Jesus And The Father Are One "God"
Randy �
stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed
you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you
not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man,
make yourself God.
(John 10:30-33 KJ2000)
When faced with Scripture that directly teaches Jesus is one
with God the Father, hereticks like Glenn try to claim all
that means is that they are in "agreement". But if that were
the case, can you imagine Jews picking up stones to kill
Jesus, just for claiming He was in agreement with God?
No, they picked up stones to kill him, "because that you,
being a man, make yourself God". Yes, in claiming to be one
with the Father, Jesus was indeed both claiming to be "God",
and to be "one" with "God".
Sensi
> I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to
> stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed
> you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
> The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you
> not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man,
> make yourself God.
> (John 10:30-33 KJ2000)
>
>
> When faced with Scripture that directly teaches Jesus is one
> with God the Father, hereticks like Glenn try to claim all
> that means is that they are in "agreement". But if that were
> the case, can you imagine Jews picking up stones to kill
> Jesus, just for claiming He was in agreement with God?
Sensi:
I and my Father are one.
We think the same way
We have the same purpose
We have the same goals.
That is for a very noble cause..
Many good works have I showed
you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
Jesus's good Works ought to tell you something about goal,
purpose and intent as a partnership.
> No, they picked up stones to kill him, "because that you,
> being a man, make yourself God". Yes, in claiming to be one
> with the Father, Jesus was indeed both claiming to be "God",
> and to be "one" with "God".
Sensi:
Jesus always saw God as his Father..
You stone people every day who try to stop cruelty.
Jesus would have been blasted with a machine gun if you
had one and he told you about the good of doing unto others
and that would include your wife. I'm sure you'd drag out
your bible and show him different.
ThomM
> I and my Father are one.
The problem with your statement is that is based on a mistranslation
of a readily understood and often used IDIOM of ancient time.
If you read any other Roman or Greek literature - (Even Aesop used
it )
To say you were one with someone meant you agreed with them. You are
making the idiom mean something that was never intended by the
language.
In other language translations of the bible (i have a hand written
middle ages polish bible) - they use the word for agreement or concord
instead of saying ONE.
So - your interpretation is wrong based on the mistranslation of the
idiom into english. It is - in fact - a very common error - and since
religions WANT it to be there - since the christ never otherwise
claims to be a god - it is simply wrong.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:
Amen.
What Glenn is doing is spitting into our Savior's face on the cross.
(Glenn loves metaphors.)
Sensi
Sensi:
He's not on a cross.
And what you're saying is Glenn is spitting in your face but
you're trying to put Jesus's face in place of yours in
having to pick up *your* cross.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Sensi <sensi...@home.com> typed:
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> In news:im77355lvob6bb3or...@4ax.com,
>> Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:
>>> I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to
>>> stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed
>>> you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
>>> The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you
>>> not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man,
>>> make yourself God.
>>> (John 10:30-33 KJ2000)
>>>
>>>
>>> When faced with Scripture that directly teaches Jesus is one
>>> with God the Father, hereticks like Glenn try to claim all
>>> that means is that they are in "agreement". But if that were
>>> the case, can you imagine Jews picking up stones to kill
>>> Jesus, just for claiming He was in agreement with God?
>>>
>>> No, they picked up stones to kill him, "because that you,
>>> being a man, make yourself God". Yes, in claiming to be one
>>> with the Father, Jesus was indeed both claiming to be "God",
>>> and to be "one" with "God".
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>> What Glenn is doing is spitting into our Savior's face on the cross.
>> (Glenn loves metaphors.)
>>
>>
>
> Sensi:
> He's not on a cross.
So Jesus did not die there on a cross for me and my sins?
> And what you're saying is Glenn is spitting in your face but
> you're trying to put Jesus's face in place of yours in
> having to pick up *your* cross.
Thanks for proving who you are, but you can still not draw me into the
mud where you are dwelling when I am in the distance. It is no fun
watching you creeping around there, and no hope of a getting out of that
mess.
You need someone to help you. Shout for help, do it aloud, and God might
hear you.
I will pray for you.
This is how Glenn is spitting into Jesus' face, and Glenn is whom you
are defending:
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
In news:4a32bc35$0$52312$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net,
Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> typed:
> [...]
> Randy, and the Trinitarians, will pervert, and have perverted the word
> of God to teach and defend a lie of Satan.
>
>
> Glenn
> His witness
> Acts 1:18, Rev 11:3
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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> Randy wrote:
>
> > I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to
> > stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed
> > you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
> > The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you
> > not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man,
> > make yourself God.
> > (John 10:30-33 KJ2000)
> >
> >
> > When faced with Scripture that directly teaches Jesus is one
> > with God the Father, hereticks like Glenn try to claim all
> > that means is that they are in "agreement". But if that were
> > the case, can you imagine Jews picking up stones to kill
> > Jesus, just for claiming He was in agreement with God?
Neither would they would have attempted to stone Jesus either if they
believed Jesus being GOD.
Indeed, their failing to kill Jesus before the appointed time and
prophesied manner is evidence that He is GOD.
> Sensi:
>
> I and my Father are one.
Only if you know your Father's thoughts.
> We think the same way
If this were true, you two would be the same Person in different
situations.
> We have the same purpose
> We have the same goals.
Expected for the same Person.
> That is for a very noble cause..
Would be for all causes.
> Many good works have I showed
> you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
>
> Jesus's good Works ought to tell you something about goal,
> purpose and intent as a partnership.
The works were good because they were what GOD wanted (WDJW).
> > No, they picked up stones to kill him, "because that you,
> > being a man, make yourself God". Yes, in claiming to be one
> > with the Father, Jesus was indeed both claiming to be "God",
> > and to be "one" with "God".
>
> Sensi:
>
> Jesus always saw God as his Father..
And, we see Jesus as GOD:
"My LORD and my GOD!" -- disciple Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ
Jesus.
> You stone people every day who try to stop cruelty.
> Jesus would have been blasted with a machine gun if you
> had one and he told you about the good of doing unto others
> and that would include your wife. I'm sure you'd drag out
> your bible and show him different.
Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
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Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Sensi
Sensi:
You have a mind disease called the Me-MySins.
Sensi
Sensi:
How would you define God?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>
>
>
>
> Sensi:
> You have a mind disease called the Me-MySins.
Thanks for clearing us up about what you think about the cross.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>> So Jesus did not die there on a cross for me and my sins?
>
>
>
>
> Sensi:
> You have a mind disease called the Me-MySins.
Thanks also for proving why you are in this Christian newsgroup, namely
to weaken the faith and trust of the Christian posters in Jesus deed of
Redemption.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>
>
>
>
> Sensi:
> You have a mind disease called the Me-MySins.
Thanks for proving how you abuse people when they ask you a legit
question.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Sensi <sensi...@home.com> typed:
>> So Jesus did not die there on a cross for me and my sins?
>
>
>
>
> Sensi:
> You have a mind disease called the Me-MySins.
So are you saying that Jesus did not die for you and your sins on the
cross?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> Sensi wrote:
>>> Randy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to
>>>> stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed
>>>> you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
>>>> The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you
>>>> not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man,
>>>> make yourself God.
>>>> (John 10:30-33 KJ2000)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When faced with Scripture that directly teaches Jesus is one
>>>> with God the Father, hereticks like Glenn try to claim all
>>>> that means is that they are in "agreement". But if that were
>>>> the case, can you imagine Jews picking up stones to kill
>>>> Jesus, just for claiming He was in agreement with God?
>>
>
>Sensi:
>
>How would you define God?
Would not.
Defining GOD is offensive to Him.
This is understandable simply by the mental exercise of imagining
others defining you.
Instead, I would describe GOD ...
Most assuredly, without doubt, I know and understand GOD to be kind,
just, and right (Jeremiah 9:24).
>> "My LORD and my GOD!" -- disciple Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ
>> Jesus.
>>
>>> You stone people every day who try to stop cruelty.
>>> Jesus would have been blasted with a machine gun if you
>>> had one and he told you about the good of doing unto others
>>> and that would include your wife. I'm sure you'd drag out
>>> your bible and show him different.
>>
>> Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Again, Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Ken
practice and no admitting privileges.
His psychological problems and accompanying delusions have caused him
to become a complete failure as a human being not to mention being a
spamming Dickwadd
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <79ho8dF...@mid.individual.net>,
When's the last time Sensi said something that wasn't a loopy
enigma or contradiction to the plain teaching of Scripture?
I'm putting her back in the kill-file.
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
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May GOD soften your heart, Ken, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Sensi
>>> So Jesus did not die there on a cross for me and my sins?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sensi:
>> You have a mind disease called the Me-MySins.
>
>
>
> Thanks for clearing us up about what you think about the cross.
>
>
Sensi:
Trying to slip in another sly one, Vera?
I said you had a mind disease called Me-Mysins.
What about others, ours, theirs, them?
Funny you mention it as forgiveness of YOUR sins but you
seemed to forget the rest of the people like Feather,Diana,
Matt, Mark, Glenn, House, Amazing Grace, Kelly, P.Dave,
Chuck, myself,
etc...who also believe that God practices forgiveness of sins.
I can't speak for them but I still feel he holds us
accountable for our actions and that we do reap what we sow.
Should we be held accountable for our actions?
Do you feel we should all reap what we sow?
Sensi
Sensi:
Then you cannot define him as Jesus.
>
> Defining GOD is offensive to Him.
Sensi:
He's much more than just a trinity view.
>
> This is understandable simply by the mental exercise of imagining
> others defining you.
>
Sensi:
It's hard to define the Holy spirit and then describe to
people that this Holy Spirit tortures and burns people for
eternity from a hell they imagined to be real when its only
real in their mind and not the people they imagine it for.
> Instead, I would describe GOD ...
>
> Most assuredly, without doubt, I know and understand GOD to be kind,
> just, and right (Jeremiah 9:24).
>
Sensi:
Good enough..
>>> "My LORD and my GOD!" -- disciple Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ
>>> Jesus.
>>>
Sensi:
You defined God as kind, just and right? Kind is God, just
is God, right is God well, that's three ways of defining him.
>>>> You stone people every day who try to stop cruelty.
>>>> Jesus would have been blasted with a machine gun if you
>>>> had one and he told you about the good of doing unto others
>>>> and that would include your wife. I'm sure you'd drag out
>>>> your bible and show him different.
>>> Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
> Again, Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Sensi:
I can say whatever you want me to say if it makes the Dr.
feel better.
"Jesus is Lord."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> Defining GOD is offensive to Him.
>
>
>Sensi:
>He's much more than just a trinity view.
Infinitely more.
>> This is understandable simply by the mental exercise of imagining
>> others defining you.
>>
>
>Sensi:
>It's hard to define the Holy spirit and then describe to
>people that this Holy Spirit tortures and burns people for
>eternity from a hell they imagined to be real when its only
>real in their mind and not the people they imagine it for.
It is satan who torments people and not the Holy Spirit.
Simply read Job.
>> Instead, I would describe GOD ...
>>
>> Most assuredly, without doubt, I know and understand GOD to be kind,
>> just, and right (Jeremiah 9:24).
>
>Sensi:
>Good enough..
It is what GOD wanted me to write (WDJW).
Last night was led by the Holy Spirit to attend a Catholic Eucharistic
Congress:
http://www.archatl.com/congress/
Father Stephen (receiving confessions): "Are you Catholic?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "I grew up in a Catholic household because my mom is
Catholic. Once attended Mass and received Communion at Holy Cross
Catholic Church as a child here in Atlanta."
Father Stephen: "When was the last time you sinned?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "During Mass this evening when I did not partake of
the Eucharist though GOD wanted me to."
Father Stephen: "Why did you sin?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "Have not been adherent to Catholic Church doctrine
of worshipping only at Catholic Churches so chose to abide by the
rules of the Catholic Church instead of doing what GOD wants."
Father Stephen: "Are you here to confess or to witness?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "Am here to do what GOD wants. It is when we are
doing what GOD wants that we have stopped sinning in accord with what
is written in John 5:14."
Father Stephen: "How do you know when you are doing what GOD wants?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "When He is blessing me as He is blessing me right
now."
Father Stephen: " How do you know that GOD is blessing you right now?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "Because I am hungrier."
Father Stephen: "Hungrier for His Word?"
HeartDoc Andrew: "Spiritual hunger feels like physical hunger for it
is written in Luke 6:21 that Jesus said 'Blessed are you who hunger
now.'"
Father Stephen: <silence>
HeartDoc Andrew: "Father Stephen, can you say 'Jesus is LORD'?"
>>>> "My LORD and my GOD!" -- disciple Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ
>>>> Jesus.
>
>Sensi:
>You defined God as kind, just and right? Kind is God, just
>is God, right is God well, that's three ways of defining him.
Describing the qualities of a person does not define a person.
>>>>> You stone people every day who try to stop cruelty.
>>>>> Jesus would have been blasted with a machine gun if you
>>>>> had one and he told you about the good of doing unto others
>>>>> and that would include your wife. I'm sure you'd drag out
>>>>> your bible and show him different.
>>>> Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>
>> Again, Sensi, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
>Sensi:
>
>I can say whatever you want me to say if it makes the Dr.
>feel better.
You can say "Jesus is LORD" only if the Holy Spirit allows you to say
it.
>"Jesus is Lord."
Typing it is not the same as publicly saying it.
Please allow me to hear you say "Jesus is LORD" via voicemail at the
number listed at the following web site:
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Sensi <sensi...@home.com> typed:
Actually no, I do not, because that would mean death for everybody. I
prefer to accept God's present of grace, and what he did for me on the
cross. Anything else does not have a chance.
You are not good enough, no matter how hard you try. If you want to reap
what you sow, just go for it, but do not cry later.
Glenn
> I and my Father are one...
A husband and wife are one.
A husband and wife are not two persona of a single being.
A husband and wife are "of one mind," having a common purpose, in
agreement, with the wife in subjection to her husband.
God the Father and His Son are "of one mind," having a common purpose,
in agreement, with the Son in subjection to His Father.
The Jews picked up stones to kill Jesus because He claimed God as His
Father, and said He and His father are one (in unity, with the same
purpose,) NOT they are two persona of a triune being.
The Jews were smarter than Randy, Chuck and all the trinitarians I ever
met -- because they know that if a camel has a son, the son is the same
KIND of being as his father -- he's a camel.
When Jesus claimed God the Father AS HIS FATHER, the Jews knew something
Randy and the trinitarians don't comprehend, THAT JESUS HAS THE SAME
NATURE AS HIS FATHER, so if his father is Divine, then Jesus is divine.
There is no triune god.
I
>I and my Father are one.
--
John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
they may be one as we are one "
Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
COMPARISON BETWEEN GOD & JESUS OF NAZARETH
God is:
- everywhere (omnipresent):
- all knowing (omniscient)
- all powerful (omnipotent)
- Spirit
- eternal, self-existent
- invisible
- immutable (unchangeable)
- does not urinate, deficate or pass wind.
- does not get tired or sleep.
- does not die.
- sends but is not sent
- rules but is not ruled over
- commands but is not commanded.
BUT
The human Jesus of Nazareth is:
- confined / restricted to his human body
- doesn't know when the end will come
- heals a man in stages with spittle and dust
- cannot do miracles because of people's unbelief.
- human flesh with a spirit.
- began as a fetus inside Mary
- totally visible from his birth till his death.
- changed in the normal physical and psychological stages of all humans /
aged.
- urinated, deficated and passed wind.
- got tired and slept
- died by Roman execution.
- was sent and did not send
- is ruled over
- is commanded
Which seems to be the better God to worship?
I
> Jesus always saw God as his Father..
--
"I [Jesus] am ascending to MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" -
John 20:17
Does God have a God?????
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> typed:
> Randy � wrote:
>> I and my Father are one...
>
>
> A husband and wife are one.
> A husband and wife are not two persona of a single being.
>
> A husband and wife are "of one mind," having a common purpose, in
> agreement, with the wife in subjection to her husband.
But Jesus did not say that. He said, "I and my Father are one. Then the
Jews took up stones again to stone him." (John 10:30-31 KJV)
wax
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:79ill1F...@mid.individual.net...
> In news:4a3413b4$0$86452$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net,
> Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> typed:
>> Randy � wrote:
>>> I and my Father are one...
>>
>>
>> A husband and wife are one.
>> A husband and wife are not two persona of a single being.
>>
>> A husband and wife are "of one mind," having a common purpose, in
>> agreement, with the wife in subjection to her husband.
>
>
> But Jesus did not say that. He said, "I and my Father are one. Then the
> Jews took up stones again to stone him." (John 10:30-31 KJV)
Start with verse 10:24 and you will see that Jesus was answering the
question if he was the Christ.
--Wax
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <4a3413b4$0$86452$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net>,
Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>Randy � wrote:
>> I and my Father are one...
Gee, Glenn, why did you stop your ears? You don't want to see
the fact that Jesus said He was one with the Father, and that
the Jews interpreted that as Him claiming to be God, not that
He was just _agreeing_ with God? Jesus claimed He was one
with the Father, and that means He is _the_ God, not _a_ god.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
"I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I and my Father are one.
>
>--
>John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
>that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
>they may be one as we are one "
>
>Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
Him.
Great Sage Itchy
<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to
> stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed
> you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
> The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you
> not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man,
> make yourself God.
> (John 10:30-33 KJ2000)
>
>
> When faced with Scripture that directly teaches Jesus is one
> with God the Father, hereticks like Glenn try to claim all
> that means is that they are in "agreement". But if that were
> the case, can you imagine Jews picking up stones to kill
> Jesus, just for claiming He was in agreement with God?
>
> No, they picked up stones to kill him, "because that you,
> being a man, make yourself God". Yes, in claiming to be one
> with the Father, Jesus was indeed both claiming to be "God",
> and to be "one" with "God".
If you are a real "prophet', a real sage, a real enlightened person, a
real sensei, then you know that there is no difference between you and
God. You know that everything is ONE. God and Man are not 2 separate
things. There is only ONE origin for ALL.
When Jesus says "I and my Father are one" he is saying that he has seen
that everything is one. He has had the religious experience.
Having this experience, is what ALL religion is about. It's for
everyone, not just Jesus. It's your birthright as a human being.
Sensi
Sensi:
Can someone explain to her that reap what you sow applies to
our current life as we live it.
Most people learn this as a small child.
Ream Me Up Scotty
--
Sack time...~:b...
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <130620091925157847%it...@itchyandscratchy.com>,
Says who?
Thommadura
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
> Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>
>
>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I and my Father are one.
>> --
>> John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>> me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
>> that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
>> they may be one as we are one "
>>
>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>
>
> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
> Him.
How would YOU know that one - were you actually there?
I still amazes how theists will deliberately and knowingly LIE about
their BELIEFS.
Ane the christ myth is a belief - and cannot be established as truth or fact
Thommadura
Proving MY point all along.
Here are two theists arguing over a point of their individual and
personal beliefs.
If there was a real god to refer to - there would be no argument - since
the god would establish what the truth actually is.
That is why there are over 30,000 different christian denominations -
all with slightly different beleiefs - not even accounting for the
people who believe as they want to . It is obvious that there is no god
to provide the belief -= so HUMANS make it up - and decide what they
want it to be.
Glenn
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:01:41 -0700,
> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
> Article <4a3413b4$0$86452$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net>,
> Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Randy � wrote:
>>> I and my Father are one...
>
>
> Gee, Glenn, why did you stop your ears?
Why do you falsify the Word of God?
Jesus did NOT say "I and my Father are the Same Being."
You falsify the meaning of the term "one" to support the false doctrine
of a triune god.
Why do you deny that a husband and wife are "One" but that does not make
them members of a triune being?
> You don't want to see
> the fact that Jesus said He was one with the Father,
I acknowledge that Jesus is one with His Father.
The term "one" means "in accord" and "in agreement," having the same
purpose. Jesus acknowledged that He did the will of (two individual
beings) His Father who sent (two beings, one to send and one to be
sent), and scripture states that He learned obedience (defining two
individuals, one to teach and one to learn) by His suffering. Why do you
deny the word of God?
> and that the Jews interpreted that as Him claiming to be God,
You falsify Scripture by claiming that YOU know what the Jews thought,
and you are lying.
Jesus said "I and my Father..."
_THAT_ is what angered the Jews, because THEY knew that the Son is the
same KIND of being as is His Father. A get of a bitch is a dog, just
like his mother. The foal of a horse is a horse, just like his sire. God
the Father is Divine, therefore Jesus is Divine -- and the Jews
acknowledged Jesus claim to Deity by attacking Him.
YOU deny That Basic Truth in order to mis-interpret the Jews conduct in
order to defend a lie of Satan.
And, YOU continue to refuse to use the scriptural definition of the term
"God" and insist on using the definition created by the false doctrine
of a triune god.
> not that He was just _agreeing_ with God?
Do you deny that Jesus was/is in agreement with God the Father who sent Him?
> Jesus claimed He was one
> with the Father, and that means He is _the_ God, not _a_ god.
Sophistry and illogic, leading to a false conclusion.
Again you pervert the word of God in order to defend a lie of Satan; and
YOU continue to refuse to use the scriptural definition of the term
"God" and insist on using the definition created by the false doctrine
of a triune god.
Glenn
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
> Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>
>
>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I and my Father are one.
>>
>> me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
>> that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
>> they may be one as we are one "
>>
>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>
>
> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
> Him.
>
Again, Randy, you falsify the very words of Jesus!
Why do you deny the Very Words of Jesus!?
"...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
me and I am in you."
You claim that "as you are in me and I am in you" means that God the
Father and the Son of God are a triune being.
"... that they may be one as we are one."
"As We are One."
Why do you deny the very word of Jesus?
"AS WE ARE ONE!"
You claim that God the Father and the Literal son of God and actual Son
of Mary are members of a triune being -- and Jesus said that we would be
one "as We [Father and Son] are one."
No, Randy, this scripture clearly and absolutely proves that the
doctrine of a triune god is a lie of Satan, and every time you falsify
God's word to defend that doctrine you again demonstrate it is false.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <4a35043b$0$52309$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net>,
Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>Randy � wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
>> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
>> Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
>> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I and my Father are one.
>>>
>>> John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>>> me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
>>> that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
>>> they may be one as we are one "
>>>
>>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>>
>>
>> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
>> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
>> Him.
>>
>
>Again, Randy, you falsify the very words of Jesus!
You are a liar and false accuser for saying that!
>Why do you deny the Very Words of Jesus!?
Why do you deny the Very Words of Jesus when He said He was
one with the Father, and the Jews picked up stones to kill
Him, for claiming He is "God"? You are the liar and false
accuser!
>"...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>me and I am in you."
>
>You claim that "as you are in me and I am in you" means that God the
>Father and the Son of God are a triune being.
Again, you are documented liar and false accuser. That is
_not_ the verse I quoted as proof the Father and Son are one
"God". The verse I quoted is the one _you_ stopped your ears
at, where Jesus said He was "one" with the Father, and the
Jews picked up stones to kill Him.
You said all "one" means there is that He was in "agreement"
with the Father. Why would anyone pick up stones to kill
someone, for claiming they were in "agreement" with God? They
would not! They picked up stones to kill Him, because by
saying He was one with God, He made Himself to be "God"!
Thus, _you_, Glenn, are a _liar_ and false accuser!
>"... that they may be one as we are one."
That they may be one (with each other as the body of Christ)
as we are one (with each other as God), not that they may be
one God with us, as Mark Tindall is proposing it would mean.
>"As We are One."
>
>Why do you deny the very word of Jesus?
ibid. You are a liar and false accuser for claiming I deny
the word of Jesus.
>"AS WE ARE ONE!"
ibid.
>You claim that God the Father and the Literal son of God and actual Son
>of Mary are members of a triune being
1) The Bible teaches there is only one God:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is
one.
Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and
my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and
believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was
formed, nor will there be one after me.
Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says�Israel�s King and
Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not
proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses.
Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I
know not one."
Isaiah 45:6 so that from the rising of the sun to the place
of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the
LORD, and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it�let them take
counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it
from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no
God apart from me, a righteous God and a Saviour; there is
none but me.
Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the
earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things, those of long ago; I
am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none
like me.
2) The Bible teaches three distinct persons are God:
A) The Father is God (Theos)
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father,
of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus
Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all,
and through all, and in you all.
B) The Son is God (Theos)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
In this passage, Jesus did not become God after He ascended
and the Father seated Him at His right hand, but was already
God in the beginning. This verse uses the same exact word for
God, to describe both the Father and Son, and the absence of
the article does not necessitate or imply the word "God" means
two different things in the same sentence.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath
given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true,
and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery
of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed
on in the world, received up into glory.
C) The Spirit is God (theos)
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine
heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the
price of the land?
Acts 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after
it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou
conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto
men, but unto God.
That the Holy Spirit is a person, not just like the "soul" of
God the Father or Christ, is evident in that he is spoken of
with the personal pronoun "he", that he has a name, and that
he is distinguished from the Father and son at the same time
(see below).
D) These three are distinct from one another
Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to
pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven
was opened,
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like
a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost:
When one blasphemes these facts, they are either promoting the
worship of more than one God, which is idolatry that results
in eternal damnation (1 Corinthians 6:9-10), or they are
rejecting the deity of two persons the Bible says are God,
which will also result in one dying in their sins (John 8:24,
58; Rom. 10:9-13).
Since these Bible facts are what is meant by the word
"trinity", or "triune", those who blaspheme the teaching God
is "triune", or a "trinity", are blaspheming these Bible
facts, and therefore the God they proclaim.
>-- and Jesus said that we would be one "as We [Father and Son] are one."
As Jesus is one "God" with the Father (which is what the Jews
understood Him to be claiming by saying He was one with the
Father), believers are one "body" with other believers.
That passage doesn't say believers are one with God, as God,
but that they are one with other believers in God.
>No, Randy, this scripture clearly and absolutely proves that the
>doctrine of a triune god is a lie of Satan, and every time you falsify
>God's word to defend that doctrine you again demonstrate it is false.
No, thoroughly documented, Satanic liar and false accusing
sock-puppet Glenn, you deny and reject the Deity of Christ
when you assault the fact that He is God (the Being), as a
"Satanic lie" and "Anti-christ", on a daily basis. You reject
the fact that Jesus is God (the Being), claiming He is only
god a "delegated ruler".
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:53:02 -0800,
in article <12mhiak...@corp.supernews.com>,
oldwetdog <g.aed...@yahoo.com> wrote:
**********************************************************
>First, you mis-comprehend the meaning of the word "God."
>The Term "God" means "Ruler," not "being" (although it is
>sometimes used in that way.)
>
>GOD The Father is that Being which Fathered One Son.
>HE, GOD The Father, gave all power to His Only Son and sat Him on
>HIS Throne -- Therefore the Son is Ruler (God) of His Kingdom.
**********************************************************
But what does John 1:1 say?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God <2316>, and the Word was God <2316>.
1) The same exact word is used for "God", in the same
sentence, and in a context which shows Christ has always
existed. Owd expects us to believe "God" means only "ruler",
when applied to Christ, but then suddenly means "the One God
being" when applied to the Father.
2) Christ already "was" "God", in the beginning. Owd claims
Christ became "God" (Ruler), when the Father seated Him on His
throne. But when did that occur? Not until Christ died,
rose, and ascended (Heb. 10:12). This presents a problem with
Owd's claim that Christ is only God in the sense of being
"ruler", because he claims that didn't occur till after Christ
rose, but John 1:1 says He already "was" (state of "being")
God in the "beginning".
>Glenn
>His witness
>Acts 1:18, Rev 11:3
>
>
>
--
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:01:41 -0700,
> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
> Article <4a3413b4$0$86452$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net>,
> Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Randy � wrote:
>>> I and my Father are one...
>
>
> Gee, Glenn, why did you stop your ears? You don't want to see
> the fact that Jesus said He was one with the Father, and that
> the Jews interpreted that as Him claiming to be God, not that
> He was just _agreeing_ with God? Jesus claimed He was one
> with the Father, and that means He is _the_ God, not _a_ god.
Correct.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> typed:
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
> Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>
>
>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I and my Father are one.
>>
>> --
>> John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as
>> you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the
>> world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory
>> that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one "
>>
>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>
>
> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
> Him.
Amen.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
My current life started om March 23rd, 2000, and it will last eternally.
So what is your problem?
You, however, just reap for this life on earth, which will soon be over.
But you WILL reap what you sow.
> Most people learn this as a small child.
Sure.
Sensi
Sensi:
You have a lot more problems with it than I do or you
wouldn't ask me if I had a problem with your life.
I hope you're not referring to your ng life as your life.
> You, however, just reap for this life on earth, which will soon be over.
> But you WILL reap what you sow.
>
>
Sensi:
I shall, I shall, and hopefully I'll have learned
something to take with me from all my reaping and sowing.
Fred Thomas
What have you in the way of evidence or proof of that claim? BTW, you only have
one life, I suspect you are older than 9 years. You may have what you call some
kind of life changing event that resulted in a different out look, but your life
started at birth.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Fred Thomas <fr...@aol.com> typed:
I was born again on that day.
You can read my story if you have enough time:
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
Now what about you?
Glenn
I don't deny the words of Jesus, so you've made another false accusation.
Jesus said "My Father..." Claiming the same nature as His Father.
> and the Jews picked up stones to kill
> Him, for claiming He is "God"? You are the liar and false
> accuser!
Jesus did not claim he was "God." He claimed to be "in unity" with His
Father.
>
>
>> "...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>> me and I am in you."
>>
>> You claim that "as you are in me and I am in you" means that God the
>> Father and the Son of God are a triune being.
>
>
> Again, you are documented liar and false accuser. That is
> _not_ the verse I quoted as proof the Father and Son are one
> "God". The verse I quoted is the one _you_ stopped your ears
> at, where Jesus said He was "one" with the Father, and the
> Jews picked up stones to kill Him.
Again you make false accusations and lie.
Again you deny that the Jews comprehended that if God the Father is the
Father of Jesus, THEN Jesus is the same nature as His Father.
Therefore, Since Jesus said "My father..." Then he is claiming Deity and
THAT is why the Jews wanted to stone Him.
>
> You said all "one" means there is that He was in "agreement"
> with the Father. Why would anyone pick up stones to kill
> someone, for claiming they were in "agreement" with God?
They did not. And THAT proves, again, that you are a liar who will
falsify God's word to defend a lie of Satan.
The Jews picked up stones to kill Him because he said "My Father..."
The Jews knew that if God the Fatherr is the Father of Jesus, then Jesus
is the same nature as His Father. If the Father is Deity, then the Son
is Deity.
> They
> would not! They picked up stones to kill Him, because by
> saying He was one with God, He made Himself to be "God"!
Illogical, Sophistry, an out and out lie. They picked up stones to kill
him because He said "My Father..." Meaning that He is the same Nature as
His Father. Since the Father is Divine, then the Son is Divine.
>
> Thus, _you_, Glenn, are a _liar_ and false accuser!
>
>
>> "... that they may be one as we are one."
>
>
> That they may be one (with each other as the body of Christ)
See how you pervert and falsify Jesus' words! He said
"As We are one."
> as we are one (with each other as God), not that they may be
> one God with us, as Mark Tindall is proposing it would mean.
You have again falsified God's Word, which demonstrates which god you
serve and worship.
>
>
>> "As We are One."
>>
>> Why do you deny the very word of Jesus?
>
>
> ibid. You are a liar and false accuser for claiming I deny
> the word of Jesus.
ibid.
You falsify and pervert the Word of God and the Very Words of Jesus, as
demonstrated above.
>
>
>> "AS WE ARE ONE!"
>
>
> ibid.
Ibid.
>
>
>> You claim that God the Father and the Literal son of God and actual Son
>> of Mary are members of a triune being
>
>
> 1) The Bible teaches there is only one God:
Certainly: NOW all you need to do is abandon the trinitarian definition
of "God" and use the Scriptural definition!
"God is not a man..."
"No man hath seen God..."
"God is Spirit."
>
> Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is
> one.
Exactly" God the Father gave HIS Son ALL Authority and ALL power and
told Him to rule until HE (God the Father) made His (the Son) enemies
His foot stool.
God the Father ("God is Spirit") ("God is NOT a man") ("No man hath seen
God at anytime") Made HIS Son God (Lord, King, Ruler) over Israel.
Thomas acknowledged that: "My Lord and my God."
>
> Isaiah 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and
> my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and
> believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was
> formed, nor will there be one after me.
Does not depict or define God as a triune being.
You refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
> Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says�Israel�s King and
> Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last;
> apart from me there is no God.
Does not define or describe God as a Triune Being.
Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
> Isaiah 44:8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not
> proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses.
> Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I
> know not one."
Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
> Isaiah 45:6 so that from the rising of the sun to the place
> of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the
> LORD, and there is no other.
Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
> Isaiah 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it�let them take
> counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it
> from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no
> God apart from me, a righteous God and a Saviour; there is
> none but me.
Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
> Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the
> earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
> Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things, those of long ago; I
> am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none
> like me.
Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>
>
> 2) The Bible teaches three distinct persons are God:
>
> A) The Father is God (Theos)
Fine: "Jesus said of His Father, "God is Spirit."
>
> 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father,
> of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus
> Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Excellent!
Defines and Describes _two beings_ God the Father, and His Son and our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Does not define God as a triune Being.
>
> Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all,
> and through all, and in you all.
Excellent!
Does NOT describe or Define God as a triune being.
>
>
> B) The Son is God (Theos)
>
> John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
> [the] God, and the Word was Ruler.
This scripture has been falsified by trinitarians.
Does not define God as a triune being.
Describes TWO Beings: The Word, Whom God the Father brought forth BEFORE
Creation.
See:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
>
>
> In this passage, Jesus did not become God after He ascended
> and the Father seated Him at His right hand, but was already
> God in the beginning.
"The term "God" means "King or Absolute Ruler."
God the Father made His Son Ruler of all Creation _before_ anything was
created.
> This verse uses the same exact word for
> God, to describe both the Father and Son,
Except that the Trinitarians removed the article "the" which
differentiated GOD the Father from God the Son.
See:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
> and the absence of
> the article does not necessitate or imply the word "God" means
> two different things in the same sentence.
It does not necessitate or imply that God is a triune being either,
since that there are NOT three beings named or defined in this scripture.
>
> 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath
> given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true,
> and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
> This is the true God, and eternal life.
Does not define or describe a triune god.
In fact, Since God the Father gave His Son ALL authority and ALL power
and told Him to Rule, then He, Jesus IS (as Thomas acknowledged) our
Lord and Our (King and Ruler) God.
>
> 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery
> of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
> Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed
> on in the world, received up into glory.
Exactly: God the Father dwells in His Son Jesus, and Jesus did the works
of His Father.
Does not define or describe a triune god.
>
>
> C) The Spirit is God (theos)
>
> Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine
> heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the
> price of the land?
>
> Acts 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after
> it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou
> conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto
> men, but unto God.
>
> That the Holy Spirit is a person, not just like the "soul" of
> God the Father or Christ, is evident in that he is spoken of
> with the personal pronoun "he", that he has a name, and that
> he is distinguished from the Father and son at the same time
> (see below).
What a perversion! What sophistry and Lies!
The Spirit of God *IS* God, so of course "HE" would be spoken of as "HE."
The Spirit of Christ IS Christ,
The Spirit of God the Father IS God the Father.
>
>
> D) These three are distinct from one another
That is the LIE of the Trinitarians.
There are TWO distinct individuals:
God the Father and the Spirit of God are a single, same, Being.
Father and Son are TWO individual, distinct and separate Beings.
Jesus the Son of God the Father and the Spirit of Christ are a single,
same, Being.
There are not Three: There are TWO: Father and Son, and each has a
spirit, just as every human has a spirit.
> Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to
> pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven
> was opened,
> Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like
> a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
> Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Fine: Defines and describes Two Beings, God the Father and the Spirit of
God which are a single, same, Being; and the Son of God.
Does not define god as a triune being.
>
> Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
> baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
> of the Holy Ghost:
This scripture has been falsified by trinitarians.
The "Holy Ghost" (The Spirit of God) _IS_ GOD, not a persona of a
multiple personality being.
Does not define God as a triune being.
>
> When one blasphemes these facts,
You did not present any facts; what you presented is perversions and
falsifications of God's Word.
The fact is that NO scripture defines or depicts or describes God as a
triune being.
> they are either promoting the worship of more than one God,
The triune god created by Satan through the pope of the RCC is a false god.
> which is idolatry that results
> in eternal damnation (1 Corinthians 6:9-10),
Worshiping a triune god is an act of idolatry.
Falsifying the word of god to defend the false doctrine of a triune god
makes you a servant of Satan.
> or they are
> rejecting the deity of two persons the Bible says are God,
Again you are using the trinitarian definition of the term "God."
Again you refuse to use the scriptural ("God is not a man,") ("No man
hath seen God") definition of the term "God."
GOD the Father made His son Ruler and (God) King of Israel.
> which will also result in one dying in their sins (John 8:24,
> 58; Rom. 10:9-13).
>
> Since these Bible facts are what is meant by the word
> "trinity", or "triune",
You presented no "facts" -- what you presented are lies and
falsifications of God's word,
The false doctrine of "trinity" or "triune" falsifies these Bible facts
in order to support the lie of Satan that Jesus is not the Literal Son
of God and Actual Child of Mary.
> those who blaspheme the teaching God
> is "triune", or a "trinity", are blaspheming these Bible
> facts, and therefore the God they proclaim.
You presented no Bible facts: What you presented are lies and
falsifications of God's Word.
No, those who deny the false doctrine of a "trinity" or a triune god
are serving the God of Abraham, while those who pervert God's word to
defend trinity doctrine are serving the father of lies, Satan.
>
>
>> -- and Jesus said that we would be one "as We [Father and Son] are one."
>
>
> As Jesus is one "God" with the Father
Jesus did not claim or state that He "is one 'God' with the Father," so
you are again falsifying God's Word and Jesus' own words. THAT makes you
a liar who is serving the father of lies, Satan.
> (which is what the Jews
> understood Him to be claiming by saying He was one with the
> Father),
Again you pervert and lie about what someone means or thinks. The Jews
knew that the Son is the Same NATURE (kind of Being) as the Father.
Since God the Father is Divine, then Jesus was claiming to be Divine,
and THATS why the Jews wanted to stone Him.
> believers are one "body" with other believers.
You falsify Jesus' own words: "As we are one."
>
> That passage doesn't say believers are one with God, as God,
> but that they are one with other believers in God.
Again you falsify the very words of Jesus.
>
>
>> No, Randy, this scripture clearly and absolutely proves that the
>> doctrine of a triune god is a lie of Satan, and every time you falsify
>> God's word to defend that doctrine you again demonstrate it is false.
>
>
> No, thoroughly documented, Satanic liar and false accusing
> sock-puppet Glenn, you deny and reject the Deity of Christ
> when you assault the fact that He is God (the Being), as a
> "Satanic lie" and "Anti-christ", on a daily basis. You reject
> the fact that Jesus is God (the Being), claiming He is only
> god a "delegated ruler".
GOD the Father "delegated" His Son to Rule...
[KJV] Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make
thine enemies thy footstool.
And see 1 Cor 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom
to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all
authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all
things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did
put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son
also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God
may be all in all.
>
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:53:02 -0800,
> in article <12mhiak...@corp.supernews.com>,
> oldwetdog <g.aed...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> **********************************************************
>> First, you mis-comprehend the meaning of the word "God."
>> The Term "God" means "Ruler," not "being" (although it is
>> sometimes used in that way.)
>>
>> GOD The Father is that Being which Fathered One Son.
>> HE, GOD The Father, gave all power to His Only Son and sat Him on
>> HIS Throne -- Therefore the Son is Ruler (God) of His Kingdom.
> **********************************************************
>
> But what does John 1:1 say?
>
> John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
> God <2316>, and the Word was God <2316>.
Trinitarians have falsified this scripture.
See:
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
This scripture should read:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with *the* God <2316>,
and the Word was God <2316>.
>
> 1) The same exact word is used for "God",
Excellent: Then we know that the Son is the same KIND of Being as His
father, but they are not the same being.
Fine: This scripture does not define god as a triune being. There are
TWO persons described, The Word, and [The] God.
> in the same
> sentence, and in a context which shows Christ has always
> existed.
No, it does NOT show Christ has always existed. The Father comes before
the Son, and the Son comes FROM the Father.
> Owd expects us to believe "God" means only "ruler",
God the Father gave His Son ALL authority and ALL power and told Him to
RULE.
> when applied to Christ, but then suddenly means "the One God
> being" when applied to the Father.
Again you refuse to use Scriptural definitions and continue to use the
definition 'made up' by the trinitarians.
"God is not a man" --> But Jesus was a man.
"No man hath seen God..." ---> But men HAVE seen Jesus
Jesus said of His Father, "God is Spirit" while he was standing in front
of them IN THE FLESH!
>
> 2) Christ already "was" "God", in the beginning.
"Kind of Being." The Son is the same NATURE (kind of Being) as His Father.
> Owd claims
> Christ became "God" (Ruler), when the Father seated Him on His
> throne. But when did that occur? Not until Christ died,
> rose, and ascended (Heb. 10:12).
A false accusation: I claim GOD the Father made HIS son (King and
Absolute Ruler) God BEFORE the Creation of the world.
False. A blatant lie.
[KJV] Psalms 110:1-2
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make
thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength
out of Zion: *rule* thou in the midst of thine enemies.
God the Father gave All authority and All power to his Son BEFORE the
Creation of the universe.
[KJV] Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me
in heaven and in earth.
GOD the Father gave HIS Son all power BEFORE He was crucified,
So once again, Randy, you have been revealed as a liar, a false accuser
who will distort and falsify God's Word to defend a lie of Satan.
> This presents a problem with
> Owd's claim that Christ is only God in the sense of being
> "ruler",
Another false accusation.
Jesus is "God" by at least two definitions of the Term "God"
First, as I have said before and Randy ignores so he can continue to
make false accusations...
The term "God" can mean KIND of Being:
"God is not a man..."
"God is Spirit."
That a father and Son share the same nature is known to all but Randy.
Since Jesus is the Son of GOD (Kind of Being) then Jesus is the Same
KIND of Being.
Second: The Term "God" means King, Ruler, one having ALL Authority and
ALL power.
God the Father gave HIS Son All Power and ALL authority and told Him to
rule.
Thomas acknowledged Jesus as "Lord and God" by THAT definition: Jesus is
the Lord and (Ruler) God of Israel.
> because he claims that didn't occur till after Christ
> rose,
One last lie, right Randy?
> but John 1:1 says He already "was" (state of "being")
> God in the "beginning".
Yes, The Son of God was With His Father GOD, before the 'beginning' and
yet that does not mean that they are the same Being, or that they are
two persona or a multiple persona being.
The false doctrine of a triune god is a lie of Satan, and YOU, Randy,
pervert, distort and falsify God's Word to teach and defend that false
doctrine.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> typed:
Nonsense.
>> and the Jews picked up stones to kill
>> Him, for claiming He is "God"? You are the liar and false
>> accuser!
>
> Jesus did not claim he was "God." He claimed to be "in unity" with His
> Father.
Nonsense.
>>> "...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>>> me and I am in you."
>>>
>>> You claim that "as you are in me and I am in you" means that God the
>>> Father and the Son of God are a triune being.
>>
>>
>> Again, you are documented liar and false accuser. That is
>> _not_ the verse I quoted as proof the Father and Son are one
>> "God". The verse I quoted is the one _you_ stopped your ears
>> at, where Jesus said He was "one" with the Father, and the
>> Jews picked up stones to kill Him.
>
> Again you make false accusations and lie.
>
> Again you deny that the Jews comprehended that if God the Father is
> the Father of Jesus, THEN Jesus is the same nature as His Father.
What a trash!
> Therefore, Since Jesus said "My father..." Then he is claiming Deity
> and THAT is why the Jews wanted to stone Him.
Nonsense!
The children of Israel called God their Father already, before Jesus:
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
>> You said all "one" means there is that He was in "agreement"
>> with the Father. Why would anyone pick up stones to kill
>> someone, for claiming they were in "agreement" with God?
>
> They did not. And THAT proves, again, that you are a liar who will
> falsify God's word to defend a lie of Satan.
>
> The Jews picked up stones to kill Him because he said "My Father..."
>
> The Jews knew that if God the Fatherr is the Father of Jesus, then
> Jesus is the same nature as His Father. If the Father is Deity, then
> the Son is Deity.
Muchos bananas! Bananas can make you happy. Eat many! Do not write so
much nonsense.
>> They
>> would not! They picked up stones to kill Him, because by
>> saying He was one with God, He made Himself to be "God"!
>
> Illogical, Sophistry, an out and out lie. They picked up stones to
> kill him because He said "My Father..."
Surely NOT, since the children of Israel called God their Father already
before Jesus:
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
> Meaning that He is the same
> Nature as His Father. Since the Father is Divine, then the Son is
> Divine.
Nonsense.
>> Thus, _you_, Glenn, are a _liar_ and false accuser!
>>
>>
>>> "... that they may be one as we are one."
>>
>>
>> That they may be one (with each other as the body of Christ)
>
> See how you pervert and falsify Jesus' words! He said
> "As We are one."
See how you are doing that...
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
>> as we are one (with each other as God), not that they may be
>> one God with us, as Mark Tindall is proposing it would mean.
>
> You have again falsified God's Word, which demonstrates which god you
> serve and worship.
YOU have done that.
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
>>> "As We are One."
>>>
>>> Why do you deny the very word of Jesus?
>>
>>
>> ibid. You are a liar and false accuser for claiming I deny
>> the word of Jesus.
>
> ibid.
>
> You falsify and pervert the Word of God and the Very Words of Jesus,
> as demonstrated above.
No, he does not, but you do.
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
>>> "AS WE ARE ONE!"
>>
>>
>> ibid.
>
> Ibid.
>
>>
>>
>>> You claim that God the Father and the Literal son of God and actual
>>> Son of Mary are members of a triune being
>>
>>
>> 1) The Bible teaches there is only one God:
>
> Certainly: NOW all you need to do is abandon the trinitarian
> definition of "God" and use the Scriptural definition!
>
> "God is not a man..."
> "No man hath seen God..."
> "God is Spirit."
>
>>
>> Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is
>> one.
>
> Exactly" God the Father gave HIS Son ALL Authority and ALL power and
> told Him to rule until HE (God the Father) made His (the Son) enemies
> His foot stool.
Surely NOT, since the children of Israel called God their Father already
before Jesus:
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
> God the Father ("God is Spirit") ("God is NOT a man") ("No man hath
> seen God at anytime") Made HIS Son God (Lord, King, Ruler) over
> Israel.
> Thomas acknowledged that: "My Lord and my God."
What a nonsense!
I wonder how one person alone can write so much garbage. I will stop
here, because Glenn claims the same nonsense all over again... It is
vanities of vanities with that guy.
Fact is that the Jews did not throw stones at Jesus because he claimed
to be one with the Father , but because He claimed to be God. If they
saw blasphemy in calling God father, they would have done so before.
However, Isaiah proves differently:
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and
Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer;
thy name is from everlasting. (Isaiah 63:16 KJV)
Fred Thomas
You were not born 9 years ago.
> You can read my story if you have enough time:
>
Why?
> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
>
> Now what about you?
>
What about me?
>
::: Jesus is LORD :::
But I surely was born into a new Spiritual life. How can you say I was
not? Just because you have not experienced that does not mean I did not.
>> You can read my story if you have enough time:
>>
> Why?
YOU asked for proof. My testimony is all I can give you. If you do not
believe it, it is your business.
>> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
>>
>> Now what about you?
>>
>
> What about me?
Why are you here? What do you believe? Are you a Christian? Born again?
Have you given your life to Jesus? Etc...
Sensi
Sensi:
What she means is that she had an emotional experience at
her church and she thought it meant that she'd no longer
have to be responsible for her actions.
So for 9 long years she's been harassing people about
their actions and telling them they're going to hell which
to her is not an action on her part but is her duty to
spread gloom, doom and destruction and because of that she's
turned into a doom and gloomy destruction type of person.
Fred Thomas
> In news:h13ifk$fs0$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
> Fred Thomas <fr...@aol.com> typed:
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>>> My current life started om March 23rd, 2000, and it will last
>>>>> eternally. So what is your problem?
>>>>>
>>>> What have you in the way of evidence or proof of that claim? BTW,
>>>> you only have one life, I suspect you are older than 9 years. You
>>>> may have what you call some kind of life changing event that
>>>> resulted in a different out look, but your life started at birth.
>>> I was born again on that day.
>>>
>> You were not born 9 years ago.
>
> But I surely was born into a new Spiritual life. How can you say I was
> not? Just because you have not experienced that does not mean I did not.
>
born 9 years ago.
>
>>> You can read my story if you have enough time:
>>>
>> Why?
>
> YOU asked for proof. My testimony is all I can give you. If you do not
> believe it, it is your business.
>
Your story is no more than the normal person going though life.
>>> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
>>>
>>> Now what about you?
>>>
>> What about me?
>
> Why are you here?
Discussion.
>What do you believe? Are you a Christian? Born again?
> Have you given your life to Jesus? Etc...
>
What does it matter?
Thommadura
> Randy � wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
>> In newsgroup "alt.bible", Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
>> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I and my Father are one.
>>>
>>> John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as you
>>> are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world
>>> may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that
>>> you gave me, that they may be one as we are one "
>>>
>>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>>
>>
>> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
>> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
>> Him.
>>
>
> Again, Randy, you falsify the very words of Jesus!
>
> Why do you deny the Very Words of Jesus!?
That one is easy - there are no words that can be proven to be the words
of the christ (His name could not have been jesus - and you do not
translate proper names)
Of course - that assumes that he even lived - which also cannot be
verified at all as well - with statements that WE have on a document
dated to his supposed time.
So - as noted - if you claim you have the words of the christ - the onus
is on you to prove that the christ actually lived - and actually said
anything you say he did.
And as we know - you can't do that!
Bear
I know it is a waste of time trying to get Glenn to answer questions
but I will do it any way.
Notice in Isaiah 44 6 "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, (one
person, the King of Israel)
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: (second person, the Lord of
hosts)
'I am the First and I am the Last; (one entity)
Besides Me there is no God. (no argument, God clearly states there is
no God besides Him.
I am assuming that Glenn will claim that the King of Israel and, the
Lord of hosts is the same person and I can see where it could perhaps
be interpreted that way, or do you Glenn?
Keep in mind God says He is the First and the Last and, there is no
God besides Him.
Isa 48 12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called:
"�I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last."
Would you agree Glenn that this is still God talking?
Rev 1 8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,"
says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
This perhaps, may be open to interpretation, I think it is Jesus, who
do you say that it is Glenn?
Rev 1 11 saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the
Last,"
Same wording as in Isaiah, "the First and the Last". This perhaps,
may be open to interpretation, I think it is Jesus, who do you say
that it is Glenn?
Rev 1 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid
His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First
and the Last.
Again, "the First and the Last", same question as for v11.
Rev 21 6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the
Omega, the Beginning and the End.
Is this God speaking or is it Jesus?
Rev 22 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,
the First and the Last."
Again, "the First and the Last", same question as for v11.
Rev 2 8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, 'These
things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:
This one I do not think is open to interpretation, what do you think
Glenn?
Now this is where it gets very interesting to me, keeping in mind what
God said in Isaiah, 44:6 "I am the First and I am the Last; Besides
Me there is no God."
Now what does Rev 2:8 say? "These things says the First and the
Last", same wording as in previous verses which could be interpreted
as God or Jesus but then these words, "who was dead, and came to
life".
Ok Glenn, God claims in Isaiah 44:6 that He is "the First and the
Last", does He not? And, does He not also state that there is no God
besides Him?
Now the person in Rev 2:8 also uses "the First and the Last", same as
in Isaiah, however, this person states that He "was dead, and came to
life". Could this apply to God in the context that you do not believe
that Jesus "is" God? If not, how do you explain Jesus using the exact
same title as God used in Isaiah? Is He being misleading? In the
event you claim the one in Rev 2:8 "is" God, not Jesus, could you
provide scripture where God was once dead and came to life?
I suppose these are just more "rhetorical" questions that you are
going to ignore as you have my questions previously, and that is ok, I
understand, and believe most people will.
I believe I have quoted eight verses word for word, I inputted in
places what I believe those verses say and I have asked you questions
that if answered with scripture would be an opportunity for you to
lend some validity to your view that the Trinity is of Satan.
>> Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says�Israel�s King and
>> Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last;
>> apart from me there is no God.
>
>Does not define or describe God as a Triune Being.
>Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>>
>> Isaiah 44:8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not
>> proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses.
>> Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I
>> know not one."
>
>Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
>Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>>
>> Isaiah 45:6 so that from the rising of the sun to the place
>> of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the
>> LORD, and there is no other.
>
>Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
>Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>
>>
>> Isaiah 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it�let them take
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Fred Thomas <fr...@aol.com> typed:
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> In news:h13ifk$fs0$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> Fred Thomas <fr...@aol.com> typed:
>>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>>>> My current life started om March 23rd, 2000, and it will last
>>>>>> eternally. So what is your problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>> What have you in the way of evidence or proof of that claim? BTW,
>>>>> you only have one life, I suspect you are older than 9 years. You
>>>>> may have what you call some kind of life changing event that
>>>>> resulted in a different out look, but your life started at birth.
>>>> I was born again on that day.
>>>>
>>> You were not born 9 years ago.
>>
>> But I surely was born into a new Spiritual life. How can you say I
>> was not? Just because you have not experienced that does not mean I
>> did not.
> You had an event that changed your out look and belief system, but
> you were not born 9 years ago.
I was born again Spiritually nine years ago on March 23. You cannot
change that by claiming I was not. :-)
>>>> You can read my story if you have enough time:
>>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> YOU asked for proof. My testimony is all I can give you. If you do
>> not believe it, it is your business.
>>
>
> Your story is no more than the normal person going though life.
If you say so.
>>>> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
>>>>
>>>> Now what about you?
>>>>
>>> What about me?
>>
>> Why are you here?
>
> Discussion.
Nah - you are not interested in the Christian faith. You are here for
trolling and causing some trouble to the Christians, right?
>> What do you believe? Are you a Christian? Born again?
>> Have you given your life to Jesus? Etc...
>>
>
> What does it matter?
Discussion.
Fred Thomas
> In news:h13pdi$cn9$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
> Fred Thomas <fr...@aol.com> typed:
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> In news:h13ifk$fs0$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>>> Fred Thomas <fr...@aol.com> typed:
>>>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>>>>> My current life started om March 23rd, 2000, and it will last
>>>>>>> eternally. So what is your problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What have you in the way of evidence or proof of that claim? BTW,
>>>>>> you only have one life, I suspect you are older than 9 years. You
>>>>>> may have what you call some kind of life changing event that
>>>>>> resulted in a different out look, but your life started at birth.
>>>>> I was born again on that day.
>>>>>
>>>> You were not born 9 years ago.
>>> But I surely was born into a new Spiritual life. How can you say I
>>> was not? Just because you have not experienced that does not mean I
>>> did not.
>> You had an event that changed your out look and belief system, but
>> you were not born 9 years ago.
>
> I was born again Spiritually nine years ago on March 23. You cannot
> change that by claiming I was not. :-)
>
You had an emotional change, you were not born again. A) you must provide
evidence of a "spiritual" world. You are composed of carbon and water.
> >>>> You can read my story if you have enough time:
>>>> Why?
>>> YOU asked for proof. My testimony is all I can give you. If you do
>>> not believe it, it is your business.
>>>
>> Your story is no more than the normal person going though life.
>
> If you say so.
>
>
>>>>> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Now what about you?
>>>>>
>>>> What about me?
>>> Why are you here?
>> Discussion.
>
> Nah - you are not interested in the Christian faith. You are here for
> trolling and causing some trouble to the Christians, right?
>
Discussion, are you up to it or are you so insecure that you get defensive?
>
>>> What do you believe? Are you a Christian? Born again?
>>> Have you given your life to Jesus? Etc...
>>>
>> What does it matter?
>
> Discussion.
>
Then be open to discussion.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Sensi (writing about Vera):
> What she means is that she had an emotional experience at
> her church and she thought it meant that she'd no longer
> have to be responsible for her actions.
> So for 9 long years she's been harassing people about
> their actions and telling them they're going to hell which
> to her is not an action on her part but is her duty to
> spread gloom, doom and destruction and because of that she's
> turned into a doom and gloomy destruction type of person.
May GOD soften Vera's heart so that she would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
In the interim, you may have missed the following post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/ea2511febe952d4d?
Sensi, are you now able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
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Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Bear
My software does not show this as posting so this is a re-post. Please
pardon if it is a duplicate.
>>
>>
>> Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says�Israel�s King and
>> Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last;
>> apart from me there is no God.
>
>Does not define or describe God as a Triune Being.
>Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>>
>> Isaiah 44:8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not
>> proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses.
>> Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I
>> know not one."
>
>Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
>Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>>
>> Isaiah 45:6 so that from the rising of the sun to the place
>> of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the
>> LORD, and there is no other.
>
>Does not define or describe god as a triune being.
>Again you refuse to use the Scriptural Definition of the term "God."
>
>
>>
>> Isaiah 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it�let them take
Glenn
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:79ill1F...@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:4a3413b4$0$86452$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net,
>> Glenn <gl...@spiritone.com> typed:
>>> Randy � wrote:
>>>> I and my Father are one...
>>>
>>> A husband and wife are one.
>>> A husband and wife are not two persona of a single being.
>>>
>>> A husband and wife are "of one mind," having a common purpose, in
>>> agreement, with the wife in subjection to her husband.
>>
>> But Jesus did not say that. He said, "I and my Father are one. Then the
>> Jews took up stones again to stone him." (John 10:30-31 KJV)
>
> Start with verse 10:24 and you will see that Jesus was answering the
> question if he was the Christ.
>
> --Wax
>
>
...and He answered that question several times, NONE of which include a
description or definition of Himself being a person of a triune being.
There is no triune god.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
I am - but you are not. I asked you some questions - you have not
answered them yet.
What do you believe in? Or do you have no plan of your life?
Fred Thomas
>>> >>>> You can read my story if you have enough time:
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>> YOU asked for proof. My testimony is all I can give you. If you do
>>>>> not believe it, it is your business.
>>>>>
>>>> Your story is no more than the normal person going though life.
>>> If you say so.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now what about you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about me?
>>>>> Why are you here?
>>>> Discussion.
>>> Nah - you are not interested in the Christian faith. You are here for
>>> trolling and causing some trouble to the Christians, right?
>>>
>> Discussion, are you up to it or are you so insecure that you get
>> defensive?
>>
Again, your insecurity shows, your not really up to a discussion. You only feel
comfortable with those that A) either follow along with what ever you say ( yes
people )or B) only those that follow your particular thinking. Very shallow of you.
>>>>> What do you believe? Are you a Christian? Born again?
>>>>> Have you given your life to Jesus? Etc...
>>>>>
>>>> What does it matter?
>>> Discussion.
>>>
>> Then be open to discussion.
>
> I am - but you are not. I asked you some questions - you have not
> answered them yet.
>
And the same for you as noted above.
> What do you believe in? Or do you have no plan of your life?
>
You would have to be stupid to NOT be able to tell that I do not hold the same
beliefs as you. Yes, I have set "plans" for my life.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Fine for you.
I guess there is no further basis for a discussion. You say my life is
not real, and I pity you for the vanity of your life. I do not want to
have this end in calling names or something like that. Come back when
you really have questions that are related to the groups you are posting
to.
Fred Thomas
You have a very basic reading comprehension problem. Where did I say your life
is not real, or even hint at it? No where. You do not have pity, you have an ego
problem, your pious. You have just proven the point of another poster.
When you can not answer in an intelligent way.....
You attack the other person.
You change the subject.
Or run away crying foul.
The Doctor
Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Randy � wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
>> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
>> Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
>> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
>>> that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
>>> they may be one as we are one "
>>>
>>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>>
>>
>> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
>> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
>> Him.
>
>
>
>I still amazes how theists will deliberately and knowingly LIE about
>their BELIEFS.
>
>Ane the christ myth is a belief - and cannot be established as truth or fact
Then Crucifixion is not history acc your statement.
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Fred Thomas
> In article <4a34e940$0$5917$607e...@cv.net>,
> Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Randy � wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:47:32 +1000,
>>> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
>>> Article <4a341e72$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
>>> "I" <Iam@home0000252> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I and my Father are one.
>>>> --
>>>> John 17:21 - 22 "....that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in
>>>> me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe
>>>> that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that
>>>> they may be one as we are one "
>>>>
>>>> Obviously we are ALL God!!!!
>>>
>>> No, Jesus didn't say we were "one with the Father". He prayed
>>> that those He saved would all be "one" with each other, in
>>> Him.
>>
>> How would YOU know that one - were you actually there?
>>
>> I still amazes how theists will deliberately and knowingly LIE about
>> their BELIEFS.
>>
>> Ane the christ myth is a belief - and cannot be established as truth or fact
>
> Then Crucifixion is not history acc your statement.
Ah, my friend, crucifixion is part of history, there is plenty of PHYSICAL
evidence to back it up. Real parts of history and reality can be added to
fiction, you can not be that ignorant to not understand that.