[OT-ish] Proposal for an official A.O.L.M. Resolution
Aragorn
Due to the escalation and seemingly endless tirade of obsessive-compulsive,
psychotically delusional, maniacally hatred-driven and above all quite
useless flame posts from *Matt* */left_coast,/* I would like to propose an
official institution of the rationale suggested earlier on one of
the /A.O.L.M/ groups by one of the other regulars - I believe it
was /Bit/ /Twister/ but it may have been someone else - as a variation of
Godwin's Law.
For those of you unfamiliar with Godwin's Law - unfortunately often abused
by people who don't know what it _really_ means - it is a generally
accepted unofficial Usenet principle which states that any thread in which
a debate is conducted and in which one of the debating parties mentions the
Nazis is to be abandoned immediately.
The rationale is that if both parties are persistent enough about their
case, they will end up comparing the other party to the Nazis, and doing
that - at least, in Godwin's views - is inexcusable, since it would compare
trivial issues to the Holocaust conducted by the Nazis, and thus the thread
is to be forfeited.
We could pour the MLC Resolution into a simple mnemonic, something like...:
"Any thread in which Matt /left_coast/ posts three or more replies
is to be abandoned immediately by all of the involved."
The rationale behind it should then also be poured into a simple statistic
like...:
"Rationale: Every thread in which Matt /left_coast/ posts three or
more replies has a *99%* *probability* of having turned into a
debate, and any debate in which Matt /left_coast/ is involved will
with *100%* *certainty* deteriorate into a useless flamefest from
which there are only two ways out, i.e.:
#1 The other parties will eventually /killfile/ Matt /left_coast/
over his abuse and leave Matt to be the only person still
posting to the thread; or
#2 The other parties will concede to acknowledging that Matt
/left_coast/ has the absolute monopoly on All Virtues In
Existence(TM) - including the Absolute Truth(TM) - and will
apologize to Matt /left_coast/ for not having acknowledged his
Immaculate Perfection(TM) any sooner.
Given Matt /left_coast's/ delusional and psychotic nature and his
compulsion towards verbal abuse, option #2 will with a 99%
probability never occur in Real Life(TM). Therefore the thread is
to be abandoned with extreme prejudice."
For the sake of the newbies, the lurkers and anyone else unfortunate enough
to ever wind up in YAMLCFW - "Yet Another Matt Left Coast FlameWar"(TM) -
we could record this resolution on Blinky's website or we could refer to it
via a message ID, or we could even add it to the /A.O.L.M./ /FAQ./
How say you? <grin>
--
With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
left_coast
<Snip obsessive babble>
Dude, you need help.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> Aragorn wrote:
> <Snip obsessive babble>
>
> Dude, you need help.
I _was_ asking for advice from the other regulars on the group, yes. I'm
not interested in *your* opinion, though. <evil grin>
left_coast
>> Aragorn wrote:
>> <Snip obsessive babble>
>>
>> Dude, you need help.
>
> I was asking for advice from the other regulars on the group, yes. I'm
> not interested in your opinion, though. <evil grin>
>
I can provide help on how to deal with me:
All you need to do is stop engaging in debates when you do not know what you
are talking about.
Stop attacking me. I have nothing to say to you unless you attack FIRST.
left_coast
<snip>
It should now be clear to all that it is Aragorn that is picking the fights.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> I was asking for advice from the other regulars on the group, yes. I'm
>> not interested in your opinion, though. <evil grin>
>
> I can provide help on how to deal with me:
>
> All you need to do is stop engaging in debates when you do not know what
> you are talking about.
That is exactly what we would ask from you, were you someone who listens to
reason. But you're not. Hence the proposed resolution.
> Stop attacking me. I have nothing to say to you unless you attack FIRST.
My ISP has just notified me via e-mail that they received abuse charges from
you, in which you accused me of spamming. Low, dude. Very low. And very
lame.
Too bad your own ISP isn't so eager to take abuse charges seriously.
Ron Gibson
> How say you? <grin>
I say it's time for light bulb theory!
Q: How many internet newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: 1,189
1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
bulb has been changed.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs; and how the
light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light
bulbs.
53 to flame the spell checkers.
41 to correct spelling/grammar flames.
6 to argue over whether it is "lightbulb" or "light bulb"; another 6 to
condemn these 6 as anal-retentive.
156 to write to the group administrator about the light bulb discussion
and its inappropriateness to this newsgroup.
109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take
this exchange to alt.lightbulb
203 to demand that the cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and
alt.illuminati about changing light bulbs be stopped.
111 to defend the posting to this ng saying that we all use light bulbs
and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this newsgroup.
306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique and what brands are faulty.
27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.
14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and to post the
corrected URLs.
3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this
ng which makes light bulbs relevant to this ng.
12 to post to the ng that they are unsubscribing because they cannot
handle the light bulb controversy.
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
44 to ask what is a FAQ.
4 to say "Didn't we go through this already a short time ago on Usenet?"
43 to ask "What's Usenet?"
--
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Replace borg with net
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:24:41 +0000, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> How say you? <grin>
>
> I say it's time for light bulb theory!
>
> Q: How many internet newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a
> light bulb?
>
> A: 1,189
>
> [...]
Thanks Ron, you made me chuckle. ;-)
left_coast
> My ISP has just notified me via e-mail that they received abuse charges
> from you, in which you accused me of spamming. Low, dude. Very low. And
> very lame.
>
> Too bad your own ISP isn't so eager to take abuse charges seriously.
ISPs do not act on abuse complaints unless they agree there was abuse.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> Aragorn wrote:
My ISP acts on all abuse charges. In addition, you accused me of spamming,
which is not something they can verify as spam can come under different
guises.
Don't worry, though. I've explained them who sent the abuse complaint and
why. I even included a blockquote from my original post to this thread,
being the MLC Resolution and the rationale. I then also took the liberty
of describing your Usenet behavior to them.
So I'm sure any future abuse charges coming from *you* will be ignored. You
see, unlike you, they are quite reasonable and sensible.
Neil Ellwood
> Okay guys (and gals)...
>
> Due to the escalation and seemingly endless tirade of obsessive-compulsive,
> psychotically delusional, maniacally hatred-driven and above all quite
> useless flame posts from *Matt* */left_coast,/* I would like to propose an
> official institution of the rationale suggested earlier on one of
> the /A.O.L.M/ groups by one of the other regulars - I believe it
> was /Bit/ /Twister/ but it may have been someone else - as a variation of
> Godwin's Law.
Good idea although I see very little of his posts anymore as he now
resides in a different place on this comp. - my killfile.
--
Neil
'The moving finger writes and having writ still makes the same mistakes'.
swap 'ra' and delete 'l' for email
Frank Peelo
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:24:41 +0000, Aragorn wrote:
>
>
>>How say you? <grin>
>
>
> I say it's time for light bulb theory!
>
> Q: How many internet newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a
> light bulb?
>
> A: 1,189
>
> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
> bulb has been changed.
...
> 43 to ask "What's Usenet?"
>
and 4 to complain that
1+14+7+27+53+41+6+156+109+203+111+306+27+14+3+12+4+44+4+43
comes to only 1,185, not 1,189.
Frank
Frank Peelo
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 11:51, left_coast stood up and addressed the
> masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
<snip>
um, did you notice that that was three replies?
Frank
Ron Gibson
>> I say it's time for light bulb theory!
>> Q: How many internet newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a
>> light bulb?
>>
>> A: 1,189
>> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
>> bulb has been changed.
> and 4 to complain that
> 1+14+7+27+53+41+6+156+109+203+111+306+27+14+3+12+4+44+4+43
> comes to only 1,185, not 1,189.
how many would go to the trouble to add it up :-)
Donald Tees
> Okay guys (and gals)...
>
> Due to the escalation and seemingly endless tirade of obsessive-compulsive,
> psychotically delusional, maniacally hatred-driven and above all quite
<SNIP>
> How say you? <grin>
>
My filters work quite well, though at the moment, the only one I have
filtered in here is the dolt from virgin.net.
I seldom speak to Dan or Matt, as both of them seem incapable of
civilized discourse. On the other hand, I have read posts by Dan, in
particular, that have solved problems for me.
It is impossible for one person to get into a flame war by themselves.
My suggestion is to simply to buy large bag of popcorn, and learn to use
the next key.
Donald
left_coast
>> ISPs do not act on abuse complaints unless they agree there was abuse.
>
> My ISP acts on all abuse charges. In addition, you accused me of
> spamming, which is not something they can verify as spam can come under
> different guises.
No, I did not accuse you of spamming. That is only what your ISP said, I
accused you of attacking me, the TRUTH.
left_coast
Do you really expect Aragorn to do what he claims? This thread should be
proof to everyone who is picking fights.
left_coast
> It is impossible for one person to get into a flame war by themselves.
>
Thank you. And pleas note who STARTED this. I would have NOTHING to say to
Aragorn if he did not attack first. The last 4 (at least) exchanges between
me and Aragorn have started with Aragorn attacking me first.
Donald Tees
The entire feud passed the point of reasonable and sensible weeks back.
Not that I expect it to stop, or that anybody pay any attention to me
at all. However, "reasonable and sensible" is questionable.
Donald
left_coast
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 11:51, left_coast stood up and addressed the
> masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
>
>> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>> My ISP has just notified me via e-mail that they received abuse charges
>>> from you, in which you accused me of spamming. Low, dude. Very low.
>>> And very lame.
>>>
>>> Too bad your own ISP isn't so eager to take abuse charges seriously.
>>
>> ISPs do not act on abuse complaints unless they agree there was abuse.
>
> My ISP acts on all abuse charges.
Another false claim, your ISP requires PROOF that there has been abuse. "In
order to allow us to do so, we need evidence which proves that our customer
has committed any kind of abuse." Your ISP will only act if the evidence
proves abuse.
left_coast
> So I'm sure any future abuse charges coming from you will be ignored. You
> see, unlike you, they are quite reasonable and sensible.
Which is why they told you to stop your abuse.
Bit Twister
>
> My ISP has just notified me via e-mail that they received abuse charges from
> you, in which you accused me of spamming.
You have loads of proof of his disruptive activities, harassment and
now that he has sent a deliberate libelous accusation to your ISP, I
would document it and send it to his ISP.
Sections to quote from
http://www.rcn.com/customer/pdfs/internet/accceptableusepolicy.pdf
(a) Defamation
(i) Harassment,
(n) Disruptive Activities
Whiskers
snip
> For those of you unfamiliar with Godwin's Law - unfortunately often abused
> by people who don't know what it _really_ means - it is a generally
> accepted unofficial Usenet principle which states that any thread in which
> a debate is conducted and in which one of the debating parties mentions the
> Nazis is to be abandoned immediately.
snip
> We could pour the MLC Resolution into a simple mnemonic, something like...:
>
> "Any thread in which Matt /left_coast/ posts three or more replies
> is to be abandoned immediately by all of the involved."
snip
> How say you? <grin>
This thread contains in its first article, the the seeds of its own
demise.
Just plonk the people you don't want to engage with. No need for any
discussion.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
left_coast
>> My ISP has just notified me via e-mail that they received abuse charges
>> from you, in which you accused me of spamming.
>
> You have loads of proof of his disruptive activities, harassment and
> now that he has sent a deliberate libelous accusation to your ISP, I
> would document it and send it to his ISP.
His ISP requires evidence that proves abuse before taking action, Since they
did take action, the evidence provided proved abuse in their eyes. I will
gladly show my evidence to my ISP if any dispute arises.
user
Oh, shut the FUCK up
left_coast
Don't like what I have to say? Killfile me.
Ron Gibson
> It is impossible for one person to get into a flame war by themselves.
No you don't stupid.
Yes I do butthead
:-)
Actually the other day I had to post followups to my own post two
times because of typos for a Samba printer URI.
mr.b
soi-disant left_coast wrote:
> Don't like what I have to say? Killfile me.
request granted
*plonk*
left_coast
Thank you.
Now if Aragorn would do this rather than start flame threads like this.
Chris F.A. Johnson
> Okay guys (and gals)...
No, it's not OK.
> Due to the escalation and seemingly endless tirade of obsessive-compulsive,
> psychotically delusional, maniacally hatred-driven and above all quite
> useless flame posts from *Matt* */left_coast,/* I would like to propose an
> official institution of the rationale suggested earlier on one of
> the /A.O.L.M/ groups by one of the other regulars - I believe it
> was /Bit/ /Twister/ but it may have been someone else - as a variation of
> Godwin's Law.
Please just killfile the idiot. Your signal-to-noise ratio has
dropped to the point where you are a candidate for my killfile.
Spend your energy on helping people (which you do so well) instead
of feeding the trolls. You are contributing to the problem more
than anyone.
--
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Shell Scripting Recipes: | My code in this post, if any,
A Problem-Solution Approach | is released under the
2005, Apress | GNU General Public Licence
left_coast
> Please just killfile the idiot.
I can only hope. But he has been advised to do this in the past, but he
seems content on picking fights or starting flamewars as he has done by
starting this tread.
Dan Espen
> On 2006-11-30, Aragorn wrote:
>> Okay guys (and gals)...
>
> No, it's not OK.
Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but I agree.
Aragorn, you need to use your killfile.
left_coast
I agree. But he also has to stop starting treads that are only intended to
incite flames.
James J. Dines
I was going to stay out of this, until matt proved Aragorn's point so
well. While I agree it could appear that this is what is going on to the
ignorant, I don't think anybody who knows the whole story and is
familiar with the merits of the players could conclude that this was his
intention.
I also understand why Aragorn prefers to not use his killfile to solve
the problem, to wit: it doesn't solve the problem. I wrote this
paragraph on Sat. Mar. 25th, 2006:
[I think I may write an essay "killfile considered harmful.' It would,
of course, be along the lines of the infamous 'C considered harmful'
post and the others of its ilk that followed. Don't get me wrong here.
Just as with C, a killfile can be useful, but it is also easy to shoot
yourself in the foot with it, just like the C language.]
There is a moron posting as MI5-V...@mi5.uk.gov who is a *PERFECT*
candidate for a killfile. I am not convinced that matt is a candidate
for same. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader what the
differences are, at least until I write the damn essay and post it,
should that ever occur.
And matt: I have nothing against you. I have seen you post helpful
info here and there. Flame away if you will. I just noticed you posted
more than three times in this thread, so I'm outta here. :-)
--
****** Warning - Highly US-Centric .sig approaching! ******
The only way to differentiate "The War on Terrorism"
from "The War on Drugs" is to measure the amount of piss
on the Founding Fathers graves. - James J. Dines
left_coast
> left_coast wrote:
>> Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>>> "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajo...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2006-11-30, Aragorn wrote:
>>>>> Okay guys (and gals)...
>>>> No, it's not OK.
>>> Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but I agree.
>>> Aragorn, you need to use your killfile.
>>
>> I agree. But he also has to stop starting treads that are only intended
>> to incite flames.
>
> I was going to stay out of this, until matt proved Aragorn's point so
> well. While I agree it could appear that this is what is going on to the
> ignorant, I don't think anybody who knows the whole story and is
> familiar with the merits of the players could conclude that this was his
> intention.
The bottom line, this tread was started by Aragorn posting a flame post. It
is that simple.
>
> I also understand why Aragorn prefers to not use his killfile to solve
> the problem, to wit: it doesn't solve the problem. I wrote this
> paragraph on Sat. Mar. 25th, 2006:
>
> [I think I may write an essay "killfile considered harmful.' It would,
> of course, be along the lines of the infamous 'C considered harmful'
> post and the others of its ilk that followed. Don't get me wrong here.
> Just as with C, a killfile can be useful, but it is also easy to shoot
> yourself in the foot with it, just like the C language.]
>
> There is a moron posting as MI5-V...@mi5.uk.gov who is a *PERFECT*
> candidate for a killfile. I am not convinced that matt is a candidate
> for same. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader what the
> differences are, at least until I write the damn essay and post it,
> should that ever occur.
>
> And matt: I have nothing against you. I have seen you post helpful
> info here and there. Flame away if you will. I just noticed you posted
> more than three times in this thread, so I'm outta here. :-)
The simple fact of is, this thread was started by Aragorn posting a flame,
plain and simple. You may be out of here, but this tread would not have
existed at all if Aragorn had not attacked with his flame. May I suggest
you be critical of those that start the flame wars, not the people that
defend themselves from the attack.
Daniel
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:22:45 +0000, Frank Peelo wrote:
>
>>> I say it's time for light bulb theory!
>
>>> Q: How many internet newsgroup subscribers does it take to change a
>>> light bulb?
>>>
>>> A: 1,189
>
>>> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
>>> bulb has been changed.
>
>>> 43 to ask "What's Usenet?"
>
>> and 4 to complain that
>> 1+14+7+27+53+41+6+156+109+203+111+306+27+14+3+12+4+44+4+43
>> comes to only 1,185, not 1,189.
>
> I know there's that error in there and I've never changed it so as to see
> how many would go to the trouble to add it up :-)
>
I want to know what happened to the other 6???
> 6 to argue over whether it is "lightbulb" or "light bulb"; another 6 to
> condemn these 6 as anal-retentive.
Daniel
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user
> The bottom line, this tread was started by Aragorn posting a flame post. It
> is that simple.
>
>
> The simple fact of is, this thread was started by Aragorn posting a flame,
> plain and simple.
WAAH
left_coast
>> The simple fact of is, this thread was started by Aragorn posting a
>> flame, plain and simple.
>
>
> WAAH
Sorry, but there is no reason for you to cry over the truth. I know how
telling the truth about Aragorn's behavior must be painful for those that
blindly idolize him, but the truth is the truth.
left_coast
> "Any thread in which Matt /left_coast/ posts three or more replies
> is to be abandoned immediately by all of the involved."
>
Considering how I corrected your false claims about slavery well more than 3
times, I see your reasoning for this. It must be embarrassing to have
someone that is willing to put up with your constant babble to correct your
miss-information time and time again. If you can have everyone ignore those
that can correct your miss-information ignored after three corrections, you
can continue to spew incorrect information with impunity, clever. The sad
thing is the number of people that buy into it. I don't know why I expected
better on Usenet.
Ron Gibson
>> I know there's that error in there and I've never changed it so as to
>> see how many would go to the trouble to add it up :-)
> I want to know what happened to the other 6???
It's an old joke but there is a lot of truth to it reading between the
lines.
Ron Gibson
> Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but I agree.
> Aragorn, you need to use your killfile.
Yes, Luke, use the force. Obi Wan long ago showed displeasure and now
even Jabba the Hut is pitching a fit.
James D. Beard
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:51 -0500, Donald Tees wrote:
>
>> It is impossible for one person to get into a flame war by themselves.
>
> I get into arguments with myself all the time.
I learned long ago that there was nothing wrong with talking to
yourself. And thee was nothing wrong with arguing with
yourself. But if you argue with yourself and lose, you may have
a problem....
Cheers!
jim b.
--
Unix is not user-unfriendly; it merely
expects users to be computer-friendly.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> um, did you notice that that was three replies?
Yes I did, but I also do not consider this thread to fall under the
resolution because (a) the resolution hasn't been approved yet and (b)
considering that it pertains to Matt, his replies to this thread are to be
ignored.
By previous misconduct, he has no say in the matter, and anything he could
post to this thread could be construed as an attempt to use the resolution
against any of us by firing off a flurry of replies again and make their
total number exceed three. ;-)
--
With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> Aragorn wrote:
No, they didn't. They requested that I run a virus scan on my computer as
they got a complaint that spam was being sent from my account. Those were
their exact words. No more, no less.
left_coast
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 16:35, left_coast stood up and addressed the
> masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
>
>> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>> So I'm sure any future abuse charges coming from you will be ignored.
>>> You see, unlike you, they are quite reasonable and sensible.
>>
>> Which is why they told you to stop your abuse.
>
> No, they didn't. They requested that I run a virus scan on my computer as
> they got a complaint that spam was being sent from my account. Those were
> their exact words. No more, no less.
>
So "they requested that I run a virus scan on my computer as they got a
complaint that spam was being sent from my account" was their "exact words.
No more, no less" eh? I doubt those were their _exact_ _words_ since it
would make absolutely no sense for them to phrase the statement that way,
seems to me you are just making it up.
left_coast
>> um, did you notice that that was three replies?
>
> Yes I did, but I also do not consider this thread to fall under the
> resolution because (a) the resolution hasn't been approved yet and (b)
> considering that it pertains to Matt, his replies to this thread are to be
> ignored.
In other words, you ignore the advise of others to use your killfile and you
are reluctant to follow your own proposed resolution. The simple fact of
the matter is, you started this thread with a flame post, plain and simple.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:22:37 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>>
>> My ISP has just notified me via e-mail that they received abuse charges
>> from you, in which you accused me of spamming.
>
> You have loads of proof of his disruptive activities, harassment and
> now that he has sent a deliberate libelous accusation to your ISP, I
> would document it and send it to his ISP.
>
> Sections to quote from
> http://www.rcn.com/customer/pdfs/internet/accceptableusepolicy.pdf
Thank you very much for this link, Bit. I have saved the PDF on my hard
disk. Too bad that I can't copy/paste from the PDF though. :-/
> (a) Defamation
> (i) Harassment,
> (n) Disruptive Activities
Another problem is that the e-mail my ISP sent me did not contain the actual
complaint. It only contained the headers to the original post in this
thread, and the message my ISP sent me was in Dutch. It went something
like...
"Dear Customer,
We have received a complaint about spam coming from your account. This
could be caused by a virus on your computer. We recommend that you scan
your PC with the latest anti-virus software.
<headers removed>"
Aragorn
Really? Well, I hope you got a Dutch dictionary and/or a good translation
tool with you, because this is what they wrote...
<blockquote>
Geachte,
Wij hebben een klacht ontvangen ivm spamming, welke mogelijk te wijten
is aan een virusinfectie op uw pc.
Mogen wij u vragen uw pc te scannen met een recente virusscanner?
[... Headers to my original post...]
</blockquote>
left_coast
If you want:
> (a) Defamation
> (i) Harassment,
> (n) Disruptive Activities
Message-ID: <trxbh.211787$EF7.3...@phobos.telenet-ops.be>
Clearly all three are in Aragorn's post. It was that Defamation, Harassment,
and Disruptive Activities.
Bit Twister
>
> No, they didn't. They requested that I run a virus scan on my computer as
> they got a complaint that spam was being sent from my account. Those were
> their exact words. No more, no less.
Well if the abuse dept said it,
they must know what they are talking about. :-D
Thanks for posting their message. I had wondered what they said.
Donald Tees
<snicker>
Donald
James J. Dines
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>>> um, did you notice that that was three replies?
>> Yes I did, but I also do not consider this thread to fall under the
>> resolution because (a) the resolution hasn't been approved yet and (b)
>> considering that it pertains to Matt, his replies to this thread are to be
>> ignored.
>
> In other words, you ignore the advise of others to use your killfile
"Killfile considered harmful", moron ...
I guess I will have to write the assay after all :-(
left_coast
As I said, it was NOT an exact words, it was not even a correct translation.
There is nothing in the Dutch wording that would translate to "they
requested that I run a..."
left_coast
> left_coast wrote:
>> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>>> um, did you notice that that was three replies?
>>> Yes I did, but I also do not consider this thread to fall under the
>>> resolution because (a) the resolution hasn't been approved yet and (b)
>>> considering that it pertains to Matt, his replies to this thread are to
>>> be ignored.
>>
>> In other words, you ignore the advise of others to use your killfile
>
> "Killfile considered harmful", moron ...
>
> I guess I will have to write the assay after all :-(
>
>
Like you are the only one that has said anything about a killfile.
Message-ID: <vdu344-...@xword.teksavvy.com>
Message-ID: <iclkls7...@mk.telcordia.com>
I claimed that he ignored the advise of OTHERS. You do know that "others"
means, right?
Dan C
> Please just killfile the idiot. Your signal-to-noise ratio has
> dropped to the point where you are a candidate for my killfile.
> Spend your energy on helping people (which you do so well) instead
> of feeding the trolls. You are contributing to the problem more
> than anyone.
Well, whaddyaknow. I pointed that same fact out to Aragorn a while back,
and he ignored the advice. At least I'm not the only one who thinks he's
become little more than a troll feeder. Pity.
--
"Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
Dan C
> I seldom speak to Dan or Matt, as both of them seem incapable of
> civilized discourse.
I am quite capable of civilized discourse, when there aren't trolls,
windroids, or anal retentives involved in the conversation.
> On the other hand, I have read posts by Dan, in particular, that have
> solved problems for me.
Well, good. I'll take that as a compliment if you don't mind.
> It is impossible for one person to get into a flame war by themselves.
Well, some folks, who frequently reply to their own posts, and seem to
have multiple personalities (such as M_the_M) can probably accomplish
this.
> My suggestion is to simply to buy large bag of popcorn, and learn to use
> the next key.
Excellent advice. I've been doing that myself, lately.
Aragorn
It *is* no translation. It is a literal copy/paste from the e-mail they
sent me.
> There is nothing in the Dutch wording that would translate to
> "they requested that I run a..."
"Mogen wij u vragen..." translates to English as "May we ask you...". In my
book, that's a *request.*
Bit Twister
> Thank you very much for this link, Bit. I have saved the PDF on my hard
> disk. Too bad that I can't copy/paste from the PDF though. :-/
When we get you on 2007 and Evince 0.6.0 is the viewer called by Firefox 2.0.
You can cut. :)
My suggestion was just to give the "(letter) term" follwed by message ids
under each category or maybe tiny urls to googlegroup search threads in
tree format. Maybe brief sentence to point complaint out.
By the way, this is not a 1 or 2 hour activity. Take your time, one or
two a night and by end of week should have a resonable case for mailing.
Examples:
(a) Defamation
Made up lie about humor, followed with a completely total lie about OSS
and requirements which were not in the thread.
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
6e3vi3-...@alta.sierrandays.org in message id box
(n) Disruptive Activities
Just watch coast's misdirections, lies, repetive posts,...
thread goes from Apr 25 through May 15
Or a tiny urls for the above.
(I) Harassment
Shows he is trolling.
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
37eg24-...@alta.sierrandays.org
Posting multiple replies to same article
(you should be able to find examples Aragorn)
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:51:49 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
You're welcome, Bro. And from the looks of it, you and James J. Dines seem
to be the only people who understand what I'm trying to say by the original
post in this thread.
Of course, it would be easy to /killfile/ Matt - and just as J.J. Dines has
mentioned, that MI5 character is eligible for /killfiling/ and has indeed
been /killfiled/ here. However, /killfiling/ Matt is not going to undo the
libeling or firestarting he could do whenever someone posts another test
message or whenever a newbie gets into a clash with him.
It would be no other than sticking our heads into the sand, just like an
ostrich does to escape a predator. But just because the ostrich sticks its
head into the sand and thus thinks the predator isn't there just because it
doesn't see it anymore, doesn't mean that it won't get eaten.
left_coast
>> As I said, it was NOT an exact words, it was not even a correct
>> translation.
>
> It is no translation. It is a literal copy/paste from the e-mail they
> sent me.
>
Your first English statement you claimed to be "Those were
their exact words". That English statement was NOT THEIR EXACT WORDS.
>> There is nothing in the Dutch wording that would translate to
>> "they requested that I run a..."
>
> "Mogen wij u vragen..." translates to English as "May we ask you...". In
> my book, that's a *request.*
Yes, they said "May we ask you..." But you claimed their "exact words"
were "They requested that I run a virus scan on " Notice the difference
between "I" and "you" Clearly it was not the "exact words"
left_coast
<snip>
How about telling people post FAIL with they have not?
James J. Dines
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:18:23 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
>> Please just killfile the idiot. Your signal-to-noise ratio has
>> dropped to the point where you are a candidate for my killfile.
>> Spend your energy on helping people (which you do so well) instead
>> of feeding the trolls. You are contributing to the problem more
>> than anyone.
>
> Well, whaddyaknow. I pointed that same fact out to Aragorn a while back,
> and he ignored the advice. At least I'm not the only one who thinks he's
> become little more than a troll feeder. Pity.
>
Imagine the surprise of all the intelligent folk that we didn't take
your advice!
James J. Dines
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:51 -0500, Donald Tees wrote:
>
>> I seldom speak to Dan or Matt, as both of them seem incapable of
>> civilized discourse.
>
> I am quite capable of civilized discourse, when there aren't trolls,
> windroids, or anal retentives involved in the conversation.
I cannot wait to see a cited example :-)
left_coast
How about stopping your abusive flame posts like the one that started this
thread?
James J. Dines
<snip>
>
> How about stopping your abusive flame posts like the one that started this
> thread?
Need I gather the statistics?
Aragorn
addressed the masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On 2006-11-30, Aragorn wrote:
>> Okay guys (and gals)...
>
> No, it's not OK.
>
>> Due to the escalation and seemingly endless tirade of
>> obsessive-compulsive, psychotically delusional, maniacally hatred-driven
>> and above all quite useless flame posts from *Matt* */left_coast,/* I
>> would like to propose an official institution of the rationale suggested
>> earlier on one of the /A.O.L.M/ groups by one of the other regulars - I
>> believe it was /Bit/ /Twister/ but it may have been someone else - as a
>> variation of Godwin's Law.
>
> Please just killfile the idiot.
The rationale behind my decision so far _not_ to /killfile/ him can be read
here...
news:FCObh.213304$C93.3...@phobos.telenet-ops.be
> Your signal-to-noise ratio has dropped to the point where you are a
> candidate for my killfile.
I'm sorry you feel that way, and I'm certainly not immune to your validation
of my contributions to both /A.O.L.M./ newsgroups, given that I respect you
as a knowledgeable poster and experienced UNIX and GNU/Linux user.
I know that I have been contributing to the flamewar, and I apologize for
that to everyone (minus Matt himself). However, I'm not the root of the
problem here.
Matt has issues with virtually everyone, and my contributions to that
particular thread only originated from three basic vantages:
- (1) defending Europeans against the slander Matt threw at them;
- (2) defending Bit Twister and the common sense behind his humorous remark
regarding test posts; and
- (3) defending myself, which is ultimately the stage everyone in a debate
with Matt comes to at one point or another.
Holding *me* accountable for Matt's continued contributions to those threads
- including the threads that I had already abandoned myself - would be
unjust. It would be *easy,* but it wouldn't be right, and if more people
in this world were to start doing what's right instead of what's easy, then
the human race would still have a future.
You do not have to agree with me, but at least take my words into
consideration.
> Spend your energy on helping people (which you do so well) instead
> of feeding the trolls. You are contributing to the problem more
> than anyone.
No, I am not. I was contributing to the flame thread, and I apologize for
that. I am however in no way contributing to the psychotic rage nourished
by Matt against several people on this newsgroup, nor to any of his past,
present or future decisions to pick fights, or whom those fights will be
with.
Most newsreaders do have an option to /killfile/ a thread rather than a
poster. Even a simple newsreader such as the /KNode/ I use already has
this option. It would be just as convenient for you to make use of it as
putting me in your /killfile/ would be, but the latter would be injustice.
You are however free to do as you please. As a human being, that is your
prerogative, and it is not my place to ask you not to, given that I'm the
subject of your decision. I am therefore only asking you to reconsider
what a /killfile/ is for, and how it /should/ be used.
As we both know, how things should be used is usually quite different from
how they are commonly used.
And *that* was the whole point of my original post in this thread. Whether
Matt responds to it - and he has, does and will continue to do so with 100%
certainty - or not is irrelevant to you, since you already have him in
your /killfile./
James J. Dines
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:18:23 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
>> Please just killfile the idiot. Your signal-to-noise ratio has
>> dropped to the point where you are a candidate for my killfile.
>> Spend your energy on helping people (which you do so well) instead
>> of feeding the trolls. You are contributing to the problem more
>> than anyone.
>
> Well, whaddyaknow. I pointed that same fact out to Aragorn a while back,
> and he ignored the advice. At least I'm not the only one who thinks he's
> become little more than a troll feeder. Pity.
>
You are are the poster boy for "Killfile considered Harmful"
'nuff said (for now)
Dan C
>> I am quite capable of civilized discourse, when there aren't trolls,
>> windroids, or anal retentives involved in the conversation.
> I cannot wait to see a cited example :-)
Well, it won't be a conversation in which you are involved, for the
reasons that I just stated, above.
James J. Dines
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 22:18, Chris F.A. Johnson stood up and
> addressed the masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
>
> And *that* was the whole point of my original post in this thread. Whether
> Matt responds to it - and he has, does and will continue to do so with 100%
> certainty - or not is irrelevant to you, since you already have him in
> your /killfile./
>
Chris F. A. Johnson is not a moron; just a guy who understands the
intricacies of scripts, but fails to consider the big picture.
e.g. Do you mount a directory or a filesystem?
Think about it CFAJ ....
James J. Dines
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:06:22 +0000, James J. Dines wrote:
>
>>> I am quite capable of civilized discourse, when there aren't trolls,
>>> windroids, or anal retentives involved in the conversation.
>
>> I cannot wait to see a cited example :-)
>
> Well, it won't be a conversation in which you are involved, for the
> reasons that I just stated, above.
>
left_coast
>> How about stopping your abusive flame posts like the one that started
>> this thread?
>
> Need I gather the statistics?
>
Start with the last 4 interchanges between Aragorn and me have began with
Aragorn insulting me.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:59:19 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for this link, Bit. I have saved the PDF on my hard
>> disk. Too bad that I can't copy/paste from the PDF though. :-/
>
> When we get you on 2007 and Evince 0.6.0 is the viewer called by Firefox
> 2.0. You can cut. :)
Ain't gonna happen, or at least not on my main system. ;-þ I'm still set on
using Gentoo for my main computer - which will of course now be another
machine than the one currently performing that task - and my idea is to use
Firefox only for things that require 32-bit plugins. ;-)
For PDF files, I normally prefer /KGhostView/ anyway. ;-)
> My suggestion was just to give the "(letter) term" follwed by message ids
> under each category or maybe tiny urls to googlegroup search threads in
> tree format. Maybe brief sentence to point complaint out.
I have saved this post from you, because to tell you the truth, I wasn't
sure on how exactly to go about at filing a complaint with an ISP. I've
never had to do that before.
I wasn't sure whether they require complete forwarding of several articles
or threads, or whether just one article in a thread is enough, etc.
> By the way, this is not a 1 or 2 hour activity. Take your time, one or
> two a night and by end of week should have a resonable case for mailing.
Advice gladly accepted. ;-)
> [...]
> (you should be able to find examples Aragorn)
Of that I am sure. ;-)
James J. Dines
I prefer to start with the facts; they are not in your favor.
This ones for Dan C. and the other ignornt white folk:
Later Ma' Nigga'
Bit Twister
> I wasn't sure whether they require complete forwarding of several articles
> or threads, or whether just one article in a thread is enough, etc.
They do like to have the full header and article body with a brief
statement as to why you posted the complaint.
Maybe pick "Best of breed" for each category with header/body followed with
links/counts where possible to further prove point with numbers for
that category.
Selections should show different people being attacked, not just you.
Some examples could be pulled from
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux/browse_frm/thread/86344631ee1ec17a/9d7488b3ddf0cc81?#9d7488b3ddf0cc81
In this case, maybe a general lead in something like
I apologize for not proving all the header/bodies
because there are anywhere from 20 to 100+
examples in different threads or
theu are too numerous to fully document.
Example;
Thread started Oct 5 though Oct 13 where he alone posted
138 articles of the 279 in this thread
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandrake/browse_frm/thread/8eb97fa41dee13b2/27105bc206aede71?lnk=st&q=&rnum=4#27105bc206aede71
<Best of Breed header/body here>
followed with links to pertinent articles.
Counts are easy with firefox,
A control a to select tree,
paste into a file,
grep left_coast fn_here | wc -l
Any abuse tech should have no problem seeing who is causing the problem.
left_coast
> Selections should show different people being attacked, not just you.
> Some examples could be pulled from
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux/browse_frm/thread/86344631ee1ec17a/9d7488b3ddf0cc81?#9d7488b3ddf0cc81
And you used to complain about me dragging up things from the past.
left_coast
<snip>
I'll bet your ISP will consider your campaign to get me kicked of my ISP as
harassment.
--
Usenet server has changed so update your killfiles if you have based your
filter on my usenet server.
James J. Dines
> Bit Twister wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I'll bet your ISP will consider your campaign to get me kicked of my ISP as
> harassment.
>
I'll bet your contract with your ISP lasts exactly as long as the 200+
of us are willing to extend it. If Bit Twister, Aragorn, myself, AND
the *MANY* other people who *CONTRIBUTE* to this group contact your ISP,
you will be looking for a new one.
Off you go [to get help, I hope]
left_coast
>> I'll bet your ISP will consider your campaign to get me kicked of my ISP
>> as harassment.
>>
>
> I'll bet your contract with your ISP lasts exactly as long as the 200+
> of us are willing to extend it. If Bit Twister, Aragorn, myself, AND
> the MANY other people who CONTRIBUTE to this group contact your ISP,
> you will be looking for a new one.
>
> Off you go [to get help, I hope]
>
Threats? Wouldn't that be considered harassment? It seems the ones that cry
the most about me being harassing are very quick at using treats to harass.
James J. Dines
> James J. Dines wrote:
>
>>> I'll bet your ISP will consider your campaign to get me kicked of my ISP
>>> as harassment.
>>>
>> I'll bet your contract with your ISP lasts exactly as long as the 200+
>> of us are willing to extend it. If Bit Twister, Aragorn, myself, AND
>> the MANY other people who CONTRIBUTE to this group contact your ISP,
>> you will be looking for a new one.
>>
>> Off you go [to get help, I hope]
>>
>
> Threats? Wouldn't that be considered harassment? It seems the ones that cry
> the most about me being harassing are very quick at using treats to harass.
>
I don't know ... maybe you should test your theory out by contacting my
ISP and claiming that I threatened you. You are certainly welcome to see
how different your experience is from the one you had when you
threatened Aragorn :-)
Christopher Hunter
> Matt has issues with virtually everyone, and my contributions to that
> particular thread only originated from three basic vantages:
> - (1) defending Europeans against the slander Matt threw at them;
> - (2) defending Bit Twister and the common sense behind his humorous
> remark regarding test posts; and
> - (3) defending myself, which is ultimately the stage everyone in a debate
> with Matt comes to at one point or another.
I would put it a little stronger than that - "Matt" is certifiable, and
shouldn't have access to the 'net. It's actually a /duty/ of all affected
by the "mouth" in this newsgroup to report him to his ISP and get him
removed.
C.
left_coast
>> Threats? Wouldn't that be considered harassment? It seems the ones that
>> cry the most about me being harassing are very quick at using treats to
>> harass.
>>
>
> I don't know ... maybe you should test your theory out by contacting my
> ISP and claiming that I threatened you. You are certainly welcome to see
> how different your experience is from the one you had when you
> threatened Aragorn :-)
>
I did not threaten, I simply reported the abuse he heaped on me with the OP
here.
Bit Twister
> I would put it a little stronger than that - "Matt" is certifiable, and
> shouldn't have access to the 'net. It's actually a /duty/ of all affected
> by the "mouth" in this newsgroup to report him to his ISP and get him
> removed.
Feel free to wordsmith this off the cuff suggestion.
Maybe A.O.L.M. troll section Resolution should be something to the effect
Reporting Abuse:
Lurkers may want to take an active role in keeping the signal to noise
level to a resonable level by reporting abusive users.
You have subject matter experts who to spend their valuable time
reading this news group.
You do not want them skipping this group because of the extra time
required by them looking through a bunch of noise to see if there is
someone they can help.
Some abuse examples:
prymid ebay/email schemes, totaly off topic posts crossposted to
unrelated news groups, obvious trolls,....
Disclaimer, any resemblance to anyone real or fiction is just a fluke. :-D
Q: What do you include in a report?
A: A brief explantion of the abuse followed by
the complete article header and body of the offensive article.
See Abuse report example:
Q; How do you find where to report them?
A0: Check the header for offender's ip address. Example:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.45.245.119
Note: ip addy may be in other fields.
If found, you can do a
host ip_addy_here
to get ISP.
Example: host 82.45.245.119 might return something like
name pointer 82-45-245-119.cable.ubr03.hari.blueyonder.co.uk
You plug blueyonder.co.uk into a browser and serch the site for
reporting abuse.
You may want to hunt down the AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) and/or
TOS (Terms Of Service) to verify it is abuse under their terms.
Also helps to use their wording in your brief description.
A1: you might see a header field like
X-Complaints-To: ab...@somewhere.com
If somewhere.com is different from user's ISP, send them a copy of
the abuse report also.
A2: Another method of finding ISP'S abuse email addresses it to do a
whois ip_addy_here
and you will have to carefully read the results to make sure you
are not sending the report to the ISP's ISP abuse dept. :)
Q: Can abuse report be mailed from command line?
A: mail -s "82.45.245.119 spaming Usenet" ab...@some.where < abuse.fn.here
That assumes you have setup your MTA (postfix) to route to your
ISP's Mail Transport Agent.
Abuse report example:
Customer 82.45.245.119 seems to have malware on their system broadcasting
off topic spam to the following news groups:
nz.comp, aus.religion.christian, rec.sport.rugby.union,
alt.os.linux.mandriva, alt.native,uk.misc
----------- header/body follows: -------------------------------------
Path:
g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!news4.google.com!
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
novia!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!feeder.news-service.com!
216.196.110.148.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!
news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!news.highwinds-media.com!
newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe4-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: Mike <diespammers...@kiwifanboyssuck.com>
Reply-To: diespammers...@kiwifanboyssuck.com
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: nz.comp,aus.religion.christian,rec.sport.rugby.union,
alt.os.linux.mandriva,alt.native,uk.misc
Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Data Protection application to Keith Hill MP
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:55:39 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.107.29.147
X-Complaints-To: http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport
X-Trace: newsfe4-gui.ntli.net 1164916539 213.107.29.147
(Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:55:39 GMT)
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Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service
Data Protection application to Keith Hill MP, 2002
In May 2002 I made a subject access application under the Data
Protection Act 1998 to Keith Hill, my local MP. I was interested to
see who he had spoken to during 1997-1999, when we were
communicating by letter. The Information Commissioner's office told
me that Mr Hill had been convicted in May 2000 under the DPA,
presumably by omission of knowing the relevant law; consequently Mr
Hill was more helpful than usual in his response to my
application.
For the sake of interest, I reproduce the Evening
Standard news report here. Coupled to my data protection
application, I asked Mr Hill; Additionally I ask the
non-data-protection question of whether you spoke to the Police
Ron Gibson
> They do like to have the full header and article body with a brief
> statement as to why you posted the complaint.
a person of that person engages in a tit for tat long series of
argumentative posts.
They are much more inclined to act on a request where the abuse is
mostly one sided - That is repeated abuse with no reprisal that
serves to further the conflict.
This is why we "Don't feed the troll".
Several states have "cyberstalking laws" For Florida from...
-------------------------------------
http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/florida.shtml
Florida
H479 passed; approved by Governor Jeb Bush on 5/21/03; effective
10/01/2003
Relating to the offense of stalking
Offense of Stalking; defines term "cyberstalk" to mean communication by
means of electronic mail or electronic communication which causes
substantial emotional distress & does not serve legitimate purpose;
includes within offenses of stalking & aggravated stalking willful,
malicious, & repeated cyberstalking of another person; provides
penalties, etc. Amends 784.048; reenacts 775.084(1)(d), 790.065(2)(c),
921.0022(3)(f),(g), 960.001(1)(b).
--------------------------------------
Main link...
http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/index.shtml
--
Linux Help: http://rsgibson.com/linux.htm
Email - rsgi...@verizon.borg
Replace borg with net
Bit Twister
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:20:17 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>> They do like to have the full header and article body with a brief
>> statement as to why you posted the complaint.
>
> One thing to keep in mind - They will tend to ignore a complaint by
> a person of that person engages in a tit for tat long series of
> argumentative posts.
>
> They are much more inclined to act on a request where the abuse is
> mostly one sided - That is repeated abuse with no reprisal that
> serves to further the conflict.
Thanks for the links. I hear where you are comming from, but, Matt
left_coast has been stalking me for over a year now, and the long
"tit for tat" would seem to be needed to prove
*does not serve legitimate purpose* type posts.
I cannot show "substantial emotional distress" because of foul
language restrictions in my ISP's AUP. :-(
> This is why we "Don't feed the troll".
Using your do not feed the troll would not seem to help if I can only
show one to four stalks a month since he seems to have backed off on
the other stalking activities. :(
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:08:21 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:
I also have to add to this that my ISP has contacted me again today - that
is twice in one day now - that they have _again_ received a complaint about
me, regarding "breaching the Netiquette", and they kindly asked for an
explanation. The headers included pointed towards Matt again... I'd say
that /cyberstalking/ has just gotten a new dimension...
I have of course explained once more what this was all about, and I have
provided the links to the Google Groups pages for this thread, so that they
can see for themselves who is at fault here.
Bit Twister
> I also have to add to this that my ISP has contacted me again today - that
> is twice in one day now - that they have _again_ received a complaint about
> me, regarding "breaching the Netiquette", and they kindly asked for an
> explanation. The headers included pointed towards Matt again... I'd say
> that /cyberstalking/ has just gotten a new dimension...
Hey, Aragorn, I would like to *talk* to you.
Would you log into my system ssh gu...@76.184.131.12 password is justme
If you cannot get in, let's take this over to tx.test news group,
if your news server has that group.
If not give me a group you have and I'll see if I have access to it.
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:00:43 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> I also have to add to this that my ISP has contacted me again today -
>> that is twice in one day now - that they have _again_ received a
>> complaint about me, regarding "breaching the Netiquette", and they kindly
>> asked for an explanation. The headers included pointed towards Matt
>> again... I'd say that /cyberstalking/ has just gotten a new dimension...
>
> Hey, Aragorn, I would like to *talk* to you.
>
> Would you log into my system ssh gu...@76.184.131.12 password is
> justme
I can't seem to log in... :-/
> If you cannot get in, let's take this over to tx.test news group,
> if your news server has that group.
> If not give me a group you have and I'll see if I have access to it.
I have a much better idea... Join me on my IRC network. Use BitTwister as
your nick. I will see you connecting...
irc://irc.chatfactory.net:6667
We can talk in realtime there... I have a few things to tell you as
well... ;-)
Bit Twister
>
> irc://irc.chatfactory.net:6667
>
> We can talk in realtime there... I have a few things to tell you as
> well... ;-)
Never used chat. Fired up gaim, not sure what to put where,
What test group can we move this to?
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 02:02:39 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
Well /alt.test/ is available, but I was rather hoping we could talk on IRC
as it's interactive. I don't know whether /gaim/ offers IRC, but you
should normally have BitchX or irsii installed. Also, there's XChat for
GTK.
In the server field, type /irc.chatfactory.net,/ in the port field /6667/
and in the nick field /BitTwister/ - no spaces. You should also enter a
username and a real name, but you can use BitTwister there too. Then
choose connect.
You will see a window being opened with lots of messages scrolling by. As I
am a NetAdmin, I will see you connecting and I will open up a private
conversation window with you. ;-)
Bit Twister
> Well /alt.test/ is available, but I was rather hoping we could talk on IRC
> as it's interactive. I don't know whether /gaim/ offers IRC, but you
> should normally have BitchX or irsii installed. Also, there's XChat for
> GTK.
Ok, see you in alt.test for getting irc running.
Aragorn
in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Saturday 02 December 2006 03:09, Bit Twister stood up and addressed the
> masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 02:02:39 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>>>
>>> irc://irc.chatfactory.net:6667
>>>
>>> We can talk in realtime there... I have a few things to tell you as
>>> well... ;-)
>>
>> Never used chat. Fired up gaim, not sure what to put where,
>> What test group can we move this to?
>
> Well /alt.test/ is available, but I was rather hoping we could talk on IRC
> as it's interactive. I don't know whether /gaim/ offers IRC, but you
> should normally have BitchX or irsii installed. [...]
/BitchX/ is a commandline utility. You use it with the following syntax...
BitchX -n BitTwister irc.chatfactory.net
/irsii/ should be similar.
Aragorn
in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Saturday 02 December 2006 03:09, Bit Twister stood up and addressed the
> masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 02:02:39 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>>>
>>> irc://irc.chatfactory.net:6667
>>>
>>> We can talk in realtime there... I have a few things to tell you as
>>> well... ;-)
>>
>> Never used chat. Fired up gaim, not sure what to put where,
>> What test group can we move this to?
>
> Well /alt.test/ is available, but I was rather hoping we could talk on IRC
> as it's interactive. I don't know whether /gaim/ offers IRC, but you
> should normally have BitchX or irsii installed. Also, there's XChat for
> GTK.
>
> In the server field, type /irc.chatfactory.net,/ in the port field /6667/
> and in the nick field /BitTwister/ - no spaces. You should also enter a
> username and a real name, but you can use BitTwister there too. Then
> choose connect.
>
> You will see a window being opened with lots of messages scrolling by. As
> I am a NetAdmin, I will see you connecting and I will open up a private
> conversation window with you. ;-)
Okay, I see you there. I've opened up a private window to you. It might be
in a separate tab or a separate window, depending on what client you're
using. ;-)
Bit Twister
>
> /BitchX/ is a commandline utility. You use it with the following syntax...
>
> BitchX -n BitTwister irc.chatfactory.net
>
gaim says
tryder|Away: hang on
and I get
(08:18:00 PM) bittwister: well I see you
(08:18:00 PM) User is not logged in
Aragorn
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandriva/ as follows...:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 02:17:22 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
Well, it worked nevertheless. ;-) I didn't know Gaim had an IRC client as
well, by the way. I know some other IM's do, like Kopete.
I normally don't use Instant Messengers. For IRC, I use /KVIrc,/ which is a
very scriptable, aesthetically looking Qt-based IRC client. Originally it
only existed for UNIX, but now they also offer Windows versions.
... for anyone interested. ;-) We've had good contacts with the developers
too, and they're very nice and helpful people. ;-)
Bit Twister
>
> I didn't know Gaim had an IRC client as well, by the way.
man gaim snippet.
It supports multiple protocols via modules, including AIM, ICQ,
Yahoo, MSN, Jab-ber, IRC, Napster, Gadu-Gadu and Zephyr.