Two Carcano's....
aeffects
Walt, could you post an essay or two concerning same, please?
Thanks
David
tomnln
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Warren Commission Apologist Dr. John Lattimer states in his book "Kennedy &
Lincoln" that his
Manlicher-Carcano has the EXACT SAME serial number as CE-139.
I you want, I can scan the page & post it on my website.
aeffects
> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
now THAT is interesting -- sure Tom! post the link into this thread,
please
tomnln
"You Asked For It"
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
Right on top of page.
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aeffects
> David;
>
> "You Asked For It"
>
> SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
>
> Right on top of page.
thanks Tom....
tomnln
> On Aug 19, 12:28 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>> David;
>>
>> "You Asked For It"
>>
>> SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
>>
>> Right on top of page.
>
> thanks Tom....
Just goes to show you what WCR Supporters will go to prove their Stupidity.
Walt
> On Aug 19, 12:28 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > David;
>
> > "You Asked For It"
>
> > SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
>
> > Right on top of page.
>
> thanks Tom....
>
>
>
> > "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:80b8c6a5-3e97-4642...@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Aug 19, 11:51 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >>news:273424b0-ad86-4229...@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > same serial numbers?
>
> > >> > Walt, could you post an essay or two concerning same, please?
>
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > David
>
> > >> Warren Commission Apologist Dr. John Lattimer states in his book "Kennedy
> > >> &
> > >> Lincoln" that his
> > >> Manlicher-Carcano has the EXACT SAME serial number as CE-139.
Lattimer said that he had a model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano EXACTLY
LIKE CE 139 right down to the same serial number. Latimer merely
displayed his dishonesty and deception by claiming that his rifle was
identical to CE 139. Some folks may believe his claim but no person
with any knowlege of fire arms would believe him. Any knowledgable
person would know immediately that Lattimer was either grossly
ignorant or a liar..... because even though two rifle may APPEAR to be
identical they are NOT identical. Just as two cars may appear to be
identical. One may be capable of reaching 150 MPH while the other
can't even reach 100MPH. One rifle may be capable of firing a half
inch group while the other may not be capable of firing a ten inch
group.
Furthermore If Lattimer had a MC with the same serial number as CE 139
he never revealed where he got that rifle. However it's a simply
matter to produce a rifle with a given serial number if you have
barrel blanks. The CIA had purchased tens of thousands of the
Italian weapons including tons of repair parts for those weapons. In
those repair parts would have been unmarked barrels, so it would have
been very easy for a person to change the barrel on a rifle and
install a new one with whatever serial number they wanted on it.
In another statement Lattimer revealed either his ignorance or inside
knowledge of the Murder when he wrote: Quote.... (CE 139) " was
demonstrated unequivocally by the warren Commission to have been used
to fire both of the bullets recovered from President Kennedy's car and
from his BODY at Parkland Hospital" ...unquote
Did Lattimer have inside knowledge that a bullet had been REMOVED FROM
JFK'S BODY at Parkland??? Or was he just an ignorant blowhard
misinformation agent for the US government.
>
> > >> I you want, I can scan the page & post it on my website.
>
> > > now THAT is interesting -- sure Tom! post the link into this thread,
> > > please- Hide quoted text -
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tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
That Ya Go! ! !
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David Von Pein
>>> "Warren Commission Apologist Dr. John Lattimer states in his book "Kennedy & Lincoln" that his Manlicher-Carcano [sic] has the EXACT SAME serial number as CE-139." <<<
This crap has been discussed before here, and has been reasonably
explained. But Tom The Kook, two years later, thinks that everybody's
forgotten......
==============================
>>> "John Lattimer OWNED the M-C Rifle with serial number 2766." <<<
Nowhere on that page does Lattimer claim he owned the SAME CE139
rifle. He mentions the serial number "C2766". But that is obviously an
error, however, because the WC determined there were NOT two MC rifles
with that same serial number. But the other comments made by Lattimer
on that same page indicate he's obviously NOT talking about the SAME
weapon as Oswald's MC (CE139).
Naturally, a kook overlooks all the other remarks (like "exactly as on
the rifle from the same lot, WC Exhibit 139...") that clearly indicate
Lattimer's rifle was NOT the exact same rifle as CE139.
Plus -- Only an outright idiot/kook could possibly think that Lattimer
ACTUALLY meant that he (Lattimer) owned the SAME rifle as CE139, which
resides in the National Archives.
But, then again, a CT-Kook will believe anything I guess. (As long as
it can lead to something that smells fishy.)
http://whokilledjfk.net/Lattim1.jpg
David Von Pein
August 18, 2006
Link to original post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0e5c9ed95c61e571
==============================
...Only a "total fool" could believe, after reading ALL of Dr.
Lattimer's book "Kennedy And Lincoln", that Lattimer was in possession
of Oswald's exact Carcano rifle.
There are several references in the book that indicate Lattimer was
utilizing the same MODEL of Carcano (91-38), but not the exact same
gun.
The "C2766" reference in Lattimer's book is quite obviously an
innocent error, because there were not two rifles in existence with
that exact same serial number (as the WC said in its report, which,
naturally, is info that a kook named Tom will totally disregard out of
hand).
Lattimer, in fact, acquired FOUR different Carcano rifles for his
experiments in the 1960s and 1970s....and ended up using one of those
rifles more often than the rest of them. (I'm not entirely clear on
how many times, if any, he utilized the other three Carcanos he
obtained during his vast number of tests and re-creations he
conducted. But it's quite obvious from the totality of text in his
book that Lattimer was not using Oswald's rifle at any time.)
David Von Pein
November 18, 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5da0e7ed7eea80d2
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>>> "Lattimer destroys himself with the bullshit in his book." <<<
I love the CT-Kook (aka Tom-Kook) mindset re. Dr. Lattimer....
It would seem that the mere fact that Lattimer misspoke re. using
"C2766", Oswald's exact rifle (CE139), completely negates EVERY SINGLE
THING that Lattimer did re. his JFK experiments in a certain kook's
mind.
Just because JKL misspoke re. "C2766", NOTHING he ever does again is
to ever be trusted or believed by a nut named "Sack"! Amazing short-
sidedness.
And Lattimer's mention of C2766 was obviously an innocent error. Why?
Because he proves it was merely an innocent error in the very same
book ("Kennedy And Lincoln"). This is proven by way of several other
mentions of the rifle he used in his tests NOT being the same rifle as
CE139! That's brought out multiple times in that same publication. I
guess Tom-Sack doesn't realize that, huh?
Or The Sack just ignores those additional rifle references because JKL
said, ONE time, that he used "C2766", which, btw, was during a passage
re. the rifle's other detailed "specs" too -- e.g., "MC; Model 91-38;
Italian; 6.5mm; bolt-action; etc.". Lattimer obviously put in the
specs for LHO's weapon without realizing the exact serial number was
being mentioned too.
But it's obvious from other mentions that Lattimer did not mean he was
shooting with Oswald's exact gun, CE139.
But, let's just assume for the sake of kooky argument that Lattimer
WAS using CE139, LHO's C2766 rifle. What real difference would THAT
fact have made ANYWAY?!
Would using Oswald's exact weapon have suddenly CHANGED any of the WC-
favoring experiments that Dr. Lattimer performed with said weapon (or
any other similar MC weapon)?
So, as can be seen, Tom-Kook is arguing just for the sake of arguing
(about nothing, really).
Because REGARDLESS OF EXACT CARCANO BEING USED -- Lattimer's tests
WERE conducted WITH A CARCANO RIFLE, and ALL of those tests favored
the "single-assassin-firing-from-the-rear" scenario. Period.
So, get a new "Lattimer Line", Mr. Tom-Kook. The stupid one you're
using now is just too flimsy to hold an ounce of H20.
(Can this nutcase GET any nuttier, btw?)
David Von Pein
December 19, 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7afd16fc0023d663
==============================
>>> "He {Dr. John K. Lattimer} states that he owns a Manlicher-Carcano [sic] rifle model 91-30 with Serial Number 2766." <<<
As I said before, Lattimer's "C2766" remark was obviously an
error....because (as I shall provide below) Lattimer tells us MULTIPLE
times elsewhere in his book "Kennedy And Lincoln" that he was NOT
using Oswald's exact rifle. Heck, even the very page cited by Tom R.
(Page 250) contains info that contradicts Tom's "C2766" claims.....
"...Exactly like Oswald's. This {scope} was mounted exactly as
on the rifle from the same lot (Warren Commission Exhibit 139) that
was demonstrated unequivocally by the Warren Commission to have been
used to fire both of the bullets..." -- John K. Lattimer; Page 250 of
"Kennedy And Lincoln" (c.1980)
The overall language used on the VERY PAGE TOM R. SAYS PROVES LATTIMER
IS A LIAR shows a reasonable person that Mr. Lattimer was merely in
error re. his one "C2766" remark.
And when coupled with the following FOUR additional rifle references
scattered throughout Lattimer's K&L publication, it's quite clear that
Lattimer wasn't using Oswald's exact rifle.....
"I used a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano carbine of the same model as
that used by Oswald (model 91-38)..." -- JKL; Page 232
"I had examined Oswald's rifle at the National Archives..." --
JKL; Page 292
"We had procured four rifles of exactly the same type used by
Oswald. .... We then selected, from our four sample rifles, the one
that most closely resembled his {Oswald's}, in both condition and ease
of operation, for use in our firing tests." -- JKL; Page 295
"Although we had to be content with four rifles of the same
model as used by Oswald, the FBI used his actual rifle, and always
with the same results: none of the bullets ever tumbled {unless they
struck something else prior to striking a simulated Connally target}."
-- JKL; Pages 271 & 276
Tom R.,
What do you have to say about the above-referenced passages from Dr.
Lattimer re. the rifle that you claim that Lattimer claimed was
Oswald's exact C2766 weapon?
Based on these additional quotes from "K&L", do you honestly still
think Lattimer was insisting he was using "C2766" for his experiments?
BTW, Tom (incorrectly) said "model 91-30" above, when referring to the
MC rifle. I think this error gives me the right (per Tom's own rules)
to call Tom R. a "liar" and a scheming "cover-up agent"....seeing as
how he said "91-30" instead of the correct model number of "91-38".
Right? Right.
David Von Pein
December 21, 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/93ecc15549c00996
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tomnln
In order to support the Lies of the WCR;
You must REJECT your own people. (Lattimer)
Are you Denying that Lattimer said he had the same model rifle with the Same
Serial Number????
Here's the page from Lattimer's own book>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
You should spend your time SUCKING the written word instead of kooks.
btw;
Your wife said "The rabbit Died".
Wanna hit these Feloniesw by YOUR Side?>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/Evid%20Tamp.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
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