Who Is Wholeflaffers?//An Honest Researcher and Humanitarian!!
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
M. Berman says...
>
>who or what is this wholeflaffers character??? is he for real or just
>some nut?
>
>Jerry M. Berman USA 2002
Thank you for your question Mr. Berman. First off,
please disregard what my detractors say.
I have exposed them as spOOks (Echelon, O-BORG),
kOOks, trolls, low-level operative and members
of the Cult of Useful Idiots.
All my information is 100% accurate,
verifiable and totally reliable.
But this is a group about the alien presence,
so shall we get on with what these newsgroups
are all about??
Question: What level of proof is adequate proof, then?
Stanton Friedman:
I talk in terms of evidence. The legal profession recognizes certain standards:
in a civil court, "preponderance of the evidence;" in a criminal court, "beyond
a reasonable doubt." I think there is, right now, quite sufficient evidence.
Given the physical trace cases, the radar sightings, the photographs and the
eye-witness testimony from people all over the world, we have quite sufficient
evidence to conclude that our planet is being visited by manufactured objects
behaving in ways that we Earthlings cannot yet duplicate, and that therefore
were produced someplace else. Now, the reason for that little kicker about not
being able to duplicate: every government in the world would love to be able to
duplicate UFO flying capabilities. If we could build these things, we would be
building them. So, if they weren't built here, they were built someplace else.
There's nothing exotic about that. It's not charismatic handwaving, it's
perfectly good reasoning. We have an adequate amount of evidence today to
clearly establish that some悠 emphasize some誘FOs are alien spacecraft. And I
would take on anybody who says we don't. I would say it's entirely because they
haven't reviewed that evidence, which is very different from saying there is no
evidence.
Whjoopd
1. Mike Schrimshaw <mich...@sun.aracnet.com> (employee of aracnet)
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> Is this true? And if not, on what grounds did he lose
> his account, and/or was there any evidence?
No, this is not true. We terminated Jerry Kolnick's account because
he signed up for service with Aracnet under an assumed name (that was
not a legal alias); while he maintained that his name was Dr. Richard X.
Frager, he would not show us an Oregon drivers license, nor would he show us
proof of being a license medical doctor. Since he falsified information on
his account application, we terminated his service.
Mike Schrimshaw
Systems Engineer
Aracnet Internet Services
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2. Kyle Robinson <grey...@aracnet.com> (employee of aracnet)________________________________________________________________________
He was shut off because he was claiming to be a doctor. When aproached
about it, he couldn't produce a medical license or doctorial certificate
to prove he was who he said he was. Here in the state of Oregon,
practicing medicine without a license is a _big_ no-no. A legitimate
doctor shouldn't have had a problem getting us proof, which this person
couldn't do.
> Is this true? And if not, on what grounds did he lose
> his account, and/or was there any evidence?
The onus of proof was on him, since he was in question. He couldn't prove
that he was a doctor, yet he was posting and giving medical advise as one.
When questioned, he tried to deny it, but we had the logs and headers of
his posts. We don't want that on our system. We refused him further
service, and last I saw, he's got an account on another provider and could
again be saying he's a doctor.
-Kyle
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3. Felix Martin <fe...@aracnet.com> (employee of aracnet)________________________________________________________________________
It is a felony in the State of Oregon to represent yourself as a Doctor,
an Engineer or a Lawyer. It is in our system agreement that aracnet will
be only used for lawful purposes. We do not want to be liable or part of
any deception. As far as I know there are several people in this State
gathering information for a possible indictment against this person. I
cannot comment further. This user lied in his application and that by
itself is grounds enough for termination. He had his opportunity to
present verifiable information. FYI he has been kicked off from other
systems.
fe...@aracnet.com [FM88] www.aracnet.com
all modems +1 503 626 6873 33.6 v.34+ in...@aracnet.com
"Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:ME%79.35917$15.1...@www.newsranger.com...
> clearly establish that some-I emphasize some-UFOs are alien spacecraft. And I
Widdershins
> M. Berman says...
> >
> >who or what is this wholeflaffers character??? is he for real or just
> >some nut?
> >
> >Jerry M. Berman USA 2002
>
> Thank you for your question Mr. Berman. First off,
> please disregard what my detractors say.
>
> I have exposed them as spOOks (Echelon, O-BORG),
> kOOks, trolls, low-level operative and members
> of the Cult of Useful Idiots.
>
> All my information is 100% accurate,
> verifiable and totally reliable.
Abso-fucking-lutely correct! Tell him about how you used to pose
as a doctor on the attention deficit support groups; handing out
medical opinion and advice. That is until you got caught and busted
by the Oregon medical authorites. You were quiet for a long time
after that little episode, weren't you, "Dr, Frager?"
Everything you said could be verified.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Everything was totally reliable except when you were asked about your
"medical degree." You never did manage an answer to the question
about where you got it.
You're a fraud, Artie. You know it, everybody who has been posting here
for more than a week knows it, and now your new friend Mr. Berman
knows it too, unless of course, he's a Holeslapper sock puppet.
You're the most unbelieveable poster here, Artie, and as such, the best
friend a debunker ever had.
Thanks ever so,
Your pal,
Widdershins
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
says...
Nothing at all about aliens, UFOs or the research of both,
which makes Wider-Sham a troll, at the very least!!
Ignore this Useful Idiot, he has been posting for
years and contributed nothing useful!!
But not to worry, I ALWAYS post material about
the subject matter!!
Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry, is quoted as saying in
1954, "UFOs are conceived and directed by intelligent beings of a very high
order. They probably do not originate in our solar system, perhaps not even in
our galaxy." Years later he was quoted as saying, "We cannot take the credit
for our record advancement
in certain scientific fields alone. We have been helped." When asked by whom,
he replied, "The people of other worlds."
Oberth made his statement to a group of reporters in 1959 or 1960 upon his
retirement. But Oberth wasn't alone in such pronouncements.
Wilbert B. Smith was a Canadian electrical engineer. Following an interview
with physicist Robert Sarbacher back in 1950, in which Sarbacher confirmed the
existence of crashed saucers and the recovery of alien bodies, Smith got the
Canadian government to establish Project Magnet, an attempt to understand and
duplicate flying saucer performance. This has all been well-documented from
Smith's notes of his meeting with Sarbacher, confirmation by Sarbacher in the
1980s, and various declassified Canadian government documents.
Smith gave a tape-recorded speech in Ottawa, Canada on March 31, 1958, in which
he summarized findings of a two-year UFO investigation, including a series of
communications with intelligences claiming to be extraterrestrial and laboratory
experiments suggested by these entities that confirmed the validity of their
alien science. The transcript of Smith's speech is in "Flying Saucer Review,"
Sept/Oct 1963, pp. 13-16.
Timothy Good in "Above Top Secret" (p. 205) also noted that Smith wrote an
article in 1958 in which he said that contact had been established with the
occupants of UFOs and that he had learned a great deal from investigating these
contacts. He wrote, "But it soon became apparent that there was a very real and
quite large gap between this alien science and the science in which I had been
trained. Certain crucial experiments were suggested and carried out, and in
each case the results confirmed the validity of the alien science. Beyond this
point the alien science just seemed to be incomprehensible.
Mark Shippey
> Nothing at all about aliens, UFOs
Yes, he did post about UFOS --> Usenet Freaky Oddballs --> YOU!
Robert ASF.
snipo
> First off,
>please disregard what my detractors say.
I agree. Read the dok and then make up your own mind... I
am sure that will be enough to have your name placed on the dok's
hate list.
>I have exposed them
You walk around them and open your trenchcoat?
snip
Just Thought I Should Mention It
Widdershins
> In article <d8edab8c.02081...@posting.google.com>, Widdershins
> says...
>
> Nothing at all about aliens, UFOs or the research of both,
> which makes Wider-Sham a troll, at the very least!!
> Ignore this Useful Idiot, he has been posting for
> years and contributed nothing useful!!
But I did answer Mr. Berman's question about you truthfully, which
is more than you did.
>
> But not to worry, I ALWAYS post material about
> the subject matter!!
Attempt at ditraction from Mr. Berman's question noted. You really do
suck at this, Kolnik.
>
> Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry,
To people who know, Charles Goddard is awarded that title.
> is quoted as saying in
> 1954, "UFOs are conceived and directed by intelligent beings of a very high
> order. They probably do not originate in our solar system, perhaps not even in
> our galaxy."
That's true. They were Germans who read Goddard's work and built on it.
> Years later he was quoted as saying, "We cannot take the credit
> for our record advancement
> in certain scientific fields alone. We have been helped." When asked by whom,
> he replied, "The people of other worlds."
>
> Oberth made his statement to a group of reporters in 1959 or 1960 upon his
> retirement. But Oberth wasn't alone in such pronouncements.
Salem has a hospital just full of people who make similar pronouncements. They
are just as credible Oberth, and far more so than you.
>
> Wilbert B. Smith was a Canadian electrical engineer. Following an interview
> with physicist Robert Sarbacher back in 1950, in which Sarbacher confirmed the
> existence of crashed saucers and the recovery of alien bodies, Smith got the
> Canadian government to establish Project Magnet, an attempt to understand and
> duplicate flying saucer performance. This has all been well-documented from
> Smith's notes of his meeting with Sarbacher, confirmation by Sarbacher in the
> 1980s, and various declassified Canadian government documents.
>
> Smith gave a tape-recorded speech in Ottawa, Canada on March 31, 1958, in which
> he summarized findings of a two-year UFO investigation, including a series of
> communications with intelligences claiming to be extraterrestrial and laboratory
> experiments suggested by these entities that confirmed the validity of their
> alien science. The transcript of Smith's speech is in "Flying Saucer Review,"
> Sept/Oct 1963, pp. 13-16.
More "just-so" stories, but no hard, unambiguous, physical evidence. Something
that artie and his cohorts go nuts about. All they have is a bunch of pot
banging, and hand waving, but no *real* evidence.
>
> Timothy Good in "Above Top Secret" (p. 205) also noted that Smith wrote an
> article in 1958 in which he said that contact had been established with the
> occupants of UFOs and that he had learned a great deal from investigating these
> contacts. He wrote, "But it soon became apparent that there was a very real and
> quite large gap between this alien science and the science in which I had been
> trained. Certain crucial experiments were suggested and carried out, and in
> each case the results confirmed the validity of the alien science. Beyond this
> point the alien science just seemed to be incomprehensible.
More fantasy. Too bad.
Widdershins
Ugly Bob
> In article <d8edab8c.02081...@posting.google.com>, Widdershins
> says...
>
> Nothing at all about aliens, UFOs or the research of both,
> which makes Wider-Sham a troll, at the very least!!
Which makes him better than a common criminal, assuming
he is a troll (which he isn't). He's not calling himself "Doctor
Widdershins," is he?
> Ignore this Useful Idiot, he has been posting for
> years and contributed nothing useful!!
>
> But not to worry, I ALWAYS post material about
> the subject matter!!
>
> Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry, is quoted as saying in
<snip>
The father of modern rocketry is Robert Goddard.
http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Sgoddard.htm
I'm not aware of anything Oberth did, other than make
a movie back in the twenties, except talk a good game.
http://www.kjenkins49.fsnet.co.uk/fr.htm#mond
Goddard actually went out there and developed the
technology from the ground up. Here's Godddard
doing some field work:
http://www.phy.mtu.edu/apod/ap980718.html
Did Oberth actually _do_ anything?
-Ugly Bob
Harry Bosch
"Dumbo Phony Holeflapper" <nos...@newsranger.com finaly tells the truth
news:pgj89.36086$15.1...@www.newsranger.com...
>
> Nothing at all about aliens, UFOs or the research of both,
> which makes Holeflapper a troll, at the very least!!
> Ignore this Useful Idiot, he has been posting for
> years and contributed nothing useful!!
>
> But not to worry, I NEVER post material about
> the subject matter anyway!!
>
> Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry, is quoted as saying in
> 1954, "UFOs are conceived and directed by intelligent beings of a very
high
> order. They probably do not originate in our solar system, perhaps not
even in
> our galaxy." Years later he was quoted as saying, "We cannot take the
credit
> for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone. We have
been
> helped." When asked by whom, he replied, "The people of Oregon Home
> Spaceship High Invisibility Technology, Inc.". Oberth made his statement
to a
> group of reporters in 1959 or 1960 upon his retirement. But Oberth
wasn't alone \
> in such pronouncements.
>
> Dumbo Holeflapper was an insane idiot . Following an interview with
physicist
> O. Mie Achenback back in 1950, in which Achenback confirmed the
> existence of crashed saucers and the recovery of alien bodies,
Holeflapper tried to
> get the Canadian government to establish Project Mugwump, an attempt to
> steal flying saucer performance data. The Canadian Government
immidiatly
> returned Holeflapper and Achenback to the insane asylum. This has all
been
> well-documented from. Holeflappers notes of his meeting with Achenback,
confirmation
> by Holeflapper in the 1980s, and various declassified Canadian government
documents.
>
> Holeflapper escaped the asylum and gave a tape-recorded speech in
Ottawa, Canada
> on March 31, 1958, in which he fantasized findings of a two-year UFO
investigation,
> including a series of communications with intelligences claiming to be
extraterrestrial
> and laboratory experiments suggested by these entities that confirmed the
validity of their
> alien science. The transcript of Holeflapper's speech is in "Amazing
Stories,"
> Aug. 1942 pp. 33-36.
> Poopie Puppet in "Above The Scum" (p. 105) also noted that Holeflapper
was totally
> insane. wrote Holeflapper also wrote an article in 1998 in which he said
that contact
> had been established with the occupants of UFOs and that he had learned a
great deal
> from investigating these contacts. He wrote, "But it soon became
apparent that this was
> only a wet dream. Holeflapper claimed that there was quite large gap
between this alien
> science and the science in which He had been trained. Certain crucial
experiments were
> suggested and carried out, and in each case the results confirmed the
alien science was
> also a wet dream. Beyond this point the alien science just seemed to be
BS.
Now we know.
Regards,
--
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Harry
King of the Usenet Debunker Spooks
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Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
says...
>You're the most unbelieveable poster here, Artie, and as such, the best
>friend a debunker ever had.
Whatever you say Widder-Sham!! The thing is I post
information relevant to these newsgroups, and you don't.
I know you got laughed out of the Seattle newsgroup,
perhaps I can help you get back into them!!
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DUTCH ABDUCTION REPORTS MATCH U.S. PATTERN
by Filip Coppens
At a recent UFO meeting in Holland, Dutch hypnotherapist Hilda Musch presented
an illustrated lecture on the abduction phenomenon. So far, she has counseled
over 80 people whom she believes are abductees. Hilda asks her patients to draw
what they saw, as a means of emotional release and coping with the situation.
Her abductees see scenes and beings identical to what is reported in the
American abduction literature: grey beings, with a taller being in control,
ice-cold surroundings, "mindscans", baby- and fetus presentations, etc.
Hilda has drawings from children (the youngest she counseled was 4 years old)
and adults. While there are obvious differences in style, all depict the same
characteristics. Hilda showed how all, independent of one another, drew the
"examination room," in which the abductee was examined, as a round enclosure
with a large opening, a door, at one end. Above are two curved lines, a detail
not mentioned frequently, but still drawn by a majority of people who had
recollections of being in such a room.
Also at this lecture was a woman named Ine, an abductee. One evening, she was
walking outside her house with her husband and other relatives. All saw a UFO
arrive and disappear. Not all of them saw the UFO up close, but Ine and her
sister-in-law did. At that time, Ine was four months pregnant. The day
afterwards, when she got up, she noticed her belly was "small" again. Her
husband believed that as the day progressed, it would "show pregnant" again; but
it didn't. Therefore she consulted a doctor, who informed her she had been
pregnant, but the baby was gone. The day before, she had also visited the
doctor, who had confirmed the baby was alright.
"I was really pregnant, and have documents to prove I was," Ine said. [If this
is true, it would be one of the first fully documented instances of "missing
fetus" associated with abduction. Though this claim is often heard, a number of
researchers in the United States have tried without success to locate medical
histories of pregnant women that clearly demonstrate a missing fetus under such
conditions. - ed.]
Under hypnosis, Ine was able to remember certain details; a beam of light from
the UFO touched her belly and "took" the baby away. She did not see any beings.
Ine had had children before, and one since who suffers from some form of
mycosis. She believes this might be "abduction-related."
Holland is slowly but definitely learning about UFO abductions, mainly through
the work of Hilda Musch, who wrote about the phenomenon in several magazines,
including magazines for the clinical community. Clinicians frequently refer
clients to Hilda Musch whom they feel might be abductees.
Hilda Musch has no idea what the phenomenon might be about, but she does report
that a majority of the abductees are told that "they" are "doing this" because
of what we do with this planet. And that is a clear echo of what Professor John
Mack has heard from American abductees.
Widdershins
> In article <d8edab8c.02081...@posting.google.com>, Widdershins
> says...
>
> >You're the most unbelieveable poster here, Artie, and as such, the best
> >friend a debunker ever had.
>
> Whatever you say Widder-Sham!! The thing is I post
> information relevant to these newsgroups, and you don't.
> I know you got laughed out of the Seattle newsgroup,
> perhaps I can help you get back into them!!
> - - - -
>
Snip canned screed. When are you ever going to post somerthing original,
Artie?
Do you really post relevant information? What was that WTC/Nuke conspiracy
thread about? UFOs? Only if the aircraft that struck the towers were from off
world.
BTW Just when was I supposed to have been laughed off the Seattle groups?
I have other duties (you might be able to guess what they are), and I
I had to cut back somewhere. Tell about the time you quit posting after your
Dr. Frager fraud was reported to the Oregon medical authorities.
Your alien Buddy,
Widdershins
Mr. XXXX
Widdershins
The subject line says it all.
Widdershins