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Chiron
place to post messages. In the interests of free speech and avoiding
censorship, there is very little oversight of these groups. That was
part of the idea behind newsgroups and the Internet - the free
exchange of ideas, even when those ideas might seem offensive to
others. The expectation was that the Internet community would self-
police, shunning those who were extreme so that they had little if any
audience. It actually worked, for a while.
The explosion of Internet use changed all that. Now, no matter how
utterly nonsensical, bigoted and offensive you are, you can find at
least a few people who will talk to you, even if they'll only argue
with you. The wonders of modern technology.
Even so, there is very little chance of getting someone banned by
their ISP or any newsgroup for anything short of actual criminal
activity, and then it's still quite difficult. A competent cracker
can easily spoof his identity, use remote machines to send his
messages, and hide his identity. There are services that permit such
activities for those of us who aren't so competent at stealth. You
can use anonymizer services, for example. Hiding is easy. Tracking
people down is hard.
Yes, you can eventually track these people down and get them shut down
or banned, if there is an incentive to do that. However, without the
use of subpoenas and other legal means, it's nearly impossible. And
there is very little motivation to do it. It's expensive, difficult,
time-consuming, and opens you to civil and potentially even criminal
liability. Not worth it, to try to settle the squabbling of a bunch
of immature children (of whatever age) arguing over who's a big
booger.
Just get over it. People will be mean, bigoted, angry, foolish,
threatening, and all that stuff, and there's nothing much you can do
about it but ignore them or block them from your newsreader. If
you're using Google, you're pretty much hosed. I don't know of a way
to block people on Google. But no one says you have to read their
junk, if you don't want to.
Writing these scary petitions or complaint letters only makes you look
even dumber than you've managed to look before - and that was pretty
dumb, in my opinion.
And trying to counter this by gay-bashing is idiotic. You think Chief
hasn't heard it all, knows all the mean-spirited comments, etc.? It's
just more of the same. Sure, he's an idiot (in my opinion). But why
become an idiot just to try to annoy him? Especially since I really
don't believe you're so anti-gay as you keep claiming. I think it's
just a pose to piss off the Chief.
OK, off my soapbox. Some day before I die, I want to talk about
angels. I may need to live to be 100 or more, but one can always
dream.
Mark Earnest
"Chiron" wrote...
>Some day before I die, I want to talk about
> angels. I may need to live to be 100 or more, but one can always
> dream.
If you are willing to talk to angels, then you can properly talk about
angels.
How can you talk about them unless you know them?
Chiron
That has never once stopped anyone from pontificating in great detail
about a topic. In fact, sometimes I think that it's a requirement -
you can't talk about something, if you know anything about it...
The Tao Te Ching says, "Those who say, don't know. Those who know,
don't say."
Mark Earnest
"Chiron" <chir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1193363068....@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
When you talk about something, the something has to literally be there, with
you talking all around it.
Spiritually speaking, of course.
Chief Thracian
wrote:
>The expectation was that the Internet community would self-
>police, shunning those who were extreme so that they had little if any
>audience. It actually worked, for a while.
Well, it hasn't succeeded, has it? A HUGE number of groups have been
targeted for hateful spam, most ESPECIALLY the gay-relevant ones...but
not exclusively.
>Even so, there is very little chance of getting someone banned by
>their ISP or any newsgroup for anything short of actual criminal
>activity,
Threatening people w/violence, and impersonating them in ways to
defame their character ARE criminal actions. Usenet is a public arena,
not private...and thus are under the same laws thatn ALL public areas
are, matters not whether online or offline.
There are PLENTY of cases where people lost their access to the
Internet, just for that sort of criminal activity.
>and then it's still quite difficult.
Wrong. Not any more. The problem is that ISP and Usenet services are
already over-stretched with running these services, thus do not have
the TIME to track down the worst offenders. Just like the police, who
are overburdened with budget deficits: a lot of serious crimes are
ovelooked, or take a lot more time to resolve.
>A competent cracker
>can easily spoof his identity, use remote machines to send his
>messages, and hide his identity.
You said "competent"...those are quite few and far between. And
doesn't describe ANY of the dickwads here, who are INCOMPETENT
buffoons in MANY ways, not just as netizens.
>There are services that permit such
>activities for those of us who aren't so competent at stealth. You
>can use anonymizer services, for example.
Bad example. For one: do you really BELIEVE you are THAT anonymous?
Ha, you're a fool, then!
>Yes, you can eventually track these people down and get them shut down
>or banned, if there is an incentive to do that. However, without the
>use of subpoenas and other legal means, it's nearly impossible.
Wrong. A news server can EASILY shut someone down for
racist/homophobic/violent remarks. They only lack the resources, at
this time. But times are changing, and with it, more sophisticated
tools and methods are now in use, to more EASILY track down serious
offenders, and more CHEAPLY.
And if a news server is lax in this matter, the ISP through whom the
netizen is posting, can override the news server, and shut down their
customer.
>Not worth it, to try to settle the squabbling of a bunch
>of immature children (of whatever age) arguing over who's a big
>booger.
This is not what is going on. To compare outright homophobia and
threats of violence with such trivial examples, is manipulative, and
deceptive. These are serious offenses which are NO LESS serious, just
because they occur in cyberspace. It is STILL a puble arena.
>Just get over it. People will be mean, bigoted, angry, foolish,
Go back in a time machine, and tell that to blacks at the Watts Riot.
Tell that to Native Amerikans at Little Big Horn. Tell that to gays at
the Stonewall Riots.
>Writing these scary petitions or complaint letters only makes you look
>even dumber than you've managed to look before - and that was pretty
>dumb, in my opinion.
Well, by misleading these jerkwads via your INTENTIONAL
disinformation, I'd say you're really on MY side. Because you lower
their guard by making them think they can continue to get away with
their excessive bigotry. Thus making it so much EASIER to track them
down, and press charges.
What is so great about Usenet, is that NO message is ever truly
erased. Therefore, even if one can't press charges on the offenders
right away, there will come a time when the WORST offenders can be
tracked down RETROACTIVELY (no matter how far in the past), and
brought before a court.
>And trying to counter this by gay-bashing is idiotic.
I doubt you'd make such a bald claim, were BLACKS being villified in
the same way.
And that is why none of my attackers have the GUTS to express their
RACISM, as excessively as they do their HOMOPHOBIA. They know that
they'll either have run-ins with the law, or, more likely, run-ins
with a black brother or two!
> But why become an idiot just to try to annoy him?
They didn't BECOME idiots by attacking me...they've BEEN idiots since
they day they popped out of a skanky vagina in some dumpster in a back
alley.
>Especially since I really don't believe you're so anti-gay as you
>keep claiming.
What they REALLY believe is irrelevant. What they DO and SAY is the
important thing, here. Try telling a judge: "I'm not REALLY anti-gay,
I just say those things to have fun." See where THAT will get you.
(EXTRA time in prison, no doubt.)
>Some day before I die, I want to talk about angels.
Well, in so doing you will be barraged by psychobabble dipwads who
don't WANT you to talk about angels. Even if you're NOT gay. Just give
it a try!
Nonetheless, a big THANKS for putting these creeps off their guard, by
your erroneous explanations. I will shortly come up with a TRUTHFUL
and ACCURATE document on the legal ins and outs of Usenet
participation. Suffice it to say that MOST usenet terms of service DO
put the kibosh on defamatory statements, and threats. Here's but two
of MANY examples:
EXAMPLE 1:
From usenet-access.com:
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forum leader, guide or host, or falsely state or otherwise
misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; forge headers
or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of
any Content transmitted through the Service...disrupt the normal flow
of dialogue...intentionally or unintentionally violate any applicable
local, state, national or international law..."stalk" or otherwise
harass another,
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From Giganews' Acceptable Use Policy:
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--
Zeke Krahlin
http://www.gay-bible.org
Archie Leach
So, basically, your anti-H43T agenda supersedes the First Amendment.
__________________________________________________
Because trolling is never, EVAR funny, kids:
"Fred Burton" <fbu...@biteme2.com> wrote:
>
>Newsgroups: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox,rec.sport.football.college
>Subject: Re: Red Sox: Three Outs From A Date With A Stomping
[...]
>You're just a lying sack of shit who takes joy in being an asshole online.
>The fact that we don't find you at all funny has nothing whatsoever to
>do with taking one's self too seriously.
>
>You're just another jackass who thinks that being a troll is "funny".
"Paul L" <kbt...@qwest.net> had these kind words to
say about moi:
>That guy has been in my killfile
>since 19 freaking 98.
ªºª rrock
Chief Thracian wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:48:03 -0700, Chiron <chir...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
<massive snip of something or other>
Damn! Boy those are really something or other aren't they!
Where's yours ISP's? Do you need me to find it again for you?
Just one other question. When you say that you "will shortly come up
with a TRUTHFUL and ACCURATE document", why didn't you do that in the
first place? I mean, did you think we were all in a rush to read
your inaccurate document?
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ªºª rrock
Archie Leach wrote:
There isn't a lawyer in the land that would touch this pariah now that
he's blatantly stated his intentions are malicious and frivolous.
Anyone stooopid enough to come to UseNet to boast about their spam
attacks is certainly delusional enough to think they understand "law".
IOW: yuppers... clueless.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> Because trolling is never, EVAR funny, kids:
>
> "Fred Burton" <fbu...@biteme2.com> wrote:
>
>>Newsgroups: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox,rec.sport.football.college
>>Subject: Re: Red Sox: Three Outs From A Date With A Stomping
>
> [...]
>
>>You're just a lying sack of shit who takes joy in being an asshole online.
>>The fact that we don't find you at all funny has nothing whatsoever to
>>do with taking one's self too seriously.
>>
>>You're just another jackass who thinks that being a troll is "funny".
>
>
> "Paul L" <kbt...@qwest.net> had these kind words to
> say about moi:
>
>
>>That guy has been in my killfile
>>since 19 freaking 98.
--
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Archie Leach <arc...@antispam.ham> wrote:
> chief_th...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote:
>
> >>Writing these scary petitions or complaint letters only makes you look
> >>even dumber than you've managed to look before - and that was pretty
> >>dumb, in my opinion.
> >
> >Well, by misleading these jerkwads via your INTENTIONAL
> >disinformation, I'd say you're really on MY side. Because you lower
> >their guard by making them think they can continue to get away with
> >their excessive bigotry. Thus making it so much EASIER to track them
> >down, and press charges.
> >
> >What is so great about Usenet, is that NO message is ever truly
> >erased. Therefore, even if one can't press charges on the offenders
> >right away, there will come a time when the WORST offenders can be
> >tracked down RETROACTIVELY (no matter how far in the past), and
> >brought before a court.
> >
> >>And trying to counter this by gay-bashing is idiotic.
> >
> >I doubt you'd make such a bald claim, were BLACKS being villified in
> >the same way.
> >
> >And that is why none of my attackers have the GUTS to express their
> >RACISM, as excessively as they do their HOMOPHOBIA. They know that
> >they'll either have run-ins with the law, or, more likely, run-ins
> >with a black brother or two!
Colored spade
A nigger
A black nigger
A jungle bunny
Jigaboo coon
Pickaninny mau mau
Uncle Tom
Aunt Jemima
Little Black Sambo
Cotton pickin'
Swamp guinea
Junk man
Shoeshine boy
Elevator operator
Table cleaner at Horn & Hardart
Slave voodoo
Zombie
Ubangi lipped
Flat nose
Tap dancin'
Resident of Harlem
And president of
The United States of Love
President of
The United States of Love
(and if you ask him to dinner you're going to feed him:)
Watermelon
Hominy grits
An' shortnin' bread
Alligator ribs
Some pig tails
Some black eyed peas
Some chili
Some collard greens
And if you don't watch out
This boogie man will get you
Booooooooo!
> So, basically, your anti-H43T agenda supersedes the First Amendment.
when the moon is the seventh house
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconsciousness of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
i am an etruscan dancer
ªºª rrock
ªºª rrock wrote:
>
>
> Archie Leach wrote:
>
>> chief_th...@SPAMyahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote:
>>
>>>> Writing these scary petitions or complaint letters only makes you look
>>>> even dumber than you've managed to look before - and that was pretty
>>>> dumb, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, by misleading these jerkwads via your INTENTIONAL
>>> disinformation, I'd say you're really on MY side. Because you lower
>>> their guard by making them think they can continue to get away with
>>> their excessive bigotry. Thus making it so much EASIER to track them
>>> down, and press charges.
>>>
>>> What is so great about Usenet, is that NO message is ever truly
>>> erased. Therefore, even if one can't press charges on the offenders
>>> right away, there will come a time when the WORST offenders can be
>>> tracked down RETROACTIVELY (no matter how far in the past), and
>>> brought before a court.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What they REALLY believe is irrelevant. What they DO and SAY is the
>>> important thing, here. Try telling a judge: "I'm not REALLY anti-gay,
>>> I just say those things to have fun." See where THAT will get you.
>>> (EXTRA time in prison, no doubt.)
>>
>>
>>
>> So, basically, your anti-H43T agenda supersedes the First Amendment.
>>
top posting myself:
Here's a music video just for you Thracian, try telling a judge i just say these
things to have fun, okay?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8245476550623867087 <== crank it.
Thanks, oh and by the way, thanks. (yeah, you have to click on it, clueless)
Lyrics are on the bottom of this post.
>
> There isn't a lawyer in the land that would touch this pariah now that
> he's blatantly stated his intentions are malicious and frivolous.
>
> Anyone stooopid enough to come to UseNet to boast about their spam
> attacks is certainly delusional enough to think they understand "law".
>
> IOW: yuppers... clueless.
>
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K-ET
favorites and I thought about this video by Dope when I watched the other
video
thanks for the link
"ªºª rrock" <inv...@address.here> skrev i meddelandet
news:4721c102$0$4977$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ???????? ??????
ªºª rrock
K-ET wrote:
> darned <grin> ... Rrock, you beat me to post this one. It is one of my
> favorites and I thought about this video by Dope when I watched the other
> video
>
> thanks for the link
no sweat, K-ET. I always try to respond in an appropriate fashion for
the given set of circumstances. In this particular case, then, your
appreciation signifies that my selection was adequately appropriate.
So, thank you.
--
Chief Thracian
<inv...@address.here> wrote:
>When you say that you "will shortly come up
>with a TRUTHFUL and ACCURATE document", why didn't you do that in the
>first place?
It takes TIME to research all examples and provide solid
references...something you can't do in a flash. As if you didn't know
that...or are you REALLY that dumb? By "shortly" I mean one day. It
will be up tomorrow, Saturday.
Your arguments against me are weaker than Bill Clinton's excuse for
Monica...or O'Reilly's excuse for bashing Dumbledorf (a fictional gay
character).
ªºª rrock
Chief Thracian wrote:
What arguments? I only asked a question and you couldn't provide a
satisfactory answer other than your usual blatant lies.
You said that you posted something that was neither truthful or accurate.
So you're a liar. Who cares?
You haven't any sort of credibility at all, and your a bigot that doesn't
have any friends. So besides being a whining heterophobic and malicious
racist at times (WHAMRAT) i'll bet you even think you're unique in that
category, right?
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