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Analysis of posts to alt.os.linux.mandrake by Robert Marshall
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(stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)

Total posts considered: 232 over 7 days
Earliest article: Fri Nov 3 21:25:07 2006
Latest article: Fri Nov 10 20:25:02 2006
Original articles: 20, replies: 212
Total size of posts: 688,158 bytes (672K) (0.66M)
Average 33 articles per day, 0.09 MB per day, 2,966 bytes per article
Total headers: 344 KB bodies: 327 KB
Body text - quoted: 107 KB, original: 201 KB = 65.15%, sigs: 17 KB
Total number of posters: 58, average 11,864 bytes per poster
Total number of threads: 30, average 22,938 bytes per thread
Total number of User-Agents: 30

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Top 20 posters by number of articles
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1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 69
2: Aragorn <str...@telenet.invalid>.............................. : 20
3: Chris Hunter <chrise...@blueyonder.co.uk>................... : 17
4: Bit Twister <BitTw...@mouse-potato.com>...................... : 13
5: "johnny" <joh...@nowhere.us>................................... : 9
6: Dan C <youmust...@invalid.lan>............................ : 6
7: Dave <duff...@hotmail.com>................................... : 6
8: Keith Lee <cma...@NOSPAMnethere.com>.......................... : 5
9: nob...@tek.com (Kevin the Drummer)............................. : 5
10: nobody you know <nob...@nowhere.net>........................... : 5
11: Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>......................... : 5
12: alex <m...@privacy.net>.......................................... : 5
13: David Mathog <mat...@caltech.edu>.............................. : 4
14: "James J. Dines" <james...@gmail.com>....................... : 4
15: Donald Tees <donal...@donald-tees.ca>....................... : 4
16: "James D. Beard" <jim....@verizon.net>....................... : 3
17: Jim Howe <Not...@nospam.com>................................... : 2
18: "Santo" <na...@auroville.org.in>............................... : 2
19: "Andy" <nos...@no.net>......................................... : 2
20: "Ranma" <ra...@kendo.dojo.jp>.................................. : 2

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Top 20 posters by article size in Kbytes
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1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 195
2: Aragorn <str...@telenet.invalid>.............................. : 105
3: Chris Hunter <chrise...@blueyonder.co.uk>................... : 38
4: Bit Twister <BitTw...@mouse-potato.com>...................... : 33
5: "johnny" <joh...@nowhere.us>................................... : 22
6: Jim Howe <Not...@nospam.com>................................... : 15
7: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats <use...@capuchin.co.uk>............ : 14
8: Walter Mautner <nodeleaf.20...@spamgourmet.com>........ : 13
9: MikeS <mikes...@hotmail.com>................................. : 13
10: nob...@tek.com (Kevin the Drummer)............................. : 12
11: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats <use...@capuchin.co.uk>............ : 12
12: Dave <duff...@hotmail.com>................................... : 12
13: Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>......................... : 12
14: Donald Tees <donal...@donald-tees.ca>....................... : 11
15: Dan C <youmust...@invalid.lan>............................ : 10
16: "James J. Dines" <james...@gmail.com>....................... : 10
17: alex <m...@privacy.net>.......................................... : 9
18: Keith Lee <cma...@NOSPAMnethere.com>.......................... : 9
19: nobody you know <nob...@nowhere.net>........................... : 9
20: "James D. Beard" <jim....@verizon.net>....................... : 9

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Top 11 responders by original text (> 5 posts)
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1: Aragorn <str...@telenet.invalid>.............................. : 80.35%
2: alex <m...@privacy.net>.......................................... : 65.61%
3: Dave <duff...@hotmail.com>................................... : 63.37%
4: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 62.53%
5: Chris Hunter <chrise...@blueyonder.co.uk>................... : 61.68%
6: Dan C <youmust...@invalid.lan>............................ : 59.68%
7: Keith Lee <cma...@NOSPAMnethere.com>.......................... : 53.54%
8: Bit Twister <BitTw...@mouse-potato.com>...................... : 52.12%
9: nobody you know <nob...@nowhere.net>........................... : 50.06%
10: nob...@tek.com (Kevin the Drummer)............................. : 48.05%
11: Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>......................... : 21.10%

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Bottom 11 responders by original text (> 5 posts)
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1: "johnny" <joh...@nowhere.us>................................... : 21.04%
2: Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>......................... : 21.10%
3: nob...@tek.com (Kevin the Drummer)............................. : 48.05%
4: nobody you know <nob...@nowhere.net>........................... : 50.06%
5: Bit Twister <BitTw...@mouse-potato.com>...................... : 52.12%
6: Keith Lee <cma...@NOSPAMnethere.com>.......................... : 53.54%
7: Dan C <youmust...@invalid.lan>............................ : 59.68%
8: Chris Hunter <chrise...@blueyonder.co.uk>................... : 61.68%
9: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 62.53%
10: Dave <duff...@hotmail.com>................................... : 63.37%
11: alex <m...@privacy.net>.......................................... : 65.61%

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Top 20 threads by no. of articles
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1: Test Message................................................... : 108
2: Mandriva 2007 issues........................................... : 14
3: Mandriva 2007 questions........................................ : 11
4: default gateway issue.......................................... : 11
5: Bootable floppy or CD under Mandriva Linux 2007?............... : 11
6: Politics (was: Re: Test Message)............................... : 10
7: newsreader?.................................................... : 9
8: Good forum about k9copy?....................................... : 8
9: ATI drivers with Mandriva 2007................................. : 6
10: multi-boot pc with different mandriva version.................. : 6
11: *.run installer.. how to?...................................... : 3
12: Resolution changes when system times out....................... : 3
13: Filesystems unmounting themselves.............................. : 3
14: firefox file selection dialog slider doesn't work.............. : 3
15: SAMBA PDC - Roaming Profile will not load...................... : 2
16: Novell = SCO................................................... : 2
17: Can Process X determine IP address a SSH login is using in Proc : 2
18: Moving to Linux................................................ : 2
19: new kernels make bogus lilo.conf............................... : 2
20: [OT] political debate; was [Re: Test Message].................. : 2

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Top 20 threads by size in KB
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1: Test Message................................................... : 339
2: Mandriva 2007 questions........................................ : 39
3: Politics (was: Re: Test Message)............................... : 36
4: Mandriva 2007 issues........................................... : 27
5: Bootable floppy or CD under Mandriva Linux 2007?............... : 26
6: ATI drivers with Mandriva 2007................................. : 24
7: default gateway issue.......................................... : 22
8: newsreader?.................................................... : 16
9: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandriva........................... : 14
10: Good forum about k9copy?....................................... : 13
11: multi-boot pc with different mandriva version.................. : 12
12: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake........................... : 12
13: SAMBA PDC - Roaming Profile will not load...................... : 12
14: Resolution changes when system times out....................... : 7
15: Moving to Linux................................................ : 6
16: Filesystems unmounting themselves.............................. : 5
17: Can Process X determine IP address a SSH login is using in Proc : 5
18: firefox file selection dialog slider doesn't work.............. : 5
19: *.run installer.. how to?...................................... : 5
20: Cisco VPN Client -> network hang or system lock................ : 4

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Top 9 cross-posted groups
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1: alt.os.linux.mandriva.......................................... : 31
2: alt.linux.suse................................................. : 6
3: alt.os.linux.debian............................................ : 6
4: soc.culture.singapore.......................................... : 2
5: alt.os.linux................................................... : 2
6: comp.os.linux.misc............................................. : 2
7: soc.culture.malaysia........................................... : 2
8: comp.os.linux.networking....................................... : 2
9: alt.os.linux.suse.............................................. : 2

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Top 10 User Agents by poster
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1: KNode.......................................................... : 10
2: Pan............................................................ : 9
3: slrn........................................................... : 8
4: G2............................................................. : 7
5: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11....................................... : 6
6: Mozilla........................................................ : 4
7: Unknown........................................................ : 4
8: pan............................................................ : 3
9: Forte Agent.................................................... : 2
10: Opera Mail..................................................... : 1

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Top 10 User Agents by number of posts
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1: KNode..................................................... : 114 (49%)
2: slrn...................................................... : 34 (15%)
3: Pan....................................................... : 19 ( 8%)
4: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11.................................. : 14 ( 6%)
5: Mozilla................................................... : 13 ( 6%)
6: pan....................................................... : 13 ( 6%)
7: G2........................................................ : 8 ( 3%)
8: Forte Agent............................................... : 6 ( 3%)
9: unknown................................................... : 3 ( 1%)
10: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows.............................. : 2 ( 1%)

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Top 10 time zones
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1: UTC............................................................ : 92
2: -0800.......................................................... : 87
3: -0600.......................................................... : 28
4: -0500.......................................................... : 11
5: +0100.......................................................... : 8
6: +1100.......................................................... : 2
7: ............................................................... : 1
8: +0900.......................................................... : 1
9: -0500 (EST).................................................... : 1
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Dave

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Nov 10, 2006, 6:04:45 PM11/10/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:00:03 +0000, alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats wrote:

> ============================================================================
> Top 20 posters by number of articles
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> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 69

[...]

> ============================================================================
> Top 20 posters by article size in Kbytes
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> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 195

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> Top 20 threads by no. of articles
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> 1: Test Message................................................... : 108

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> Top 20 threads by size in KB
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> 1: Test Message................................................... : 339

*sigh*

When will people learn? Trolls cannot be reasoned with, they're too stupid
to learn.

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left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 6:38:39 PM11/10/06

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Dave wrote:

>> 1: Test Message................................................... :
>> 339
>
> sigh

>
> When will people learn? Trolls cannot be reasoned with, they're too stupid
> to learn.
>

Yeah, I am getting sick of the trolls that don't learn that telling people
that test posts are a failure is just wrong.

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 6:42:05 PM11/10/06

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Dave wrote:

> Trolls cannot be reasoned with

Once again, Dave, When I see some REASON I will read it. But the fact is, I
have people claiming that Europeans were not involved in the slave trade,
simply FALSE and UNREASONABLE. But you bet, I have to admit, I do have a
hard time trying to reason with the troll that made the false claim
Europeans never kidnapped Africans for slavery. Bwhahahahaha, talk about
being an unreasonable troll.

Bit Twister

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Nov 10, 2006, 6:54:59 PM11/10/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:38:39 -0800, left_coast wrote:

> Yeah, I am getting sick

Sounds like a lie to me.
Have you been to the doctor with that sickness you are talking about.

> of the trolls

Yet another lie. You are the troll making stupid lies about the post.

> that don't learn that telling people

Another lie, because of the next upcomming lie

> that test posts are a failure is just wrong.

Now it's "just wrong" and not a lie after making 100's of replies
trying to defend your lies.

There is nothing "wrong" using humor to help spare the feelings when you are
trying to tell someone they have made a mistake.

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:00:07 PM11/10/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:38:39 -0800, left_coast wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I am getting sick
>
> Sounds like a lie to me.

Don't care what you think.

> Have you been to the doctor with that sickness you are talking about.

Naw, I know that it is the people that TELL LIES about test posts that need
to go to the doctor.

>
>> of the trolls
>
> Yet another lie.

Nope, it is the truth. I am the expert on what I am sick of.

> You are the troll making stupid lies about the post.

Nope, I tell the TRUTH. I'm not the one that has to try to hid behind the
claim "I'm not trying to deceive". Anyone that is telling the TRUTH would
simply say they are telling the truth rather than "I'm not trying to
deceive"

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:03:04 PM11/10/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

>> that test posts are a failure is just wrong.
>
> Now it's "just wrong" and not a lie after making 100's of replies
> trying to defend your lies.

You are not making ANY sense as usual. It seems obvious to me you are
posting in anger driven by hate.

>
> There is nothing "wrong" using humor to help spare the feelings when you
> are trying to tell someone they have made a mistake.

Since humor can be used to LIE, claiming that it is humor does not mean it
is not a lie. Come back when you are RATIONAL.

Claiming that test posts are a failure is a LIE.

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:10:00 PM11/10/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

> Now it's "just wrong" and not a lie after making 100's of replies
> trying to defend your lies.

What is WRONG is denying the dictionary definitions of words in order to
warp the meaning to justify your hate.

Dave

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:05:49 PM11/10/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:42:05 -0800, left_coast wrote:

[Snip blatherings]

Stupid fucking retard. Don't bother with a reply, I'll just nail you
further down the scorefile.

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:14:54 PM11/10/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

> Now it's "just wrong" and not a lie

In most cases lies are WRONG. Being a lie an being wrong are NOT MUTUALLY
EXCLUSIVE. Just how stupid are you? How much of a troll does it take to try
to say that a saying "just wrong" contradicts the claim of a lie. To tell
the lie that the test post failed is just wrong. Geeszzzz, you, with your
irrational claims and Aragorn with his bogus claims that Europeans did not
kidnap Africans, to peas in a pod, both out of touch with reality.

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:17:08 PM11/10/06

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Dave wrote:

> Stupid fucking retard. Don't bother with a reply, I'll just nail you
> further down the scorefile.
>

Bahahahahha, nail me with your childish name calling? I think not. As I have
said in other places, If you think telling lies about test posts failing is
a good thing, pleas DO PUT ME IN YOUR KILLFILE. You act as if I respect you
enough to care what the likes of you think.

Bit Twister

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:27:31 PM11/10/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:03:04 -0800, left_coast wrote:
>
> It seems obvious to me you are posting in anger driven by hate.

No, just defing myself from your mindless lying attacks.

> Since humor can be used to LIE,

Yet another usual matt left_coast tatic, create a decitful statement to justify
the upcomming lame lying attempt.

> claiming that it is humor does not mean it is not a lie.

Yup, there is your lie. Since I was deceiving no one, I was not lying.
See definition of lying farther down this post.

> Come back when you are RATIONAL.

Yet another lying attempt to discredit me with *screaming* no less.

> Claiming that test posts are a failure is a LIE.

You can not have me creating a "LIE" (that is a noun) unless I have lied.
Lied, is a /verb/, which you seem to not have the brains to understand.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=45936&dict=CALD
verb [I] lying, lied, lied
to say or write something which is not true in order to deceive someone:

left_coast

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Nov 10, 2006, 7:42:34 PM11/10/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

>> It seems obvious to me you are posting in anger driven by hate.
>
> No, just defing myself from your mindless lying attacks.
>

Yeah, right. I said NOTHING about YOU until you attacked ME. I described a
behavior. It was your guilty conscience that made you think it was about
YOU. Your hate is making your irrational.

I stated: "telling people that test posts are a failure is just wrong." the
only people that statement applies to are people that are "telling people
that test posts are a failure". In other words, the only way the statement
could apply to you is if you were "telling people that test posts are a
failure" So, as long as you are saying that I said something about you, you
are admitting that you are " telling people that test posts are a failure".

Bit Twister

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Nov 10, 2006, 8:32:21 PM11/10/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:42:34 -0800, left_coast wrote:
>
> Yeah, right. I said NOTHING about YOU until you attacked ME.

Hahaha, playing at being the victim again I see. That is a lie.

You are the stalker and your first attack can be seen here
Message-ID: <ccKdnXkvK-x...@rcn.net>
Thurs, Sep 29 2005 1

> I described a behavior.

No, you are the one making deliberate libelous accusations.
No one can be lying when they are not trying to deceive any one.

You did the "humor hurts" crap a few times and nobody was buying your
lies and jumped all over you so you quit that attack.

> It was your guilty conscience that made you think it was about YOU.

Not hardly, you have left plenty of tracks easly followed with google.

Most of the time you posted your discrediting attempts as responses to my
reply. Then it seems sometime in the last few months after I showed
you stalking me, you have started posting your deliberate libelous
accusation to the op's post to make it seem like you were not stalking me.

> Your hate is making your irrational.

Yet another lying attempt to descredit me.

Aragorn

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:21:38 PM11/10/06

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On Saturday 11 November 2006 00:04, Dave stood up and addressed the masses
in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:00:03 +0000, alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats wrote:
>

>> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... :
>>
>> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... :
>>
>> 1: Test Message................................................... :
>>
>> 1: Test Message................................................... :

>
> *sigh*
>
> When will people learn? Trolls cannot be reasoned with, they're too stupid
> to learn.

I agree, *but* even if we were all to shut up at the snap of someone's
fingers, he'll still be going on for weeks - I noticed him even posting a
reply to me in a thread I had already /plonked/ a week before that - and as
you can see - unless you've got him /killfiled/ - he posts several replies
to the same post, repeating himself over and over, as if that would prove
him right somehow.

Believe me, I *am* tempted to simply run away from the thread - as has so
far always been the case in any debate/flamewar[1] I've had with Matt, and
as probably _will_ happen here again sooner or later - but I just can't
stand lies being told - blame it on my Asperger's - or people being
bullied.

And as long as people are going to be posting test posts to this group -
yeah, they never learn, do they? - Bit Twister will - correctly - set them
straight, with a sneering post from Matt following right up the next
minute.

Having been bullied myself in school (and elsewhere), I just can't stand
bullying anymore, no matter who does it or who the victim is. And I think
we can *all* agree that Bit Twister is one of the most helpful people on
this newsgroup. He doesn't deserve to be bullied or stalked by a psychotic
person who can't even read English right without reading something
unwritten into it.

_
[1] The fact that he doesn't even understand or notice that any thread in
which he posts more than three replies - I am leaving a large margin here -
deteriorates in a flamewar clearly says something about his psychotic
nature.

Schizophrenics *do* tend to lose grip of reality. He should really seek out
professional help. But then again, the very nature of paranoid
schizophrenia is also responsible for this advice being waived as a
malicious or insulting comment from the other person, which makes it
difficult - not to say virtually impossible - to help such people come back
to terms with reality.

In his eyes, he's the only righteous person on the planet, and everyone who
dares criticize him or even look at him in what he perceives as "the wrong
way" is an evil enemy that needs chastizing.

--
With kind regards,

*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

Chris F.A. Johnson

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:19:06 PM11/10/06

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On 2006-11-11, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:42:34 -0800, left_coast wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, right. I said NOTHING about YOU until you attacked ME.
>
> Hahaha, playing at being the victim again I see. That is a lie.

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

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Aragorn

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:29:16 PM11/10/06

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On Saturday 11 November 2006 01:10, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Bit Twister wrote:

If only you were to allow yourself to sit back, take a deep breath and find
some tranquility in your brain before you went ahead in typing your reply,
you would see for yourself that there was no denying of dictionary
definitions since a dictionary only gives you synonyms or explanations of
isolated words, and not of phrases formed by combining those words into a
sentence.

And in addition, if you were to throw in a bit of honesty in there, you
would even come to see that there is no hatred in what Bit Twister wrote,
or what I myself wrote, or Chris Hunter for that matter, or Santo, or Dave,
or whomever - other than Dan C, but that's another breed of character - but
that it is *you* who hates *us,* and with a passionate vengeance too for
that matter.

Sure, you can offend us. You can hurt us. You can insult us. You can
drive us insane of anger and frustration. But that's not the same thing as
hatred. I cannot speak for other people but myself, of course, but I do
think I'm not that far off the baseline when I say that nobody here really
hates you, while your posts show nothing _but_ hatred against many of us.

Think about it for a while, dude. And maybe, just maybe, you will see the
light somewhere.

Bit Twister

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:44:16 PM11/10/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:21:38 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

Lots of snippage follows:

> deteriorates in a flamewar clearly says something about his psychotic nature.
>
> Schizophrenics *do* tend to lose grip of reality.

> In his eyes, he's the only righteous person on the planet, and everyone who
> dares criticize him or even look at him in what he perceives as "the wrong
> way" is an evil enemy that needs chastizing.

I can conceed to your higher level of mental disorder knowledge, but having
watched him attacking one or two others, I would say he just a bullying
argumentive troll and needs a lart application.

Everyone that shows him up, windup with him calling them a liar when
he looses the argument.

Bit Twister

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Nov 10, 2006, 9:50:46 PM11/10/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:19:06 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

> PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

I can feel your pain, but he has been stalking me for over a year and
the more abuse reports generated the quicker we might be able to
have him on dialup to reduce his usenet abuse. :)

Chris F.A. Johnson

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Nov 10, 2006, 10:15:36 PM11/10/06

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On 2006-11-11, Bit Twister wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:19:06 -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
>> PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
>
> I can feel your pain, but he has been stalking me for over a year and

That's becasue you rise to the bait. Killfile the twit and move
on.

> the more abuse reports generated the quicker we might be able to
> have him on dialup to reduce his usenet abuse. :)

That's unlikely. In the meantime, the rest of us get to suffer
through the drivel he posts.

Chris Hunter

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Nov 11, 2006, 1:21:06 AM11/11/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

> he loses the argument.

That's *always* his final retort - and he *has* to have the last word (so he
can think he's "won"). If we all keep feeding him some bait for a while,
we can get enough ammunition for his ISP....

Chris

Bit Twister

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Nov 11, 2006, 1:35:19 AM11/11/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:21:06 GMT, Chris Hunter wrote:

> If we all keep feeding him some bait for a while,

No bait required.

He starts the test flame war with the Defamation and/or Disruptive Activities
all by himself. The freaking politics flame bait helps even more.

> we can get enough ammunition for his ISP....

You can already pull a google search with Author: matt_left_coast and
again with left_coast, pick several recent tirades as documentation
and send it in. For each new abuse tirade, put it on top and knock one
of the bottom and send it in.

left_coast

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Nov 11, 2006, 3:24:07 AM11/11/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

> I can conceed to your higher level of mental disorder knowledge, but
> having watched him attacking one or two others, I would say he just a
> bullying argumentive troll and needs a lart application.

How about Aragorns FALSE claims about European history he made so he could
justify his America Bashing? Talk about attacking,.

left_coast

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Nov 11, 2006, 3:24:54 AM11/11/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

>> If we all keep feeding him some bait for a while,
>
> No bait required.

Of course not, One does not need to bate the truth out of me.

left_coast

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Nov 11, 2006, 3:28:31 AM11/11/06

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Bit Twister wrote:

> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=45936&dict=CALD
> verb [I] lying, lied, lied
> to say or write something which is not true in order to deceive someone:

Unfortunately for you, I did not say Lying or lied so those definitions DO
NOT FIT WHAT I SAID. It is just like you to disregard what was actually
said in order to justify your hate. What I said was Tell a lie. Not the
same thing.

The cambridge dictionary has a spacific meaning for "tell a lie"

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=81791&dict=CALD

To bad you are not honest enough to deal with what I ACTUALLY said.

left_coast

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Nov 11, 2006, 3:28:51 AM11/11/06

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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

> On 2006-11-11, Bit Twister wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:42:34 -0800, left_coast wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, right. I said NOTHING about YOU until you attacked ME.
>>
>> Hahaha, playing at being the victim again I see. That is a lie.
>
> PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
>

But feeding Bit is SO MUCH FUN@

left_coast

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Nov 11, 2006, 3:30:39 AM11/11/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> What is WRONG is denying the dictionary definitions of words in order to
>> warp the meaning to justify your hate.
>
> If only you were to allow yourself to sit back, take a deep breath and
> find some tranquility in your brain before you went ahead in typing your
> reply, you would see for yourself that there was no denying of dictionary
> definitions since a dictionary only gives you synonyms or explanations of
> isolated words, and not of phrases formed by combining those words into a
> sentence.

ttp://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=81791&dict=CALD

Defines the PHRASE "tell a lie" as "to say something/things that are not
true:"

Guess you are WRONG AGAIN.

Dave

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Nov 11, 2006, 6:12:12 AM11/11/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:21:38 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

> I agree, *but* even if we were all to shut up at the snap of someone's
> fingers, he'll still be going on for weeks - I noticed him even posting a
> reply to me in a thread I had already /plonked/ a week before that - and as
> you can see - unless you've got him /killfiled/ - he posts several replies
> to the same post, repeating himself over and over, as if that would prove
> him right somehow.
>
> Believe me, I *am* tempted to simply run away from the thread - as has so
> far always been the case in any debate/flamewar[1] I've had with Matt, and
> as probably _will_ happen here again sooner or later - but I just can't
> stand lies being told - blame it on my Asperger's - or people being
> bullied.
>
> And as long as people are going to be posting test posts to this group -
> yeah, they never learn, do they? - Bit Twister will - correctly - set them
> straight, with a sneering post from Matt following right up the next
> minute.
>
> Having been bullied myself in school (and elsewhere), I just can't stand
> bullying anymore, no matter who does it or who the victim is. And I think
> we can *all* agree that Bit Twister is one of the most helpful people on
> this newsgroup. He doesn't deserve to be bullied or stalked by a psychotic
> person who can't even read English right without reading something
> unwritten into it.

Well, whatever the reasons you have for attempting to hammer sense into
it, it's achieved something that nobody else has.

It now has a score of =-9999.

Good luck with your endevour, although I forsee you also giving it a
similar score pretty soon.

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 5:33:18 PM11/11/06

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On Saturday 11 November 2006 09:28, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
>> PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!
>
> But feeding Bit is SO MUCH FUN@

Which is why you forfeit all credibility in anything you post. And which is
why you really *are* a jerk.

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 5:34:17 PM11/11/06

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On Saturday 11 November 2006 09:30, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

Your reading comprehension skills are even worse than those of a two-year
old.

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 5:38:54 PM11/11/06

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On Saturday 11 November 2006 09:24, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Bit Twister wrote:

You mean your own inability and unwillingness to correctly interpret what
someone else - in this case, myself - has worded less adequately than he
intended?

> Talk about attacking,.

Exactly, and that *is* what you were doing towards us Europeans, and that
*is* what you keep doing over and over and over again with your flurry of
scattered repetitions of your own claims, in which you _hope_ that by
repeating them enough times, they will come across as the sole truth.

A man who speaks the truth does not need to resort to namecalling to win his
case, nor to repeating himself over and over and making sneers at the other
party in various scattered follow-ups.

It is only the liar who needs to do that. And clearly, that is you.

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 5:44:35 PM11/11/06

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On Saturday 11 November 2006 12:12, Dave stood up and addressed the masses
in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:21:38 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

The problem with /KNode/ is that even with a minimum score, it will still be
downloading the headers and thus marking those posts as "unread".

This - in combination with the busy traffic on many groups - forces me to
give each newsgroup a few extra runs to make sure I've read all legitimate
posts before I have to click the group and "mark all as read" to reset the
counters.

When I have my new machine, I'll be using /KNode/ as a client to /leafnode./
Then at least /killed/ posters really _are_ /killed/ and their headers
won't be downloaded into /KNode/ itself anymore. :-/

By the way, funny you call him an "it"... Reminds me of "The Exorcist". I
wonder whether he's spinning his head 360° as well when he types, but I
guess we've all already seen the green pea soup being sprayed all over the
threads... ;-þ

Dave

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Nov 11, 2006, 6:01:09 PM11/11/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:44:35 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

> The problem with /KNode/ is that even with a minimum score, it will still be
> downloading the headers and thus marking those posts as "unread".
>
> This - in combination with the busy traffic on many groups - forces me to
> give each newsgroup a few extra runs to make sure I've read all legitimate
> posts before I have to click the group and "mark all as read" to reset the
> counters.
>
> When I have my new machine, I'll be using /KNode/ as a client to /leafnode./
> Then at least /killed/ posters really _are_ /killed/ and their headers
> won't be downloaded into /KNode/ itself anymore. :-/

Come to Slrn (and Vim)... you know it's inevitable. ;)

> By the way, funny you call him an "it"...

Who's the "him"?

> Reminds me of "The Exorcist". I wonder whether he's spinning his head
> 360° as well when he types, but I guess we've all already seen the green
> pea soup being sprayed all over the threads... ;-þ

I would call it a "Jibba-Jabber", but those things put a smile on my face.
Therefore, the closest thing is "Loopy"
(http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/loopy.htm), but again...
this puts a smile on my face. Hence, matt is designated an "it".

Bit Twister

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Nov 11, 2006, 6:10:54 PM11/11/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:44:35 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>

> The problem with /KNode/ is that even with a minimum score, it will still be
> downloading the headers and thus marking those posts as "unread".

Hey, we need to get you up and running on slrn. :)
It can automagically strip the -9999
You can also add cleanscore on session logout to remove expired
entries to keep it manageable.

You get to set your default editor in SLRn_EDITOR

Tried knode just to see the results of / * and _
No effect.

> This - in combination with the busy traffic on many groups - forces me to
> give each newsgroup a few extra runs to make sure I've read all legitimate
> posts before I have to click the group and "mark all as read" to reset the
> counters.

Simple g will reload/strip a group.

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 6:24:47 PM11/11/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 00:01, Dave stood up and addressed the masses
in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:44:35 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> When I have my new machine, I'll be using /KNode/ as a client to
>> /leafnode./ Then at least /killed/ posters really _are_ /killed/ and
>> their headers won't be downloaded into /KNode/ itself anymore. :-/
>
> Come to Slrn (and Vim)... you know it's inevitable. ;)

Now *why* did I know you were going to say that? ;-p

The thing is that /slrn/ is not so bad, but /vim/ is not exactly my favorite
editor. I used to use /vi/ to write COBOL programs on a UNIX minicomputer,
and I still remember how much time I kept on losing because of those darn
control keys. /Emacs/ is similar in usability, albeit that the control
keys are differently laid out there.

I'd be using /mcedit/ - which I find the most usable for light editing - or
perhaps /nano/ or something if I were to resort to using /slrn./ ;-)

>> By the way, funny you call him an "it"...
>
> Who's the "him"?

Well, our foaming resident, of course. ;-)

>> Reminds me of "The Exorcist". I wonder whether he's spinning his head
>> 360° as well when he types, but I guess we've all already seen the green
>> pea soup being sprayed all over the threads... ;-þ
>
> I would call it a "Jibba-Jabber", but those things put a smile on my face.
> Therefore, the closest thing is "Loopy"
> (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/loopy.htm), but again...
> this puts a smile on my face. Hence, matt is designated an "it".

Hmm... There's a novel by Stephen King called "It". I didn't read the
novel, but I saw the miniseries on it twice.

Just for those who haven't heard of "It" yet...: it's basically the story of
seven people who as children were all considered "outcasts" somehow by the
others, and of a monster that reappears every 30 years - often in the guise
of a clown - and that kills children and feeds off their fear.

As children themselves, the seven "misfits" managed to escape the monster,
but now, 30 years later, they are adults, and "it" has returned... <insert
scary music here>

It was pretty good, actually - well, everything by Stephen King is. Not as
scary yet as Matt, though ;-)

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 6:29:04 PM11/11/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 00:10, Bit Twister stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 22:44:35 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

>>
>> The problem with /KNode/ is that even with a minimum score, it will still
>> be downloading the headers and thus marking those posts as "unread".
>
> Hey, we need to get you up and running on slrn. :)

You guys really *are* a maffia... ;-þ

> It can automagically strip the -9999
> You can also add cleanscore on session logout to remove expired
> entries to keep it manageable.

Well, I'll look into it as soon as I have my new machine, but that may still
take a while... Several e-mails with requests for some specific
information to multiple computer peripheral manufacturers have stayed
unanswered up until now, and I can't use their components - which I would
really want - unless I have that information. :-/

> You get to set your default editor in SLRn_EDITOR

Yeah, I know you can set a default editor. And that's good, because /vim/
is not really a friend of mine. ;-)

> Tried knode just to see the results of / * and _
> No effect.

I'm afraid you lost me here... :-/

>> This - in combination with the busy traffic on many groups - forces me to
>> give each newsgroup a few extra runs to make sure I've read all
>> legitimate posts before I have to click the group and "mark all as read"
>> to reset the counters.
>
> Simple g will reload/strip a group.

Will try that later, thanks! :-)

Bit Twister

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Nov 11, 2006, 6:56:30 PM11/11/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:29:04 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> Tried knode just to see the results of / * and _
>> No effect.
>
> I'm afraid you lost me here... :-/

opening and trailing:
underscore implies/displays the intervening text _to be underlined_
asterisk displays the text *in bold font*
slash means the text is to be displayed /in italics/

Dave

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Nov 11, 2006, 7:09:41 PM11/11/06

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:24:47 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

> Now *why* did I know you were going to say that? ;-p

Beats me. :)

> The thing is that /slrn/ is not so bad, but /vim/ is not exactly my favorite
> editor. I used to use /vi/ to write COBOL programs on a UNIX minicomputer,
> and I still remember how much time I kept on losing because of those darn
> control keys. /Emacs/ is similar in usability, albeit that the control
> keys are differently laid out there.
>
> I'd be using /mcedit/ - which I find the most usable for light editing - or
> perhaps /nano/ or something if I were to resort to using /slrn./ ;-)

Play about with the "set editor_command" string in the slrn.rc file.

> Well, our foaming resident, of course. ;-)

I see no foamers now... so who's the "him"? ;)

> Hmm... There's a novel by Stephen King called "It". I didn't read the
> novel, but I saw the miniseries on it twice.
>
> Just for those who haven't heard of "It" yet...: it's basically the story of
> seven people who as children were all considered "outcasts" somehow by the
> others, and of a monster that reappears every 30 years - often in the guise
> of a clown - and that kills children and feeds off their fear.
>
> As children themselves, the seven "misfits" managed to escape the monster,
> but now, 30 years later, they are adults, and "it" has returned... <insert
> scary music here>
>
> It was pretty good, actually - well, everything by Stephen King is. Not as
> scary yet as Matt, though ;-)

Ah, alleged horror films. Not quite the same genre, but I'd rather settle
down and watch Nosferatu. :)

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 8:56:03 PM11/11/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 01:09, Dave stood up and addressed the masses
in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

I've seen "Nosferatu" - even twice, I think - and as the matter of fact,
they're showing it again this week on the digital subscriber channels over
here.

Still, the absolutely best Dracula movie I've ever seen was Francis Ford
Coppola's version of "Bram Stoker's Dracula", with an ingenious Gary
Oldman, an as always brilliant Anthony Hopkins and also not quite
inadequate performances by Keanu Reeves and Wynona Ryder. ;-)

P.S.: I was just in the middle of typing up this reply when my computer
froze again. Total kernel lock. That damn Radeon and its crappy
driver... :-/

I guess I'm going to have to hurry up on those plans for a new
machine... :-/

Aragorn

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Nov 11, 2006, 8:57:48 PM11/11/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 00:56, Bit Twister stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:29:04 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

So you mean that your /KNode/ doesn't show those? That's strange, because
mine does and always has... :-/

Bit Twister

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Nov 11, 2006, 9:15:08 PM11/11/06

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:57:48 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>
> So you mean that your /KNode/ doesn't show those? That's strange, because
> mine does and always has... :-/

Yes, I thought so to, since I had helped locate that problem for user
awhile back for someone who would not get the same google results.

My astrisk linux astrisk was hidden because of it being on.

This is Knode 3.5.4,
I have fancy formating enabled under View and nothing under
Configure Knode seems to enable it.

Would you share how to get to it in your verson, please.

Moe Trin

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Nov 11, 2006, 9:37:47 PM11/11/06

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
<Z5udnQQUaYs...@pipex.net>, Dave wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:00:03 +0000, alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats wrote:

>> ==========================================================================
>> Top 20 posters by number of articles
>> ==========================================================================
>> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>................................... : 69

>> ==========================================================================
>> Top 20 threads by no. of articles
>> ==========================================================================
>> 1: Test Message................................................. : 108

>*sigh*
>
>When will people learn? Trolls cannot be reasoned with, they're too stupid
>to learn.

Good question - maybe if people paid more attention to the FAQ

"How to make killfiles for use with various newsreaders."
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm

"What is a troll, what do they do, why do they do it, and
what can one do about them? (Anti Troll FAQ)"
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

they wouldn't have as much useless drivel to ignore or get pissed off about.
If they are using a real news reader, they can often kill the _responses_ to
the troll, so they have a better chance of not wasting time. I mean it's
not as if a troll is ever going to post anything _useful_ to anyone. In
similar manner, test posts rarely have useful questions OR ANSWERS, so they
can be safely ignored.

alt.os.linux.mandrake 338 190 56.2%
alt.os.linux.mandriva 536 99 18.4%

That's for November thus far, articles, killed, percentage. I'm trying to
at least scan some 90 news groups every day (which includes about 40 Linux
groups), so I don't have the time to waste looking at the noise.

Old guy

left_coast

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Nov 12, 2006, 12:32:29 PM11/12/06

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Moe Trin wrote:

> Good question - maybe if people paid more attention to the FAQ
>
> "How to make killfiles for use with various newsreaders."
> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
>
> "What is a troll, what do they do, why do they do it, and
> what can one do about them? (Anti Troll FAQ)"
> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
>

Heah, then they could kill file people that tell lies about test posts,
Killfile trolls that make troll posts claiming that Europeans never
kidnapped Afrinans into spread Anti-American propaganda throughout the news
groups.

left_coast

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Nov 12, 2006, 12:34:16 PM11/12/06

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Aragorn wrote:

> By the way, funny you call him an "it"... Reminds me of "The Exorcist".
> I wonder whether he's spinning his head 360°

I think the person that would be "spinning his head" is the one that males
false claims that Europeans never kidnapped Africans.

left_coast

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Nov 12, 2006, 1:04:19 PM11/12/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> How about Aragorns FALSE claims about European history he made so he
>> could justify his America Bashing?
>
> You mean your own inability and unwillingness to correctly interpret what
> someone else - in this case, myself - has worded less adequately than he
> intended?

Just how was I to interpret:

"I don't recall us traveling all the way to Africa to kidnap some people
there, take them back to our homelands, rape their wives and whip the skin
off their backs to get them to work for us in cotton plantations, or even
killing them for no reason other than sadism, just because it was legal to
do so."

As Europeans traveled to Africa to kidnap Africans, took them back to Europe
to keep them as slaves, or took them to their colonial possessions to rape
their wives, whip the skin and work in the European Colonial cotton
plantations?

Your claims that I am misinterpreting you simple do not meet with the FACTS.
You know, you claimed to have some medical condition that some how drove
you to be accurate, articulate... What was that again? Was it Munchausen
Syndrome?

lordy

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Nov 12, 2006, 5:57:38 PM11/12/06

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On 2006-11-12, Moe Trin <ibup...@painkiller.example.tld> wrote:
>
> Good question - maybe if people paid more attention to the FAQ
>
> "How to make killfiles for use with various newsreaders."
> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
>
> "What is a troll, what do they do, why do they do it, and
> what can one do about them? (Anti Troll FAQ)"
> http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
>

There is a certain irony that people that should know better and also
'promote' some aspects of netiquette, also seem to ignore it at
other times..

Lordy

Bit Twister

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Nov 12, 2006, 6:10:17 PM11/12/06

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On 12 Nov 2006 22:57:38 GMT, lordy wrote:
>
> There is a certain irony that people that should know better and also
> 'promote' some aspects of netiquette, also seem to ignore it at
> other times..

Then there are the ones seeing if they can get the troll's account
terminated for their abuse. :)

Aragorn

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Nov 13, 2006, 1:06:13 AM11/13/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:04, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

>
>>> How about Aragorns FALSE claims about European history he made so he
>>> could justify his America Bashing?
>>
>> You mean your own inability and unwillingness to correctly interpret what
>> someone else - in this case, myself - has worded less adequately than he
>> intended?
>
> Just how was I to interpret:
>
> "I don't recall us traveling all the way to Africa to kidnap some people
> there, take them back to our homelands, rape their wives and whip the skin
> off their backs to get them to work for us in cotton plantations, or even
> killing them for no reason other than sadism, just because it was legal to
> do so."

I did mean "in the fairly recent past", as in "the last few centuries". I
was certainly not thinking back to the Middle Ages.

> As Europeans traveled to Africa to kidnap Africans, took them back to
> Europe to keep them as slaves, or took them to their colonial possessions
> to rape their wives, whip the skin and work in the European Colonial
> cotton plantations?

Yeah, yeah, see above. Besides, if you wish to blame Europe for what
happened in the USA before the USA _became_ the USA, then you must also
blame yourself, because you are almost without any doubt a descendant from
those very Europeans, while I - and Chris Hunter for that matter - am a
descendant of the Europeans that chose _not_ to seek their fortune on a new
continent.

> Your claims that I am misinterpreting you simple do not meet with the
> FACTS.

But of course they do. Misinterpreting and twisting things around is your
trademark, and this whole newsgroup knows it.

> You know, you claimed to have some medical condition that some how
> drove you to be accurate, articulate... What was that again? Was it
> Munchausen Syndrome?

Funny, dude, you're cracking me up. That would rather be _your_ affliction.
You know, the main difference between Alan Connor and yourself is that Alan
only has periodic outbursts, while you're just sitting and waiting for the
opportunity to have one.

Aragorn

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Nov 13, 2006, 1:13:02 AM11/13/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 03:15, Bit Twister stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:57:48 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

I would if I even knew myself... :-/ Let me see what my /KNode/
configuration panel says... Aha! Found it!

"Settings" menu
-> "Configure KNode" menu option
-> "Reading News" menu folder
-> "Viewer" subfolder

There's a checkbox there labeled "Interpret text format tags", right above
the box in which you can enter characters which it must recognize as
quoting prefixes.

At least, this is in /KNode/ 0.7.6, part of KDE 3.2, which came with
Mandrake 10.0. So your mileage may vary a little... ;-)

Aragorn

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Nov 13, 2006, 1:18:29 AM11/13/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 18:34, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

Is it custom where you live to accuse people of lying because of a little
lie they told when they were three years old?

Which part of "by the time that slavery existed in the USA, slavery did not
exist anymore in Europe" is it that you find so hard to understand? And
that *is* what I meant. I was _not_ thinking back to the Middle Ages or
even earlier.

*Yes,* Europe has known slavery. *No,* this slavery did not exist anymore
over hereby the time the US was an independent nation. Just like *we* will
not now in the twenty-first century invade foreign sovereign nations, while
the US does.

And don't give me Blair. The guy is not our Prime Minister, he's the
British Prime Minister, and he's only in Iraq because he wanted to be with
his buddy George. He would never have gone in on his own. He wouldn't
even have had the guts to do that.

Aragorn

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Nov 13, 2006, 1:21:03 AM11/13/06

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On Sunday 12 November 2006 18:32, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Moe Trin wrote:

So Bit Twister and I are trolls. Now *that* must be the absolute Joke Of
The Year! <ROFL> Give the man a trophy, folks! <LOLOLOL>

Bit Twister

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Nov 13, 2006, 10:48:24 AM11/13/06

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:13:02 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
> I would if I even knew myself... :-/ Let me see what my /KNode/
> configuration panel says... Aha! Found it!
>
> "Settings" menu
> -> "Configure KNode" menu option
> -> "Reading News" menu folder
> -> "Viewer" subfolder
>
> There's a checkbox there labeled "Interpret text format tags", right above
> the box in which you can enter characters which it must recognize as
> quoting prefixes.

Thanks for your time. I have been there twice and it is not there.
There are only 4 selections under Apperence box under the Viewer tab.
All were checked with Show Reference Bar being the option above the
Recognized quote characters box.

Chris Hunter

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Nov 13, 2006, 2:08:36 PM11/13/06

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Aragorn wrote:

> And don't give me Blair. The guy is not our Prime Minister, he's the
> British Prime Minister, and he's only in Iraq because he wanted to be with
> his buddy George. He would never have gone in on his own. He wouldn't
> even have had the guts to do that.

Please, don't give me Blair either! The man is the living definition of
"charlatan", and has been thoroughly "bought" by Bush (and his playmates),
and will have a /lot/ to answer to when the reckoning arrives (which is
just starting BTW).

Chris

Chris Hunter

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Nov 13, 2006, 2:16:33 PM11/13/06

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Aragorn wrote:

> So Bit Twister and I are trolls. Now *that* must be the absolute Joke Of
> The Year! <ROFL> Give the man a trophy, folks! <LOLOLOL>

My experience on this group is that the two of you are probably the most
helpful (and knowledgeable) around, and have provided more useful solutions
to Mandriva-related problems than everyone else put together!

Chris

Aragorn

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Nov 13, 2006, 4:29:24 PM11/13/06

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On Monday 13 November 2006 20:16, Chris Hunter stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

Hmm... I wouldn't go _that_ far! ;-) There are certainly loads of other
very productive and helpful posters on both Mandr* groups than just Bit
Twister and myself. ;-) And if I score better in the stats than Bit
Twister, then it's only because I'm such an elaborate writer - which is by
the way what I myself mean when I call myself "articulate".

But all things aside, the statement that Bit Twister and I would be trolls
must be about the most obvious and irrefutable evidence that Matt is a
severely delusional and psychotic person with a - towards his fellow human
beings - very painfully warped manifestation of reality, which urgently
needs rectification through adequate pharmaceutical and psychiatric help.

I don't know whether it would make him less of a jerk, but it would
certainly make him more tolerant towards us, and more tolerable as a Usenet
poster.

<grin>

left_coast

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Nov 15, 2006, 3:12:10 AM11/15/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> Heah, then they could kill file people that tell lies about test posts,
>> Killfile trolls that make troll posts claiming that Europeans never
>> kidnapped Afrinans into spread Anti-American propaganda throughout the
>> news groups.
>
> So Bit Twister and I are trolls.

If the shoe fits...

> Now that must be the absolute Joke Of

The JOKE is you trying to make false claims about slavery then, rather than
admit your error and apologize for accusing me of not reading, you say you
mis-phrased it and that I should have tried to understand that you meant
something other than Europeans did not kidnap Africans.

> The Year! <ROFL> Give the man a trophy, folks! <LOLOLOL>
>

Sorry, I don't have any troll of the year trophies to give you.

left_coast

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Nov 15, 2006, 3:24:00 AM11/15/06

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Aragorn wrote:

> But all things aside, the statement that Bit Twister and I would be trolls
> must be about the most obvious and irrefutable evidence that Matt is a
> severely delusional and psychotic person with a

Calling ME Psychotic? Let's see, you make false claims about Europeans not
going to Africa to kidnap slaves. I corrected your misinformation. Rather
than admit your error, you accuse me of not reading your post. I stood my
ground and corrected you again. Rather than admit your error, you said you
mis-phrased your slavery posts and that I should try to understand you. You
have yet to say how you miss-phrased the following from Message ID:
<N4R4h.176214$mD3.2...@phobos.telenet-ops.be>

"What I meant - and what I thought you would have understood, albeit that
you're being deliberately obtuse again and I should have foreseen that - is
that Europeans *in* *Europe* did not go abroad to harvest slaves by
kidnapping them."

Just how is that mis-worded? Just how am I being "obtuse" when I am, in fact
CORRECT? You simply can not admit you are wrong so you are calling me
psychotic, as you accused me of being obtuse above. Both accusations are
false. The delusional one is the one that thinks a person that is factually
accurate is being "obtuse". But insults from you are to be expected.

alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats

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Nov 17, 2006, 4:00:10 PM11/17/06

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============================================================================
Analysis of posts to alt.os.linux.mandrake by Robert Marshall
============================================================================
(stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)

Total posts considered: 477 over 7 days
Earliest article: Fri Nov 10 21:25:07 2006
Latest article: Fri Nov 17 20:25:03 2006
Original articles: 33, replies: 444
Total size of posts: 1,396,273 bytes (1,363K) (1.33M)
Average 68 articles per day, 0.19 MB per day, 2,927 bytes per article
Total headers: 740 KB bodies: 622 KB
Body text - quoted: 227 KB, original: 374 KB = 62.19%, sigs: 20 KB
Total number of posters: 77, average 18,133 bytes per poster
Total number of threads: 47, average 29,707 bytes per thread
Total number of User-Agents: 31

============================================================================

Robert Marshall

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Nov 17, 2006, 6:08:51 PM11/17/06

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, alt os.linux mandrake Stats wrote:

> ============================================================================
> Top 10 cross-posted groups
> ============================================================================
> 1: alt.os.linux.suse.............................................. : 53
> 2: alt.os.linux................................................... : 34
> 3: soc.culture.singapore.......................................... : 33
> 4: soc.culture.malaysia........................................... : 30
> 5: alt.os.linux.mandriva.......................................... : 15
> 6: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general............................. : 5
> 7: 24hoursupport.helpdesk......................................... : 5
> 8: soc.culture.british............................................ : 4
> 9: uk.people.support.depression................................... : 3
> 10: soc.culture.thai............................................... : 3

Says it all really....

Robert
--
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Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

Dan C

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Nov 17, 2006, 9:55:34 PM11/17/06

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:00:10 +0000, alt.os.linux.mandrake wrote:

> ============================================================================
> Top 20 posters by number of articles
> ============================================================================
> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 126
> 2: Aragorn <str...@telenet.invalid>.............................. : 105
> 3: home....@virgin.net.......................................... : 26

What fun! A complete Kook, an anal Aspie, and a moronic Troll at 1,2,3.

> ============================================================================
> Top 20 posters by article size in Kbytes
> ============================================================================
> 1: Aragorn <str...@telenet.invalid>.............................. : 363
> 2: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... : 326
> 3: home....@virgin.net.......................................... : 109

Pathetic wasters of bandwidth, to boot.

--
"Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Aragorn

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Nov 17, 2006, 11:18:39 PM11/17/06

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On Saturday 18 November 2006 03:55, Dan C stood up and addressed the masses
in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:00:10 +0000, alt.os.linux.mandrake wrote:

>
>>
============================================================================
>> Top 20 posters by number of articles
>>
============================================================================
>> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... :
>> 126
>> 2: Aragorn <str...@telenet.invalid>.............................. :
>> 105
>> 3: home....@virgin.net.......................................... :
>> 26
>
> What fun! A complete Kook, an anal Aspie, and a moronic Troll at 1,2,3.

Yeah, schoolyard bullies with fascist convictions don't score that high yet.

If you have me in your /killfile/ like you say you do, then being honorable
would also include not making such netkook statements about people when
they don't have the chance to defend themselves anymore.

In other words, you're a coward. But that's typical for bullies, I guess.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 11:26:09 AM11/21/06

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Dave wrote:

> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... :
> 69
>

Let's not forget that YOU and Aragorn were among people trolling as well.
You refused to deal with the fact that I said nothing but ACCURATE
information about Slavery yet you ATTACKED. At the same time, Aragorn was
making totally FALSE claims about European slavery and you said NOTHING.
Aragorn jumped right in and started insulting without any justification. My
posts were only in response to people that attacked or clearly did not know
what they were talking about.

Do come back when your school has taught you that relative words
like "better" and "worse" are just that, RELATIVE. When you learn
that "better" does not mean "free of guilt" and "worse" does not mean "the
only guilty party".

Christopher Hunter

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Nov 21, 2006, 12:46:13 PM11/21/06

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left_coast wrote:

> Aragorn jumped right in and started insulting without any justification.
> My posts were only in response to people that attacked or clearly did not
> know what they were talking about.

*No.* Aragorn told you that you are wrong and being unpleasant. /That/ was
his mistake. You are omniscient - you told us all so! /You/ have /never/
contributed /anything/ positive to this newsgroup, so we *all* want rid of
you. You've made your way into a huge number of killfiles, and you'll soon
join mine, which *you* will see as a *"victory"*

Why don't you go and join a few advocacy groups - they're _full_ of trolls,
so you'd be right at home.

C.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 3:03:41 PM11/21/06

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Christopher Hunter wrote:

>> Aragorn jumped right in and started insulting without any justification.
>> My posts were only in response to people that attacked or clearly did not
>> know what they were talking about.
>
> *No.* Aragorn told you that you are wrong and being unpleasant.

Both of which were NOT TRUE. My point stands.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 3:08:29 PM11/21/06

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Christopher Hunter wrote:

> You have never
> contributed anything positive to this newsgroup,

Ah, MORE false claims. My explaining that test posts do not fail just
because they did not go to test groups IS positive. It is the people that
tell the lie that test posts going to groups they are intended to go to are
failures that are contribution negative stuff to the group.

It is people that babble insults the way you have that are contribution
negative crap to the group.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 3:10:24 PM11/21/06

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Christopher Hunter wrote:

> You've made your way into a huge number of killfiles, and you'll soon

> join mine, which you will see as a *"victory"*
>

Hey, being in the killfile of trolls is not problem for me. I will gladly
suffer being in your killfile rather than give up telling the TRUTH.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 4:45:25 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

> Which part of "by the time that slavery existed in the USA, slavery did
> not exist anymore in Europe" is it that you find so hard to understand?

> And that is what I meant. I was not thinking back to the Middle Ages or
> even earlier.
>

All of it, since slavery did exist in Europe during the time slavery existed
in the USA.

http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/slave_routes/slave_routes_portugal.shtml

This makes it quite clear that Portugal was importing slaves FROM Africa to
Europe from well before the land that USA would become was invaded by
Europeans until AFTER the USA ended slavery. So, Europe had slavery BEFORE,
DURING AND AFTER the time the USA had slaves.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 4:47:30 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> "I don't recall us traveling all the way to Africa to kidnap some people
>> there, take them back to our homelands, rape their wives and whip the
>> skin off their backs to get them to work for us in cotton plantations, or
>> even killing them for no reason other than sadism, just because it was
>> legal to do so."
>
> I did mean "in the fairly recent past", as in "the last few centuries". I
> was certainly not thinking back to the Middle Ages.
>

Well, as I have pointed out, Slavery existed in Europe AFTER the USA
eliminated slavery. Please, do get your facts straight.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:08:52 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 22:47, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

I do not need to "get my facts straight" because I acknowledge that slavery
existed in Europe after the USA had abandoned - not "eliminated", please! -
slavery, *but* I stand with the case that this slavery only existed in
isolated regions of Europe, more specifically in Nazi-Germany.

_Note:_ We do not consider the former Soviet Union to have been part of
Europe, although some of its member states were East-European countries.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:13:53 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 22:45, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

This would still have been on a much smaller scale, because if that wasn't
the case, then there would have been as many colored people all over Europe
as there are now in North America, and that is evidently not the case.

And by the way, do you know the size of Portugal on the map? It is only a
small strip on the west coast of the Spanish peninsula.

Either way, the *biggest* mistake you are making is confusing the USA - i.e.
a single nation covering most of the North American continent - with Europe
- i.e. a continent with several distinctly different smaller nations on it.

It's comparing apples to lemons. You can't do that. It's pointless.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:21:48 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>>> Which part of "by the time that slavery existed in the USA, slavery did
>>> not exist anymore in Europe" is it that you find so hard to understand?
>>> And that is what I meant. I was not thinking back to the Middle Ages or
>>> even earlier.
>>
>> All of it, since slavery did exist in Europe during the time slavery
>> existed in the USA.
>>
>>
>
http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/slave_routes/slave_routes_portugal.shtml
>>
>> This makes it quite clear that Portugal was importing slaves FROM Africa
>> to Europe from well before the land that USA would become was invaded by
>> Europeans until AFTER the USA ended slavery. So, Europe had slavery
>> BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER the time the USA had slaves.
>
> This would still have been on a much smaller scale, because if that wasn't
> the case, then there would have been as many colored people all over
> Europe as there are now in North America, and that is evidently not the
> case.

It shows that your claim that Slavery did not exist after the Middle ages is
FALSE. Why can't you just admit you are WRONG. When you consider ALL of the
slavery in ALL the European Imperial held lands, the European Imperial
governments are responsible for far more slavery than the USA.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:22:47 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 17:26, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Dave wrote:

>
>> 1: left_coast <vo...@void.not>..................................... :
>> 69
>>
>
> Let's not forget that YOU and Aragorn were among people trolling as well.
> You refused to deal with the fact that I said nothing but ACCURATE
> information about Slavery yet you ATTACKED.

Your /accurate/ information was at the same time shrouded heavily in
American supremacist propaganda, and that's where you went wrong.

> At the same time, Aragorn was making totally FALSE claims about European

> slavery [...

No, he wasn't. Aragorn was simply expressing himself poorly, and loathing
him the way you do - don't try and hide it, okay? - you seized that
opportunity to willfully enforce your own misunderstanding of what he meant
so as to make him seem wrong.

And Aragorn is now speaking in third person of himself because Aragorn would
very much like that you would discuss, not argue but discuss, this matter
with him, instead of talking to other people just about how bad he is while
he's right there to talk to.

> ...] and you said NOTHING.

Perhaps he understood me for what I said, while you didn't?

> Aragorn jumped right in and started insulting without any justification.

My justification was that you were (a) bullying Bit Twister again over your
own inability to understand the irony in what he usually writes in reply to
test posts ending up here, and (b) your unwarranted attacks on Europeans.

In both cases, *you* initiated the conflict, and I stepped in to the defense
of those you were targetting.

> My posts were only in response to people that attacked or clearly did not
> know what they were talking about.

No, they were not.

> Do come back when your school has taught you that relative words
> like "better" and "worse" are just that, RELATIVE. When you learn
> that "better" does not mean "free of guilt" and "worse" does not mean "the
> only guilty party".

By the same token, not understanding something does not mean that you have
to condemn it either, and if you ever do realize that, then perhaps you'll
refrain from attacking people and being counterattacked over it.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:33:48 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> Well, as I have pointed out, Slavery existed in Europe AFTER the USA
>> eliminated slavery. Please, do get your facts straight.
>
> I do not need to "get my facts straight" because I acknowledge that
> slavery existed in Europe after the USA had abandoned - not "eliminated",

You are right, the USA did NOT eliminate slavery, slavery continued in
Europe AFTER the USA abandoned slavery:

http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/slave_routes/slave_routes_portugal.shtml

> please! - slavery, but I stand with the case that this slavery only

> existed in isolated regions of Europe, more specifically in Nazi-Germany.
>

Wrong again, Yes Nazi-German was indeed the LAST example, but in the link I
had posted BEFORE,

http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/slave_routes/slave_routes_portugal.shtml

Slavery existed in PORTUGAL for longer than in the USA. During the time that
Portugal kidnapped slaves from African, they also exported them to Spain
and Italy. Later Portugal, EUROPEANS exported slaves to BRAZIL. European
imperialists maintained the institution of slavery in Brazil (AND IN
EUROPE) until after slavery was abandon in the United States.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:38:31 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> Let's not forget that YOU and Aragorn were among people trolling as well.
>> You refused to deal with the fact that I said nothing but ACCURATE
>> information about Slavery yet you ATTACKED.
>

> Your accurate information was at the same time shrouded heavily in

> American supremacist propaganda, and that's where you went wrong.
>

You mean like "slavery did not exist in Europe after the Middle ages"? Oh,
wait that was YOUR claim based on the heavily propagandized version of
histor fed to you by European supremacist.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:42:17 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> At the same time, Aragorn was making totally FALSE claims about European
>> slavery [...
>
> No, he wasn't. Aragorn was simply expressing himself poorly, and loathing
> him the way you do - don't try and hide it, okay? - you seized that
> opportunity to willfully enforce your own misunderstanding of what he
> meant so as to make him seem wrong.
>

You made FACTUAL ERRORS, not expressing your self poorly. Can't you even
take the most MINIMAL responsibility for your actions?

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:46:10 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 21:08, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Christopher Hunter wrote:

>
>> You have never contributed anything positive to this newsgroup,
>
> Ah, MORE false claims.

Factually, you have indeed offered advice to a few people in the past, and
every so often you will indeed still offer advice. Statistically however,
any such advice does not outweigh the immense contribution of noise to the
signal that you've made and that you're still making.

So if Chris's statement is not to be taken literally - and it isn't! - then
he's correct: your only _real_ contribution to this newsgroup - as in "a
contribution that counts - is your ability to elicit flamewars.

Sad but true.

> My explaining that test posts do not fail just because they did not go to
> test groups IS positive.

Okay, I will humor you on this one last time, so please do pay attention...
What you say hereabove is *correct,* *_but_* it is also false at the same
time...

You see, _literally_ one could interpret such a test post as if it really
*is* intended to go to a test group - after all, that is what those test
groups are there for. And thus, if the test post did not go to the test
group, it has failed.

On the other hand - and this is where you yourself are correct - the post
did not fail because it did indeed reach Usenet, and people could reply to
it.

Two aspects of the same concept - the concept being "a test post being sent
by a poster" - which are both correct, eventhough they are contradictory -
as one says the test failed and the other says the test was successfull.
However, they *are* _separate_ aspects to the same test post.

An aphorism for clarification... Imagine that you, living on the US West
coast decide that you want to get on an airplane and fly to the East coast
so you can kick Dan C in the butt - hey, let's make this humorous, shall
we? ;-) - and at the same time, George W. Bush gets on Airforce One and
wants to fly all the way down to Venezuela.

Now, if the timing is exactly right, your plane will collide with George
Bush's plane. Right? No, wrong, because East-West and North-South are
only two-dimensional coordinates. There is however a third coordinate to
be taken into account, being the elevation from the sealevel.

So while the timing is exactly right to make your plane and AF One collide,
they still won't, because one plane's pilot will decide to climb to a
higher altitude, and possibly the other plane's pilot will drop to a lower
altitude. No collision.

Similarly, your claim that the test post did not fail is correct, and Bit
Twister's claim that the test post failed - which he did not mean literally
but rather in a form of irony - was also correct, since they pertain to
different aspects. The different altitudes of the planes. Got it?

> It is the people that tell the lie that test posts going to groups they
> are intended to go to are failures that are contribution negative stuff to
> the group.

In addition, Matt, while you define "telling a lie" after the literal
dictionary meaning "to say something that is not true" (regardless of
intent), the words "telling a lie" do *in* *real* *life* hold quite a
different meaning, because in *real* life, "telling a lie" is interpreted
by *_everyone_* as "intentionally being deceptive".

In other words, when you are calling Bit Twister a liar over his use of
irony - and even then, given the allegory of the two airplanes above, he is
not incorrect in what he says, plus that he did write it as a form of irony
- you may think that you are not insulting him, but you *are* in fact
insulting him.

If you call someone a liar, then you are not just saying "You are saying
something that is not true" but you are saying "You are deliberately saying
something that is not true". And thus, you are accusing that other person
of something he is not guilty of, which _is_ an insult.

But then again, like I said, what Bit Twister wrote was just as true as what
you claim about the test post, because both of you are looking at the
success or failure of a test post from different angles.

And on top of that, Bit Twister's use of irony clearly illustrates that his
intentions were good and that attributing him with guilt is definitely
unwarranted and incorrect. And so by calling Bit Twister a liar, you are
"telling something that is not true" yourself, and insulting the man in the
process.

See where this all comes from and where this all leads to? I really do not
know how I can express or explain this all any better to you than I now
have.

> It is people that babble insults the way you have that are contribution
> negative crap to the group.

That would be the traditional "pot, kettle, black" statement, I'm afraid...

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 5:50:50 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> Ah, MORE false claims.
>
> Factually, you have indeed offered advice to a few people in the past, and
> every so often you will indeed still offer advice. Statistically however,
> any such advice does not outweigh the immense contribution of noise to the
> signal that you've made and that you're still making.
>

Statistically, I spend most of my time defending myself from your attacks
and correcting your MISS INFORMATION. If you stopped your unjust attacks on
me, stop posting false information, and stop spewing the anti-American
propaganda about European involvement (or lack of) in slavery, the
kidnapping of slaves and the exporting of slaves and the institution of
slavery.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:27:10 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 23:38, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

>
>>> Let's not forget that YOU and Aragorn were among people trolling as
>>> well. You refused to deal with the fact that I said nothing but ACCURATE
>>> information about Slavery yet you ATTACKED.
>>
>> Your accurate information was at the same time shrouded heavily in
>> American supremacist propaganda, and that's where you went wrong.
>>
>
> You mean like "slavery did not exist in Europe after the Middle ages"?

Not on a large scale, it didn't. Isolated incidents do not account for the
whole of Europe, and since you are looking at Europe as a whole rather than
as just a continent where individual nations are situated, it would be
incorrect to use this argument.

> Oh, wait that was YOUR claim based on the heavily propagandized version of
> histor fed to you by European supremacist.

Our history classes are certainly not propagandized, and neither are our
television news broadcasts. We do not need any propaganda, and it is a
trait of modern-day Europeans to look at things from a neutral perspective.
After all, we learned that this is the best option anyone has for dealing
with whatever problems may arise, and with the best possible outcome for
all.

Unfortunately, not all of the world's nations share this vantage, and I
regret to have to say this before the good American people on this
newsgroup, but the United States are definitely not a nation who think of
"the best for everyone".

Not out of malice perhaps, but it's rather that the US usually thinks that
what's best for the US will also automatically be best for the rest of the
world. I believe that a wise man once said "The road to Hell is paved with
good intentions", and sadly enough, this is very true.

Lastly, there are no European supremacists, other than neo-Nazis. They
believe in the supremacy of the Aryan race - as spoken of before: Caucasion
complexion, blonde hair, blue eyes. However, this kind of supremacists is
not confined to Europe alone.

There are identical tendencies all over the world, from the Russian
Federation to the United States. In fact, your Ku Klux Klan - which still
exists today - shares that same supremacy idiom - and there are a few
characters on /comp.os.linux.advocacy/ who still clearly speak the tongue
of the KKK - just as there are real neo-Nazis in the USA - ever seen the
movie "American History X"?

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:34:04 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 23:21, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> This would still have been on a much smaller scale, because if that
>> wasn't the case, then there would have been as many colored people all
>> over Europe as there are now in North America, and that is evidently not
>> the case.
>
> It shows that your claim that Slavery did not exist after the Middle ages
> is FALSE. Why can't you just admit you are WRONG. When you consider ALL of
> the slavery in ALL the European Imperial held lands, the European Imperial
> governments are responsible for far more slavery than the USA.

The contents of this entire paragraph of yours here in contrast to the
contents of that paragraph of mine show that it's not about historic facts
but about your personal vendetta with me.

And then you say that *we* are the ones one cannot reason with?

Dave

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:33:23 PM11/21/06

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:27:10 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your
killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.

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left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:40:38 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> You mean like "slavery did not exist in Europe after the Middle ages"?
>
> Not on a large scale, it didn't.

That was NOT your claim. Since you claimed there was NO slavery in Europe
after the middle ages AND you claimed that no European left Europe to
kidnap slaves, BOTH being false claims about slavery, you will forgive me
if I don't believe your claims about the scale of European slavery without
documented evidence. The link I posted shows that Portugal wanted to try to
dominate the slave trade and exported slaves to other European countries.

http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/slave_routes/slave_routes_portugal.shtml

But hey, why would YOU be bothered with FACTS, right?

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:46:00 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> It shows that your claim that Slavery did not exist after the Middle ages
>> is FALSE. Why can't you just admit you are WRONG. When you consider ALL
>> of the slavery in ALL the European Imperial held lands, the European
>> Imperial governments are responsible for far more slavery than the USA.
>
> The contents of this entire paragraph of yours here in contrast to the
> contents of that paragraph of mine show that it's not about historic facts
> but about your personal vendetta with me.

No, it states CORRECTLY that you made FALSE CLAIMS.

>
> And then you say that we are the ones one cannot reason with?
>

Me? I provided documented evidence that you made false claims and you claim
that *I* can not be reasoned with?

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:48:50 PM11/21/06

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Dave wrote:

> C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your
> killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.
>

I love it, you attack ME over my claims of the relative scale of slavery in
the USA, but when Aragorn claims that the slavery in Europe was on a small
scale, you do not do the same to HIM. How hypocritical of you. You INSISTED
that slavery was wrong no matter what the scale to ME, but refuse to do it
to Aragorn, that is PROOF that you are not interested in the TRUTH, only
bashing ME.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:51:01 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 23:50, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

>
>>> Ah, MORE false claims.
>>
>> Factually, you have indeed offered advice to a few people in the past,
>> and every so often you will indeed still offer advice. Statistically
>> however, any such advice does not outweigh the immense contribution of
>> noise to the signal that you've made and that you're still making.
>
> Statistically, I spend most of my time defending myself from your attacks
> and correcting your MISS INFORMATION.

And now, you are "telling a lie", because what you say here is not true. If
it _were_ true, then at the very least I would be the one who scores at the
top of the statistics of this group, while the numbers clearly state
otherwise.

Also, as I wrote in what you snipped out - and unfortunately I have to
presume that you snipped it out without having read it, which should then
also be considered as evidence of ill will - my "misinformation" is not
misinformation at all, but you are simply looking at things from a
semantics angle rather than from the cultural meaning of what is
interpreted these days as "lying" or "wrong" versus "telling the truth" and
"correct".

> If you stopped your unjust attacks on me, stop posting false information,
> and stop spewing the anti-American propaganda about European involvement
> (or lack of) in slavery, the kidnapping of slaves and the exporting of
> slaves and the institution of slavery.

... Then what? Your sentence is not grammatically correct, because it
states only a condition, but not what it is a condition to. And this from
a person who hides behind semantics?

Either way, my attacks on you were not unjust since they were conducted only
to the defense of Bit Twister and further down the timeline to your attacks
on Chris Hunter - attacks in which *you* spewed *anti-European* propaganda.

The issue about slavery is not about whether I was wrong or not, but about
your absolutely steady resolve to keep on using and recycling that which I
have poorly worded about slavery as a nonsensical argument for continued
attacks *on* *me* - and yes, it was not I who attacked you but you who
attacked me and _continued_ to attacked me, and _still_ _continue_ to
attack me, over and over and over again all over this thread, even when
you're not directly addressing me.

So I guess you *did* give us all evidence now that you are indeed
_ill-willed_ and that none of my explaining - no matter how valid, logical
and serene it was - had any impact on you at all.

In fact, you've just snipped it from your reply, and I'm quite partial to
thinking that you haven't even bothered to reading it. And if this is
true, then you have delivered proof that one can indeed not reason with
you.

Hatred before everything else, right, Matt? Sad, dude, very sad...

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 6:55:39 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

> Statistically, I spend most of my time defending myself from your attacks
>> and correcting your MISS INFORMATION.
>
> And now, you are "telling a lie", because what you say here is not true.

> If it were true, then at the very least I would be the one who scores at

> the top of the statistics of this group, while the numbers clearly state
> otherwise.

That is NUMBER of posts, my claim was about "TIME". I spend more time on
fewer posts that I compose to YOU because I research and get links to back
up my TRUTHFUL claims. This takes more time per-post Sorry, but your logic
is, as usual, FLAWED. Can't you get ANYTHING right?

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:02:18 PM11/21/06

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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 00:33, Dave stood up and addressed the masses
in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your

> killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.

Well, in my patience, I have given Matt one last chance of seeing for
himself that all of this simply stems from a misunderstanding (on his part)
of Bit Twister and myself.

I am trying to be reasonable. No insults, no blame. Pure reason and logic,
illustrated with aphorisms where need be. I don't think any teacher would
be so patient as I am.

It is therefore now up to Matt to either *read* what I have written *in*
*serenity* and contemplate all of it, or to continue on his Geodesic Of
Destruction.

I *am* indeed partial to thinking along your lines, and to expecting the
worst, but I am also for good measure and out of fairplay giving him this
one last chance.

If he fails, I will either /plonk/ him or just ignore anything he posts to
the thread from that stage on, and at any time in the future from then on -
by which I also mean those branches of the thread that have since then been
abandoned but to which he could still post a follow-up - but if he does
prove himself to be reasonable, then there is hope for us all that peace
will return to this group.

It is a naive assumption, I know. And I do have a reputation of being naive
- not that I consider /naivité/ a bad quality, because in my book it's only
a manifestation of innocence - but honesty and my honor compell me to give
him this last chance. I am sober enough not to get my hopes up too high,
given Matt's track record, but as long as there's a little hope, one should
seize it, and that goes for everything in life. ;-)

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:09:12 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your
>> killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.
>
> Well, in my patience, I have given Matt one last chance of seeing for
> himself that all of this simply stems from a misunderstanding (on his
> part) of Bit Twister and myself.
>

Come on, you're talking with a guy that went off on me because he thought I
was minimizing the issue of slavery but does not go off on YOU when you do
exactly the same. Dan claimed that Slavery, no matter what the scale, is
WRONG when talking to ME, but not to YOU. He clearly is not interested in
the truth... Come to think of it, I can see why you would get buddy, buddy
with him.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:12:09 PM11/21/06

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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 00:55, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

>
>> Statistically, I spend most of my time defending myself from your
>> attacks
>>> and correcting your MISS INFORMATION.
>>
>> And now, you are "telling a lie", because what you say here is not true.
>> If it were true, then at the very least I would be the one who scores at
>> the top of the statistics of this group, while the numbers clearly state
>> otherwise.
>
> That is NUMBER of posts, my claim was about "TIME". I spend more time on
> fewer posts that I compose to YOU because I research and get links to back
> up my TRUTHFUL claims.

And I on my part spend far more time putting energy in typing serene replies
to you than you do in sending off replies to me, which manifests itself in
you posting one, two, three, four and at one occasion even six replies to a
single post of mine. And in all of those replies, you then repeat yourself
from previous replies, which is basically a waste of your own time.

It's like what the Nazis published with regard to Einstein - remember my
mentioning that? "100 Scientists Against Einstein", to which Albert
Einstein replied "Why a hundred? If I were wrong, then only one would have
been enough."

Same thing with you, Matt. If I really were the monster which you seem to
think I am and which you are trying so hard to depict me as, then only one
post from you would have sufficed. Not two, three, four, six or ten. No,
only one, and one only.

As for doing research, that means that you yourself don't know what you're
talking about and you are then looking things up to substantiate any
rebuttal to what I am saying.

> This takes more time per-post

The numbers clearly prove you wrong on this one. I can write any reply to
you, and by the time my newsreader sends it off to Usenet, there are
already three or four replies from you waiting. You post a lot faster than
I can write, and that totally contradicts your claim.

> Sorry, but your logic is, as usual, FLAWED. Can't you get ANYTHING right?

Totally nonsensical, given what I've written higher up, and sneering in
addition, instead of trying to be serene. Don't you understand that
nothing will get resolved in anger and venom? Or are you enjoying this
anger and hostility so much?

Boy, you must really *hate* us all with a passion... :-/

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:12:08 PM11/21/06

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left_coast wrote:

> Dan

That should be Dave.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:15:10 PM11/21/06

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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 00:48, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Dave wrote:

>
>> C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your
>> killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.
>
> I love it, you attack ME over my claims of the relative scale of slavery
> in the USA, but when Aragorn claims that the slavery in Europe was on a
> small scale, you do not do the same to HIM. How hypocritical of you.

No, how *blindly* *stupid* of you, since you are now replying to *Dave,* who
lives in the UK, while that which you attribute to him was written by
*David,* an American citizen.

Furthermore, *Dave* (from the UK) has already had you in his /killfile/ for
ages, so he can't even reply to you since he doesn't get to see your posts.

I think this is a good illustration of the expression "blinded by rage"...

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:15:13 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> That is NUMBER of posts, my claim was about "TIME". I spend more time on
>> fewer posts that I compose to YOU because I research and get links to
>> back up my TRUTHFUL claims.
>
> And I on my part spend far more time putting energy in typing serene
> replies to you than you do in sending off replies to me, which manifests
> itself in you posting one, two, three, four and at one occasion even six
> replies to a single post of mine. And in all of those replies, you then
> repeat yourself from previous replies, which is basically a waste of your
> own time.

Dude, you made in invalid claim, why can't you just ADMIT your error? I
don't read most of your crud because you make INVALID or FALSE claims way
to often to take anything you say seriously.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:17:43 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> I love it, you attack ME over my claims of the relative scale of slavery
>> in the USA, but when Aragorn claims that the slavery in Europe was on a
>> small scale, you do not do the same to HIM. How hypocritical of you.
>

> No, how blindly stupid of you,

So much for any claim that you are not insulting me.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:18:52 PM11/21/06

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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 01:09, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

>
>>> C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your
>>> killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.
>>
>> Well, in my patience, I have given Matt one last chance of seeing for
>> himself that all of this simply stems from a misunderstanding (on his
>> part) of Bit Twister and myself.
>>
>
> Come on, you're talking with a guy that went off on me because he thought
> I was minimizing the issue of slavery but does not go off on YOU when you
> do exactly the same.

Nope, look again. *Dave* lives in the UK and has you /killfiled./ */David*
lives in the USA and was the one who discussed that matter with you.

> Dan claimed that Slavery,

... and *Dan* is to my knowledge Dan C, who has us both in his /killfile,/
so he won't be reading any of this either.

> no matter what the scale, is WRONG when talking to ME, but not to YOU. He
> clearly is not interested in the truth...

See higher up in this reply.

> Come to think of it, I can see why you would get buddy,
> buddy with him.

See higher up in this reply. You are confusing three different posters.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:19:29 PM11/21/06

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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 01:12, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> left_coast wrote:

>
>> Dan
>
> That should be Dave.

Still incorrect. *David* != *Dave*

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:20:50 PM11/21/06

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Dave wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:27:10 GMT, Aragorn wrote:
>
> C'mon... do the sensible thing... just sling the fuckwit into your
> killfile. You'll not win against its stupidity and blinkered views.
>

My apologies, I mistook you for someone else when falsely claiming you made
statements you did not make.

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:21:23 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> Come on, you're talking with a guy that went off on me because he thought
>> I was minimizing the issue of slavery but does not go off on YOU when you
>> do exactly the same.
>

> Nope, look again. Dave lives in the UK and has you /killfiled./ */David*

> lives in the USA and was the one who discussed that matter with you.
>

Ands I sent an apology for the error. You do know what an APOLOGY is, right?

left_coast

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:22:27 PM11/21/06

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Aragorn wrote:

>> That should be Dave.
>
> Still incorrect. David != Dave

Apology already sent.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:23:48 PM11/21/06

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On Wednesday 22 November 2006 00:40, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:

>
>>> You mean like "slavery did not exist in Europe after the Middle ages"?
>>
>> Not on a large scale, it didn't.
>
> That was NOT your claim. Since you claimed there was NO slavery in Europe
> after the middle ages AND you claimed that no European left Europe to
> kidnap slaves,

... Recently...

> BOTH being false claims about slavery, you will forgive me if I don't
> believe your claims about the scale of European slavery without
> documented evidence.

Why would you need documented evidence if you already know it all so much
better than I or anyone else, as you claim?

> The link I posted shows that Portugal wanted to try to dominate the slave
> trade and exported slaves to other European countries.

Portugal makes up for about one sixth of the Hispanic Peninsula. On the map
of Europe, it's practically invisible.

> But hey, why would YOU be bothered with FACTS, right?

Just because it is a fact doesn't mean that it's important enough on a large
scale, and the large scale approach is what you were aiming for. If you
compare that to the slavery in the entire Southern half of the United
States, then you'll see that the number of slaves, the number of
slaveholders and the number of square kilometers/miles is much bigger.

Aragorn

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:24:31 PM11/21/06

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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 23:42, left_coast stood up and addressed the

masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> No, he wasn't. Aragorn was simply expressing himself poorly, and
>> loathing him the way you do - don't try and hide it, okay? - you seized
>> that opportunity to willfully enforce your own misunderstanding of what
>> he meant so as to make him seem wrong.
>
> You made FACTUAL ERRORS, not expressing your self poorly. Can't you even
> take the most MINIMAL responsibility for your actions?

Can you?

Dave

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Nov 21, 2006, 7:24:06 PM11/21/06

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:02:18 GMT, Aragorn wrote:

> Well, in my patience, I have given Matt one last chance of seeing for
> himself that all of this simply stems from a misunderstanding (on his part)
> of Bit Twister and myself.

The outcome's inevitable, regardless of how many chances you offer it.
It's hellbent on proving itself right, even when faced with evidence
proving it otherwise.

Normally, the latter part adds to comedic values, but comedians know how
far to push a joke. That includes the bad comedians as well.