Who Is "Fascist"?
0baMa0 Tse Dung
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
Those who value substance over words, however, will find in this book
a wealth of challenging insights, backed up by thorough research and
brilliant analysis.
This is the sort of book that challenges the fundamental assumptions
of its time -- and which, for that reason, is likely to be shunned
rather than criticized.
Because the word "fascist" is often thrown around loosely these days,
as a general term of abuse, it is good that "Liberal Fascism" begins
by discussing the real Fascism, introduced into Italy after the First
World War by Benito Mussolini.
The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and
especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their
agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit-
making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular"
schools.
Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership
of the means of production. They just wanted the government to call
the shots as to how businesses would be run.
They were for "industrial policy," long before liberals coined that
phrase in the United States.
Indeed, the whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable
resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.
Moreover, during the 1920s "progressives" in the United States and
Britain recognized the kinship of their ideas with those of Mussolini,
who was widely lionized by the left.
Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H.G. Wells
called for "Liberal Fascism," saying "the world is sick of
parliamentary politics."
Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also
expressed his admiration for Mussolini -- as well as for Hitler and
Stalin, because they "did things," instead of just talk. In Germany,
the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism
in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither of which was part
of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.
Even the Nazi variant of Fascism found favor on the left when it was
only a movement seeking power in the 1920s.
W.E.B. DuBois was so taken with the Nazi movement that he put
swastikas on the cover of a magazine he edited, despite complaints
from Jewish readers.
Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933,
DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was "absolutely necessary
in order to get the state in order."
As late as 1937 he said in a speech in Harlem that "there is today, in
some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years
past."
In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
ideas, agendas and assumptions.
Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
themselves from these international pariahs.
Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left, has
since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
conservatism.
If by conservatism you mean belief in free markets, limited
government, and traditional morality, including religious influences,
then these are all things that the Fascists opposed just as much as
the left does today.
The left may say that they are not racists or anti-semites, like
Hitler, but neither was Mussolini or Franco. Hitler, incidentally, got
some of his racist ideology from the writings of American
"progressives" in the eugenics movement.
Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189/
is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
rather than repeat rhetoric.
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/02/14/who_is_fascist
http://www.tsowell.com/
hal
<0bama0....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
>Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
>to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
Barry
> this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
> terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
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~ RHF
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
>
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
"Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/44230a0062947061
.
"Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
Liberal-Fascism is a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6a0dba38cddc6d10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3022071beb242aa3
.
Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
Political Dominance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9892c941fefbbef0
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/10905e6ff0ab2fad
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist & Do They Exist ?
.
Seon Ferguson
protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" <0bama0....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:35ad4a79-c49f-4761...@w40g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 0baMa0 Tse Dung
said about:
Who Is "Fascist"?
> In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
> looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
> ideas, agendas and assumptions.
Is that so!?
But American industrialists like Henry Ford and
Prescott Bush (Dubya' grandpappy) stuck with the Nazis
much longer. In fact, Dubya' grandpappy almost
went to prison for events that culminated in
action under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
In fact, Bush's business dealings, which continued
until his company's assets were seized in 1942
under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led
more than 60 years later to a civil action for
damages being brought in Germany against the
Bush family by two former slave labourers at
Auschwitz.
American industrialists; The DuPont Family,
the Remmington Family, and JP Morgan tried to
assasinate FDR and put a Hitler style fascist
state in place. They hired General Smedley Butler
to lead the overthrow, but he turned them in.
These industrialists aided the Nazis in various
ways until 1951, with Nazi multimillionaire Fritz
Thyssen as their partner and cohort. Bush
recieved $1.5 million from the proceeds of
Thyssen's death in that year, which was the
start of the Bush family fortune.
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s1odqQTKyU&NR=1
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6fxyOtVeI
> Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
> brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
> themselves from these international pariahs.
Nope.
"The Night of the Long Knives (German:
De-Nacht_der_langen_Messer.ogg Nacht der langen Messer
(help�info)) or "Operation Hummingbird", was a purge that took
place in Nazi Germany between June 30 and July 2, 1934, when the
Nazi regime carried out a series of political executions."
That was when Hitler killed off (among others) all
vestiges and connections he had with the socialists
and the leftists in his party, and to conciliate leaders
of the Reichswehr, the official German military. From then
on, the Nazis were a pure Republican...I mean
Right Wing Party.
"During the 1920s and 1930s, the SA functioned as a private
militia that Hitler used to intimidate rivals and disrupt the
meetings of competing political parties, especially those of the
Social Democrats and the Communists. Also known as the
"brownshirts" or "stormtroopers", the SA became notorious for
their street battles with the Communists.[8] "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
"The month of September 1930 marked a turning point in the road
that was leading the Germans inexorably toward the Third Reich.
The nazi party promised to lead the German people away from
communism, socialism, trade-unionism, and the futility's of
democracy."
-- The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich p.199
> Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left,
From "World Book Encyclopedia", 1958, p. 5467:
The name National Socialist German Workers Party does not
correctly describe the Nazi movement. It was neither
socialist nor organized for the benefit of workers. The
name was apparently developed in an effort to win the
support of the working classes....
Nazism was only a part of of the broad social movement
known as Fascism which gained millions of supporters in
many countries during the 1930's....
The industrialists gave financial support to the party
because they thought the Nazis would protect them from
from socialism and communism, and from the increasing
strength of the labor unions.
End Quotes.
> has
> since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
> representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
> conservatism.
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
"The democracy of the western countries is the predecessor of
Marxism, which would be unthinkable without democracy." ---
Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
"A violently active, dominating, intrepid, brutal youth -- that
is what I am after.... I want to see in its eyes the gleam of
pride and independence, of prey. I will have no intellectual
training. Knowledge is ruin to my young men." --- Adolf Hitler
"-- unless they have too much education...
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
You Republickins are too eger to swallow.
Doug Bashford
hal said about:
Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
> <0bama0....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
> >Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
> >to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
> this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
> terms.
And millions of American eager to swallow.
> Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
Yup.
Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
cultivation of ignorance?
Karl Rove answers:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
Italy
" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
people tolerate the growth of private power to the
point where it becomes stronger than the
democratic state itself. That in its essence is
fascism - ownership of government by an
individual, by a group or any controlling private
power. "
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
threat to democracy by corporate power
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
Will
> Goldberg is probably the type who would call people anti American for
> protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.
>
But you're not sure.
~ RHF
The Liberty of a Government is not safe if the
Leaders and the Party Tolerate the Growth of
Democratic {People} Power to the point where
it becomes Stronger than the Government itself.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Saying of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
That in its essence is Obamaism© aka Liberal-Fascism
Ownership of Government by an Individual {President}, by
a Group {Political Party} or any Controlling Private Power
{Federal Reserve}. President Barack 'Hussein' Obama
on the threat to Presidential Czar Power by Democracy.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? -and- Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist"
Can "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
-and-
Do "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
.
~ RHF
> Goldberg is probably the type who would call people anti American for
> protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.
>
> > is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
> > and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
> > and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
> > rather than repeat rhetoric.
>
> >http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/02/14/who_is_fascist
> >http://www.tsowell.com/
>
> >http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? -and- Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist"
Can "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
-and-
Do "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
.
The Liberty of a Government is not safe if the
Leaders and the Party Tolerate the Growth of
Democratic {People} Power to the point where
it becomes Stronger than the Government itself.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Saying of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
That in its essence is Obamaism© -aka- Liberal-Fascism
Ownership of Government by an Individual {President}, by
a Group {One Political Party} or any Controlling Private
Power {Federal Reserve}.
-says- President Barack 'Hussein' Obama on the Threat
to Presidential {Czar} Power by Multi-Party Democracy
and Freely Voting People.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Above The Law
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is The Law {Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© As The President Decrees :
The Law Is Written {Czar} -aka- All Power To The Czar.
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The One Party Congress
Exists To Support The President {Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Commander
and Chief : The Military Exists To Support The President
{Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is The Power
of Change "Change Is Necessary and Good" : The Youth
Loved The President {Czar} and Change : The Youth Are
The Instruments of Change {Change The Youth : Change
The Culture -aka- Transformational Obamaism©}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Loved By
The People : Good Citizens Love The President {Czar} :
Bad Citizens Will Be Reeducated and Reformed To
Love The President {Czar} -aka- All Love To The Czar.
.
you can make book on it ~ RHF
.
dave
Didn't the Nazis imprison Thyssen?
Kevin Cunningham
> On Jun 17, 6:51 pm, hal wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
>
> > <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
> > >Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
> > >to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
>
> > this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
> > terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> > comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> > conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> > for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> > government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> > controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> > control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> > purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
>
> .
> Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> "Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
> .
> "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
> .
> Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
> and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
> .
> Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
> Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
> -aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist & Do They Exist ?
> .
There is no such thing as "liberal fascism". This is just another
attempt by the right wing to get out of their own problem. They
started fascism, they kept it going. The right wing was sympathetic
to fascist and Nazis before WWII. The right wing supported anti-
semites. And the right wing hasn't changed all that much.
Yeah, they have re-hung curtains, re-done the closets but the core of
freedom hating, fear causing is what ran the repug party in the past
and runs it today.
Doug Bashford
dave said about:
Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Friedrich "Fritz" Thyssen (November 9, 1873, M�lheim an der Ruhr
� February 8, 1951, Buenos Aires) was a German businessman born
into one of Germany's leading industrial families.
...In September 1, 1939 World War II broke out. Thyssen sent
Hermann G�ring a telegram saying he was opposed to the war,
shortly before leaving for Switzerland with his family. He was
expelled from the Nazi Party and the Reichstag, and his company
was briefly nationalised. It was returned to other members of the
Thyssen family some years after the war. In 1940 Thyssen took
refuge and moved to France, intending to emigrate to Argentina,
but was caught by the German occupation of France while he was
visiting his ill mother in Belgium. He was arrested by Vichy
France and taken back to Germany, where he was confined, first in
a sanatorium near Berlin, then from 1943 in Sachsenhausen
concentration camp. His wife Amelie instead of escaping to
Argentina joined her husband and spent the whole war in the
concentration camp with her husband. "She had spent the good
times with her husband and would also join him in the difficult
times.[citation needed]" In February, 1945 he was sent to Dachau
concentration camp. He was comparatively well-treated and
transferred to Tyrol in late April 1945 together with other
prominent inmates, where the SS left the prisoners behind. He was
liberated by the Fifth U.S. Army on May 5, 1945[5].
....Thyssen was nevertheless tried for being a supporter of the
Nazi Party. He did not deny that he had been a Nazi supporter
until 1938, and he accepted responsibility for his companies'
mistreatment of Jewish employees in the 1930s, although he denied
involvement in the employment of slave labour during the war.
Thyssen agreed to pay 500,000 Deutschmarks as compensation to
those who suffered as a result of his actions, and was acquitted
of other charges.
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Seon Ferguson
"Will" <wha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't have all the facts yet.
Seon Ferguson
"~ RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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You could also make a book on all the times a Bush worshiper called me an
American hater or communist for being against his policies. They are
politicians. They ARE NOT God's.
Get a life.
~ RHF
> "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
SE,
Didn't know that 'you' were worthy of a book.
I guess that 'you' must be a Legend in 'your'
own mind.
Clearly Prez Obama is worthy of his own
'Little Green Book' containing the sayings
Czar Obama.
The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5e25f862c62682f6
Hello Wake-Up Call Obama is now the President
and GWB is just so much history.
It's now 2009 and It's Blame Obama Time
-cause- Czar {Prez} Obama is the President.
insane political pay back is a b-i-t-c-h ~ RHF
.
Chas. Chan
> point where it becomes stronger than The
> People. That in its essence is
> Socialism - ownership of everything by Government. "
> President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
> threat to democracy by corporate power
>
> The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
> The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
high regard.
Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.
I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.
Read "The Road to Sefdom".
dave
>
> Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
> high regard.
> Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
> that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.
>
> I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
> The Governement run the private sector.
>
War is pure fascist socialism. The nationalists subsidize the defense
industry with no-bid contracts, while fomenting conflict abroad. A
revolving door is installed between the military and the defense
industry and retired generals become lobbyists, consultants, and BOD
directors.
But this kind of corporate welfare and inbreeding permeates our entire
social structure. Laws are written to ensure a growing need for prison
beds, now a largely for-profit enterprise. This is why pot will never
be legal; potheads meake great prisoners. They are non-violent and
good workers.
Our society is totally fucked-up. I do hope it collapses completely, so
we can have a fresh start. Too bad we just can't identify more with the
Nazis; their lesson is a good one.
Michael Coburn
You seem to have answered your own question: Mussolini was a fascist.
Your ridiculous unsupported claims that Roosevelt was a "socialist" and
that "he recognized that fascism was the only means to true Socialism"
are your own demented creations.
The reality is that socialism is a political manifestation in which the
government _OWNS_ the means of production. Fascism is ab-use of
government by the wealthy and powerful in league with the church to
maintain and enhance the power of the owner class. These two political
contrivances are entirely different.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Sun, 21 Jun, dave said about:
> Chas. Chan wrote:
>
> >
> > Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
> > high regard.
> > Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
> > that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.
> >
> > I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
> > The Governement run the private sector.
> >
>
> War is pure fascist socialism.
To bad you are so brainwashed, cuz you have some
interesting ideas. But you'll never find truth.
It's pure fascisism, nothing socialistic
about it. But that concept is taboo in America.
Judging from your lingo, you've
been brainwashed by the RW libertarians,
probably the LP Libertarians.
What a waste.
Wanna test that concept?
Most people would not, they shift into self
defense mode at the very idea, and close down.
In our specific context; Here's how they do it:
They have re-defined "socialism" in your
mind. Try a dictionary.
Here's 20 of them: www.onelook.com/
Caution: they are similar enough to your implanted
version, you will need extreme critical thinking.
more general info on that:
Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
> The nationalists subsidize the defense
> industry with no-bid contracts, while fomenting conflict abroad.
Yes. But it's more than the nationalists.
It's any politician under the defense industry's thumb.
defense industry = defense industry's loby.
...Looks like this:
"...merger of State and corporate power."
" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
--Benito Mussolini
> A
> revolving door is installed between the military and the defense
> industry and retired generals become lobbyists, consultants, and BOD
> directors.
Bingo. See above. - Mussolini
"corporate welfare" see above. - Mussolini
> But this kind of corporate welfare and inbreeding permeates our entire
> social structure.
Yup. see above. - Mussolini
See also:
Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower:
** "In the counsels of Government, we must guard
** against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
** whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial
** Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
** misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must
** never let the weight of this combination endanger our
** liberties or democratic processes."
** - President Dwight Eisenhower, January 1961.
"...merger of State and corporate power."
"...ownership of government by an individual,
by a group or any controlling private powers."
> Laws are written to ensure a growing need for prison
> beds, now a largely for-profit enterprise. This is why pot will never
> be legal; potheads meake great prisoners. They are non-violent and
> good workers.
Yup. The merger of State and corporate power.
> Our society is totally fucked-up. I do hope it collapses completely, so
> we can have a fresh start. Too bad we just can't identify more with the
> Nazis; their lesson is a good one.
Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
cultivation of ignorance?
Karl Rove answers:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
Italy
" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
people tolerate the growth of private power to the
point where it becomes stronger than the
democratic state itself. That in its essence is
fascism - ownership of government by an
individual, by a group or any controlling private
powers. "
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
threat to democracy by corporate power
Wisdom from 1938:
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
> That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private powers."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress,
proposing the "Standard Oil" Monopoly Investigation, 1938
* The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
* The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On 21 Jun 2009, Michael Coburn said
about:
Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:29:13 -0700, Chas. Chan wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 2:54 am, see.my....@theBeach.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
.................snip
> > I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
> > The Governement run the private sector.
Could be. But that's off topic.
That is a false, manufactured dichotomy.
...either a red herring or strawman,
I'm guessing from sloppy thinking due to
kneejerk grabbing at straws.
Can we stay on topic?
> >
> > Read "The Road to Sefdom".
>
> You seem to have answered your own question: Mussolini was a fascist.
>
> Your ridiculous unsupported claims that Roosevelt was a "socialist" and
> that "he recognized that fascism was the only means to true Socialism"
> are your own demented creations.
Yep. See my above comment. ...Off topic.
However, I'm not up on the latest LP Libertarian
"talking points." The LP completly robs Libertarians
from the freedom to communicate with outsiders by
redefining key vocabulary terms (such as socialism,
taxes, government...google: Libertarian "Orwellian Linguistics")
> The reality is that socialism is a political manifestation in which the
> government _OWNS_ the means of production. Fascism is ab-use of
> government by the wealthy and powerful in league with the church to
> maintain and enhance the power of the owner class. These two political
> contrivances are entirely different.
Bingo. To further clarify, socialism is against Capitalism,
but Capitalism is part of Fascism.
** And above all Fascism denies that class-war can
** be the preponderant force in the transformation of
** society....
** --Benito Mussolini, (Fascist dictator), from The
** Internet Modern History Sourcebook
[[[[
"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
"You don't need a totalitarian dictatorship like
Hitler's to get by with murder ... you can do it in a
democracy as long as the Congress and the people
Congress is supposed to represent don't give a
damn?"
William Shirer, author of
"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", 1973
Wisdom from 1938:
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
> That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any