Andreas - no comment?
George Orwell
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Fencing operation?
Message-ID: <3fed05d31c6ddc41...@mixmaster.it>
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:04:42 +0200 (CEST)
In a little over a year Iron Mountain, Inc. (Andreas Heldal-Lund’s
employer) has lost the data back up tapes of over 4 million customers.
These include, CitiGroup customers, Time-Warner employees and Long Island
Railroad employees.
Now its turns out that identity theft has hit a number of these customers.
One source of these thefts was detected recently when a fraud ring,
operating out of Las Vegas, was broken up by investigators. In questioning
members of the ring agents were lead to electronic copies of stolen
consumer financial information as well as high tech hardware devices being
used in what agents termed, “a sophisticated fencing operation”.
http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=165701015
ZretsulCuneX
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID: <dd7f0ae66955917c...@mixmaster.it>
And the Organization Header: mail...@dizum.com.
The famous author: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>.
Wrote on the subject: Andreas - no comment?:
>From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>Subject: Fencing operation?
>Message-ID: <3fed05d31c6ddc41...@mixmaster.it>
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:04:42 +0200 (CEST)
>
>In a little over a year Iron Mountain, Inc. (Andreas Heldal-Lund’s
>employer) has lost the data back up tapes of over 4 million customers.
>
What would it possible be to comment about that, apart from your not so
hidden attempt to tie Andreas to the issue?
Scientologist, are we? Yoda asks....
banchukita
Maybe it was a Scn, Inc. project to try to discredit Andreas through
'utterly ruining' his employer. Otherwise, there's nothing really
relevant here.
>
> Scientologist, are we? Yoda asks....
Use the force for good, Luke. Yoda already knows!
-maggie, human being
jerald
>From what I just read these tapes were lost in the U.S. If Andreas
did this he must have OT powers and you fokes had been watch out. :)
Now wouldn't life just suck if a critic ended up being the only one to
really have those powers??? lol
More misdirection and a waste of time.
jerald
Keith Henson
<nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>Subject: Fencing operation?
>Message-ID: <3fed05d31c6ddc41...@mixmaster.it>
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:04:42 +0200 (CEST)
>
>In a little over a year Iron Mountain, Inc. (Andreas Heldal-Lund’s
>employer) has lost the data back up tapes of over 4 million customers.
If you actually read the article, the tapes were lost in transit
before they became Iron Mountain's responsibility.
Keith Henson
Tilman Hausherr
the same: she posts something anonymously, then quotes it as an
independent opinion that she "discovered".
Tilman
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:36 GMT, hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith Henson)
wrote:
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
Barbara Schwarz
Tilman Hausherr wrote:
> Don't bother, it's just Barbara Schwarz. The modus operandi is always
> the same: she posts something anonymously, then quotes it as an
> independent opinion that she "discovered".
>
> Tilman
I have no time for such games. Those are OPC agent Tilman Hausherr's
way of operating.
What is he saying that I also the reporter who wrote that article about
Iron Mountain? What a nut Tilman is, as this article is the independent
opinion. It is easier for him to reduce the entire world just to one
person. He can't face it that Andreas and he have more than one critic.
BTW, how many feet documents did Tilman's wife Ilse steal from her
former husband? Did Tilman put her up to it?
http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fbidocs.html
Barbara Schwarz
--
Wikipedia (Wikipiggi), the brain child of porn search engine CEO Jimbo
Wales has all the characteristics of a destructive cult: Wikipiggists
(editors, admins, board, scribblers) work for free and are above the
law. They harass, defame, attack, lie, smear, conspire, misinform,
manipulate and violate the privacy of good people. Anybody, who doesn't
agree with the Wikipiggists is being blocked and banned. You are not
allowed to cite your constitutional rights as they ban you for that.
There is no justice or free speech within the Wikipiggi cult. I learned
that the average age of a Wikipiggist (who hide their own identity as
they don't want that anybody does to them what they do to others) is
only 17 years old, and besides unripe minds, you better expect criminal
histories. However, Jimbo Wales is older, and he should call his
corrupt kindergarden cult to apply decency, the laws and leave people
alone.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/5a0276f49798bb99
U.S. Congress sees Wikipedia as foul mud. We sure need laws against the
Wikipiggi cult.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635203427,00.html
Michael Pattinson
THE ABOVE POST IS FROM BARBARA SCHWARZ; (INFO BELOW FROM WIKIPEDIA)
Barbara Schwarz, née Bretschneider, is a German citizen living in Salt
Lake City, Utah. She is known for filing a large number of requests
under the United States Freedom of Information Act, for filing a large
number of lawsuits, and for posting a large number of articles to
Usenet newsgroups.
Contents
[hide]
* 1 Biography
* 2 Freedom of Information Act requests
* 3 Litigation history
* 4 Usenet history
* 5 Legal actions, court decisions, and FOIA appeals
* 6 References
* 7 External links
[edit]
Biography
Schwarz was the president of the German branch of the Church of
Scientology for 11 months, from August 3, 1983 until July 10, 1984. [1]
She considers herself a Scientologist [2] although she is no longer
active in the Church of Scientology (she says that she was "kicked out"
in 1984 [3]), and has filed at least seven lawsuits against it. [4]
[edit]
Freedom of Information Act requests
In 2003, The United States Department of Justice said that Schwarz was
unrivaled in the most requests filed by a single individual under the
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The Department reported that she had
submitted thousands of FOIA requests to the United States government
and its agencies.[1]Mike Beard, spokesman for the Oregon Department of
Administrative Services, estimated that Schwarz had cost taxpayers
thousands of dollars in staff time.[2] The United States Department of
Defense issued a ruling barring her from filing any further FOIA
requests until she pays for her prior requests. (She often claims
indigency to get fee waivers.) Daniel J. Metcalfe, co-director of the
United States Department of Justice's Office of Information and Privacy
said, "Ms. Schwarz is all alone in a category unto herself."[2]
Many of these FOIA requests attempt to substantiate her claims that she
is the granddaughter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower and the daughter
of Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, that she lived in a
secret submarine base under the Great Salt Lake until age four, that
she was kidnapped as a child by Nazis and taken to Germany, and that
her alleged husband Mark "Marty" Rathbun, who she alleges is the secret
heir to the Rothschild fortune was wrongfully arrested in Madrid, Spain
in 1988 and taken to the United States, where she believes he is
secretly being held. (Mark Rathbun was a high official with the Church
of Scientology's Religious Technology Center for many years until
September, 2005.) Linda Simmons Hight, the director of media relations
for the Church, stated, "We're clueless about this person and obviously
she is delusional about Mr. Rathbun and she needs help. We're sorry for
her." [1]
William Ferroggiaro, director of the Freedom of Information Project of
the National Security Archive at George Washington University and
president of the American Society of Access Professionals, said about
her, "Who's to say that one person's request has more validity than
anyone else's? It's value neutral. In a way, she is using the law as it
is intended even if her efforts cannot be characterized as anything but
bizarre."[1]
[edit]
Litigation history
Schwarz's thousands of FOIA requests have not proved fruitful in
finding the evidence she has been seeking. She has appealed, internally
with the various agencies, numerous times to keep looking for secret
documents and she has been informed numerous times that due diligence
has not revealed any documents related to her search. After exhausting
all her internal appeals with the various agencies, she has resorted to
filing suits against each of them.
She has filed over 80 lawsuits in federal court, Utah state courts, and
California state courts against a variety of public and private
agencies. She has filed suits against the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the
IRS, the President of the United States Bill Clinton, the National
Institute of Corrections, the U.S. Parole Commission, the National
Archives and Records Administration, the California Department of
Corrections, and the Salt Lake Tribune, who reported on her FOIA
requests and lawsuits.
The United States Supreme Court stated in SCHWARZ v. NSA (March 8,
1999), "Schwarz has repeatedly abused this Court's certiorari
process. ...Schwarz had filed 29 petitions for certiorari, all of which
were both patently frivolous and had been denied without recorded
dissent. The instant petitions for certiorari thus constitute
Schwarz's 34th and 35th frivolous filings with this Court." [5] The
court also issued a ruling in this case which permanently bars Schwarz
from utilizing the certiorari process of the United States Supreme
Court in civil matters.
Schwarz says that the reason she sued the Church of Scientology was to
find out the whereabouts of Rathbun.[6]
In every instance where Schwarz has filed a case, the ruling at the end
has been a dismissal of her lawsuit. Not once has she proven the merits
of her case to a court of law.
[edit]
Usenet history
Schwarz posts regularly to the Usenet newsgroup
alt.religion.scientology. Her posts are sometimes in defense of the
Church of Scientology, but other times she insists that while the
Church's "technology" (Hubbard's teachings) is effective, the current
hierarchy of the church is corrupt, due to "infiltration" by
non-Scientologists. [7] Other posts have recounted her travels during
the 1980s and how she was arrested on various occasions, including for
illegally entering the White House, and twice confined to a mental
health hospital in the U.S. and once in Germany. [8] [9] [10] [11]
According to Schwarz, these events were the result of a conspiracy by a
group called the "S</b>till E</b>xisting G</b>erman N</b>azi
P</b>sychiatrists' M</b>indcontroller S</b>ecret S</b>ervice"
(SEGNPMSS)." [12]
Schwarz frequently posted to Usenet from the Salt Lake City Public
Library. On October 21, 2005, Salt Lake City Library Director Nancy
Tessman permanently suspended her access to the library's computers due
to her spamming of Usenet. [13]
[edit]
Legal actions, court decisions, and FOIA appeals
* Supreme Court of the United States appeal of the following two
cases (98-7771 and 98-7782), both dismissed as frivolous.
Schwarz v. United States National Security Agency ET AL. 98-7771
Schwarz v. Executive Office of the President of the United States
ET AL. 98-7782
* Schwarz v. Federal Bureau of Investigation No. 00-2758 (Case
summary and appeal dismissal), 70 defendants.
* Schwarz v. Federal Bureau of Investigation No. 98-4036, 3087
defendants.
* Schwarz v. Central Intelligence Agency No. 99-4016
* Schwarz v. Department of Agriculture This was later re-filed as
over 90 separate cases. (In Barbara's own words.)
* Schwarz v. Department of Energy No. 99-3234, 807 defendants.
* Schwarz v. Department of Energy Request filed 09/19/2002
* Schwarz v. Department of Energy No. VFA-0700 (Decision and Order)
* Schwarz v. Department of Energy No. VFA-0701 (Decision and Order)
* Schwarz v. Department of Justice No. 95-2162; UNITED STATES
DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, May 31, 1996
* Schwarz v. Department of State No. 97-1342
* Schwarz v. Department of the Treasury No. 98-2406; UNITED STATES
DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, November 30, 2000
* Schwarz v. Government Accounting Office No. 00-369 (In Barbara's
own words.)
* Schwarz v. INTERPOL, ET AL; No. 94-4111, 94-4142, UNITED STATES
COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, February 28, 1995
* Schwarz v. National Archives & Records Administration 98-6820,
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, December 14, 1998
* Schwarz v. National Credit Union Administration Appeal of request
on October 15, 1999.
* Schwarz v. National Credit Union Administration Appeal of request
on February 14, 2000.
* Schwarz v. National Institute of Corrections (NIC) and Bureau of
Prisons (BOP)
* Schwarz v. Patent & Trademark Office No. 95-5349
* Schwarz v. Postal Rate Commission
* Schwarz v. Postal Rate Commission
* Schwarz v. Salt Lake Tribune, Media Newsgroup, ET AL Case No.
20030981-CA , COURT OF APPEALS OF UTAH , May 5, 2005
* Schwarz v. United States Navy
* Schwarz v. Duncan Case No. 990945-CA , COURT OF APPEALS OF UTAH,
June 15, 2000
* Schwarz v. Church of Scientology International and Utah State
Department of Corrections; Nos. 93-4082, 93-4092. UNITED STATES COURT
OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT November 2, 1993
* Barbara Schwarz v. FBI, Civil Action No. 00-2758(JDB) MEMORANDUM
OPINION Filed SEP 24 2002
* Schwarz v. Woodruff, Inc., No. 97-4004, UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, April 15, 1997
* Schwarz v. Church of Scientology Int'l, No. 94-4072, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, February 28, 1995
* Schwarz v. Salt Lake Tribune, Case No. 20041124-CA , COURT OF
APPEALS OF UTAH , 2005 UT App 189
* Schwarz v. IRS, 5:98-CV-286 (FJS)(GLS), UNITED STATES DISTRICT
COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, 998 F. Supp. 201; 1998
* Schwarz v. California Dep't of Corrections, No. C-92-4119 EFL,
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA,
June 10, 1993
* Schwarz v. NSA, 98-7771, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES,
April 26, 1999
* Schwarz v. Executive Office of the President, 98-7782, SUPREME
COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, April 26, 1999
* Schwarz v. FBI, 98-8150, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 526
U.S. 1037; 1999, March 29, 1999
* Schwarz v. FBI, 98-6817, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 525
U.S. 1053; 119 S. Ct. 616; 142 L. Ed. 2d 556; December 14, 1998
* Schwarz v. National Inst. of Corrections, 98-6818, SUPREME COURT
OF THE UNITED STATES, 525 U.S. 1053; December 14, 1998
* Schwarz v. United States Parole Comm'n, 98-6819, SUPREME COURT OF
THE UNITED STATES, 525 U.S. 1053; December 14, 1998
* Schwarz v. Department of State, 98-6316, SUPREME COURT OF THE
UNITED STATES, 525 U.S. 1025; November 30, 1998
* Schwarz v. Federal Bureau of Prisons, 98-6317, SUPREME COURT OF
THE UNITED STATES, 525 U.S. 1025; November 30, 1998, Decided
* Schwarz v. Executive Office of the President, 98-6318, SUPREME
COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 525 U.S. 1025; November 30, 1998
* Schwarz v. IRS, 98-6623, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 525
U.S. 1031; November 30, 1998
* Schwarz v. Woodruff, Inc., 97-7652, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES, 523 U.S. 1029; March 23, 1998
* Schwarz v. Woodruff, Inc., 96-9371, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES, 522 U.S. 845; October 6, 1997
* Schwarz v. Clinton, 96-9254, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES,
522 U.S. 837; October 6, 1997
* Schwarz v. Spalding, 96-8905, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES,
522 U.S. 826; October 6, 1997, Decided
* Schwarz v. Clinton, 97-5456, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES,
522 U.S. 895; October 6, 1997
* Schwarz v. MSPB, 96-9094, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 521
U.S. 1126; June 27, 1997
* SCHWARZ v. DEPT. OF JUSTICE, 96-8150, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES, 520 U.S. 1216; May 12, 1997
* Schwarz v. Brown, 96-7944, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES,
520 U.S. 1189; April 21, 1997
* Schwarz v. Commission on Civil Rights, 96-7943, SUPREME COURT OF
THE UNITED STATES, 520 U.S. 1175; April 14, 1997
* SCHWARZ v. WOODRUFF, INC., 96-7945, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES, 520 U.S. 1175; April 14, 1997
* SCHWARZ v. WOODRUFF, INC., 96-7946, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES, 520 U.S. 1175; April 14, 1997
* Schwarz v. Office of Gov't Ethics, 96-7932, SUPREME COURT OF THE
UNITED STATES, 520 U.S. 1175; April 14, 1997
* Schwarz v. Clinton, 96-7343, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES,
519 U.S. 1135; February 18, 1997
* Schwarz v. United States Fid. & Guar. Co., 95-8532, SUPREME COURT
OF THE UNITED STATES, 517 U.S. 1226;May 28, 1996
* Schwarz v. United States HHS, No. 02-5327 , UNITED STATES COURT
OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT , 2003 U.S. App., May
7, 2003
* Schwarz v. FBI, No. 02-5321 , UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT , 2003; April 10, 2003
* Schwarz v. United States HHS, No. 02-5327 , UNITED STATES COURT
OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, February 25, 2003
* Schwarz v. FBI, No. 02-5321 , UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, January 28, 2003
* Schwarz v. United States GAO, No. 01-5445, UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, March 29, 2002
* Schwarz v. DOE, No. 01-5413, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, 2002; March 25, 2002
* Schwarz v. Dep't of Agric., No. 01-5276 Consolidated with
01-5328, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
CIRCUIT, 22 Fed. Appx.9; 2001
* Schwarz v. United States Dep't of the Treasury, No. 00-5453,
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT,
2001 May 10, 2001
* Schwarz v. CIA, No. 99-4016, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE TENTH CIRCUIT, 182 F.3d 933; 1999, May 25, 1999
* Schwarz v. FBI, No. 98-2347, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE FOURTH CIRCUIT, November 5, 1998
* Schwarz v. NSA, No. 98-5364, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, November 12, 1998
* Schwarz v. National Archives & Records Admin. ., No. 98-4070,
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, 1998 Colo. J.
C.A.R. 5231, October 7, 1998
* Schwarz v. National Inst. of Corrections, No. 98-1230, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, 1998 Colo. J.C.A.R.
5236, October 6, 1998
* Schwarz v. Nat'l Inst. of Corr., No. 98-1230 , UNITED STATES
COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT , 161 F.3d 18; October 6, 1998
* Schwarz v. FBI, No. 98-4036 , UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE TENTH CIRCUIT , 161 F.3d 18; September 17, 1998
* Schwarz v. Department of State, No. 98-5101, UNITED STATES COURT
OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, 1998 U.S. App., July
29, 1998
* Schwarz v. Department of State, Office of Freedom of Info.,
Privacy & Classification Review, No. 98-5101, UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, 335 U.S. App. D.C. 320;
July 29, 1998
* Schwarz v. United States Parole Comm'n, No. 98-1685, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT, July 2, 1998
* Schwarz v. United States Parole Comm'n, No. 98-1685, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT, 153 F.3d 722; July 2,
1998
* Schwarz v. Clinton, No. 96-5328, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, 1997, May 22, 1997
* Schwarz v. Clinton, No. 96-5328, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, 325 U.S. App. D.C. 321;
Certiorari Denied October 6, 1997
* Schwarz v. Woodruff, Inc., No. 97-4004, UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, 111 F.3d 140; Certiorari Denied October
6, 1997,
* Schwarz v. MSPB, 96-3383, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE
FEDERAL CIRCUIT, February 18, 1997. Certiorari Denied June 27, 1997,
* Schwarz v. Clinton, No. 96-5209, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, November 29, 1996; Certiorari
Denied February 18, 1997
* Schwarz v. United States Comm'n on Civil Rights, No. 96-5184,
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT,
November 6, 1996
* Schwarz v. DOJ, No. 95-5421, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, 1996, October 23, 1996
* Schwarz v. DOJ, Office of Info. & Privacy, No. 96-5183, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, October
23, 1996
* Schwarz v. United States Office of Gov't Ethics, No. 96-5094,
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT,
October 23, 1996
* Schwarz v. Church of Scientology Int'l, No. 94-4072, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, 48 F.3d 1232; February
28, 1995
* Schwarz v. United States Postal Serv., No. 94-4136, UNITED STATES
COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, September 19, 1994
* Schwarz v. Department of Commerce, No. 93-5203, UNITED STATES
COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, December 16,
1993
* Schwarz v. California Dep't of Corrections, No. 93-16321, UNITED
STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT, October 13, 1993
* Schwarz v. Department of Commerce, No. 93-5203, UNITED STATES
COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT, October 14, 1993
* Schwarz v. United States Postal Serv., No. 93-4036, UNITED STATES
COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, June 3, 1993
* Schwarz v. Interpol, Office of Information & Privacy, No.
92-4108, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT, October
19, 1992
* Schwarz v. FBI, Civil Action No. 1:98-CV-47, UNITED STATES
DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA; August 7,
1998
* Schwarz v. California Dep't of Corrections, S038979, SUPREME
COURT OF CALIFORNIA, 1994 Cal., May 11, 1994
* Schwarz v. State of Utah Mental Health, Case No. 20030875-CA ,
COURT OF APPEALS OF UTAH, September 30, 2004
* Dep't of Human Servs. v. Schwarz, Case No. 20030324-CA , COURT OF
APPEALS OF UTAH , November 28, 2003
* Dep't of Human Servs., Div. of Mental Health v. State Record
Comm., Case No. 20010942-CA , COURT OF APPEALS OF UTAH , 2002 UT App
33; February 7, 2002
* Schwarz v. Duncan, Case No. 990945-CA , COURT OF APPEALS OF UTAH
, 2000 UT App 172; June 15, 2000
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Michael Pattinson schrieb:
> George Orwell wrote:
RFW:
MICHAEL PATTINSON (continued)
Following the dismissal of this criminal complaint, Pattinson and Berry
filed a civil suit in May of 1998, alleging, among other things, that
President Clinton, the U.S. Department of Treasury, the U.S. Secretary
of State, the U.S. Special Trade Representative, two IRS Commissioners
and the then Prime Minister of Russia, were part of some international
conspiracy to advance Scientology across the world.
This suit was either dismissed or voluntarily withdrawn for "amendment"
no less than six times. In fact, the filing and withdrawal of this
complaint was the subject of a sanctions order against Graham Berry for
frivolous and harassing litigation tactics.
When referring to Berry's complaint, Judges stated:
"But let me say this to you, [...] Mr. Berry, I really expect a
complaint that is - has a purpose to it that is not engaged in
something that goes out on the Internet which is a rambling tale of
irrelevancy. [...] And if we get a complaint back that is like this
complaint I really am going to listen to sanctions, and consider the
efforts these defendants have put into the matter up until now and in
other courts in assessing the sanction award." [U.S. District Judge
Snyder, September 28, 1998]
"With all due respect, Sir, I have to sadly state that if there is such
a thing on God's green earth as a vexatious litigant you, Sir, sadly,
are it." [Judge A. H. Williams, August 20, 1999]
Pattinson eventually re-filed his suit in State Court where it, too,
was dismissed, with costs awarded to the Church.
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Michael Pattinson
Atl least Wikipedia is on topic for Barbara Scwarz.
M
Magoo
"jerald" <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158859601.9...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hey there George,
>
>>From what I just read these tapes were lost in the U.S. If Andreas
> did this he must have OT powers and you fokes had been watch out. :)
> Now wouldn't life just suck if a critic ended up being the only one to
> really have those powers??? lol
> More misdirection and a waste of time.
>
> jerald
Exactly. What's he supposed to say: I didn't take anything from Boston, I'm
an Executive for Iron Mt in Norway?
DUH!
Tory/Magoo!
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Michael Pattinson schrieb:
> This is mostly about Graham Berry.
Oh, really. It is your kook case. I don't say that Graham has all his
marbles together but he can't file your case without your POA. There is
more about you on the RFW than this case. It also says that people sue
you as you don't pay your debts to them.
You also accused Marty Rathbun wrongfully of wanting to "deprogram"
you. You are so weird and unethical.
That thread was also not about me but about Andreas.
http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fbidocs.html
Barbara Schwarz
--
Eugenics promoter and American enemy Tilman Hausherr and habitual,
sexual harasser, forger and habitual offender Korey Jerome Kruse
(Vivaldi, Simaktu and other sockpuppets) scribbled a defamatory
misleading Wikipedia article about me. Kruse just came out of jail.
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
Another lying abuser who stalks me from thread to thread is Peat
Stapleton (Eru Avatar), alsimak_three @ yahoo.com, from Redding,
California, a dead beat with several social security numbers, self
confessed pimp and child rapist, and former inmate with a psychiatric
history, who runs astrology scans.
Here is info about my abuser and defamer Michael Pattinson from the UK:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/pattinsonm2.html
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Magoo schrieb:
> "jerald" <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158859601.9...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Hey there George,
> >
> >>From what I just read these tapes were lost in the U.S. If Andreas
> > did this he must have OT powers and you fokes had been watch out. :)
> > Now wouldn't life just suck if a critic ended up being the only one to
> > really have those powers??? lol
> > More misdirection and a waste of time.
> >
> > jerald
>
> Exactly. What's he supposed to say: I didn't take anything from Boston, I'm
> an Executive for Iron Mt in Norway?
>
> DUH!
>
> Tory/Magoo!
He is an executive in MT? I would like to see the books of that Norway
branch, how much company money goes in lawless activities as
persecuting religion, harassment, stealing copyright and personal
images.
Did they suppy the T-shirts for Andreases lawless trade of stealing
copyrighted photos and personal images?
Did he tell you how much money he made with the faces of Marty and
Warren? I know why he doesn't produce T-shirts with his own face,
because nobody except you would buy them.
How deeply is MT involved supporting the lawless activities of Andreas
Heldal Lund?
I doesn't need much to figure out that Andreas avoids to answer as he
has dirty hands.
http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fbidocs.html
Barbara Schwarz
--
Eugenics promoter and American enemy Tilman Hausherr and habitual,
sexual harasser, forger and habitual offender Korey Jerome Kruse
(Vivaldi, Simaktu and other sockpuppets) scribbled a defamatory
misleading Wikipedia article about me. Kruse just came out of jail.
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
Another lying abuser who stalks me from thread to thread is Peat
Stapleton (Eru Avatar), alsimak_three @ yahoo.com, from Redding,
California, a dead beat with several social security numbers, self
confessed pimp and child rapist, and former inmate with a psychiatric
history, who runs astrology scans.
Here is info about my abuser and defamer Michael Pattinson from the UK:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/pattinsonm2.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
Magoo
"Keith Henson" <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:451fe7b6....@news2.lightlink.com...
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:31:41 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
> <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
>>From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>>Subject: Fencing operation?
>>Message-ID: <3fed05d31c6ddc41...@mixmaster.it>
>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:04:42 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>>In a little over a year Iron Mountain, Inc. (Andreas Heldal-Lund's
>>employer) has lost the data back up tapes of over 4 million customers.
>
> If you actually read the article, the tapes were lost in transit
> before they became Iron Mountain's responsibility.
Oh come on now, Keith! Quit muddying up this total trash with some facts! :)
Tory/Magoo~~
antisectes
truck?
How many thefts are committed every day in trucks in USA, Barbie-nazie and
OSAgoonloons?
Do you have any idea of the number of files having been lost by scientology?
I bet with you that if I was asking my files to your cult, they would never find
them... despite the fact that they have them secured somewhere and copied them
as well as twisted parts of other people I know?
Can you say how much sensible data your crime cult has accumulated in
www.rtc.org report lines, many of them being nonsense but nevertheless mixed
with some who report the truth, like when some are reporting on DM and TC and
c°?
r>
>
antisectes
"Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1158876392....@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tilman Hausherr wrote:
>> Don't bother, it's just Barbara Schwarz. The modus operandi is always
>> the same: she posts something anonymously, then quotes it as an
>> independent opinion that she "discovered".
>>
>> Tilman
>
>
> I have no time for such games. Those are OPC agent Tilman Hausherr's
> way of operating.
your "times being only used to lie and twists and libels, we can't believe
you...
MackBuckler
wrote:
>"Keith Henson" <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:451fe7b6....@news2.lightlink.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:31:41 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
>> <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>>
>>>From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
>>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
>>>Subject: Fencing operation?
>>>Message-ID: <3fed05d31c6ddc41...@mixmaster.it>
>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:04:42 +0200 (CEST)
>>>
>>>In a little over a year Iron Mountain, Inc. (Andreas Heldal-Lund's
>>>employer) has lost the data back up tapes of over 4 million customers.
>>
>> If you actually read the article, the tapes were lost in transit
>> before they became Iron Mountain's responsibility.
Ever the "legal eagle" Keith is already in trial prep mode. Hopefully
(for Keith's sake) Judge White won't be involved.
>Oh come on now, Keith! Quit muddying up this total trash with some facts! :)
And you, "the trollop of trash talk", might want to do something about
the rank fumes emanating from your private "landfill".
>Tory/Magoo~~
>>
>> Keith Henson
--Mack
MackBuckler
>Magoo schrieb:
>> Exactly. What's he supposed to say: I didn't take anything from Boston, I'm
>> an Executive for Iron Mt in Norway?
>>
>> DUH!
A typical, "Homer Simpson" reply.
>> Tory/Magoo!
>
>He is an executive in MT? I would like to see the books of that Norway
>branch, how much company money goes in lawless activities as
>persecuting religion, harassment, stealing copyright and personal
>images.
Barbara, its probably a very complex money laundering operation.
--Mack
Zinj
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, mackb...@yahoo.com says...
<snip>
> And you, "the trollop of trash talk", might want to do something about
> the rank fumes emanating from your private "landfill".
>
> --Mack
The wonders of Scientology 'spirituality'
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Magoo
"MackBuckler" <mackb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158930326.5...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
God it's really sad to see how deeply stupid Scientology can turn people
into. I know, I was one of um.
And guess what? You're 100% FOS.
So sorry, go LOOK..........and then come talk. You couldn't be farther off.
But you CAN'T look, can you? And you don't see ~~that~~as an "Outpoint"? I
did, and that very fact lead me to true freedom.
Tory/Magoo~~
>
Magoo
Was that meant to me? God you people are amazing.
*I* Just went to Norway. I went into Iron Mountain and SAW what they
~~really~~do. Did you?
Errrrrrrrrrrrrr no, ya didn't, nor could you, or would you.
You'd rather just keep pumping out flat out bs and hope someone buys it.
Which thing did I say that you feel is trash? I'd love to hear, and I Know
the OSA drill: You won't say, because there's nothing I've said that's
trash. Sorry, pal, as I told you all when I was "in":
YOU all are C R E A T I N G your own enemies.
Still believe DM? LOOK! They're using you.
Your biggest mistake is underestimating the intelligence of the average
"Wog" (Non-Scientologist---that's what Scios call regular people, for anyone
new). They're ("wogs") WAY smarter than the vast majority of brain washed
people such as yourself.
Happy Friday :)
Tory/Magoo~~
>
>>>
>>> Keith Henson
>
> --Mack
>
jay random user
In message <451fe7b6....@news2.lightlink.com> on Thu, 21 Sep
2006 19:29:36 GMT, hkhe...@rogers.com (Keith Henson) wrote:
>If you actually read the article, the tapes were lost in transit
>before they became Iron Mountain's responsibility.
>
>Keith Henson
If *you* actually read the article, you might have seent that Iron
Mountain stated that *they* lost the tapes:
Iron Mountain said it lost the tapes in April. The tapes
were in a small container of backup tapes belonging
to a Texas-based Internet services provider that hosts
applications for City National and other banks. The
incident has been investigated by federal law-enforcement
officials and no evidence has been found of identity-theft
relating to the loss.
If you had minimally investigated Iron Mountain's practices, say
by looking at their *own web site*, you would have found out
that Iron Mountain performs the data courier operation itself, with
it's own fleet of vehicles, and therefore is responsible for them
from the moment they are picked up for transport to their
facility:
Iron Mountain owns over 2,800 transport vehicles world-
wide, customized to move your data under complete lockdown.
Like clockwork, we synchronize our tape pickup and delivery
with your backup schedule. Your tapes are transported in
secure vehicles to an Iron Mountain facility, and vaulted. At
key points in transport and handling, tapes are scanned for
tracking and to document the chain of custody. While
vaulted, tapes are secured by card-key access, video
surveillance, and highly trained security personnel.
Keith, are you *ever* going to learn to do your homework before
you mouth off?
Jay Random User
jay random user
In message <wVJQg.97$v14...@newsfe02.lga> on Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:47:21
-0700, "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>"Keith Henson" <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:451fe7b6....@news2.lightlink.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:31:41 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
>> <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>> If you actually read the article, the tapes were lost in transit
>> before they became Iron Mountain's responsibility.
>
>Oh come on now, Keith! Quit muddying up this total trash with some facts! :)
Keith's "facts" in this instance are false.
False facts do indeed muddy things up.
Jay Random User
ZretsulCuneX
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID: <oeb8h21vjh5splcg3...@4ax.com>
And the Organization Header: disorganized.
The famous author: jay random user <jay.ran...@somewhere.net>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: Andreas - no comment?:
Hrmmm, "The end justifies the means"?
Strange behaviour though, but there are some "critics" who works under
the assumption that if what they do or say further their goals, to hell
with ethics and morals.
Zinj
<90c8h2ptss6rm4ghr...@news2.lightlink.com>,
Zretsu...@invalid.invalid says...
Probably this 'item' has been adopted by people who should know
better because it offers an opportunity to denigrate the triple
threat of Henson, Andreas and Tory, for no apparent reason other
than that they're personae non dogpile this week.
I'm sure it's fun for the people on the other end of the
scoldingly pointed finger, but there is still *no* explaination
of what it has to do with Andreas (beyond his employment with
Iron Mountain), Clambake, Xenu.net or even Scientology or
Scientology Criticism.
It's not surprising that OSA sees it as fertile mulch for the DA
Garden, but then, they're insane. Why would anyone else?
It's no more relevant than the persistent rumors that Sten has
sunflower seed shells in the carpet pile under his driver's
seat.
bout...@yahoo.com
>
> Barbara, its probably a very complex money laundering operation.
>
> --Mack
You're being sarcastic right? Do you know anything about this company
or what it does? Are you familiar with any of its investors? When
Warren Buffet has a 5% stake in a company, you can bet that it's above
board. How about T. Rowe Price, Morgan Stanley, ever hear of 'em?
These three money managers alone own 15% of Iron Mountain. Apparently
their money laundering operation is sooo complex, they have outsmarted
the best.
ZretsulCuneX
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID: <MPG.1f7e00782...@news.day.sbcglobal.net>
And the Organization Header: BadCo.
The famous author: Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com>.
This "item". The little detail that Keith "lied" about the compamy not
having control over the tapes?
Why lie at all? Every sane person knows that Andreas has nothing to do
with what happens with or within his "mother company" in the U.S.
He works for a Norwegian branch.
>
>I'm sure it's fun for the people on the other end of the
>scoldingly pointed finger, but there is still *no* explaination
>of what it has to do with Andreas (beyond his employment with
>Iron Mountain), Clambake, Xenu.net or even Scientology or
>Scientology Criticism.
As I said....
>
>It's not surprising that OSA sees it as fertile mulch for the DA
>Garden, but then, they're insane. Why would anyone else?
Nobody else does, so why lie about the facts?
>
>It's no more relevant than the persistent rumors that Sten has
>sunflower seed shells in the carpet pile under his driver's
>seat.
>
>Zinj
You're more than welcome to vacuum my floor carpets in my car. I need to
do it anyhow, but if you're interested in what's under the drivers seat,
you're welcome to keep the content of the vacuum cleaner :-)
Zinj
@news2.lightlink.com>, Zretsu...@invalid.invalid says...
<snip>
> This "item". The little detail that Keith "lied" about the compamy not
> having control over the tapes?
And, that's what it really boils down to. OSA as usual wallows
in its dream that Andreas is now 'discredited' over a completely
irrelevant bit of corporate incompetence. You can't really
blame them; it's the best they've got, and they *have* to show
'wins' or face the consequences. After all; 'Ron' said there
would be juicy lurid blood sex crimes, and, since they haven't
found the *real* ones yet, it must mean that *this* bit of
irrelevancy is shockingly lurid.
Aha!
But, for the 'Mighty Elves' of #alt.religion.scientology it's
about the opportunistic chance to call Keith Henson a 'liar'.
Pretty fuckin impressive Sten :)
Aha!
ZretsulCuneX
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID: <MPG.1f7e061c3...@news.day.sbcglobal.net>
And the Organization Header: BadCo.
The famous author: Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: Andreas - no comment?:
>In article <ood8h2hoi67rkaulvribqpt2v45g87g5v2
You're so cute when you're angry Zinji. And so in the "change the subject
fast" mode.
I love you too cutie :-)
jay random user
In message <MPG.1f7e061c3...@news.day.sbcglobal.net> on Fri,
22 Sep 2006 19:40:48 GMT, Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <ood8h2hoi67rkaulvribqpt2v45g87g5v2
>@news2.lightlink.com>, Zretsu...@invalid.invalid says...
>
><snip>
>
>> This "item". The little detail that Keith "lied" about the compamy not
>> having control over the tapes?
>
>
>But, for the 'Mighty Elves' of #alt.religion.scientology it's
>about the opportunistic chance to call Keith Henson a 'liar'.
I didn't call Keith Henson a liar.
But I sure *documented* that he once again posted complete
and utter bullshit. Whether he *knew* it was bullshit - which is what
is required for him to qualify as a "liar" - is not known to me.
Keith Henson cannot be relied upon to make accurate factual statements
and I have demonstrated that repeatedly.
You have resorted to the same distraction tactics whenever I have
caught him out, Zinj.
Why do you throw in your support for this bullshit artist, Zinjafar ?
Jay Random User
Keith Henson
Re reading the article, the wording, especially the second case is
ambiguous, but it does look like Iron Mountain was responsible for
transporting the tapes.
Of course, if you want to be really paranoid about it, some cult could
have stolen the tapes for the sole purpose of making a company that a
critic works for look bad.
Before you say "Nah," consider the Ms Blood incident.
Keith Henson
>Jay Random User
Barbara Schwarz
"Michael Pattinson" <mpatt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158879660....@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
George Orwell wrote:
> From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
> Subject: Fencing operation?
> Message-ID: <3fed05d31c6ddc41...@mixmaster.it>
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:04:42 +0200 (CEST)
>
> In a little over a year Iron Mountain, Inc. (Andreas Heldal-Lund's
> employer) has lost the data back up tapes of over 4 million customers.
>
> These include, CitiGroup customers, Time-Warner employees and Long Island
> Railroad employees.
>
> Now its turns out that identity theft has hit a number of these customers.
> One source of these thefts was detected recently when a fraud ring,
> operating out of Las Vegas, was broken up by investigators. In questioning
> members of the ring agents were lead to electronic copies of stolen
> consumer financial information as well as high tech hardware devices being
> used in what agents termed, "a sophisticated fencing operation".
>
> http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=165701015
THE ABOVE POST IS FROM BARBARA SCHWARZ;
Another false statement by MP.
Crozo
every time I look at it. If these people are "religious extremists"
why doesn't anybody but Scientologists give a shit? You're such a
towel, Barbara.
MackBuckler
You tell me. After the data loss in April '06 Iron Mountain stock
dropped over $3.00 a share - about 8% of its value. I doubt Mr. Buffet
broke out the champagne.
How is it that multi-millions in unencrypted, proprietary client data
is entrusted to a driver who takes home maybe $30,000 a year? Is that
how you want your financial data handled?
--Mack
Crozo
Thank you for addressing what is really important life; accusing
critics of Scientology of crimes. Thank you again.
MackBuckler wrote:
bout...@yahoo.com
>
> You tell me. After the data loss in April '06 Iron Mountain stock
> dropped over $3.00 a share - about 8% of its value. I doubt Mr. Buffet
> broke out the champagne.
>
> How is it that multi-millions in unencrypted, proprietary client data
> is entrusted to a driver who takes home maybe $30,000 a year? Is that
> how you want your financial data handled?
>
Apparantly I don't have much of a choice in how my financial data is
handled. The truth is, anyone can be dishonest (politicians, judges,
cops, teachers, CEO's), so I would never equate someone's income or
stature in life with their ability or honesty to do their job. The
fact that YOU DO says a lot about your character. Thank you.
parker
The article wasn't unclear at all. Iron Mountain screwed up again. But
Keith needs to twist attention instead of admiting and apologizing for
confusing the issue in the face of obvious wrong.
The unsaid story here, to be a media critic for a moment, is that if
there had been a Scientologist involved in a scandal like this, as soon
as it hit the news, the same droolers who call themselves critics would
have been all over it. They would be extrapolating from dawn to
dementia - Oh, the cult is going to use the names to scam to, oh the
cult will be using them to promote Tom Cruise movies, oh, when the cult
sends me an announcement using the scammed data tapes, then I will sue
them for malicious dundering...well, the same type of dementia as Keith
trying to con us with the elaborately scammed Ms Blood incident.
Keith Henson
wrote:
snip
>>
>> Of course, if you want to be really paranoid about it, some cult could
>> have stolen the tapes for the sole purpose of making a company that a
>> critic works for look bad.
>>
>> Before you say "Nah," consider the Ms Blood incident.
snip
>..well, the same type of dementia as Keith
>trying to con us with the elaborately scammed Ms Blood incident.
Can you explain how the Ms Blood incident was "elaborately scammed"?
This should be very interesting.
Keith Henson
parker
What's interesting to a pathological liar and criminal are completely
outside my scope of interest.
What is interesting is how things work in the mythical world of this
newsgroup. Something happens, or is alleged to have happened, or
something is asserted or misquoted. Then that issue is speculated upon
with a dozen variations by the various yapping dogs that hang here.
Then one or more of the speculations become the new facts which are
further speculated upon until the myth is formed.
One presumes that there are some who know that they are lies, but they
have their own agenda and reasons to push the lies. One presumes that
there are some who are too stupid to tell, or so wrapped up in their
sophmore phase that they'll believe anything, as long as it lets them
hate something. And one presumes that there are some who are so lost in
their diminished capacity to tell the truth that they actually enter
the myth.
I suspect that you fit the latter type Keith, but then again, you just
might be stupid.
The Ms. Blood incident is a case in point, promulgated in several
variations by another pathological liar. Perhaps you actually believe
the myth.
Parker
> Keith Henson
Keith Henson
wrote:
As a guess based on years of observation, "Parker" is Bill Yaude. It
isn't nasty enough to be Linda Sarkovich (Google her to see).
>The Ms. Blood incident is a case in point, promulgated in several
>variations by another pathological liar. Perhaps you actually believe
>the myth.
Bill, thanks for the motivation to bring up scientology history of
harassing people. The Tom Klemesrud Ms Blood op ranks up there with
framing Paulette Cooper for a bomb threat Scientology made against
themselves, the faked hit and run op run on Gabe Cazares that ruined
his run for Congress and the decades long pointless harassment of
Susan Meister's parents.
There are many more, but these are the ones brought out in hearings.
They are *well* documented.
So was the Ms Blood op, in spite of the LAPD "losing" the 911 tape of
the incident. There was a backup of the tape at the Fire Department
which was transcribed. It backs up Tom's story, even in the matter of
him being drugged with the cult's (LRH's) favorite, chloral hydrate.
So new readers won't have to follow the link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/dad126ccfaae1658
. . . the early days of scientology
vs. the net, to Tom Klemesrud, Linda Woolard, -AB- (Rummelhart), and
penet in early 1995. The seemingly pointless Ms Blood operation has
long fascinated me. Only in the last year was the point of the
operation understood (to get Tom locked up and Support.com shut down
for an extended period while the police looked for a body to go with
the blood all over Tom's apartment). Some of my knowledge of these
events is confirmed, and a few more pieces of the puzzle are added.
The Ms Blood story is a spectacular example (on a par with framing
Paulette Cooper) of a scientology operation against Tom Klemesrud.
When the plan went sour and an internal leak came to light, possibly
exposing the whole operation, scientology manipulated the police as
far away as Finland through their lawyers and private investigators
and used the police to manipulate others such as anon.penet and
CalTech. They later manipulated the judge in a small claims court
which would not even *look* at Tom's side of the story when Ms Blood
sued Tom over being so scared of him she started bleeding again when
Tom was 1500 miles away at his father's funeral. They manipulated
Judge Whyte's court, and Tom's insurance company into an entirely
unjustified settlement. So far scientology has gotten away clean from
a long list of crimes and civil rights violations against Mr.
Klemesrud.
To recap for new readers, in early 1995 Tom was the sysop of
Support.com, a BBS/ISP run out of his bedroom. Support.com was then
the connection point to the net for major SP and former high-level
scientologist Dennis Erlich. "Jerry Ladd" was also posting from
Support.com. I am not sure he was ever identified. Tom had some
previous experience with the cult's corruption and knew some of the
IRS agents who had been involved. From:
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/ars-FAQ/20.htm
"Prior to January 14, 1995, [the date of the blood incident] I was
contacted by attorneys for the Religious Technology Center
(hereinafter referred to as "RTC"), a Church of Scientology
organization. The attorneys for RTC informed me that a subscriber to
my system, Dennis Erlich, was allegedly violating RTC's copyrighted
materials by making postings of those materials to the Internet. RTC's
attorneys demanded action to block Mr. Erlich's access to the Internet
via my bulletin board system. I contacted RTC's attorneys and
requested that they provide me with copies of the copyrighted
materials so that I could compare it with what Mr. Erlich had posted
to the Internet. They refused to do so and I refused to take action
against Mr. Erlich.
"On January 14, 1995, I was in contact with plaintiff [Linda Woolard,
aka "Miss Bloodybutt"] herein for the first and only time in my life.
"I met the plaintiff at a bar. Contrary to her assertions that I
approached her, she approached me. She identified herself as an agent
for the IRS. [Editorial note--Linda may have been an IRS/"Church Tax
Compliance Committee" agent authorized by the secret deal between the
IRS and scientology.] Part of our discussion concerned the bulletin
board system I operated and she expressed an interest in seeing the
system. Therefore, the plaintiff accompanied me to my apartment in
North Hollywood.
"The bar was in Burbank on my way home. I have not been there for
years. I do not hang out there. I know the management there and is why
I chose to go there. You would think they had to have been following
me.
"She--or someone else--had to have at least been following me from the
Burbank airport. The cab driver was the only one who knew where I
wanted to go. We had trouble finding the place too, driving back and
forth on the surrounding streets. They may have been in touch with the
airline, according to info I have.
"'Miss Blood' got access to the internet site by claiming to be an IRS
CID agent, re-investigating the tax status of the CoS. I sat down a
light colored dinette chair for her to sit on. There were no stains on
that chair after she had sat on it--I have witnesses. So, she was not
bleeding-- "soaking," before she went into the bathroom.
"She excused herself to the bathroom. She took some time, so I checked
on her to find much blood _smeared_ all over the bathroom: On the
floor, walls, shower doors, but little in the toilet. After I had
discovered her, she came out of the bathroom and said: "I am from the
Church of Scientology, and I think that you should do as Thomas Small
has instructed you to do--delete Dennis Erlich from the BBS."
"I am just reporting what happened. The first thing she said when I
found her sitting on the toilet in the bathroom with about a pint of
blood on the floor in front of her was: "Tom, we have got to stop
having rough sex like this."
"Of course, I was fully clothed, with my shoes on, being a gentleman,
because previous to this, she was an IRS Criminal Investigation
Division agent in my mind. She impersonated one, and dropped names
that are only know previously in confidential files at IRS CID, or to
a former Federal Grand Jury. Woolard was engaging in psychological
terrorism, in my opinion. Or, perhaps she thought by mentioning this
bizarre notion, I might believe it happened.
"I was shocked, and went to call for help. She came out of the
bathroom and came to me saying this: "I am a representative of the
Church of Scientology, and I think you should do as attorney Thomas
Small has said you should do--disconnect Dennis Erlich from the
Internet."
"She immediately returned to the bathroom.
"She told me she was sent on a mission to do what she was doing. I
believe she did not know I had called the police and had left the
apartment door wide open for them to come in. She was surprised to see
them. She left several things behind.
"Then she came out undressed, saying: "I have been sent on a mission,
and I have been instructed to put some blood in your bed." She said
this courteously, with a smile. As she turned to lay down on the bed,
I saw the sausage of blood nestled in her crotch. She wiggled her butt
in the bed, got up, looked at the stain on the sheets to see if she
liked the stain, and returned to the bathroom. She did this with no
interference from me.
"A phone call was placed to 911. However, the telephone call was
placed by me. When the police came to my apartment, I was in fact
arrested on the false allegations of the plaintiff that I threatened
her. The police never pursued these allegations.
"She told the police she had a unique medical problem. This problem is
of the type that caused a few pints of blood to be smeared on bathroom
walls, in my shower, on carpets, my chairs, and bed. The medical
problem takes the form of causing all my linens, and new rolls of
toilet paper to be strewn on the floor and rubbed in the produce of
her problem.
"In fact, the blood came from a bag, bladder, or balloon nestled in
her crotch. I saw it. If this is a medical problem, then she has an
intestine or artery running outside her body filled with cold almost
coagulated blood."
**********88**********
Tom suspects his drinks were drugged and the drug was probably the
cult's favourite, chloral hydrate, also used to keep Lisa McPherson
under control while she died of dehydration. Tom has a high tolerance
to downers and it seems Ms Woolard did not use enough. Tom spoiled
the operation by calling the police after he discover her spreading
blood all over his bathroom and bedroom. If this was not an act of
terrorism, I don't know what it would be called. (The police copy of
the 911 recording went missing--common for Scientology cases--but a
backup tape from the fire department was found. The transcript is
posted in a number of places on the Internet, for example a March 22,
2001 posting by ptsc in the thread "Recap of the story of Miss
Bloodybutt - for Tom Klemesrud.") The police who came in response
to his call to arrested Tom
911 and he spent the night in jail based on false accusations of
threats by Ms Woolard. Ms Woolard refused medical treatment and
vanished after the police arrived. The details of this bizarre story
are on the Internet:
http://www.planetkc.com/sloth/sci/Fair_game_ord.html
Ms Woolard even left her address book and had tried to make calls to a
private detective, Gene Ingram. Ingram (a former police officer
kicked out of the Los Angeles Police Department) is paid over $700,000
a year by Scientology for his work intimidating people and running
operations such as the one against Tom Klemesrud. It is not known if
Ms Woolard was a scientologist, but (I believe) her sister was
eventually found to be one.
There was no question this was a Scientology operation, but the goal
of the operation was not clear for a number of years. March 22, 2001
freebi...@aol.com posted:
"Scientology's OSA department had one or two of its 'agents' work on a
DA package including the incident even before Ms. Bloodybutt tried to
frame Tom Klemesrud. That DA package was to included the claim that
Tom Klemesrud was being questioned by the police about murdering a
woman. (An anonymous telephone call to the police by a woman screaming
for help was probably planned, but the woman was too drunk to perform
the call or remember to call.) The plan was to make Tom Klemesrud
appear that he had murdered someone and then successfully hide /
dispose of the body, and to have him incarcerated for a crime that had
not even been committed."
Tom was not even the primary target of this operation. The entire
over-complicated operation was done with the object of getting Dennis
Erlich, a former high-level Scientologist, and subscriber to Tom's
Internet service, support.com, off the net. Dennis had earned the ire
of Scientology by openly talking about their "secrets," particularly
the OT3/Xenu story and Scientology's illegal practice of medicine
using "emeters."
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/rnewman/erlich/home.html.
As we have long known -AB- (Sea Org member Thomas Gerard Rummelhart,
former radio officer of the Freewinds) was working at "INCOMM," the
cult's computer operation in LA. In late 1994, early 1995, he was
reading and posting on a.r.s. There may have been no specific
provision against it in those days but -AB- was paranoid enough to be
posting through that anon remailer at penet. Perhaps he figured the
general prohibition against contact with SPs applied.
When Tom's version of the Ms Blood story showed up on a.r.s, -AB- had
seen a different story in someone's files on the INCOMM computers. If
the cult's assertion on legal papers supplied to the police in Finland
can be believed, the document had never been on paper. In the 1992
Caltech Alumni Directory -AB- was listed this way:
RUMMELHART, Thomas G.; '84 MS EE; r. Same as Business;
b. Computer Operations Dir.; Incomm, 4833 Fountain Ave.,
Los Angeles, CA 90029, 213 664-0371
So he almost certainly had root access at INCOMM.
January 23, 1995 -AB- posted Ingram's/Ms Blood's version on a.r.s
through penet and a mail2news gateway from his account at Cal Tech,
thinking (no doubt) he was doing a good deed defending scientology.
Jan 25, 1995 according to an ARS posting, he sent the name and phone
number of Linda Woolard (Ms Blood) to Vega. (There's a name not seen
in a while!)
What he did not realize was that the "shore story" of the partly
failed blood attack on Tom Klemesrud was an internal maximum level
scientology secret until released--and no decision had been made about
releasing it. When the story appeared on a.r.s, prior to Helena
Kobrin faxing a close version to the Los Angeles Times, or even any
copies being printed, it looked to the powers running the Ms Blood
operation that their internal secret computer files were being tapped.
(Knowing scientology, David Miscavige was probably micromanaging the
operation against Tom Klemesrud and was in a diminutive frothing
fury.)
-AB- knew they were after him and posted in reply to "Old Timer" about
11 pm PST January 25:
> There is something about this cycle...I can not put my finger
> on it...but maybe just maybe there is some truth to -AB-.
> I do not feel OSA had anything to do with a set up. I also
> feel, more investigation IS warranted.
> I am asking for a Board of Investigation.
> Old Timer
Why thank you, O.T.! And you risk being branded "OSA" along
with me! Your courage is encouraging that one day a.r.s will pursue
more truth and less bashing and accusations that no one ever proves
on one side or the other.
I told in another post how I got the data, and I submit that to
the B of I. On top of that I also sent you the exact name and phone
number of Linda, by private e-mail. Since it seems that some feel now
that Vega and I are "OSA" <sheesh>, maybe they will believe you.
I am not OSA. In fact OSA is looking for me since I "scooped" them
on this and got to the bottom of it before they did. But I choose to
remain anon to both sides. FWIW.
Peace,
AB
**********88***********
This was the last known posting from -AB-.
From what we can see from the outside, there was a frantic, no expense
barred, effort using Gene Ingram, the LAPD, then Interpol, the Finnish
police and the LAPD again to determine how the leak had occurred.
The LA Times Feb 22, 1995 reported:
"Helsingius refused at first to knuckle [under] to the church's
demands, but he
says the search warrant gave Finnish authorities the right to seize
his
computer, which contains the identity of all 200,000 people who have
sent
messages through anon.penet.fi during its 2 1/2 years of existence.
Faced
with a potentially catastrophic loss of confidentiality--anon.penet.fi
processes more than 7,000 messages daily, mostly for
Americans--Helsingius and his attorney negotiated a compromise: On
Feb.
8, he gave police the single identity in question.
"Within the hour, Helsingius reports, a church representative told him
the church had the name. (A church spokeswoman contacted would say
only
that "we took actions to handle illegal posting," insisting that her
organization was simply defending its rights. As for anonymous
posting,
the spokeswoman added, "People should be responsible for what they
do.")"
Julf Helsingius, the administrator of anon.penet.fi, wrote:
"Based on a request from Interpol, the Finnish police have gotten a
search&seizure warrant on my home and the anon.penet.fi server, and
gotten the real mail address of a user that has allegedly posted
material stolen from the Church of Scientology. Fortunately I managed
to prevent them from getting more than this one, single address."
The information they got pointed back to an account,
t...@alumni.caltech.edu on the Cal Tech computers. Within hours
scientologists were there. Cal Tech system administrators at first
would not give up the name. Months later Rich Fagen Director, Campus
Computing Organization Caltech wrote:
By r...@cco.caltech.edu (Richard E. Fagen)
26 Jun 1995 16:24:03 GMT
"On Wednesday afternoon, February 8th, three private investigators
visited the Caltech Security Office and the Campus Computing
Organization. The P.I.s wanted to know the identity of the holder of
the account "tc" on the Caltech Alumni Association computer system
(alumni.caltech.edu). They claimed to have gotten the account name
from the anon.penet.fi server via the Helsinki police. Due to the
unusual nature of this request, the P.I.s were told that Caltech would
need more information before this type of information could be given
out. Later that day, an attorney representing the Church of
Scientology called the campus computing support office demanding the
name of the account holder. The attorney claimed that a document had
been stolen from a CoS computer system, and that the document had been
posted to the a.r.s newsgroup from alumni.caltech.edu via the anon
remailer. (The claim was the document was created on Jan. 21 and
appeared in a.r.s. on Jan. 24). The computing support staff did not
divulge the name of the account holder, and the CoS attorney was
referred to the Caltech General Counsel's office.
"The Computer Crime Unit of the Bunco-Forgery Division of the LAPD
subsequently contacted Caltech security and asked for more information
on the case. The LAPD wanted to know if a breakin to the CoS computer
had occurred from the alumni system. Caltech told the LAPD that no
evidence of such a break in could be found. The LAPD requested and was
given the name of the "tc" account holder with the understanding that
this information would not be divulged. A couple days after that
Caltech was informed that the LAPD could find no evidence that a crime
had been committed.
"In the ensuing several days, the attorney and P.I.s representing CoS
made repeated attempts (both via phone and by physically appearing on
the Caltech and JPL campuses) to obtain the contents of the tc account
and also the tape backups (the account holder had admitted to deleting
most of the contents of the account). The CoS attorney produced a
letter allegedly signed by the tc account holder allowing CoS
permission to get the data stored on that account and the backups. Due
to irregularities with both the letter and a phone conversation with
the account holder, permission for CoS to have access to the data in
the account was denied by Caltech.
"After the CoS attorney and P.I.s continued their attempts to get the
data, Caltech retained the counsel of an independent law firm. Soon
after that, all communication with the CoS ended. One phone call from
the tc account holder requesting the backup data was received by the
computing support staff. This request was also denied. That was the
last communication with the account holder."
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/scientology/anon/penet.html
It is looks like an LAPD fraud investigation officer forced
Rummelhart's name out of Cal Tech and gave it to scientology. However
they found him, Rummelhart was obviously confronted and put under
pressure to try to get his files on Cal Tech's computer restored from
tape and returned to the cult. (So they could check what *else* he
had been doing.)
After this episode, of course, he would never be trusted or permitted
to be on staff. He had been granted the highest level security
clearance for working on their central computers, yet he had been
exposed as a major SP. (Anyone who gets upper management's shorts in
a knot qualifies as a major SP. Tom suspects that Rummelhart tried
to make amends by breaking in to his mailbox and stealing his identity
and that Rummelhart showed up at the small claims action with Ingram
and Wollard.)
There was a good deal of speculation and worry at the time that he
might have been imprisoned in the RPF or even killed. A good number
of months later he was reported as having been located in the New
England area but I don't believe anyone has reported speaking to him.
Apparently he was thrown out, though he might have been held as a
prisoner for a long time--possibly even to this day. (The cult just
does that, and people are so terrorized by the experience they seldom
talk before the statute of limitations runs out. The kidnapping and
hideous abuse of TF being a case on point.)
So far this is a recap of what we already knew or had guessed right.
What we *didn't* know (or at least *I* didn't know) was that the
people around -AB- in INCOMM were also horribly abused. They were
blamed for not detecting an SP! Some were sent to the RPF, a few of
those most remote from -AB- were kept because otherwise the computers
would have been shut down, a bunch of them went to "lower" sea orgs
like FB and PAC Estates after intense interrogation and a few months
of house arrest. Those in the RPF were in for various lengths of
time, some for years, and one of them may be there to this day. None
of the tossed INCOMM people ever went back to INCOMM.
However this information was obtained, I got the impression from the
person I was talking to it had been known for a *long* time. Perhaps
NSA's interest in the cult didn't end in 1977 and they *did* have a
fly on the wall. Or perhaps people who were there have since talked
to the Feds like Jesse Prince did.
Thomas Gerard Rummelhart if you are reading a.r.s, I would *love* to
hear from you. The phone here in Canada is xxxxxxx. If you feel
email is better, my PGP key is on the servers, but the servers seem to
be acting up lately so I will append it.
What bothers me is that people in US government law enforcement had
detailed knowledge in 1995 about scientology's attempt to frame Tom
Klemesrud for murder just like scientology had successfully framed
Paulette Cooper for bomb threats back in the 70s. I get a shrug when
I express amazement at this. Maybe it is not a Federal crime.
Scientology *did* get Tom falsely arrested and later manipulated (or
outright corrupted) a small claims court to provide Ms Blood with a
cover justification and manipulated a Federal court (Judge Whyte's) so
scientology's operation against Tom was not exposed.
When -AB- reported the cult's "shore story" of the operation against
Tom on a.r.s, scientology manipulated Interpol, the Finnish police,
the Los Angeles Police Department, and through them Cal Tech in a
private prosecution to find him. When they located their target,
brutal coercion was applied to him. It just amazes me that the US
government would let scientology brazenly commit crimes and usurp the
government's function of investigation and prosecution even in those
days when there was a rule against investigating scientology. (Of
course, the government never charged anyone for the criminal coercion
scientology applied to get the illegal tax exemption from the IRS or
for manipulating the US Attorney and a grand jury into indicting
Paulette Cooper either.)
**************
Since this was written Dan Garvin, former Sea Org who was a first hand
witness to the events at INCOMM verified this story in great detail.
What Really Happened in INCOMM - Part 1
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/3d23b12d4264e8fc
What Really Happened in INCOMM - Part 2
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/b0949c0e7484657f
Long fascinating threads from both of these postings.
And Tom Klemesrud signed a declaration that he is now convinced he was
dosed with chloral hydrate that evening back in January 1995.
http://www.operatingthetan.com/tomklem.pdf
Now, Bill (Parker) aren't you happy that the newcomers to a.r.s get to
read all about insane cult ops?
Keith Henson
R. Hill
<snip - see
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/d5cbd0b85dcbee82
> There was a good deal of speculation and worry at the time that he
> might have been imprisoned in the RPF or even killed. A good number
> of months later he was reported as having been located in the New
> England area but I don't believe anyone has reported speaking to him.
> Apparently he was thrown out, though he might have been held as a
> prisoner for a long time--possibly even to this day. (The cult just
> does that, and people are so terrorized by the experience they seldom
> talk before the statute of limitations runs out. The kidnapping and
> hideous abuse of TF being a case on point.)
Who is TF? Where can I find more details?
Ray.
<snip - see
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/d5cbd0b85dcbee82
I_Am_Fish
Here's where you're wrong. Not everyone can be dishonest. A
Scientologist certainly couldn't be, not the Most Ethical People On the
Planet. I think it's clear what must be done here. All financial data
must be handled by a Scientologist, preferably a Sea Org or OSAer.
Those two groups would NEVER anything detrimental!
Keith Henson
wrote:
>Keith Henson wrote:
>> On 30 Sep 2006 20:53:55 -0700, "parker" <parker...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
><snip - see
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/d5cbd0b85dcbee82
>
>> There was a good deal of speculation and worry at the time that he
>> might have been imprisoned in the RPF or even killed. A good number
>> of months later he was reported as having been located in the New
>> England area but I don't believe anyone has reported speaking to him.
>> Apparently he was thrown out, though he might have been held as a
>> prisoner for a long time--possibly even to this day. (The cult just
>> does that, and people are so terrorized by the experience they seldom
>> talk before the statute of limitations runs out. The kidnapping and
>> hideous abuse of TF being a case on point.)
>
>Who is TF? Where can I find more details?
Ask me in email
Keith Henson hkhenson(at)rogers(dot)com
parker
Keith Henson wrote:
> On 30 Sep 2006 20:53:55 -0700, "parker" <parker...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Keith Henson wrote:
> >> On 28 Sep 2006 16:15:37 -0700, "parker" <parker...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> snip
> >> snip
> >What's interesting to a pathological liar and criminal are completely
> >outside my scope of interest.
> >
> >What is interesting is how things work in the mythical world of this
> >newsgroup. Something happens, or is alleged to have happened, or
> >something is asserted or misquoted. Then that issue is speculated upon
> >with a dozen variations by the various yapping dogs that hang here.
> >Then one or more of the speculations become the new facts which are
> >further speculated upon until the myth is formed.
> >
> >One presumes that there are some who know that they are lies, but they
> >have their own agenda and reasons to push the lies. One presumes that
> >there are some who are too stupid to tell, or so wrapped up in their
> >sophmore phase that they'll believe anything, as long as it lets them
> >hate something. And one presumes that there are some who are so lost in
> >their diminished capacity to tell the truth that they actually enter
> >the myth.
> >
> >I suspect that you fit the latter type Keith, but then again, you just
> >might be stupid.
>
> As a guess based on years of observation, "Parker" is Bill Yaude. It
> isn't nasty enough to be Linda Sarkovich (Google her to see).
Typical;
Can't address the real issue, so bring up some other lie.
Can't shoot the messenger, since you don't know who I am, so you make
up another lie, and libel someone else in the process.
Then you go off on some disingenuous rant regarding something that has
already been beaten to death years earlier...and not with the same
result that you just pulled from your fugitive ass.
Parker
Beckyboo
Actually, you are typical Parker (Yaude)... and transparent too for
someone who's taking a good long hard look.
>
> Can't address the real issue, so bring up some other lie.
Hey, you want to really clear it up! Email Keith...he gave you his
email address. And I emailed him...so trust me it's safe. But, you
might want to be careful of whom else you actually email on here. They
may try to use it against you. I'd say from my limited experience that
anyone anonymous is not a good bet to email or even to trust about what
they are posting. Anonymous jerks are what they are..... little men
attacking from behind their computers. You are nothing. This is your
message basically.
"......" But you don't deserve the quotation marks.
>
> Can't shoot the messenger, since you don't know who I am, so you make
> up another lie, and libel someone else in the process.
>
Libel? c'mon.... you are so dramatic.... Lies? Who's lying here? I'd
put my money on you... Parker (Yaude) or whatever other goofy nickname
you want to take...the good ones are all taken? Awwww
We are crying and feel so sorry for you. Poor Yaude. Looking rather...
limp.
--
Becky
Jommy Cross
msg <1160237269.8...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>:
<snip>
>Typical;
>
>Can't address the real issue, so bring up some other lie.
>
>Can't shoot the messenger, since you don't know who I am, so you make
>up another lie, and libel someone else in the process.
>
>Then you go off on some disingenuous rant regarding something that has
>already been beaten to death years earlier...and not with the same
>result that you just pulled from your fugitive ass.
You didn't read what you snipped, d00d?
Incident zero: Ron trolled you
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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Parker the Presumptuous is a fuckin' blowhard. "One presumes blah,
blah, blah." You'd think he'd get a clue, but alas, presumption is his
mindset of choice. All he needs is a working hand, a comfy bed, some
hand lotion, and his own presumptions, and he'll be getting off in no
time at all. Happy wanking, asshole.