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Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources

From:
The Babylonian Talmud
Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
London
The Soncino Press 1935

<<Tavish Comment-> Please Note: When you see something such as {3}, this means a
numbered footnote for further reference. Words and phrases in { } and [ ] are as
the appeared in the Talmud.>>

<Gittin 57a on page 261 of above Talmud volume>:
He [Onkelos son of Kolonikos] then went and raised Balaam by incantations. He
asked him: Who is in repute in the other world? He [Balaam] replied: Israel.
What then, he said, about joining them? He replied: Thou shalt not seek their
peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever. {2} He then asked: What is
your punishment? He replied: With boiling hot semen. {3} He then raised up by
incantations the sinners of Israel. {4} He asked them: What is your punishment?
They replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever
mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot excrement.

Footnotes:
{2} Deut. XXIII, 7
{3} Because he enticed Israel to go astray.. V. Sanh. 106a
{4} [MS. M. Jesus]

X-reference to footnote {3} Sanhedrin 106a says:
{11} [According to the view that all Balaam passages are anti-Christian in
tendency, Balaam being used as an alias for Jesus, Phineas the Robber is taken
to represent Pontius Pilate, and the Chronicle of Balaam to denote a Gospel.]

The footnote above belongs to contents of <Sanhedrin 106a on page 725 of the
Talmud volume>:
A certain min {8} said to Rabbi Hanina: Hast thou heard how old Balaam was?- He
replied: It was actually stated, but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful
men shall not live out half their days. {9} [it follows that] he was
thirty-three or thirty-four years old. {10} He rejoined: Thou hast said
correctly: I personally have seen Balaam's Chronicle in which it is stated,
'Balaam the lame was thirty years old when Phineas the Robber killed him. {11}

Footnotes:
{8} Heretic
{9} Ps LV, 24
{10} cf. p.471, n. i
{11} [According to the view that all Balaam passages are anti-Christian in
tendency, Balaam being used as an alias for Jesus, Phineas the Robber is taken
to represent Pontius Pilate, and the Chronicle of Balaam to denote a Gospel.]
_______________________________________

"It is clear that, therefore, that the Jewish legends deny the resurrection of
Jesus; the halakic assertion that Balaam (i.e. the prototype of Jesus) had no
part in the future life.... It is further said: 'The pupils of the recreant
Balaam inherit hell.'" Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1905) page 172

On page 170 of the same encyclopedia under "In Jewish Legend" we see: "The
Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three sources, each independent
of the others-(1) in New Testament apocrypha and Christian polemical works, (2)
in the Talmud and the Midrash, and (3) in the life of Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu")
that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency of all these sources to
belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and
a shameful death."

Further on the same page of the same encyclopedia, in the second column, half
way down we see: "All the "Toledot" editions contain a [similar] story of a
dispute which Jesus carried on with the Scribes who, on the ground of that
dispute, declared him to be a bastard."

Turning the page in the same Universal Jewish Encyclopedia
(1905) to page 171 we see: "According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i.
28) and to the Talmud (Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed
his miracles by means of it..... Different in nature is the witchcraft
attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot." .... The accusation of magic is frequently
brought against Jesus."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Small review: From all the above verifiable sources we learn that the Talmud
states that Balaam whilst in the other world or afterlife has as a punishment-
boiling hot semen. We also learn from the footnotes and what the Universal
Jewish Encyclopedia said of who Balaam is- Jesus. The Talmud says that Jesus is
boiling in hot semen. We also saw in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia that his
"pupils" are in Hell as well. These are the ones that are being punished with
the boiling excrement!

New additions January 27, 2004:

http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm
(Link active January 27, 2004. Archived locally as: noahide_yeshu)
Who Was Jesus?
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to
test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a
member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would
have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power
to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to
seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to
Judaism...

The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a
"king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away with
the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkos
— the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.)...

1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into
idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of
subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a)... <END>

See the Rabbi who espoused the anti-Christ rants above:
http://www.noahide.com/rebbe.jpg
(Archived locally as: rebbe.jpg)

There is much anti-Christic anti-Christism at that Rabbi's web site!!

----------------

Study guide: http://www.cuc.claremont.edu/bible/SGuide.htm
http://www.cuc.claremont.edu/bible/SGuide1c.htm
(Link active January 27, 2004. Archived locally as: claremont-edu_SGuide1c)

The Mishna (ca. 200 CE), and the commentaries upon it that constitute the two
Talmuds (ca. 400-600 CE) are highly detailed discussions of many aspects of
Jewish laws and customs, many of them (e.g. on the Sabbath and on criminal
trials) apparently pertinent to the life of Jesus. The question is: how many of
these regulations or practices were current in Jesus' lifetime? Modern
scholarship on Jesus is increasingly reluctant to use these once highly regarded
heuristic tools for an under standing of 1st century Judaism; see Jacob Neusner,
Rabbinic Judaism and NT Christianity. What We Cannot Know. What We Do Not Know,
1994). The rabbinic writings likewise once contained some (later censored)
passages that obliquely referred to Jesus ("Jeshua ben Pandera," "Ben Stada"),
his trial and his death. According to them, he was executed, after a Jewish
trial and on Jewish authority , for "sorcery and enticing Israel to apostasy."
(cf. Josephus, War 6: 288): Wilson 1984: 62: "Because of its earlier date it is
the Mishna (ca. 200) that is most relevant to the life of Jesus; though it does
not make itself make direct reference to him, its supplements, the Baraitha and
Tosefta, both equally earl y, do so at least five times. In each instance...the
man referred to may be confidently identified with the Jesus of Christianity:"

It has been taught: On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu...because he
practiced sorcery and enticed and led Israel astray. (Baraitha BT Sanhedrin 43a)

[...]

<END>

This proof is a real dilly!

http://www.hanefesh.com/Jewish-Christian_Talk.htm
(Link Active January 27, 2004. Archived locally as: Jewish-Christian_Talk)
Hanefesh - Hebrew Research Center -- Hanfesh: National Assembly of Hebrew
Students

Why the Jew rejected Jesus as the Messiah, for 2,000 years?

It is important to understand why Jews don't believe in Jesus as the messiah.
The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the
Jewish position. The more data that's available, the better -informed choices
people can make about their spiritual path...

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on
"claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that
God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test
Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he
performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has
lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through
magic or sorcery....

<END>

Thus again Jews attribute sorcery to Jesus! What did Jesus say about the people
who claimed he did his miracles by the works of demons and why would he view
them any different today?

Jesus said there was only one unforgivable sin and that sin was made ~2000 years
ago and it is still being done today and by the same people Christendom still
falsely claims are God's Chosen People!

Here is what Jesus said of the Children of the Devil (Belial):
First I will identify Belial:
http://www.belial.org/enbib/whois.htm (Archived locally as: belial_whois)
"...the ruler of all these newly-made demons was the Prince of Evil, known as
(among other things) Satan, Lucifer, Leviathan and Belial. The fallen angels,
who earlier had worked hard for God, became pure, independent and the foremost
enemies of the Christians."

John 8:
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..

Notice the Jews said Jesus was demon-possessed? They attributed Jesus' miracles
to demons and magic and here is what Jesus stated concerning such blasphemy:

Matthew 12:22-37 :: New International Version (NIV)
Jesus and Beelzebub
22 Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus
healed him, so that he could both talk and see.
23 All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub, the
prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against
itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will
not stand.
26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his
kingdom stand?
27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them
out? So then, they will be your judges.
28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has
come upon you.
29 "Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his
possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30 "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me
scatters.
31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the
blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone
who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or
in the age to come.

Verse 32 plainly states what the only unforgivable sin is!!

33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its
fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of
the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the
evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.
36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for
every careless word they have spoken.
37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be
condemned."

Mark 3:28-30 :: New International Version (NIV)
28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven
them.
29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is
guilty of an eternal sin."
30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

WHO THE SCRIPTURES IDENTIFY AS ANTI-CHRISTS AND WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOUT
THOSE WHO GIVE THEM GREETINGS:

1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."

1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"

1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."

2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."

That last sentence which says: "For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer
in his wicked works." is pretty strong advice!

YOU PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO FOLLOW JESUS BUT WHO EMBRACE THE ANTI-CHRISTS ARE LIARS
AND YOU ARE CHRIST'S ENEMIES!! YOU CAN'T SERVE TWO MASTERS AND YOU ALL CAN'T
CLAIM TO BE FOR HIM WHEN YOU ALLY YOURSELVES WITH THOSE WHO DENOUNCE HIM! WAKE
UP!!

Yet even more evidence Jews teach and believe Jesus practiced sorcery:

Evidence of Jews attributing sorcery or magic to Jesus or Jews claiming Jesus
was a sorcerer (thus saying the Holy Spirit is an unclean demon):

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/708281e0fbe51799
(Archived locally as: KlalYisrael)
From: "Yeshiah Zalman" <sha...@gatecom.com>
Subject: Re: Klal Yisrael (Re: troubled about this NG again)
Date: 2000/03/01
Message-ID: <Npdv4.81949$ox5.22...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com>

THE MYTH by Hayyim ben Yehoshua

If Jesus was not an historical person, where did the whole New Testament story
come from in the first place? The Hebrew name for Christians has always been
Notzrim. This name is derived from the Hebrew word neitzer, which means a shoot
or sprout--an obvious Messianic symbol. There were already people called
Notzrim at the time of Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah (c. 100 B.C.E.). Although
modern Christians claim that Christianity only started in the first century
C.E., it is clear that the first century Christians in Israel considered
themselves to be a continuation of the Notzri movement which had been in
existence for about 150 years. One of the most notorious Notzrim was Yeishu ben
Pandeira, also known as Yeishu ha-Notzri. Talmudic scholars have always
maintained that the story of Jesus began with Yeishu. The Hebrew name for Jesus
has always been Yeishu and the Hebrew for "Jesus the Nazarene" has always been
"Yeishu ha-Notzri."...

The skimpy information contained in the Baraitas is as follows: Rabbi Yehoshua
ben Perachyah once repelled Yeishu with both hands. People believed that Yeishu
was a sorcerer and they considered him to be a person who had led the Jews
astray. As a result of charges brought against him (the details of which are
not known, but which probably involved high treason) Yeishu was stoned and his
body hung up on the eve of Passover... <END>

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/99c04ea1c429afbb
(Archived locally as: BerksonJesus)
From: Aaron Y Berkson <ab...@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jesus
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:47:49 -0500
Message-ID: <sh2FWpa00iUyE=Dr...@andrew.cmu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu

Well if you want to read a good jewish/historical view of jesus, you
can look him up in Encyclopedia Judaica... Bits in the Talmud lead one to
believe that he was a rabbinical student that strayed from good into evil ways.
It says he practiced sorcery, idolatry that he "set up a brick and began to pray
to it". That he "lead Israel astray"... <END>

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/eb297f381788a219
Archived locally as: NyobAntiChrist)
From: "Deborah Nyob" <dlt...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Can a Jew believe in and accept Jesus and still be a Jew?
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:36:18 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <67c341ec0620fc6f10e...@mygate.mailgate.org>

"Yvida" <Yvid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What if you guys are wrong and Jesus really is the Messiah.
>How sure are ya?

See www.jewfaq.org/toc.htm.

===============Special addition January 27, 2004=============================
From the above web site I found this and it also shows Jews view
Christians/non-Jews as idol worshippers.
http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
(Link active January 27, 2004. Archived locally as: JewFaqKashrut)
Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws
(Excerpt)
... In his book "To Be a Jew" (an excellent resource on traditional Judaism),
Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin suggests that the dietary laws are designed as a call
to holiness. The ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil,
pure and defiled, the sacred and the profane, is very important in Judaism...
Although the details of kashrut are extensive, the laws all derive from a few
fairly simple, straightforward rules: Grape products made by non-Jews may not be
eaten... The restrictions on grape products derive from the laws against using
products of idolatry. Wine was commonly used in the rituals of all ancient
religions, and wine was routinely sanctified for pagan purposes while it was
being processed. For this reason, use of wines and other grape products made by
non-Jews was prohibited... <END> All of you "sheep" of Christendom take note-
the people you adore as being the Chosen view you as a pagan idolater!!
I will show more examples further down. Tavish
===============================================================================

Deborah

Why Don't Jews Believe in Jesus?
by Rabbi Shraga Simmons

For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus
as messiah. Why?

[...]

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not
rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact,
the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to
charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

"The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the
miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing
miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles
were performed through magic or sorcery... <END>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you have convinced yourselves or if all you have ever known about Pharisees
is that they were around 2000 years ago but they aren't among us today then you
should consider the following:

New Edition of the Babylonian Talmud
by Michael L. Rodkinson
New Talmud Publishing Co. Boston

From the Introduction:
The History of the Talmud Chapter One

The name "written law' was given to the Pentateuch, Prophets, and Hagiographa,
and that of "oral law" to all the teachings of the "sages" consisting of
comments on the text of the Bible. The word Torah alone was applied to the
entire Bible, the term "Talmud" was reserved for the oral law......the name
Talmud" was applied to what was styled by the long phrase "Oral Law" (Torah-she
b'al-Peh).
___________________________

The Talmud is referenced to being Jewish Law by Lucy Dawidowicz in my
oft quoted book.

From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by Bantam
#13084-6 says on page 382-3: ".. they agreed to ask Kovno's Chief Rabbi,
Abraham Dov Shapiro, to issue a ruling on the basis of Halacha, Jewish law.
Weakened by age and illness, shaken by the events of the recent past, Rabbi
Shapiro was agitated even more by the problem put to him. He asked for time to
study the Talmudic and rabbinic sources that addressed themselves to related
problems."

Now I ask what did Dov Shapiro use to find out what Halacha, Jewish
law, said? The Talmudic and rabbinic sources!

Now consider what the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474]
says: "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break,
through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods
found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal
is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single
member of that literature, and round it are gathered a number of Midrashim,
partly legal (Halachic) and partly works of edification (Haggadic)."

[NOTE: The words in parenthesis are as they appeared in the text; they
are not my additions.]

".... any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the
TALMUD as the final resume...." "The JEWS - Their History, Culture,
and Religion", Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America

"The TALMUD is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion.
Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe- whether we are Orthodox,
Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists-we follow the TALMUD.
It is our common law." THE TALMUD; HEART'S BLOOD of the JEWISH FAITH by Herman
Wouk which also ran serially in the (11/17/59) New York Herald Tribune

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/d641a999dd1035c3
(Archived locally as: MosheFool)
From: mshu...@ix.netcom.com(Moshe Shulman)
Subject: Talmud is Jewish Law. Proven With Their Own Words. Pederasty Revisited
as Well!
Date: 1998/01/05
Message-ID: <68pmoe$c...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>#1/1

>From: bro...@deleteme.hotmailed.com (John Winslow Brown)
>From: The Babylonian Talmud
>Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
>London
> The Soncino Press 1935
><Yebamoth 60b on page 402 of above Talmud>:
><Sanhedrin 55b on page 376 in above Talmud>:

In general I avoid discussions with fools like this,

<<Tavish comment: I am not the fool- you are you pompous Pharisee anti-Christ!>>

however I will point out the errors in method and leave it to all people of good
will to look further as their interest in these issues demands.

The Talmud is a law book (although there is a lot of what we would call folk
lore.) As such, much of the judicial material deals with what courts are allowed
to deal with and what not. For example: it is well known that in the 5 books of
Moses it is clear that no crime can be punished unless there were two witnesses.
Using the logic Mr. Brown is using on the Talmud it is easy to prove that the OT
approves of murder (as long as one assures that no witnesses remain.) The Talmud
in the same way looks at similar issues. For example in the sexual area. A girl
is considered mature sexually at 3 while a boy at 9. So for example there is a
prohibition for a boy and girl to be alone together if unmarried. This applies
to girls over 3 and boys over 9 (even if we would assume that sexual relations
would not occur.) All of the usual quotes dealing with sexual matters are based
on the legal implications of this ruling. In no case to we have any case where
one says that there is a 'requirement' of sexual activity, except in the case of
when a man is married to a women.

--
Moshe Shulman mshu...@ix.netcom.com 718-436-7705
http://www.pobox.com/~chassidus Chassidus Website

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

As regard to Moshe mentioning "girls over 3 and boys over 9" the Talmud teaches
that a girl three years and one day can get married!!!!

Everyone read these archives to see how the Talmud excuses sex with dogs, three
year old girls getting married and Rabbis sucking penises after circumcision and
simply be amazed!

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.austria/msg/6951966be04d519e
Subject: Bestiality and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out With Two
Neo-Pharisees R_1003
Message-ID: <21hqnvsjmvqvd123k...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Oct 2003 09:41:24 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.austria/msg/a2b967c5af3e903a
Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees R_1003
Message-ID: <00hqnvoslhjscs50h...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Oct 2003 09:40:57 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/87c40aed05a8ed0a
Subject: Circumcision and Sucking on Penis by Rabbis is a Jewish Practice V2.0
Message-ID: <gne9vvsbimfl5te1o...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Jan 2004 00:26:35 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/59c9c6b2c6374cf0
Subject: Talmud Vs Torah (Old Testament) aka Traditions of Men Vs God's Law
Message-ID: <n26hgvcb8n97qcitc...@4ax.com>
Date: 6 Jul 2003 21:41:15 GMT

Back to where we were and Jews defaming Jesus as a sorcerer and how the original
defamers have descendants today:

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/movement.htm
(Archived locally as: jewfaq_movement)
Movements Before the 20th Century
All Jewish movements that exist today are derived from one movement, identified
in the Christian scriptures as the Pharisees. At the dawn of Christianity,
there were several different competing schools of thought: the Pharisees, the
Sadducees, the Essenes, and the Zealots. The Pharisaic school of thought is the
only one that survived the destruction of the Temple. The Pharisees believed
that God gave the Jews both a written Torah and an oral Torah, both of which
were equally binding and both of which were open to reinterpretation by the
rabbis, people with sufficient education to make such decisions. The Pharisees
were devoted to study of the Torah and education for all. Today, this school of
thought is known as Rabbinical Judaism... <END>

Notice the mention of "Rabbinical Judaism" above and how it was founded by
Pharisees and that "All Jewish movements that exist today are derived from one
movement, identified in the Christian scriptures as the Pharisees."? Compare the
above to what follows:

http://www.wujs.org.il/activist/learning/judaism/pharisees.shtml
(Archived locally as: judaism_pharisees)
Pharisees and Sadducees
1st century bce
The Hassidean party of the early days of the Hasmonean revolt developed into the
group known as the Pharisees. The name, which in Hebrew mean separatists,
presumably refers to their insistence on ritual purity. They developed the
process of interpretation of the Torah, giving wide - ranging meanings to the
Scriptural text. Their teachings evolved into the Mishnah and Talmud, and thus
constitute the basis of rabbinic Judaism... <END>

http://www.segne-israel.de/artikel/af_rabbi.htm
(Archived locally as: af_rabbi)
Segne Israel Rabbinical Judaism
"The Pharisees, who already in the times of Jesus loved to be called
"Rabbis," were the ones who eventually developed Rabbinical Judaism, as we
know it today..." <END>

All material from credible sources and readily verifiable. You all owe
it to yourselves to check the authenticity of all that I posted. You
owe it to yourselves, your children, your faith and to God. I have
presented a lot of capsulized facts and they all inter-relate. You
should archive this post for future reference if you are fastidious
about the truth of what is being taught. Remember that Judas has his
counterparts today and there is many a wolf in sheep's clothing that
has sold his soul to the modern Pharisees for an equivalent thirty
pieces of silver. There can't be and there isn't such a faith that
would be Christian that is based on an alliance under the theory of a
Judeo-Christian Faith. Christs' Apostles rejected Judaism upon
accepting the New Covenant!

"You of course, heard about my conduct formerly in JUDAISM, that to
the excess I kept on persecuting the congregation of God [Christian]
and devastating it. And I was making greater progress in JUDAISM than
many of my own age in my race, as I was far more zealous for the
traditions of my fathers." Galatians 1:13,14 Words of the Apostle
Paul. BTW Paul admitted that he was a former Pharisee (Judaism is/was
the religion of Pharisees) in Philippians 3: 5 and Acts 26: 5.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>

Compare the above to this post:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/86a22807544d3abf
Subject: 1st Century Vs 21st Century Judaism Compared to 1st Century
Christianity and 21st Century Christendom
Message-ID: <1cnv30tcnn0240r4j...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2004 00:29:09 GMT

As promised how Jews view Christians as pagans, heathens, and idol worshippers
are contained in these archives

--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7bc330f46b155abb
Subject: Non-Jews: What is Taught About Them & How They are Viewed by 21st
Century Pharisees V3.0 T_0730
Message-ID: <8rgme19f1dh18o4ak...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jul 2005 09:20:42 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/36480e0b80694471
Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
Own Words Series] V3.0 S_0206 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:14:23 -0600
Message-ID: <jne720pakjho7ogu4...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.lutheran/msg/850897cf461e635f
Subject: All Men Are Created Equal is NOT a Jewish Concept
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:27:38 -0500
Message-ID: <b6beevshh8dcr43hk...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4db5aaa7c28e706c
Subject: Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT
a "Brother" in Their Eyes! V2.0b S_0128
Message-ID: <cv3i10h7uqn08niug...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jan 2004 14:21:07 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a527bbc7dd9d2cb7
Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
Message-ID: <ejoodv8ba5n1ja6k5...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/18d77c37f152f53f
Subject: Exclusion Entirely of Non-Jews in the Jewish Scheme of Things! R_0426
Message-ID: <3eaade4a...@tavish-central.net>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e7154c96c95a0657
Subject: Lessons in Tanya- Hasidism - Only Jews Have Souls & Heavenly
Pre-Earthly Existence? R_0520
Message-ID: <3eca1e34...@tavish-central.net>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/f51548f9d5d101a0
Subject: UPDATED LINKS!! About Kashrus and Supervision - What Jews Teach
Concerning non-Jews (In Their Own Words Series) V2.0 S_0114
Message-ID: <vf6a00t3gfv5fs3mt...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:40:16 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/365592fafca54ceb
Subject: V2.1b Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
(Classic Repost) New Links Added! S_0114
Message-ID: <6q6a00l6th5th925j...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:48 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/fff2dd48866e66d6
Subject: Jews Are Self Admitted "Separatists" and Aliens In Whatever Nation They
Reside In! V3.0b S_0110
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:40:23 -0600
Message-ID: <hhi10010pfq6v2nas...@4ax.com>
See how the material in the archive below relates to the archive just above:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/6f80c57b5b3a1d25
Subject: Gentiles Used by Jews for Business Gains? S_0208
Message-ID: <4026ec2e....@tavish-central.net>
Date: 9 Feb 2004 02:08:30 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/dbcad3ea8da5bbea
Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel (Different Author Series) V3.0
Message-ID: <t48jg054lokshm6b2...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jul 2004 01:22:37 GMT

Tavish

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e81e7e6846161b30?fwc=2
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.0 T_0205
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:03 -0600
Message-ID: <6iea01dq6bt8b3com...@4ax.com>
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
"Holocaust Denial" and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6?fwc=2
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT

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Allan Matthews

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Jul 30, 2005, 8:39:53 PM7/30/05

In article <bb5oe1pdags5iq3tf...@4ax.com>, rhc-
tavish@tavish-central says...

> Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
> TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
>
> From:
> The Babylonian Talmud
> Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
> London
> The Soncino Press 1935

[oft posted Bradshit spam snipped to stop the waste of bandwidth]

Tell us, O obese one - how does this sort of stuff differ from what
Christians say will happen to non-Christians, or what Muslims say will
happen to non-Muslims?

All seem like birds of a feather to me. Why then, do you single out
Jews?

It couldn't be your pathological hatred of Jews now, could it?

LOL!

Stay lame fatboy.

allan
--
=========================================
"I am a 'Nazi'"
- "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury
=========================================
http://www.allan.matthews.name

Kurt Knoll

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Jul 30, 2005, 8:46:25 PM7/30/05

Hi Allen did not hear from you for a long time. Say is it really true it
took the Germans only 15 minutes to cremate a Jewish body. Is it also true
The Germans cremated 3 bodies at the time. Is it also true the Jews gave up
so much fat while cremating there was not need to add more coal. Fill me in
I am Curios you best friend Kurt.

Kurt Knoll.

"Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:ssudnWVanbd...@giganews.com...

Doc Tavish

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Jul 30, 2005, 10:58:56 PM7/30/05

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:39:53 -0400, <ssudnWVanbd...@giganews.com> Allan
Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>In article <bb5oe1pdags5iq3tf...@4ax.com>, rhc-
>tavish@tavish-central says...
>> Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
>> TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
>>
>> From:
>> The Babylonian Talmud
>> Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
>> London
>> The Soncino Press 1935
>
>[oft posted Bradshit spam snipped to stop the waste of bandwidth]

Here is the link to the original post in case it gets lost in the shuffle:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/8ecf00a3d0a1a81e
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) V2.0 UPDATED T_0730
Message-ID: <bb5oe1pdags5iq3tf...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Jul 2005 00:23:02 GMT

>Tell us, O obese one

Let's see you already addressed me as "Bradshit" and you call me "obese one" YET
you don't refute what I posted which was what Jews teach about Jesus!

>- how does this sort of stuff differ from what Christians say will happen to
>non-Christians, or what Muslims say will happen to non-Muslims?

You evidently didn't bother to read what I posted.

>All seem like birds of a feather to me.

The above comes from a person who is on record as stating:

---
>Please note also the Talmud contains a book called the Sanhedrin and it
>is filled with blasphemous statements against Jesus
"They're only blasphemous if you're Christian, Scottie. These guys were Jews.
To them Jesus was the blasphemer." Marxist Anti-Christ Allan Matthews
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/bf4d82b5ec68fb02
Subject: Re: From History of the Jews- Talmudism (As Written by Jews)
Message-ID: <MPG.f7c9ff66...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth1)
---
"God? What would we want with a God?" Atheistic Allan Matthews
Subject: Yet more slander from "tavish" (was:Re: If You Had a GOD...)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/dbf0057701257ac3
Message-ID: <5h9cvn$pc0$1...@lator.cybercom.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth2)
---
>WE ARE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD,
"Oh, no, not this silly sky god stuff again..."
Atheistic Marxist Apologist Allan Matthews
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.white-power/msg/6aca198a57041671
Subject: Re: Niggers morally responsible for Arkansas! Torch them NOW!!!
Message-ID: <MPG.f8867712...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth3)

>Why then, do you single out Jews?

Why not? Why should they be above scrutiny?

>It couldn't be your pathological hatred of Jews now, could it?
>
>LOL!
>
>Stay lame fatboy.

"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say in like manner: "address the lie, not the liar," because anti-Christ
Christ deniers and their gentile Judases for allies often make personal attacks
when they run out of arguments."

>allan
>--
>=========================================
>"I am a 'Nazi'"
> - "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury
>=========================================
> http://www.allan.matthews.name

All Allan Matthews can do is quote me out of context. Below is what he hi-jacked
his sig line from:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.white-power/msg/de1eafb6dbc0ad7
(Archived locally as: NaziNOT)
From: doc_t...@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Gunther Schiller)
Subject: Re: Is Dr Laura a head case herself?
Date: 1998/03/10
Message-ID: <3504c2b5....@news.phoenix.net>
(Partial quote):

I have creeps like you call me a Nazi all the time but if I am a Nazi
then she is one Jew I would let sit on my face! Get the drift?

Here is proof that I have spoken kindly of her:

http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=221706414
Subject: I Listen to Dr. Laura Everyday!
From: Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net>
Date: 1997/02/26

Sara I listen to Dr. Laura everyday, even on weekends when they have
reruns! I know that Dr. Laura is a Jew and I like to listen to her!
Can you explain this to me? I am as serious as I can be. Word of
honor! I haven't ever asked you mean or trick questions even though
you may have thought so! I know that you think I am a nazi pig but can
you explain my liking to listen to Dr. Laura.

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Your sig line:

=========================================
"I am a 'Nazi'"
- "Sieg Heil" Scottie Bradbury
=========================================
http://www.allan.matthews.name

Is grossly quoting me out of context! Is this all you have? Then again what can
one expect from SHITE who can only resort to smear and can't deal in fact!? Why
don't you show the post, its Message ID, its Subject Title etc.? Answer:
YOUR SMEAR WOULDN'T BE EFFECTIVE SO YOU ISOLATE FOUR WORDS FROM A COMPLETE
SENTENCE AND RUN WITH IT LIKE THE EVIL LITTLE SHITE YOU ARE!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/4bd955b230f03609
Subject: Comrade Allan Matthews' GOOD GUYS Are Socialists/Communists! aka
Communists Give FULL Support to Democrat Party in USA!! S_0723
Message-ID: <sen3g0d7nqfr2k8dl...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:06:04 GMT

Allan Matthews

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Jul 31, 2005, 2:05:55 AM7/31/05

In article <h5foe15cpiblrssi8...@4ax.com>, rhc-
tavish@tavish-central says...

> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:39:53 -0400, <ssudnWVanbd...@giganews.com> Allan
> Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <bb5oe1pdags5iq3tf...@4ax.com>, rhc-
> >tavish@tavish-central says...
> >> Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
> >> TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
> >>
> >> From:
> >> The Babylonian Talmud
> >> Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
> >> London
> >> The Soncino Press 1935

[oft posted Bradshit spam snipped to stop the waste of bandwidth]

> >Tell us, O obese one

>
> Let's see you already addressed me as "Bradshit" and you call me "obese one" YET
> you don't refute what I posted which was what Jews teach about Jesus!

What's to refute? Some of them teach that he was not a great guy and
he's being tormented in hell. That to me sounds a lot like what some
Christians say is going to happen to Jews.

And why? Simply because they don't follow the same stupid nonsense
about their tribal totem that the other guys think they should.

Clearly you're missing my point.

Big surprise there.

I also don't understand why you make such a fuss about how sections of
the Talmud, etc, regard Jesus. You're clearly not a believer in what he
had to say so why do you care?

> >- how does this sort of stuff differ from what Christians say will happen to
> >non-Christians, or what Muslims say will happen to non-Muslims?
>
> You evidently didn't bother to read what I posted.

No, I've read it. And now I read that you're dodging the question.

[more Bradbury frothing at the mouth snipped]

> >Why then, do you single out Jews?

> Why not? Why should they be above scrutiny?

Well, at least you admit you're singling out Jews. Now if you'd only
explain why.

Of course, we already know the answer - Blubberbury long ago admitted he
had a "pathological" hatred of Jews.

["Sieg Heil" Scottie's remaining ranting snipped as it wasted bandwidth]

Stay lame fat boy.

Doc Tavish

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Jul 31, 2005, 6:56:01 AM7/31/05

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:05:55 -0400, <KqidnYAWOYy...@giganews.com> Allan
Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>In article <h5foe15cpiblrssi8...@4ax.com>, rhc-
>tavish@tavish-central says...
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:39:53 -0400, <ssudnWVanbd...@giganews.com> Allan
>> Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <bb5oe1pdags5iq3tf...@4ax.com>, rhc-
>> >tavish@tavish-central says...
>> >> Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
>> >> TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
>> >>
>> >> From:
>> >> The Babylonian Talmud
>> >> Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
>> >> London
>> >> The Soncino Press 1935
>
>[oft posted Bradshit spam snipped to stop the waste of bandwidth]

Can't refute it can you? All you can do is hurl insults!

>> >Tell us, O obese one
>>
>> Let's see you already addressed me as "Bradshit" and you call me "obese one" YET
>> you don't refute what I posted which was what Jews teach about Jesus!
>
>What's to refute?

Why do you completely gut my posts and then lay on the personal attacks if there
isn't anything to refute? If you were telling the truth then you would have left
what I posted intact for the world to see PLUS you always delete the newsgroups
I posted to. Are you ashamed for a larger audience to see you for what you are!?

Once again what Allan Matthews can't refute:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/cdc62b9cda7db4ab
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
Message-ID: <f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT

>Some of them teach that he was not a great guy and
>he's being tormented in hell.

As well as all of his followers being boiled in excrement!! Care to deny it?
Why should people still be duped into being there is such a thing as a
Judeo-Christian Alliance by false teachers when one side of the "partnership"
hates Christ, denies Christ, and has such blasphemous teachings about Christ?

>That to me sounds a lot like what some Christians say is going to happen to Jews.

Christendom YES- Christians NO!

>And why? Simply because they don't follow the same stupid nonsense
>about their tribal totem that the other guys think they should.

You make my point for me!

>Clearly you're missing my point.
>
>Big surprise there.

I know your point based on your brayings:

~~All about Atheistic Anti-Christ Marxist Baby-Killer Allan Matthews~~
"(L)ets compare - My IQ's around 140, I've got a degree in physics
from MIT and I'm finishing up my Ph.D. at Harvard, from which I
already have a Master's degree. And you, oh mentally stunted one?
....I can't understand why people like you are so willfully stupid
and ignorant." -- Allan Matthews Showing "Intelligence" and Style!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/d1c0ac6b776c27a3
From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
Subject: Re: "Sieg Heil" Scottie makes another allegation he can't back up
Message-ID: <MPG.1015bb88a...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMbraggadocio)

---
"Anti-abortion propaganda... It is a legal fact in this country that you
cannot compel me to give you use of one of my organs, say a kindey, for
example, even if it's the only way for you to stay alive. Why, then,
should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use of a woman's
uterus? Pro-Death Allan "Baby Killer" Matthews
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.white-power/msg/297b52acba2190b0
Subject: Re: Similarity between communists and nazis
Message-ID: <MPG.ec087de4...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth4)
---
Subject: Did Allan Matthews Acquire his Marxist Leanings at "Institutions of
Higher Learning"? aka Re: More delusional lies from "Sieg Heil" Scottie
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/97ef87a16264cdc3
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:58:54 -0500
Message-ID: <is6alu4qnvnsg98r0...@4ax.com>
---
Allan Matthews' "GOOD GUYS" (ACLU, DSA, ADL/B'nai Brith and Nizkor) are rooted
in communism and/or are communist front organizations:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/4bd955b230f03609

Subject: Comrade Allan Matthews' GOOD GUYS Are Socialists/Communists! aka
Communists Give FULL Support to Democrat Party in USA!! S_0723
Message-ID: <sen3g0d7nqfr2k8dl...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:06:04 GMT

---
All of the above in a nutshell speaks volumes about the type of person Marxist
Atheist Anti-Christ Allan Matthews is! No wonder why he is liked by Leftists and
Pharisaic Anti-Christ Jews.

>I also don't understand why you make such a fuss about how sections of
>the Talmud, etc, regard Jesus.

The Talmud proves that Jews and Jews only commit the only unforgivable sin and
that is Jews claim Jesus was demonized and did his miracles through demons.

>You're clearly not a believer in what he had to say so why do you care?

WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME!?

>> >- how does this sort of stuff differ from what Christians say will happen to
>> >non-Christians, or what Muslims say will happen to non-Muslims?
>>
>> You evidently didn't bother to read what I posted.
>
>No, I've read it. And now I read that you're dodging the question.

I've dodged nothing while you dodge everything and delete my proofs!!

>[more Bradbury frothing at the mouth snipped]

Can't refute me can you?

>> >Why then, do you single out Jews?
>
>> Why not? Why should they be above scrutiny?
>
>Well, at least you admit you're singling out Jews. Now if you'd only
>explain why.
>
>Of course, we already know the answer - Blubberbury long ago admitted he
>had a "pathological" hatred of Jews.

SHOW THE POST!! YOU ARE A LIAR!!!

"Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?" -Jim Alder 01 Jun 2005
Message ID: Xns96687CF5C4150...@216.196.97.142

>
>["Sieg Heil" Scottie's remaining ranting snipped as it wasted bandwidth]
>
>Stay lame fat boy.

"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust

deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say in like manner: "address the lie, not the liar," because anti-Christ
Christ deniers and their gentile Judases for allies often make personal attacks
when they run out of arguments."

AND
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in FACT.

>allan

Marxist smear agent Allan Matthews' out of context sig line smear deleted.

Tavish

How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/c67d884d85bad07c
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/72f2f6f3129d731b
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/26ccb282e78d3d26
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/7759bdc0ca737d99
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.israel/msg/219f1a9a2ea94759
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <34c17d0f....@news.smart1.net>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6

Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e364b24e60b8c04d
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
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Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2737c3f9e9a137a2?fwc=1

Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to

Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.1 T_0729
Message-ID: <brcke1lh0s6qacohs...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jul 2005 14:04:24 GMT

Allan Matthews

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Jul 31, 2005, 1:11:58 PM7/31/05

In article <29ape1h6kq2moeifh...@4ax.com>, rhc-

tavish@tavish-central says...
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:05:55 -0400, <KqidnYAWOYy...@giganews.com> Allan
> Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <h5foe15cpiblrssi8...@4ax.com>, rhc-
> >tavish@tavish-central says...
> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:39:53 -0400, <ssudnWVanbd...@giganews.com> Allan
> >> Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <bb5oe1pdags5iq3tf...@4ax.com>, rhc-
> >> >tavish@tavish-central says...
> >> >> Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to
> >> >> TALMUD and Other Jewish Sources
> >> >>
> >> >> From:
> >> >> The Babylonian Talmud
> >> >> Translated into English by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein
> >> >> London
> >> >> The Soncino Press 1935
> >
> >[oft posted Bradshit spam snipped to stop the waste of bandwidth]
>
> Can't refute it can you? All you can do is hurl insults!

Clearly you didn't read the rest of my post before you wrote this.

> >> >Tell us, O obese one
> >>
> >> Let's see you already addressed me as "Bradshit" and you call me "obese one" YET
> >> you don't refute what I posted which was what Jews teach about Jesus!
> >
> >What's to refute?
>
> Why do you completely gut my posts

I don't touch your posts, stupid. They remain intact. I just edit my
replies for the sake of brevity. Unlike you, most people on usenet
don't like wading through hundreds of lines of quoted material to read a
few lines of a response.

You'd think that after almost a decade on usenet you'd understand these
basic concepts.

Man, you are STUPID.

[snip some repetitious ranting]

> >Some of them teach that he was not a great guy and
> >he's being tormented in hell.
>
> As well as all of his followers being boiled in excrement!! Care to deny it?

No, as I said before there's nothing to deny. Can't you focus on the
content of a reply for more than half a line?

> Why should people still be duped into being there is such a thing as a
> Judeo-Christian Alliance by false teachers when one side of the "partnership"
> hates Christ, denies Christ, and has such blasphemous teachings about Christ?

Jews, of course, could say the same thing about Christians - whose
"holy" book says they are condemned to eternal torment by fire.

Over the last 2000 years far, far more Jews have suffered at the hands
of Christians than vice versa. If anyone should doubt the "Judeo-
Christian Alliance" (whatever the hell that is) it should be Jews, not
Christians.

And I still fail to see why you, who clearly pays NO attention to the
teachings of Jesus and who doesn't adhere to the tenets of Christianity,
care one bit about how other religions regard them.

And I also have to wonder why you don't also whine about what Muslims
say about Christians. Afterall, they too say Christians are damned to
eternal torment.

Of course we know the answer to your selective condemnation of Jews -
your admitted "pathological" hatred of them.

> >That to me sounds a lot like what some Christians say is going to happen to Jews.
>
> Christendom YES- Christians NO!

LOL! The self-contradictory nature of this statement clearly eludes
you.

[Rest of the usual bradbury TILTing nonsense flushed down the old Ellis]

Stay lame, fatbury.

Doc Tavish

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Jul 31, 2005, 2:54:08 PM7/31/05

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:46:25 GMT, <BbVGe.69735$5V4.30030@pd7tw3no> "Kurt Knoll"
<ram...@monarch.net> wrote:

>Hi Allen did not hear from you for a long time. Say is it really true it
>took the Germans only 15 minutes to cremate a Jewish body. Is it also true
>The Germans cremated 3 bodies at the time. Is it also true the Jews gave up
>so much fat while cremating there was not need to add more coal. Fill me in
>I am Curios you best friend Kurt.
>
>Kurt Knoll.

In have noticed he hasn't answered! I tried to get the NIZKOOKS to answer about
those alleged "super ovens" in the past but they always dodged the questions.

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/4a4a1d87a56f4d8e
From: Tavish <t--avi-s-h4...@RemoveHyphens2MAILix.n-etc-om.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,alt.flame.jews,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german,soc.history.what-if,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Good cartoon
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 07:28:53 -0600
Message-ID: <35896vs10mkduc8v5...@4ax.com>
References: <3E648950...@daybologic.co.uk>

On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:09:04 +0000, <3E648950.5080...@daybologic.co.uk> David
Duncan Ross Palmer <ovrdyn-*-spamsu...@daybologic.co.uk> wrote:

>http://abbc.com/islam/roligt/big/rislam9.gif

>"American prison incinerators consume one body in 8 hours, yet two at
>Auschwitz supposedly burned 25,000 a day"

I remember the Jews getting in a hissy fit about that and I asked if the Germans
had ovens which could do as the Jews claimed then why isn't the technology being
used today. It would only be logical (especially in a capitalist country) that a
burning process which could do as they claimed would be beneficial for other
uses in industry other than cremation. I never got a suitable reply!

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=32D6B314.1B0E%40phoenix.net&rnum=1
From: Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net>
Subject: Where Are These Super Ovens Designed by the Super Race?
Date: 1997/01/10
Message-ID: <32D6B3...@phoenix.net>

Mike Curtis wrote:

> cswi...@westco.net (Cliff Swiger) wrote:
> >On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 22:47:53 +0000, Chuck Ferree <chu...@rio.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Let's not get mixed up now, you are talking about storage of corpses,
> >>amount of times for cremation, and so on. I don't know where you got
> >>your information, but it doesn't really make too much difference. Most
> >>of mine comes from Martin Gilbert's "The Holocaust" but also I have
> >>other books by various authors which pretty much come to the same
> >>conclusion.
:
> >You don't know where I got my "information?" I was taught mathematics
> >in school, Chuck! Don't you see that it does not matter if you're a
> >National Socialist, a Jew, a Black, an Asian, a communist or a
> >registered democrat.........I already said communist, didn't I.
> >Anyway, engineering design is engineering design, math is math. Its
> >all totally unbiased. You crunch the numbers and compare it to
> >mechanical design and limitations.

Communists aren't engineering masters and that is why they have to steal
from us. Remember Jews Jonathan Pollard and the Rosenbergs and all the
rest of the traitorious filth that has stolen secrets from us!

> Math is unbiased. The figures used need to be justified and their
> origin verified. So it would help to know where you get your figures.

> > AND CHUCK WRITES ON!
>
> >>I'll send more on Mauthausen. Cliff, I went into Mauthausen two days
> >>after it's liberation.

> >>A gas chamber had been used there for several years.
> >>The gas chamber at Dachau was on German soil, it was used to gas
> >>humans.
:
> >>It took about four hours to empty the gas chamber.
:
> >>It took about 20 minutes to cremate three corpses in one retort.
> >>However, in their efforts to reduce

Where are these super ovens? Where did the technology go?

> >>the number of loadings, prisoners cremated four to five corpses at one
> >>time, and extended the cremation time to about 25 to 30 minutes.
:
> >Once again you call Wisenthau a liar by claiming an extermination gas
> >chamber at Dachau which is in Germany.
:
> Don't be silly, Cliff. The guy you love to hate said that there were
> no extermination camps on German soil. This means the kind of
> extermination camps like Treblinka and Auschwitz-Birkenau. There was a
> gas chamber at Dachau and historians argue whether it was used or not.
> If it was used it wasn't of the kind we would find in the previously
> mentioned camps that were outside Germany. You've been told this
> before and have privately acknowledged in the past that you understood
> this, but you didn't care.
:
> > If it took 4 hours to unload
> >the gas chamber in a best case you'd only be able to send 1500 bodies
> >to the crematories in a 24 hour shift. No where near 12,000 as is
> >claimed.
:
> Claimed by whom?
:
> > Incinerating 4 or 5 corpses in 25 to 30 minutes? Totally
> >asinine.

Where did this technology disappear to? This technology would be useful
for waste disposal. Please Jews do inform us!

> Prove it. This because I say so denier technique is wearing thin.

> > State of the art crematories take 1 to 3 hours to cremate
> >just one corpse.

> These are crematoriums that care about state laws and the results they
> have to provide for relatives. You are aware of this, it is clear that
> you haven't a care in the world about comparing apples to apples and
> oranges to oranges. You never have. I guess it is not necessary for
> you to be honest at this time.

> > Consult a crematory and find out for yourself. But,
> >this is technical and mathematical information that certainly doesn't
> >have any weight against your emotional and fantasic imagination, does
> >it Chuck? Sweet dreams.
:
> Modern cremations have quite different concerns than did the Nazis.

Hey Mikey, I know that you are Marxist in your thinking and therefore
unconcerned with capitalistic endeavors but wouldn't you think that
modern crematoria would like to use the same SUPER cremation techniques
as did the Nazis? Remember this anti-capitalist Mike: "Time is money"
and no efficient operator would use outdated techniques if such super
vaporization techniques were available. If you believe in any form of
capitalism then it would have to be a Jewish capitalism. More lies from the
masters of deceit- Jews!

Doc Tavish

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=32DC4932.4903%40phoenix.net&rnum=3
From: Doc Tavish <tav...@phoenix.net>
Subject: Re: nazi cremations
Date: 1997/01/14
Message-ID: <32DC4932.4...@phoenix.net>

Brian Oblivion wrote:

> A: It is all very simple. A Topf oven can not cremate a human body
> in six minutes.
> B: Suppose they used hydrogen.
> A: Well, I suppose so but then they would have to use oxygen too.
> B: Of course. They would just have to keep the liquids tanks away
> from the ovens.
> A: Certainly, and they could have them liquified by making jews run
> the pumps by hand.
> B: I think have an explanation that the deniers will go for. You
> want to post it?
> A: ME!!! Not on your life. I'm in the twelve minute camp myself.
> B: You can't do it with just propane.
> A: Can too.
> B: Not!
> =====
> The URL, the mail drop, and the synagogue phone numbers

I still want to know where did this "super oven" technology go? Couldn't
we use it for waste disposal or at least for bar-be-queing a mountain of
gnawin' pesky varmint chipmunks? We need this super Nazi technology-
just think how grateful people would be to have a J.A. Topf & Sohnes of
Erhfurt oven heating their home? Al Gore's Global Warming is freezing
people's asses off left and right.

Doc Tavish

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=332E01F7.4194%40phoenix.net&rnum=2
From: Billy Pilgrim <you-guess...@phoenix.net>
Subject: Re: A Coward Snips the Post and Runs!
Date: 1997/03/17
Message-ID: <332E01F7.4...@phoenix.net>

Allan Matthews wrote:

> In article <5ghq68$...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, b...@freenet.carleton.ca (Jenn Starkman) wrote:

> >Tavish's latest pseudonym:
> >"In article <33274493....@vonnegut.net>,
> > Kilgore Trout <g...@vonnegut.net> wrote:"

> >I have to say that I find it endlessly amusing that a Holocaust denier would
> >choose to use as a pseudonym the name of a character (he has also used "Dwayne
> >Hoover", another of Kurt Vonnegut's characters) created by a man who has
> >written extensively of his experiences as an Allied soldier in WWII.
> >Could you possibly choose a more ridiculously inappropriate alias?

There you go making false accusations once again showing that you let
your contempt for me shine through. Produce any statement where I have
ever denied what you call the "holocaust". I defy you. I have never said
any such thing- I have questioned some of your side's "facts" such as
ovens that could consume four bodies in twenty minutes! I took a good
trouncing too! If the Nazis had such super ovens then where did the
technology go? Honest question and a civil one too!

> >Could you possibly choose a more ridiculously inappropriate alias?

You' never understand because you aren't bigoted or your mind already
made up. You cut me down BUT you really never read what I say- you only
look at the grammar etc. and for some quirk in which to support your
preconceived notions of me.

> How about "Matt Giwer Tavish?"

Matt Giwer is my friend and confidant and I am not ashamed to say it.
He's demonized and hated just as I am. I did it in his honour so to
speak. If you're nice to me I may even come back as Allan Matthews
McTavish! How does that suit you? :-) I could just as easily come back
as a dog named Rover and pee on your leg too!
Tavish

> allan

~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

Personal attacks is all I have ever received for asking honest questions. Why
would someone reply with personal attacks instead of answering an honest
question other than the fact they are liars?

"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09

-Message-ID: <348ccbc4.870324...@news.smart1.net>

<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>

Links active March 4, 2003

http://www.icfa.org/cremation.htm
http://www.icfa.org/cremation.htm#Cremation3
How long does it take to cremate a body?

Cremating at the optimum temperature (1400 - 1800 degrees), the average weighted
remains takes 2 to 2 1/2 hours. Several more hours may be required before the
cremated remains are available to the family.

<END>

http://www.nfda.org/page.php?pID=160
http://www.nfda.org/page.php?pID=160#long
How long does it take to cremate a body?

Cremating at the optimum temperature (1400-1800 degrees), the average weighted
remains takes 2 to 2 1/2 hours. Several more hours may be required before the
cremated remains are available to the family.

<END>

So far two Funeral Director's Organizations have sated ~"2 to 2 1/2 hours" and
that is using state of art technology whereas the Jews and their toadies claim
an older technology would take "about 20 minutes to cremate three corpses."

That is a very major difference too! I ask again-- where did this super oven
technology go?

Tavish

Doc Tavish

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Jul 31, 2005, 3:04:57 PM7/31/05

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:11:58 -0400, <gPSdnSfG0qX...@giganews.com> Allan
Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>And I also have to wonder why you don't also whine about what Muslims
>say about Christians. Afterall, they too say Christians are damned to
>eternal torment.

Muslims don't teach a Islamo-Christian Alliance such as Jews and their gentile
toadies teach a Judeio-Christian Alliance!! Muslim Mullahs don't seek American
dollars and tourist to their countries like Israel's Rabbis do yet Israel is
anti-Christian to the core! No other religion on Earth teaches that Jesus was
demon possessed and did his miracles through Beelzebub like Judaism does. I can
keep elaborating if you desire!!

My proofs of my claims above may be verified within these archives:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a9832ff4524f6c1d

Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations

is NOT a Valid Comparison V3.0 T_0731
Message-ID: <6nbpe1hkig7o14gig...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Jul 2005 11:30:08 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/3d9a75bb20795c52
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support V4-0 T_0728
Message-ID: <qfqie1pqg5595f1bb...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jul 2005 23:47:06 GMT

Compare the above to this post:

Tavish

Allan Matthews

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Jul 31, 2005, 3:17:06 PM7/31/05

In article <ul7qe1pqjpthbqn2e...@4ax.com>, rhc-
tavish@tavish-central says...

> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:11:58 -0400, <gPSdnSfG0qX...@giganews.com> Allan
> Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >And I also have to wonder why you don't also whine about what Muslims
> >say about Christians. Afterall, they too say Christians are damned to
> >eternal torment.
>
> Muslims don't teach a Islamo-Christian Alliance such as Jews and their gentile
> toadies teach a Judeio-Christian Alliance!!

If by "Alliance" you mean inter-faith understanding and cooperation,
then you are wrong. Many Muslims and Christians teach this.

Once again, you are yammering based on your incredible ignorance.

> Muslim Mullahs don't seek American
> dollars and tourist to their countries like Israel's Rabbis do

Sure they do, you ignorant putz.

> yet Israel is anti-Christian to the core!

Only in your fevered, Jew-hating imagination, fat boy.

> No other religion on Earth teaches that Jesus was
> demon possessed and did his miracles through Beelzebub like Judaism does.

Perhaps not, but Islam certainly teaches that Christians are
blashphemers who will go to hell. Its right there in the Koran, whereas
the Old Testament the Jews use mentions Christians not at all.

> I can keep elaborating if you desire!!

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on why you snipped much of my last post
without indicating that you had done so.

Of course I guess you had no response to what I said there so you ran.

[remaining blubberblather snipped as it was just verbal sewage anyway]

I suppose you should be congratualated for keeping your rant under 1000
lines this time.

Stay lame, you old fat nazi.

LOL!

Doc Tavish

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Jul 31, 2005, 6:39:37 PM7/31/05

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:17:06 -0400, <JfednXjsHsY...@giganews.com> Allan
Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>In article <ul7qe1pqjpthbqn2e...@4ax.com>, rhc-
>tavish@tavish-central says...
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:11:58 -0400, <gPSdnSfG0qX...@giganews.com> Allan
>> Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >And I also have to wonder why you don't also whine about what Muslims
>> >say about Christians. Afterall, they too say Christians are damned to
>> >eternal torment.
>>
>> Muslims don't teach a Islamo-Christian Alliance such as Jews and their gentile

>> toadies teach a Judeo-Christian Alliance!!

>
>If by "Alliance" you mean inter-faith understanding and cooperation,
>then you are wrong. Many Muslims and Christians teach this.

I am talking about the false teaching that an allaiance exists between Judaism &
Christianity to the extent the false doctrine that the Old Covenant is still in
force when it is not and that Judaism & Christianity are compatible with each
other when they are not!!

Compare the above to this post:

>Once again, you are yammering based on your incredible ignorance.

Personal attacks are all you have!

>> Muslim Mullahs don't seek American dollars and tourist to their countries like Israel's

>>Rabbis do
>
>Sure they do, you ignorant putz.

Cite some examples like you see televangelists hawking trips to Israel.

>> yet Israel is anti-Christian to the core!
>
>Only in your fevered, Jew-hating imagination, fat boy.

Name call is all you have but facts speak otherwise!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a9832ff4524f6c1d
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V3.0 T_0731
Message-ID: <6nbpe1hkig7o14gig...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Jul 2005 11:30:08 GMT

>> No other religion on Earth teaches that Jesus was

>> demon possessed and did his miracles through Beelzebub like Judaism does.
>
>Perhaps not, but Islam certainly teaches that Christians are blashphemers who will go
>to hell.

The debate is not what Muslims teach but what Jewish Rabbis teach.

>Its right there in the Koran, whereas the Old Testament the Jews use mentions Christians not at all.

Because Jesus had not come yet!! Christians are a product of the New Covenant!

>> I can keep elaborating if you desire!!
>
>Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on why you snipped much of my last post
>without indicating that you had done so.
>
>Of course I guess you had no response to what I said there so you ran.

It's just insult after insult such as the insult below!

>[remaining blubberblather snipped as it was just verbal sewage anyway]
>
>I suppose you should be congratualated for keeping your rant under 1000
>lines this time.
>
>Stay lame, you old fat nazi.

Name call and smear is all you have! I hope people are catching on!!

>LOL!
>
>allan

Tavish

Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.israel/msg/219f1a9a2ea94759
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <34c17d0f....@news.smart1.net>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT

Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2737c3f9e9a137a2?fwc=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.1 T_0729
Message-ID: <brcke1lh0s6qacohs...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jul 2005 14:04:24 GMT

_______________________________________________________________________________

The Chief Instigator

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Jul 31, 2005, 11:34:49 PM7/31/05

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R. Scott Bradbury <rhc-tavish@tavish-central> writes:

>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:17:06 -0400, <JfednXjsHsY...@giganews.com> Allan
>Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

[...]

>>Stay lame, you old fat nazi.

>Name call and smear is all you have! I hope people are catching on!!

They're catching on, all right - they're either laughing at the fat freak of
Bellville, or else they're shoving your posting alias into their filters.
Meanwhile, your blubbery face is on display at
chiefinstigator.us.tt/tavish.php.

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