Be a Saviour! Take up your cross~
guardian Snow
> > in spirit and truth.”
>
> Since Yeshua was Yahweh made manifest in the flesh, he of course is
> the same Savior that is proclaimed in your posted verse from Isaiah
> 45:21-22. John said in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word and
> the Word was with God and the Word WAS God" . He also said in John
> 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld
> his glory..."
“We never know how high we are
Till we are called to rise;
And then, if we are true to plan,
Our statures touch the skies—
The Heroism we recite
Would be a daily thing,
Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
For fear to be a King—“
By Emily Dickenson
I must pity Christians because they have such circular logic they are
unable to see what is clearly written in John’s Good News. Locked
into the faulty logic that Yahweh can only manifest in the flesh of
“Jesus” and by extension then wrongly worshiping an image. Christians
maintain the “trinity” doctrine to explain the faulty logic that 3 is
one never actually seeing that the Messiah says:
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
This idea that Yahweh is the deity of the Messiah is furthered by
Matthew on many occasion such as:
Mat 4:10 Then Yehoshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
The name of Jesus is not in any Hebrew scripture but Yehoshua means
Yahweh saved. I’ve spent a long time trying to get Christians to
realize that Jesus was not a deity that sought out being worshiped.
Many mistranslations in scriptures exist that allow to not see the
many contradictions in that the Messiah ascended to the RIGHT HAND of
power, not the seat of power.
Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My RIGHT HAND, until I
make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” ’?
Mat 26:64 Yehoshua said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to
you, from now you shall see the Son of Adam sitting at the RIGHT HAND
of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.”
On Oct 18, 6:02 am, holyf...@wondering.com wrote:
> In the creed the Holy Trinity is defined, based on scripture, so as to
> make sure that God as father and son and spirit undivided and Christ
> undivided in His nature are fully declared as central to the faith. By
> any name, this is an absolute article of faith which defines who is a
> christian.
While “Trinity” doctrine defines who is “Christian”, Christians refuse
to acknowledge that Messiah was only a prophet with the spirit of
Yahweh:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth,* a
man* approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Yahweh is not a man, Elohim is SPIRIT.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Num 23:19 El is not a man, …
Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not
The problem with not making the distinction between spirit and flesh
is that Christians spend all their worship focused on outward
appearances rather than cleaning the cup within. Even the Messiah
while acknowledging he was one with the Father, did not claim to be
the Father at any point because those who truly understand the
religion he preached know that he spoke of the eternal spirit, not
himself.
Christians acknowledge that the Messiah died and was in the grave for
3 days and nights but what they fail to understand is that the dead
can’t resurrect themselves, a power greater than that dead force must
be behind that restoration and that power is the spirit of Yahweh.
Mat 9:8 And when the crowds saw it, they marvelled and praised Elohim
who had given such authority to men.
Such authority is given to MEN, so if you focus on the wrong idea that
Yehoshua is a deity, you completely missed the mark that like you,
authority is given. All men can manifest the same and greater
authority and according to the Messiah will when they understand their
true nature and stop living in the darkness of ignorance that makes
them weak spiritual, physically and mentally.
The point isn’t if Yehoshua is one with Yahweh, we know this by his
works, the point is, “Are you one with Yahweh?” and the reality is
that until you have learned to manifest the signs, YOU ARE NOT.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself in him.”
Nobody argues that the spirit spoke THROUGH men, so why do they assume
things are different for themselves? Christians don’t argue that a
spirit spoke through Paul, Peter, James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John but when it comes to themselves, they apply a disconnection and
look outside themselves.
1Jn 4:9 By this the love of Elohim was manifested in us
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
That you should follow in his steps and be “Christ like” is simply
something no person of faith should ever consider speaking against but
still, they do not believe in their own divinity or the fact that they
are created in his image.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
“This is my letter to the world,
That never wrote to me, -
The simple news that Nature told,
With tender majesty.
Her message is committed
To hands I cannot see;
For love of her, sweet countrymen,
Judge tenderly of me!”
By Emily Dickinson
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A few can touch the magic string, and noisy fame is proud to win them:
Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Linda Lee
> > > Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> > > in spirit and truth.”
>
> > Since Yeshua was Yahweh made manifest in the flesh, he of course is
> > the same Savior that is proclaimed in your posted verse from Isaiah
> > 45:21-22. John said in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word and
> > the Word was with God and the Word WAS God" . He also said in John
> > 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld
> > his glory..."
>
> “We never know how high we are
> Till we are called to rise;
> And then, if we are true to plan,
> Our statures touch the skies—
> "Be a Saviour! Take up your cross~"
Even Moses was denied the right to act as a saviour to obtain eternal
life to the Israelites:
Exo 32:31-33 "And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this
people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet
now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray
thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto
Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my
book" ["the book of the Living" - eternal life - Psa. 69:28].
There is only one Saviour:
Isa. 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no
saviour."
Isa. 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer
the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me
there is no God."
Isa. 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from
the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
Rev. 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These
things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive" -
Yahashua` the Messiah.
Heb. 3091 - yehôshûa‛
BDB Definition:
Joshua or Jehoshua = “Jehovah is salvation”.
> I’ve spent a long time trying to get Christians to
> realize that Jesus was not a deity that sought out being worshiped.
> Many mistranslations in scriptures exist that allow to not see the
> many contradictions in that the Messiah ascended to the RIGHT HAND of
> power,
>
> Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My RIGHT HAND, until I
> make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” ’?
Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
of God".
Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
not God.
"God is a spirit" (John 4:24), so of course the Messiah is not
literally at God's physical right hand because God is not a physical
being and has no physical 'right hand'.
CHRIST, the Messiah and Saviour, at God's right hand is an idiom
meaning Christ is God's righteousness and salvation as in the
Scriptures God's right hand contains righteousness and salvation:
Psa 98:1 <A Psalm.> O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done
marvellous things: HIS RIGHT HAND, and his holy arm, hath GOTTEN HIM
THE VICTORY [from 'yasha – meaning salvation].
Psa 108:5-6 Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens: and thy glory
above all the earth; That thy beloved may be delivered: SAVE WITH THY
RIGHT HAND, and answer me.
Psa 138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me:
thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies,
and THY RIGHT HAND SHALL SAVE ME.
Psa 18:35 Thou hast also given me the shield of THY SALVATION: AND
THY RIGHT HAND HATH HOLDEN ME up, and thy gentleness hath made me
great.
Psa 20:6 Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed [King David];
he will hear him from his holy heaven with the SAVING STRENGTH OF HIS
RIGHT HAND.
Psa 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that SAVEST BY
THY RIGHT HAND them which put their trust in thee from those that rise
up against them.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I
am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I WILL
UPHOLD THEE WITH THE RIGHT HAND OF MY RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Psa 48:10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the
ends of the earth: THY RIGHT HAND IS FULL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
SALVATION IS TIED TO GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS in Christ as the Saviour:
Isa 59:16 And he [GOD] saw that there was no man, and wondered that
there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought SALVATION UNTO
HIM; AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on RIGHTEOUSNESS as a breastplate, and an helmet
of SALVATION upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance
for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. [God incarnate as the
SAVIOR.]
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for
MY SALVATION IS NEAR TO COME, AND MY RIGHTEOUSNESS TO BE REVEALED.
Jer 23:6 In his [the MESSIAH'S] days Judah shall be saved, and Israel
shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called,
THE LORD [YHWH – current name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures] OUR
RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the BRANCH OF
RIGHTEOUSNESS to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and
righteousness in the land.
> not the seat of power.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as
crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and
of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
> Mat 26:64 Yehoshua said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to
> you, from now you shall see the Son of Adam sitting at the RIGHT HAND
> of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.”
>
Rev 5:1 And I saw in the RIGHT HAND of him that sat on the throne a
book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who
is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth,
was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and
to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the
Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open
the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
>
> On Oct 18, 6:02 am, holyf...@wondering.com wrote:
>
> > In the creed the Holy Trinity is defined, based on scripture, so as to
> > make sure that God as father and son and spirit undivided and Christ
> > undivided in His nature are fully declared as central to the faith. By
> > any name, this is an absolute article of faith which defines who is a
> > christian.
>
> While “Trinity” doctrine defines who is “Christian”, Christians refuse
> to acknowledge that Messiah was only a prophet with the spirit of
> Yahweh:
Even John the Baptist who announced the Lamb of God, Messiah, was NOT
"only a prophet":
Mat 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
Mat 11:7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes
concerning John [the Baptist], What went ye out into the wilderness to
see? A reed shaken with the wind?
Mat 11:8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft
raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
Mat 11:9 But what went ye out for to see? A PROPHET? YEA, I say unto
you, and MORE THAN A PROPHET.
Mat 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I [GOD] send
my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before
thee.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women
there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist
>
> Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth,* a
> man* approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
> which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
>
> Yahweh is not a man, Elohim is SPIRIT.
"God is Spirit" (John 4:24), and does not have a physical "right
hand".
>
> Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> in spirit and truth.”
> Num 23:19 El is not a man, …
And the rest of that verse, which reveals it is saying God is not a
liar nor in need of repentance like men and the son of men:
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of
man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or
hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
> Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not
True.
GOD incarnate as the Saviour:
Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh
himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there
was no judgment.
Isa 59:16 And HE SAW THAT THERE WAS NO MAN, and wondered that there
was NO INTERCESSOR: THEREFORE HIS ARM BROUGHT SALVATION UNTO HIM; and
his righteousness, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet
of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance
for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
>
> The problem with not making the distinction between spirit and flesh
> is that Christians spend all their worship focused on outward
> appearances rather than cleaning the cup within.
> Even the Messiah
> while acknowledging he was one with the Father, did not claim to be
> the Father at any point
John 14:9, "Jesus saith unto him ...he that hath seen me hath seen the
Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
> because those who truly understand the
> religion he preached know that he spoke of the eternal spirit, not
> himself.
>
> Christians acknowledge that the Messiah died and was in the grave for
> 3 days and nights but what they fail to understand is that the dead
> can’t resurrect themselves,
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my
life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I
have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This
commandment have I received of my Father.
...
Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How
long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us
plainly.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the
works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I
said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow
me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never
perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no
man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Ike E 10/29/09
"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:11480f28-8da9-4409...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
> There is only one Saviour:
Yes, but you DENY Him by LYING and saying HIS GRACE IS NOT SUFFICIENT, which
NULLIFIES the salvation He earned FOR US...
Lk 18:9-14
And [Jesus] spake this parable unto certain which TRUSTED IN THEMSELVES
THAT THEY WERE RIGHTEOUS, and DESPISED OTHERS:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the
other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that
I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this
publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his
eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a
sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the
other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that
humbleth himself shall be exalted.
YOU = THE PHARISEE.
[snip]
Ike
guardian Snow
A BOOK by Emily Dickinson
There is no frigate like a book
To take us lands away,
Nor any coursers like a page
Of prancing poetry.
This traverse may the poorest take
Without oppress of toll;
How frugal is the chariot
That bears a human soul!
XVII.
Who has not found the heaven below
Will fail of it above.
God's residence is next to mine,
His furniture is love.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Lying Ike
You're a liar and a pig.
You Ike lie about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the
deity of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts your buddy Snowjob whom you know DOES deny the
deity of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must
obey the Ten Commandments of our own will.
You, like the hypocritical little satan that you are, repeatedly and
deliberately give false witness about others, lying about what others
believe and attacking them on a daily basis, calling everyone filthy
names. The only one you seem to exempt from your daily attacks is your
male chauvinist buddy Snowjob who joins you in accusing Christians
daily, calling them names and hypocritically judging them that they
are judgmental of others.
You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone what
you claim to believe. The only things you two have in common is that
you are both children of the Devil, control-freak male chauvinists,
liars, and hypocrites who don't really give a damn about the
Scriptures you claim to preach.
Rod
> On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Lying Ike
>
>
> You're a liar and a pig.
>
>
because Snow labeled you a whore....
guardian Snow
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Lying Ike
>
> > You're a liar and a pig.
>
> This is real Christ like of you, calling him a pig...and you whine
> because Snow labeled you a whore....
Idealogical whore... that should be clear what Jezebel is... but
remember Rod, "Conflict can't survive without our participation." I
have determined to ignore it because in the greater scheme of things I
show by my works that I obey the master Yehoshua by leaving her alone
and simply ignoring the dead..
Mat 8:22 But YEHOSHUA said to him, “Follow Me, and leave the dead to
bury their own dead.”
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
guardian Snow
of the ideas in this post, I hope you enjoy it.
I call myself a Peaceful Warrior... because the battles we fight are
on the inside.
Every person is responsible for all the good within the scope of his
abilities, and for no more, and none can tell whose sphere is the
largest. Our Judgment’s of others prevent us from seeing the good that
lies beyond appearances. Love is the ability and willingness to allow
those that you care for to be what they choose for themselves without
any insistence that they satisfy you.
“Let it go.” It's not important and when you have nothing to defend,
the accuser has nothing to attack. The way of the “peaceful warrior”
is to defend and survive, not to attack. Ignore the insulting tongue;
duck the provoking blow, run from the assault of the strong. Are
these the actions of a coward? The wild boar runs from the tiger.
Knowing that each are well armed naturally with deadly strength and
may kill the other, by running he saves his own life, and that of the
tiger. This is not cowardice; it is the love of life. He who attacks
must vanquish. He who defends must merely survive.
Mat 10:16 “See, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.
Therefore be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
The "Peaceful Warrior" is prepared to promote the truth of YAHWEH
Elohim.
1Pe 3:15 But set apart YAHWEH Elohim in your hearts, and always be
ready to give an answer to everyone asking you a reason concerning the
expectation that is in you, with meekness and fear, 16 having a good
conscience, so that when they speak against you as doers of evil,
those who falsely accuse your good behaviour in Messiah, shall be
ashamed.
I first look inside and judge what we find inside and then defend the
truth so that others know from where we speak to esteem our Father in
heaven.
1Pe 4:11 If anyone speaks, let it be as the Words of Elohim. If anyone
serves, let it be as with the strength which Elohim provides, so that
Elohim might be praised in it all through YEHOSHUA Messiah, to whom
belong the esteem and the rule forever and ever. Amĕn.
A warrior does not give up what he loves; he finds the love in what he
does. Because we know the truth we do not worry about false
allegations and so when attacked:
Mat 5:38 “You heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth
for a tooth,’ 39 but I say to you, do not resist the wicked. But
whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40
“And he who wishes to sue you and take away your inner garment, let
him have your outer garment as well.
Because we know they speak in ignorance we:
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
When you master these teachings, you begin to know the way of the
peaceful warrior who is:
Luk 6:36 “Therefore be compassionate, as your Father also is
compassionate. 37 “And do not judge, and you shall not be judged at
all. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned at all. Forgive, and
you shall be forgiven. 38 “Give, and it shall be given to you. A good
measure, pressed down and shaken together and running over shall be
put into your lap. For with the same measure with which you measure,
it shall be measured back to you.”
Trespass or sin is our debt to be repaid.
Mar 11:26 “But if you do not forgive, neither shall your Father in the
heavens forgive your trespasses.”
To clear our debt, we first must forgive another dept without
expecting return. What I find troubling over all is that nobody wants
to actually talk about the doctrine of Christ. All the vast majority
of people want to do is argue over pettiness and attack each other.
As to forgiveness, It goes deeper and nobody really seems to really
practice it... A tragic situation is going all around where people
claim to be Christians and never follow his teachings. The other
mistake I see are people remaking the Messiah into an image that
suites the need of the person posting the message. They refashion and
create a new god that isn't in the scriptures.
Mat 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of
Me, and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 “And he who does not take up his stake and follow after Me is not
worthy of Me.
People are pretending to be Christian and not following him.
“Don't find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain.”
Henry Ford
Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul. Everything has a purpose, even this, and it's up to you to find
it.
Luk 6:21 “Blessed are you who hunger now, because you shall be
satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, because you shall laugh. 22
“Blessed are you when men shall hate you, and when they shall cut you
off, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as wicked, for the
sake of the Son of Aḏam. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy,
for look, your reward is great in the heaven, for that is how their
fathers treated the prophets.
I am blessed by being attacked because I have received a chance to
repay large debts. By forgiving those that attack you and placing
your faith in Elohim, you realize that you have no need to defend
yourself.
Isa 54:17 “No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every
tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This
is the inheritance of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness
from Me,” declares Yahweh.
A lot of people paint a dark. bleak picture of the future using the
bible. I don't agree with a lot of people’s interpretation of the
future but... It seems to me that people in general are painting that
bleak image and being self-fulfilling.
I often wonder why so many people must attack other people’s
intelligence and opinions. Is it true that our self-esteem is so low
that we can't help but log onto the Internet just to find somebody
that we don't agree with and attack them? Why is it so hard to
respectfully disagree with each other?
You have our own concept of what I am speaking about and many have
failed to understand. Our thoughts were scattered and your mode is
attack and so you set out to do battle with somebody that has no
desire to resist you.
Clearly others have no desire for my beliefs and so they thought this
was a fight and they came with guns blazing to empty fields and didn't
see the sign that said “the war is over” for me. I have Victory and
my peace and you are entitled to try and make it yours by means of
your aggression and your war making.
Men are fighting... because they are convinced that the extermination
of adversaries is the only means of promoting their own well-being.
Only one thing can conquer war - that attitude of mind which can see
nothing in war but destruction and annihilation. War... is harmful,
not only to the conquered but to the conqueror.
Mat 5:39 but I say to you, do not resist the wicked. But whoever slaps
you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Where would you like me to go? Do you believe that anybody that
disagrees with you is setting themselves up for your attack? You must
realize the aggressors here will attack you for a belief.
Knowing my victory isn't unloving when you’re invited to join. You
may choose to pretend you’re a victim while you go around attacking.
The truth is you’re a result of your own aggression. The highest form
of ignorance is when you reject something, when you don't know
anything about that belief.
Why would you attack people, do you even know? People speak as if they
are casualties. They can still pretend to be a victim being trampled
on, the hanged man spending time accusing people that aren't involved.
So ultimately we hate the fact that you know you’re committing sin and
in rebellion condemn all those who try and help. You condemn them
because you feel they condemned you but the fact is, I am not your
judge and I have no desire to judge you. You alone have judged
yourself and created your own negative apathy.
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.
Your own self loathing becomes quickly apparent as you blame all those
trying to teach the truth. These people have painted a self fulfilled
dark future and not ours and that is what they resent.
Why do you expect to receive love when you wrongly accuse others? The
truth is we don't want it, even when it's offered and we demonstrate
that by accusing innocent people and pretending righteousness. I don’t
call you a fool but it's foolish to reject something you don't or
can’t understand. A person who won't read has no advantage over one
who can't read. This does not say you can't read but are you willing
to read.
“Adversity is the first path to truth.”
Lord Byron
So then you are attacking and won't admit you’re a hypocrite and hide
behind words like "blasphemy" and yet, I avoid liable and we still
want to challenge because, it represents all that we fear.
So cry foul, whine and moan about it you think I don't care about
people. I tell you the truth and you choose your own fate. Don't
think I'm going to follow you into the pits of your own dark soul
friend; I'm not obligated or instructed by my scriptures to be so
foolish.
1Pe 2:11 Beloved ones, I appeal to you as sojourners and pilgrims, to
abstain from fleshly lusts which battle against the life, 12 having
your behavior among the nations good so that when they speak against
you as evil-doers, let them, by observing your good works, esteem
Elohim in a day of visitation.
So if I tell you how to save your life, how does that not demonstrate
love? It is smarter to quote the truth. We ask question when we want
to challenge another person’s belief and seek a response. Being
worried about a lie shows only a lack of faith in the truth.
Joh 8:31 So Yehoshua said to those Yehuḏim who believed Him, “If you
stay in My Word, you are truly My taught ones, 32 and you shall know
the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
It is for the reason to be free that we teach only the way of peace,
to stay in the word of truth. There is no way to prosperity,
prosperity is the way.
Mat 28:18 And יהושע came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority
has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 “Therefore, go and
make taught ones of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the
Father and of the Son and of the Set- apart Spirit, 20 teaching them
to guard all that I have commanded you. And see, I am with you always,
until the end of the age.” Amĕn.
The fact that we are willing to say, ''I do not understand, and it is
fine,'' is the greatest understanding you could exhibit. Tell the
truth and people will see what a lie is and the light will shine for
all to see.
Mat 4:16 the people who sat in darkness saw a great light, and upon
those who sat in the land and shadow of death, light arose to them.”1
Footnote: 1Isa. 9:1-2. 17 From that time [Yehoshua] יהושע began to
proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn
near.”
The journey is what brings us happiness not the destination. The ones
who are hardest to love are usually the ones who need it the most.
Peace is not about perfection or victory or invulnerability, It is
about absolute vulnerability.
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you, 45 so that you become sons of your Father in the
heavens. Because He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good,
and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.1 Footnote:
1Lk. 6:35, Acts 14:16-17.
There's no greater purpose than service to others. Everyone wants to
tell you what to do and what's good for you. They don't want you to
find your own answers; they want you to believe theirs. Let me guess,
and you want me to believe yours. No, I want you to stop gathering
information from the outside and start gathering it from the inside.
People are not their thoughts, they think they are, and it brings them
all kinds of sadness.
I took for granted what I could do. I was sloppy with my life; I'm
scared but I got rid of all the old stuff and it was the right thing
to do. The death of my old life isn't sad. The sad thing is: most
people don't live at all.
The “Peacemaker” is about a journey inside and not that of external
revelations. Everything I just spoke about speaks to our life and the
spiritual journey of critical self analysis. One of the primary
messages of the “Peacemaker” is that, "there are no ordinary moments"
and "there is never, 'nothing going on'" and most of the time we just
aren’t observant enough to recognize this.
We have become self absorbed in the entrapments of our own making.
Very few of mankind's creations are designed to make you feel good,
unless you get pleasure from seeing the human body desecrated. By
guns, explosions, fights and even pictures of death on cigarettes and
any other medium by which these images so- called "artists" create. In
the name of freedom, many have used art and the media as a means to
destroy the human mind. As an excuse to continue we hear
"Art reflects society".
How many times has this lie been repeated: "these creations are not
real", they say and yet any one of these people can call to mind
images and complete scenes of utter horror in graphic detail.
They will carry these so-called "unreal" creations around with them
for the rest of their lives. These images are now a part of their
being. In the name of RECREATION these people in fact are re-creating
themselves in their own images.
SOCIETY THEN REFLECTS ART.
It speaks to the appreciation of service and everyday task and opening
up your eyes to life around you by focusing on the here and now,
inside you. The components of anxiety, stress, fear, and anger do not
exist independently of you in the world. They simply do not exist in
the physical world, even though we talk about them as if they do. Stop
acting as if life is a rehearsal. Live this day as if it were your
last. The past is over and gone. The future is not guaranteed. If you
do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten.
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
'Men have forgotten this truth,' said the fox. 'But you must not
forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.'
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the
heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Linda Lee
> > wrote:
>
> >> Lying Ike
>
> > You're a liar and a pig.
>
> This is real Christ like of you, calling him a pig...and you whine
> because Snow labeled you a whore....
Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
And it is real Christ-like of you to join in with Snowjob and Ike in
harassing me since last August. Ike has been harassing me for four
years and Snowjob for a year. Snowjob has called me a whore and a
murderer, you and Snowjob have both called me a lesbian and all three
of you have called me Jezebel, among many other names. But that's ALL
okay, isn't it Rod? As long as YOU are treated alright and Snowjob
pats you on the back for voting for Obama and hounds me for two months
calling me a murderer because I voted for Obama, that is all okay,
isn't it Rod? That also smacks of male chauvinism. You're as
hypocritical as he is.
Some people are manipulators and some people are easily manipulated by
insincere kind words. I'll let you figure out where Snowjob and you
fit in that.
I refuse to waste the time it takes to engage in trading insults with
you three any longer, but I won't let you three follow me around
attacking me unanswered either. So I have a standard answer for each
of you if you have anything personal to say to me. Here is yours.
Rod (aka “Psychotic Sewer Imp”),
You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
hater on these boards, calling them names and then claiming they are
not Christians when they argue with you. You've found a kindred soul
in Snowjob (aka guardian Snow) the antichrist hypocrite. It has been
Snowjob's habit to pretend friendliness towards Christians, to hand
out false compliments, and then to begin to criticize them and their
entire belief system, calling them names while condemning them for
failing to love him, their sworn enemy. Snowjob has done this with me
and others, including Vera Six whom you hate.
When you began posting to me and e-mailing me with your claim of
having had a supernatural experience, several Christian posters warned
me that you had pretended the same with them, feigned friendliness,
and then had gone on the attack. I took a 'wait and see' attitude with
you. I waited, and now I see; they were right.
You've judged me as “insane” for not accepting the apologies of a
person (Snowjob) who repeatedly attacked and then apologized. This
went on for months. He'd repeatedly call me a “whore” because I
refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy and
Lord as he had insisted, and a “murderer” after he found out I had
voted for President Obama, and then brand me as unforgiving if I would
not accept his apologies as valid; I'd accept his apology, then he'd
insult me again, often within minutes in another thread.
Since it is your tactic to hypocritically attempt to justify his and
your own name-calling, calling me a lesbian and a jezebel (both of you
saying you are doing so to “help” the person) and to put on a false
front as some kind of holy men when you're not calling people names,
lying about what you have done, you're as insane and evil as he is.
You and your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob are both simply anti-
Christian trolls and trouble-making hypocrites, condoning each others'
sins and lies while you condemn others.
Rod
> On Nov 1, 1:06 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Lying Ike
>>> You're a liar and a pig.
>> This is real Christ like of you, calling him a pig...and you whine
>> because Snow labeled you a whore....
>
> Idealogical whore...
Well, that explains it...another kind of whore. But one way or
another, they all seem to be alike, whether it's ideaologies
or men, hoppin' from one to another.
that should be clear what Jezebel is...
I've never been up on jezebels. I've made it a point to steer clear
of that type.
> but
> remember Rod, "Conflict can't survive without our participation."
Conflict seems to be alive and well on usenet. Sad it is, a good
example of the worst in the human heart.
> I
> have determined to ignore it because in the greater scheme of things I
> show by my works that I obey the master Yehoshua by leaving her alone
> and simply ignoring the dead..
>
> Mat 8:22 But YEHOSHUA said to him, �Follow Me, and leave the dead to
> bury their own dead.�
>
> Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
> thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
> our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 �For My thoughts are not your
> thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,� declares Yahweh. 9 �For as
> the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
> ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
>
> Rev 22:11 �He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
> let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
> righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
>
> Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, �Every plant which My heavenly
> Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
> Mat 15:14 �Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
> if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.�
>
>
Thanks for the verses!
>
Linda Lee
Why do you try to exempt yourself as one of these aggressors when you
have attacked me repeatedly labeling me a murderer for at least two
months because I voted for Obama, and calling me a whore repeatedly
because I refused to quit using the KJV Bible and the words Lord, God,
and Holy as you had demanded I do? And you wonder WHY I call you a
hypocrite. LOL.
>
> Knowing my victory isn't unloving when you’re invited to join. You
> may choose to pretend you’re a victim while you go around attacking.
> The truth is you’re a result of your own aggression.
Does this truth apply to you, or are you above this too? Are you now
called a hypocrite and a Snowjob and a male chauvinist pig because
you've been aggressive in attacking me for my religious and political
beliefs by calling me a whore and a murderer in the past or are you
now just an innocent little victim? Your hypocrisy never ceases.
> Joh 8:31 So Yehoshua ...
>
> read more »
Linda Lee
P.S. Snowjob, one more thing, Rod's nic is obviously a male one and
mine is obviously a female one, so if you are not a male chauvinist
pig I would like to know why you accept Rod's political beliefs in
voting for Obama and his Christian belief while you have tried to
control mine (also Christian, also voting for Obama) with condemnation
and harassment?
Rod
> On Oct 31, 10:06 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> LindaLeewrote:
>>> On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Lying Ike
>>> You're a liar and a pig.
>> This is real Christ like of you, calling him a pig...and you whine
>> because Snow labeled you a whore....
>
>
> Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
> women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
>
> And it is real Christ-like of you to join in with Snowjob and Ike in
> harassing me since last August.
Has it been that long ? Wow..time sure flies by, doesn't it ? You just
got back what you handed out, and may I bring to your attention the
fact that you didn't like it !!!!!
> Ike has been harassing me for four
> years and Snowjob for a year.
I'd think he'd be tried by this time...I am.
Snowjob has called me a whore and a
> murderer, you and Snowjob have both called me a lesbian
Excuse me....I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian...there is a
small matter of fact to deal with...you took yourself down the road
from MAY BE to AM, not me. I saw your post where you denied it, and
you would know so I believe you.
> and all three
> of you have called me Jezebel,
Stop acting a like one.
> But that's ALL
> okay, isn't it Rod? As long as YOU are treated alright and Snowjob
> pats you on the back for voting for Obama and hounds me for two months
> calling me a murderer because I voted for Obama, that is all okay,
> isn't it Rod?
Are you going to afford an opportunity for me to answer, or plant
words in my mouth ?
> That also smacks of male chauvinism. You're as
> hypocritical as he is.
>
> Some people are manipulators and some people are easily manipulated by
> insincere kind words. I'll let you figure out where Snowjob and you
> fit in that.
What a horrible accusation to make! How long have you been brewing
this one up ?
You need to get it thru your head that if you showed even a mediocre
amount of kindness it would find it's way home to you. But naturally,
you have to see just how nasty and mean you can be on usenet, just
like some of the worst here, you have to see just how far you can push
it.
I'd like nothing better to be good to you, but I'm not going to stay
silent while you are rampaging across the group posting trash like
the crap on this page!
If you think I should then you ARE insane.
>
> I refuse to waste the time it takes to engage in trading insults with
> you three any longer,
BUT, YOU ARE DOING IT NOW!!!!!
Linda Lee
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 10:06 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> LindaLeewrote:
> >>> On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Lying Ike
> >>> You're a liar and a pig.
> >> This is real Christ like of you, calling him a pig...and you whine
> >> because Snow labeled you a whore....
>
> > Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
> > women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
>
> > And it is real Christ-like of you to join in with Snowjob and Ike in
> > harassing me since last August.
>
> Has it been that long ? Wow..time sure flies by, doesn't it ? You just
> got back what you handed out, and may I bring to your attention the
> fact that you didn't like it !!!!!
Pretend all you like, I did not 'start it' with Snowjob, so he is
getting back what HE "handed out". Same with you Rod, you started
criticizing me first. I guess you didn't like it either when you got
back what you "handed out". Well, I was just trying to help you...
(where did I learn that one, oh it was from Snowjob and you).
>
> > Ike has been harassing me for four
> > years and Snowjob for a year.
>
> I'd think he'd be tried by this time...I am.
It's his nature; no strain.
>
> Snowjob has called me a whore and a
>
> > murderer, you and Snowjob have both called me a lesbian
>
> Excuse me....I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian...there is a
> small matter of fact to deal with...you took yourself down the road
> from MAY BE to AM, not me. I saw your post where you denied it, and
> you would know so I believe you.
I suspect you MAY be a homosexual, that's okay for me to say here,
isn't it? Just going by your rules.
>
> > and all three
> > of you have called me Jezebel,
>
> Stop acting a like one.
You don't even know what a jezebel is.
>
> > But that's ALL
> > okay, isn't it Rod? As long as YOU are treated alright and Snowjob
> > pats you on the back for voting for Obama and hounds me for two months
> > calling me a murderer because I voted for Obama, that is all okay,
> > isn't it Rod?
>
> Are you going to afford an opportunity for me to answer, or plant
> words in my mouth ?
You have already made it known that it IS okay with you so you have no
answer for that. At least not one that would be truthful or make
sense.
Perhaps you being a MAN (although MAYBE a homosexual one as I
suspect), can give me, a little woman who just might not be able to
fathom such deep issues, an answer to the following question I posed
to Snowjob:
"P.S. Snowjob, one more thing, Rod's nic is obviously a male one and
mine is obviously a female one, so if you are not a male chauvinist
pig I would like to know why you accept Rod's political beliefs in
voting for Obama and his Christian belief while you have tried to
control mine (also Christian, also voting for Obama) with condemnation
and harassment? "
So why do you think you are afforded the right to your own political
and religious beliefs and I am not if the issue is not sexism with
Snowjob? Or do you just not care, because it's alright with you since
your rights aren't being called into question. May I remind you that
in America, and I am an American, both men AND WOMEN have the rights
to religious and political FREEDOM. Or don't you believe in that
either? Or does it just apply to men?
>
> > That also smacks of male chauvinism. You're as
> > hypocritical as he is.
>
> > Some people are manipulators and some people are easily manipulated by
> > insincere kind words. I'll let you figure out where Snowjob and you
> > fit in that.
>
> What a horrible accusation to make! How long have you been brewing
> this one up ?
Needy insecure people are easily manipulated. I've been saying
Snowjob's a manipulator for a year; that and his hypocrisy is why he
is so annoying.
>
> You need to get it thru your head that if you showed even a mediocre
> amount of kindness it would find it's way home to you. But naturally,
> you have to see just how nasty and mean you can be on usenet, just
> like some of the worst here, you have to see just how far you can push
> it.
Ike, Snowjob, and YOU all started the CRAP with me. I didn't start it
with any of you, so quit being a HYPOCRITE.
>
> I'd like nothing better to be good to you, but I'm not going to stay
> silent while you are rampaging across the group posting trash like
> the crap on this page!
>
> If you think I should then you ARE insane.
There you go again. Psycho.
>
>
>
> > I refuse to waste the time it takes to engage in trading insults with
> > you three any longer,
>
> BUT, YOU ARE DOING IT NOW!!!!!
And I am now tempted to post the 'standard response' to you; instead,
I will take the time to say the following. If you feel the need to
respond with your usual double-standard accusations, names, and
falsehoods, I think I will just post the 'standard response'.
Your buddy Snowjob is the supreme hypocrite and you're running a close
second.
Don't pretend I started the hostilities with Snowjob; he did. Because
of that his statements to you in the following got the following
response from me.
Snowjob:
> You must
> realize the aggressors here will attack you for a belief.
Me:
Why do you try to exempt yourself as one of these aggressors when you
have attacked me repeatedly labeling me a murderer for at least two
months because I voted for Obama, and calling me a whore repeatedly
because I refused to quit using the KJV Bible and the words Lord, God,
and Holy as you had demanded I do? And you wonder WHY I call you a
hypocrite. LOL.
Snowjob:
> Knowing my victory isn't unloving when you’re invited to join. You
> may choose to pretend you’re a victim while you go around attacking.
> The truth is you’re a result of your own aggression.
Me:
guardian Snow
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run,
but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my
favorite songs says,
Runner by Manfred Mann
“Through the night, through the dawn
Behind you another runner is born
Don't look back, you've been there
Feel the mist as your breath hits the air
And it's underneath the moonlight
Passing some
Still your heart beats in the moonlight
Like a drum
And you will run your time
A shooting star across the sky
And you will surely cross the line
To pass on the flame” -
Not everybody is going to win this race but most certainly, you can be
on that winning team that comes to the truth and recognize your own
divine nature. Why do so many claim to “live in sin” which is a
present tense, self defeating negative statement of their own state?
If you are forgiven and made whole then if you are truly “one with the
spirit” you will no longer retain those old ways of thought and
perfection is within your reach but first, YOU MUST BELIEVE.
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Words are awesome power and contain within them the very “mystery” of
life. I speak of a mystery not because it is any secret revelation
given to me but because so few understand that in reality science
shows your faith, your belief and your works can and do make you whole
and strong. As you believe, it will be done said the Messiah.
Mat 8:13 And Yehoshua said to the captain, “Go, and as you have
believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that
hour.
So many people actually demonstrate a lack of faith and these people
do not need to be corrected or put down or even argued against because
this is not the Messianic doctrine of peace.
Simply put, if I spent all my days like some going around telling you
about all the false witnesses in the world, I would never truly obey
my Masters teachings to spread the Good News that the power of life,
forgiveness and even healing come to those who know, obey and keep to
the teachings of Torah.
I am a spiritual being with a body and connection to my source of
being, connects me to an infinite power that when understood grants me
the ability of source energy that Hebrew Scriptures names, YAHWEH. If
I spoke of the marvelous things that have manifested in my life by his
name, most would ridicule me and trample me down as a dog but this
understanding is clear, when we follow the true teachings of the Torah
and the spiritual giants of our Masters the prophets, conflict
disappears and we become one with the will of Yahweh and that source
and I say now that whether for good or evil, what we focus on will
manifest according to our belief.
So many have become slave to a dogma that says they must continue to
live in transgression of the Torah? Why would you believe you are
anything less that PERFECTION? Why believe you are unable to keep the
Torah when at it’s very core of the doctrine it says, “Do what is
right” and “Love Elohim, your neighbor and the stranger who sojourns
amongst you” for we were once strangers ourselves but now are called
to be Priest of the most high EL YAHWEH.
Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, “Because of your unbelief, for
truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it shall move.
And no matter shall be impossible for you.”
If NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, you are only demonstrating unbelief when you
confirm these teachings that you continue to live in sin for in it,
you deny that you are forgiven and made whole by your belief and now
should do the works accordingly as our Messiah taught, guarding ALL
that he commanded and living a life by the examples that he left for
us to follow after… only then do we understand what he taught us to
“take up your stake” and to “follow me” for in it, we understand that
we are equals with him as one brother is to another.
Mat 12:48 But He answering, said to the one who spoke to Him, “Who is
My mother and who are My brothers?”
Mat 12:49 And having stretched out His hand toward His taught ones, He
said, “See My mother and My brothers!
Mat 12:50 “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the
heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”
YAHWEH is not a respecter of your sex and this applies to woman as
well, that no person is left behind in this race to the finish… that
UNITY is by SPIRIT and the power of OUR WORD and so, carry your torch
and be that light, that beacon on the hill and recognize YOUR
righteousness in Yahweh and do what is right to win the race, keep
running underneath the moonlight and blaze your trail that others may
follow YOU in example. If not for yourself, do it for your children…
your friends, your family… you know what is right but first you must
believe that you are capable and put away self defeating thoughts of
imperfections and inability and truly adopt that euphemist that
President Obama made so famous that says, “Yes, WE CAN!” We can, when
we do what is right and connect to that infinite source to envision
what should be for the Torah is a Universal way of life, not a curse
to be shunned or feared.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.1 Footnote: 1See 7:12.
Establish the Torah in your life through belief because until you
actually work it by putting your beliefs into action, you have simply
gone into unbelief in your own ability to do what is right.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.”
Shalom,
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smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
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“You’re the voice” by John Farnham
We have
The chance to turn the pages over
We can write what we want to write
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
Chorus:
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
This time
We know we all stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing, we can make it better
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Linda Lee
pigs who think a woman should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
and must keep silence about them (Ike); must hold the religious and
political beliefs demanded of them (Snowjob); and must roll over and
accept the insults directed at them without saying anything back
(hypocritical you).
guardian Snow
heavenly Father, Yahweh builds us up. Every choice that we make in
our daily lives should be affected by our service to Yahweh. I don’t
always know where Yahweh is going to lead me, in fact I never know, I
trust Yahweh has a plan for me.
Now that doesn’t mean indecision, it means that I base my choices on
what is right to do, even if it means that it’s not what appears to be
the most viable or an easy choice. Henry David Thoreau said, “A truly
good book teaches me better than to read it. I must soon lay it down,
and commence living on its hint. What I began by reading, I must
finish by acting.”
Psa 18:31 For who is Eloah, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, except
our Elohim?
Psa 18:32 It is Ěl who girds me with strength, And makes my way
perfect,
We have The Good Book in scriptures and when we learn to follow the
words of Yahweh, he will perfect us and make us strong. A rock and a
mountain are terms used to help us start to imagine the concepts of
our heavenly Father, a tower of strength that when we obey, we can
inherit.
Psa 18:33 Making my feet like the feet of deer, And sets me on my high
places,
Psa 18:34 Teaching my hands for battle, So that my arms shall bend a
bow of bronze.
Psa 18:35 And You give me the shield of Your deliverance; And Your
right hand supports me, And Your lowliness makes me great.
The hand of Yahweh makes YOU great and that’s a promise you can live
by. The ministry of strength is one that is the call of the soldier,
it requires discipline and practice. This is the voice of Yahweh that
builds you up but keeps you humble, a servant in his command.
Now many people want to tear you down. My favorite song sings, “Some
people hate and expect affection, Some people lie and demand the
truth” and we know they will get neither truth or affection. Those
who are the hardest to love are usually the ones that need love the
most.
I believe that Yahweh will build you up from a peaceful warrior to a
perfect warrior that has overcome the world and all that is in it. We
are peaceful warriors that learn in humility and we take our blows on
the cheek and turn to our enemies the other cheek. Yahweh is the
judge of all but we must judge for ourselves what is right… but we are
never alone in that judgment if we guard his words on our heart.
Deu 10:16 “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and
harden your neck no more.
Many people fail to see the spiritual aspects of the Torah and think
circumcision is only physical but know this, it is physical and
spiritual and this is the lesson learned from Yehoshua, our Master and
brother if we do not turn away from the truth.
Psa 18:36 You enlarge my step under me; And my feet shall not slip.
Psa 18:37 I pursue my enemies and overtake them; And do not turn back
till they are destroyed.
Our enemy is evil in our midst and we must destroy it. Not people but
the things in our life that are evil such as pornography, music with
demonic lyrics giving praise to Satan. Posters on our children’s
walls that glorify evil and promote promiscuity, drugs… these are some
the evils in our life and our being that must be destroyed. Children
must be protected and I won’t negotiate with Satan for my child, will
you? Find your strength and destroy those video games that numb there
mind to violence… you know the ones.
Yahweh does not destroy us and we do NOT destroy people and this may
be one of the most misunderstood concepts of our battle. You see, our
enemies destroy themselves by sin. The reason we do not turn back
till they are destroyed is that we are actually fighting to SAVE our
enemies from themselves.
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Our enemies, and know that we have many in this world, are those that
have bought into the ministry of weakness and we shall overcome them
and the world only with the strength of Yahweh our Elohim. Elohim, a
Hebrew word means “Mighty One”. Yahweh is our might and without him,
we are weak, so don’t be without him. The ministry of weakness is
that of LUCIFER!
Isa 14:10 “All of them respond and say to you, ‘Have you also become
as weak as we? Have you become like us?”
If you are a servant of Yahweh, he wants to build you up and make you
strong!
Psa 18:38 I crush them, and they are unable to rise; They fall under
my feet.
Psa 18:39 And You gird me with strength for battle; Cause my
adversaries to bow under me.
If your adversaries bow, don’t forget to demonstrate the same mercy
and compassion that Yahweh has given you.
Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.
Psa 18:40 And You have made my enemies turn their backs, As for those
hating me, I cut them off.
Now I found this interesting because the enemies of King David turn
their backs, this speaks of retreat and repentance and for the rest,
he cuts them off. He doesn’t listen to his enemies and the voices of
wickedness and he doesn’t negotiate with them, he cuts them off and
drives them out before him. He doesn’t run from the wicked, the
wicked run from him.
Psa 18:41 They cry – but no one is there to save, To Yahweh – but He
answers them not.
We want Yahweh to be with us in our prayers and to answer our
prayers. I know I certainly have many prayers and not all of them
have been answered but his will is sovereign and his ways are not
always known to me. I confess this even though I have been a student
of scriptures for over 20 years at least. Keep asking and keep
praying and keep fighting for righteousness and not just yourself but
your family and all those in your life… be the inspiration that
changes lives, that inspires and turns the wicked heart from wrong.
Over the course of years, I found I was wrong many times and this
brought me humility in understanding that I could still be wrong about
many things. Every day, I find myself discovering a new key of
understanding as I search the scriptures. Of his words Yahweh says
thru Jeremiah the prophet:
Jer 23:28 “The prophet who has a dream, let him relate the dream, and
he who has My Word, let him speak My Word in truth. What is the chaff
to the wheat?” declares Yahweh.
Jer 23:29 “Is not My Word like a fire?” declares Yahweh, “and like a
hammer that shatters a rock?
If isn’t like a fire then it’s NOT his word! Now the ministry of
weakness say, “You can’t be righteous” “Jesus is our righteousness
because he kept the Torah perfectly so you have no need to be
righteous. If you only believe you will not die but have eternal
life.”
Now I ask you, where is the motivation to guard the words of Yahweh?
Aren’t we in fact negotiating a reason to continue a life of sin just
like the serpent in the garden?
Gen 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the
garden, Elohim has said, ‘Do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you
die.’ ” 4 And the serpent said to the woman, “You shall certainly not
die.”
Yes, YOU WILL DIE if you don’t wake up and repent and stop negotiating
with the devil for your soul. Be strong and stop defiling yourself.
Stop cheating on your spouse, stop living indecently and just stop
sinning. You know what’s right, what’s wrong and if you don’t, read
the words of FIRE! Burn away the chaff and leave only perfection.
Turn back your being and be reborn, now, today, make your life a
living offering to Yahweh and stop serving nonsense:
2Pe 2:18 For speaking arrogant nonsense, they entice – through the
lusts of the flesh, through indecencies – the ones who have indeed
escaped from those living in delusion,
Stop deluding yourself with mental weakness.
19 promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of
corruption – for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him.
Has anybody promised you freedom to sin that you should negotiate
within your own mind? Burn it away and be done with it. Let the fire
of the word of Yahweh consume the chaff.
2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world
through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Yehoshua Messiah, they
are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for
them than the first.
The ditch we dig by our sins only grows deeper until we can’t escape,
so don’t start digging and if you have been, stop, climb out and have
a look at yourself and your life.
2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the
way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart
command delivered unto them.
We battle everyday with flesh and bones and don’t let anybody tell you
otherwise... The battle of lust and indecency has overtaken many in
the ministry because they have negotiated with darkness and you, dear
reader are non-negotiable, a prized possession and a treasured set
apart people having been bought by Yahweh.
Set yourself apart and abhor sin. Don’t run from it, tackle it head
on and stop it in your being. Confront it with the strength of Yahweh
and you shall overcome. Guard his words and he will raise his shield
for you. Practice righteousness and he will fight for you. Guard his
commands and he will save you. Find your MINISTRY OF STRENGTH.
Psa 23:1 Yahweh is my shepherd; I do not lack.
Psa 23:2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside
still waters.
Psa 23:3 He turns back1 my being; He leads me in paths of
righteousness For His Name’s sake. Footnote: 1Or He converts.
Psa 23:4 When I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear
no evil. For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort
me.
Psa 23:5 You spread before me a table in the face of my enemies; You
have anointed my head with oil; My cup runs over.
Psa 23:6 Only goodness and kindness follow me All the days of my life;
And I shall dwell in the House of Yahweh, To the length of days!
I hope you will take some time to make your own ministry of strength
post and share it with me.
Shalom,
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Ike E 10/29/09
> Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
> women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
I didn't say that.
I said...
1) Jesus said the ALL THE LAW and the prophets will stand until the passing
of the heaven and earth.
2) YOU keep lying and trying to reduce your alleged list of "commandments"
which Christians' allegedly have to keep to "the 10 Commandments." Jesus did
NOT say "the 10 Commandments," Jesus said ALL THE LAW and THE PROPHETS.
3) So, YOU, in your Gospel-killing lies, say that one has to keep the law,
and one of the laws is THAT WOMEN CAN'T PREACH OR TEACH THE WORD.
[snip]
> Ike has been harassing me for four years...
And how long have YOU been harassing the BELIEVERS with your LEGALISTIC,
PHARISAICAL, GNOSTIC, ESSENE, EBIONITE Paul-and-Jesus-bashing LIES?
[snip]
> Snowjob has called me a whore...
That's for sure--you play the whore with every heresy there is EXCEPT
ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN BELIEF.
> and a murderer...
Well, anyone who listened to your lies would find themselves in eternal
damnation, so yes, the descriptor "murderer" would fit.
[snip the rest of the cry-baby's whining]
Ike
Ike E 10/29/09
>> Ike
> You're a liar and a pig.
Pr 20:2-3 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the
understanding of a man; I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of
the holy.
And yet we "pigs" STILL know the Word of Truth which you refuse to accept.
Ike
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:407c5417-95f7-4205...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Ike
> > You're a liar and a pig.
>
> Pr 20:2-3 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the
> understanding of a man; I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of
> the holy.
That is SO true; you have zero wisdom or knowledge of the holy. Glad
to see you admit it.
>
> And yet we "pigs" STILL know the Word of Truth which you refuse to accept.
What a LIAR and hypocrite you are. What "Word of Truth" does your
buddy Snowjob have? Snowjob, one of you three little pigs, denies
Christ was anything except another Hebrew prophet, and he wouldn't
know the truth if it bit him, which it surely will. You never tire of
lying, do you?
Snowjob: "Christians refuse to acknowledge that Messiah was only a
prophet with the spirit of Yahweh". - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/f15309b6dab272c6
Snowjob has NO CONCEPT of the anointed Messiah and Saviour whatsoever,
but that's okay with you because at heart you are just a lying
hypocrite and a male chauvinist pig.
Snowjob teaches adherence to the Ten Commandments, a "crime" for which
you brand me a "whore" and a "murderer", but it's okay with you that
your buddy Snowjob teaches that because at heart you are just a lying
hypocrite and a male chauvinist pig.
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob really care about
or believe what you preach.
>
> Lying Ike
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:293bf1c6-5de4-45d0...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
> > women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
>
> I didn't say that.
>
> I said...
You SAID a bunch of lying crap.
>
> 1) Jesus said the ALL THE LAW and the prophets will stand until the passing
> of the heaven and earth.
You don't even know what he meant by that, false prophet.
Here the Messiah is speaking of all of the PROPHECIES CONCERNING HIM
in "the law of Moses" (obviously meaning the five books of Moses, the
Pentateuch since he then lists "in the prophets, and in the psalms"
i.e. the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures:
Luke 24:44 "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake
unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written in the LAW OF MOSES, and in the prophets, and in
the psalms, CONCERNING ME".
Even you, as crazy as you are, cannot claim the Messiah adhered to all
the laws of Moses which included stoning to death everyone who didn't
obey the Sabbath and many other things PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.
The Messiah was speaking of the Ten Commandments and was NOT talking
about the 613 statutes of "the law of Moses" in ANY of the following
verses:
Where are the 613 statutes of the Law of Moses in any of the
following, liar?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH
ALL THY HEART, AND WITH ALL THY SOUL, AND WITH ALL THY MIND.
Mat 22:38 THIS IS THE FIRST AND GREAT COMMANDMENT.
MAT 22:39 AND THE SECOND IS LIKE UNTO IT, THOU SHALT LOVE THY
NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.
MAT 22:40 ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE
PROPHETS.
Is it loving thy neighbor to stone them to death because they traveled
on the Sabbath as in the 613 statutes of the law of Moses? No, it is
to obey the Ten Commandments that have to do with how you treat your
fellow man. You're just a false teacher.
HERE the Messiah again tells you exactly what is "the law and the
prophets" (IT IS TO TREAT MEN AS YOU'D BE TREATED, IN OTHER WORDS
DON'T KILL THEM, DON'T STEAL FROM THEM, ETC., - OBEY THE TEN
COMMANDMENTS):
Mat 7:12 Therefore ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER YE WOULD THAT MEN SHOULD DO
TO YOU, DO YE EVEN SO TO THEM: for THIS IS THE LAW and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and
broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which
go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which
leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
You're just a FALSE PROPHET, denying the law of the Ten Commandments,
which the Messiah repeatedly taught must be obeyed to avoid damnation.
And your sheep's clothing has lots of holes in it, wolf.
Here is NOTHING about the 613 statutes of the law of Moses when the
Messiah tells us how to obtain eternal life (and yet he lists some of
the Ten Commandments having to do with how we are to treat our fellow
man, which he sums up elsewhere as loving thy neighbor as yourself):
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is
none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life,
keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no
murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou
shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept
from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
And here again is NOTHING about the 613 statutes of the law of Moses
when James tells you what is the "royal law" (and yet AGAIN, James
lists some of the Ten Commandments having to do with how we are to
treat our fellow man, which he also sums up as loving thy neighbor as
yourself):
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou
shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are
convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in
one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not
kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art
become a transgressor of the law.
Where are the 613 statutes of the Law of Moses in that, liar?
>
> 2) YOU keep lying and trying to reduce your alleged list of "commandments"
> which Christians' allegedly have to keep to "the 10 Commandments." Jesus did
> NOT say "the 10 Commandments," Jesus said ALL THE LAW and THE PROPHETS.
>
> 3) So, YOU, in your Gospel-killing lies, say that one has to keep the law,
> and one of the laws is THAT WOMEN CAN'T PREACH OR TEACH THE WORD.
>
As usual you lie, you crazy old hypocrite. The Messiah taught the
keeping the Ten Commandments (Matt. 19:16-21 where he lists many of
them except for those having to do with worshipping God which is
covered by his admonition to "follow me".)
And there is nothing in the Ten Commandments about women preaching or
teaching the Word. And no wonder you don't want women to teach,
because you teach a LIE that will lead many to "destruction"/damnation
(Matt. 7:12-15 - see above).
You just like to deny the Messiah taught to keep the Ten Commandments
because you want a license to sin and want to continue to be the lying
hypocrite that you are and lead others to join you in damnation by
listening to your false teachings.
> [snip]
>
> > Ike has been harassing me for four years...
>
> And how long have YOU been harassing the BELIEVERS with your LEGALISTIC,
> PHARISAICAL, GNOSTIC, ESSENE, EBIONITE Paul-and-Jesus-bashing LIES?
That is true of your buddy Snowjob, hypocrite.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Snowjob has called me a whore...
>
> That's for sure--you play the whore with every heresy there is EXCEPT
> ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN BELIEF.
Then you're the "whore" and heretic, hypocritical Lying Ike, denying
the teachings of the Messiah, deleting the books of II Peter and Jude
from the New Testament accepted by Orthodox Christian Belief for
thousands of years, and denying the Messiah's teachings that the Ten
Commandments must be obeyed in order to obtain eternal life.
>
> > and a murderer...
>
> Well, anyone who listened to your lies would find themselves in eternal
> damnation, so yes, the descriptor "murderer" would fit.
Snowjob called me "murderer" repeatedly when he found out I'd voted
for President Obama, a "crime" from which he totally exonerate his
buddy Rod. It had nothing to do with religion and everything to do
with him denying me the right to vote as I chose.
>
> [snip the rest of the cry-baby's whining]
You ARE a pig.
>
> Lying Ike
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob really care about
or believe what you preach.
You Ike lie about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the
Rod
> On Nov 1, 12:19 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 10:06 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> LindaLeewrote:
>>>>> On Oct 30, 10:41 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Lying Ike
>>>>> You're a liar and a pig.
>>>> This is real Christ like of you, calling him a pig...and you whine
>>>> because Snow labeled you a whore....
>>> Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
>>> women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
>>> And it is real Christ-like of you to join in with Snowjob and Ike in
>>> harassing me since last August.
>> Has it been that long ? Wow..time sure flies by, doesn't it ? You just
>> got back what you handed out, and may I bring to your attention the
>> fact that you didn't like it !!!!!
>
>
> Pretend all you like, I did not 'start it' with Snowjob, so he is
> getting back what HE "handed out". Same with you Rod, you started
> criticizing me first.
THAT would be a lie. This whole hatefest began when you returned to
find me getting along with Snow. You then began takes chunks out of me
for that. I have the post, so you'd better recant or you'll be seeing it
real soon.
> I guess you didn't like it either when you got
> back what you "handed out". Well, I was just trying to help you...
> (where did I learn that one, oh it was from Snowjob and you).
I mind lies like the one above this paragraph.
>
>>> Ike has been harassing me for four
>>> years and Snowjob for a year.
>> I'd think he'd be tried by this time...I am.
>
> It's his nature; no strain.
Just like you, huh...
>
>> Snowjob has called me a whore and a
>>
>>> murderer, you and Snowjob have both called me a lesbian
>> Excuse me....I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian...there is a
>> small matter of fact to deal with...you took yourself down the road
>> from MAY BE to AM, not me. I saw your post where you denied it, and
>> you would know so I believe you.
>
>
> I suspect you MAY be a homosexual, that's okay for me to say here,
> isn't it? Just going by your rules.
Well yea! But you base that conclusion on...what exactly?
>
>>> and all three
>>> of you have called me Jezebel,
>> Stop acting a like one.
>
>
> You don't even know what a jezebel is.
True...but I've never made it a point to hang around sluts...
and since snow is truthful I can safely assume that your actions
resemble one. Of course, I can always go look it up somewhere,
but my interest in knowing the darker side of life just isn't there.
>
>>> But that's ALL
>>> okay, isn't it Rod? As long as YOU are treated alright and Snowjob
>>> pats you on the back for voting for Obama and hounds me for two months
>>> calling me a murderer because I voted for Obama, that is all okay,
>>> isn't it Rod?
Yes. It is always good to be truthful Linda, you should try it
sometime.
>> Are you going to afford an opportunity for me to answer, or plant
>> words in my mouth ?
>
>
> You have already made it known that it IS okay with you so you have no
> answer for that. At least not one that would be truthful or make
> sense.
I said yes above...how much simpler does it need to be before
you are able to understand ?
>
> Perhaps you being a MAN (although MAYBE a homosexual one as I
> suspect), can give me, a little woman who just might not be able to
> fathom such deep issues, an answer to the following question I posed
> to Snowjob:
Why must I ? You've already demonstrated that you have a hard time
coming to grips with one word answers! How are you going to handle
something a little harder with any degree of success ?
>
> "P.S. Snowjob, one more thing, Rod's nic is obviously a male one and
> mine is obviously a female one, so if you are not a male chauvinist
> pig I would like to know why you accept Rod's political beliefs in
> voting for Obama and his Christian belief while you have tried to
> control mine (also Christian, also voting for Obama) with condemnation
> and harassment? "
>
> So why do you think you are afforded the right to your own political
> and religious beliefs and I am not if the issue is not sexism with
> Snowjob?
No one is stopping you Linda. They may not want to see it in print
or refuse to read it, but here you are blasting away...!
> Or do you just not care, because it's alright with you since
> your rights aren't being called into question. May I remind you that
> in America, and I am an American, both men AND WOMEN have the rights
> to religious and political FREEDOM. Or don't you believe in that
> either?
Women have rights now ?!??! Surely, such a travesty has never
occurred ?? What will it be next, I wonder ? Wanting to drive
and wear pants ?? Equal pay ??...and the vote ?? Surely, all
the things I've mention above are desires born of to much drug
use!
> Or does it just apply to men?
See above.
>
>>> That also smacks of male chauvinism. You're as
>>> hypocritical as he is.
See above.
>>> Some people are manipulators and some people are easily manipulated by
>>> insincere kind words. I'll let you figure out where Snowjob and you
>>> fit in that.
>> What a horrible accusation to make! How long have you been brewing
>> this one up ?
>
>
> Needy insecure people are easily manipulated. I've been saying
> Snowjob's a manipulator for a year; that and his hypocrisy is why he
> is so annoying.
>
>
>> You need to get it thru your head that if you showed even a mediocre
>> amount of kindness it would find it's way home to you. But naturally,
>> you have to see just how nasty and mean you can be on usenet, just
>> like some of the worst here, you have to see just how far you can push
>> it.
>
> Ike, Snowjob, and YOU all started the CRAP with me. I didn't start it
> with any of you, so quit being a HYPOCRITE.
I can't speak for the others, but if you hadn't dressed me down for
being on good terms with snow, I would still be on your case about
defaming him. But, you DID begin it with me, so stop playing the poor
abused Linda and be honest for once. I'm not asking you to kill
yourself, although you've gone so long without being honest that it
may drive your system into shock from trying to be...
>
>> I'd like nothing better to be good to you, but I'm not going to stay
>> silent while you are rampaging across the group posting trash like
>> the crap on this page!
>>
>> If you think I should then you ARE insane.
>
> There you go again. Psycho.
I see your head has gone back to spinning counter clockwise and
puking up green goo again......
There is no talking with you when you get like this....
>
>>
>>
>>> I refuse to waste the time it takes to engage in trading insults with
>>> you three any longer,
>> BUT, YOU ARE DOING IT NOW!!!!!
>
>
>
> And I am now tempted to post the 'standard response' to you; instead,
> I will take the time to say the following. If you feel the need to
> respond with your usual double-standard accusations, names, and
> falsehoods, I think I will just post the 'standard response'.
Oh ? So you're going to spam me, huh ? Thats nice, really! Tons of
lies and accusations, all in one neat little bundle.
>
>
> Your buddy Snowjob is the supreme hypocrite and you're running a close
> second.
I'm not as tall, with a 29 inch inseam. I have to run to keep up.
>
> Don't pretend I started the hostilities with Snowjob; he did. Because
> of that his statements to you in the following got the following
> response from me.
Snow is making it a point to avoid you, and he has been attempting
to get this across to you for a very long time. He doesn't want to
post to you, or have ANY contact with you, yet you INSIST on posting
to him by spamming him with accusations and insults, and then you
WHINE and CRY when he reaches his endurance and LETS you have it!
You have made no attempts to end this, and in fact you have TRIED
to escalate it. You Linda, are the worst kind of liar. I'm witness
to this whole thing, I've seen Snows responses to you pleading with
you to stop, and you keep right on posting your crap to him trying to
incite a response.
You're pathetic, almost as messed up a person as I can remember
seeing.
>
> Snowjob:
>> You must
>> realize the aggressors here will attack you for a belief.
>
> Me:
> Why do you try to exempt yourself as one of these aggressors when you
> have attacked me repeatedly labeling me a murderer for at least two
> months because I voted for Obama, and calling me a whore repeatedly
> because I refused to quit using the KJV Bible and the words Lord, God,
> and Holy as you had demanded I do? And you wonder WHY I call you a
> hypocrite. LOL.
Snow has apologized to you and YOU refused to accept it, then you
continued CRYING and GROANING about not getting an apology AND about
snow losing his patience with you and letting you have it back! I'm
pretty sure that what I've described above defines what an idiot is, but
I'll just check with Merriam Websters to be safe...
Stay right here...I'll be right back................................
......................................................................
......................................................................
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......................................................................
.....
Yup! I was right...
Rod
> P.S. Rod, yes, you all three are psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
> pigs who think a woman should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
> and must keep silence about them (Ike); must hold the religious and
> political beliefs demanded of them (Snowjob); and must roll over and
> accept the insults directed at them without saying anything back
> (hypocritical you).
This is a product of your paranoia, a lie, nothing more. You
obviously have some issues.
Linda Lee
You're a liar, which Ike just proved when he claimed Snowjob knows the
"Word of Truth", and which Snowjob just proved excusing you for voting
for Obama while branding me a "murderer" for it.
Linda Lee
You're a liar Rod.
"Linda Lee wrote:
> On Aug 15, 11:23 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 11:06 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Is there a process whereby ordinary people may update this FAQ?
>>>> Will it be posted on a regular basis?
>>>> Might I be allowed to host it on my website?
>>> You can update and edit this highly informative FAQ any time. I think it
>>> could do with a little editing and be improved. But I would not post it
>>> on a website - do not ask me why.
[Snowjob attacks Vera with his usual allegation against Christians and
females, insisting she submit to Mark T's assaults, and lying that she
was attacking Mark T in this post. Snowjob wrote]:
>> So, this is how you represent "Jesus" to the world by going around
>> attacking people. What does the scriptures say?
>> Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do
>> to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
>> Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
>> you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
>> despitefully use you, and persecute you;
>> You claim to love the Messiah and then ignore his teachings and spend
>> your life spreading rumors, lies and tale bearing, I'm disgusted with
>> you Vera.
>> Stop it now. If Mark behaves like a buffoon, it behooves you to set
>> the higher standard in the name of your higher calling. The only
>> thing you are demonstrating to everybody is just how petty, quick to
>> judgment and evil Christians can be...
>> Your better then this Vera.
[Linda Lee wrote to Snowjob]:
> What a judgmental hypocrite you are.
[And you Rod went on the attack here:]
It doesn't read that way to me, and I'm not offended by hearing the
truth because I feel towards Mark much like Vera does. What snow
has
said is true, but in the same instance much of what Vera has said
about Mark is also true, and i can sympathize with her where Mark is
concerned, but it doesn't mean I'm always right in saying
something.
Lets take you for example; you're a bitter, hateful wretch if ever
there was one. You like to lay others low with the truth but you raise
a crap storm when someone does you the same way.
YOU suck, Linda."
From - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/1b1aedb7ede54ec9
>
> > I guess you didn't like it either when you got
> > back what you "handed out". Well, I was just trying to help you...
> > (where did I learn that one, oh it was from Snowjob and you).
>
> I mind lies like the one above this paragraph.
I do not lie about you three; you're all so hypocritical and false
there is plenty to complain about, and I also "mind lies" like you lie
that you do, and you and your other two little pigs tell with them
with every post.
If you had any belief in the truth of the Scriptures, you would not
dare lie like you do: Rev. 21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving,
and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which
burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
>
>
>
> >>> Ike has been harassing me for four
> >>> years and Snowjob for a year.
> >> I'd think he'd be tried by this time...I am.
>
> > It's his nature; no strain.
>
> Just like you, huh...
>
>
>
> >> Snowjob has called me a whore and a
>
> >>> murderer, you and Snowjob have both called me a lesbian
> >> Excuse me....I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian...there is a
> >> small matter of fact to deal with...you took yourself down the road
> >> from MAY BE to AM, not me. I saw your post where you denied it, and
> >> you would know so I believe you.
>
> > I suspect you MAY be a homosexual, that's okay for me to say here,
> > isn't it? Just going by your rules.
>
> Well yea! But you base that conclusion on...what exactly?
Why the same thing you base your suspicion you have that I am a
lesbian. And what "conclusion"? I said I "suspect" just like you said
here: "I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian", hypocrite.
What was it that person called you once, "paranoid psychotic"? (This
again is an example of your games, like when you asked me what was the
name Snowjob called me, "Jezebel?" when you knew exactly what he said
and use that little ploy to call names and then deny doing so.
>
>
>
> >>> and all three
> >>> of you have called me Jezebel,
> >> Stop acting a like one.
>
> > You don't even know what a jezebel is.
>
> True...but I've never made it a point to hang around sluts...
> and since snow is truthful I can safely assume that your actions
> resemble one. Of course, I can always go look it up somewhere,
> but my interest in knowing the darker side of life just isn't there.
Now it's "slut". You really are a pig and certainly no Christian. And
"snow is truthful" (your biggest lie yet).
>
>
>
> >>> But that's ALL
> >>> okay, isn't it Rod? As long as YOU are treated alright and Snowjob
> >>> pats you on the back for voting for Obama and hounds me for two months
> >>> calling me a murderer because I voted for Obama, that is all okay,
> >>> isn't it Rod?
>
> Yes. It is always good to be truthful Linda, you should try it
> sometime.
That was a nonsense response, hypocrite. How psycho are you?
>
> >> Are you going to afford an opportunity for me to answer, or plant
> >> words in my mouth ?
>
> > You have already made it known that it IS okay with you so you have no
> > answer for that. At least not one that would be truthful or make
> > sense.
>
> I said yes above...how much simpler does it need to be before
> you are able to understand ?
I already knew you were a lying hypocrite, so I already understood.
>
>
>
> > Perhaps you being a MAN (although MAYBE a homosexual one as I
> > suspect), can give me, a little woman who just might not be able to
> > fathom such deep issues, an answer to the following question I posed
> > to Snowjob:
>
> Why must I ? You've already demonstrated that you have a hard time
> coming to grips with one word answers! How are you going to handle
> something a little harder with any degree of success ?
You have no answers for yours and your buddies evil lies; all you have
are mindless insults.
You're delusional.
> I'm not asking you to kill
> yourself, although you've gone so long without being honest that it
> may drive your system into shock from trying to be...
>
>
>
> >> I'd like nothing better to be good to you, but I'm not going to stay
> >> silent while you are rampaging across the group posting trash like
> >> the crap on this page!
>
> >> If you think I should then you ARE insane.
>
> > There you go again. Psycho.
>
> I see your head has gone back to spinning counter clockwise and
> puking up green goo again......
>
> There is no talking with you when you get like this....
>
>
>
> >>> I refuse to waste the time it takes to engage in trading insults with
> >>> you three any longer,
> >> BUT, YOU ARE DOING IT NOW!!!!!
>
> > And I am now tempted to post the 'standard response' to you; instead,
> > I will take the time to say the following. If you feel the need to
> > respond with your usual double-standard accusations, names, and
> > falsehoods, I think I will just post the 'standard response'.
>
> Oh ? So you're going to spam me, huh ? Thats nice, really! Tons of
> lies and accusations, all in one neat little bundle.
Nothing I've said about you or your male chauvinist pig buddies is a
lie, which you prove more and more every day.
>
>
>
> > Your buddy Snowjob is the supreme hypocrite and you're running a close
> > second.
>
> I'm not as tall, with a 29 inch inseam. I have to run to keep up.
>
>
>
> > Don't pretend I started the hostilities with Snowjob; he did. Because
> > of that his statements to you in the following got the following
> > response from me.
>
> Snow is making it a point to avoid you, and he has been attempting
> to get this across to you for a very long time. He doesn't want to
> post to you, or have ANY contact with you, yet you INSIST on posting
> to him by spamming him with accusations and insults, and then you
> WHINE and CRY when he reaches his endurance and LETS you have it!
>
> You have made no attempts to end this, and in fact you have TRIED
> to escalate it. You Linda, are the worst kind of liar. I'm witness
> to this whole thing, I've seen Snows responses to you pleading with
> you to stop, and you keep right on posting your crap to him trying to
> incite a response.
>
> You're pathetic, almost as messed up a person as I can remember
> seeing.
More of your lies; Snowjob posted to me in three threads I started
this week, where he was not mentioned nor posted to, in order to call
me Jezebel witch.
Snowjob didn't need to train you in his "Excellent thoughts" of how to
accuse others of your own sins:
Snowjob says to Rod, "You will find it is a common tactic to accuse
other people of the very thing you are guilty of... Excellent
thoughts." -
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/0adfc17f981beec2
You already knew his technique well. All you two do is lie. It is
disgusting, and evidence you're children of the Devil:
John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a
lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
<snip the rest of psychotic Rod's lying garbage.>
>
>
>
> > Snowjob:
> >> You must
> >> realize the aggressors here will attack you for a belief.
>
> > Me:
> > Why do you try to exempt yourself as one of these aggressors when you
> > have attacked me repeatedly labeling me a murderer for at least two
> > months because I voted for Obama, and calling me a whore repeatedly
> > because I refused to quit using the KJV Bible and the words Lord, God,
> > and Holy as you had demanded I do? And you wonder WHY I call you a
> > hypocrite. LOL.
>
> Snow has apologized to you and YOU refused to accept it, then you
> continued CRYING and GROANING about not getting an apology AND about
> snow losing his patience with you and letting you have it back! I'm
> pretty sure that what I've described above defines what an idiot is, but
> I'll just check with Merriam Websters to be safe...
>
> Stay right here...I'll be right back................................
> ......................................................................
> ......................................................................
> ......................................................................
> ......................................................................
> ......................................................................
> .....
>
> Yup! I was right...
You're worthless. Back to the standard response for you:
Rod (aka “Psychotic Sewer Imp”),
You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
hater on these boards, calling them names and then claiming they are
not Christians when they argue with you. You've found a kindred soul
in Snowjob (aka guardian Snow) the antichrist hypocrite. It has been
Snowjob's habit to pretend friendliness towards Christians, to hand
out false compliments, and then to begin to criticize them and their
entire belief system, calling them names while condemning them for
failing to love him, their sworn enemy. Snowjob has done this with me
and others, including Vera Six whom you hate.
When you began posting to me and e-mailing me with your claim of
having had a supernatural experience, several Christian posters warned
me that you had pretended the same with them, feigned friendliness,
and then had gone on the attack. I took a 'wait and see' attitude with
you. I waited, and now I see; they were right.
You've judged me as “insane” for not accepting the apologies of a
person (Snowjob) who repeatedly attacked and then apologized. This
went on for months. He'd repeatedly call me a “whore” because I
refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy and
Lord as he had insisted, and a “murderer” after he found out I had
voted for President Obama, and then brand me as unforgiving if I would
not accept his apologies as valid; I'd accept his apology, then he'd
insult me again, often within minutes in another thread.
You all three are hypocritical psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
pigs who demand women should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
and must keep silence about them (Ike); demand women must hold the
religious and political beliefs dictated to them while allowing other
men the right to form their own beliefs (hypocritical Snowjob); and
demand women must roll over and wordlessly accept the insults directed
at them without saying anything back (hypocritical you). You all three
started the name-calling with me, and now you and Snowjob pretend you
are innocent victims and are only retaliating to being called names.
Since it is your tactic to hypocritically attempt to justify your
buddies (Snowjob and Ike) and your own name-calling, the three of you
calling me lesbian, whore, murderer, witch, Jezebel, slut, and other
names (both you and Snowjob saying you are doing so to “help” the
person) and to put on a false front as some kind of holy men when
you're not calling people names, lying about what you have done,
you're as insane and evil as they are. You and your male chauvinist
buddy Snowjob are both simply anti-Christian trolls and trouble-making
Rod
> On Nov 1, 10:38 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> P.S. Rod, yes, you all three are psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
>>> pigs who think a woman should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
>>> and must keep silence about them (Ike); must hold the religious and
>>> political beliefs demanded of them (Snowjob); and must roll over and
>>> accept the insults directed at them without saying anything back
>>> (hypocritical you).
>> This is a product of your paranoia, a lie, nothing more. You
>> obviously have some issues.
>
>
> You're a liar, which Ike just proved when he claimed Snowjob knows the
> "Word of Truth",
Really ???!? That is really earth shattering knowledge their Linda,
after four years (?) of you billing Ike as "lying Ike", his word
suddenly becomes "reliable" for the sake of your post!!!! Wow! You've
justified Ike in the last what...24 hours or less ???
Oh..look...suddenly Ike is no longer considered a liar, and he gets
a reprieve!!
How thoughtful of you...I'm sure Ike will appreciate that!!
> and which Snowjob just proved excusing you for voting
> for Obama while branding me a "murderer" for it.
Would snow excusing me make any difference to YHVH ? Snow hasn't
excused me Linda. I don't see you as a murderer, and I disagree
with that position, but it IS something that will have to be decided
by YHVH as snow's position is based on the scriptures as far as I can
tell.
guardian Snow
> ......................................................................
> .....
>
> Yup! I was right...
Seems the only thing left to do is simply ignore it and be the
peaceful warrior. What kind of things do you love? What makes you
passionate?
Linda Lee
>
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Ike really care about or
believe what you preach.
Ike lies about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the deity
of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts you Snowjob whom he knows DOES deny the deity
of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must obey
the Ten Commandments of our own will.
You, like the hypocritical little satan that you are, accuse
Christians daily, whining about others' treatment of you while you
mistreat them being your favorite past-time, calling them names and
judging them that they are judgmental of others, yet you exempt your
buddy, the self-professed Christian Ike, who is as judgmental as they
come and adds to that fault by repeatedly and deliberately giving
false witness about others, lying about what others believe and
attacking them on a daily basis, calling everyone filthy names. Then
you put on your halo and repeatedly lie that you are tolerant of
others' views, yet you began repeatedly calling me “Whore” when I
refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy and
Lord, as you had insisted I do, and calling me “Murderer” when you
found out I had voted for President Obama.
So Snowjob, continue to call me "Whore", “murderer”, “Jezebel witch”,
and "Lesbian" all you like; I still will not renounce Christ as God
incarnate as you insist I do, and I will continue to use the KJV Bible
and the words God, LORD, and Holy regardless of your repeated demands
I stop. As always, YOU LIE about what I believe about Christ and the
Scriptures and everything else connected with God.
You definitely have mental problems evidenced by your compulsive
lying. You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone
Linda Lee
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Nov 1, 10:38 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Linda Lee wrote:
> >>> P.S. Rod, yes, you all three are psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
> >>> pigs who think a woman should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
> >>> and must keep silence about them (Ike); must hold the religious and
> >>> political beliefs demanded of them (Snowjob); and must roll over and
> >>> accept the insults directed at them without saying anything back
> >>> (hypocritical you).
> >> This is a product of your paranoia, a lie, nothing more. You
> >> obviously have some issues.
>
> > You're a liar, which Ike just proved when he claimed Snowjob knows the
> > "Word of Truth",
>
> Really ???!? That is really earth shattering knowledge their Linda,
> after four years (?) of you billing Ike as "lying Ike", his word
> suddenly becomes "reliable" for the sake of your post!!!! Wow! You've
> justified Ike in the last what...24 hours or less ???
Ike revealing he really is just a male chauvinist pig doesn't make him
"justified", it just proves you're a liar to claim recognition of it
is "paranoia", just as it is not in your case, one who resorts to
calling "slut" when your lying nature is revealed.
>
> Oh..look...suddenly Ike is no longer considered a liar, and he gets
> a reprieve!!
>
> How thoughtful of you...I'm sure Ike will appreciate that!!
>
> > and which Snowjob just proved excusing you for voting
> > for Obama while branding me a "murderer" for it.
>
> Would snow excusing me make any difference to YHVH ?
You're getting confused; the issue is whether or not you three are
male chauvinist pigs, remember?
> Snow hasn't
> excused me Linda.
Yes he did, saying he respected your decision to vote for Obama. If he
weren't a hypocrite and a male chauvinist pig, he'd also have
respected my decision and my vote, instead of hounding me for over two
months, following me around claiming I was a murderer. Oh, but look
who I'm talking to, you've admitted it's okay for your buddy to hound
people and call names.
> I don't see you as a murderer, and I disagree
> with that position, but it IS something that will have to be decided
> by YHVH as snow's position is based on the scriptures as far as I can
> tell.
Always the hypocrite, aren't you? I guess God will have to decide if
YOU are a murderer for voting for Obama as well. I guess you know what
verdict you can likely expect, since you think Snowjob is right.
People have many reasons for voting for the candidate of their choice,
reasons which most people keep to themselves because of political
fanatics like Snowjob, and whether or not women should keep the right
to have an abortion had nothing to do with my decision to vote for
Obama.
Rod (aka “Psychotic Sewer Imp”),
You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
hater on these boards, calling them names and then claiming they are
not Christians when they argue with you. You've found a kindred soul
in Snowjob (aka guardian Snow) the antichrist hypocrite. It has been
Snowjob's habit to pretend friendliness towards Christians, to hand
out false compliments, and then to begin to criticize them and their
entire belief system, calling them names while condemning them for
failing to love him, their sworn enemy, falsely accusing them of being
liars, and saying he's disgusted with their lies while he lies with
every post. Snowjob has done this with me and others, including Vera
Six whom you hate.
When you began posting to me and e-mailing me with your claim of
having had a supernatural experience, several Christian posters warned
me that you had pretended the same with them, feigned friendliness,
and then had gone on the attack. I took a 'wait and see' attitude with
you. I waited, and now I see; they were right.
You've judged me as “insane” for not accepting the apologies of a
person (Snowjob) who repeatedly attacked and then apologized. This
went on for months. He'd repeatedly call me a “whore” because I
refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy and
Lord as he had insisted, and a “murderer” after he found out I had
voted for President Obama, and then brand me as unforgiving if I would
not accept his apologies as valid; I'd accept his apology, then he'd
insult me again, often within minutes in another thread.
You all three are hypocritical psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
pigs who demand women should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
and must keep silence about them (Ike); demand women must hold the
religious and political beliefs dictated to them while allowing other
men the right to form their own beliefs (hypocritical Snowjob); and
demand women must roll over and wordlessly accept the insults directed
at them without saying anything back (hypocritical you). You all three
started the name-calling with me, and now you and Snowjob pretend you
are innocent victims and are only retaliating to being called names.
Since it is your tactic to hypocritically attempt to justify your
buddies (Snowjob and Ike) and your own name-calling, the three of you
calling me lesbian, whore, murderer, witch, Jezebel, slut, and other
names (both you and Snowjob saying you are doing so to “help” the
person) and to put on a false front as some kind of holy men when
you're not calling people names, lying about what you have done,
you're as insane and evil as they are. You and your male chauvinist
buddy Snowjob are both simply anti-Christian trolls and trouble-making
Rod
No, you're the liar Linda.
Yea, people who give good advice to the moronic usually are labeled
as such, by the moronic...go figure.....
>
>
> [And you Rod went on the attack here:]
> It doesn't read that way to me, and I'm not offended by hearing the
> truth because I feel towards Mark much like Vera does. What snow
> has
> said is true, but in the same instance much of what Vera has said
> about Mark is also true, and i can sympathize with her where Mark is
> concerned, but it doesn't mean I'm always right in saying
> something.
>
> Lets take you for example; you're a bitter, hateful wretch if ever
> there was one. You like to lay others low with the truth but you raise
> a crap storm when someone does you the same way.
>
> YOU suck, Linda."
>
> From - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/1b1aedb7ede54ec9
I spoke the truth, and yet you label me as "going on the attack"!
Oh...the irony....
>
>
>>> I guess you didn't like it either when you got
>>> back what you "handed out". Well, I was just trying to help you...
>>> (where did I learn that one, oh it was from Snowjob and you).
>> I mind lies like the one above this paragraph.
>
>
> I do not lie about you three;
Yea, and pigs have wings and horns.
> you're all so hypocritical and false
> there is plenty to complain about, and I also "mind lies" like you lie
> that you do,
Uh....what ?
and you and your other two little pigs tell with them
> with every post.
Oh look! A bedtime story about the three little pigs...Linda....and
Linda....and Linda. Kind of reminds me of that show that Bob Newhart
had, with the three Darrells on it; Darrell, Darrell, and his other
brother Darrell!!!
>
> If you had any belief in the truth of the Scriptures, you would not
> dare lie like you do:
Plagiarizing is dishonest Linda's....
> Rev. 21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving,
> and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
> and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which
> burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Ike has been harassing me for four
>>>>> years and Snowjob for a year.
>>>> I'd think he'd be tired by this time...I am.
>>> It's his nature; no strain.
>> Just like you, huh...
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Snowjob has called me a whore and a
>>>>> murderer, you and Snowjob have both called me a lesbian
>>>> Excuse me....I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian...there is a
>>>> small matter of fact to deal with...you took yourself down the road
>>>> from MAY BE to AM, not me. I saw your post where you denied it, and
>>>> you would know so I believe you.
>>> I suspect you MAY be a homosexual, that's okay for me to say here,
>>> isn't it? Just going by your rules.
>> Well yea! But you base that conclusion on...what exactly?
>
>
> Why the same thing you base your suspicion you have that I am a
> lesbian.
That can't be, I'm not a female with a hardcore feminist attitude
carrying around a neuroses about being male dominated.
> And what "conclusion"?
Well, I've made on directly above. Go ahead....take a closer look at
it.
> I said I "suspect" just like you said
> here: "I said I suspected you MAY BE a lesbian", hypocrite.
Why do you label me as a hypocrite when you obviously are one ?
>
> What was it that person called you once, "paranoid psychotic"?
Among other less palatable names....
>(This
> again is an example of your games, like when you asked me what was the
> name Snowjob called me, "Jezebel?" when you knew exactly what he said
> and use that little ploy to call names and then deny doing so.
I was mulling it over to see if the name fit...it does.
>
>>
>>
>>>>> and all three
>>>>> of you have called me Jezebel,
>>>> Stop acting a like one.
>>> You don't even know what a jezebel is.
>> True...but I've never made it a point to hang around sluts...
>> and since snow is truthful I can safely assume that your actions
>> resemble one. Of course, I can always go look it up somewhere,
>> but my interest in knowing the darker side of life just isn't there.
>
And besides, snow knows.
>
> Now it's "slut".
No, it's jezebel. All I said was I've never hung around sluts so I
wouldn't know what a Jezebel is, and would be forced to assume that
since snow is truthful it is safe to assume that your actions resemble
those of a jezebel.
It's just like you. I threw that sentence about sluts in there
to test your honesty and your willingness to lie. I gave you the rope
and you hung yourself by putting words in my mouth.
You ARE very dishonest, i just needed a way to prove it!
Rod
> On Nov 1, 2:13 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> On Nov 1, 10:38 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>> P.S. Rod, yes, you all three are psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
>>>>> pigs who think a woman should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
>>>>> and must keep silence about them (Ike); must hold the religious and
>>>>> political beliefs demanded of them (Snowjob); and must roll over and
>>>>> accept the insults directed at them without saying anything back
>>>>> (hypocritical you).
>>>> This is a product of your paranoia, a lie, nothing more. You
>>>> obviously have some issues.
>>> You're a liar, which Ike just proved when he claimed Snowjob knows the
>>> "Word of Truth",
>> Really ???!? That is really earth shattering knowledge their Linda,
>> after four years (?) of you billing Ike as "lying Ike", his word
>> suddenly becomes "reliable" for the sake of your post!!!! Wow! You've
>> justified Ike in the last what...24 hours or less ???
>
> Ike revealing he really is just a male chauvinist pig doesn't make him
> "justified", it just proves you're a liar to claim recognition of it
> is "paranoia", just as it is not in your case, one who resorts to
> calling "slut" when your lying nature is revealed.
Oh...I see. it is a revelation then. Ike suddenly "reveals" his true
nature for the sake of your post.
Okay...got it..(shaking head...((((())))) ..)
>
>> Oh..look...suddenly Ike is no longer considered a liar, and he gets
>> a reprieve!!
>>
>> How thoughtful of you...I'm sure Ike will appreciate that!!
>>
>>> and which Snowjob just proved excusing you for voting
>>> for Obama while branding me a "murderer" for it.
>> Would snow excusing me make any difference to YHVH ?
>
> You're getting confused;
NOT. You are the confused one. The issue is your lying.
the issue is whether or not you three are
> male chauvinist pigs, remember?
No, the issue is your lying.
>
>
>> Snow hasn't
>> excused me Linda.
>
>
> Yes he did, saying he respected your decision to vote for Obama. If he
> weren't a hypocrite and a male chauvinist pig, he'd also have
> respected my decision and my vote, instead of hounding me for over two
> months, following me around claiming I was a murderer. Oh, but look
> who I'm talking to, you've admitted it's okay for your buddy to hound
> people and call names.
>
>
>> I don't see you as a murderer, and I disagree
>> with that position, but it IS something that will have to be decided
>> by YHVH as snow's position is based on the scriptures as far as I can
>> tell.
>
>
> Always the hypocrite, aren't you?
Always whining, aren't you ?? Poor abused and neglected Linda...
> I guess God will have to decide if
> YOU are a murderer for voting for Obama as well. I guess you know what
> verdict you can likely expect, since you think Snowjob is right.
Hey mongoloid...didn't I just say above that I disagree with it ? Is
your brain burnt out on drugs, or what? Try reading for comprehension
next time!
>
> People have many reasons for voting for the candidate of their choice,
> reasons which most people keep to themselves because of political
> fanatics like Snowjob, and whether or not women should keep the right
> to have an abortion had nothing to do with my decision to vote for
> Obama.
As I recall though, the argument was partially over this very thing,
and YOU stood up for their right to choose JUST as I did. Don't be
trying to back peddle away for this with the poor little Linda
routine.
>
> Rod (aka �Psychotic Sewer Imp�),
>
> You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
> hater on these boards,
Ahhh...whats in a name ?
calling them names and then claiming they are
> not Christians when they argue with you.
Sounds like you Linda.
Rod
YHVH, ice cream, the sound of the wind rushing thru the trees,
meatball casserole with biscuits and mushroom gravy, a good nights sleep,
my wife, my dog, silence.
> What makes you
> passionate?
Flying.
Rod
Here is the post, just as I said..and the odd thing is you've made
all kinds of accusations while demanding I accept them as true, but you
have forgotten to furnish any proof.
The proof of your lies is below...
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On Jul 21, 9:39=A0am, Rod <rodeast...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 12:12 am, Rod <rodeast...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> LindaLeewrote:
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >>> The entire Old Testament points to God incarnate at some point in the
> >>> future as the only Saviour, and the NT details the fulfillment of
> >>> those prohesies. =A0Snowjob thinks the only point of the
Scriptures w=
as
> >>> to get man to obey the Ten Commandments, and that is only a small
par=
t
> >>> of their purpose.
> >> =A0 =A0Then fill me in please. I've never refused to listen to
you, bu=
t I
> >> =A0 =A0am refusing to side with either of you, for all that would
acco=
mplish
> >> =A0 =A0is to cause hard feelings and further divide you. Don't ask me.
>
> >>> You are making a grave mistake listening to the ignorant Snowjob.
> >> =A0 =A0I'm the one that is ignorant of many things concerning
YHVH, bu=
t of
> >> this one thing I am not ignorant of, you are WRONG in offending him
> >> by calling him snowjob. I was hoping you would rise above that.
>
> >>> I
> >>> have rarely seen someone as completely confused as he has become.
I a=
m
> >>> sorry for you.
> >> =A0 =A0Don't be. Perhaps it's you and I that need straightened out
as =
well,
> >> =A0 =A0no one has all the answers.
>
> >>> There is no point in me saying anything to you if
> >>> you're going to listen to both of us because we believe entirely
> >>> different things.
> >> =A0 =A0Not so different as you might wish.
>
> >> =A0 =A0Is your advice of so little value put up against his, that
you =
would
> >> =A0 =A0decline to help because he is also helping them ? Do you
think =
I have
> >> =A0 =A0chosen sides in this hate fest because I listen to what he
says=
, or
> >> =A0 =A0that I'm nice to him ?
>
> >> =A0 =A0I listen to him, I read the scriptures and consider their
meani=
ngs
> >> =A0 =A0in the context of the accompanying scriptures. I make my
own de=
cisions
> >> =A0 =A0according to what I have learned, and seek out correction
from =
those
> >> =A0 =A0able to give it.
>
> >> =A0 =A0Why do you constantly violate scripture by calling him
snowjob,=
when
> >> you know scripture better than I ? Is this the way the family of YHVH
> >> =A0 =A0is supposed to act, because I've got to tell you, if this
is wh=
at
> >> =A0 =A0heaven and YHVH are like, then I'm going to do a damned
fast 18=
0
> >> =A0 =A0and you won't see anything but dust of my trail!
>
> >> =A0 =A0Those that seek YHVH are not supposed to act this way. Are
Chri=
stians
> >> =A0 =A0so ignorant that they believe YHVH can't see what they are
doin=
g and
> >> =A0 =A0why ? Or do they believe HIM daft, and He'll just let them
in a=
nyway ?
>
> >> =A0 =A0After what I've seen on usenet of Christian behavior, snow
is o=
ne of
> >> =A0 =A0the more lucid ones that actually knows how to control his
mout=
h. I
> >> =A0 =A0hate myself for being the one that tells you this, but you
don'=
t seem
> >> =A0 =A0to be able to do the same.
>
> >> =A0 =A0You really need to stop pitying me and start some
introspection=
,
> >> =A0 =A0because I've the feeling that you've avoided it for the
longest=
time.
>
> >> =A0 =A0Perhaps this will help you, I hope it does..
>
> >> Mat 18:1 =A0In that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying, Who is
> >> greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
>
> >> Mat 18:2 =A0And he took a little child, and put him in the middle
of t=
hem,
>
> >> Mat 18:3 =A0And said, Truly, I say to you, If you do not have a
change=
of
> >> heart and become like little children, you will not go into the
kingdo=
m
> >> of heaven.
>
> >> Mat 18:4 =A0Whoever, then, will make himself as low as this little
chi=
ld,
> >> the same is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
>
> >> Mat 18:5 =A0And whoever gives honour to one such little child in
my na=
me,
> >> gives honour to me:
>
> >> Mat 18:6 =A0But whoever is a cause of trouble to one of these
little o=
nes
> >> who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have a great stone
> >> fixed to his neck, and to come to his end in the deep sea.
>
> >> --http://70.130.43.228/Extremists.htm
>
> > You do not know what in the hell you're talking about; you've been
> > given a snowjob.
>
> =A0 =A0Actually, he hasn't given me any lines at all. He has just simply
> =A0 =A0quoted scripture and made an attempt to explain it as he
understan=
ds
> =A0 =A0it.
>
> =A0 =A0No lines of crap, no hustles, no accusations, just plain, straight
> =A0 =A0talk.
He talks garbage. He's an antichrist, but that is your stance too,
right? All you do is criticize Christians, as you're doing here. The
posters in ACC warned me about you; and you're doing towards me
exactly what they said you would do. I guess a leopard doesn't chang
his spots.
>
>
>
> > Note this message posted by SNOWJOB where he admits to calling me a
> > whore and a murderer
(fromhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/=
msg/009da46b8888887b
>
> =A0 =A0I have no reason to believe either thing about you. It looks to me
> =A0 =A0as if snow is wrong in accusing you of this, but this is between
> =A0 =A0you and snow. I have read the post and it is an admission to doing
> =A0 =A0this, but he says he was trying to teach you, and I have no idea
> =A0 =A0what he was trying to do, however, how does this make him a false
> =A0 =A0teacher when I have been given no idea what he was trying to
teach=
?
>
> > ), and his excuse was he was being my friend and trying to teach me.
> > He is a TOTAL MORON-FREAK-CONMAN and is as false as they come, and
> > you're foolish to be conned by him.
>
> =A0 =A0As I said above I'll say again;
>
> =A0 =A0he hasn't given me any lines at all. He has just simply
> =A0 =A0quoted scripture and made an attempt to explain it as he
understan=
ds
> =A0 =A0it.
>
> =A0 =A0No lines of crap, no hustles, no accusations, just plain, straight
> =A0 =A0talk.
>
> =A0 =A0You on the other hand are not practicing what you preach; it's
pla=
in
> =A0 =A0that you haven't forgiven him, you still sin by offending him with
> =A0 =A0degrading names like con, conman, snowjob, TOTAL
MORON-FREAK-CONMA=
N,
> =A0 =A0false teacher.
> Yes, he called you a whore and a murderer and it
> doesn't make him right,
How big of you.
> but calling him these things in return doesn't
> exactly make you sinless either.
>
>
>
> > Or maybe you just think his posturing as some kind of holy man (and
> > his denial of Christ) when he's not calling people names makes him a
> > good tool to harass the Christians on ACC... =A0That sounds very
likely=
.
>
> =A0 =A0How would you know what I think, Linda ?
That is your reputation and his practice. You make a good team.
> I don't recall you asking
> =A0 =A0me at any time, but I do recall you trying to tell me just now.
>
> =A0 =A0So, you're able to see the heart of people just as YHVH is; here
> Linda, tell me what I'm thinking about you right now...go ahead..
YOu've already said it is okay with you he calls me a whore and a
murderer, but you don't like me criticizing him. Tough.
>
> --http://70.130.43.228/Extremists.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ike E 10/29/09
On Nov 1, 1:40 am, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:293bf1c6-5de4-45d0...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Ike IS a male chauvinist pig; he reveals that every time he tells me
> > women are not allowed to preach or to speak of the law.
>
> I didn't say that.
>
> I said...
You SAID a bunch of lying crap.
Nope. I said the truth.
1) Jesus said ALL THE LAW.
2) You try to SEPARATE the law from the Ten Commandments when ONE = THE
OTHER.
3) Why? Because first you LIE and say that keeping the commandments are
REQUIRED FOR SALVATION, THEN you BREAK the Commandments by SPEAKING, woman,
revealing that you DON'T KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
<chuckle>
> 1) Jesus said the ALL THE LAW and the prophets will stand until the
> passing
> of the heaven and earth.
> You don't even know what he meant by that, false prophet.
I know PRECISELY what He meant: ALL THE LAW and THE PROPHETS. ALL of it.
What part of "ALL" DON'T YOU GET?
[snip the rest of Jezebel's attempts to play games with the law]
Ike
guardian Snow
> > Seems the only thing left to do is simply ignore it and be the
> > peaceful warrior. What kind of things do you love?
>
> YHVH, ice cream, the sound of the wind rushing thru the trees,
> meatball casserole with biscuits and mushroom gravy, a good nights sleep,
> my wife, my dog, silence.
Sound like a southern boy to me.. All that's missing is Mom, Cherry
Pie and Football. I'm going to let you in on a little secret.. focus
on the things that you love because those are the things that are a
gift to you from YAHWEH and you have earned those gifts.
Do something random for you wife so that she knows just how much she
is appreciated. It doesn't need to be big or even cost money... a
simple walk to the park with a picnic basket you made or since you
like to express yourself, as you demonstrate here.. write her a poem
that rhymes.
If I can stop one heart from breaking,
I shall not live in vain;
If I can ease one life the aching,
Or cool one pain,
Or help one fainting robin
Unto his nest again,
I shall not live in vain.
By Emily Dickinson
Here is a secret, that which you are against weakens you and that
which you are for makes you stronger, so why be against anything? Be
consistent in your goal but flexible in how you approach it.
Take care friend, be blessed and the next time you post a message I
want you to consider this...
Is your post serving YHVH? Are you serving your fellow person? Are
you wisely using the time YAHWEH has granted you or the precious gifts
he has given you which from what I see are many and great... You have
compassion, kindness and true greatness within you.
A atom bomb divides a single atom to make an explosion the equivalent
of 2,000 sticks of dynamite... You body has literally millions of
atoms within it and this should start to give you an idea of the true
power even a single human being has...
Psa 82:3 Give right-ruling to the poor and fatherless, Do right to the
afflicted and needy.
Psa 82:4 Rescue the poor and needy; Deliver them from the hand of the
wrong.
Psa 82:5 They do not know, nor do they understand, They walk about in
darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
> > What makes you
> > passionate?
>
> Flying.
And so you soar with the eagles..
Exo 19:4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Mitsrites, and how I bore
you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself.
Exo 19:5 ‘And now, if you diligently obey My voice, and shall guard My
covenant, then you shall be My treasured possession above all the
peoples – for all the earth is Mine –
Exo 19:6 ‘and you shall be to Me a reign of priests and a set-apart
nation.’ Those are the words which you are to speak to the children of
Yisra’ĕl.”
Thank you for sharing with me... everybody can bring pleasure.. some
when they come and others when they leave:)
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
'Men have forgotten this truth,' said the fox. 'But you must not
forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.'
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the
heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Ike E 10/29/09
[snip]
>> Pr 20:2-3 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the
>> understanding of a man; I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge
>> of
>> the holy.
> That is SO true; you have zero wisdom or knowledge of the holy. Glad
> to see you admit it.
LOL
The point sails right over Jezie's head, as usual. Agur confessed what he
was; but Agur STILL KNEW what was going on, NOT by HUMANISTIC means, but by
SPIRITUAL means.
> And yet we "pigs" STILL know the Word of Truth which you refuse to accept.
> What a LIAR and hypocrite you are.
Nope.
I've told no lies, and the hypocrite who confess that he is a hypocrite is
no longer a hypocrite, i.e.
"If we say we have no sins, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN
US; but if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive our
sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
You are the former.
I strive to be the latter.
[snip]
Ike
Linda Lee
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Idiot,
You claim this is ME starting something with you when it has me saying
"YOu've already said it is okay with you he calls me a whore and a
murderer, but you don't like me criticizing him. Tough." You are an
ass, and a compulsive liar as well, which reveals you as a child of
the Devil.
Rod (aka “Psychotic Sewer Imp”),
You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
hater on these boards, calling them names and then claiming they are
not Christians when they argue with you. You've found a kindred soul
in Snowjob (aka guardian Snow) the antichrist hypocrite. It has been
Snowjob's habit to pretend friendliness towards Christians, to hand
out false compliments, and then to begin to criticize them and their
entire belief system, calling them names while condemning them for
failing to love him, their sworn enemy, falsely accusing them of being
liars, and saying he's disgusted with their lies while he lies with
every post. Snowjob has done this with me and others, including Vera
Six whom you hate.
When you began posting to me and e-mailing me with your claim of
having had a supernatural experience, several Christian posters warned
me that you had pretended the same with them, feigned friendliness,
and then had gone on the attack. I took a 'wait and see' attitude with
you. I waited, and now I see; they were right.
You've judged me as “insane” for not accepting the apologies of a
person (Snowjob) who repeatedly attacked and then apologized. This
went on for months. He'd repeatedly call me a “whore” because I
refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy and
Lord as he had insisted, and a “murderer” after he found out I had
voted for President Obama (and like the male chauvinist hypocrite he
is, he condones you voting for Obama), and then would accuse me of
being unforgiving if I would not accept his apologies as valid; I'd
accept his apology, then he'd insult me again, often within minutes in
another thread.
You all three are hypocritical psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
pigs who demand women should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
and must keep silence about them (Ike); demand women must hold the
religious and political beliefs dictated to them while allowing other
men the right to form their own beliefs (hypocritical Snowjob); and
demand women must roll over and wordlessly accept the insults directed
at them without saying anything back (hypocritical you). You all three
started the name-calling with me, and now you and Snowjob pretend you
are innocent victims and are only retaliating to being called names.
Since it is your tactic to hypocritically attempt to justify your
buddies (Snowjob and Lying Ike) and your own name-calling, the three
of you calling me lesbian, whore, murderer, witch, Jezebel, slut, she
beast, and other names (both you and Snowjob, like the lying asses you
are, saying you are doing so to “help” the person) and to put on a
false front as some kind of holy men when you're not calling people
names, lying about what you have done, you're as insane and evil as
they are. You and your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob are both simply
anti-Christian trolls and trouble-making hypocrites, children of the
Devil, condoning each others' sins and lies while you condemn others.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> I strive to be the latter.
>
> [snip]
>
> Ike
Don't strive... Be better in the present for now is the only time that
we will ever have. Some people in this world do “strive to survive”
but I think they go about it with the wrong mind set. I’ve always
been a firm believer that Yahweh will provide. I didn’t always know
him as Yahweh and use to call him Jesus Christ and God but I’ve always
felt the pull of that “higher power” in my life. It’s important to
point this out because I haven’t been the person that Yahweh wanted me
to be but who’s responsible for that? I am… it was my own fault.
The darkest days of my life were when I slipped into lawlessness by
empty reasoning.
Isa 29:20 For the ruthless one is brought to naught, the scorner is
consumed, and all who watch for evil shall be cut off,
Isa 29:21 those who make a man to sin in word, and lay a snare for him
who reproves in the gate, and turn aside the righteous with empty
reasoning.
When my girlfriend cheated on me, I thought, “Love endures all things”
and I tried to work things out but later, I was angry at her for her
betrayal and things never worked out. In the end, we both went our
separate ways and even today I think fondly of my time with her by
focusing on the lessons she taught me.
Isa 57:18 “I have seen his ways, but now I heal him, and I lead him,
and restore comforts to him and to his mourners, 19 creating the
fruit of the lips: peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who
is near,” said Yahweh, “and I shall heal him.” 20 But the wrong are
like the troubled sea, for it is unable to rest, and its waters cast
up mud and dirt. 21 “There is no peace,” said my Elohim, “for the
wrong.”
No rest for the wicked is the expression and we see here that it’s
scriptural. It made me think that with all the profanity in ATL’s
songs, they were wrong, I was wrong. When we think we are “striving
to survive”, it’s really striving to get one up on somebody else by
domination of some sort.
People do the same thing in religion all the time because the reality
is that they suffer from low self esteem. They go around pointing
fingers at everybody else; they talk about scriptures as a side bar in
the context of my Yahweh is bigger than your Jesus Christ. Here are
the very people, representing the “Prince of Peace”, making web pages
about other people and labeling them, “Web Trolls” or whatever slander
of the day suites. Without shame they go around attacking every
person’s view that dares to post on whatever usenet or google group
they think they own. They slander, call names and any other
reprehensible action they can think of in the name they think is the
Messiah’s.
Well, we all know that he was the “Prince of Peace” and he laid down
rules for peace:
Luk 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of
death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”
Rule #1
Mat 6:6 “But you, when you pray, go into your room, and having shut
your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place. And your
Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.
Anybody knows this one’s a “granted” but let’s not take it for
granted. Pray every day in private that your ministry is effective.
Rule #2
Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged. “For with what judgment
you judge, you shall be judged. And with the same measure you use, it
shall be measured to you.
Rule 2 is a lot more difficult. It can be hard not to judge a person
based on what we see, from the dirty homeless guy to the rich
aristocrat, to the young girl dressed like a “whore”. It’s hard not
to judge a book by the cover.
Rule #3
Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted. 14 “Leave them alone. They
are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both
shall fall into a ditch.”
Don’t waste your time going around talking about who are the false
teachers. They probably think the same about you. The scriptures are
clear, “teaching them to guard all that I have commanded you”. If all
your doing is going around talking about who’s wrong, you’re not
teaching them about the Messiah Yehoshua, your teaching them about
your need to judge others.
Rule #4
Mat 10:12 “And as you enter into a house, greet it.
A more simple instruction but being polite and courteous is a
reflection of your character. Try to learn peoples names and
establish a personal relationship, just like you would with your own
family.
Rule #5
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 “And whoever
does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that house or
city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Rule #6
Mat 10:23 “And when they persecute you in this city, flee to another.
Rule #7
Mat 10:26 “Therefore do not fear them.
Mat 10:28 “And do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to
kill the being.
Mat 10:31 “So do not fear, you are worth more than many sparrows.
Rule #8
Mat 6:1 “Beware of doing your kind deeds before men, in order to be
seen by them.
People resent other people for being better at anything than they are;
it’s just a fact of life.
Rule #9
Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Be forgiving and then you set a good example. Just because somebody
has wronged you, don’t bother gossiping about it, Yahweh hates tale
bearers.
Rule #10
Mat 6:16 “…do not be sad-faced like the hypocrites.
Nobody wants to be around people that look miserable all the time.
Rule #11
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Of course I saved the hardest on for last… always be kind and
compassionate, even to those who hate you and persecute you and stalk
you… So, how can we love those who hate us? By knowing that Yahweh
fights our battles for us.
Isa 54:15 “See, they shall indeed assemble, but not because of Me.
Whoever shall assemble against you falls for your sake!
Love the person but hate the evil that they do, kindness and
compassion must rule over us. And the final rule, if you can’t bring
yourself to love them:
Rule #12
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Hope this inspires a few thoughts.
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
The best way to deal with that is to live in a fully conscious,
compassionate, loving way. Don't wait until you're on your deathbed to
recognize that this is the only way to live.
Morrie Schwartz
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- join
http://www.e-sword.net/ Free bible software
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>
> [snip]
>
> >> Pr 20:2-3 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the
> >> understanding of a man; I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge
> >> of
> >> the holy.
> > That is SO true; you have zero wisdom or knowledge of the holy. Glad
> > to see you admit it.
>
> > What a LIAR and hypocrite you are.
>
> Nope.
>
> I've told no lies, and the hypocrite who confess that he is a hypocrite is
> no longer a hypocrite, i.e.
>
> "If we say we have no sins, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN
> US; but if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive our
> sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
You didn't confess anything, denying you are a liar and hypocrite, so
your sin remains.
>
> You are the former.
>
> I strive to be the latter.
You're a child of the Devil, a false prophet heading for damnation.
Thank God your 'message' is such a mass of confusion you're unlikely
to cause anyone else to join you in Hell.
Psa 92:5 O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very
deep.
Psa 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand
this.
Psa 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the
workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed
for ever
>
> [snip]
>
> Idiot Lying Ike
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob really care about
or believe what you preach.
You Ike lie about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the
deity of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts your buddy Snowjob whom you know DOES deny the
deity of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must
obey the Ten Commandments of our own will.
Like the hypocritical little satan that you are, you repeatedly and
deliberately give false witness about others, lying about what others
believe, attacking them on a daily basis, calling everyone filthy
names while pretending that you are holy, an accusing false prophet
claiming you can sin without compunction. The only ones you seem to
exempt from your daily attacks are your fellow compulsively lying male
chauvinist buddies Snowjob (aka “Dark Man”/“guardian Snow”) and Rod
(aka “Psychotic Sewer Imp”), who join you in accusing Christians
daily, calling them names and hypocritically judging them that they
are judgmental of others.
You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone what
you claim to believe. The only things you two have in common is that
you are both compulsive liars, children of the Devil, control-freak
male chauvinists, and hypocrites who don't really give a damn about
Linda Lee
>
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Ike really care about or
believe what you preach.
Ike lies about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the deity
of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts you Snowjob whom he knows DOES deny the deity
of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must obey
the Ten Commandments of our own will.
You, like the hypocritical little satan that you are, accuse
Christians daily, whining about others' treatment of you while you
mistreat them being your favorite past-time, calling them names and
judging them that they are judgmental of others, yet you exempt your
buddy, the self-professed Christian Ike, who is as judgmental as they
come and adds to that fault by repeatedly and deliberately giving
false witness about others, lying about what others believe and
attacking them on a daily basis, calling everyone filthy names. Then
you put on your manipulative halo and repeatedly lie that you are
tolerant of others' views, yet you began repeatedly calling me “Whore”
when I refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy
and Lord, as you had insisted I do, and calling me “Murderer” when you
found out I had voted for President Obama.
So Snowjob, continue to act the antichrist and to continue to call me
"Whore", “murderer”, “Jezebel witch”, and "Lesbian" all you like; I
still will not renounce Christ as God incarnate as you insist I do,
and I will continue to use the KJV Bible and the words God, LORD, and
Holy regardless of your repeated demands I stop. As always, YOU LIE
about what I believe about Christ and the Scriptures and everything
else connected with God.
You definitely have mental problems evidenced by your compulsive
lying. You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone
what you claim to believe. The only things you two have in common is
that you are both children of the Devil, control-freak male
chauvinists, liars, and hypocrites who don't really give a damn about
guardian Snow
Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
tongues,
Tony Robbins excerpts from "Awaken the Giant Within"
"The truth is that we can learn to condition our minds, bodies, and
emotions to link pain or pleasure to whatever we choose. By changing
what we link pain and pleasure to, we will instantly change our
behaviors. With smoking, for example, all you must do is link enough
pain to smoking and enough pleasure to quitting. You have the ability
to do this right now, but you might not exercise this capability
because you've trained your body to link pleasure to smoking, or you
fear that stopping would be too painful. Yet, if you meet anyone who
has stopped, you will find that this behavior changed in one day: the
day they truly changed what smoking meant to them."
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE, SOMEONE ELSE DOES
............
THE WORDS YOU CONSISTENTLY SELECT WILL SHAPE YOUR DESTINY
Earlier I said that the way we represent things in our minds
determines how we feel about life. A related distinction is that if
you don't have a way of representing something, you can't experience
it. While it may be true that you can picture something without having
a word for it, or you can represent it through sound or sensation,
there's no denying that being able to articulate something gives it
added dimension and substance, and thus a sense of reality. Words are
a basic tool for representing things to ourselves, and often if
there's no word, there's no way to think about the experience. For
example, some Native American languages have no word for "lie"—that
concept is simply not a part of their language. Nor is it a part of
their thinking or behavior. Without a word for it, the concept doesn't
seem to exist. In fact, the Tasaday tribe in the Philippines
reportedly ^as no words for "dislike," "hate" or "war"—what a thought!
Linda Lee
> On Nov 1, 10:04 pm, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:17dcdd3f-662a-4f09...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> > [snip]
>
> > >> Pr 20:2-3 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the
> > >> understanding of a man; I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge
> > >> of
> > >> the holy.
> > > That is SO true; you have zero wisdom or knowledge of the holy. Glad
> > > to see you admit it.
>
> > > And yet we "pigs" STILL know the Word of Truth which you refuse to accept.
> > > What a LIAR and hypocrite you are.
>
> > Nope.
>
> > I've told no lies, and the hypocrite who confess that he is a hypocrite is
> > no longer a hypocrite, i.e.
>
> > "If we say we have no sins, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN
> > US; but if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive our
> > sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
>
> You didn't confess anything, denying you are a liar and hypocrite, so
> your sin remains.
>
Let me get this straight, because of verses like this one:
Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in
themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a
Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I
thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust,
adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I
possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so
much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God
be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified
rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be
abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
...and because of that verse in I John 1:10 you quoted, you think you
can lie and be a hypocrite, and plan on continuing to do so, and you
are forgiven and justified. You neglect to read the preceding verses 6
& 7, which say, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk
in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the
light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and
the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin", so if
you plan on remaining "a sinner", i.e. liar and hypocrite, you are
'walking in darkness' and are not cleansed from all sin.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words
thou shalt be condemned.
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at
all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in
darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
his word is not in us.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 2, 2:04 pm, "Ike E 10/29/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I strive to be the latter.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > Ike
>
> Don't strive... Be better in the present for now is the only time that
> we will ever have.
>
> Rule #2
> Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged. “For with what judgment
> you judge, you shall be judged. And with the same measure you use, it
> shall be measured to you.
>
> Rule 2 is a lot more difficult. It can be hard not to judge a person
> based on what we see, from the dirty homeless guy to the rich
> aristocrat, to the young girl dressed like a “whore”. It’s hard not
> to judge a book by the cover.
Mat 15:7 Ye HYPOCRITES, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and
honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Hypocrites' - Gk. 5273 - "an actor under an assumed character (stage
player) i.e. (figuratively) a dissembler (“hypocrite”)".
...
>
> Rule #9
> Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
>
> Be forgiving and then you set a good example. Just because somebody
> has wronged you, don’t bother gossiping about it, Yahweh hates tale
> bearers.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the HYPOCRITES
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say
unto you, They have their reward.
Hypocrites' - Gk. 5273 - "an actor under an assumed character (stage
player) i.e. (figuratively) a dissembler (“hypocrite”)".
...
>
> Rule #11
> Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
> you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
> persecuting you,
>
> Of course I saved the hardest on for last… always be kind and
> compassionate, even to those who hate you and persecute you and stalk
> you… So, how can we love those who hate us? By knowing that Yahweh
> fights our battles for us.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye
make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with
the HYPOCRITES: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Hypocrites' - Gk. 5273 - "an actor under an assumed character (stage
player) i.e. (figuratively) a dissembler (“hypocrite”)".
Rod
Moron...
You will remember that I said something about your lies..? I'll let
you figure it out, IF you can which is doubtful....
Linda Lee
> and I tried to work things out but later, I was angry at her for her
> betrayal and things never worked out. In the end, we both went our
> separate ways and even today I think fondly of my time with her by
> focusing on the lessons she taught me.
Did you develop your propensity for calling women whores before or
after she "cheated on" you; was it the cause or the result of her
infidelity?
Linda Lee
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Idiot,
>
> > You claim this is ME starting something with you when it has me saying
> > "YOu've already said it is okay with you he calls me a whore and a
> > murderer, but you don't like me criticizing him. Tough."
>
> Moron...
>
> You will remember that I said something about your lies..? I'll let
> you figure it out, IF you can which is doubtful....
You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
Rod
yea...lots of other things as well. So what ? has it reduced the
quality of my life to be known as a troll by a bunch of other trolls ?
Ha ha ha! Not at all.
Have a nice evening Linda.
guardian Snow
> yea...lots of other things as well. So what ? has it reduced the
> quality of my life to be known as a troll by a bunch of other trolls ?
>
> Ha ha ha! Not at all.
>
> Have a nice evening Linda.
Does it make sense to argue with and provoke insane people?
I’ve asked the question, “Do we need a Saviour”? Some people have
just left Messianic.Yehoshua simply because I did not come out
directly and say, “Yes” but then, I was hoping to draw out a deeper
discussion about the topic. The scriptures say:
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to Yahweh of
hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to Yahweh because of the
oppressors, He sends them a Saviour and an Elohim, and shall deliver
them.
“The land of Mitsrayim or Egypt is a land divided, it’s symbolic in
scriptures. Clearly with Red and Blue states in America, the world is
divided. Clearly the world is in need of a Saviour being filled with
war, crime and hate, the dogmatic church calls daily on “Je Zeus” but
never manifest anything by the trinity doctrine.
“Why do you not worship Jesus?” Christians remove the name of YAHWEH
[praise his name] and replace it with LORD and then lay blame on Jews
instead of simply restoring the Sacred name. YAHWEH is the deity of
the Messiah that brought him back from the dead. The Messiah did not
do this of his own:
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am UNABLE to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
He spoke of his deity as his Father. This recognition comes only by
guarding the commands that the Messiah preached and removing the curse
of Deuteronomy 28 in your life that Peter says we are the children of:
2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
children of a curse,
This applied to myself as I spent the vast majority of my life
indoctrinated in Christian trinity dogma. Now because I recognize the
truth, they label me a “cult”, a label I proudly wear.
Jiddu Krishnamurti stated, “It is no measure of health to be well
adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
The sickness are people that believe they can preach a gospel of
lawlessness to make a better society where thieves, murderers and
homosexuals rule in heaven and are forgiven simply because they
believe rather than conform to be like the one they speak of.
They make a deity out of Jesus because without this fatal concept,
they have no excuse to call him their righteousness. He is no longer
the “perfect sacrifice” for their sin and instead is a prophet calling
them to obey the Ten Commandments.
This excuse they have made for their irrational behavior becomes an
ingrained habit that allows them to accuse all others that proclaim
the need to be righteous and follow the example of Yehoshua. For
this reason, they cling to this delusional understanding and then tell
me, “you have not considered the whole council”.
I find this “whole council” idea ironic when the vast majorities
ignore all “old” Covenant scriptures, the Messiah himself who preached
the Ten Commandments and all other authors outside of Paul who they
pick and choose which passages they will obey.
Until ALL PEOPLE, including myself will recognize that they do in fact
still need a Saviour to come and teach them the name of YAHWEH to call
upon in our lost, confused state, we remain without the truth.
YAHWEH is simply a translation and honestly, I do not know for certain
that it is the correct name written in Hebrew as:
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
So.. I am not dogmatic when others say Y’hVah or some of the several
other close translations. The essence of guarding the command is on
my heart. Jews are quick to say that YAHWEH is not the name but on
the other hand, they do not teach his name and simply fail to guard
the command, bring it to naught and call him Adonai (meaning Baal) or
HaShem (meaning “the name”) because they have lost how to actually
pronounce the name of the deity they claim to worship but never
actually make mention of.
In fact... I have scriptural support that says not to call YAHWEH by
anything but his name.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
YAHWEH shall call.
It doesn't say all who call on adonai, all who call on baal, all who
call on elohim... THREE times it tells us to call on the name of
YAHWEH. Is it your desire that men not be saved?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Father’s name.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
This is the ONLY name ever given.
Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.’
One of the names of Baal was G-d.
H1409
גּד
Gawd;g-d
A variation of H1409; Fortune, a Babylonian deity: - that troop.
For some reason it’s translated “that troop” in the KJV. But if we
look at the “variation”:
Notice first that there is NO difference between the two words
characters in Hebrew. Gawd is pronounced god.
Isa 65:11 “But you are those who forsake YAHWEH, who forget My set-
apart mountain, who prepare a table for G-d, and who fill a drink
offering for Meni.
This is the ONLY listing for gawd of furtune in the entire scriptures.
So, next I figure I’ll look into Baal Gad.
H1171
בּעל גּד
ba‛al gd
bah'-al gawd
From H1168 and H1409; Lord of Fortune; Baal G-d, a place in Syria: -
Baal-gad.
Notice again... same characters for Gawd. Interesting that so many
treat this name as if it’s sacred and type G-d. When you consider the
fact that Hebrew doesn’t have vowels, G-d is exactly what is written.
Notice that the name gawd is in fact Gad as recorded as H1409.
Baal’s name is what the world considers a sacred name! No wonder it
says, “In God we trust” on all the money in the United States.
Jos 11:17 from Mount Ḥalaq that goes up to Sĕʽir, and as far as Baʽal
Gaḏ in the Valley of Leḇanon below Mount Ḥermon. And he captured
all their sovereigns, and smote them and killed them.
Jos 11:18 Yehoshua fought with all those sovereigns for a long time.
Yehoshua is also the name of the Messiah! (Zec 6 11-12)
Clearly, we need the Messiah to return and teach us the one true name
of Yahweh that we may call upon to be saved!!!
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Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
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Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Rod
> On Nov 3, 7:51 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> yea...lots of other things as well. So what ? has it reduced the
>> quality of my life to be known as a troll by a bunch of other trolls ?
>>
>> Ha ha ha! Not at all.
>>
>> Have a nice evening Linda.
>
> Does it make sense to argue with and provoke insane people?
Well, I guess the truth would anger them somewhat..but in some
respects that sounds a lot like possession...
guardian Snow
> guardian Snow wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 7:51 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> yea...lots of other things as well. So what ? has it reduced the
> >> quality of my life to be known as a troll by a bunch of other trolls ?
>
> >> Ha ha ha! Not at all.
>
> >> Have a nice evening Linda.
>
> > Does it make sense to argue with and provoke insane people?
>
> Well, I guess the truth would anger them somewhat..but in some
> respects that sounds a lot like possession...
Then wouldn't it make more sense if we simply prayed for her? Clearly
our communication only provokes it more and gives it more fuel for
fodder.
Pro 26:21 As charcoal is to burning coals, and wood to fire, So is a
contentious man to kindle strife.
Pro 26:22 The words of a slanderer are as dainty morsels, Which go
down into the inner parts of the heart.
Ike E 10/29/09
Ike E 10/29/09
[snip]
> You didn't confess anything, denying you are a liar and hypocrite, so
> your sin remains.
No, that would be you, snatching God's Grace out of His Hands because it's
not "sufficient" for YOU.
[snip the rest of the heretic's ramblings]
Ike
Ike E 10/29/09
> can lie...
...I've told no lie...
> and be a hypocrite,
...I've spoken no hypocrisy. But Y0U have...
> and plan on continuing to do so, and you
> are forgiven and justified. You neglect to read the preceding verses 6
> & 7, which say, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk
> in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the
> light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and
> the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin", so if
> you plan on remaining "a sinner", i.e. liar and hypocrite, you are
> 'walking in darkness' and are not cleansed from all sin.
Notice how the fraud attaches "light" and "darkness" to the law.
THE LIGHT = The Gospel of Grace.
THE DARKNESS = fumbling with your OWN way, which is what YOU do.
> Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
> speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
> Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words
> thou shalt be condemned.
Precisely: By THY WORDS, not BY THY WORKS.
And THE WORD is "GRACE.
> 1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
> declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at
> all.
> 1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in
> darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
> 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
> fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
> cleanseth us from all sin.
> 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
> truth is not in us.
> 1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
> our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
> 1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
> his word is not in us.
Precisely.
We confess that we are sinners and rely on the FAITHFULNESS and JUSTICE of
GOD'S GRACE for salvation.
YOU SNATCH IT FROM HIS HANDS because YOU SAY IT'S NOT "SUFFICIENT." THEN YOU
CLAIM TO KEEP THE LAW WHEN YOU CLEARLY DO NOT, CONDEMNING YOURSELF, just
like John wrote.
And you blaspheme everyone along the way with your Pharisaical lies--the
Father, Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, and everyone else involved.
Ike
guardian Snow
> > On Nov 3, 7:51 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> yea...lots of other things as well. So what ? has it reduced the
> >> quality of my life to be known as a troll by a bunch of other trolls ?
>
> >> Ha ha ha! Not at all.
>
> >> Have a nice evening Linda.
>
> > Does it make sense to argue with and provoke insane people?
>
> Well, I guess the truth would anger them somewhat..but in some
> respects that sounds a lot like possession...
Please don't take this wrong because I am so very grateful for the
assistance you have granted me in dealing with a troubling issue.. You
have been a great help for me because sometimes people need a third
perspective... but I've been reading your post and realized that it is
wrong for me to engage this person in any discussion at all.
We can not help a person that does not want our assistance. If you
are on a sinking ship and you offered safety to another person, you
have done the right thing but you can't force the other person to
safety... it's better to seek out those who truly want our assistance.
Tossing more coals on this fire of hatred isn't a solution. Let her
stalk me.. let her say what she must and let her be... In the end the
truth prevails... Ike won't listen to me but you are very
reasonable... let's just have a discussion about the things that bring
joy, happiness and show our faith by our words and our works;)
I am not going to be so arrogant and to think to tell Christians,
“your belief system is wrong”.. Rather, I say to my Christian brother,
“If your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
about what you believe, go put your faith into practice.”
Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> > Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
> > speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
> > Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words
> > thou shalt be condemned.
>
> Precisely: By THY WORDS, not BY THY WORKS.
>
> And THE WORD is "GRACE.
You do make a fascinating case here... thank you for sharing this
thought.
Rod
> On Nov 3, 11:33 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 7:51 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> yea...lots of other things as well. So what ? has it reduced the
>>>> quality of my life to be known as a troll by a bunch of other trolls ?
>>>> Ha ha ha! Not at all.
>>>> Have a nice evening Linda.
>>> Does it make sense to argue with and provoke insane people?
>> Well, I guess the truth would anger them somewhat..but in some
>> respects that sounds a lot like possession...
>
> Please don't take this wrong because I am so very grateful for the
> assistance you have granted me in dealing with a troubling issue.. You
> have been a great help for me because sometimes people need a third
> perspective... but I've been reading your post and realized that it is
> wrong for me to engage this person in any discussion at all.
>
> We can not help a person that does not want our assistance. If you
> are on a sinking ship and you offered safety to another person, you
> have done the right thing but you can't force the other person to
> safety... it's better to seek out those who truly want our assistance.
Love sometimes demands sacrifice. The Father broke down the gates of
hell for love, should we do less ?
Have a nice evening snow!
guardian Snow
> > We can not help a person that does not want our assistance. If you
> > are on a sinking ship and you offered safety to another person, you
> > have done the right thing but you can't force the other person to
> > safety... it's better to seek out those who truly want our assistance.
>
> Love sometimes demands sacrifice. The Father broke down the gates of
> hell for love, should we do less ?
>
> Have a nice evening snow!
I will Rod... and so will you because you are learning to align with
the source of your energy..
“Excellence is doing ordinary things extraordinarily well. America's
greatness has been the greatness of a free people who shared certain
moral commitments. Freedom without moral commitment is aimless and
promptly self-destructive.”
John W. Gardner
Mat 19:21 Yehoshua said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell
what you have and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in
heaven. And come, follow Me.”
Probably a very difficult practice if viewed from the wrong
perspective. So many times we identify, “what we have” with material
property. The young lady meets a man and usually in the first few
minutes ask, “what do you do for a living?”. The best answer for this
question is, “I Breath”. Occupations change and understandings
change, people change or at least hopefully they do as they grow and
learn the most fundamental principle in the universe, COMPASSION.
Question: If you met Jesus on the road, would you say he was poor?
He carried no money. On the occasion that he needed money, he knew
the “law of attraction” would provide what he needed:
Mat 17:27 “But, lest we cause them to stumble, go to the sea, cast in
a hook, and take the fish that comes up first. And when you have
opened its mouth, you shall find a piece of money. Take that and give
it to them for Me and you.”
Simply put, he knew that YAHWEH would provide exactly what he needed.
The law says:
Deu 8:18 “But you shall remember YAHWEH your Elohim, for it is He who
gives you power to get wealth, in order to establish His covenant
which He swore to your fathers, as it is today.
Wealth is granted us for one simple reason, to establish his covenant.
This “covenant” is in place NOW and it requires us to live in the NOW,
not seeking but accepting that which is right before us. All that you
have many times leads people to think in the physical reality of life,
cars, homes and tangible, perishable items of this world but we are
ALL connected to the same spiritual reality.
Deu 33:18 And of Zeḇulun he said, “Rejoice, O Zeḇulun, in your going
out, and Yissasḵar in your tents!
Zebulun and Yissaskar were called to rejoice just where they were, one
in going out and the other in right where they lived. Always be
thankful for what you have, where you are. Giving to the poor speaks
of compassion and “selling all that you have” is the test that says
stop clinging to that which is physical and take hold of the spiritual
gifts that exist everyday.
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life,
the flesh does not profit at all.
The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.
1 Footnote: 1See v. 68. Word and Spirit are in unity.
One of the greatest flaws of Christianity is to attempt to measure
into a man that which is beyond measure.
Joh 3:34 “For He whom Elohim has sent speaks the Words of Elohim, for
Elohim does not give the Spirit by measure.
You are either connected or you are not in that all may be ones with
that same Spirit but so often it is not manifested into the world
because of unbelief or lack of knowledge of the law that manifest it
into being.
Isa 42:5 Thus said the Ěl, Yahweh, who created the heavens and
stretched them out, who spread forth the earth and that which comes
from it, who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who
walk on it:
The "Big Bang" was when YAHWEH spoke this entire universe into being
by UNLIMITED power.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of Ěl has made me, and the breath of the Almighty
gives me life.
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my
spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see
visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those
days will I pour out my spirit.
When people stop to realize that we do not worship the man that has
the spirit but rather all shall manifest that infinite spirit that
creates, we recognize that it is the spirit that we know is truth and
understanding.
Joh 4:24 Elohim is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him
in spirit and in truth.
When one recognizes that Father and Son are one, then they recognize
the fact that the flesh is weak and the spirit that is willing and so
they release the flesh and become ONE with the spirit.
Release the image and the words form that which is not yet formed. We
then learn to manifest that which is in union with the spirit by the
contemplation of the laws that govern it. The most important teaching
of the New Testament is often ignored by the masses:
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I
in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe
that thou hast sent me.
The spirit is universal and not in only one man but in all. This
reconnection is the life that creates, heals and restores.
Deu 33:19 “They call peoples to the mountain, there they bring
offerings of righteousness, for they draw from the riches of the seas,
and treasures hidden in the sand.”
How often do we fall into a literal sand trap and not see the
spiritual messages being granted to us in the Torah? First off, we
must tell of the treasure that defines to the reader what it is to be
not of this world… It means, don’t subscribe to the belief system of
this world of IMAGES. Images are limitations.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
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unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
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> > > Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> > > in spirit and truth.”
>
> > Since Yeshua was Yahweh made manifest in the flesh, he of course is
> > the same Savior that is proclaimed in your posted verse from Isaiah
> > 45:21-22. John said in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word and
> > the Word was with God and the Word WAS God" . He also said in John
> > 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld
> > his glory..."
>
> “We never know how high we are
> Till we are called to rise;
> And then, if we are true to plan,
> Our statures touch the skies—
>
> The Heroism we recite
> Would be a daily thing,
> Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
> For fear to be a King—“
>
> By Emily Dickenson
>
> I must pity Christians because they have such circular logic they are
> unable to see what is clearly written in John’s Good News. Locked
> into the faulty logic that Yahweh can only manifest in the flesh of
> “Jesus” and by extension then wrongly worshiping an image. Christians
> maintain the “trinity” doctrine to explain the faulty logic that 3 is
> one never actually seeing that the Messiah says:
>
> Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
> is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
> Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
> and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
> strength: this is the first commandment.
>
> Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
> doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
>
> Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
> Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
> and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
>
> Matthew on many occasion such as:
>
> Mat 4:10 Then Yehoshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
> written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
> shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
>
> The name of Jesus is not in any Hebrew scripture but Yehoshua means
> Yahweh saved. I’ve spent a long time trying to get Christians to
> realize that Jesus was not a deity that sought out being worshiped.
> Many mistranslations in scriptures exist that allow to not see the
> many contradictions in that the Messiah ascended to the RIGHT HAND of
> power, not the seat of power.
>
> Mat 22:44 YAHWEH said to my Master, “Sit at My RIGHT HAND, until I
> make Your enemies a footstool of Your feet” ’?
>
> Mat 26:64 Yehoshua said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to
> you, from now you shall see the Son of Adam sitting at the RIGHT HAND
> of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.”
>
> On Oct 18, 6:02 am, holyf...@wondering.com wrote:
>
> > In the creed the Holy Trinity is defined, based on scripture, so as to
> > make sure that God as father and son and spirit undivided and Christ
> > undivided in His nature are fully declared as central to the faith. By
> > any name, this is an absolute article of faith which defines who is a
> > christian.
>
> While “Trinity” doctrine defines who is “Christian”, Christians refuse
> to acknowledge that Messiah was only a prophet with the spirit of
> Yahweh:
>
> Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth,* a
> man* approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
> which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
>
> Yahweh is not a man, Elohim is SPIRIT.
>
> Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> in spirit and truth.”
> Num 23:19 El is not a man, …
> Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not
>
> The problem with not making the distinction between spirit and flesh
> is that Christians spend all their worship focused on outward
> appearances rather than cleaning the cup within. Even the Messiah
> while acknowledging he was one with the Father, did not claim to be
> the Father at any point because those who truly understand the
> religion he preached know that he spoke of the eternal spirit, not
> himself.
>
> Christians acknowledge that the Messiah died and was in the grave for
> 3 days and nights but what they fail to understand is that the dead
> can’t resurrect themselves, a power greater than that dead force must
> be behind that restoration and that power is the spirit of Yahweh.
>
> Mat 9:8 And when the crowds saw it, they marvelled and praised Elohim
> who had given such authority to men.
>
> Such authority is given to MEN, so if you focus on the wrong idea that
> Yehoshua is a deity, you completely missed the mark that like you,
> authority is given. All men can manifest the same and greater
> authority and according to the Messiah will when they understand their
> true nature and stop living in the darkness of ignorance that makes
> them weak spiritual, physically and mentally.
>
> The point isn’t if Yehoshua is one with Yahweh, we know this by his
> works, the point is, “Are you one with Yahweh?” and the reality is
> that until you have learned to manifest the signs, YOU ARE NOT.
>
> Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
> loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
> love him and manifest Myself in him.”
>
> Nobody argues that the spirit spoke THROUGH men, so why do they assume
> things are different for themselves? Christians don’t argue that a
> spirit spoke through Paul, Peter, James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke,
> John but when it comes to themselves, they apply a disconnection and
> look outside themselves.
>
> 1Jn 4:9 By this the love of Elohim was manifested in us
>
> 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
> for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
>
> That you should follow in his steps and be “Christ like” is simply
> something no person of faith should ever consider speaking against but
> still, they do not believe in their own divinity or the fact that they
> are created in his image.
>
> Respond directly:http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshuahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
>
> Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
> Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
> Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> That never wrote to me, -
> The simple news that Nature told,
> With tender majesty.
>
> Her message is committed
> To hands I cannot see;
> For love of her, sweet countrymen,
> Judge tenderly of me!”
>
> By Emily Dickinson
>
> Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
> Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
> unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
>
> Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them!
> Oliver Wendell Holmes
P.S. Linda.. I stand by this post:)
John Gardner
today on the "attack Mode" thread would have been equally well sent in reply
to your most recent one. AND I QUOTE:
I am aware of the incarnation scriptures, esp. Jn. 1:14. The Logos became
flesh. I have even read Jn. 1:1. The Word was with Elohim; the Word was
Elohim. I am also aware of the theophanies of the OT & particularly the
Shekhinah, which to the Hebrews was YHWH dwelling bodily in the ohel moed,
then the Hekal. Yet it was certainly known to the Hebrews that YHWH could
not really be "contained" in a tent, or a building, or the universe itself
for that matter.
Very much to their credit, the old Hebrews didn't get caught up in
philosophizing the exact manner in which the Shekhina, or the Pillar of
Cloud/Fire, "tabernacled" with the people. IMHO, the 3rd & 4th C.
"Christian" church got waylaid by this sort of non-issue, a.k.a. "How can we
call ourselves montheists if we confess that the Son of God was with us?".
Gallons of blood and ink have gone into this pseudo controversy since then!
The various proponents of incarnational theories coined baffle-words like
consubstantial, ousia, hypostasis. Then they declared one another heretics
for choosing the "wrong" baffle-words. The Trinitarian Athanasians killed
lots of Arians. The Monotheistic Arians killed a handful of Athnasians... TO
WHAT END?
Much more blood and ink will prob'ly flow on this pseudo-issue before the
Second Advent. Again, TO WHAT END? Who gets praised? Who gets wiser? Who
gets saved? Really, this is a paradigm of a Time-Waster Question. You waste
my time, your time, and this ng's time -- and I waste your time, my time and
this ng's time -- on expounding the "correct" understanding of "God
Incarnate".
It will be one of my New Years Resolutions to stop doing this. "As for me
and my household ...". In the meantime, fire away, Lee, although I doubt
there's an Anathema you haven't already issued on this point...
Or you could just get on with loving YHWH with heart, soul, strength & your
e-neighbours, including Snow & I, as yourself! Your choice!
John/Jochanan.
"Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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Snow
I think your understanding puts me to shame.. I hope that you will
come and teach me.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
I would be happy to make you a moderator at the forum if you join.
P.S. "The word" is spoken by a speaker and that speaker was YAHWEH.
The" WORD is elohim" but Elohim YAHWEH EL Shaddai is still the speaker
and Elohim of Elohim.
John Gardner
If I can be of any help on a forum, I'm there. I'm sure you can teach me at
least as much as I can teach you!
I have ordered the del Tondo book, BTW. And I'm definitely looking fwd to
this read.
Hey, Hanukkah is nearly here! There are some wonderful resources on the
Feast of Dedication at Hebrew 4 Christians website -- a pearl of high value
for Messianic Hebraica generally. (I'm sure this isn't news to you!). The
Maccabees in our Torah class in Abbotsford, B.C. are gettin' set for some
serioous skirmishin' in the (spiritual) Judean hills. Good times!!!
Shalom b'shem Yeshua Moshiachenu!
John.
"Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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Snow
> Thank you, Snow. I think we're all learning together, just as YHWH desires.
> If I can be of any help on a forum, I'm there. I'm sure you can teach me at
> least as much as I can teach you!
>
> I have ordered the del Tondo book, BTW. And I'm definitely looking fwd to
> this read.
>
> Hey, Hanukkah is nearly here! There are some wonderful resources on the
> Feast of Dedication at Hebrew 4 Christians website -- a pearl of high value
> for Messianic Hebraica generally. (I'm sure this isn't news to you!). The
> Maccabees in our Torah class in Abbotsford, B.C. are gettin' set for some
> serioous skirmishin' in the (spiritual) Judean hills. Good times!!!
>
> Shalom b'shem Yeshua Moshiachenu!
>
> John.
Keep in mind that I am a former Christian and while I have base
understandings, I'm eager to learn. Pick your favorite topic.. post
it here for all to read and then put a second copy of it on
messianic.Yehoshua.