Todd H.Douchebag: What's Wrong With His Brain? Is He a Psychopath Or Just a Busybody? You Tell Me.
douchebag@cesspool
posting to the alt.guitar.bass cesspool permanently. For whatever reason,
Todd H. Douchebag felt that that agreement was unacceptable, and took
immediate action to sabotage it. Specifically, Todd H.Douchebag copied the
defamatory diatribe that Jim Carr had removed and re-posted it on his
website. Jim Carr wasn't at all happy about that and, because of copyright
issues, was able to force Todd H. Douchebag to remove the clone from his
website. Unfortunately, Todd H. Douchebag wasn't smart enough to follow Jim
Carr's lead and leave well enough alone. Instead, Todd H Douchebag created
his own defamatory web page. As a result, I'm back with more of the same
until such time as Todd H. Douchebag comes to his senses and is prepared to
follow Jim Carr's sensible lead.
P.S. Because of the unmanticipated interference by Todd H.Douchebag, the
original agreement between myself and Jim Carr has been re-negotiated.
Specifically, I won't hassle him any more, but I will continue to post to
the alt.guitar.bass cesspool ultil such time as Todd H. Douchebag comes to
his senses and agrees to remove his defamatory web page.
RichL
> P.S. Because of the unmanticipated interference by Todd H.Douchebag,
> the original agreement between myself and Jim Carr has been
> re-negotiated. Specifically, I won't hassle him any more, but I will
> continue to post to the alt.guitar.bass cesspool ultil such time as
> Todd H. Douchebag comes to his senses and agrees to remove his
> defamatory web page.
In other words, you reneged on the agreement. "Renegotiation" implies
explicit consent by both parties. I've seen no evidence of that.
T McCoskery
<douchebag@cesspool> wrote in message
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Jim Carr
This stuff is so immature...
I'm trying to stay out of it, but let me say this in attempt to try to
keep this bullshit under control. Via an e-mail exchange among Todd,
Gary and myself, I told Todd that posting without permission something
*I* wrote and later took down by personal choice was uncool. I asked him
nicely to take down what I wrote. He did, but then he wrote and posted
his own version.
As far as Gary and I "renegotiating" let's not get all legal-like. The
deal I gladly accepted was that I would take down the Gary Page and he
would stop hassling the group. This was negotiated in public so everyone
could see.
For whatever reason Todd posted the *exact* same page. The way I see it
that broke the *spirit* of the agreement. To me it would not be much
different than Gary getting his cousin to troll the newsgroup in his
place. I also believe that if I started posting the equivalent of the
Gary Page in the newsgroup, *I* would have violated the spirit of the
agreement.
Technically speaking I did not act on behalf of the newsgroup, so Todd
can do whatever the hell he wants. Personally I think he should have
left well enough alone.
I told them both I want nothing more to do with it. I specifically told
Gary that as far as *I* was concerned I held up my end of the agreement,
so don't go riding my ass. He also knows my feelings about the spirit of
the agreement being broken. So in that sense we "renegotiated" the
agreement.
It's rather simple. Continue the pissing match for another few years or
everybody give up something they want to gain something they want. Of
course, if you don't want Gary to leave, keep on keeping on.
And that's all I got to say about that.
--
Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
- Anonymous
RichL
Thanks for clarifying, Jim. I admit I was unaware of much of what
you've posted.
Todd H.
W Gary Sokolich of Newport Beach, CA today posting with the
> The agreement between myself and Jim Carr was intended to put an end to my
> posting to the alt.guitar.bass cesspool permanently. For whatever reason,
> Todd H. Douchebag felt that that agreement was unacceptable, and took
> immediate action to sabotage it.
Now Gary, I know this is the story you'd like to tell, but the facts
don't bear out I'm afraid. I notice you often drink in the evening.
What is it that you do in the evenings that makes you so beligerent
and irrational?
The thing is you made an agreement vowing to go away on a single
condition, and you broke that agreement:
"If you [Jim Carr] restore the original content of the Porky Page, I
will go away, and I will stay away as long as you continue to
maintain it in its original form, as per the Google link that I
previously provided. That's the deal And, unlike Mike Rieves, I keep
my agreements."
Jan 19, 8:52pm, Jim complied.
Jan 28, you violated that agreement in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/browse_thread/thread/4d540c095ee567e2
And repeatedly since. And this will continue I'm sure, with or
without me.
> Specifically, Todd H.Douchebag copied the defamatory diatribe that
> Jim Carr had removed and re-posted it on his website. Jim Carr
> wasn't at all happy about that and, because of copyright issues, was
> able to force Todd H. Douchebag to remove the clone from his
> website.
Sorry Gary, not quite accurate. I grabbed a copy of Jim's page and
had it on my site for about 7 days until you a) found it in your daily
google search you do of yourself, and b) posted accusing him of having
something to do with it. I voluntarily removed it myself February
11th and send an apology to Jim for using it without his permission.
I removed it because it was going to cause Jim trouble.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/browse_thread/thread/cd960e4ff69fc968
Feb 11 was a full week before that Feb 18th mail he sent to the two of
us asking me to remove it. So no, Jim didn't have to ask me to
remove it--it was down a week before. I just didn't send you a note
about it. :-)
> Unfortunately, Todd H. Douchebag wasn't smart enough to follow Jim
> Carr's lead and leave well enough alone. Instead, Todd H Douchebag
> created his own defamatory web page. As a result, I'm back with more
> of the same until such time as Todd H. Douchebag comes to his senses
> and is prepared to follow Jim Carr's sensible lead.
Gary, you're a usenet terrorist, plain and simple. You're blaming the
victims here.
I maintained the history Jim started because it was so exceedingly
clear you weren't really prepared to honor the stated agreement. You
hung around like a kid with his ear to the heating vent trying to see
if anyone was talking about you, even paranoid enough to think someone
was saying you were a troll from AUK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/2f7555be285af611
If we were to strike a "deal" over trying to cover up an accurate
history of what you've done, you'd just pick up on someone else and
the cycle would continue. YOu seem to have a long history in usenet
with this.
> P.S. Because of the unmanticipated interference by Todd H.Douchebag,
> the original agreement between myself and Jim Carr has been
> re-negotiated. Specifically, I won't hassle him any more, but I
> will continue to post to the alt.guitar.bass cesspool ultil such
> time as Todd H. Douchebag comes to his senses and agrees to remove
> his defamatory web page.
I think our legal counsel here will affirm that it's not defamatory if
it documents things that actually happened. And because you post with
an address you don't own, the google archive will have a long memory
of your postings here that reinforce everything that's on your fan
page.
The best way to make that page (or any others that people might be
inspired to write) go away is to become a better man and improve your
behavior, not by threatening to be even more of an asshole.
So here's the deal I considered making with you: you refrain from
abusing anyone in this newsgroup for one year from this date, and I'll
cheerfully change the page. It's your abuse and antisocial behavior
that's the problem here, not my documenting of it.
But I know from having observed your behavior that that's like asking
an alcoholic to not crave alcohol. I don't this this is an attainable
goal for ya. You're far too broken for that to work.
But, I tell ya what, Gary, I'll go one better and lower the bar.
I'll remove mention of you from
http://www.toddh.net/music/offended.html and anywhere else on my site
if you will agree to:
o actually, really and entirely go away from alt.guitar.bass
o If you follow me anywhere to any other forums and post
abusively, it goes back.
o Furthermore if you continue to lurk and then pop up to
retaliate against anyone else in this newsgroup with your
seagull like posting behavior, even if they dare mention this
cluster f*ck circus sideshow you've treated us all to, it goes
back. And I'll even search engine optimize the sonuvabitch so
that a Google of Gary Sokolich puts it in the top friggin 10.
Hell, I might even syndicate the damned thing and make your
name synonymous with "kooktacular."
If you are honestly and really interested in really going away and
taking all your drama with you, poof, page will be gone, no problem.
Reply here and agree to these terms, and it'll be done. Abide by
them, and you can put this all behind you.
Best Regards,
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> And that's all I got to say about that.
I never knew he was here at all, until this most recent OCD fit.
"Jim Carr" <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
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Jose de las Heras
true...
tempting sometimes, but it wears thin quickly.
I'm surprised by all this talk of agreements etc. He's going to do whatever
he chooses. It's not like he's a voice of reason!
The guy doesn't bother me, personally. I can press delete faster than he can
type. I don't even update my filters anymore.
> It's rather simple. Continue the pissing match for another few years or
> everybody give up something they want to gain something they want. Of
> course, if you don't want Gary to leave, keep on keeping on.
>
> And that's all I got to say about that.
exactly.
Ignore the man. He can post till the cows come home... I only read him when
*I* choose to, not when he posts.
I regret ever replying to anything related to that sad delusional soul. It's
not cool to pick on someone mentally ill, just for kicks.
Jose
Ga...@cesspool.com
@newsfe10.phx:
Jim Carr's account is 100% accurate.
Jim Carr's account is also 100% in agreeemnt with the account that is
stated in the originating post entitled: "Todd H.Douchebag: What's Wrong
With His Brain? Is He a Psychopath Or Just a Busybody? You Tell Me."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/6e19e0683a88b744?
dmode=source
truth...@cesspool.com
news:628nsqF...@mid.individual.net:
While such ad-hominem remarks will most certainly elicit a cheer from most
if not all of the like-minded inhabitants of the alt.guitar.bass cesspool,
they do not constitue an argument. In fact, they prove that you have no
substantive argumet to put forth.
BTW, where did you get you MD in Psychiatry? More likely, you were one of
the inmates in the asylum.
douchebag@cesspool
Screw you Mr.Todd H. Douchebag. I don't cave in to threats, especially to
threats that are made by lying, delusional sociopathic scumbags like you.
Accordingly, Mr. Dourchebag, carry out your threats and see where it gets
you.
In the unlikely event that you are open to a dose of reality, you may want
to review the following:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/48aa815abc7f21bf?
dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/6e19e0683a88b744?
dmode=source
Todd H.
So you don't want the page down? Color me confused. Suit
yourself.
Offer stands. You go away for real, and stay away, page gone. Until
then, I'll just watch the spiders comes in, and the Google page rank
on the page increase.
If you want to see it disappear, you simply have to agree to
disappear, (with the requisite stipulations on what happens if/when
you reappear). If you really kept your agreements as you say you do,
that what-if scenario wouldn't be an issue for ya right?
douchebag@cespool
> W Gary Sokolich of Newport Beach, CA again posting appropriatley as
> douchebag@cesspool. writes:
>> bmi...@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote in
>> news:848x1...@news.giganews.com:
>>>
>>> W Gary Sokolich of Newport Beach, CA today posting with the
>>> appropriate email address of douchebag@cesspool writes:
>>>> The agreement between myself and Jim Carr was intended to put an
>>>> end to my posting to the alt.guitar.bass cesspool permanently. For
>>>> whatever reason, Todd H. Douchebag felt that that agreement was
>>>> unacceptable, and took immediate action to sabotage it.
>>>
>>> Now Gary, I know this is the story you'd like to tell, but the facts
>>> don't bear out I'm afraid. I notice you often drink in the evening.
>>> What is it that you do in the evenings that makes you so beligerent
>>> and irrational?
>>>
>>> The thing is you made an agreement vowing to go away on a single
>>> condition, and you broke that agreement:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/browse_thread/threa
>>> d/ 78296d6febdfec06/7dc45e5b0c8c76df?#7dc45e5b0c8c76df
>>>
>>> "If you [Jim Carr] restore the original content of the Porky Page,
>>> I will go away, and I will stay away as long as you continue to
>>> maintain it in its original form, as per the Google link that I
>>> previously provided. That's the deal And, unlike Mike Rieves, I
>>> keep my agreements."
>>>
>>> Jan 19, 8:52pm, Jim complied.
>>>
>>> Jan 28, you violated that agreement in this thread:
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/browse_thread/thread
>>> /4 d540c095ee567e2
>>>
>>> And repeatedly since. And this will continue I'm sure, with or
>>> without me.
>>>
>>>> Specifically, Todd H.Douchebag copied the defamatory diatribe that
>>>> Jim Carr had removed and re-posted it on his website. Jim Carr
>>>> wasn't at all happy about that and, because of copyright issues,
>>>> was able to force Todd H. Douchebag to remove the clone from his
>>>> website.
>>>
>>> Sorry Gary, not quite accurate. I grabbed a copy of Jim's page and
>>> had it on my site for about 7 days until you a) found it in your
>>> daily google search you do of yourself, and b) posted accusing him
>>> of having something to do with it. I voluntarily removed it myself
>>> February 11th and send an apology to Jim for using it without his
>>> permission. I removed it because it was going to cause Jim trouble.
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/browse_thread/th
>>> re ad/cd960e4ff69fc968
>>>
>>> Feb 11 was a full week before that Feb 18th mail he sent to the two
>>> of us asking me to remove it. So no, Jim didn't have to ask me to
>>> remove it--it was down a week before. I just didn't send you a note
>>> about it. :-)
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Todd H. Douchebag wasn't smart enough to follow Jim
>>>> Carr's lead and leave well enough alone. Instead, Todd H Douchebag
>>>> created his own defamatory web page. As a result, I'm back with
>>>> more of the same until such time as Todd H. Douchebag comes to his
>>>> senses and is prepared to follow Jim Carr's sensible lead.
>>>
>>> Gary, you're a usenet terrorist, plain and simple. You're blaming
>>> the victims here.
>>>
>>> I maintained the history Jim started because it was so exceedingly
>>> clear you weren't really prepared to honor the stated agreement.
>>> You hung around like a kid with his ear to the heating vent trying
>>> to see if anyone was talking about you, even paranoid enough to
>>> think someone was saying you were a troll from AUK:
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/2f7555be285a
>>> f6 11
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/48aa815abc7f21bf?dm
>> ode=source
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.bass/msg/6e19e0683a88b744?dm
>> ode=source
>
> So you don't want the page down? Color me confused. Suit
> yourself.
I am sorry that you are confused, but given that we have already
established that you are not graduate school material, your confusion is
certainly not surprising. In case you missed it, I never said that I
didn't want your defamatory web page taken down. I said that I am not going
to cave in to your terrorist threats in order to achive that objective.
> Offer stands. You go away for real, and stay away, page gone. Until
> then, I'll just watch the spiders comes in, and the Google page rank
> on the page increase.
Threaten me all you wish, Mr.Todd H. Douchebag. I will not be swayed by
your threats. Just realize that you will ultimately pay the cosequences.
> If you want to see it disappear, you simply have to agree to
> disappear, (with the requisite stipulations on what happens if/when
> you reappear).
You either have shit for brains, think you are above the law or are
unfamiliar with the concept of extortion.
> If you really kept your agreements as you say you do,
> that what-if scenario wouldn't be an issue for ya right?
You are obviously delusional and in denial of reality. For a reality
check, I once again refer you to the following posts:
Todd H is one mentally-ill fuck
news:84abl...@news.giganews.com:
>
> So you don't want the page down? Color me confused. Suit
> yourself.
>
> Offer stands. You go away for real, and stay away, page gone. Until
> then, I'll just watch the spiders comes in, and the Google page rank
> on the page increase.
>
> If you want to see it disappear, you simply have to agree to
> disappear, (with the requisite stipulations on what happens if/when
> you reappear).
That's got to represent internet terrorism and attempted internet
extortion at its best. Good luck in court, Mr. Todd H. Douchebag.
>If you really kept your agreements as you say you do,
>that what-if scenario wouldn't be an issue for ya right?
Stop lying and stop denying reality, Mr. Todd H. Douchebag. Your lies and
your misrepresentation of the agreement between myself and Jim Carr have
been totally discredited. Both Jim Carr and I have publicly stated the
exact same thing, which is the complete opposite of your false assertions
regarding the matter. The truth of the matter is that the agreement
between muyself and Jim Carr was on track until you came along and stuck
your little dick into the situation in an intnetional attempt to sabotage
that agreement by downloading from the archives and re-posting on your
website a clone of the very web page that Jim Carr ageed to take down.
Because of copyright issues, Jim Carr was able to force you to take your
clone of his deleted web page down. But that didn't stop you, did it? You
created your own web page of defamatory lies, and you are now engaged in
making terrorist threats and engaging in attempted extortion in a public
forum. You are obviously one mentally-ill fuck. But, I seriously doubt
that the moral consciences of any residents of the alt.guitar.bass cesspool
will be shocked by your reprehensible, immoral behavior.
Todd H.
<truthteller@cesspool.> writes:
> bmi...@toddh.net (Todd H.Douchebag) wrote in
> news:84abl...@news.giganews.com:
>>
>> So you don't want the page down? Color me confused. Suit
>> yourself.
>>
>> Offer stands. You go away for real, and stay away, page gone. Until
>> then, I'll just watch the spiders comes in, and the Google page rank
>> on the page increase.
>>
>> If you want to see it disappear, you simply have to agree to
>> disappear, (with the requisite stipulations on what happens if/when
>> you reappear).
>
> That's got to represent internet terrorism and attempted internet
> extortion at its best. Good luck in court, Mr. Todd H. Douchebag.
Hi Gary,
Extortion? I believe to have extortion Gary, money or property has to
be involved, and a threat of violence or force.
How you get to that from "I'll remove my documentation of your
behaving like a jaggoff if you'd simply go away" I'm not exactly sure.
I wonder if it involves fermented beverages.
>>If you really kept your agreements as you say you do, that what-if
>>scenario wouldn't be an issue for ya right?
>
> Stop lying and stop denying reality, Mr. Todd H. Douchebag. Your lies and
> your misrepresentation of the agreement between myself and Jim Carr have
> been totally discredited. Both Jim Carr and I have publicly stated the
> exact same thing, which is the complete opposite of your false assertions
> regarding the matter.
Now, again, I'm going to ask: what false assertions? Show me the
false assertions. Quote my assertion, declare it as false, and
correct me on it. I'll be happy to correct any false assertion that's
actually false. I'm a reasonable guy.
And I'll be happy to stop lying. It'll be rather simple as I never
started.
> The truth of the matter is that the agreement between muyself and
> Jim Carr was on track until you came along and stuck your little
> dick into the situation in an intnetional attempt to sabotage that
> agreement by downloading from the archives and re-posting on your
> website a clone of the very web page that Jim Carr ageed to take
> down. Because of copyright issues, Jim Carr was able to force you
> to take your clone of his deleted web page down.
Gary, I'm afraid that's not exactly how it went, but it's not
important enough to argue further. I took the archive.org content
down before Jim had to lift a finger. Have you sent similar
nastygrams to archive.org for continuing to host the archive of the
page?
> But that didn't stop you, did it? You created your own web page of
> defamatory lies, and you are now engaged in making terrorist threats
> and engaging in attempted extortion in a public forum. You are
> obviously one mentally-ill fuck. But, I seriously doubt that the
> moral consciences of any residents of the alt.guitar.bass cesspool
> will be shocked by your reprehensible, immoral behavior.
Gary, you have missed your calling. Look into getting a gig on VH1's
Surreal Life. You'd be a hit I think.
No defamation. No lies. No extortion. No terrorist threats. No
mental illness (on my part, anyway).
I'm offering you a way out of this. I can remove my documentation of
your abusive behavior, and you just need to stop posting here, and
stop attacking people (including me) on usenet.
Are you reasonable enough to do that? Are you willing to do it?
Are you still awake this evening?
Best Regards,