (ADHD). The condition causes trouble with focus as well as
hyperactivity and impulsiveness. Symptoms can be so disabling that
they
interfere with school or work and personal relationships.
Other ADHD drugs include Johnson & Johnson's Concerta, Novartis's
Focalin,
GlaxoSmithKline Plc's Dexedrine and Eli Lilly and Co.'s Strattera.
Critics say the drugs are prescribed to people who do not need them.
The recent safety concerns have added to the controversy. FDA
reviewers have
been working for months to analyze reports of sudden deaths, heart
attacks
and strokes as well as psychiatric symptoms.
FDA staff said they were struck by reports of several children under
age 10
who were taking the drugs and mistakenly thought they saw or felt
bugs,
snakes and worms crawling on them. The hallucinations and other
episodes
most often occurred in patients with no known risks factors for such
behavior, FDA staff said.
Panel members said they thought those problems should be highlighted
on the
ADHD drug labels and described in a patient-friendly guide handed out
with
prescriptions.
Cardiac problems also should be noted, panel members said, but
stressed they
are most likely to be seen in children with a history of heart
problems or
in adults.
"In the general run-of-the-mill kid, I think (ADHD drugs) are
well-tolerated. I don't think there's much risk at all if they don't
have a
heart condition," said Dr. John Moore, a panel member and pediatric
cardiologist at Mattel Children's Hospital at UCLA in Los Angeles.
Last month, a different FDA panel of drug safety experts voted 8-7 to
recommend a black box warning about the potential for cardiac
complications.
Adderall already carries a black box warning that misuse could lead to
cardiovascular problems, and Strattera has one cautioning that
children and
teens who take it could have suicidal thoughts.
Makers of the ADHD drugs said they would work with the FDA to make
sure
risks were communicated adequately.
"We are supportive of the suggestion that they made...of having some
type of
heightened awareness around potential adverse events," Shire spokesman
Matthew Cabrey said.
Frank
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
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Idiot arse, so you say Ilena teh stupid speaks for you since you cannot
put two words together.
The guys mom said it all, he succeeded and you didn't.
Fact is he GREATLY succeeded and you failed most miserably. You should
have taken your meds.
Frank
On Aug 16, 8:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> Update from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
> current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
> mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
> her heart. Probert denies it.
Oh, Proby caught in yet another lie, who would've thought it. Ha-ha-ha-
ha-ha-ha!
==========================================
Another parrot post from you, too bad you cannot think for yourself.
Frank
"wykoff" <w...@buu.org> wrote in message news:g8760v$3c2$1...@aioe.org...
> HoleFARTer wrote:
>> On Aug 16, 8:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>>> Update from Health Lover, Ilena
>>> Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>>>
>>> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney,
>>> and current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert
>>> forgot to mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She
>>> admits it, bless her heart. Probert denies it.
>>
>> Oh, Proby caught in yet another lie, who would've thought it.
>> Ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha!
>
> No lies there. No one, not you, not Ilena, not Jan Drew, can dispute
> the
> claims of benefit made by Debbie Phelps.
>
> You need to deal with your own lies, FARTio.
> You impersonated a medical doctor by posing as a DR. RICHARD X.
> FRAGER,
> altered a WASHINGTON POST article to suit your needs, and got booted
> by
> your ISP's for it.
>
Proof positive he makes for a lousy parrot.
Frank
"Ilena Rose" <B...@mundo.com> wrote in message
news:qvbea4pmnjispvakt...@4ax.com...
You're a deceiving idiot, you are trying to take away from the fact that
meds may have helped especially with the "may" in quotes and calling him
mom a shill rather than a straight representative if she is indeed that.
You make liars blush and embarrass them.
Frank
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> It's definitely the time to put more attention on the vast ADHD
> Industry, well represented here by Probert and now 2 new anonymous
> Snake-oil Friendly, grownling posters.
>
Giant PKB, you are posting anonymously, fraud.
Ilena Rose
that he has been medicated while an Olympian 7 Gold medalist.
Surely stimulants such as ADHD meds would be a 'verboten' drug.
THE LOS ANGELES TIMES
FDA Budget Malnourished: A study of ADHD drug risks may be halted as
the
agency struggles to keep up with demands.
By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar
October 7, 2006
WASHINGTON - When scientific advisors urged the Food and Drug
Administration
in February to put a strong warning about suspected cardiovascular
risks on
attention-deficit drugs taken by millions of children and adults,
agency
officials said more clinical evidence was needed.
Now, the FDA-funded study meant to authoritatively answer questions
about
the drugs for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder may be halted
in
midstream. The reason: The agency doesn't have the money to finish it.
The threat to the study, as revealed in documents and interviews,
stems from
chronic shortchanging of the nation's drug safety program. It is one
symptom
of a federal agency increasingly constrained by a budget that has
failed to
keep up with costs. This crunch is even more dire in the food
division,
which tries to keep tainted foodstuffs from supermarket shelves.
Even as concerns grow, the agency has budgeted only $1.6 million for
such
safety studies of medications already on the market, and that number
is
scheduled to drop to $900,000 in the coming year. Outside experts
estimate
that the agency needs $20 million to $100 million a year to conduct
such
studies.
Recently, three former secretaries of Health and Human Services
sounded a
public alarm about what they saw as a dangerous squeeze on the overall
FDA
budget. Tommy G. Thompson, who served in President Bush's first term;
Donna
Shalala, who served under President Clinton; and Louis W. Sullivan,
who
served under President George H.W. Bush, joined consumer and industry
groups
in calling on the administration to substantially boost - perhaps
double -
the agency's $1.5-billion annual budget, which has increased only
modestly
in recent years.
FDA officials declined to discuss problems with funding for drug
safety,
saying the issue was under internal review. In a statement, the agency
acknowledged that more money was needed for safety and noted that
funding to
complete the ADHD study had "not yet been identified."
A special fact-finding panel of the Institute of Medicine recently put
the
troubles in blunt terms in a report that called for significant FDA
changes.
Funding for drug safety is "especially inadequate [and] resource
limitations
have hobbled the agency's ability to improve and expand this essential
component of its mission," the panel concluded.
FDA officials estimate the study of ADHD medications, including such
well-known brands as Ritalin and Adderall, will cost $2 million to $3
million. About $1 million has been committed. By analyzing the records
of
thousands of individuals, outside medical researchers have been trying
to
determine whether the medications predispose patients to heart attacks
and
sudden death.
Most ADHD drugs are derived from powerful stimulants. They help
patients
concentrate, but they also raise blood pressure, a major risk factor
for
heart disease and stroke. The medications, once given primarily to
children,
are increasingly prescribed for adults - a population more susceptible
to
heart problems. About 2.5 million children and 1.5 million adults now
take
such medications.
"If the FDA lacks the resources to complete the study of
cardiovascular
risks of ADHD drugs, the consequences can have a profound adverse
impact on
public health," said Dr. Steven Nissen, chairman of cardiovascular
medicine
at the Cleveland Clinic.
"The makers of these agents have no incentive to study the hazards of
their
own drugs. Therefore, the FDA will likely represent the only entity
capable
of objectively assessing the safety of the ADHD drugs."
The ADHD study is not the only example of a patchwork system.
The FDA bought - at a cost of $500,000 a year - a British database
that is
considered a state-of-the-art tool for drug safety research. The
General
Practice Research Database contains complete medical records on 4
million
patients that can be mined for information on reactions to drugs.
But the FDA has acknowledged that its drug safety office doesn't have
enough
professionals - epidemiologists, biostatisticians and computer
programmers -
to take full advantage of the database.
Meanwhile, the 90-person drug safety office is reeling from a surge in
reports on medication side effects. The number of such "adverse event"
reports jumped from about 250,000 in 2000 to more than 450,000 in
2005.
The trend reflects greater use of prescription drugs, growing
awareness of
their risks and improvements in the reporting system.
"We have to do difficult triage about which ones we are going to
follow up
on," said an FDA official closely involved with the agency's budget
who
asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of discussions
within
the Bush administration. "Our funding is just not robust enough for
scientific research." Fully funding the ADHD risk study would mean
"we
wouldn't be able to do too many other studies," the official added.
The FDA's budget crunch has also hurt its ability to safeguard fresh
produce, some critics say. That has become an issue in the aftermath
of the
E. coli outbreak traced to California spinach. The number of
inspectors and
field office staffers has been cut from 2,217 in 2003 to about 1,960.
"The agency is like a fire department running around with a little
fire
extinguisher," said Michael Jacobson, director of the Center for
Science in
the Public Interest, a nutrition advocacy group. "The money situation
for
foods is probably worse than it's ever been."
Earlier this year, the FDA's food division announced that budget
pressures
had forced cuts in its headquarters workforce from 950 in 2003 to
fewer than
850, with further reductions expected.
The FDA has "been presented with unique challenges, and we will not be
able
to take on the same large number of objectives we have identified in
previous years," Robert E. Brackett, director of the food division,
wrote in
an unusually candid letter to consumer and industry groups. "The
challenges
are likely to continue [in 2007] and beyond for domestic agencies in
the
federal government."
The agency's budget challenge has three facets, outside experts and
agency
officials say.
First, modest annual increases for the FDA have not kept up with
escalating
salaries for its doctors, pharmacologists, epidemiologists and other
professionals. For example, experts in the FDA's Center for Drug
Evaluation
and Research made an average of $70,000 in 1997, but now command
salaries of
$140,000 to keep up with industry.
A recent internal FDA analysis estimated that the 2006 budget would
have
needed to be $2.2 billion - not $1.5 billion - just to keep pace with
increases in personnel costs.
Second, the post-market drug safety program - with a few exceptions -
is not
allowed to tap into user fees that pharmaceutical companies pay the
agency
for the review of proposed new drugs. The user fees add about $400
million a
year to the FDA's $1.5-billion budget.
Finally, compared with funding for the National Institutes of Health,
which
sponsors cutting-edge medical research, securing more money for the
FDA has
been a low priority for the administration and Congress. The NIH
budget has
increased from $20.5 billion in 2001 to $28.6 billion.
"There has been a dramatic increase in the attention focused on NIH,
and we
believe similar attention needs to be given to the FDA," said Sheila
Burke,
chairwoman of the Institute of Medicine panel that recently reported
on drug
safety. "The center of that effort has to be an increase in resources.
There
is no question that it needs to be done."
Meanwhile, despite the uncertainty over funding for the ADHD study,
researchers are continuing work on it. They plan to use several
medical
databases to try to address three key issues: whether there is a link
between ADHD drugs and higher rates of heart attack and sudden death
in
children; whether such a risk exists for adults; and whether there is
a link
between ADHD drugs and heart-rhythm abnormalities in children.
They have designed the study, but without more money won't be able to
determine whether these popular drugs can lead to heart attacks.
"That's a
very important question," said Laurel Habel, an epidemiologist at the
Kaiser
Foundation Research Institute in Oakland, which is participating in
the
study. "These drugs are being prescribed for a large and growing
number of
children, and they are also being prescribed to a growing number of
adults.
And, in general, they are medications that are taken for the long
term."
Jan Drew
"markp...@lumbercartel.com" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aca8772b-3907-495e...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Sponsored by:
http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net
McNeil PediatricsT, Division of Ortho-McNeil-Janssen Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/products.html
Concerta.
Concerta Side Effects include:
_ abdominal pain
_ aggravation, nervousness, hostility, sadness
_ drug dependence
_ dizziness
_ headache
_ tics
_ insomnia and prolonged sleepiness
_ loss of appetite
_ increased coughing, sinusitis, upper respiratory tract infection
_ vomiting
_ allergic reaction
_ increased blood pressure
_ psychosis (abnormal thinking or hallucinations).
Based on these studies, the most common side effects of Concerta include:
Loss of appetite -- in up to 25.3 percent of people
Headaches -- up to 22.2 percent
Dry mouth -- up to 14 percent
Nausea -- up to 12.8 percent
Insomnia -- up to 12.3 percent
Tics (uncontrolled movements) -- up to 9 percent
Upper respiratory infections (similar to the common cold) -- up to 8 percent
Abdominal pain (or stomach pain) -- up to 7 percent.
Other common side effects (occurring in 2 to 7 percent of people) included:
Dizziness
Weight loss (see Concerta and Weight Loss)
Accidental injury
Irritability
Increased sweating
Vomiting
Loss of appetite
Cough
Irritated or sore throat
Sinus infection or irritation
Fever
Irritated or runny nose
Shakiness (tremor)
Ingestion or heartburn
Painful menstrual periods
Diarrhea.
Concerta can also cause a temporary slowing of growth in children. This
slowing of growth is usually small, and children usually catch up to within
normal limits in time.
(You can also read about other possible Concerta side effects by going to:
Concerta Sexual Side Effects
Concerta and Thyroid Problems
Concerta and Hair Loss.)
Suicidal thoughts
Confusion
Anxiety
Chest tightness or chest pain or heart palpitations
A rapid heart rate (tachycardia)
Shortness of breath
Depression (see Concerta and Depression)
More outgoing or aggressive behavior than normal
Strange behavior, agitation, or restlessness
Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really
there)
Fainting or seizures
Uncontrolled movements of the head, neck, mouth, arms, or legs (known as
tics)
Signs of an allergic reaction, including an unexplained skin rash, itching,
hives, wheezing or trouble breathing, or unexplained swelling.
Jan Drew
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:853c0053-dd21-4b06...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
No need since she IS a paid spokesperson for McNeil PediatricsTM.
It's al about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Raving
<mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>
> Yes, Michael Phelps has ADHD. His mother, a school principal for over
> 30 years chose to use medications.
>
> 7 Gold, one to go.
>
> Go Michael, Go.
8 Gold.
wykoff
No it's not.
Debbie Phelps is being compensated for her time.
Her compensation in no way diminishes the true story she speaks of.
Her son's gold medals speak for themselves.
You can't connect that the drugs DID NOT help Phelps get his gold, or
that Phelps would be in the same position today, vis-a-vis his medals,
had he NOT TAKEN the drugs.
Whatever Mrs. Phelp's did for her boy in treating the condition,
wykoff
> Concerta Side Effects include:
> Based on these studies, the most common side effects of Concerta include:
> Other common side effects (occurring in 2 to 7 percent of people) included:
Posting a list of side effects doesn't diminish what Mrs. Phelps did to
treat her boy.
Frank
"Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:tkJpk.23114$Ri.1...@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
So that is your problem, eh? You are not getting the money and it hurts.
Nice that you admit it is all about the $$'s. Now about that matter of
child abuse?
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> HoleFARTer wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 8:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> >> Update from Health Lover, Ilena
> >> Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> >> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney,
> >> and current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert
> >> forgot to mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She
> >> admits it, bless her heart. Probert denies it.
>
> > Oh, Proby caught in yet another lie, who would've thought it.
> > Ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha!
>
> No lies there. No one, not you, not Ilena, not Jan Drew, can dispute the
> claims of benefit made by Debbie Phelps.
>
> You need to deal with your own lies, FARTio.
Yes gutter language, all that Frank, Proby and their sock-puppets have
left. That is so sad. First off Frank, there is nothing wrong with
being gay, Probys new problem aside, although I do hope he gets that
treated soon.
Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer, this is a fact, not made up stuff, a
fact. A fact means that it is true.. This was NOT initiated by a
member of this group, like everything you accuse the honest
researchers of. Now go find something else to play with, you will
find it more rewarding. Leave these groups to adults, one day you may
become one, but the odds are great you will not.
Sir Artio
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Yes, it is Probys alter-ego known as "Frank" - the uh, gay side of
him. Thank YOU so much Ilena, you post documented facts, of course
the pro-med cult hates facts, because they are so used to lying.
>Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking....
That's our Proby. He is such a sad little man. With his new problem
I do hope he finds treatment and a long-term care home, he needs it
now more than ever.
Hooray of Ilena and honest scientific facts.
Sir Artio
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Well stated. Does Proby have any credibility left, the short answer
is no, the long answer is no. The sock-puppets, are just more proof
that Proby truly is deranged and clinically insane.
wykoff
> On Aug 16, 11:24 am, wykoff <w...@buu.org> wrote:
>> HoleFARTer wrote:
>>> On Aug 16, 8:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>>>> Update from Health Lover, Ilena
>>>> Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>>>> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney,
>>>> and current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert
>>>> forgot to mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She
>>>> admits it, bless her heart. Probert denies it.
>>> Oh, Proby caught in yet another lie, who would've thought it.
>>> Ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha!
>> No lies there. No one, not you, not Ilena, not Jan Drew, can dispute the
>> claims of benefit made by Debbie Phelps.
>>
>> You need to deal with your own lies, FARTio.
>
> Yes gutter language
Language is not the issue.
The issue is YOU taking responsibility for your own misconduct!
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFARTer!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have posted several times in recent days indicating a concern
for the private parts of other males who post on this newsgroup.
You posted an article on Google asking for free pics
of gay and anal sex.
Seek help for your own pervertedness!
No amount of your spin will make that go away. As long as you continue
to post, your issues will be brought up!
Now go shave that ugly beard! The 1970's are over, Jerry Garcia is dead,
and your wife is ashamed of being seen in public with you!
wykoff
> On Aug 16, 1:05 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>>
>> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
>> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
>>
>> Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
>> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
>> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
>> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
>> petard.
>>
>> Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
>> they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
>>
>> Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
>> is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
>> for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
>> nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
>> the information I have read so far.
>>
>> Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
>> Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
>> insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
>> and other drugs.
>
> Yes, it is Probys alter-ego
Probert is not the issue.
The issue is your own failure to take responsibility for your own
misconduct.
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFARTer!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert! Seek help for your problem now!
wykoff
> On Aug 16, 1:54 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>>
>> It's definitely the time to put more attention on the vast ADHD
>> Industry, well represented here by Probert and now 2 new anonymous
>> Snake-oil Friendly, grownling posters.
>>
>> For too long, the industry voices have drowned out those voices of
>> families with children harmed by these drugs.
>>
>> Reading Probert's title "Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated" it seems as
>> with other medical controversies ... industry voice, Snake-oil Probert
>> has attempted to conect "seven gold" and "medicated."
>>
>> I would love to see alot more studies done and more discussions on
>> this topic.
>>
>> Bravo to the Phelps Family for all their accomplishments.
>
> Well stated. Does Proby have any credibility left
Probert is not the issue.
The issue is your own failure to take responsibility for your own
misconduct.
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFARTer!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a deviant! Seek help for your problem now!
wykoff
> The sock-puppets are just more proof that Proby truly is deranged
> and clinically insane.
Deal with your own clinical issues, HoleFARTer!
You expressed interest in the private parts of other males who post
here. You posted an article asking for free pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert.
You also impersonated a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER.
You also altered a WASHINGTON POST article and passed it off online as
an original.
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
Shave off that ugly beard! Your wife is ashamed to be seen in public
with you!
wykoff
> First off Frank, there is nothing wrong with being gay
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b12403ddcb67e037
> From: smcqu...@cyberhighway.net
> Subject: Where do I find pictures?
> Date: 1999/03/28
> Message-ID: <370654f6...@nntp2.tsoft.net>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 460032650
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> X-Trace: news7.ispnews.com 922637579 198.144.204.72 (Sun, 28 Mar 1999
> 11:12:59 EST)
> Organization: Xellquom Nano-Technologies
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Reply-To: smqcu...@cyberhighway.net
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:12:59 EST
> Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.sex.wanted
>
> I'm looking for places in the internet to get free pictures. Very
> interested in anal, gay, and bisexual scenes. Where can I find some?
>
> Art Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sex/msg/2a616b57cc568441?hl=en&dmode=source
wykoff
> Does Proby have any credibility left
HoleFARTer aka Jerry Kolnick of Portland, Oregaon pretended to be a
doctor, and he did hand out bad advice. He was booted from one ISP for
this, and from another for unfairly quoting excessive amounts of
printed work in Usenet.
Here is some evidence of the bogus doctor, who is in good company with
the other bogus 'qualified' kooks in these groups:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/eed75eba652ebd31
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/367018115f8e20fa?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/eed75eba652ebd31?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.research/msg/67d431364fa2ec88
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/23e2a75dd20fc9a5
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:*.sex.*+author:smcqueen%40cyberhighway.net&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&filter=0
http://groups.google.sh/group/sci.med/msg/d3f4e3c9f3786e25?dmode=source
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> HoleFARTer wrote:
> > Does Proby have any credibility left
>
> HoleFARTer
Yes gutter language, all that Frank, Proby and their sock-puppets have
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> HoleFARTer wrote:
> > First off Frank, there is nothing wrong with being gay
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> HoleFARTer wrote:
> > The sock-puppets are just more proof that Proby truly is deranged
> > and clinically insane.
>
> Deal with your own clinical issues, HoleFARTer!
Yes gutter language, all that Frank, Proby and their sock-puppets have
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> HoleFARTer wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 1:54 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> >> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> >> It's definitely the time to put more attention on the vast ADHD
> >> Industry, well represented here by Probert and now 2 new anonymous
> >> Snake-oil Friendly, grownling posters.
>
> >> For too long, the industry voices have drowned out those voices of
> >> families with children harmed by these drugs.
>
> >> Reading Probert's title "Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated" it seems as
> >> with other medical controversies ... industry voice, Snake-oil Probert
> >> has attempted to conect "seven gold" and "medicated."
>
> >> I would love to see alot more studies done and more discussions on
> >> this topic.
>
> >> Bravo to the Phelps Family for all their accomplishments.
>
> > Well stated. Does Proby have any credibility left
>
> Probert is not the issue.
Yes gutter language, all that Frank, Proby and their sock-puppets have
wykoff
> Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
Probert is not the issue.
The issue is your own failure to take responsibility for your own
misconduct.
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFLAPs!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert! Seek help for your problem now!
wykoff
> Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
Probert's good standing as a lawyer in New York is not the issue.
And please shave off your ugly beard!
The 1970's are over!
wykoff
> Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
Probert's good standing as a lawyer in New York is not the issue.
The issue is your own failure to take responsibility for your own
misconduct.
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFLAPs!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert! Seek help for your problem now!
wykoff
> Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
Probert is not the issue.
The issue is your own failure to take responsibility for your own
misconduct.
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFLAPs!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert! Seek help for your problem now!
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> HoleFlapper wrote:
> > Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
>
> Probert is not the issue.
Wrong. See - a disbarred lawyer.
Why do you even post, you obviously need psychiatric care
immediately! Bottom line is that Jan is here and is not going
anywhere, so get used to it. Secondly, Jan will not stop if proving
everything that Proby says is a lie, get used to it. Everything that
Jan and Ilena have posted is backed up by source material, and it is
all highly credible. So let us quit kidding each other. The pro-med
cult has all but a skeleton crew left: Wright, Proby, Stan is only a
partial member now, and some kooky gay guy called Frank. That's it,
except Spam Buddy. The Cult used to have dozens of members, but one
by one they were proven to be frauds. So now the Truth Squads are
winning the war for the hearts and minds of all Earth citizens. The
days of pushing that phony spin-drome ADD are almost over. All that
is left is a mop-up job which hopefully won't take long.
wykoff
> On Aug 17, 7:25 am, wykoff <w...@nathan.org> wrote:
>> HoleFlapper wrote:
>>> Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
>> Probert is not the issue.
>
> Wrong. See - a disbarred lawyer.
Probert's good standing with the NY Bar is not the issue.
Deal with your own clinical issues, WholeLIARer!
You expressed interest in the private parts of other males who post
here. You posted an article asking for free pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert.
You also impersonated a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER.
You also altered a WASHINGTON POST article and passed it off online as
an original.
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
Shave off that ugly beard! Your wife is ashamed to be seen in public
with you!
Mark Probert
"wykoff" <w...@nathan.org> wrote in message asking >asking for free pics of
gay and anal sex.
>
Try alt.binaries.gay
Mark Probert
"Frank" <dawg...@ten.hut> wrote in message news:g87g2b$gap$1...@aioe.org...
> Another parrot post from you, too bad you cannot think for yourself.
>
I have the same problem!
Frank
"Mark Probert" <m...@lumberyard.com> wrote in message
news:g89o2v$lgg$1...@news.tornevall.net...
That is pretty obvious, but you are not a shape shifter so you don't
look like Mark.
Raving
> "Mark Probert" <m...@lumberyard.com> wrote in message
>
> news:g89o2v$lgg$1...@news.tornevall.net...
>
>
>
> >news:g87g2b$gap$1...@aioe.org...
> >> Another parrot post from you, too bad you cannot think for yourself.
>
> > I have the same problem!
>
> That is pretty obvious, but you are not a shape shifter so you don't
> look like Mark.
8 Gold :-)
Frank
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
message
news:2f295c03-f228-4d9d...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
Sir Artio
=================================================
Stupid shit, no clue, bet you had "private" little friends when you grew
up too. Now you have to pretend that one person is another to justify
your stupidity.
Your egotism sticks out like a sore thumb or should I say like your
Pinnochio nose! Sir Dr.
ROTLMAO!
From a valued post who no doubt you will add to your accusations of
socks
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFARTer!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert! Seek help for your problem now!
Frank
>
> "wykoff" <w...@nathan.org> wrote in message asking >asking for free
> pics of gay and anal sex.
>>
> Try alt.binaries.gay
>
You would know art the fart
Frank
============================================
Whoa, didn't take long for you to lump us all together gay boi. You
idiocy projects much further than your Pinocchio nose, which no doubt
tickles Jans fancy.
as to you and your fraudulent behaviors?
Impersonating a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER isn't
something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Altering a WASHINGTON POST article and passing it off online as an
original is not something Probert initiated. YOU ALONE DID THAT!
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, HoleFARTer!
No amount of minimization by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
You also have expressed interest in the private parts of other males who
post on this newsgroup. You also have posted an article asking for free
pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert! Seek help for your problem now!
No wonder you back up Jan and her abusive behaviors.
Nomen Nescio
> Try alt.binaries.gay
fake
Mark Probert
"Frank" <dawg...@ten.hut> wrote in message news:g89k2h$c8s$1...@aioe.org...
Mark Probert
"Frank" <dawg...@ten.hut> wrote in message news:g89kge$g80$1...@aioe.org...
Mark Probert
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 9:34 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 16, 11:45 am, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Update from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> > > Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
> > > current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
> > > mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
> > > her heart. Probert denies it.
>
> > >http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
>
> > > She says this:
> > > According to the National Institute of Mental Health, behavioral
> > > modifications combined with medication management may help your child
> > > with ADHD increase his/her attention span, improve focus and decrease
> > > distractibility in and out of the classroom.http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>
> > > *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
> > > PediatricsTM.
>
> > Disporve the validity of her claims. You cannot.
>
> Wrong, she just did disprove it!! Thank you Ilena. Now go crawl under
> a rock Proby and leave Ilena alone to post truth and documented facts!
> Thanks again Ilena for helping ALL of us!!-
No, idiot, Ms. Rosenthal did not disprove the claim. The facts are
simple:
1. Her son had ADHD
2. He was treated with medications and other treatment modalities.
3. He has set a new Olympic standard of success.
Nothing that Ms. Rosenthal posted disproves any of those three facts.
Mark Probert
> Raving wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 1:22 pm, HoleFARTer wrote:
> > <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
>
> >> Wrong, she just did disprove it!! Thank you Ilena. Now go crawl under
> >> a rock Proby and leave Ilena alone to post truth and documented facts!
> >> Thanks again Ilena for helping ALL of us!!
>
> > Not everyone can have ADHD.
>
> > ... Sorry. :(
>
> HoleFARTer is a patholigical liar.
> He can't help it.
please do not insult pathological liars.
Mark Probert
> Ilena Rose wrote:
> > Update from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
> >http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> > Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
> > current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
> > mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
> > her heart. Probert denies it.
>
> >http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
>
> > She says this:
> > According to the National Institute of Mental Health, behavioral
> > modifications combined with medication management may help your child
> > with ADHD increase his/her attention span, improve focus and decrease
> > distractibility in and out of the classroom.
> >http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>
> > *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
> > PediatricsTM.
>
> have a problem with what is an exceptional performance.
>
> That's the problem with you anti-med kooks, you're always ready to try
> and steal someone's thunder.
Worth repeating.
Mark Probert
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
However, that does nothing to disprove my point. NOTHING.
> Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Not at all. I address the conflicts of interest that Alties ignore.
Mrs. Phelps acknowledged hers. I do not have a problem with that.
> Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
> they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
They mayhave helped, they may not have. Medical evidence strongly
shows that they do help.
> Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
> is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
> for decades.
No, Ms. Rosenthal I am not. My point is, that you and the anti-
medication folks have claimed for years how debilitating, etc. etc.
etc. etc. drugs are. Surely you can see that they did not debiliate
Michael
Sort of like a certain bicyclist who had taken chemotherapy.
> There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
So you say.
> nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
> the information I have read so far.
Read more. It is there. Go find it. Mrs. Phelps has readily
acknoweldged that he was taking medication throughout schooling.
> Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
> Mark S Probert,
There ya go agin! I am not an anonymous poster. Remember, YOU were
wrong twice about me. Two times. Not just once.
I do not use sock puppets or fake names like wholeFARTer.
> yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
> insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
> and other drugs.
I did not insult you.
Mark Probert
> Ilena Rose wrote:
> > Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,
> >http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> > First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> > benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
>
> Her compensation in no way diminishes the truth of what she speaks.
>
> > Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
> > arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> > who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> > various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> > petard.
>
Quite true. However, when they cannot handle the facts, they need a
diversion.
Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.
> ADHD and Mrs. Phelps' statements of how ADHD drugs help her son are.
>
> > Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
> > they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
>
> The fact that her son got to the gold says plenty about whether the ADHD
> drugs helped.
>
> > Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
> > is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
> > for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
> > nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
> > the information I have read so far.
>
> You can't connect that the drugs DID NOT help Phelps get his gold, or
> that Phelps would be in the same position today, vis-a-vis his medals,
> had he NOT TAKEN the drugs.
>
> Hence, for you to say the drugs and his performance ARE NOT connected is
> patently dishonest.
>
> If you have a "hard-on" for Probert, that's a personal issue for you to
> resolve offline.
No thanks.
> > Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
> > Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
> > insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
> > and other drugs.
>
> I haven't seen Probert post anonymously.
Good. If you did, you would be delusional.
> Nor have you proved that he has.
> You're either delusional, or you have a personal issue with the man.
> Either way, it's off topic.
>
> The study posted by Jan Drew is suspect.
> No one, including you, has posted any hard core evidence that the
> dangers of vaccines outweigh the benefits.
>
> Now go stuff your pie hole with more garlic.
Mark Probert
> Probert ... I've been reading more on this topic and your implication
> that he has been medicated while an Olympian 7 Gold medalist.
>
> Surely stimulants such as ADHD meds would be a 'verboten' drug.
I did not imply that he is currently taking any medication.
Garbage deleted.
Mark Probert
> On Aug 16, 11:12 am, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"
>
> <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>
> > Yes, Michael Phelps has ADHD. His mother, a school principal for over
> > 30 years chose to use medications.
>
> > 7 Gold, one to go.
>
> > Go Michael, Go.
>
> 8 Gold.
Correct. Eight.
Mark Probert
A fake post, by a fake person.
Mark Probert
> "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote in messagenews:g87g2b$gap$1...@aioe.org...
> > Another parrot post from you, too bad you cannot think for yourself.
>
> I have the same problem!
A fake post by a fake person.
Mark Probert
> "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote in messagenews:g89k2h$c8s$1...@aioe.org...
>
> > "Mark Probert" <m...@lumberyard.com> wrote in message
> >news:g89o2v$lgg$1...@news.tornevall.net...
>
> >>> Another parrot post from you, too bad you cannot think for yourself.
>
> >> I have the same problem!
>
> > That is pretty obvious, but you are not a shape shifter so you don't look
> > like Mark.
>
> Scat is fun!
Fake post.
Jan Drew
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote.....
On Aug 16, 4:05 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
However, that does nothing to disprove my point. NOTHING.
lol.
> Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Not at all. I address the conflicts of interest that Alties ignore.
Mrs. Phelps acknowledged hers. I do not have a problem with that.
Prove it. You cannot.
> Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
> they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
They mayhave helped, they may not have. Medical evidence strongly
shows that they do help.
Whatever mayhave means.
> Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
> is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
> for decades.
No, Ms. Rosenthal I am not. My point is, that you and the anti-
medication folks have claimed for years how debilitating, etc. etc.
etc. etc. drugs are. Surely you can see that they did not debiliate
Michael
Sort of like a certain bicyclist who had taken chemotherapy.
> There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
So you say.
> nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
> the information I have read so far.
Read more. It is there. Go find it. Mrs. Phelps has readily
acknoweldged that he was taking medication throughout schooling.
> Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
> Mark S Probert,
There ya go agin! I am not an anonymous poster. Remember, YOU were
wrong twice about me. Two times. Not just once.
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
I have no children, Sistah Jan.
As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah!
AloysiousX
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty
clear
who the coward is.
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From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast
implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until
Sistah Ilena mentioned him.
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From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT
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Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...@mb-m18.aol.com
> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard
> Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you
> won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about
> your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic
> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in
> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but I
> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious>
> Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX
Keep on exposing yourself as a liar, Mark S Probert, Merrick and Long
Island, NY.
I do not use sock puppets or fake names like wholeFARTer.
Another day without reading the Torah.
Now, you are up to two MORE lies in this post.
DTABORS.
Jan Drew
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e672717f-aa31-4e26...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
LOL. That Mark S Probert *selectively* replies to.
Jan Drew
On Aug 16, 4:25 pm, wykoff <w...@buu.org> wrote:
> Ilena Rose wrote:
> > Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,
> >http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> > First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> > benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
>
> She's being compensated for her time. Big deal.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/56239a7b2f2959f8
From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated
On Aug 16, 4:05 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
However, that does nothing to disprove my point. NOTHING.
> Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Not at all. I address the conflicts of interest that Alties ignore.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/c0a97f11ddfc8b2a
From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated
> > *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
> > PediatricsTM.
> So what?
Worth repeating.
No thanks.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/56239a7b2f2959f8
From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated
On Aug 16, 4:05 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
However, that does nothing to disprove my point. NOTHING.
> Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Not at all. I address the conflicts of interest that Alties ignore.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/c0a97f11ddfc8b2a
From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated
> > *Debbie Phelps is currently serving as a paid spokesperson for McNeil
> > PediatricsTM.
> So what?
Worth repeating.
markprob...@lumbercartel.com" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aca8772b-3907-495e...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
> Yes, Michael Phelps has ADHD. His mother, a school principal for over
> 30 years chose to use medications.
> 7 Gold, one to go.
> Go Michael, Go.
Sponsored by:
http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net
McNeil PediatricsT, Division of Ortho-McNeil-Janssen Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/products.html
Concerta.
Concerta Side Effects include:
_ abdominal pain
_ aggravation, nervousness, hostility, sadness
_ drug dependence
_ dizziness
_ headache
_ tics
_ insomnia and prolonged sleepiness
_ loss of appetite
_ increased coughing, sinusitis, upper respiratory tract infection
_ vomiting
_ allergic reaction
_ increased blood pressure
_ psychosis (abnormal thinking or hallucinations).
Based on these studies, the most common side effects of Concerta include:
Loss of appetite -- in up to 25.3 percent of people
Headaches -- up to 22.2 percent
Dry mouth -- up to 14 percent
Nausea -- up to 12.8 percent
Insomnia -- up to 12.3 percent
Tics (uncontrolled movements) -- up to 9 percent
Upper respiratory infections (similar to the common cold) -- up to 8 percent
Abdominal pain (or stomach pain) -- up to 7 percent.
Other common side effects (occurring in 2 to 7 percent of people) included:
Dizziness
Weight loss (see Concerta and Weight Loss)
Accidental injury
Irritability
Increased sweating
Vomiting
Loss of appetite
Cough
Irritated or sore throat
Sinus infection or irritation
Fever
Irritated or runny nose
Shakiness (tremor)
Ingestion or heartburn
Painful menstrual periods
Diarrhea.
Concerta can also cause a temporary slowing of growth in children. This
slowing of growth is usually small, and children usually catch up to within
normal limits in time.
(You can also read about other possible Concerta side effects by going to:
Concerta Sexual Side Effects
Concerta and Thyroid Problems
Concerta and Hair Loss.)
Suicidal thoughts
Confusion
Anxiety
Chest tightness or chest pain or heart palpitations
A rapid heart rate (tachycardia)
Shortness of breath
Depression (see Concerta and Depression)
More outgoing or aggressive behavior than normal
Strange behavior, agitation, or restlessness
Hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not really
there)
Fainting or seizures
Uncontrolled movements of the head, neck, mouth, arms, or legs (known as
tics)
Signs of an allergic reaction, including an unexplained skin rash, itching,
hives, wheezing or trouble breathing, or unexplained swelling.
http://adhd.emedtv.com/concerta/concerta-side-effects.html
The issue is YOU taking responsibility for your own misconduct!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/96f2269de7a8bdbc
Frank
"Raving" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:70bb02d5-2e54-46de...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
Yes! And great to watch.
Frank
---------------------------------------------------------
We know it is a fake post, but sadly the idiot is real.
Frank
"Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:893qk.18153$cW3....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
Naw, we'll simply call you a liar and accused child abuser.
Please use lots of "green" lights. They have mercury in them. Also be
sure to use an electronic air cleaner, a video monitor for your
computer, any version will do. They all produce ozone.
Frank
No doubt part of your cuisine.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> WholeLIAR wrote:
> > On Aug 17, 7:25 am, wykoff <w...@nathan.org> wrote:
> >> HoleFlapper wrote:
> >>> Yes, Proby a disbarred lawyer
> >> Probert is not the issue.
>
> > Wrong. See - a disbarred lawyer.
>
> Probert's good standing with the NY Bar is not the issue.
>
Ha-ha-ha-ha. That's a good one!!
stanw
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 1:05 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> > First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> > benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
>
> > arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> > who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> > various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> > petard.
>
> > they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
>
> > is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
> > for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
> > nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
> > the information I have read so far.
>
> > Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
> > insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
> > and other drugs.
>
> him. Thank YOU so much Ilena, you post documented facts, of course
> the pro-med cult hates facts, because they are so used to lying.
>
> >Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
>
> That's our Proby. He is such a sad little man. With his new problem
> I do hope he finds treatment and a long-term care home, he needs it
> now more than ever.
>
> Hooray of Ilena and honest scientific facts.
>
> Sir Artio- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As quoted from Jerry Kolnick..."Yes, it is Proby's alter-ego known as
"Frank" - the uh, gay side of him"
Oh, for the luv o' Christ! Didn't you just ten minutes ago
attempt a faux-indignant finger wag at Mark for being all kinds of -
obic or -ist? That accusation coming from anyone is laughable on its
face. Coming from you it is downright pants-peeingly absurd! Pot,
kettle, black - doc. Heal thyself!
-stan
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Demonstrably wrong, it IS the issue! How does a disbarred lawyer have
a good standing? Please respond.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> Update from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.om
>
> Pharma Shill and Vaccination Flack, disbarred NY former attorney, and
> current Healthfraud / Quackwatch spokeshill, Mark S Probert forgot to
> mention that Mrs. Phelps is a paid Pharma Flack. She admits it, bless
> her heart. Probert denies it.
>
> http://www.mcneilpediatrics.net/mcneilpediatrics/index.html
>
> She says this:
> According to the National Institute of Mental Health, behavioral
> modifications combined with medication management may help your child
> with ADHD increase his/her attention span, improve focus and decrease
> distractibility in and out of the classroom.http://www.facebook.com/ADHDMoms
>
> PediatricsTM.
Thank you! Good material.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
>
> Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
>
> Third, Mrs. Phelps said "may" ... maybe the ADHD drugs help ... maybe
> they don't. Again, bravo to her for this degree of honesty.
>
> Fourth, no one is taking thunder from anyone but Probert the Flack who
> is someone trying to connect 7 Gold Medals and the drugs he has pushed
> for decades. There is no evidence whatsoever they are connected ...
> nor is the drug history of this fine athlete known at this point from
> the information I have read so far.
>
> Fifth ... typical response from an anonymous poster who may well be
> Mark S Probert, yet again posting anonymously to defend himself and
> insult those of us raising awareness to the dangers of vaccinations
> and other drugs.
Once again, Proby and his sock-puppets have been proven to be frauds
and liars.
> Second, Disbarred & shamed attorney Mark S Probert has a long,
> arduous, and extremely aggressive & ugly history of attacking anyone
> who has received any funding whatsoever and speaks of the dangers of
> various drugs & vaccinations ... he yet again, is hoisted by his own
> petard.
Wow, that is an open and shut case. What is great about this is that
it isn't something that was initiated by any member of this newsgroup
like everything these bums make up. Proby DOES have an ugly history.
So true so true. Perhaps he will finally seek treatment for his
madness!
wykoff
> Keep on exposing yourself as a liar, Mark S Probert, Merrick and Long
> Island, NY.
>
> I do not use sock puppets or fake names like wholeFARTer.
>
> Another day without reading the Torah.
> Now, you are up to two MORE lies in this post.
> DTABORS.
You're starting to sound like Linda Gore.
People on usenet are plotting against you?
Hearing voices? Getting special messages from the computer??
wykoff
> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:893qk.18153$cW3....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.
>
> Naw, we'll simply call you a liar and accused child abuser.
Why hasn't anyone found a valid daycare license in Indiana listed in
the name of Jan Drew??
wykoff
> Jerry Kolnick wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is Probys alter-ego known as "Frank" - the uh, gay side of
>> him.
>
> Oh, for the luv o' Christ! Didn't you just ten minutes ago
> attempt a faux-indignant finger wag at Mark for being all kinds of -
> obic or -ist? That accusation coming from anyone is laughable on its
> face. Coming from you isn't pants-peeingly absurd! Pot, kettle,
> black - doc. Heal thyself!
>
> -stan
BBBWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Give it up, Jerry!
wykoff
> Demonstrably wrong, it IS the issue! How does a disbarred lawyer have
> a good standing? Please respond.
Mark Probert's law license is not the subject of this thread.
You expressed interest in the private parts of other males who post
here. You posted an article asking for free pics of gay and anal sex.
You are a pervert.
You also impersonated a medical doctor named DR. RICHARD X. FRAGER.
You also altered a WASHINGTON POST article and passed it off online as
an original.
Your ISP's were notified by the Washington Post's original article
reporter/author, as they should have been been.
You got booted by your ISP's for fraudulently posing as a medical
doctor, as you should have been.
No amount of subterfuge by you will mitigate to any degree WHAT YOU
ALONE DID!
Now go shave off that ugly beard! The 1970's are long gone!
Mark Probert
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Quite true.
Mark Probert
Stanw is OK people. I know him for years.
David Wright
>HoleFARTer wrote:
>> Does Proby have any credibility left
>
>HoleFARTer aka Jerry Kolnick of Portland, Oregaon pretended to be a
>doctor, and he did hand out bad advice. He was booted from one ISP for
>this, and from another for unfairly quoting excessive amounts of
>printed work in Usenet.
>
>Here is some evidence of the bogus doctor, who is in good company with
>the other bogus 'qualified' kooks in these groups:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/eed75eba652ebd31
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/367018115f8e20fa?dmode=source
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.visitors/msg/eed75eba652ebd31?dmode=source
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien.research/msg/67d431364fa2ec88
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/23e2a75dd20fc9a5
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:*.sex.*+author:smcqueen%40cyberhighway.net&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&filter=0
>
>http://groups.google.sh/group/sci.med/msg/d3f4e3c9f3786e25?dmode=source
Is he this guy?
http://podcasting.meetup.com/5/members/7532801/
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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"There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers."
-- John Dolan
Frank
Ilena Rose
Myrl
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Ilena - Please get professional help! You are seeing boogey men
cartels everywhere, once again, or even still!
Coleah
> "wykoff" <w...@nathan.org> wrote in messagenews:g8bfcb$sg4$3...@aioe.org...
> > Frank wrote:
> >> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >>news:893qk.18153$cW3....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> >>> Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.
>
> >> Naw, we'll simply call you a liar and accused child abuser.
>
> > Why hasn't anyone found a valid daycare license in Indiana listed in
> > the name of Jan Drew??
>
> Or listed phone number?
Or listed phone number?
(812) 332-0303
mark.p...@gmail.com
> On Aug 19, 12:00 am, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote:> "wykoff" <w...@nathan.org> wrote in messagenews:g8bfcb$sg4$3...@aioe.org...
> > > Frank wrote:
> > >>
> > >>news:893qk.18153$cW3....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> > >>> Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.
>
> > >> Naw, we'll simply call you a liar and accused child abuser.
>
> > > Why hasn't anyone found a valid daycare license in Indiana listed in
>
> > Or listed phone number?
>
> -------------------------------------
> Or listed phone number?
>
I have been the vicitim of "exposure" by some real assholes. Do not
emulate them.
harry
"Ilena Rose" <B...@mundo.com> wrote in message
news:f19ra4hlpe8qt94fr...@4ax.com...
> Note from Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover,
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> First, Mrs. Phelps admitted that she is paid by a Pharma Biz that will
> benefit from more sales of their job. Bravo to her for that.
Mrs. Phelps made no statement whatsoever about "benefit from more sales."
Jan Drew
"markp...@lumbercartel.com" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a0ea1c18-e051-4ab1...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
==============================
Oh. boo hoo. Play the vicitim.
FACT, you, Mark S Probert have been exposed by your very own words.
Now, could you please tell use where you found the one ( I will not type it)
word
in the Torah that you claim to read everyday?
Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 29 for Mark Probert
vicitm
Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of about 1,170 for Mark
Probert asshole
Coleah
> "markprob...@lumbercartel.com" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
----------------------------------
As you can see, Mark, "Exposure" did not bother
Jan Drew.....not one little bit.
Frank
"Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:2b057ad8-6303-4c5a...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
Interesting, so the old lady is still listed as "principal". rotfl
Thanks, more info than I needed to know.
Tax audit to follow? Fees paid up? etc. etc.
Peter Bowditch
Yep. He came down on her side and all she can do is whine, rather than
say "Thank you".
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