Why are we at war?
Snow
am opposed to is a rash war.”
Barack Obama
Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
Eight years ago, we entered these countries under the excuse of
retaliatory for the 9/11 attacks but that was 2001 and this is almost
9 years later. Saddam Hussein is dead and gone; there are no weapons
of mass destruction and President Obama promised to end the war and
yet, here we are a year after he’s been elected and more troops are
being deployed.
“The surge troops have been deployed to Afghanistan by the end of
Summer 2010, the total number of US troops there will be around
98,000, the highest level yet. When President Obama took office, that
number was 32,000.”
Instead of ending war, he has double the number of armed soldiers and
will soon triple the number from Bush administration levels and we
have nobody asking, “WHY”?
“All war is based on deception.”
Sun Tzu
From the second Obama won the Presidency, the international media
stopped the daily body counts and broadcasting the war protesters and
stopped asking, “Why are we at war?” They no longer cared because the
propaganda against the Bush administration had put their Manchurian
candidate in office.
To be fair, I never understood from day one, why we went to war in the
first place and to be honest, I don’t care.
Knowing that just the “Defense” budget would feed, clothe, transport,
educate and house one sixth the entire world population makes me
scratch my head at the vast amounts of debt America is buried under to
support these travesties, no… crimes against humanity. I think if
we created trade opportunity instead of bombs, the world might think a
little better of us but the tragic reality of the real world is that
people like to lie to themselves and label human beings as statistics
so that they don’t have to think about the reality that their tax
dollars aren’t really helping the poor unless you consider killing
them a viable option.
We send troops instead of educational book to teach them a better way
of life. The last time I checked the only viable crop in Afghanistan
was opium, so maybe we should be looking at pharmaceutical companies
seeking to control drug production but are poppies really worth
killing for? In Iraq, any layman knows it’s about the oil but I
remember Obama spending a lot of his hype on new technology to remove
this dependency… We’ve had the technology to never use oil ever again
for a dozen years, affordable, reliable and cheap alternatives have
already obsoleted yesterdays economy and still we bail out car makers
and continue corrupt business schemes with a bankrupted economy… What
happened Obama to, “Yes, we can” that you’ve tied up all your
credibility in socialized health care instead of any real reforms???
Americans are reduced to social gossipers talking about how many woman
a golfer slept with instead taking any real steps to change the world…
why? Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
even though she can’t take care of the bastards she already has being
supported by corporate sponsors. Because nobody is FOCUSED on
solutions to the problems when they are too busy being worried about
if they are going to have access to prescription drugs they don’t even
need.
Religious people don’t seem to give a damn about anything but there
precious dogma and we don’t see any of them stepping up and talking
about real world issues either.
The media continues to push out its defecation of never ending
violence and pointless soap operas and all people seem to care about
is nothing but themselves and if there poor low self esteem is being
insulted as if that matters.
Everything that we need is within reach and all we have to do is wake
up and realize that we can pull our troops out of foreign countries
and let them be… we can decentralize the electric grid and make self
sustaining homes that produce electricity using various methods… we
can take the government OUT of health care and the doctors will be
forced to provide affordable solutions of actually curing sickness
instead just pills that mask symptoms and make pharmaceutical
companies rich. Government isn’t the cure to health care, they are
the people that poison the well in the first place! The welfare
system makes our own government compete against its own working
population and the only people with health care are those on the
government payroll (including the military) and this should be
reversed.
If we can say we are fighting for anything, it’s to support the
corporate controlled media that also owns the military industrial
machine and we are fighting to support corruption, greed and seeking
world domination instead of world peace and that’s nothing worth
fighting for.
I shouldn’t be surprised that on the 20 boards I posted, “The campaign
against violence”, a single person of faith spoke up and he
supported violence.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
George Orwell
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Many a man's strength is in opposition, and when he faileth, he grows
out of use.
Francis Bacon
Emma
Snow says...
>
>I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
>am opposed to is a rash war.
>Barack Obama
>
>Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
I now see the Iraq war as a disaster, but Afghanistan is
the home of Al Qaeda and the war there protects us back
in the West.
But, I am very, very angry with your President.
Britain has lost 237 of our troops in Afghanistan.
We give more to that war than any other country, apart
from America. We have sacrificed a lot. Young lives
have been lost. Every week, there seems to be a
military funeral now.
But where is the acknowledgement or gratitude from
your President? In all his speeches, he has said
*nothing*. *Nothing* about the British sacrifice!
No mention of the massive casualties, no mention of that
"special relationship".
He snubs our Prime Minister, removes the bust of
Churchill from the White house and returns it to
the British embassy. Ignores our troops.
It's an insult to our nation.
We clearly no longer have a special relationship since
Obama became your President.
--
~*~*~*Emma*~*~*~
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Linda Lee
> “I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
> am opposed to is a rash war.”
> Barack Obama
>
> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
> Eight years ago, we entered these countries under the excuse of
> retaliatory for the 9/11 attacks but that was 2001 and this is almost
> 9 years later. Saddam Hussein is dead and gone; there are no weapons
> of mass destruction and President Obama promised to end the war and
> yet, here we are a year after he’s been elected and more troops are
> being deployed.
>
> “The surge troops have been deployed to Afghanistan by the end of
> Summer 2010, the total number of US troops there will be around
> 98,000, the highest level yet. When President Obama took office, that
> number was 32,000.”
>
>
> Instead of ending war, he has double the number of armed soldiers and
> will soon triple the number from Bush administration levels and we
> have nobody asking, “WHY”?
>
> “All war is based on deception.”
> Sun Tzu
>
> From the second Obama won the Presidency, the international media
> stopped the daily body counts and broadcasting the war protesters and
> stopped asking, “Why are we at war?” They no longer cared because the
> propaganda against the Bush administration had put their Manchurian
> candidate in office.
Why do you hypocritically routinely quote Obama (without criticism)?
Snowjob posts:
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other
time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that
we seek. Barack Obama " 11/26/09 - from
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/8b2404898bcb7f88
Are you really so ignorant and unaware that you can't see that makes
you look like a hypocrite (like nearly everything else that you post)?
>
> To be fair, I never understood from day one, why we went to war in the
> first place and to be honest, I don’t care.
That's believable; that you really don't care; you just want to rail
against something. Why don't you see a shrink? They can give you
medication to calm yourself down.
Do you really think running your mouth here in yet another mindless
rant is "taking any real steps to change the world"? It isn't.
> Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
> even though she can’t take care of the bastards
That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view innocent
little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I shouldn't be
surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you really are. YOU are the
real example of a 'bastard', a sham son of God.
> she already has being
> supported by corporate sponsors. Because nobody is FOCUSED on
> solutions to the problems when they are too busy being worried about
> if they are going to have access to prescription drugs they don’t even
> need.
You're so ignorant. People need healthcare. Who are you to decide they
don't need prescription drugs? I guess you think anyone needing
medicine could just die and cease to be a problem for you.
>
> Religious people don’t seem to give a damn about anything but there
> precious dogma and we don’t see any of them stepping up and talking
> about real world issues either.
By "real world issues", you mean your political views. You're as
confused as ever, Snowjob; this forum is about religious issues; not
your political dogma. I don't guess you'll ever 'get' that. Here's an
idea! Go to a group that discusses politics, and perhaps you'll get a
response.
>
> The media continues to push out its defecation of never ending
> violence and pointless soap operas and all people seem to care about
> is nothing but themselves and if there poor low self esteem is being
> insulted as if that matters.
>
> Everything that we need is within reach and all we have to do is wake
> up and realize that we can pull our troops out of foreign countries
> and let them be… we can decentralize the electric grid and make self
> sustaining homes that produce electricity using various methods… we
> can take the government OUT of health care and the doctors will be
> forced to provide affordable solutions of actually curing sickness
> instead just pills that mask symptoms and make pharmaceutical
> companies rich. Government isn’t the cure to health care, they are
> the people that poison the well in the first place! The welfare
> system makes our own government compete against its own working
> population and the only people with health care are those on the
> government payroll (including the military) and this should be
> reversed.
How lucky we are to have a genius like you that can solve any and all
of the world's problems. No healthcare for the military? You really
think that is a good solution? Perhaps you should write the
administration with your solutions to all the world's ills, instead of
running your mouth here.
>
> If we can say we are fighting for anything, it’s to support the
> corporate controlled media that also owns the military industrial
> machine and we are fighting to support corruption, greed and seeking
> world domination instead of world peace and that’s nothing worth
> fighting for.
>
> I shouldn’t be surprised that on the 20 boards I posted, “The campaign
> against violence”, a single person of faith spoke up and he
> supported violence.
Are you still surprised you're ignored no matter what subject you
broach when you go into religious ngs and routinely post your vile
railings against Christ? I guess if you still cannot figure out why
you're shunned here, you're not such a genius after all...
>
> Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
> Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
> Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
> George Orwell
>
> Respond directly:http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshuahttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Snow
> > Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
> > even though she can’t take care of the bastards
>
> That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view innocent
> little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I shouldn't be
> surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you really are. YOU are the
> real example of a 'bastard', a sham son of God.
Bastard \Bas"tard\, a.
1. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. See
Bastard, n., note. [1913 Webster]
Linda Lee
"bas⋅tard
–noun
1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
2. Slang.
a. a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person: Some bastard
slashed the tires on my car.
b. a person, esp. a man: The poor bastard broke his leg.
3. something irregular, inferior, spurious, or unusual.
4. bastard culverin.
–adjective
5. illegitimate in birth.
6. spurious; not genuine; false: The architecture was bastard Gothic.
7. of abnormal or irregular shape or size; of unusual make or
proportions: bastard quartz; bastard mahogany.
8. having the appearance of; resembling in some degree: a bastard
Michelangelo; bastard emeralds.
9. Printing. (of a character) not of the font in which it is used or
found.
Origin:
1250–1300; ME < AF bastard, ML bastardus (from 11th century), perh. <
Gmc (Ingvaeonic) *bāst-, presumed var. of *bōst- marriage + OF -ard -
ard, taken as signifying the offspring of a polygynous marriage to a
woman of lower status, a pagan tradition not sanctioned by the church;
cf. OFris bost marriage < Gmc *bandstu-, a n. deriv. of IE *bhendh-
bind; the traditional explanation of OF bastard as deriv. of fils de
bast “child of a packsaddle” is doubtful on chronological and
geographical grounds
Synonyms:
6. fake, imitation, imperfect, sham, irregular, phony."
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
"Bible Dictionary
Bastard
In the Old Testament the rendering of the Hebrew word _mamzer'_, which
means "polluted." In Deut. 23:2, it occurs in the ordinary sense of
illegitimate offspring. In Zech. 9:6, the word is used in the sense of
foreigner. From the history of Jephthah we learn that there were
bastard offspring among the Jews (Judg. 11:1-7). In Heb. 12:8, the
word (Gr. nothoi) is used in its ordinary sense, and DENOTES THOSE WHO
DO NOT SHARE THE PRIVILEGES OF GOD'S CHILDREN." -- Easton's 1897 Bible
Dictionary
In My Fathers House
> “I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
> am opposed to is a rash war.”
> Barack Obama
>
> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
Because the same old same old is change we can believe in.
Snow
So what do you suggest we do?
Snow
> > > > Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
> > > > even though she can’t take care of the bastards
>
> > > That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view innocent
> > > little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I shouldn't be
> > > surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you really are. YOU are the
> > > real example of a 'bastard', a sham son of God.
>
> > Bastard \Bas"tard\, a.
>
> > 1. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. See
> > Bastard, n., note. [1913 Webster]
>
> "bas⋅tard
>
> –noun
> 1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
> 2. Slang.
If there ever was a text book definition of bastard children, these
would be it and I'm sure Webster would put their picture next to his
entry. I tend to think of bastard in the sense of "fatherless
children" and don't see it as an insult but maybe the fact that you
take offense to this word is speaking to something in your own life?
Care to make any confessions? I think you have just inspired my next
post:)
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
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http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
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In My Fathers House
[...]
> I now see the Iraq war as a disaster, but Afghanistan is
> the home of Al Qaeda and the war there protects us back
> in the West.
>
> But, I am very, very angry with your President.
>
> Britain has lost 237 of our troops in Afghanistan.
> We give more to that war than any other country, apart
> from America. We have sacrificed a lot. Young lives
> have been lost. Every week, there seems to be a
> military funeral now.
>
> But where is the acknowledgement or gratitude from
> your President? In all his speeches, he has said
> *nothing*. *Nothing* about the British sacrifice!
It must be a telepromp malfunction.
> No mention of the massive casualties, no mention of that
> "special relationship".
I've noticed that Britain stood by the U.S. even if what the U.S. did
was a bit crazy. The U.K. has demonstrated loyalty in both hard and
unpopular times.
> He snubs our Prime Minister, removes the bust of
> Churchill from the White house and returns it to
> the British embassy.
I did not realize this had happened. That is strange.
> Ignores our troops.
> It's an insult to our nation.
You guys stood by us longer than anybody else.
In My Fathers House
I don't have the answers. Generally speaking:
Pay off your credit card debts. Pay off all other debts. Move to a
state with low taxes and low state debt. At this point I don't trust
either political party.
Linda Lee
> On Dec 10, 5:26 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > > Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
> > > > > even though she can’t take care of the bastards
>
> > > > That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view innocent
> > > > little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I shouldn't be
> > > > surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you really are. YOU are the
> > > > real example of a 'bastard', a sham son of God.
>
"bas⋅tard
–noun
1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
2. Slang.
"Bible Dictionary
Bastard
> If there ever was a text book definition of bastard children, these
> would be it and I'm sure Webster would put their picture next to his
> entry. I tend to think of bastard in the sense of "fatherless
> children" and don't see it as an insult
As always, you're a LIAR. Calling anyone a bastard is an insult, and
every idiot on the street knows that, but then you're in a class of
idiot all by yourself.
> but maybe the fact that you
> take offense to this word is speaking to something in your own life?
Everyone takes offense at the word "bastard", you MORON.
You TRASH everyone, including innocent children, because you are a
BASTARD yourself, and I don't mean an illegitimate child either; I
mean "a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person".
duke
>�I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
>am opposed to is a rash war.�
>Barack Obama
>Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
To prevent the impending destruction of the world if we don't act.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Had liberals been in charge back then, we'd still be under British rule
> �I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
> am opposed to is a rash war.�
> Barack Obama
>
>
A better question to ask is, "With Bush gone and Obama as president, why
are we still at war?" In other words, what military and security
intelligence didn't Obama have as senator that he now has as president?
>
SNIP
Linda Lee
>
>
>
> > > > > Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
> > > > > even though she can’t take care of the bastards
>
> > > > That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view innocent
> > > > little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I shouldn't be
> > > > surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you really are. YOU are the
> > > > real example of a 'bastard', a sham son of God.
>
> > > Bastard \Bas"tard\, a.
>
> > > 1. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. See
> > > Bastard, n., note. [1913 Webster]
>
> > "bas⋅tard
>
> > –noun
> > 1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
> > 2. Slang.
>
> If there ever was a text book definition of bastard children, these
> would be it
Only you would be dumb/vile enough to classify every child born of in
vitro fertilization as a bastard.
> Life is a gift...
Except for children born of in vitro fertilization, huh?
Linda Lee
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:30:13 -0800 (PST), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >“I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
> >am opposed to is a rash war.”
> >Barack Obama
> >Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
>
> To prevent the impending destruction of the world if we don't act.
>
Snowjob proves he is as ignorant about the threat of terrorism as he
is about everything else. Good thing he isn't the President.
ykr...@oohay.com
Men beware! Cujo speaketh!
ykr...@oohay.com
> �I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
> am opposed to is a rash war.�
> Barack Obama
>
> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Why ? Well lets suppose for a moment that al queada has just
obtained Pakistans nuclear arsenal. Now, how safe do you think
you are going to be in australia, canada, GB, US, or Israel ?
Unsafe, somewhat safe, or burning in a nuclear hell ?
Afghanistan is essential, Iraq was about cleaning up a mess
that the Reagan / Bush administration made in the Reagan years.
If the Taliban or al queada get there hands on Pakistans aresenal,
India will take the entire region to task. YES, India has nukes
as well, and they will not tolerate muslims with nukes; no if's
and's or buts. If the Taliban or al queada obtain Pakistans nukes,
India will go to war with the entire region, nuclear war.
It IS essential that we STOP al queada and the taliban DEAD in their
tracks.
Rod
> On Dec 10, 12:56 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:30:13 -0800 (PST), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>> am opposed to is a rash war.�
>>> Barack Obama
>
>>> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
>
>> To prevent the impending destruction of the world if we don't act.
>>
>
> Snowjob proves he is as ignorant about the threat of terrorism as he
> is about everything else. Good thing he isn't the President.
It's a good thing that you are not, cujo.
I
> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq?
1. OIL
2. A decision by the dumbest President in the history of the USA - George W
Bush.
I
> Britain has lost 237 of our troops in Afghanistan.
> We give more to that war than any other country, apart
> from America. We have sacrificed a lot. Young lives
> have been lost. Every week, there seems to be a
> military funeral now.
Britain's former convict colony, The Land Down Under, has less people in its
population than New York but has also placed troops where the USA wanted.
We aren't happy either but Obama is a whole lot better than "God's
mouthpiece" George W Bush.
Snow
3. What are Afghanistan's main exports and imports?
Opium, fruits and nuts, handwoven carpets, wool, cotton, lambskins
(Karakul), and gemstones are the main exports; capital goods,
foodstuffs, textiles and other manufactured goods, and petroleum
products are the main imports. As a result of civil war, exports have
dwindled to a minimum, except for the illegal trade in opium and
hashish. The country has also become an important producer of HEROIN,
which is derived from opium.
http://qanda.encyclopedia.com/question/afghanistan-main-exports-and-imports-79006.html
Can anybody say Pharmaceutical companies and petrol/chemical interest?
All this talk about terrorist is a joke. These people are only
interested in being able to live in their own way without foreign
nations coming in and telling them how they must be. If we left
tomorrow, we could begin healing but let's face it.. war is profitable
business.
JohnH
> On Dec 10, 5:26 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
>>>>> even though she can’t take care of the bastards
>>>> That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view innocent
>>>> little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I shouldn't be
>>>> surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you really are. YOU are the
>>>> real example of a 'bastard', a sham son of God.
>>> Bastard \Bas"tard\, a.
>>> 1. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. See
>>> Bastard, n., note. [1913 Webster]
>> "bas⋅tard
>>
>> –noun
>> 1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.
>> 2. Slang.
>
> If there ever was a text book definition of bastard children, these
> would be it and I'm sure Webster would put their picture next to his
> entry. I tend to think of bastard in the sense of "fatherless
> children" and don't see it as an insult but maybe the fact that you
> take offense to this word is speaking to something in your own life?
>
when it gives offense to black people, it only speaks to something in
their lives...like them being born black, huh? You are as far from
being intellectually honest as the east is from the west.
>
> Care to make any confessions? I think you have just inspired my next
> post:)
>
think," and so it cannot be based upon any inspiration of God.
And, yeah, that's right, you heard me correctly. I said "God." Here,
I'll say it again. "God!" Does my saying "God" offend you? [You know
it does.] Well, I tend to think of God in the sense of Him as The
Supreme Being, and I don't see it as an insult, but apparently the fact
that you take offense to the word "God" is speaking to something in your
own life? Now, using your own logic, isn't that exactly right?]
>
JohnH
> In article <3b461a9d-dbae-47af...@y32g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> Snow says...
>> I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
>> am opposed to is a rash war.
>> Barack Obama
>>
>> Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
>
> I now see the Iraq war as a disaster, but Afghanistan is
> the home of Al Qaeda and the war there protects us back
> in the West.
>
> But, I am very, very angry with your President.
>
>
> Britain has lost 237 of our troops in Afghanistan.
> We give more to that war than any other country, apart
> from America. We have sacrificed a lot. Young lives
> have been lost. Every week, there seems to be a
> military funeral now.
>
> But where is the acknowledgement or gratitude from
> your President? In all his speeches, he has said
> *nothing*. *Nothing* about the British sacrifice!
>
> No mention of the massive casualties, no mention of that
> "special relationship".
> He snubs our Prime Minister, removes the bust of
> Churchill from the White house and returns it to
> the British embassy. Ignores our troops.
> It's an insult to our nation.
>
>
> We clearly no longer have a special relationship since
> Obama became your President.
>
>
James Fenimore
To feed our ever-hungry U.S. MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ...
Emma
In My Fathers House says...
>
>On Dec 10, 1:48=A0am, Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> Britain has lost 237 of our troops in Afghanistan.
>> We give more to that war than any other country, apart
>> from America. We have sacrificed a lot. Young lives
>> have been lost. Every week, there seems to be a
>> military funeral now.
>>
>> But where is the acknowledgement or gratitude from
>> your President? In all his speeches, he has said
>> *nothing*. *Nothing* about the British sacrifice!
>
>It must be a telepromp malfunction.
>
>> No mention of the massive casualties, no mention of that
>> "special relationship".
>
>I've noticed that Britain stood by the U.S. even if what the U.S. did
>was a bit crazy. The U.K. has demonstrated loyalty in both hard and
>unpopular times.
>
>> He snubs our Prime Minister, removes the bust of
>> Churchill from the White house and returns it to
>> the British embassy.
>
>I did not realize this had happened. That is strange.
>
>> Ignores our troops.
>> It's an insult to our nation.
>
>You guys stood by us longer than anybody else.
Thanks for your reply.
I see that he's angered the Norwegians now too, by
cancelling events in Norway and turning down an
invitation to lunch with the King.
Maybe he doesn't like Europeans...
In My Fathers House
[...]
> I see that he's angered the Norwegians now too, by
> cancelling events in Norway and turning down an
> invitation to lunch with the King.
Hopefully the Nobel committee will learn from their mistake. =)
> Maybe he doesn't like Europeans...
His campaigning personality likes Europeans. He spent an unusual
amount of energy on European good will during his campaign. However
his Presidential personality seems to be a well-spoken version of
George W Bush.
Snow
> You just said it. Your definition of "inspired" is based on what "you
> think," and so it cannot be based upon any inspiration of God.
>
> And, yeah, that's right, you heard me correctly. I said "God." Here,
> I'll say it again. "God!" Does my saying "God" offend you? [You know
> it does.] Well, I tend to think of God in the sense of Him as The
> Supreme Being, and I don't see it as an insult, but apparently the fact
> that you take offense to the word "God" is speaking to something in your
> own life? Now, using your own logic, isn't that exactly right?]
You are not able to offend me John because I have not granted you that
authority. You are entitled to say whatever you want. Elohim gave
you a mind and you are welcomed to use it or remain ignorant for as
long as you desire and this does not assume that anything you have
said is ignorant.
You are independent of my good opinion just as I am to yours. I have
to wonder how you think attacking my opinion benefits you in your
demonstration of low self esteem. It would be better for you to
simply state your view of things. I prefer to say the truth as I see
it and reality is harsh and people can be offended by reality, that is
there choice.
Words are simply words and only have the authority of the meaning we
attach to those words. If you are offended, you have simply given
another person authority to offend you rather than take the
intellectual high ground. The tactic of pretending offense is usually
the hiding place of those who have weak arguments are are unable to
address the issues which in this case is, "Why are we at war?"
In October 2009, the Iraqi government reported that 85,000 Iraqis
(civilians, military and police) died in violence between 2004 and
2008
Iraq Body Count: Campaign group counts from media reports and official
figures. It says that 94,705 - 103,336 civilians have died since
invasion
Lancet study in October 2006 estimated 655,000 people died in Iraq as
a result of the invasion
Statistics are irrelevant for mothers who are still losing their
children in Iraq. We are making a lot of people hate us by continuing
to "project democracy" with troops rather then intellectual ideas.
Shalom,
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out of use.
Francis Bacon
Evil is the moment when I lack the strength to be true to the Good
that compels me.
Alain Badiou
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
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JohnH
> On Dec 11, 9:07 am, JohnH <Je...@God.com> wrote:
>
>> You just said it. Your definition of "inspired" is based on what "you
>> think," and so it cannot be based upon any inspiration of God.
>>
>> And, yeah, that's right, you heard me correctly. I said "God." Here,
>> I'll say it again. "God!" Does my saying "God" offend you? [You know
>> it does.] Well, I tend to think of God in the sense of Him as The
>> Supreme Being, and I don't see it as an insult, but apparently the fact
>> that you take offense to the word "God" is speaking to something in your
>> own life? Now, using your own logic, isn't that exactly right?]
>
> You are not able to offend me John because I have not granted you that
> authority.
>
>
> You are entitled to say whatever you want.
>
>
> Elohim gave
>
It's "God gave." ["We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto."]
>
SNIP
Snow
You have your belief, I have mine. I choose to respect what you
believe, even if we disagree. I wish you well in your walk of faith
and thank you for your contributions. May the love, compassion and
joy of your deity be with you.
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
That you should follow in his steps and be “Christ like” is simply
something no person of faith should ever consider speaking against but
still, they do not believe in their own divinity or the fact that they
are created in his image.
Respond directly:
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Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
“This is my letter to the world,
That never wrote to me, -
The simple news that Nature told,
With tender majesty.
Her message is committed
To hands I cannot see;
For love of her, sweet countrymen,
Judge tenderly of me!”
By Emily Dickinson
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A few can touch the magic string, and noisy fame is proud to win them:
Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Rod
I hate to disappoint you, but that is all you have is YOUR logic,
unless you have another personality hiding under that gruff Pauline
interior...
Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long line
of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that differs
from your own.
--
In one of her many fits of rage, Cujo utters;
You're not The Son of God, nor are you A son of God; you're a child of
the Devil, a tare, who does nothing but twist the holy Scriptures, and
all you deserve is a slap and a kick in the head.
Linda Lee, 8:31 pm 12/10/2009
Snow
> You're not The Son of God, nor are you A son of God; you're a child of
> the Devil, a tare, who does nothing but twist the holy Scriptures, and
> all you deserve is a slap and a kick in the head.
Isa 54:17 “No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every
tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This
is the inheritance of the servants of YAHWEH, and their righteousness
from Me,” declares YAHWEH.
If you were driving through a camp full of cave men throwing rocks at
you, would you bother to worry about them if you were in an Abram's
Tank? Knowing that nothing they said or did mattered, would you carry
around rocks of your own?
Don't be like them Rod, you are better than this. You have no need to
emulate them or even care what they think. They look on in fear
because they don't understand. Rise above the garbage... don't jump
in with them and do as they do holding on to quotes from ages past...
forgive and forget it. I have and that quote was written about me.
Show them you are better... actions not words. Now.. I realize that
you do not believe as I do and I respect this but still I see that
spark of life in you. Let that light shine and turn from their
darkness. Show them that even YOU can be a better example. Show
compassion, show that you are not effected by the endless drivels of
hatred and venom because their is something in you that is better and
calls you to be righteous and do what is right. Don't just say it..
be it.
1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
“We never know how high we are
Till we are called to rise;
And then, if we are true to plan,
Our statures touch the skies—
The Heroism we recite
Would be a daily thing,
Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
For fear to be a King—“
By Emily Dickenson
Snow
> > I see that he's angered the Norwegians now too, by
> > cancelling events in Norway and turning down an
> > invitation to lunch with the King.
>
> Hopefully the Nobel committee will learn from their mistake. =)
>
> > Maybe he doesn't like Europeans...
>
> His campaigning personality likes Europeans. He spent an unusual
> amount of energy on European good will during his campaign. However
> his Presidential personality seems to be a well-spoken version of
> George W Bush.
I voted independent and feel very good about not choosing either of
them because the only real difference is skin deep. The campaign was
heavily endowed with Freemasonry symbolism.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua/web/signs-and-seals
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
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Linda Lee
> Snow wrote:
You're catching on. He is neither logical nor spiritual, and his only
inspiration is to engage in war against Christ and Christians.
Rod
Every time I see one of your posts, it is just one more reason why
no one should want to become a Christian...
--
In one of her many fits of rage, Cujo utters;
You're not The Son of God, nor are you A son of God; you're a child of
the Devil, a tare, who does nothing but twist the holy Scriptures, and
all you deserve is a slap and a kick in the head.
Rod
> On Dec 13, 12:39 am, Rod <ykr...@oohay.com> wrote:
>
>> You're not The Son of God, nor are you A son of God; you're a child of
>> the Devil, a tare, who does nothing but twist the holy Scriptures, and
>> all you deserve is a slap and a kick in the head.
>
>
> tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This
> is the inheritance of the servants of YAHWEH, and their righteousness
>
> If you were driving through a camp full of cave men throwing rocks at
> you, would you bother to worry about them if you were in an Abram's
> Tank? Knowing that nothing they said or did mattered, would you carry
> around rocks of your own?
>
> Don't be like them Rod, you are better than this.
No, I'm not. I'm an unbeliever with a hatred for pauline christians
and their ways, and I'm tired of the bastards getting in my face
on and off usenet, trying to make the world conform to their
delusions. Everywhere I go here at home I have to contend with them,
the looks, the scowls, the back biting. Hell, they even make it
hard on my wife because I'm an unbeliever, and she is one of them.
I'm doing my damndest to cure that problem. I won't let them in the
house any more. When they come by to see the wife I make the sob's
stand outside in the cold. I urinate on a bible at every opportunity,
and I have a plastic jesus on the dash of my truck, crucified inverted
on two popsickle sticks!
> You have no need to
> emulate them or even care what they think. They look on in fear
> because they don't understand. Rise above the garbage... don't jump
> in with them and do as they do holding on to quotes from ages past...
> forgive and forget it. I have and that quote was written about me.
Yes, and it should stand as a testimony to their everlasting shame,
for it was written by Linda yet they ALL share the guilt from it.
I don't intend to let her forget it either.
>
> Show them you are better... actions not words. Now.. I realize that
> you do not believe as I do and I respect this but still I see that
> spark of life in you. Let that light shine and turn from their
> darkness. Show them that even YOU can be a better example. Show
> compassion, show that you are not effected by the endless drivels of
> hatred and venom because their is something in you that is better and
> calls you to be righteous and do what is right. Don't just say it..
> be it.
I've no intention of being kind to them. They want revelation to
happen, I say it needs a PUSH!
>
> 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered
> for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,
>
> Num 6:24 �Yahweh bless you and guard you;
> Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
> Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.� �
>
> Shalom,
> *��)
> �.�� �.�*��) �.�*�)
> (�.�� (�.� (Snow(.�.�*��)
>
> �We never know how high we are
> Till we are called to rise;
> And then, if we are true to plan,
> Our statures touch the skies�
>
> The Heroism we recite
> Would be a daily thing,
> Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
> For fear to be a King��
>
> By Emily Dickenson
>
--
In one of her many fits of rage, Cujo utters;
You're not The Son of God, nor are you A son of God; you're a child of
the Devil, a tare, who does nothing but twist the holy Scriptures, and
all you deserve is a slap and a kick in the head.
JohnH
>
Too late. You've already started off with a stupid platitude. What's
next, a trite cliché?
>
> Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long line
> of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
> creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that differs
> from your own.
>
newsgroups? Is it registering yet? You're the outsider here, Rodney,
and you obviously come into these groups to stir things up. It's what
you do, Hypocrite Rodney, it's what you do. So if you truly want to
talk about "lunatics that run about the net starting fights and creating
havoc" [in newsgroups] where people will obviously have "a belief or an
opinion that differs from your own," get a mirror and talk away.
|R|O||D
I hope you remain disappointed.
>>
>> Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long line
>> of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
>> creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that differs
>> from your own.
>>
> Look, the hypocrite speaks. Do you see the names of the above
> newsgroups? Is it registering yet?
It's plain to me that what I said recently hasn't dawned on you
yet. It is you and YOUR people that crossed the line first and
foremost, trying to shove your lousy faith down the throats of
people that don't want it, and you are to damned stupid to take
NO for an answer.
> You're the outsider here, Rodney,
Usenet is for everyone. Get used to it.
> and you obviously come into these groups to stir things up.
No, I am here to make certain that you get what you give out.
> It's what
> you do, Hypocrite Rodney, it's what you do.
It's become my mission in life.
> So if you truly want to
> talk about "lunatics that run about the net starting fights and creating
> havoc" [in newsgroups] where people will obviously have "a belief or an
> opinion that differs from your own," get a mirror and talk away.
I'm speaking with a lunatic right now, and it's you.
JohnH
> On Dec 13, 12:09 am, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>> Snow wrote:
>>> On Dec 11, 9:07 am, JohnH <Je...@God.com> wrote:
>>>> You just said it. Your definition of "inspired" is based on what "you
>>>> think," and so it cannot be based upon any inspiration of God.
>>>> And, yeah, that's right, you heard me correctly. I said "God." Here,
>>>> I'll say it again. "God!" Does my saying "God" offend you? [You know
>>>> it does.] Well, I tend to think of God in the sense of Him as The
>>>> Supreme Being, and I don't see it as an insult, but apparently the fact
>>>> that you take offense to the word "God" is speaking to something in your
>>>> own life? Now, using your own logic, isn't that exactly right?]
>>> You are not able to offend me John because I have not granted you that
>>> authority.
>> >
>> Your authority isn't worth the toilet paper it's written on.
>> >> You are entitled to say whatever you want.
>>
>> >
>> Finally, something you've said that I can say "You got that right" to.
>> >
>> > Elohim gave
>> >
>> It's "God gave." ["We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto."]
>>
>> SNIP
>
> You have your belief, I have mine. I choose to respect what you
> believe, even if we disagree. I wish you well in your walk of faith
> and thank you for your contributions. May the love, compassion and
> joy of your deity be with you.
>
have already made it clear that The One Whom I call "God" is not The One
Whom you call "Elohim" or "Yahweh." Two, you have gone so far as to
contend that calling The Creator "God" is paganism. Three, you insult
me now by small-capping my deity as if to say that He's not the equal of
yours. In short, I do not believe it when you say that you respect what
I believe. They're just words that have absolutely no substance to
them. If you truly want to prove that you're capable of respecting what
I and many others believe, then stop your constant criticism of
English-speaking people choosing to call The Maker of Heaven and Earth
"God" (or the Christ "Jesus"). Do this, and let your actions finally
match your words.
Snow
> > You have your belief, I have mine. I choose to respect what you
> > believe, even if we disagree. I wish you well in your walk of faith
> > and thank you for your contributions. May the love, compassion and
> > joy of your deity be with you.
>
> All of this would be great if it weren't for a few things. One, you
> have already made it clear that The One Whom I call "God" is not The One
> Whom you call "Elohim" or "Yahweh." Two, you have gone so far as to
> contend that calling The Creator "God" is paganism. Three, you insult
> me now by small-capping my deity as if to say that He's not the equal of
> yours. In short, I do not believe it when you say that you respect what
> I believe. They're just words that have absolutely no substance to
> them. If you truly want to prove that you're capable of respecting what
> I and many others believe, then stop your constant criticism of
> English-speaking people choosing to call The Maker of Heaven and Earth
> "God" (or the Christ "Jesus"). Do this, and let your actions finally
> match your words.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
You seem to lay a lot of importance on "what you believe" as if it is
an authority over what everybody else believes and if one doesn't bow
to "what you believe" they are worthy of your condemnation. You look
to be insulted because you are unable to carry intellectual debate of
my statements.
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
You failed to understand that my statements are not up for debate.
Criticism is the result of critical thinking and your own failure to
practice what you preach. Your argument is that I should stop
thinking critically in using the gift I have been given by Elohim of
Elohim YAHWEH El Shaddai, whose name I praise.
Just because you are unable to practice what you preach does not mean
I should join you in your worship of man instead of SPIRIT.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are
not consumed.
Why not speak on the topic of war?
Shalom,
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Many a man's strength is in opposition, and when he faileth, he grows
JohnH
>
>>> Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long line
>>> of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
>>> creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that differs
>>> from your own.
>>>
>> Look, the hypocrite speaks. Do you see the names of the above
>> newsgroups? Is it registering yet?
>
> It's plain to me that what I said recently hasn't dawned on you
> yet. It is you and YOUR people that crossed the line first and
> foremost, trying to shove your lousy faith down the throats of
> people that don't want it, and you are to damned stupid to take
> NO for an answer.
>
>
>> You're the outsider here, Rodney,
>
> Usenet is for everyone. Get used to it.
>
that.
>
>> and you obviously come into these groups to stir things up.
>
> No, I am here to make certain that you get what you give out.
>
>
>> It's what you do, Hypocrite Rodney, it's what you do.
>
> It's become my mission in life.
>
>
>> So if you truly want to talk about "lunatics that run about the net
>> starting fights and creating havoc" [in newsgroups] where people will
>> obviously have "a belief or an opinion that differs from your own,"
>> get a mirror and talk away.
>
> I'm speaking with a lunatic right now, and it's you.
>
work out for you? Hmmm, Rodney? Never made it there, now did you? Of
course not. You're all bluff with absolutely no stuff.
Snow
> Speaking of lunacy, how'd that trip to Washington to shut down Kelly
> work out for you? Hmmm, Rodney? Never made it there, now did you? Of
> course not. You're all bluff with absolutely no stuff.
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results. “
Albert Einstein
I think that people might find it interesting that we can learn a lot
from stalkers, web trolls and spammers. Many people on usenet have
discovered a deep truth by the collective of these people that have an
insane need to attack other people… It is insanity to post the same
messages to people expecting different results and I have to admit, at
times I’ve been guilty of that same insanity but I’m learning from it
an important truth:
“Where Focus goes, energy flows”
To me, if religion isn’t helping other people work out problems, its
just vanity being shouted from the pulpit. In Hebrew religion and the
religion of the Messiah, the FOCUS was on the spirit YAHWEH, on belief
and on helping others though healing and teachings.
Denis Waitley says, “Don't dwell on what went wrong. Instead, focus on
what to do next. Spend your energies on moving forward toward finding
the answer.”
I believe in explaining the same principle in several different ways
and by doing this, it’s my hope that the real life examples I speak
about help the reader to know how to apply these basic principles in
their own life.
Finding a different way to communicate the same message is something
that I work on developing. If we consider the patters of the person
attacking another person’s point of view, we come to realize that we
empower the very things we are against but I didn’t always understand
this notion until I got into a spam war with other users.
People would tell me, “don’t feed the troll” and I didn’t listen to
them because I didn’t consider the principle (“where focus goes”) but
the more I posted to the threads of those people I considered insane,
the more their threads stayed at the top of the board… I posted a
response and the link to his message went straight back to the top
where some other person would tell me, “if you stop posting to him he
will go away”.
Henry Rollins said, “To hate is to show you still care, who needs
that, focus on what's really important.”
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Positive action does not come about by negative contemplation. We
can’t bring about world peace by going to war or thinking combat is a
solution to anything. War must be thought of as a mental illness that
is not an option. Instead of attacking population centers, simply cut
off the heads of state that promote this agenda.
We are not going to find solutions to world poverty, hunger or
environmental destruction by focusing on the problems; we must find a
better solution to them. I can throw a barrel of money and food at
the starving poor people but until they are taught how to provide for
themselves, I haven’t done them any favors except reward apathy like a
welfare system does.
Rod Blagojevich says, “A successful economic development strategy must
focus on improving the skills of the area's workforce, reducing the
cost of doing business and making available the resources business
needs to compete and thrive in today's global economy.” Notice that
he doesn’t talk about what people don’t have? Anything successful
must focus on the resources already available and making use of what
we have and improving that. Finally, we do not teach the Good News by
focusing on false ministry and attacking everybody else’s belief and
it’s for this reason the Messiah taught:
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” 14 “And
whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that
house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.”
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution and the
axiom that says, “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man
to fish, feed him for life”… Let’s make some fishermen and provide
some solutions.
The question is, who has the best solution and who has problems? I
always think that what brings out the best in people is competition.
Do you have a problem? I wonder if somebody would follow this up by
telling me what is wrong and see if a solution comes from talking
about it… but if you take anything away from this I hope you learn to
count your blessings and stop dwelling on what you don’t have.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
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And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
draw, the more abundant is its flow.
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A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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JohnH
> On Dec 13, 1:58 pm, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>
>>> You have your belief, I have mine. I choose to respect what you
>>> believe, even if we disagree. I wish you well in your walk of faith
>>> and thank you for your contributions. May the love, compassion and
>>> joy of your deity be with you.
>> All of this would be great if it weren't for a few things. One, you
>> have already made it clear that The One Whom I call "God" is not The One
>> Whom you call "Elohim" or "Yahweh." Two, you have gone so far as to
>> contend that calling The Creator "God" is paganism. Three, you insult
>> me now by small-capping my deity as if to say that He's not the equal of
>> yours. In short, I do not believe it when you say that you respect what
>> I believe. They're just words that have absolutely no substance to
>> them. If you truly want to prove that you're capable of respecting what
>> I and many others believe, then stop your constant criticism of
>> English-speaking people choosing to call The Maker of Heaven and Earth
>> "God" (or the Christ "Jesus"). Do this, and let your actions finally
>> match your words.
>
> believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
> receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
>
> You seem to lay a lot of importance on "what you believe" as if it is
> an authority over what everybody else believes and if one doesn't bow
> to "what you believe" they are worthy of your condemnation. You look
> to be insulted because you are unable to carry intellectual debate of
> my statements.
>
> Joh 5:31 �If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
>
> You failed to understand that my statements are not up for debate.
> Criticism is the result of critical thinking and your own failure to
> practice what you preach. Your argument is that I should stop
> thinking critically in using the gift I have been given by Elohim of
> Elohim YAHWEH El Shaddai, whose name I praise.
>
> Just because you are unable to practice what you preach does not mean
> I should join you in your worship of man instead of SPIRIT.
>
> in spirit and truth.�
> Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are
> not consumed.
>
you three examples showing that this is obviously not the case. Now,
since you didn't bother addressing these points, you obviously have no
business lecturing anyone about intellectual debate.
>
> Why not speak on the topic of war?
>
which is one thing that you have yet to show. Besides, I'm too busy to
make time for the mealy-mouthed and insincere, but thanks for asking.
JohnH
> On Dec 13, 2:53 pm, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of lunacy, how'd that trip to Washington to shut down Kelly
>> work out for you? Hmmm, Rodney? Never made it there, now did you? Of
>> course not. You're all bluff with absolutely no stuff.
>
> different results. �
> Albert Einstein
>
> I think
>
Ya' think?
>
SNIP
Snow
> >> Speaking of lunacy, how'd that trip to Washington to shut down Kelly
> >> work out for you? Hmmm, Rodney? Never made it there, now did you? Of
> >> course not. You're all bluff with absolutely no stuff.
>
> > “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
> > different results. “
> > Albert Einstein
>
> > I think
>
> Ya' think?
So why do you play on like a broken record? Every topic I speak
about, you go back to, "the incarnated deity", a phrase not found
anywhere in scriptures. I'm talking about wars and you are talking
about a completely different topic which I have no desire to talk to
you about since, you do not rationally address the scriptures.
Instead of discussing the issue, you ignore my points and continue to
spew forth dogma that isn't written.
If you could rationally argue or were even willing to consider another
point of view, I would be happy to discuss the issue.
If you would like, I'd be willing to go for a point for point
DISCUSSION about our different belief system but this means that we
both agree to address each others points of view and not just continue
spewing venom, vile and your usual "Christian" hatred. I would be
happy to allow you to make the first points of order in this
discussion.
Are you capable of civil debate?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> Rod wrote:
>> JohnH wrote:
>>> Snow wrote:
>>>> On Dec 10, 5:26 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or if the insane "Octo" mom is going to have still more babies
>>>>>>>> even though she can't take care of the bastards
>>>>>>> That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view
>>>>>>> innocent little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I
>>>>>>> shouldn't be surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you
>>>>>>> really are. YOU are the real example of a 'bastard', a sham son
>>>>>>> of God.
>>>>>> Bastard \Bas"tard\, a.
>>>>>> 1. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. See
>>>>>> Bastard, n., note. [1913 Webster]
>>>>>
>>>>> -noun
>>
>> Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long
>> line of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
>> creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that
>> differs from your own.
>>
> Look, the hypocrite speaks. Do you see the names of the above
> newsgroups? Is it registering yet? You're the outsider here, Rodney,
> and you obviously come into these groups to stir things up. It's what
> you do, Hypocrite Rodney, it's what you do. So if you truly want to
> talk about "lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
> creating havoc" [in newsgroups] where people will obviously have "a
> belief or an opinion that differs from your own," get a mirror and
> talk away.
Very well said, John.
Where have you been? I have been missing you already. But I am posting
from ACC, and that might be the reason why I do not always see you
posting. It si great that there are still believers in God and His word
around, so we can all share the Gospel with those who do not know it
yet.
Have a great Christmas!
Snow
wrote:
> JohnH je...@god.com wrote in hg1g3p$8g...@news.albasani.net
>
> >> Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long
> >> line of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
> >> creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that
> >> differs from your own.
>
> > Look, the hypocrite speaks. Do you see the names of the above
> > newsgroups? Is it registering yet? You're the outsider here, Rodney,
> > and you obviously come into these groups to stir things up. It's what
> > you do, Hypocrite Rodney, it's what you do. So if you truly want to
> > talk about "lunatics that run about the net starting fights and
> > creating havoc" [in newsgroups] where people will obviously have "a
> > belief or an opinion that differs from your own," get a mirror and
> > talk away.
>
> Very well said, John.
>
> Where have you been? I have been missing you already. But I am posting
> from ACC, and that might be the reason why I do not always see you
> posting. It si great that there are still believers in God and His word
> around, so we can all share the Gospel with those who do not know it
> yet.
>
> Have a great Christmas!
Yes, have a great Pagan holy day.
Ecc 7:1 A good name is better than precious oil, and the day of death
than the day of one’s birth.
dor
Evidently the concept of free speech irritates you. How long have you
been a marxist ?
Rod
You hypocritical ass! Many people of Scandinavia believe in the frost
giants and odin, yet do you show respect for their beliefs ?? Hell NO!
Have you demonstrated respect for my lack of belief in your god ? No,
you've attacked me in every way you could think of, even taking it
as far as libel.
You are Pauline hypocrite John, and you'll never make your heaven
by your bibles standards.
What you are is a comedy act, and a bad one!
Rod
yes, well said for a hypocrite. I'm amazed he was able to side
step his hypocrisy without falling on his face, as you have so
many times.
JohnH
> JohnH wrote:
>> Snow wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Why not speak on the topic of war?
>>>
>> That would require you choosing to honestly respect what I believe,
>> which is one thing that you have yet to show.
> \
> You hypocritical ass! Many people of Scandinavia believe in the frost
> giants and odin, yet do you show respect for their beliefs ?? Hell NO!
> Have you demonstrated respect for my lack of belief in your god ? No,
> you've attacked me in every way you could think of, even taking it
> as far as libel.
>
> You are Pauline hypocrite John, and you'll never make your heaven
> by your bibles standards.
>
> What you are is a comedy act, and a bad one!
>
emotional too often "go off the deep-end." Get help before you kill
somebody.
<PLONK>
Rod
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're transparent....you have just lived DOWN to
everything I've said about Pauline Christians, proving them true, but
as with Kelly so with you; no depth is to low for you to go.
>
> <PLONK>
Thank you. You will probably not know how much I appreciate this small
gesture, though I must say that refraining from libel for a Pauline
might damage your health!
JohnH
> On Dec 13, 3:53 pm, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Speaking of lunacy, how'd that trip to Washington to shut down Kelly
>>>> work out for you? Hmmm, Rodney? Never made it there, now did you? Of
>>>> course not. You're all bluff with absolutely no stuff.
>>> different results. �
>>> Albert Einstein
>>> I think
>> Ya' think?
>
> So why do you play on like a broken record? Every topic I speak
> about, you go back to, "the incarnated deity", a phrase not found
> anywhere in scriptures. I'm talking about wars and you are talking
> about a completely different topic which I have no desire to talk to
> you about since, you do not rationally address the scriptures.
> Instead of discussing the issue, you ignore my points and continue to
> spew forth dogma that isn't written.
>
> If you could rationally argue or were even willing to consider another
> point of view, I would be happy to discuss the issue.
>
> If you would like, I'd be willing to go for a point for point
> DISCUSSION about our different belief system but this means that we
> both agree to address each others points of view and not just continue
> spewing venom, vile and your usual "Christian" hatred. I would be
> happy to allow you to make the first points of order in this
> discussion.
>
> Are you capable of civil debate?
>
showed how you do not respect my beliefs, AND YOU IGNORED THEM ALL. You
couldn't/wouldn't support your contention that you respected my beliefs
then, so I have absolutely no reason to expect you to be completely
honest with me now. To make this even more plain, I have no intention
of debating anyone, such as yourself, who I've already proven to be
dishonest.
Snow
> > Are you capable of civil debate?
>
> Do you not understand English? I already gave you three examples that
> showed how you do not respect my beliefs, AND YOU IGNORED THEM ALL. You
> couldn't/wouldn't support your contention that you respected my beliefs
> then, so I have absolutely no reason to expect you to be completely
> honest with me now. To make this even more plain, I have no intention
> of debating anyone, such as yourself, who I've already proven to be
> dishonest.
So, your answer is no. Figures. Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
As I speak on various topics on the Usenet, several “Christians”
follow post with the same claims, that the man they call “Jesus” was a
deity and that I’m evil for thinking rationally about the scriptures
and the things taught by the Good News accounts of scriptures.
In order to maintain false dogma, TRINITY Christianity relies on
mistranslation, man made tradition and removing the name of the
Almighty from scriptures. It is not Jewish tradition to remove the
name of YAHWEH from scriptures. Jewish tradition is simply that they
do not vocalize the sacred name but they do not remove it from
scriptures.
Christians use many traps to say otherwise for example, the “Jewish
Publication Society” version of scripture, which is really just a
Christian translation of scriptures where they replace the name of
YAHWEH with “Adonia” instead of “Lord”.
Christians rely on very few passages to say that “Jesus” is the
Almighty creator and I thought I would touch on just a few.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Master and my
Mighty One.
Thomas claiming that Yehoshua was his “God” is not significant since
“Elohim” is a title that is given to Moses, Abraham, judges and
rulers. Exodus 7:1 demonstrates Moses was “a god” to Pharaoh and I
don’t see Christians lining up to worship him.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and ALL of you are children of
the most High.
Christian must ignore the fact that ALL are children of the most high
so that they can run around calling everybody else the devils child.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The next is the claim that every time Yehoshua says, “I AM” his is
claiming to be the Almighty rather then his servant which goes against
all the verses that say YAHWEH put his spirit on the man.
Mat 12:18 Behold MY SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
show judgment to the Gentiles.
This does not say he is mankind’s servant or servant to the apostles
but that the Almighty in heaven servant. Christians must deny this
verse and claim that he is the spirit “incarnated” from birth rather
than a servant and man who YAHWEH put his spirit upon.
To address “I Am” as a claim to be Almighty, a person must recognize
that the name of YAHWEH is removed from their scriptures and that the
name is not listed in Exodus 3:14 but rather it is removed from verse
15 and hidden from Christian eyes.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to ALL
GENERATIONS.’
His remembrance for ALL GENRATIONS is not Jesus, it’s not LORD, it is
YAHWEH. The name is recorded over 6,800 times in Hebrew scriptures
and removed completely from the New Testament. To say, “I Am” is a
claim to being the Almighty, we might as well worship Peter who says
in Acts:
Act 10:21 Then Kepha went down to the men which were sent unto him
from Cornelius; and said, Behold I AM he whom ye seek: what is the
cause wherefore ye are come?
Clearly saying, “I AM”, is not a call to say he is the Almighty that
we seek but Christians must ignore this fact. They must also ignore
the fact that scriptures clearly teach Yehoshua was a MAN who was
raised by YAHWEH.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, A
MAN approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
And:
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
It does not say he raised himself from the dead. To say otherwise is
to fail to acknowledge that he did in fact die which the Trinity
doctrine does. So many passages in the New Testament MUST be ignored
by Trinity Christians to support the lie that says we must worship
“Jesus” and they will refuse to actually address these many passages
and then go on to babble dogma such as:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
What they fail to take into account is that “the word” is not the
speaker of the word which is YAHWEH.
Gen 1:3 And Elohim SAID, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
Being the “word” is not an indication that Yehoshua was the speaker of
those words but rather created by the speaker as Hebrew scriptures
says YAHWEH creates all things.
Isa 45:11 Thus said YAHWEH, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl, and his
Maker, “Do you ask Me about My sons what is to come? And about the
work of My hands do you command Me?
Isa 45:12 “I have made the earth, and created man on it. I, My hands
have stretched out the heavens, and ALL their host I have commanded.
When called to worship Satan, Jesus did not say, “Worship me”, he said
to worship YAHWEH and Christians again remove this name from
scriptures:
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
We can see the Hebrew text quoted speaks only of YAHWEH. Christians
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
So, even if Yehoshua is “God”, YAHWEH is the “GOD OF GODS” even by
their translation. We are told to pray to our Father in heaven, while
Yehoshua was on earth, he states that power and authority is given to
him and that of his own, he could do nothing but the most convincing
evidence of purposeful mistranslation are the following passage:
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Many more can be given but Christians do not desire the truth, they
desire to be right in following man made tradition. Merry season of
the Yule, X-Mass
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odnyer
Evidently...no one is aware of this except you. Must be another of
those Pauline delusions that are common among your people.
duke
>On Dec 14, 3:21�am, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
The risen Lord Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead.
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Snow
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:09:22 -0800 (PST), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 3:21 am, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>
> The risen Lord Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead.
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Father’s name.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
This is the ONLY name ever given.
Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of
Yahweh shall be saved.’
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Linda Lee
> Snow wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 3:53 pm, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Speaking of lunacy, how'd that trip to Washington to shut down Kelly
> >>>> work out for you? Hmmm, Rodney? Never made it there, now did you? Of
> >>>> course not. You're all bluff with absolutely no stuff.
> >>> different results. “
You've got his MO (method-of-operation) down-pat. He falsely claims he
has respect for others' beliefs, ignores every evidence presented to
him that his message is false, and then continues to go on the attack,
baiting with his lies.
He is the biggest conman on these boards; that's why I call him
Snowjob; he is a compulsive liar, antichrist, and Christian-baiter who
is only capable of being a hypocrite. Snowjob is a disgusting piece of
work.
Here are examples of Snowjob's idea of civil "debate" and respect for
the beliefs of others:
Snowjob says worship of Christ is about equivalent to worshipping
Satan, and he doesn't care if people worship Satan; Snowjob says: “I
don't care if somebody worships Satan because it is not much
difference then worship of Jesus” - 12/13/09 - from
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/4f0ecc8a3aa4d5f5
Snowjob claims, "Christianity isn’t worth the toilet paper they print
bibles on"? - 11/25/09 - from http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/f664cfd9aefb9de3
Snowjob's condoning of his own hypocrisy and dishonesty:
Snowjob posts: “Politeness, n: The most acceptable hypocrisy.” -
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/4573007f8c33d84a
Snowjob says to me, "you are a murderer by consent, your insides are
bothering you" - 11/12/08 http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/b9f2f89323879d2d
A year later, Snowjob says to me “go burn in Hell with the other baby
killers. If you would like to hear more, please continue to post to me
you Jezebel Witch. Apologize to a witch like you, get a life” -
10/23/09 - http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/a09f9ce13f4837b4
Snowjob claims he doesn't want to attack; it is those nasty Christians
who attack him while he equates worship of Christ with worship of
Satan, and tells us Christianity isn't worth the toilet paper he
claims Bibles are printed on.
Yet, because I haven't posted much the last few days, he finds an old
post of mine from October 24th and because he wants to continue to
fight, six weeks after my initial post, he replies to me, baiting me
by lying to me as usual (and excusing his previous attacks as due to a
"bad day" and throws in how a Christian isn't forgiving of him):
Snowjob posts "See, I didn't call you a murderer.. I said you voted
for baby killers. Besides.. sounds like I had a bad day. You really
are a forgiving soul aren't you? " -
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/e977863d196d0e25
To which I replied as follows (from
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/9b23419d29b6e5e3
):
- Show quoted text -
> On Oct 24, 3:42 am, guardian Snow <mr_snow_pheo...@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
> > On Oct 24, 3:16 am,LindaLee<lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 23, 1:30 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 23, 9:34 am,LindaLee<lyndalee8...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > Be damned then JEZEBEL WITCH! I do not want to talk to you and I
> > > > apologized already in the past.
> > You lied.. no you lied... see how we can continue this for eternity..
> > Jezebel.. so filled with hatred .. go vote for some more baby killers.
> See, I didn't call you a murderer.. I said you voted for baby
> killers. Besides.. sounds like I had a bad day.
You have a lot of bad days in which your real evil nature shines
through that facade you try to present here.
> You really are a
> forgiving soul aren't you?
LOL! What a liar you are. And you sure weren't a "forgiving soul" for
over a year, branding me as a murderer and babykiller because I voted
for Obama, but then you're a hypocrite.
Snowjob says to me, "you are a murderer by consent, your insides are
bothering you" - 11/12/08 http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/b9f2f893238...
A year later, Snowjob says to me, “go burn in Hell with the other baby
killers. If you would like to hear more, please continue to post to me
you Jezebel Witch. Apologize to a witch like you, get a life” -
10/23/09 - http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/a09f9ce13f4...
You're a conman, Snowjob; you falsely claim you have respect for
others' opinions, yet where was your alleged 'respect for my opinion'
when you branded me a hypocrite and a whore because I chose not to use
YHWH for "God" and 'set-apart' for the word "holy" when you demanded
it?
That was the start of the trouble between you and me, your control-
freak insistence I believe as you'd come to believe or you would
attack me and call names.
And where was your alleged 'respect for my opinion' when you branded
me as a person who condones murder simply because I voted for
President Obama? You have no respect for others' opinions; you're
just always the liar and hypocrite; that is why you're Snowjob and
"Dark Man".
Luke 17:3 "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against
thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."
You don't repent and seek forgiveness, you just keep lying and
accusing, trying to weasel your way out of things you've done, and
then repeating what you've done, excusing yourself as having had a
"bad day" no matter how many times you repeat your evilness.
Linda Lee
> On Dec 14, 3:21 am, JohnH <je...@god.com> wrote:
>
> > > Are you capable of civil debate?
>
> > Do you not understand English? I already gave you three examples that
> > showed how you do not respect my beliefs, AND YOU IGNORED THEM ALL. You
> > couldn't/wouldn't support your contention that you respected my beliefs
> > then, so I have absolutely no reason to expect you to be completely
> > honest with me now. To make this even more plain, I have no intention
> > of debating anyone, such as yourself, who I've already proven to be
> > dishonest.
>
> So, your answer is no. Figures. Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
<I'm sick of Snowjob's Christian-baiting, and his anti-christ/
counterfeit-'Messianic' message mysteriously missing any role for
Yahashua` the Messiah, and his fellow 'phony believer', profane, wife-
beating, God-hating male chauvinist pig buddy "Rod", so ...SNIP
Snowjob's eternal lying confusion>>
The prophet Isaiah prophesied that the Gentiles would worship
Yahashua` the Messiah as God:
Isa. 11:1 says, "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of
Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots".
'Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible' regarding Isa. 11:1
("And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a
Branch shall grow out of his roots"): - "The Chaldee paraphrase reads
this, There shall come forth a King from the sons of Jesse, and the
Messiah (or Christ) shall be anointed out of his sons' sons."
Isa. 11:10 continues saying of the Messiah, "And in that day there
shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign ["signal"]
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be
glorious".
The word here translated 'seek' - Heb. 1875 - is defined "A primitive
root; properly to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or
search); by implication to seek or ask; specifically to worship".
SPECIFICALLY TO WORSHIP - the GENTILES would WORSHIP the MESSIAH.
GOD says OF HIMSELF as the crucified Messiah in Zech. 12:10, "And I
will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of
Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall
look upon ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall mourn for him, as
one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as
one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The MESSIAH taught in John 5:23, "That all men should honour the Son,
even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son
honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."
The word here translated 'honour'/'honoureth' - Gk. 5091 - is defined
"to prize, that is, fix a valuation upon; by implication to revere".
The Messiah taught that "all men" should honor (prize, value, and
revere) the SON JUST AS THEY DO GOD THE FATHER, and that if they do
NOT, they do not have the Father.
You have nothing, Snowjob, because you deny the Son of God as God
incarnate as our only Saviour.
duke
>> The risen Lord Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead.
>Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
>another, neither my praise to graven images.
>There is only ONE.
Of course there in only one God. And in Genesis, God hinted he was more than
"one". In the NT, he is revealed is "3 persons".
Jesus the man was fully man. He never exposed his divine nature (in general).
The man was not called to be worshipped. But the resurrected Lord and the 2nd
person of the Holy Trinity - Yes.
>This is the ONLY name ever given.
By who?
Snow
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:54:08 -0800 (PST), Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >> The risen Lord Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead.
> >Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
> >another, neither my praise to graven images.
> >There is only ONE.
>
> Of course there in only one God. And in Genesis, God hinted he was more than
> "one". In the NT, he is revealed is "3 persons".
>
> Jesus the man was fully man. He never exposed his divine nature (in general).
> The man was not called to be worshipped. But the resurrected Lord and the 2nd
> person of the Holy Trinity - Yes.
Joh 5:37 “And the Father WHO SENT ME, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, NOR SEEN HIS FORM.
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
> >This is the ONLY name ever given.
>
> By who?
Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
shew judgment to the Gentiles.
duke
>> By who?
>SENT ME.�
Luke 2:21 (New International Version)
Jesus Presented in the Temple
21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus,
the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
Snow
Let's quote your version of scriptures then that you may understand:
(KJV)
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ
Last time I check, my deity didn't have another deity.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע
[YEHOSHUA] Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused
us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection
of יהושע Messiah from the dead,
vince garcia
john 5
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only
had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus, and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto
you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth8 the Son, and showeth him all things that
himself doeth: and he will show him greater works than these, that ye
may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so
the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto
the Son:
23 That all men should
honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent
him.
John 14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Unlike what you and john seemed to believe, we can pray directly to
Jesus BECAUSE HE IS GOD and EQUAL WITH GOD!
Ed Form
> john 5
> 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
> 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only
> had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father,
>
> making himself equal with God.
Had he broken the Sabbath, Vince?
Ed Form
Snow
> Unlike what you and john seemed to believe, we can pray directly to
> Jesus BECAUSE HE IS GOD and EQUAL WITH GOD!
I find it interesting that you don't believe your own scriptures
vince.
Your scriptures read:
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Aren't you the one who said, I deny John.. who really denies him? You
just quoted: The Son can do nothing of himself
We honor the son be actually following what he teaches and not just
using it to condemn everybody that doesn't by into your doctrine.
vince garcia
Actually, many people say yes, based on the words "because he not only
had broken the sabbath". That reasonably sounds like an affirmation of
the accusation, rather than merely stating the accusation. Then there
would come more arguments about the rationale why they feel Jesus WOULD
break the sabbath (in order to show that the Law itself was coming to an
end, and so forth).
Now while I am among those who say no, that fact doesn't also mean Jesus
was NOT making Himself equal with God for many reasons. Forgiving sins,
accepting and answering prayers made directly to him, judging at the
last Judgment and casting some into the lake of fire, while welcoming
others into the kingdom, and a host of reasons beyond that make it clear
to orthodox Chrisinaity that Jesus is fully God and fully man, and MUST
be in order to the the proper sacrifice for our sins and/or to hold the
positions of authority He is given.
I understand you still deny this, but it is the truth nonetheless
We've been thru this before, methinks.
vince garcia
>
> On Dec 16, 2:08 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Unlike what you and john seemed to believe, we can pray directly to
> > Jesus BECAUSE HE IS GOD and EQUAL WITH GOD!
>
> I find it interesting that you don't believe your own scriptures
> vince.
>
> Your scriptures read:
> 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ
> Joh 5:30 �Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
> Joh 5:31 �If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
> Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, �He who believes in Me,
> believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
> Mar 9:37 �Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
> SENT ME.�
>
> Aren't you the one who said, I deny John.. who really denies him? You
> just quoted: The Son can do nothing of himself
I'm not disbelieving anything. What you're missing are all the teachings
of paul that you reject; and you fail to understand how Jesus--in whom
all the fullness of deity dwelt in bodily form--was interacting with the
world, and who, "being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be
EQUAL WITH GOD [there you go, Snow]: But made himself of no reputation,
and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of
men"
In His humanity, Jesus took on certain limitations OF a man. But once
glorified, he added that human nature to His deity, and now functioned
without human limitation, being EQUAL WITH GOD, while having THE
FULLNESS OF DEITY DWELLING IN HIM [that is, in his flesh body], having
retained also the physical likeness of a human man
amen
>
> We honor the son be actually following what he teaches and not just
> using it to condemn everybody that doesn't by into your doctrine.
No you don't. You DISHONOR the son by rejecting His greatest messenger,
paul. And you dishonor Him by the religious construct you make out of
Him IN that rejection
Snow
> > > Unlike what you and john seemed to believe, we can pray directly to
> > > Jesus BECAUSE HE IS GOD and EQUAL WITH GOD!
>
> > I find it interesting that you don't believe your own scriptures
> > vince.
>
> > Your scriptures read:
> > 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ
> > Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
> > Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
> > Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
> > believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
> > Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> > receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
> > SENT ME.”
>
> > Aren't you the one who said, I deny John.. who really denies him? You
> > just quoted: The Son can do nothing of himself
>
> I'm not disbelieving anything. What you're missing are all the teachings
> of paul that you reject;
Nothing to do with apples and oranges Vince and you know that again in
"Christian" form when cornered on issues you change the topic. The
topic is supposedly the deityhood of the Messiah. Why do you deny the
scriptures you claim to believe.. all the books of the Good News
clearly teach that Yehoshua has a deity that he called out to and
prayed to.
He didn't go off by himself to pray to himself and he didn't raise
himself from the dead.. The scriptures make it clear that the external
POWER that he is on the right hand of, raised him and gave him
authority. YAHWEH has no need to have anything given to him when he
created it all.
vince garcia
>
> On Dec 16, 4:48 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Unlike what you and john seemed to believe, we can pray directly to
> > > > Jesus BECAUSE HE IS GOD and EQUAL WITH GOD!
> >
> > > I find it interesting that you don't believe your own scriptures
> > > vince.
> >
> > > Your scriptures read:
> > > 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ
> > > Joh 5:30 �Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
> > > Joh 5:31 �If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
> > > Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, �He who believes in Me,
> > > believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
> > > Mar 9:37 �Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> > > receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
> > > SENT ME.�
> >
> > > Aren't you the one who said, I deny John.. who really denies him? You
> > > just quoted: The Son can do nothing of himself
> >
> > I'm not disbelieving anything. What you're missing are all the teachings
> > of paul that you reject;
>
> Nothing to do with apples and oranges Vince and you know that again in
> "Christian" form when cornered on issues you change the topic.
I didn't change the topic a bit. I reiterated how one reason you reject
paul is that he taught the deity of Christ, and it is easier for you to
refute that by dismissing all his writings.
I don't play the strom BS game that I am only allowed to refute you by
using books of the Nt you approve of.
I only need one verse by paul to deny your theology (though the idea
goes beyond him to the john you think denies the doctrine)
But the verse you quote (and any others like them) proves nothing in
regard to denying the deity of Christ. It is simply Jesus acting in the
capacity of a man, 'emptying Himself' of the attributes of deity during
His ministry on earth.
So sentences like "the Father is greater than I" or "Not even the son of
man knoweth" don't militate against the full deity of Christ one bit.
The
> topic is supposedly the deityhood of the Messiah. Why do you deny the
> scriptures you claim to believe.. all the books of the Good News
> clearly teach that Yehoshua has a deity that he called out to and
> prayed to.
so? That doesn't prove your point one bit. Not even slightly when
weighed agsinst the toitality of scripture and the portrait it paints.
You can 'prove' any BS doctrine by pulling one verse here, another
there, and claiming others don't mean what they say.
That's how cultists work, and that's what makes them cultists.
It's not a question of "I've proven that...
I'm saved by my works, not faith alone...
Jesus is an exalted angel...
Paul contradicted jesus...
The Holy spirit is a force...
Jesus taught LDS theology..."
"...and you must now 'prove' me wrong"
No...you simply spouted out some heresy by misusing and misunderstanding
scripture, and you expect your opponent to meet YOUR level of 'proof'
for you to admit you are wrong.
That's not how heretics are handled. We don't get into pointless,
prolonged debates with people under demonic deception. Heretics are
handled by confronting them with the truth, denying their teachings, and
leaving them in God's hands.
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and
strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject
So no, I won't always play the game you want me to play. I might have a
long discussion on some points with you if i have a good reason to, but
typically, I will provide you the truth you will reject, and leave you
to your decepetion, which can only be lifted by God's supernatural
influence, not by arguing with you intellectually
Aaron
>1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master ?????
>[YEHOSHUA] Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused
>us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection
>of ????? Messiah from the dead,
I am getting question marks. Maybe you are using a web-browser
program instead of a newsreader?
Either way...
"Yshu`a (salvation)" is the name of Messiah; "Yehoshu`a (God is my
salvation)" is a different name coming from the same root word,
"yshu`ah."
To the point of the tread:
Duke has brought up the Unity of God. In the Bible, God is revealed
in the person of the Father, the Holy Spirit, the Shekinah, and the
Messiah. He has a point that all of the aspects of God are One.
However, I think that Snow is trying to make a point too. (Maybe I am
reading into Snow's post.) God told us to worship Elohim (all of
God). Messiah taught us to pray: "Our Father..." We were never given
permission to worship a part of God instead of all of God. There are
people who worship the Holy Spirit, and think that you need to do
miracles to be saved, and when no miracles happen they fake it and
desperately try to convince themselves that they really spoke in
tongues, received prophecy, or whatever. There are people who worship
Messiah (usually after dejudaizing Him) and these people's
denominations teach that they should blaspheme against the Holy Spirit
to prove that they have faith in Messiah's power to forgive evil.
Obviously disobeying God, even in a way that seems harmless, can do
great evil.
Aaron
Messiah taght us to pray only to the father, "Our Father whi is in
Heaven..." Anyone who objects to messiah's instruction is wrong.
Snow
> > > I'm not disbelieving anything. What you're missing are all the teachings
> > > of paul that you reject;
>
> > Nothing to do with apples and oranges Vince and you know that again in
> > "Christian" form when cornered on issues you change the topic.
>
> I didn't change the topic a bit. I reiterated how one reason you reject
> paul is that he taught the deity of Christ, and it is easier for you to
> refute that by dismissing all his writings.
>
> I don't play the strom BS game that I am only allowed to refute you by
> using books of the Nt you approve of.
Why bother. You seem to think I care what you think. You are
entitled to believe what you want.
So, it is your assertion that While Yehoshua called out to a deity
that was greater then him, whose name he came in and told all people
to pray and worship... that Peter says is his deity... That John says
is his deity... but Paul says something different???
Interesting.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, ++a
man++ approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Seems like Luke says he was a man also.. wouldn't this have been the
perfect time to inform us he was a deity.
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
doesn't say he raised himself from the dead either as you pretend it
does.. So.. go on.. but the reality is that I back my facts up with
the scriptures and you go around making wild eyed claims.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Even your version of scriptures says "God is Spirit".. You don't like
it.. get over it and agree to disagree and then move on to more
important topics because this is old Vince... You "Christians" crap on
about the same old topic day after day because you are afraid of
addressing any real issues of things that actually occur in the world.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah
So... deny that Peter states clearly that Yehoshua had a deity...
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and
be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my
RIGHT HAND, and on my left, is NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be GIVEN
TO THEM for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Deny that he did NOT have authority except that which was GIVEN TO
HIM.
Mar 10:40 But to sit on my RIGHT HAND and on my left hand is NOT MINE
TO GIVE; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
You are the one that denies ALL THE GOOD NEWS! Not me...
Mar 16:19 So then after Yehoshua had spoken unto them, he was received
up into heaven, and sat on the RIGHT HAND of YHWH.
Deny that he is at the RIGHT HAND OF YAHWEH and the right hand of
power...
Tell everybody that he came in his own name and that men have seen
YAHWEH and know him...
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:49 For I have NOT spoken of MYSELF; but the Father WHICH SENT
ME, HE GAVE me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak.
You make him a liar to support your phony dogma and then go around
claiming I'm a "heretic" but you have no proof.. You see the
scriptures and I put them in your fact so that you know.. I can back
my claim by reading what he said ... I don't have to manufacture what
he is "suppose to mean" because it's all in black in white in my
scriptures.
Joh 7:16 Yehoshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is NOT MINE,
but HIS THAT SENT ME.
What ALMIGHTY deity doesn't preach his own doctrine?
Joh 14:28 “You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am
coming to you.’ If you did love Me, you would have rejoiced that I
said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
What kind of ALMIGHTY has one greater than himself??
See... I back up my claims and YOU fabricate things out of thin air...
whose the heritic and who believes the good news to have received it
from the MESSIAH HIMSELF!!!
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
You want to accuse me.. start by actually addressing some of these
issues and then I'll heap on a dozen more but to date.. NOT A SINGLE
Christian has actually addressed this with anything but Linda Lee
style wide eyed accusations and thats the facts. Then explain why an
ALMIGHTY being would have his voice come down from heaven and call
himself his own servant?
Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
shew judgment to the Gentiles.
You make the Messiah into nothing but a cheap ventriloquist throwing
his voice around for a show.
Grow up and agree to disagree and move on Vince.. this is not a topic
you are ready to actually explain.
Joh 5:37 “And the Father WHO SENT ME, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, NOR SEEN HIS FORM.
He can't be the Father and YAHWEH IS ONE. Not a trinity which EVEN
PAUL never laid that claim...
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
Yehoshua was dead... YAHWEH raised him.. the dead don't raise
themselves.. they are dead.. remember... no brain activity... DEAD...
Just because you CAN'T use a version of scriptures that doesn't remove
the set apart name of YAHWEH from it.. don't blame your confusion on
me... Even King James authors know the write the "Lord" for Jesus with
only a capitol and not LORD as it is written when it means YAHWEH.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till
I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Big LORD.. and Lord for Jesus.. figure it out for yourself....
vince garcia
Fantastic. Here again is an example of aaron's teaching one thing, and
Jesus contradicting him and teaching something else:
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will _I_ do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, _I_ will do it.
Once more, this is an example of a deceived messianic polluting the
gospel, and trying to deceive the elect into damnation with the
judaisers he is a part of.
guardian Snow
ask away.... but you better be praying to "Our Father in heaven" when
you do it... "Jesus"/Yehoshua was on earth when he made that
statement...
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, a
man approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Mal 3:6 For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are
not consumed.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah
Joh 5:37 “And the Father WHO SENT ME, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, NOR SEEN HIS FORM.
Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Joh 5:27 And hath GIVEN him authority to execute judgment also,
because he is the Son of man.
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and
be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my
right hand, and on my left, IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be given
to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Mat 28:18 And Yahushua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is
GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.
Joh 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and DOES NOT
come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:49 For I have NOT spoken of MYSELF; but the Father WHICH SENT
ME, HE GAVE me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS EVERLASTING LIFE:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I
speak.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Joh 7:16 Yehoshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is NOT MINE,
but HIS THAT SENT ME.
Joh 10:29 “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all.
And no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
Joh 5:19 Then answered YEHOSHUA, said to them, Verily, verily, I say
unto
you, The Son can do nothing of himself
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Joh 5:46 “For if you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me,
since he wrote about Me.
Joh 5:47 “But if you do not believe his writings, how shall you
believe My words?”
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
Mat 26:39 And going forward a little, He fell on His face, and prayed,
saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me.
Yet NOT AS I DESIRE, but as You desire.”
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship יהוה [YAHWEH] your Elohim, and Him alone
you shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
Deu 32:3 “For I proclaim the Name of [Yahweh] יהוה, Ascribe greatness
to our Elohim.
His name is not Baal Gawd!
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>
> On Dec 16, 12:22� pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Aaron wrote:
> >
> > > ***SNIP***
> >
> > > Messiah taght us to pray only to the father, "Our Father whi is in
> > > Heaven..." � Anyone who objects to messiah's instruction is wrong.
> >
> > Fantastic. Here again is an example of aaron's teaching one thing, and
> > Jesus contradicting him and teaching something else:
> >
> > And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will _I_ do, that the
> > Father may be glorified in the Son.
> > If ye shall ask any thing in my name, _I_ will do it.
> >
> > Once more, this is an example of a deceived messianic polluting the
> > gospel, and trying to deceive the elect into damnation with the
> > judaisers he is a part of.
>
> ask away.... but you better be praying to "Our Father in heaven" when
> you do it... "Jesus"/Yehoshua was on earth when he made that
> statement...
>
Uh, i might or might not pray to the Father. I CAN pray to the Father,
but to the Son (as shown right there by His own words and stephen
praying "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit") or even the Holy Spirit, since
HE seems to be the one who calls people into ministry, according to
Acts.
So I have again just exposed a false doctrine you and aaron teach (i.e.,
that we can ONLY pray to the Father), and as I said in my last post
about cultists, you will reject the truth shown you, and continue
teaching the false doctrines you hold, because that's what cultists do
Snow
Not a lick of scriptures to support your rubbish...
Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
As I speak on various topics on the Usenet, several “Christians”
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The next is the claim that every time Yehoshua says, “I AM” his is
claiming to be the Almighty rather then his servant which goes against
all the verses that say YAHWEH put his spirit on the man.
Mat 12:18 Behold MY SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
show judgment to the Gentiles.
This does not say he is mankind’s servant or servant to the apostles
but that the Almighty in heaven servant. Christians must deny this
verse and claim that he is the spirit “incarnated” from birth rather
than a servant and man who YAHWEH put his spirit upon.
To address “I Am” as a claim to be Almighty, a person must recognize
that the name of YAHWEH is removed from their scriptures and that the
name is not listed in Exodus 3:14 but rather it is removed from verse
15 and hidden from Christian eyes.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to ALL
GENERATIONS.’
His remembrance for ALL GENRATIONS is not Jesus, it’s not LORD, it is
YAHWEH. The name is recorded over 6,800 times in Hebrew scriptures
and removed completely from the New Testament. To say, “I Am” is a
claim to being the Almighty, we might as well worship Peter who says
in Acts:
Act 10:21 Then Kepha went down to the men which were sent unto him
from Cornelius; and said, Behold I AM he whom ye seek: what is the
cause wherefore ye are come?
Clearly saying, “I AM”, is not a call to say he is the Almighty that
we seek but Christians must ignore this fact. They must also ignore
the fact that scriptures clearly teach Yehoshua was a MAN who was
raised by YAHWEH.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, A
MAN approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
And:
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
It does not say he raised himself from the dead. To say otherwise is
to fail to acknowledge that he did in fact die which the Trinity
doctrine does. So many passages in the New Testament MUST be ignored
by Trinity Christians to support the lie that says we must worship
“Jesus” and they will refuse to actually address these many passages
and then go on to babble dogma such as:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
What they fail to take into account is that “the word” is not the
speaker of the word which is YAHWEH.
Gen 1:3 And Elohim SAID, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
Being the “word” is not an indication that Yehoshua was the speaker of
those words but rather created by the speaker as Hebrew scriptures
says YAHWEH creates all things.
Isa 45:11 Thus said YAHWEH, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl, and his
Maker, “Do you ask Me about My sons what is to come? And about the
work of My hands do you command Me?
Isa 45:12 “I have made the earth, and created man on it. I, My hands
have stretched out the heavens, and ALL their host I have commanded.
When called to worship Satan, Jesus did not say, “Worship me”, he said
to worship YAHWEH and Christians again remove this name from
scriptures:
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
We can see the Hebrew text quoted speaks only of YAHWEH. Christians
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
So, even if Yehoshua is “God”, YAHWEH is the “GOD OF GODS” even by
their translation. We are told to pray to our Father in heaven, while
Yehoshua was on earth, he states that power and authority is given to
him and that of his own, he could do nothing but the most convincing
evidence of purposeful mistranslation are the following passage:
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Many more can be given but Christians do not desire the truth, they
desire to be right in following man made tradition. Merry season of
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vince garcia
I GAVE YOU THE SCRIPTURE, YOU IDIOT!
Need it again???
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will _I_ do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, _I_ will do it.
Now go ahead--spam a meg's worth of your ramblings denying that. You'll
still be wrong, because it only takes one verse of TRUTH to refute pages
of error
Snow
> I GAVE YOU THE SCRIPTURE, YOU IDIOT!
>
> Need it again???
>
> And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will _I_ do, that the
> Father may be glorified in the Son.
> If ye shall ask any thing in my name, _I_ will do it.
>
> Now go ahead--spam a meg's worth of your ramblings denying that. You'll
> still be wrong, because it only takes one verse of TRUTH to refute pages
> of error
This does not say that he is a deity to be worshiped idolater. You
can ask anything in anybodies name.. that isn't a claim for worship or
that the person you asked is a diety. So, why do you NOT glorify the
Father YAHWEH?
Joh 5:37 “And the Father WHO SENT ME, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, NOR SEEN HIS FORM.
When will you believe John's account that you haven't seen his form
because Elohim is Spirit???
Ed Form
> And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
> Father may be glorified in the Son.
Mt 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power *is* *given* unto me in heaven and in earth.
Ed Form
vince garcia
uh...amen
so what is the point? And the greek says "WAS given me," not that it
matters
Snow
Correct Ed.. "Trinity" Christians seem to have a real problem with the
idea that Yehoshua was a man that manifested the SPIRIT of YAHWEH.
That authority and power was given to him when he was baptized by
John.
Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put MY SPIRIT upon him, and he shall
shew judgment to the Gentiles.
That the SPIRIT of YAHWEH is put upon the servants of YAHWEH and that
this SPIRIT is greater than the man.
Joh 5:19 Then answered YEHOSHUA, said to them, Verily, verily, I say
unto
you, The Son can do nothing of himself
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
These are not the statements of an ALMIGHTY deity and they are
clinging to man made dogma and refusing to recognize that fact.
Joh 14:28 “You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am
coming to you.’ If you did love Me, you would have rejoiced that I
said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ ^^for My Father is greater than I.
^^
The ALMIGHTY does not have one greater than himself.
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.1
Footnote: 1See v. 68, and 1 Cor. 15:45. Word and Spirit are in unity.
Ed Form
> Ed Form wrote:
>>
>> On 16/12/2009 12:26:47, vince garcia wrote:
>> > And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
>> > Father may be glorified in the Son.
>> > If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
>>
>> Mt 28:18
>> And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
>> All power *is* *given* unto me in heaven and in earth.
>
>
> so what is the point? And the greek says "WAS given me," not that it
> matters
The KJV version is an old fashioned past tense - It's the same as 'has
been given.'
The point is that Jesus did not have that power; it had to be given to him
by someone who had it to give. So the fact that Jesus is able to do things
that his followers petition him to do isn't because he is God, it's
because God has given him the power to do it.
Ed Form
duke
God and Father of the man Jesus whose divinity was revealed to mankind after his
resurrection.
duke
All I can get out of snow's words is that he reads everything in terms of Jewish
names.
Of course, the biggest problem I have is that snow only accepts that which came
first (OT), and then reads the new (NT) only in terms of the first.
The first prefigures the second, the second fulfills the first. Nobody met God
in the first. Man met God become man in the second.
> (Maybe I am
>reading into Snow's post.) God told us to worship Elohim (all of
>God). Messiah taught us to pray: "Our Father..." We were never given
>permission to worship a part of God instead of all of God. There are
>people who worship the Holy Spirit, and think that you need to do
>miracles to be saved, and when no miracles happen they fake it and
>desperately try to convince themselves that they really spoke in
>tongues, received prophecy, or whatever. There are people who worship
>Messiah (usually after dejudaizing Him) and these people's
>denominations teach that they should blaspheme against the Holy Spirit
>to prove that they have faith in Messiah's power to forgive evil.
>Obviously disobeying God, even in a way that seems harmless, can do
>great evil.
The Dukester, American-American
Snow
> All I can get out of snow's words is that he reads everything in terms of Jewish
> names.
A simple investigation shows that the context of "Yah" is simply a
title that compares to how modern men would use the word, "God". It
always says, "praise the name of Yah" but it never says, "My name is
Yah" it says his name is YAHWEH.
Some Pastors hate the truth! They will jump through hoops to make
sure that people never look at Restored Name versions of scriptures.
They don’t want you to have access to the truth either because if you
did, you would leave their congregations yesterday. They don’t want
you to know one simple thing, the name of the Messiah’s deity, YAHWEH,
praise his name.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YHWH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YHWH hath said, and in the remnant whom YHWH
shall call.
Simply put, they hate the fact that the Messiah had a deity and they
hate his deity that gave him a command alongside his 12 apostles.
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Yehoshua cried out with a loud voice,
saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lamah sheḇaqtani?”1 which is translated, “My Ěl,
My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me?”
Footnote: 1 In Hebrew - “Eli, Eli lamah azaḇtani” - as per Ps. 22:1.
They hate the truth because it makes them uncomfortable knowing they
are the preachers of the Dragon of Revelation.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of YHWH,
and have the testimony of Yehoshua the Messiah.
The Church of the Dragon is any church that preaches against the 10
commandments of YHWH.
One of them, “Dr. Dave T.”, Pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Palatka,
FL, said, “Or, in terms that we Christians use, he is saying JESUS
CHRIST IS NOT GOD. The very reference he uses - John 8:58 - is the
very verse that refutes this cult statement. What did Jesus/Yehoshua
claim in this verse? He claimed He was the God of the burning bush
from Exodus 3:14, the One who said to Moses, "I AM THAT I AM: and he
said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent
me unto you." Look at Exodus 3:14-15 –“
Exo 3:14 And Elohim said unto Moses, “I AM THAT I AM”: and he said,
“Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me
unto you.” 15 And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, “Thus shalt thou
say unto the children of Israel, 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated Yahweh]
Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac,
and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for
ever, and this is my remembrance for all generations”.
What are the Hebrew words used in this verse for "LORD" and "God"?
[Snow] The Hebrew words for “LORD” are Adonai and Baal. The Hebrew
words that are mistranslated as “God” are Elohim, Eloah, Elohiym,
EL . “God” is not a name, it is a title and this same title is used
by Abraham [Gen 23:6], Moses [Exodus 7:1] and all of Israel [Psalm
82:6] and finally by the Messiah [John 10:34]. I found it almost
laughable that somebody who claimed to be a Doctor doesn’t know
something as simple and basic as this.
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
The shameful misinformation Christians continue to put forward and
then call me a liar is to their own detriment. It speaks to the fact
that Christians must hide the name of the Almighty Father, written
6832 times in the Hebrew scriptures as [יהוה] Yahweh. They will refuse
to acknowledge his name as the commandments states:
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
“Dr. Dave T.” did begin to acknowledge the truth, he quoted:
“Ex 3:15 - "LORD" is YHWH, the unpronounceable Tetragrammaton that has
been Anglicized Jehovah from the German/Latin understanding of YaHoWaH
(where the vowel points of Adonai have been inserted into the word
YHWH). Again, from The Complete Word Study Dictionary - "Although the
exact derivation of the name is uncertain, most scholars agree that
its primary meaning should be understood in the context of God's
existence, namely, that He is the "I AM THAT I AM" (Exo_3:14), the One
who was, who is, and who always will be (cf. Rev_11:17)."
But then he added his own lie:
Notice what e-S resource Barnes' Notes says - "It corresponds exactly
to the preceding verse, the words “I am” and “Jehovah” (Yahweh) being
equivalent."
[Snow] No, it says, "I AM THAT I AM". It does not say, “I AM” and you
show yourself to be a liar because you want so badly to try and
portray yourself as the victim of a grievous lie and you are but how
ironic is it that it is your own lie?
“Dr. Dave T.” said, “According to Barnes' (and just about everyone
else I checked), "I AM" = "Jehovah."
Ex 3:15 - "God" (used 5x in this verse) - is the Hebrew word Elohim,
which is a general name for "God." While the noun is plural, the
verbs, when used of The Creator God of Heaven & Earth - the God of the
Bible, are always singular. And this YHWH is the One and Only Elohim.
[Scriptures say]
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with thy entire mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
[Snow] Notice he has mixed fiction with truth because he needs to
support a lie. The true statement is that, “YHWH is the One and Only
Elohim”. Elohim is not a “general name” it is a title that he noted
“when used of the creator”.. this acknowledges that Elohim means only
“mighty one” and is used of many people and even a city. Like Satan,
he must mix a lie with the truth.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said to the woman, “You shall certainly not
die.”
The preachers of the Dragon want you to believe THEM, not the Messiah
who said:
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Rabbi, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is
none good but one, that is, Elohim: but if thou wilt enter into life,
keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Yehoshua said, Thou shalt do no
murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou
shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy
neighbor as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept
from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Yehoshua said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and
sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have
treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
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Aaron
<vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Aaron wrote:
>>
>> ***SNIP***
>>
>> Messiah taght us to pray only to the father, "Our Father who is in
>> Heaven..." Anyone who objects to messiah's instruction is wrong.
>
>
>Fantastic. Here again is an example of aaron's teaching one thing, and
>Jesus contradicting him and teaching something else:
So, you claim that that was not Messiah who taught the Sermon on the
Mount?
>
>And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will _I_ do, that the
>Father may be glorified in the Son.
>If ye shall ask any thing in my name, _I_ will do it.
That does not address the topic since the hebrew that jesus spoke does
not translate the way you pretend. The word "shem" here means in His
character and under His authority; worshipping Messiah instead of God
in hie totality is idolotry and therefore evil.
>
>Once more, this is an example of a deceived messianic polluting the
>gospel, and trying to deceive the elect into damnation with the
>judaisers he is a part of.
You antisemites hate the Bible so much you chose to rewrite it to
dejudaize the faith, and create a new fake religion.
Aaron
Since they both agree, there should be no problem with this. Since
the whole Bible is true, no one part can contradict any other part.
>
>The first prefigures the second, the second fulfills the first. Nobody met God
>in the first. Man met God become man in the second.
Adam met God.
Abraham met God.
Moses met God.
All of the Jews at mount Sinai heard God speak directly.
All of the Jews saw God's physical presence for 40 years in the
wilderness.
More importantly, Messiah makes blanket statements regarding the OT
even commanding His followers to obey all 613 Commandments, all of
which are in the first five books of the OT.
Ed Form
> Adam met God.
No he didn't. He met angels.
> Abraham met God.
No he didn't. He met angels acting on God's behalf, one of whom was called
Yahweh.
> Moses met God.
If you are speaking of the encounters on the mount and in the holy place,
no he didn't. He met someone whose name was Yahweh but that person wasn't
God.
> All of the Jews at mount Sinai heard God speak directly.
So they did.
> All of the Jews saw God's physical presence for 40 years in the
> wilderness.
So they did.
John the gospel writer was absolutely about meeting God...
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father,
he hath declared him.
> More importantly, Messiah makes blanket statements regarding the OT
> even commanding His followers to obey all 613 Commandments, all of
> which are in the first five books of the OT.
Jesus made no such statements. You may be able to show that he expected
his followers to obey 9 of the 10 commandments, but you will not be able
to find him demanding observance of the Sabbath. As for the idea that he
commanded people to follow 613 rules that weren't even dreamed into
existence by the Rabbis until hundreds of years later: balderdash!
Ed Form
vince garcia
>
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:22:22 -0800, vince garcia
> <vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Aaron wrote:
> >>
> >> ***SNIP***
> >>
> >> Messiah taght us to pray only to the father, "Our Father who is in
> >> Heaven..." Anyone who objects to messiah's instruction is wrong.
> >
> >
> >Fantastic. Here again is an example of aaron's teaching one thing, and
> >Jesus contradicting him and teaching something else:
>
> So, you claim that that was not Messiah who taught the Sermon on the
> Mount?
No--i claim you're a hell-bound, satan-anointed, judaising heretic who
doesn't understand the Bible, and spits out false doctrine like a
faucet.
vince garcia
Good post, ed.
Aaron
<vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I quoted the Sermon on the Mount, and you tried to twist a Jewish
expression to fit your antisemitic view. Yshu`a IS a Jew; He taught
Judaism to Jews in Israel, speaking Hebrew. men have made up myths to
dejuaaise Him, but the Bible disagrees with you.
Aaron
<ed....@theformsonline.com> wrote:
>On 16/12/2009 22:08:49, Aaron wrote:
>
>> Adam met God.
>
>No he didn't. He met angels.
>
>> Abraham met God.
>
>No he didn't. He met angels acting on God's behalf, one of whom was called
>Yahweh.
YHVH, which you have incorrectly transliterated is the Name of God.
>
>> Moses met God.
>
>If you are speaking of the encounters on the mount and in the holy place,
>no he didn't. He met someone whose name was Yahweh but that person wasn't
>God.
Again, YHVH, which you have incorrectly transliterated is the Name of
God.
>
>> All of the Jews at mount Sinai heard God speak directly.
>
>So they did.
>
>> All of the Jews saw God's physical presence for 40 years in the
>> wilderness.
>
>So they did.
>
>John the gospel writer was absolutely about meeting God...
>
> John 1:18
> No man hath seen God at any time;
> the only begotten Son,
> which is in the bosom of the Father,
> he hath declared him.
The totality of God cannot be seen by humans.
>
>> More importantly, Messiah makes blanket statements regarding the OT
>> even commanding His followers to obey all 613 Commandments, all of
>> which are in the first five books of the OT.
>
>Jesus made no such statements. You may be able to show that he expected
>his followers to obey 9 of the 10 commandments, but you will not be able
>to find him demanding observance of the Sabbath. As for the idea that he
>commanded people to follow 613 rules that weren't even dreamed into
>existence by the Rabbis until hundreds of years later: balderdash!
Wow! You really don't know the Bible very well!
Messiah disobeyed man-made chumrot (extra-strict additional rules) but
never violated the Sabbath. In Matthew 5:17-19, Messiah specificlly
states that the Mitzvot, all 613 of then found in the Torah are still
in full effect and must be obeyed "until heaven and Earth are
destroyed and everything has happened." The rabbis did not invent the
613 Commandments, or even the Oral Law; they invented the Chumrot.
The Jews only took the time to count the Commandments that are found
in the Tanakh (OT), but the rabbis never added anything man-made to
the list.
>
>Ed Form
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> JohnH je...@god.com wrote in hg1g3p$8gg$1...@news.albasani.net
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> JohnH wrote:
>>>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 10, 5:26 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or if the insane "Octo" mom is going to have still more
>>>>>>>>>> babies even though she can't take care of the bastards
>>>>>>>>> That's so sweet [NOT] - "the bastards". Is that how you view
>>>>>>>>> innocent little babies, with overriding condemning judgment? I
>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be surprised when you reveal what a LOWLIFE you
>>>>>>>>> really are. YOU are the real example of a 'bastard', a sham
>>>>>>>>> son of God.
>>>>>>>> Bastard \Bas"tard\, a.
>>>>>>>> 1. Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate. See
>>>>>>>> Bastard, n., note. [1913 Webster]
>>>>>>> "bas?tard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -noun
>>>>>>> 1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate
>>>>>>> child. 2. Slang.
>>>>>> If there ever was a text book definition of bastard children,
>>>>>> these would be it and I'm sure Webster would put their picture
>>>>>> next to his entry. I tend to think of bastard in the sense of
>>>>>> "fatherless children" and don't see it as an insult but maybe
>>>>>> the fact that you take offense to this word is speaking to
>>>>>> something in your own life?
>>>>> With that kind of logic, how do you define "nigger?" As a term
>>>>> that when it gives offense to black people, it only speaks to
>>>>> something in their lives...like them being born black, huh? You
>>>>> are as far from being intellectually honest as the east is from
>>>>> the west.
>>>>>> Care to make any confessions? I think you have just inspired my
>>>>>> next post:)
>>>>>>
>>>>> You just said it. Your definition of "inspired" is based on what
>>>>> "you think," and so it cannot be based upon any inspiration of
>>>>> God. And, yeah, that's right, you heard me correctly. I said
>>>>> "God."
>>>>> Here, I'll say it again. "God!" Does my saying "God" offend you?
>>>>> [You know it does.] Well, I tend to think of God in the sense of
>>>>> Him as
>>>>> The Supreme Being, and I don't see it as an insult, but apparently
>>>>> the fact that you take offense to the word "God" is speaking to
>>>>> something in your own life? Now, using your own logic, isn't that
>>>>> exactly right?]
>>>> I hate to disappoint you...
>>>>
>>> Too late. You've already started off with a stupid platitude.
>>> What's next, a trite clich�?
>>>> Fact of the matter is that you are just another lunatic in a long
>>>> line of Pauline lunatics that run about the net starting fights
>>>> and creating havoc when some one has a belief or an opinion that
>>>> differs from your own.
>>>>
>>> Look, the hypocrite speaks. Do you see the names of the above
>>> newsgroups? Is it registering yet? You're the outsider here,
>>> Rodney, and you obviously come into these groups to stir things up.
>>> It's what you do, Hypocrite Rodney, it's what you do. So if you
>>> truly want to talk about "lunatics that run about the net starting
>>> fights and creating havoc" [in newsgroups] where people will
>>> obviously have "a belief or an opinion that differs from your own,"
>>> get a mirror and talk away.
>>
>> Very well said, John.
>>
>> Where have you been? I have been missing you already. But I am
>> posting from ACC, and that might be the reason why I do not always
>> see you posting. It si great that there are still believers in God
>> and His word around, so we can all share the Gospel with those who
>> do not know it yet.
>>
>> Have a great Christmas!
>>
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too.
Thank you so much, John. Happy New Year to you as well.
vince garcia
Yes he does! You can't find one word where Jesus told anyone to keep the
sabbath. When a man asked what comamndments he HAD to keep, Jesus listed
everything BUT the sabbath!
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing
shall I do, that I may have eternal life?6
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good
but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the
commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou
shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear
false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my
youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou
hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and
come and follow me.
Now you can make the point that under the Law Jesus insisted every
minute commandment be kept (which is true), and that includes the
sabbath.
But with the FULFILLMENT of the law, one NEED NOT obey the sabbath
commands, just as one NEED NOT be circumcised, even though God DEMANDS
it in the Law for a gentile who will worship God and keep the passover:
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover
to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come
near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for
no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
, and even though it is called an everlasting covenant before the Law
was even given:
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must
needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an
everlasting covenant.
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not
circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken
my covenant.
, and even though God in Ezekiel says no gentile will ascend His holy
temple to worship Him unless he is spiritually AND physically
circucmcised:
Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger , uncircumcised in heart, nor
uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger
that is among the children of Israel
You really reject Christ in your jewish religious beliefs, Aaron. And to
hold onto them, not only must you reject Christ, you must reject Paul as
well for his direct contradictions to the commands of God in the OT on
circumcision!
Snow
> You really reject Christ in your jewish religious beliefs, Aaron. And to
> hold onto them, not only must you reject Christ, you must reject Paul as
> well for his direct contradictions to the commands of God in the OT on
> circumcision!
That is the best confession to date Vince. I was asked by another
person:
“If you would, could you give me a brief primer in what you are trying
to say? I was speaking with members who started the email thread with
you, and we've decided to look into what you are saying and we would
truly appreciate any jump start you could offer us and were not quite
sure where to begin.”
Restore the name of the Almighty and his Torah! Recognize its truth
that applies to you in your life and covenant with your maker. Using
any version that removes the name of the Almighty is like using a
blacked out version of scriptures. It also fails to recognize this one
teaching:
Mat 6:9 “This, then, is the way you should pray: ‘Our Father who is in
the heavens, let Your Name be set-apart,
The name of our Father in scriptures must be UNIQUE.
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of Yahweh your Elohim to naught,
for Yahweh does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to
naught.
Understand that the word, “G-d” is the name of Baal. Baal means
“Lord” in Hebrew! To understand this more examine:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua/web/removing-the-name-of-yhwh
Psa 19:7 The Torah of Yahweh is perfect, bringing back the being; The
witness of Yahweh is trustworthy, making wise the simple;
Now let’s keep in mind that Israel already has an “everlasting
covenant” with Yahweh via Mt. Sinai and the “Ten Commandments” that
were written on stone:
Deu 4:13 “And He made known to you His covenant which He commanded you
to do, the Ten Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
People can argue all day that the covenant was 613 laws but that is
just what they choose to believe, not what the scriptures say. They
choose to believe this because they are unable to recognize the 4
layers of Torah that were to govern Israel as I have attempted to
point out on many occasions.
Gen 26:5 because Aḇraham obeyed (1) My voice and guarded My Charge:
(2) My commands, (3) My laws, and (4) My Torot.
Many prophecies about the Messiah were made and Isaiah had a lot to
say. In the 42 chapter he speaks about establishing a covenant “to a
people”.
Isa 42:6 “I, Yahweh, have called You in righteousness, and I take hold
of Your hand and guard You, and give You for a covenant to a people,
for a light to the gentiles, 7 to open blind eyes, to bring out
prisoners from the prison, those who sit in darkness from the prison
house.
The prophet said that the Messiah was a “light to the gentiles” and to
“those who sit in darkness” on more than one occasion.
Isa 49:6 and He says, “Shall it be a small matter for You to be My
Servant to
(1) raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to
(2) bring back the preserved ones of Isra’ĕl?
(3) And I shall give You as a light to the gentiles,
(4) to be -My deliverance- to the ends of the earth!”
In this one verse, we read 4 different missions of the Messiah, the
Servant of Yahweh. This teaching is confirmed in the Good News:
Luk 2:32 a light for the unveiling of the gentiles, and the esteem of
Your people Yisra’ĕl.”
Matthew specifically says:
Mat 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the
prophet, saying,
Mat 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them
which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. (Isa
9:2)
Almost all of Isaiah is written about the “light of the gentiles”:
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the
brightness of thy rising.
So, all the people of that day and age knew that the Messiah was for
the gentiles.
Mar 2:17 When Yahushua heard it, he saith unto them, They that are
whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came
not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
First off, the idea that you are unable to be righteous, not true.
Yehoshua came for the SINNERS, which is to say those who transgress
the Torah of Yahweh that they might be called out of rebellion.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Many people do not understand that he spoke in parables all the time:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost
sheep of the house of Israel.
All were to become Israel and Judah and “cling to the house of Jacob”.
Isa 14:1 For YHWH will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose
Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be
joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
Have you become a stranger?
Deu 13:3 Do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
Deu 13:4 “Walk after Yahweh your Elohim and fear Him, and guard His
commands and obey His voice, and serve Him and cling to Him.
Recognize that any “Good News” that doesn’t speak according to the
Torah is testing you, even if it’s a “chosen vessel”.
Isa 8:20 To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak
according to this Word, it is because they have no daybreak.
Mat 9:10 And it came to be, as Yehoshua sat at the table in the house,
that see, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him
and His taught ones.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His taught ones,
“Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
Mat 9:12 And Yehoshua hearing this, said to them, “Those who are
strong have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone
called ‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to eat
with such a one.
Mat 9:13 “But go and learn what this means, ‘I desire compassion and
not offering.’ For I did not come to call the righteous to repentance,
but sinners.”
Most of the Christians I know, speak of faith without works. They do
this because they do not understand the nature of sin. They have
subscribed to a lie that says that sin and death are a law. Yehoshua
Messiah spoke clearly about the errors of the Christian church but
because they have no desire to truly follow the Messiah, the Christian
church is a church of pure Pharisees doctrine. They follow a Pharisee
in Paul who never actually understood the Torah because he had no
desire to. Paul wanted to destroy the Church of Yahweh by his own
admission.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which (I destroyed), I make
myself a transgressor.
We must first ask our self, “What have we destroyed by listening to
Paul?”
Pro 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and
reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Rev 18:23 “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at
all. And the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you
any more at all. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth,
for by your drug sorcery all the nations were led astray.
If you follow Paul, are you following the Messiah or just a “chosen
vessel”?
Isa 10:6 “Against a defiled nation I send him, and against the people
of My wrath I command him to seize the spoil, to take the prey, and to
tread them down like the mud of the streets.
Isa 10:7 “But he does not intend so, nor does his heart think so, for
it is in his heart to destroy, and cut off not a few nations.
Isa 10:8 “For he says, ‘Are not my princes sovereigns?
Isa 10:9 ‘Is not Kalno like Karkemish? Is not Ḥamath like Arpaḏ? Is
not Shomeron like Damascus?
Isa 10:10 ‘As my hand has found the reigns of the idols, whose carved
images excelled those of Yerushalayim and Shomeron,
Isa 10:11 as I have done to Shomeron and her idols, do I not do also
to Yerushalayim and her idols?’
Isa 10:12 “And it shall be, when Yahweh has performed all His work on
Mount Tsiyon and on Yerushalayim, that I shall punish the fruit of the
greatness of the heart of the sovereign of Ashshur, and the boasting
of his haughty looks.
Isa 10:13 “For he has said, ‘By the power of my hand I have done it,
and by my wisdom, for I have been clever. And I remove the boundaries
of the people, and have robbed their treasuries. And I put down the
inhabitants like a strong one.
Isa 10:14 ‘And my hand finds the riches of the people like a nest. And
I have gathered all the earth like forsaken eggs are gathered. And
there was no one who moved his wing, nor opened his mouth with even a
peep.’ ”
Isa 10:15 Would the axe boast itself over him who chops with it, or
the saw exalt itself over him who saws with it? As a rod waving those
who lift it up! As a staff lifting up that which is not wood!
Shalom,
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it is really cooperating with it.
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duke
>>Of course, the biggest problem I have is that snow only accepts that which came
>>first (OT), and then reads the new (NT) only in terms of the first.
>Since they both agree, there should be no problem with this. Since
>the whole Bible is true, no one part can contradict any other part.
Every part of the bible is true, but not necessarily literal truth.
>>The first prefigures the second, the second fulfills the first. Nobody met God
>>in the first. Man met God become man in the second.
>Adam met God.
>Abraham met God.
Gen 1-11 is not a scientific accounting of God's creation of the universe and
all in it including mankind, but instead Israel's faith statement of same.
>Moses met God.
Moses met a burning bush.
>All of the Jews at mount Sinai heard God speak directly.
>All of the Jews saw God's physical presence for 40 years in the
>wilderness.
Jesus is the incarnate son of God, meaning that he was revealed as "only" human
at the time.
>More importantly, Messiah makes blanket statements regarding the OT
>even commanding His followers to obey all 613 Commandments, all of
>which are in the first five books of the OT.
The 639 Levi laws were man-made. Jesus said that the 10 commandments remain in
place.
>>> (Maybe I am
>>>reading into Snow's post.) God told us to worship Elohim (all of
>>>God). Messiah taught us to pray: "Our Father..." We were never given
>>>permission to worship a part of God instead of all of God.
The Father is fully God. Jesus as resurrected is fully God. The Holy Spirit is
fully God. They are one.
duke
wrote:
>Ed Form wrote:
>Good post, ed.
One correction re the sabbath. God worked for 6 days and then rested. He calls
us to the same.
duke
>On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:32:02 GMT, "Ed Form"
><ed....@theformsonline.com> wrote:
>
>>On 16/12/2009 22:08:49, Aaron wrote:
>>
>>> Adam met God.
>>
>>No he didn't. He met angels.
>>
>>> Abraham met God.
>>
>>No he didn't. He met angels acting on God's behalf, one of whom was called
>>Yahweh.
>
>YHVH, which you have incorrectly transliterated is the Name of God.
The "real" translators know that God is the right word.
Snow
> >>> Adam met God.
>
> >>No he didn't. He met angels.
>
> >>> Abraham met God.
>
> >>No he didn't. He met angels acting on God's behalf, one of whom was called
> >>Yahweh.
>
> >YHVH, which you have incorrectly transliterated is the Name of God.
>
> The "real" translators know that God is the right word.
Trinity Christians fabricate a deity out of a man because reality is
that they hate YAHWEH and are in open rebellion against his Torah.
YAHWEH creates ALL things according to scriptures, including Satan,
who answers to him.
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
west, that there is none beside me. I am YAHWEH, and there is none
else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
create evil: I YAHWEH do all these things.
In considering the mistranslation of the word God (meaning single
deity) VS the Hebrew word Elohim (Mighty), Trinity Christians refuse
to simply use correct understanding because they cling to a faulty
dogma. Showing evidence that Yehoshua is not YHWH [except a man with
the spirit] is fairly simple for any person with the ability to use
reason. We can’t all be GOD and Hebrew doesn’t make distinctions
between upper and lower case letters.
Joh 10:34 Yahushua answered them, Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are Theos?
Theos being the Greek word translated “God”.
We know that this is a quote of Psalm 82:6 and we know the Hebrew word
was Elohim and so it naturally follows that what is “written” is based
in the Hebrew scriptures for understanding.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of
the most High.
Yehoshua is ELOHIM, just like Moses or any other mighty one but that
does not make him the Almighty.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to Yahweh of
hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to Yahweh because of
the oppressors, He sends them a Savior and an Elohim, and shall
deliver them.
Moses was an Elohim to Israel and Aaron was his prophet.
Exo 4:16 “And he shall speak for you to the people. And it shall be
that he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be an elohim for him.
Exo 7:1 And YAHWEH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee elohim to
Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Abraham was an Elohim and Adonai which in KJV would be translated LORD
GOD.
Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him, 6
“Hear us, my master [adonai also translated LORD in KJV]: You are a
Elohim [translated mighty in kjv but also GOD] prince among us. Bury
your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us withholds
from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
Here Abraham is also called adonai and Elohim, Lord and God in KJV
translation, the same is used for “Jesus” in the equivalent Greek text
“Kurious and Theos”. Clearly Theos has been mistranslated to God
instead of Elohim. I don’t see any Christians running around trying
to prove we should worship Abraham and Moses and even Yehoshua said:
Mat 4:10 Then saith Yahushua unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it
is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy Elohim, and him only shalt
thou serve.
Again he says, “it is written” so we know it’s based on the Hebrew
text that reads:
Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear YAHWEH thy Elohim, and serve him, and shalt
swear by his name.
Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go after other elohim, of the elohim of the
people which are round about you;
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heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye. If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood
and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long
for the endless immensity of the sea.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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