Jesus, Messiah, not a deity.
Snow
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
As I speak on various topics on the Usenet, several “Christians”
follow post with the same claims, that the man they call “Jesus” was a
deity and that I’m evil for thinking rationally about the scriptures
and the things taught by the Good News accounts of scriptures.
In order to maintain false dogma, TRINITY Christianity relies on
mistranslation, man made tradition and removing the name of the
Almighty from scriptures. It is not Jewish tradition to remove the
name of YAHWEH from scriptures. Jewish tradition is simply that they
do not vocalize the sacred name but they do not remove it from
scriptures.
Christians use many traps to say otherwise for example, the “Jewish
Publication Society” version of scripture, which is really just a
Christian translation of scriptures where they replace the name of
YAHWEH with “Adonia” instead of “Lord”.
Christians rely on very few passages to say that “Jesus” is the
Almighty creator and I thought I would touch on just a few.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Master and my
Mighty One.
Thomas claiming that Yehoshua was his “God” is not significant since
“Elohim” is a title that is given to Moses, Abraham, judges and
rulers. Exodus 7:1 demonstrates Moses was “a god” to Pharaoh and I
don’t see Christians lining up to worship him.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and ALL of you are children of
the most High.
Christian must ignore the fact that ALL are children of the most high
so that they can run around calling everybody else the devils child.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The next is the claim that every time Yehoshua says, “I AM” his is
claiming to be the Almighty rather then his servant which goes against
all the verses that say YAHWEH put his spirit on the man.
Mat 12:18 Behold MY SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
show judgment to the Gentiles.
This does not say he is mankind’s servant or servant to the apostles
but that the Almighty in heaven servant. Christians must deny this
verse and claim that he is the spirit “incarnated” from birth rather
than a servant and man who YAHWEH put his spirit upon.
To address “I Am” as a claim to be Almighty, a person must recognize
that the name of YAHWEH is removed from their scriptures and that the
name is not listed in Exodus 3:14 but rather it is removed from verse
15 and hidden from Christian eyes.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to ALL
GENERATIONS.’
His remembrance for ALL GENRATIONS is not Jesus, it’s not LORD, it is
YAHWEH. The name is recorded over 6,800 times in Hebrew scriptures
and removed completely from the New Testament. To say, “I Am” is a
claim to being the Almighty, we might as well worship Peter who says
in Acts:
Act 10:21 Then Kepha went down to the men which were sent unto him
from Cornelius; and said, Behold I AM he whom ye seek: what is the
cause wherefore ye are come?
Clearly saying, “I AM”, is not a call to say he is the Almighty that
we seek but Christians must ignore this fact. They must also ignore
the fact that scriptures clearly teach Yehoshua was a MAN who was
raised by YAHWEH.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, A
MAN approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
And:
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
It does not say he raised himself from the dead. To say otherwise is
to fail to acknowledge that he did in fact die which the Trinity
doctrine does. So many passages in the New Testament MUST be ignored
by Trinity Christians to support the lie that says we must worship
“Jesus” and they will refuse to actually address these many passages
and then go on to babble dogma such as:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
What they fail to take into account is that “the word” is not the
speaker of the word which is YAHWEH.
Gen 1:3 And Elohim SAID, “Let light come to be,” and light came to be.
Being the “word” is not an indication that Yehoshua was the speaker of
those words but rather created by the speaker as Hebrew scriptures
says YAHWEH creates all things.
Isa 45:11 Thus said YAHWEH, the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl, and his
Maker, “Do you ask Me about My sons what is to come? And about the
work of My hands do you command Me?
Isa 45:12 “I have made the earth, and created man on it. I, My hands
have stretched out the heavens, and ALL their host I have commanded.
When called to worship Satan, Jesus did not say, “Worship me”, he said
to worship YAHWEH and Christians again remove this name from
scriptures:
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship YAHWEH your Elohim, and Him alone you
shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
We can see the Hebrew text quoted speaks only of YAHWEH. Christians
must run circles around the greatest command in scriptures:
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
It does NOT say, Jesus is our God. YAHWEH is Elohim of Elohim, a
title that can’t be ascribed to the Messiah no matter how much they
bend and twist his words.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master
of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
nor takes a bribe.
So, even if Yehoshua is “God”, YAHWEH is the “GOD OF GODS” even by
their translation. We are told to pray to our Father in heaven, while
Yehoshua was on earth, he states that power and authority is given to
him and that of his own, he could do nothing but the most convincing
evidence of purposeful mistranslation are the following passage:
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:44 Then Yehoshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Many more can be given but Christians do not desire the truth, they
desire to be right in following man made tradition. Merry season of
the Yule, X-Mass
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Snow
> Snow, while I agree with much you have posted here, particularly re: the
> frailty of taking each of Yeshua's "I am" (ego eimi) statements as
> assertions of his deity, I think you need to deal with 2 things.
>
> First, despite the clear apostolic teaching that YHWH raised Yeshua from the
> dead, you must assign SOME meaning to Jn. 2:19, 20:
>
> "19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in
> three days."
> 20The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and
> you are going to raise it in three days?" 21But the temple he had spoken of
> was his body. 22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled
> what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus
> had spoken." (NIV).
I would first off point out, Yehoshua had knowledge of what would
happen before it happened. This is very related to Luke's recording of
what Peter stated:.
(Scriptures +1998)
Act 2:22 “Men of Yisra’ĕl, hear these words: יהושע [Yehoshua] of
Natsareth, a Man from Elohim, having been pointed out to you by mighty
works, and wonders, and signs which Elohim did through Him in your
midst, as you yourselves also know,
Act 2:23 this One, given up by the set purpose and foreknowledge of
Elohim, you have impaled and put to death through the hands of lawless
men –
Act 2:24 “Him Elohim raised up, having loosed the pangs of death,
because it was impossible that He could be held in its grip.
That authority was GIVEN to Messiah, I have never doubted for even a
moment for we all have this same power IF we recognize the teaching of
the Torah:
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today
against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and
the curse. Therefore you shall CHOOSE LIFE, so that you live, both you
and your seed,
Deu 30:20 to love יהוה [YAHWEH] your Elohim, to obey His voice, and to
cling to Him – for He is your life and the length of your days – to
dwell in the land which יהוה [YAHWEH] swore to your fathers, to
Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Yaʽaqoḇ, to give them.”
We have the CHOICE, life and death and we are called to CHOOSE LIFE as
Moses stated. Yehoshua is simply demonstrating his knowledge and
belief of Torah, that YAHWEH is ELOHIM of the LIVING!
Mar 12:24 And יהושע [Yehoshua] answering, said to them, “Is this not
why you go astray, because you do not know the Scriptures1 nor the
power of Elohim? Footnote: 1Mt. 22:29.
Mar 12:25 “For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor
are given in marriage, but are as messengers in the heavens.
Mar 12:26 “And concerning the dead, that they rise – have you not read
in the book of Mosheh, at the bush, how Elohim spoke to him, saying,
‘I am the Elohim of Aḇraham, and the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the
Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ’?
Mar 12:27 “He is not the Elohim of the dead, but Elohim of the living.
You, then, go greatly astray.”
We my friend are simply informing the dead that they have a choice if
they will believe the witness of the "light of the gentiles".
> Secondly, Psalm 82:6: "I have said, Ye are elohim; and ALL of you are
> children of
> the most High", quoted by Yeshua in Jn. 10:34. The reference here seems to
> be to Israelite judicial magistrates. Similarly, Moses' acting as "Elohim"
> before Pharoah referred to Moses' high degree of authority as YHWH's
> spokesman; the one to him YHWH spoke panayim v/panayim.
>
> Do you think that we are ALL "Elohim" in some sense by being in YHWH's
> tzelem? Or do I have you wrong on this?
Mat 19:26 And looking intently יהושע [Yehoshua] said to them, “With
men this is impossible, but with Elohim all is possible.”
I would say that ALL have the potential but recognizing this potential
of the spoken words is something lost on many of our brothers and
don't get me wrong... It is my understanding that all people, no
matter how much they hate me or spit on my understanding... all are
created in the tzelem of Elohim and we should do our utmost to treat
them as our Master Yehoshua would, with love, compassion and respect..
Yes, even Linda who hates and despises everything that I represent
deserves to be treated with compassion and we both see how she test
me... but I believe this is purposed to make me the stronger person I
have become. That which does not destroy me, only makes me stronger
in the teachings when I keep true to them.
Linda gives me ample opportunity to, "practice what I preach" says the
Cohen.
> Interesting post; should see some sparks soon!
It is a shame to be honest because it is not my desire to "attack"
Christian beliefs. I have worked very hard to speak on many other
subjects but... "No matter what I do, they keep dragging me back
in.." I would just assume to "leave them alone" with their rituals
and beliefs but I find it impossible to continue discussions on other
topics as long as certain people keep changing the topics to this one
topic... the "incarnated deity of Jesus".
It's not that I care what they say about me and maybe you have noticed
that I tend to shrug off the ignorance of my brothers but ... I talk
about war in Iraq, abortion or suicide and the topic always get tossed
back into my face.
Of the false council of Lucifer the scriptures says:
Isa 14:26 “This is the counsel that is counselled for all the earth,
and this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.
Isa 14:27 “For Yahweh of hosts has counselled, and who annuls it? And
His hand that is stretched out, who turns it back?”
Have you ever taken the time to ask, “Why would Yahweh purpose upon
all the earth, false council that sets the nations in opposition?
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
of Strife and not really love of YHWH.
Mat 12:7 “And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion
and not offering,’ you would not have condemned the blameless.
Hos 6:6 “For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering, and in the
knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
The wheels of opposition are placed into the very workings of the
scriptures because it has motivated us to search out every word
written because we desire to prove ourselves and our understanding. I
have come to understand that “Day Star” fallen from heaven is Apostle
Paul and that he is in fact a “chosen vessel” just as Christians
believe but not for the reason that they should understand outright.
Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
creating evil. I, Yahweh, do all these.’
Joh 3:19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the
world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their
works were wicked. 20 “For everyone who is practicing evil matters
hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should
be exposed. 21 “But the one doing the truth comes to the light, so
that his works are clearly seen, that they have been wrought in
Elohim.”
The uniformity and purpose of all scriptures is a motivation for us to
learn. Apostle Paul came to destroy and to place men in strife, to
make prisoners and those who love him love the darkness of a self
righteous doctrine. Always, Yahweh has tested his people and refined
us in the fire of the furnace.
Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
Deu 4:20 “But Yahweh has taken you and brought you out of the iron
furnace, out of Mitsrayim, to be His people, an inheritance, as it is
today.
Luke was trying to tell his readers something that nobody catches on
to.
Act 23:6 Now Sha’ul, perceiving that one part were Sadducees and the
other Pharisees, cried out in the council, “Men, brothers, I am a
Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee, I am being judged concerning the
expectation and resurrection of the dead!”
He was on trial for speaking against the Torah but more interesting is
the fact that he was and is wrong about the resurrection and this is
something that nobody reconciles.
Rom 14:9 For unto this Messiah died and rose and lived again, to rule
over both the dead and the living.
Wrong:
Mar 12:27 “He is not the Elohim of the dead, but Elohim of the living.
You, then, go greatly astray.”
If we consider the motivation of this passage, “perceiving that one
part were Sadducees”, Paul was speaking on the topic that created the
most strife between the two factions and the fruit of his
pronouncement:
Act 23:7 And when he had said this, there came a dissension between
the Pharisees and the Sadducees. And the crowd was divided.
Looking at the modern Church, we see that even unto this very date,
they are divided into dozens of major denominations. Paul’s doctrine
is and has been since the beginning to divide the church of our
Messiah. It’s worked very effectively for over 1700 years now since
his doctrine was included in the Roman canon.
Mar 3:25 “And if a house is divided against itself, that house is
unable to stand.
Paul knew all too well that the best way to destroy the church that he
hated so much wasn’t to make more martyr’s, which he tried to start
with when he murdered Stephen by his false witness. He figured out
that if he faked a conversion and joined the ranks, he would be the
Trojan horse.
“Trojan Horse”. A name removed from many versions of scriptures
including the King James is:
Act 20:4 And he was accompanied by Sopater of Beroia + the son of
Pyrrhus
Act 20:5 And these, going ahead, waited for us at Troy *1.
To understand this name Pyrrhus, we would have to know the story of
The Trojan Horse but let’s examine just a few verses of Luke, who was
probably one of the cleverest in his use of word devices.
Purrhus was the name of a warrior inside the Trojan horse that was
brought into Troy!
Act 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into
Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
Act 16:8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troy.
The history of the Trojan horse reads:
“Finding Troy proved difficult, however, and the Greek fleet at first
landed in Mysia. A prophet, Helenus told the Greeks that Troy would
not fall unless: Pyrrhus, Achilles' son, fought in the war”
http://www.stanford.edu/~plomio/history.html
Lydia, the seller of Purple in Acts 16:
“A legend related by Herodotus, who states that, the name Lydia came
from king Lydus at the time of the fall of Troy”
Odyssey 10-12: Odysseus and crew leave Troy and sail back to Achaea.
Act 19:21 After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit,
when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem,
saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome.
To this date, men argue over the words of Paul, the majority say that
he was inspired to do away with the Torah. Some of my more faithful
brothers say that he was for the Torah. My brother in Messiah tells
me, “There is no need to tackle the many problems with the letters of
Paul; just ACKNOWLEDGE that they too have been corrupted, twisted
and mystified by the Jewish Scribes and the Christian Translators”
They are looking for a translation of scriptures that doesn’t exist.
The reality of today is that Paul speaks out of both sides of his
mouth so that the end result is strife. He saw our division and by
cleaver wording, speaks against and for the Torah in the same
chapters. Those who look for the doctrine to support the doctrine
find it:
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
Those who look for evidence the law is abolished find it:
1Co 6:12 All is permitted me, but not all do profit. All is permitted
me, but I shall not be under authority of any.
Certainly if all things are permitted to us, then the law is abolished
and so, we end up in never ending arguments over whether or not Paul
is for or against the Torah. My brother went on to say, “Repair and
Restore! Weigh all testimony in the Torah. If the testimony speaks
not according to the Torah, throw it out!” Yet, in that very post
they called the works of Paul, “the Torah”.
But the key to understanding all of this division is the fact that
Yahweh himself has purposed Paul upon the churches of the world to
test each and every one of us. Our brothers do not desire to see this
strife and instead have chosen to become a part of it. I should be
clear, I am not against Apostle Paul, I understand what he teaches us.
Isa 45:9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker! (a potsherd with the
potsherds of the earth). Does clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are
you making?’ Or your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’?
Isa 45:10 “Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you bringing
forth?’ Or to the woman, ‘What are you labouring over?’ ”
Why we are to “love our enemy” is that in the end, our enemy is our
greatest motivator. Yet, in the end we find that we have no need to
“wrestle evil spirits” because the deepest truth to learn is that
there is only EL,
Isa 45:15 Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of Yisra’ĕl,
Saviour!
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Luk 9:5 “And as for those who do not receive you, when you go out of
that city, shake off the dust from your feet as a witness against
them.” 6 And going out they went through the villages, bringing the
Good News and healing everywhere.
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
Tony Robbins
Some people hate and expect affection
Some people lie and demand the truth
I gotta ask myself if it's soul deception
Is this the natural thing that we all just do
We take such pleasure from pain,
I'm just tired of playing that game
Some things you've got to change
Chorus:
You've got to stand and deliver, with your body and soul
Stand and deliver, just give me something to hold
Stand and deliver, if the truth can be told
We can make it together, if we stand - stand and deliver
Nyarlat Hotep
> Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
No. There is no such thing as a deity, so there is no such thing as an
incarnated deity. Jesus is fake and there is no messiah. I hope this
helps! For further information about how stupid belief in the Bible is,
visit www.jesusneverexisted.com. Curse we now the holy ghost!
Spanking baby Jesus and making him cry,
Nyarlet Hotep
Priest of Cthulhu
Snow
wrote:
> Snow wrote:
> > Is the Messiah a “Incarnated” deity?
>
> No. There is no such thing as a deity, so there is no such thing as an
> incarnated deity. Jesus is fake and there is no messiah. I hope this
> helps! For further information about how stupid belief in the Bible is,
>
> Spanking baby Jesus and making him cry,
>
> Nyarlet Hotep
> Priest of Cthulhu
You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree about the man
Yehoshua. Have a great day anyways.
®
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 8:46 am, Nyarlat Hotep<cthulhupht...@arkham.hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > Snow wrote:
>>> > > Is the Messiah a �Incarnated� deity?
>> >
>> > No. There is no such thing as a deity, so there is no such thing as an
>> > incarnated deity. Jesus is fake and there is no messiah. I hope this
>> > helps! For further information about how stupid belief in the Bible is,
>> > visitwww.jesusneverexisted.com. Curse we now the holy ghost!
>> >
>> > Spanking baby Jesus and making him cry,
>> >
>> > Nyarlet Hotep
>> > Priest of Cthulhu
> You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree about the man
> Yehoshua. Have a great day anyways.
Jesus is JHVH. He and the Father are "one" God. That's why the
Jews tried to stone Him to death, because they understood He was
claiming to be God, and they only believe in one God, which is
YHWH/JHVH.
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gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
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1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
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Snow
> >> > Nyarlet Hotep
> >> > Priest of Cthulhu
> > You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree about the man
> > Yehoshua. Have a great day anyways.
>
> Jesus is JHVH. He and the Father are "one" God. That's why the
> Jews tried to stone Him to death, because they understood He was
> claiming to be God, and they only believe in one God, which is
> YHWH/JHVH.
Joh 8:57 The Yehuḏim, therefore, said to Him, “You are not yet fifty
years old, and have You seen Aḇraham?”
Joh 8:58 יהושע said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Aḇraham came to be, I am.”1 Footnote: 1See also 1:1, 6:62, 17:5.
Joh 8:59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but יהושע
was hidden and went out of the Set-apart Place, going through the
midst of them, and so passed by.
What Christians don't pay attention to is that Son is not the Father:
Joh 17:5 “And now, esteem Me with Yourself, Father, with the esteem
which I had WITH You before the world was.
That the Son is pre-existant, John makes it clear that he was WITH the
Father but not the Father.
Joh 6:62 “What if you see the Son of Aḏam going up where He was
before?
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.1
Footnote: 1See v. 68, and 1 Cor. 15:45. Word and Spirit are in unity.
I have to wonder why Christians don't believe their own scriptures....
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
He made no claim to be a deity when that sought to stone him. That
sought to stone him because they believed incorrectly that he bore
false witness of his age. Prophets are under special requirements
because of Duet. 13:
Deu 13:5 “And that prophet or that dreamer of dreams is put to death,
because he has spoken apostasy against יהוה your Elohim – who brought
you out of the land of Mitsrayim and redeemed you from the house of
bondage – to make you stray from the way in which יהוה your Elohim
commanded you to walk. Thus you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Rod
You should probably drop the necronomican act. The faceless one is
also a fake...
I
> Jesus is JHVH. He and the Father are "one" God.
BLASPHEMY!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are one [hen]." Doesn't this
show that they are one in essence?
Answer: This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What
John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer
concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one
[hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement
with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as
stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]"
(John 8:29).
There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are
to be considered as of one essence
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Furthermore the Messiah is anointed BY God - NOT God himself!
God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
Act 2:36 - " Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that GOD
[YAHWEH] has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you
crucified."
1 Corinthians 11:3 - The HEAD of Christ is GOD.
1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is ONE GOD God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND
MEN, the MAN Christ Jesus.
--
MY BLOG - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
MY SOUNDCLICK PAGE- download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
Snow
> Randy Young "®" <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jesus is JHVH. He and the Father are "one" God.
>
> BLASPHEMY!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are one [hen]." Doesn't this
> show that they are one in essence?
>
> Answer: This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What
> John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer
> concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one
> [hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement
> with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as
> stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]"
> (John 8:29).
>
> There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are
> to be considered as of one essence
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Furthermore the Messiah is anointed BY God - NOT God himself!
>
> God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
>
> Act 2:36 - " Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that GOD
> [YAHWEH] has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you
> crucified."
>
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 - The HEAD of Christ is GOD.
>
> 1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is ONE GOD God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND
> MEN, the MAN Christ Jesus.
>
> --
>
> MY SOUNDCLICK PAGE- download my original songs in mp3 formathttp://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
You know Mark.. I never thought I would see you as a voice of
reason... the world if changing...
I had no time to hate, because
The grave would hinder me,
And life was not so ample I
Could finish enmity.
Nor had I time to love; but since
Some industry must be,
The little toil of love, I thought,
Was large enough for me.
by Emily Dickinson
I
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> In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are one [hen]." Doesn't this
> show that they are one in essence?
>
> Answer: This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity.
> What
> John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer
> concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one
> [hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement
> with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as
> stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]"
> (John 8:29).
>
> There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles
> are
> to be considered as of one essence
>
> fromhttp://www.jewsforjudaism.org/faq-primary-211/trinity-primary-374/152...
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Furthermore the Messiah is anointed BY God - NOT God himself!
>
> God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
>
> Act 2:36 - " Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that
> GOD
> [YAHWEH] has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you
> crucified."
>
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 - The HEAD of Christ is GOD.
>
> 1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is ONE GOD God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND
> MEN, the MAN Christ Jesus.
###############################################
> You know Mark.. I never thought I would see you as a voice of
> reason... the world if changing...
"All things are probable. Try to believe. Really! Try to believe even if
it's bloody stupid and irrational. Why? Because I said so, that's why!
Don't ask questions. Just believe." - Mark 17: 1- 3 (MTV)
Randy Young is UNABLE to refute the above items.
I have used the bible that Randy Young luvs in order to demonstrate that he
is utterly wrong.
Snow
I thought he used the (HBO) Bible???
®
I <I@backagain00000000010> wrote:
> Randy Young "�"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Jesus is JHVH. He and the Father are "one" God.
>
> BLASPHEMY!
...is the preface to your claims about Jesus, in denying He is
God and claiming He was a sinner:
(See: http://bit.ly/5Lc1jV or
<bICdnf16Scn3IIjW...@giganews.com>).
<4a81...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
(http://bit.ly/5gNQkG)
I
> your claims about Jesus
I note that you are UNABLE to refute the following. That is what happens
when you refuse to use your God-given mind as directed by Jesus in the
Greatest Commandment.
Jesus of Nazareth is NOT the Exclusive One God Yahweh.
Try addressing EACH and EVERY point.
I don't think you have the intelligence to do so.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
COMPARISON BETWEEN
THE ONE GOD YAHWEH
&
THE HUMAN JESUS OF NAZARETH
The infinite One God Yahweh is:
- everywhere (omnipresent):
- all knowing (omniscient)
- all powerful (omnipotent)
- Spirit
- eternal, self-existent
- invisible
- immutable (unchangeable)
- does not urinate, deficate or pass wind.
- does not get tired or sleep.
- does not die.
- sends but is not sent
- rules but is not ruled over
- commands but is not commanded
- anoints the human Messiah / Christ
BUT
The finite historic time / space human Jesus of Nazareth is:
- confined / restricted to his human body
- doesn't know when the end will come
- heals a man in stages with spittle and dust
- cannot do miracles because of people's unbelief.
- human flesh with a spirit.
- began as a fetus inside Mary
- totally visible from his birth till his death.
- changed in the normal physical and psychological stages of all humans /
aged.
- urinated, deficated and passed wind.
- got tired and slept
- died by Roman execution.
- was sent and did not send
- is ruled over
- is commanded
- is anointed by God
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." -
Exodus 20:1-6 (JPS Tanakh)
"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." -
Deuteronomy 5:6-7 (JPS Tanakh)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth did NOT bring the people of
Israel "out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage".
THEREFORE
Jesus is NOT the infinite One God Yahweh and "You will have no gods other
than me (the infinite One God Yahweh)".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Who is greater the ANOINTER or the ANOINTED?
The ANOINTER (the One God / Yahweh) is far greater than the ANOINTED:
1. CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1)
2. THE PATRIACHS (Psalm 105:15)
3. ISRAEL (Habakkuk 3:13, Psalm 28: 8; 84:10)
4. JESUS OF NAZARETH (Act 2:36)
IF "Messiah" means "God" then why aren't Cyrus, the Patriachs and Israel
considered to be the One God (Yahweh) alongside Jesus of Nazareth???????
-
"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JESUS baptised for the forgiveness of his SINS
DOES GOD SIN?????
- Mark 1:4 "John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, PREACHING A
BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."
- Matthew 3:6 "They were BAPTISED by him the river Jordan, CONFESSIING THEIR
SIN"
- Luke 3:3 " and he went into all the region about the Jordan, PREACHING A
BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN"
ANY sinner seeing Jesus of Nazareth being baptised by John the Baptist would
immeditely think that it was the SAME baptism that Johnthe Baptist had
always given - BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS" - the
phrase that is used repeatedly for John the Baptist's baptism.
ANY sinner seeing Jesus of Nazareth being baptised by John the Baptist would
also immeditely think that Jesus had repented of his sins for there was NO
OTHER REASON that John the Baptist baptised.
If John the Baptist HAD baptised Jesus differently then he would have stated
so and made sure to say that "Jesus is God! He doesn't need forgiveness. I
am about to baptise him for his ministry." INSTEAD JOHN THE BAPTIST IS NOT
SURE THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH IS "THE ONE" (MESSIAH / CHRIST)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read Matthew 11: 2-3 and Luke 7:19.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Matthew 11: 2-3
Now when John heard about the deeds of the Christ, he sent word by his
disciples and said to him,"ARE YOU HE WHO IS TO COME, OR SHALL WE LOOK FOR
ANOTHER?"
Luke 7: 19
And John, calling to him two of his disciples, sent them to the Lord,
saying, "ARE YOU HE WHO IS TO COME, OR SHALL WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The above two passages clearly demonstrate that John the Baptist didn't
think Jesus of Nazareth was the One God Yahweh and was uncertain whether he
was really the Messiah / Christ!!!!!
One should use one's God-given mind and integrate what is clearly stated by
John the Baptist in Matthew 11: 2-3 (written 85 CE) and Luke 7:19 (written
90
CE). I also note that the later John's Gospel (written 90 - 120 CE) omits
John the Baptist's questions as well as his baptism of Jesus as, by this
time,
it is an embarrassment to have Jesus as "god" being baptised for his sins
and then later being asked wherther he really is the Messiah or not by the
person who did the baptism!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 - He (JESUS) said to him, "Why do you ask ME
about the good ? There is ONLY ONE who is good, that is, GOD.
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34 (JESUS speaking) "MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast thou
forsaken me?
John 14:28 - My Father (YAHWEH) is GREATER than I (JESUS)
John 20:17 - "I [Jesus] am ascending to MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, MY GOD
AND YOUR GOD"
Act 2:36 - " Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that GOD
[YAHWEH] has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you
crucified."
1 Corinthians 11:3 - The HEAD of Christ is GOD.
1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is ONE GOD God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND
MEN, the MAN Christ Jesus.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John 5:31 - If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 1:18 - No man has seen god.
Since people saw Jesus of Nazareth - then Jesus of Nazareth CANNOT be God.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Numbers 23: 19 - God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man,
that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he
promise and not fulfill?
Mark 13: 32 - "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
If God and Jesus were the same person, how come the son does not know the
time, only the father does??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jesus himself is not the proper object of faith.
...
Jesus called on his followers to trust the Father, to believe in God's
domain or reign. The proper object of faith inspired by Jesus is to trust
what Jesus trusted. For that reasonm, I am not primarily interested in
affirmations about Jesus but in the truths that inspired and informed Jesus.
To call for faith in Jesus is to subsititute the agent for the reality, the
proclaimer for the proclaimed. ...
Jesus pointed to God's domain, something he did not create, something he
did not control. I want to discover what Jesus saw, or heard, or sensed that
was so enchanting, so mezmerizing, so challenging that it held Jesus in its
spell. And I do not want to bhe misled by what his followers did: instead of
looking to see what he saw, his devoted disciples tended to stare at the
pointing finger. Jesus himself should notbe, must not be, the object of
faith. That would be to repeat the idolatry of the first believers.
From Robert W. Funk "Honest To Jesus: Jesus for a New Millenium" (Hodder &
Stoughton: 1996) pp. 304-305
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Trinitarianism ... the belief that there are three to the essence of God, is
a belief accepted by all contemporary Christians. Judaism strongly
disagrees. It stands firm in maintaining that God is One - without
partners, self-sufficient, and indivisible. ... One is not Three and Three
is not One. ... Judaism has serious difficulties with a number of
trinitarian major premises:
- God is not human. Man is not God. The Christian doctrine of the
Incarnation ... goes against the fundamental Jewish belief that God is
incorporeal - that He has no body and cannot be affected by any of the
weaknesses of the flesh. To say that God died then died on the cross seems
incomprehensible. God cannot die - just as He does not "live" in human
form.
- To worship Jesus as God is to violate the commandment that "You shall have
no other gods before Me." ... "And the man Moses ..." (Numbers 12:3). God
was careful to delineate the difference between Himself and human beings.
Jews can't accept that a man or woman could possibly be God.
- Most disturbing of all to the Jewish idea of monotheism in the Trinity is
that Judaism recognises no intermediary between God and man. The first of
the Ten Commandments, "I am the LORD your God," is written with a Hebrew
word that implies a singular "your." God speaks to every person directly
and says, "I am accessible to you without any middle man." For the Jew,
this means that he has an open line to God Himself. Praying to the Son to
get to the Father goes against one of the major beliefs of Judaism, as later
codified by Maimonides: "To Him and to Him alone shall you pray directly."
A Jew belives that no-one else is supposed to talk for him, live for him -
and certainly not die for him.
from Rabbi Benjamin Blech "The Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding
Judaism" (Alpha:2003) pp. 9-10
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pre-Easter Jesus / Post-Easter Jesus
4 B.C.E. to 30 C.E. / 30 C.E. to present
Corporeal, human being of flesh and blood Spiritual / non-material
reality
Finite and mortal / Infinite, eternal
Human / Divine
A Jewish peasant / King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Figure of the past / Figure of the present
Jesus of Nazareth / Jesus Christ
Monotheistic Jew / Becomes the second person of the trinity, "God with a
human face"
Galilean Jew of the first century / "The Face of God" (metaphor based on
2 Cor. 4:6 Beholding the glory of God in the face of Christ)
The ONLY AUTHENTIC human time / space historic Jesus of Nazareth is the
Pre-Easter Jesus.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE CONFUSION OF LORDS
"Lord" = "YHWH" in the Old Testament
"Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
THEREFORE
YHWH = Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The confusion only works because of the substituted word ("Lord") for "YHWH"
in the Old Testament is the same word for "boss" in the New Testament.
--
Lord does not mean God.
Lord means master / boss.
1) property owners are called Lord (Matt. 20:8, kurios is "owner" - NIV)
2) heads of households were called Lord (Mk 13:35, owner=kurios).
3) slave owners were called Lord (Matt. 10:24, master=kurios).
4) husbands were called Lord (1 Pet. 3:6, master=kurios).
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30, sir=kurios).
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26, His Majesty=kurios).
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63, sir=kurios).
Snow
Isn't it amazing how many people go around quoting bibles and they
can't see what is essentially right in front of their eyes? It always
makes me think of Isaiah 29.
Isa 29:9 Pause and wonder! Blind yourselves and be blind! They are
drunk, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
Isa 29:10 For YAHWEH has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep,
and has closed your eyes, the prophets. And He has covered your heads,
the seers.
Isa 29:11 And the entire vision is to you like the words of a book
that is sealed, which men give to one who knows books, saying, “Read
this, please.” And he said, “I am unable, for it is sealed.”
Isa 29:12 And the book is given to one who does not know books,
saying, “Read this, please.” And he said, “I have not known books.”
Isa 29:13 And YAHWEH says, “Because this people has drawn near with
its mouth, and with its lips they have esteemed Me, and it has kept
its heart far from Me, and their fear of Me has become a command of
men that is taught1! Footnote: 1Mt. 15:8-9, Mk. 7:6-7.
Do they ever notice that in Matthew, when Yehoshua quotes this, he
adds, "In vain do they worship me".
jos boersema
On 2009-12-13, Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>Subject: Re: Jesus, Messiah, not a deity.
Excellent Snow, you're not an idolator then, you're good material
to be part of a true democratic nation who follow good laws. Very
good Snow, jesus-idolators should look up to you and use you as
an example.
--
http://www.jhwh.be
Snow
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.messianic.]
>
> >Subject: Re: Jesus, Messiah, not a deity.
>
> Excellent Snow, you're not an idolator then, you're good material
> to be part of a true democratic nation who follow good laws. Very
> good Snow, jesus-idolators should look up to you and use you as
> an example.
> --http://www.jhwh.be
While I appreciate your comments, I disagree with democracy. The
people need leadership and that comes from a Republic. Democracy is
mob rule and mob's are fickle and lack accountability. If the United
States actually followed it's own constitution, it would be a much
better nation and the first step would be to abolish the central
banks.
We don't need foxes running the hen house but those are just my
thoughts. I am honored that you consider my posting, "good
material". I enjoy reviewing your ideas at your site but think a more
orderly approach is needed. I do not subscribe to "order out of
chaos". Centralized control is always bad because the center always
breaks from the weight outside. I would say, we need a million
regional America's.
®
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> Do they ever notice that in Matthew, when Yehoshua quotes this, he
> adds, "In vain do they worship me".
...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Thus, the problem wasn't in worshiping Him, but in worshiping the
ideas of man rather than what God taught them in Scripture, as
you do.
John 10:30-33 NIV
(30) I and the Father are one."
(31) Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
(32) but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great
miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
(33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the
Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
jos boersema
> On Dec 14, 10:00�pm, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.messianic.]
>> On 2009-12-13, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> >Subject: Re: Jesus, Messiah, not a deity.
>>
>> Excellent Snow, you're not an idolator then, you're good material
>> to be part of a true democratic nation who follow good laws. Very
>> good Snow, jesus-idolators should look up to you and use you as
>> an example.
>> --http://www.jhwh.be
>
> While I appreciate your comments, I disagree with democracy.
Excellent, another show of skill that would be well at home in
a democratic nation ! Go on Snow (i mean debating-skill, not
starting to throw insults at the first opportunity.)
Snow, while we may disagree on certain topics, we agree that a
'messiah' is not a Deity and never was, never was considdered such,
never should be either. I appreciate your civil debating skills.
Maybe i can learn something from that, too.
> The
> people need leadership and that comes from a Republic. Democracy is
> mob rule and mob's are fickle and lack accountability.
Oh I see, I'm glad you're not a Monarchist. Being a Monarchist is
against the Torah also.
> If the United
> States actually followed it's own constitution, it would be a much
> better nation and the first step would be to abolish the central
> banks.
Indeed !
> We don't need foxes running the hen house but those are just my
> thoughts. I am honored that you consider my posting, "good
> material". I enjoy reviewing your ideas at your site but think a more
> orderly approach is needed. I do not subscribe to "order out of
> chaos". Centralized control is always bad because the center always
> breaks from the weight outside. I would say, we need a million
> regional America's.
Your point about democracy/republic, please be adviced that you're using
highly unusual USA jargon, in the rest of the world 'democracy' does not
/mean/ mob-rule, the term for mob-rule is 'anarchy,' or indeed 'mob rule.'
In much of the world, certainly in Holland 'Republic' is usually used to
denote a chosen head-of-state. Note how the words are constructed:
Res Publica, public case. Demos Cratia, people power. What you call a
Republic in the USA, we call it a Republic *and* a democracy (although
it is only an /attempt/ at democracy, it is so corrupt that it is not
actually a democracy in substance.)
I note that you may have viewed my website, but clearly you haven't
fully understood it all (who could ? it is rather big.)
I am 100% for a purely orderly approach, that is why I prefer to go the
route through political party-formation, win the votes, then change the
system through its own procedures. That however is not always possible,
because how do you win the vote in a nation where there are no votes ?
How can the people get what they want by party-formation, winning enough
seats in parliament and then orderly changing things in say Dubai ?
It's not a democracy/republic, it's a dictatorship.
If you read my site, you'll note that the kind of revolution that may be
necessary where there is no voting sytem at all, or where it is
completely deteriorated to become inoperable (which may be the case in
the USA, time will tell I suppose): it is a kind of revolution that is
almost more orderly then regular life in the nation. No laws are
suspended (except a possible banning on forming groups in public).
It is to happen like so:
http://www.jhwh.be/~joshb/sheet3.txt
http://www.jhwh.be/~joshb/sheet2.txt
http://www.jhwh.be/~joshb/sheet1.txt
You are also righ that the USA empire must be broken up into many
nations, a million would be too much but I'd choose for somewhere
between 10 and 20. I believe that the native nations should put the
non-natives into European style/sized nations, leaving them the most of
the land. 'Americans' don't need more land then Europeans, Americans
have misbehaved very extremely, and last but not least: the Americans
can benefit tremendously from these native nations right next to them.
Everything the Americans do wrong, even worst of all white nations,
the indians do it right. As if by magic, the worst and the best are put
right next to each other. What a tremendous luck for the Americans to
live so close to the (loyal) inhabitands of Turtle Island !!! They will
be able to fix the new borders for you, saves everyone a ton of trouble
especially the Americans themselves.
*
BTW, of course I don't agree with the NT, I think it is an extremely
substandard work and does not belong to the Tanach. But the fact that
you don't do jesus-idolatry, that's very good, more jesus-followers
should do that, imho. To show sympathy for non-criminal opponents of the
Roman empire, doesn't immediately need to make them 'god(s).'
Please study my site a bit more if you like, maybe we can get to do it.
It's always a plus if some people know more about it when we're going to
do it (hopefully soon).
--
http://www.socialism.nl
Snow
> Your point about democracy/republic, please be adviced that you're using
> highly unusual USA jargon, in the rest of the world 'democracy' does not
> /mean/ mob-rule, the term for mob-rule is 'anarchy,' or indeed 'mob rule.'
> In much of the world, certainly in Holland 'Republic' is usually used to
> denote a chosen head-of-state. Note how the words are constructed:
> Res Publica, public case. Demos Cratia, people power. What you call a
> Republic in the USA, we call it a Republic *and* a democracy (although
> it is only an /attempt/ at democracy, it is so corrupt that it is not
> actually a democracy in substance.)
Allow me to explain Democracy in another way then. Democracy means
that the majority of people make choices that govern the nation(s).
51 percent of the people make up the majority and rule over any class
of people that dissent from the majority point of view. In real
world, consider the majority of people that post on these ng's the
majority, would you want all these "jesus-idolators" having the power
to make and enforce the laws that govern your life?
How about if this "Christian" democracy determines that it is illegal
to say Jesus is not a deity and you must go to church on Sunday at
punishment of death... pure democracy is like that. For this reason,
I say democracy is "mob rule" because the minority is never
represented. A Constitutional Republic on the other hand establishes
rules that can and do empower even minority interest. It is because
the United States is a Republic that George Bush won the election in
2000, even though he had a minority of the popular vote.
Linda Lee
> On Dec 14, 8:27 am, "John Gardner" <gardner1...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Snow, while I agree with much you have posted here, particularly re: the
> > frailty of taking each of Yeshua's "I am" (ego eimi) statements as
> > assertions of his deity, I think you need to deal with 2 things.
Snowjob isn't going to "deal with" things he purposely ignores, are
you Snowjob?
>
> > First, despite the clear apostolic teaching that YHWH raised Yeshua from the
> > dead, you must assign SOME meaning to Jn. 2:19, 20:
>
> > "19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in
> > three days."
> > 20The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and
> > you are going to raise it in three days?" 21But the temple he had spoken of
> > was his body. 22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled
> > what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus
> > had spoken." (NIV).
>
> I would first off point out, Yehoshua had knowledge of what would
> happen before it happened. This is very related to Luke's recording of
> what Peter stated:.
You're deliberately missing the point, which is the Messiah said he
would __raise his own body__ in John 2:19-21:
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and
in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in
building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
> Yes, even Linda who hates and despises everything that I represent
> deserves to be treated with compassion
You have learned about Paul from me (although you're way off base to
claim he is the "Lucifer" in Isaiah), then turned on me and even stole
material from me; you have NEVER treated me with "compassion" or
respect, so why are you lyingly implying that you have? And why did
you bring me up anyway again? Oh that's right, because are attempting
to justify and elevate yourself, and you're a hypocritical compulsive
liar.
> and we both see how she test
> me... but I believe this is purposed to make me the stronger person I
> have become. That which does not destroy me, only makes me stronger
> in the teachings when I keep true to them.
> Linda gives me ample opportunity to, "practice what I preach" says the
> Cohen.
Yet you do not practice what you preach; you practice hypocrisy just
like you've always done, chastising others to good behavior while you
attack and call people whores and murderers and their bible toilet
paper. As usual, you are just putting on a show. You do not have a
cohen/priest; you are self-taught, which is the reason for your
incredibly endless mistakes, and thought it would be suitable for
impressing those who are actually messianics.
>
> (Scriptures +1998)
> Act 2:22 “Men of Yisra’ĕl, hear these words: יהושע [Yehoshua] of
> Natsareth, a Man from Elohim, having been pointed out to you by mighty
> works, and wonders, and signs which Elohim did through Him in your
> midst, as you yourselves also know,
> Act 2:23 this One, given up by the set purpose and foreknowledge of
> Elohim, you have impaled and put to death through the hands of lawless
> men –
> Act 2:24 “Him Elohim raised up, having loosed the pangs of death,
> because it was impossible that He could be held in its grip.
>
> That authority was GIVEN to Messiah, I have never doubted for even a
> moment for we all have this same power IF we recognize the teaching of
> the Torah:
LOL. I'd like to see you attempt to raise yourself from the dead.
You're as spiritually blind and confused as they come.
You lie:
"Christianity isn’t worth the toilet paper they print bibles on" -
Snowjob - from http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/f664cfd9aefb9de3
> I have worked very hard to speak on many other
> subjects but... "No matter what I do, they keep dragging me back
> in.." I would just assume to "leave them alone" with their rituals
> and beliefs but I find it impossible to continue discussions on other
> topics as long as certain people keep changing the topics to this one
> topic... the "incarnated deity of Jesus".
You're in a Christian newsgroup and are ignorantly complaining the
topic is the incarnated deity of the Messiah.
>
> It's not that I care what they say about me and maybe you have noticed
> that I tend to shrug off the ignorance of my brothers but ... I talk
> about war in Iraq, abortion or suicide and the topic always get tossed
> back into my face.
>
> Of the false council of Lucifer the scriptures says:
Which you claim to be Paul. Actually, the false council of Lucifer/
Satan is your council that God purposes false council in the Earth.
>
> Isa 14:26 “This is the counsel that is counselled for all the earth,
> and this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.
> Isa 14:27 “For Yahweh of hosts has counselled, and who annuls it? And
> His hand that is stretched out, who turns it back?”
>
> Have you ever taken the time to ask, “Why would Yahweh purpose upon
> all the earth, false council that sets the nations in opposition?
The Scriptures here DO NOT SAY GOD PURPOSES "FALSE COUNCIL"; THAT IS
ONLY _YOUR_ LIE.
And I have explained to you before you are making a false statement on
this, so don't pretend you do not know. What God has counselled is
that he will destroy the Assyrians who have invaded His land - THERE
IS NOTHING THERE ABOUT GOD 'PURPOSING FALSE COUNCIL', LIAR:
Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have
thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it
stand:
Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my
mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off
them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth:
and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul
it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
>
> Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
> you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
> persecuting you,
>
> I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
> tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
> of Strife and not really love of YHWH.
IS THAT WHY YOU POST LIES ABOUT WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY SAY, FOR
STRIFE? YES.
Snowjob says to Rod, "You will find it is a common tactic to accuse
other people of the very thing you are guilty of... Excellent
thoughts." -
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/0adfc17f981beec2
>
> Looking at the modern Church, we see that even unto this very date,
> they are divided into dozens of major denominations. Paul’s doctrine
> is and has been since the beginning to divide the church of our
> Messiah. It’s worked very effectively for over 1700 years now since
> his doctrine was included in the Roman canon.
>
> Mar 3:25 “And if a house is divided against itself, that house is
> unable to stand.
>
> Paul knew all too well that the best way to destroy the church that he
> hated so much wasn’t to make more martyr’s, which he tried to start
> with when he murdered Stephen by his false witness. He figured out
> that if he faked a conversion and joined the ranks, he would be the
> Trojan horse.
>
> “Trojan Horse”. A name removed from many versions of scriptures
> including the King James is:
>
> Act 20:4 And he was accompanied by Sopater of Beroia + the son of
> Pyrrhus
> Act 20:5 And these, going ahead, waited for us at Troy *1.
>
> To understand this name Pyrrhus, we would have to know the story of
> The Trojan Horse but let’s examine just a few verses of Luke, who was
> probably one of the cleverest in his use of word devices.
>
> Purrhus was the name of a warrior inside the Trojan horse that was
> brought into Troy!
So what? It was filled with warriors.
>
> Act 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into
> Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
> Act 16:8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troy.
>
> The history of the Trojan horse reads:
Now you see a connection because the same city is mentioned in Acts
and the story of Troy...
>
> “Finding Troy proved difficult, however, and the Greek fleet at first
> landed in Mysia. A prophet, Helenus told the Greeks that Troy would
> not fall unless: Pyrrhus, Achilles' son, fought in the war”http://www.stanford.edu/~plomio/history.html
>
So you have found a likely mythical person sharing the name Pyrrhus.
You have no evidence showing this was the same Pyrrhus, father of
Sopater.
Look! From your same website, it says, "In Sparta, Menelaus, husband
of Helen, treated Paris as a royal guest. However, when Menelaus left
Sparta to go to a funeral, Paris abducted Helen (who perhaps went
willingly) and also carried off much of Menelaus' wealth.
In Troy, Helen and Paris were married. This occured around 1200 B.C."
1200 B.C.
So according to your usual SNOWJOB IGNORANCE and FOOLISHNESS, Pyrrhus,
who was said to have lived in 1200 B.C. is the father of Sopater, a
companion of Paul hundreds and hundreds of years later in the first
century A.D.
Look again! From your same website, it says, "Phoenix persuaded
Pyrrhus to join the war." Were YOU there too "Snow Pheonix"? LOL!
YOU as a TEACHER are a JOKE.
rod
> On Dec 13, 5:54 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Dec 14, 8:27 am, "John Gardner" <gardner1...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Snow, while I agree with much you have posted here, particularly re: the
>>> frailty of taking each of Yeshua's "I am" (ego eimi) statements as
>>> assertions of his deity, I think you need to deal with 2 things.
>
> Snowjob isn't going to "deal with" things he purposely ignores, are
> you Snowjob?
>
>>> First, despite the clear apostolic teaching that YHWH raised Yeshua from the
>>> dead, you must assign SOME meaning to Jn. 2:19, 20:
>>> "19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in
>>> three days."
>>> 20The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and
>>> you are going to raise it in three days?" 21But the temple he had spoken of
>>> was his body. 22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled
>>> what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus
>>> had spoken." (NIV).
>> I would first off point out, Yehoshua had knowledge of what would
>> happen before it happened. This is very related to Luke's recording of
>> what Peter stated:.
>
>
> You're deliberately missing the point, which is the Messiah said he
> would __raise his own body__ in John 2:19-21:
For crying out loud, he never said any such a thing! Where is your
proof, woman ? Parchments nearly 2000 years old ? You can't even be
sure that those are originals, can you ? You can't even verify that
the stories contained on those parchments happened, can you ? If you
can, then provide the evidence.
Snow
> > I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
> > tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
> > of Strife and not really love of YAHWEH.
>
> IS THAT WHY YOU POST LIES ABOUT WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY SAY, FOR
> STRIFE? YES.
It certainly motivates you doesn't it. Good to see you back posting
Linda.. Hope you had a good restful day:) Take care and keep up the
excellent demonstration of "Christian" behavior. Do you capitalize
incorrectly because you are angry? You do know that many people
consider that rude. Look forward to your next post:)
Linda Lee
>
Embarrassed that you obviously messed up big-time, false teacher?
<I'm sick of wasting time on Snowjob's Christian-baiting, and his anti-
christ/counterfeit-'Messianic' message mysteriously missing any role
for Yahashua` the Messiah, and his FELLOW 'phony believer', profane,
wife-beating, God-hating male chauvinist pig buddy "Rod", so ...SNIP>
It was prophesied that the Gentiles would worship Yahashua` the
Messiah as God:
Isa. 11:1 says, "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of
Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots".
'Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible' regarding Isa. 11:1
("And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a
Branch shall grow out of his roots"): - "The Chaldee paraphrase reads
this, There shall come forth a King from the sons of Jesse, and the
Messiah (or Christ) shall be anointed out of his sons' sons."
Isa. 11:10 continues saying of the Messiah, "And in that day there
shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign ["signal"]
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be
glorious".
The word here translated 'seek' - Heb. 1875 - is defined "A primitive
root; properly to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or
search); by implication to seek or ask; specifically to worship".
SPECIFICALLY TO WORSHIP.
GOD says OF HIMSELF in Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour upon the house of
David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and
of supplications: and they shall look upon ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED,
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and
shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his
firstborn.
jos boersema
>
>> Your point about democracy/republic, please be adviced that you're using
>> highly unusual USA jargon, in the rest of the world 'democracy' does not
>> /mean/ mob-rule, the term for mob-rule is 'anarchy,' or indeed 'mob rule.'
>> In much of the world, certainly in Holland 'Republic' is usually used to
>> denote a chosen head-of-state. Note how the words are constructed:
>> Res Publica, public case. Demos Cratia, people power. What you call a
>> Republic in the USA, we call it a Republic *and* a democracy (although
>> it is only an /attempt/ at democracy, it is so corrupt that it is not
>> actually a democracy in substance.)
>
> Allow me to explain Democracy in another way then. Democracy means
> that the majority of people make choices that govern the nation(s).
> 51 percent of the people make up the majority and rule over any class
> of people that dissent from the majority point of view. In real
> world, consider the majority of people that post on these ng's the
> majority, would you want all these "jesus-idolators" having the power
> to make and enforce the laws that govern your life?
Yes, only if they have the right to make their mistakes can they learn.
All I want is the right to leave that nation, and to leave it with a
sovereign group taking with us our share of land, to live in our own
way.
> How about if this "Christian" democracy determines that it is illegal
> to say Jesus is not a deity and you must go to church on Sunday at
> punishment of death... pure democracy is like that. For this reason,
> I say democracy is "mob rule" because the minority is never
> represented. A Constitutional Republic on the other hand establishes
> rules that can and do empower even minority interest. It is because
> the United States is a Republic that George Bush won the election in
> 2000, even though he had a minority of the popular vote.
Americans have a lot to learn about democracy. Your argument is false,
by the way. No nation doubts that democracy means rules for that
democracy, it is not an issue of debate at all. Maybe in America it
still is, I don't know. What you call 'checks and balances' and you
think you invented that, we in fact have 'separation of powers,' and as
far as we are concerned it is a French invention (Montesqieu?!). You may
call your country a republic and think you invented it, most people
think voting-democracy existed as far back as ancient Greece, and voting
existed in northern Europe also (voting for a King). Voting is not at
all unnatural, it happens a lot, it is natural. The greatest democracies
in the world exist with the native indians in America, imho. They are
thousands of years ahead of the USA, imho.
The minority interest is not really protected as you claim, a minority
interest is protected by their right to leave the group altogether, and
be their own sovereign group. The USA constitution does not provide for
such separation rules as does my Constitution Proposal, and thus the USA
Constituion does not really protect minorities from any majority
decision like mine does. Considder also: the majority rules anyway, if
not legally, then they can still rule illegally, for example through
civil war.
The fact that you use Bush-vote not having most votes in your nation as
an example where a minority is protected shows you don't really know
what you're talking about I guess ;). Because: minority protection is
something very different then having any minority rule over the
majority. What happened was merely an example of the USA Constitution
goofing up a lot, because it's a weird and inadequate model. Now you had
the majority oppressed, that any better ?
Please understand that I don't need a lesson in what Americans think. I
know what you think. It's not that I don't understand, I just think it's
wrong and immature.
I know what you think about republic/democracy, I know how you fantasize
to yourselves how the USA constitution protects minorities which is not
an issue of your state democracy system, but an issue of your Bill of
Rights and its protections on individuals. Your Constitution does *not*
protect minorities, because it doesn't allow people to break away to
form their own sovereign. Your Bill of Rights is not really enough,
though it is *also* a level of minority namely individual protection.
Best thing you can do: adopt my model, have real democracy in the state
and also in the corporations.
I even made you a version with the Bill of Rigths. Your state model is
extremely poor and substandard, sorry if you thought it was great, it
isn't. It is only great compared to absolute dictatorship, but it's not
as good as it needs to be; you're way behind where you should be, imho.
http://www.jhwh.be/post/002/merged/usa-BillOfRights-merged-constitution-.txt
Until the USA comes to terms with the fact that it is now a backwards
nation, I doubt the Americans will ever change anything for the better
in that nation. Superiority thinking is the great drug that keeps the
eyes closed to how badly the USA really is doing, in domestic and
foreign policy.
--
http://www.socialism.nl
I
> John 10:30-33 NIV
> (30) I and the Father are one."
Your uneducated EISEGESIS is not exegesis. This is what happens when you
refuse to use your God-given mind as directed by Jesus in the Greatest
Commandment.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are one [hen]." Doesn't this
show that they are one in essence?
Answer: This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What
John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer
concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one
[hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement
with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as
stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]"
(John 8:29).
There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles
areto be considered as of one essence
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
no, but your stupidity is emabarrassing, Linda.
> On Dec 14, 11:40 am, Snowjob <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> Embarrassed that you obviously messed up big-time, false teacher?
>
--
I'm trying to figure out if (<<Kelly>>) is so unalterably dimwitted to
be pitied or the prodigy of a zoo monkey.
Yikes! I just had a horrible thought. What if Jimmy Alpha and
(<<Kelly>>)should get together and procreate? I would think the result
would be quite horrid, all ears and no forehead, completely furry and
wearing and a blue cravat. :)
MU...
Odr
> On Dec 13, 5:54 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Dec 14, 8:27 am, "John Gardner" <gardner1...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Snow, while I agree with much you have posted here, particularly re: the
>>> frailty of taking each of Yeshua's "I am" (ego eimi) statements as
>>> assertions of his deity, I think you need to deal with 2 things.
>
> Snowjob isn't going to "deal with" things he purposely ignores, are
> you Snowjob?
>
>>> First, despite the clear apostolic teaching that YHWH raised Yeshua from the
>>> dead, you must assign SOME meaning to Jn. 2:19, 20:
>>> "19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in
>>> three days."
>>> 20The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and
>>> you are going to raise it in three days?" 21But the temple he had spoken of
>>> was his body. 22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled
>>> what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus
>>> had spoken." (NIV).
>> I would first off point out, Yehoshua had knowledge of what would
>> happen before it happened. This is very related to Luke's recording of
>> what Peter stated:.
>
>
> You're deliberately missing the point, which is the Messiah said he
> would __raise his own body__ in John 2:19-21:
>
that was speaking to them. As Christ said from the beginning, he
can do nothing of himself except he see the father do it first.
You don't even understand the basic precept of your religion,
and yet you had the temerity to write a book! Shocking, the
amount of people you have misled with your writings Linda.
Rod
glenn
> On Mon, 12/14/09, at 2:52:41AM,
> Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Do they ever notice that in Matthew, when Yehoshua quotes this, he
>> adds, "In vain do they worship me".
>
> ...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
>
> Thus, the problem wasn't in worshiping Him, but in worshiping the ideas
> of man rather than what God taught them in Scripture, as you do.
>
> John 10:30-33 NIV
> (30) I and the Father are one."
> (31) Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
> (32) but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from
> the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
> (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but
> for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
>
Yet another example (repeated, again) of Randy� taking scripture out of
context and giving it a meaning not intended in it's proper context.
First, � falsifies the meaning of the term "one" to make it mean "Same."
Second, � misinterprets the meaning of the Jew's statement to fit a
false doctrine.
The Jews knew that from the beginning, God caused each Kind to bring
froth after it's own Kind.
The Jews knew that the son of a horse, IS a horse.
The get of an Ass, MUST BE an Ass. (Equus asinus)
In the context of Jesus' discussion with the Jews, they asked Him, "If
thou be the Christ, tell us plainly."
Jesus replied "I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in
my Father's name..."
In this discussion Jesus refered to "My Father" at least four times!
The Jews knew that the Son is the *SAME KIND OF BEING* as his father!
The Jews knew that, but the trinitarians refuse to acknowledge that
simple fact!
If [since and because] Jesus is calling God His Father, then He (Jesus)
is saying that He (Jesus) is the same kind of being as is His Father!
But Randy Young, and the trinitarians, falsify this (and all other)
Scriptures to support the false doctrine of a triune god.
Jesus was NOT telling the Jews that He is the SAME BEING as God the
Father, but that He is the same KIND of being.
The Jews demanded that He tell them plainly if he were the Christ, the
promised Messiah, and He told them!
The promised Messiah, the promised Savior, The promised Christ is the
Son of David, the Son of God, and Jesus told them that He is THAT Son of
God, the promised Messiah!
The false doctrine of a triune god is a lie of Satan, and every time
Randy� falsifies scripture to teach or defend trinity doctrine he proves
it to be false!
Glenn
Snow
> ® wrote:
> > On Mon, 12/14/09, at 2:52:41AM,
>
> >> Do they ever notice that in Matthew, when Yehoshua quotes this, he
> >> adds, "In vain do they worship me".
>
> > ...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
>
> > Thus, the problem wasn't in worshiping Him, but in worshiping the ideas
> > of man rather than what God taught them in Scripture, as you do.
>
> > John 10:30-33 NIV
> > (30) I and the Father are one."
> > (31) Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
> > (32) but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from
> > the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
> > (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but
> > for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
>
> context and giving it a meaning not intended in it's proper context.
>
>
> Second, ® misinterprets the meaning of the Jew's statement to fit a
> it to be false!
>
> Glenn
You make some wonderful quotes Glenn. I can see where that agrees..
the same kind of being makes sense in the context of what is written.
Thank you for sharing.
®
glenn <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote:
> ® wrote:
>> On Mon, 12/14/09, at 2:52:41AM,
>> Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Do they ever notice that in Matthew, when Yehoshua quotes this, he
>>> adds, "In vain do they worship me".
>>
>> ...teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
>>
>> Thus, the problem wasn't in worshiping Him, but in worshiping the
>> ideas of man rather than what God taught them in Scripture, as you do.
>>
>> John 10:30-33 NIV
>> (30) I and the Father are one."
>> (31) Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
>> (32) but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles
>> from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
>> (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but
>> for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
>>
>
> Yet another example (repeated, again) of Randy® taking scripture out of
> context and giving it a meaning not intended in it's proper context.
A lie which you will not demonstrate below.
> First, ® falsifies the meaning of the term "one" to make it mean "Same."
A lie which has been shown to be a lie repeatedly.
On the meaning of the word "one" in Scripture, e.g. Genesis:
1) God was not made in the image of man; man was made in the
image of God. There is no exact equivalent to God, and we
cannot fully comprehend Him by looking at human relationships.
At best, we can understand a similar sense in which distinct
persons are "one". Trying to limit God to only being "one",
in the exact sense human beings are, is an attempt to make a
god in the image of man.
2) One, does not mean "two or more". It means "one".
Here are multiple instances of the same exact word for "one",
as used in Genesis alone:
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be
gathered together unto one <0259> place, and let the dry land
appear: and it was so.
Now, does "one", here, mean "more than one"? Maybe the water
was gathered in two places? No, "one" means "one". The one
place where water was gathered, WAS the "same" place where the
water was gathered.
Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall
upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one <0259> of his ribs,
and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Now, does this mean God took two of Adam's ribs, which were in
agreement with each other? No, the one rib which God took was
the "same" rib as the rib God took from Adam.
Genesis 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of
the one <0259> was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
Was Adah really two wife beings who were in agreement with
each other? No, "Adah" was the "same" being as the "one"
wife, "Adah".
Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of
one <0259> was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided;
and his brother’s name was Joktan.
Was "Peleg" really two different beings who were merely in
agreement with each other? No, he was the "same" being as the
"one" son "Peleg".
Glenn has previously said:
>It means "unified" or "agreed"
>The Son can say, "I and my Father are one" because He is
>"United and in agreement with" His Father. John 10:30.
People don't pick up stones to kill you, because you tell them
you agree with God. They understood He was claiming to be
"God", and the Jews only worshiped one "God", JHVH.
John 10
31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great
miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the
Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be
God."
Now you will say Jesus was not the same person as His Father.
I will say, "Correct!". The Bible teaches *both* that there
is only one God (Being), *and* that the Father, Son, and
Spirit are this one "God".
By denying Jesus and the Father are one God, Glenn promotes the
worship of more than one God, which is idolatry, and
simultaneously denies Jesus is the same God Being as is the
Father (blasphemy).
> Second, ® misinterprets the meaning of the Jew's statement to fit a
> false doctrine.
A lie which you have not and will not demonstrate.
> The Jews knew that from the beginning, God caused each Kind to bring
> froth after it's own Kind.
This statement you make has nothing to do with the passage in
question, which is where the Jews picked up stones to kill Jesus,
because He said He was one with the Father. They directly stated
the reason they were trying to stone Him, is because He, being a
man, made Himself out to be God. Thus, in claiming to be one
with the Father, the Jews directly understood He was claiming to
be God, and they only worshipped ONE God, JHVH!
Glenn's sophistry is therefore contrary to the plain statements
of Scripture.
> The Jews knew that the son of a horse, IS a horse.
> The get of an Ass, MUST BE an Ass. (Equus asinus)
>
> In the context of Jesus' discussion with the Jews, they asked Him, "If
> thou be the Christ, tell us plainly."
>
>
> Jesus replied "I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in
> my Father's name..."
>
> In this discussion Jesus refered to "My Father" at least four times!
>
> The Jews knew that the Son is the *SAME KIND OF BEING* as his father!
>
> The Jews knew that, but the trinitarians refuse to acknowledge that
> simple fact!
>
> If [since and because] Jesus is calling God His Father, then He (Jesus)
> is saying that He (Jesus) is the same kind of being as is His Father!
>
> But Randy Young, and the trinitarians, falsify this (and all other)
> Scriptures to support the false doctrine of a triune god.
>
> Jesus was NOT telling the Jews that He is the SAME BEING as God the
> Father, but that He is the same KIND of being.
There is nothing in the text that says anything like what Glenn
is saying here. Jesus said He was one with the Father, not that
He is the same kind of being as the Father, and they understood
Him to be claiming He was "God", not "a God", or "a God kind of
Being".
> The Jews demanded that He tell them plainly if he were the Christ, the
> promised Messiah, and He told them!
>
> The promised Messiah, the promised Savior, The promised Christ is the
> Son of David, the Son of God, and Jesus told them that He is THAT Son of
> God, the promised Messiah!
The idea that Jesus is the Son of God, and not the same person as
the Father is not some idea that destroys the view Glenn is
opposing. On the contrary. It's the other half of what that
view proposes. The Bible teaches there is only one God being
(JHVH). The Bible teaches three distinct persons (Father, Son,
and Spririt) are God.
Jesus showed in the passage above that He is one with the Father,
and the Jews understood Him to mean He claimed to be "God". They
only believed in one God being, and that is JHVH. Nothing in
that text says they understood Him to be claiming He was a God
kind of being, but that He was "God", the God, JHVH, which is the
only God they worship as God.
> The false doctrine of a triune god is a lie of Satan, and every time
> Randy® falsifies scripture to teach or defend trinity doctrine he proves
> it to be false!
That there is only one God Being is not a lie of Satan.
That the Father, Son, and Spirit are God, is not a lie of Satan.
That they are three distinct persons is not a lie of Satan.
On the other hand, Glenn promotes the idea that both the Father
and Son are "God", yet that they are not the same Being. Thus,
he promotes both idolatry and blasphemy. Idolatry because he is
worshiping more than one "God", and blasphemy because He is
denying Jesus is the same one God Being as is the Father.
glenn
Snow, thanks for your comment.
Rod
I've seen her book advertised on amazon. I'm going to buy it
and have a look. I'm interested to know how accurate it is.
Rod
Snow
I believe positive comments on truthfulness is a must in our
business.
Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened and they recognised Him. And He
disappeared from their sight.
Luk 24:32 And they said to each other, “Was not our heart burning
within us as He was speaking to us on the way, and as He was opening
the Scriptures to us?”
That Yehoshua opens the scriptures to us is that great revelation. I
do not seek to take away from.. rather, that we should keep his
message true.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Snow
> > It certainly motivates you doesn't it. Good to see you back posting
> > Linda.. Hope you had a good restful day:) Take care and keep up the
> > excellent demonstration of "Christian" behavior. Do you capitalize
> > incorrectly because you are angry? You do know that many people
> > consider that rude. Look forward to your next post:)
>
> I've seen her book advertised on amazon. I'm going to buy it
> and have a look. I'm interested to know how accurate it is.
>
> Rod
It's a real sleeper.. I couldn't make it though the first chapter.
Good luck:)
glenn
>
>
You are a heretic, a liar, false accuser, false witness and a false teacher.
I will no longer throw my pearls to a swine.
Snow
I always find it interesting that people "accuse" other people of
being an "accuser".
Joh 7:28 Yehoshua therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “YOU both KNOW ME, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 12:49 For I have NOT spoken of MYSELF; but the Father WHICH SENT
ME, HE GAVE me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak.
Mat 4:10 Then YEHOSHUA said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been
written, ‘You shall worship יהוה [YAHWEH] your Elohim, and Him alone
you shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
Snow
> > I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
> > tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
> > of Strife and not really love of YHWH.
>
> IS THAT WHY YOU POST LIES ABOUT WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY SAY, FOR
> STRIFE? YES.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ,
Then how come even your King James Version says Jesus has a God?
Linda Lee
That does not mean he 'has a God'; that means he taught about God and
that God was his Father.
There is only one God; the Father and Son of God are one and the same,
The only unique Son of God signifying God in the flesh.
Wonder why John said the MESSIAH taught in John 5:23, "That all men
should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that
honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."
The word here translated 'honour'/'honoureth' - Gk. 5091 - is defined
"to prize, that is, fix a valuation upon; by implication to revere".
The Messiah taught that "all men" should honor (prize, value, and
revere) the SON JUST AS THEY DO GOD THE FATHER, and that if they do
NOT, they do not have the Father.
Wonder why the prophet Isaiah said the Gentiles would find rest by
worshipping the Messiah (Isa. 11:10 - see below)?
Isa. 11:1 says, "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of
Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots".
'Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible' regarding Isa. 11:1
("And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a
Branch shall grow out of his roots"): - "The Chaldee paraphrase reads
this, There shall come forth a King from the sons of Jesse, and the
Messiah (or Christ) shall be anointed out of his sons' sons."
Isa. 11:10 continues saying of the Messiah, "And in that day there
shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign ["signal"]
of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be
glorious".
The word here translated 'seek' - Heb. 1875 - is defined "A primitive
root; properly to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or
search); by implication to seek or ask; specifically to worship".
SPECIFICALLY TO WORSHIP.
GOD says OF HIMSELF as the crucified Messiah in Zech. 12:10, "And I
Snow
> > I'd be happy
> > to agree to never speak to or about you ever again if you would agree
> > to do the same.
> You're a liar; you have no intention of not bugging me or gossiping
> about me as you've proven time and again; you just don't want your
> many mistakes pointed out.
See.. I make the offer and you refuse... You are unable to agree to
disagree and simply stop stalking me because you have deep troubling
issues and they have nothing to do with me.
Let's face it Linda.. we are never going to agree and all you do is
spew hatred every day.. you can't even work up the the imagination to
pretend that your giving praise to anybody but your own ego.
Stop posting to me.. I stop posting to you.. stop talking about me.. I
never want to hear about you ever again. I happen to think your a
revolting person. I have no desire to ever know you or even think
about you.
The reality is that you are the one unable to simply let go.
Linda Lee
> On Dec 15, 7:34 pm, glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> > ® wrote:
>
> > You are a heretic, a liar, false accuser, false witness and a false teacher.
>
> > I will no longer throw my pearls to a swine.
>
> I always find it interesting that people "accuse" other people of
> being an "accuser".
DO you find that interesting? You should, since you accuse others of
being accusers almost daily just as you accuse them of stalking you
while you stalk them; this is because you're a psychotic hypocrite.
Snow
> On Dec 15, 5:16 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 3:10 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
> > > > tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
> > > > of Strife and not really love of YHWH.
>
> > > IS THAT WHY YOU POST LIES ABOUT WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY SAY, FOR
> > > STRIFE? YES.
>
> > 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah
>
> > 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the GOD and Father OF our Lord JESUS Christ,
>
> > Then how come even your King James Version says Jesus has a God?
>
> That does not mean he 'has a God'; that means he taught about God and
> that God was his Father.
It is as plain as day LINDA LOSER, STOP POSTING TO ME.
Snow
looked at them. You can read this the first time or the hundredth time
this gets spammed back at you Linda but this is it.. I’m done with
you.
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
Dear very SICK, DEMENTED STALKER JEZEBEL. Please feel free to end
this boring spam war at any time and agree to actually follow the
teachings of the Messiah...
What this means is that you go your way in peace and make your post..
I go my way and make my post and we have no need to ever speak to each
other ever again...
You see, I am not the one that is in love with you.. you are the one
that is in love with me and this is why you can't let go of posting to
me , YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH GETTING A SNOWJOB that you aren't getting.
I really do not think it is too much to ask that you keep your posting
to other people and not speak of me on a daily bases in your anal
retentive, boring accusations.
This is not my first spam war as you well KNOW. I’ve been in these on
your side trying to help fend off people just a psychotic as you like
CARL. I’ve patiently asked you many times to stop your attacks on me
and even when you’re not talking to me, you’re talking about me. You
are obsessed with ME, not your deity, not obeying any so called
proclaimed “spirit” that you clearly do not possess unless you’re
claiming a demon.
If you need a confession, this is it: I do not like you. I have no
desire to share your dogma, speak to you or even know anything of you.
Look, I get it that your this needy person who thinks that if you call
people Chauvinist, that people might think this has anything with you
being a female but you know it doesn’t.. It’s about you showing a tiny
bit of restraint and not attacking me on a daily bases as you have
every time you post for the past YEAR.
Its probably is hard for you to understand, given that maybe you
thought I was a friend of yours while you went around behaving like
the witch that you are… the reality is that people have a right to
post without being attacked and that is why I sided with you when Carl
spam attacked you.
I can agree to not post in threads you start and I can agree to NEVER
mention you again and honestly if I never heard from you again, that
would greatly please me but I respect that you have the right to post,
unlike you. I respect that you have a freedom of speech, JUST LIKE I
DO.
You do not have to agree with me but I do ask that you let me be.
I realize that this is probably your idea of a cry for help.. I
cannot give it to you.. seek professional help or get somebody else
that is willing to speak with you to get help you so badly need.
I realize that you are jealous of the fact that nobody listens to you
are cares about you… that Ike tells you what a witch you are… What
makes you think I disagree or agree with him? Why are you trying to
associate us? Because you are jealous, which really is a sad site
because…
We don’t agree on dogma, we can’t communicate like civil people, why
not just do one simple thing and end this stupid harassment NOW
instead of ten years from now or whenever enough people complain?
Is it that hard for you to just leave me alone? Are you so possessed
by evil spirits that you can’t simply follow those teachings you swear
you follow instead of just falsely accusing every person you talk to
on a daily bases?
As to my speaking on the dogma of Christianity, I do not attack
individuals, I speak of an entire belief system and this is my right
to do so.
You on the other hand have made this VERY PERSONAL and so, I see it as
completely different. If you want to speak about how evil “Messianic”
faith is.. be my guest.. have at it. I know that the truth prevails
and I have no fear of anything you have to say about my system of
beliefs.
Your primary problem is that you still insist on being identified as a
Christian because you feel a need to conform to that belief system in
some way or form but the reality is that Christians believe Apostle
Paul and so, you are in denial of what you are by Christian standards,
a heretic.
Now, since I am Messianic, this does not bother me in the slightest.
It doesn’t bother me to be labeled “anti Christ” either because I know
the truth… I honor my Messiah’s teachings by doing my best to do what
is right and I don’t just pick and choose which of the scriptures I
keep, I keep them all that speak according to the Torah of My ELOHIM
YAHWEH EL SHADDAI.
I get it that you pretend to reject Paul and you also reject Moses
even though you deny this fact! You deny the name of YAHWEH every
chance you get… I can live with that.. I spoke my peace, I’m done with
you and no more communication between us is ever needed, wanted or
desired in any way shape or form.
I don’t want you to apologize, I don’t want your forgiveness, I DON’T
NEED IT. You can carry your hatred with you until you rot in your
grave or… you can let it go, it’s all your choice.. everything is your
choice.. will it end now?
Examining the reality of what I have come to know about Linda Lee is
that she rejects the entire bible. To her, the bible is something she
can use to ATTACK OTHER PEOPLE but she has no need to actually put
into practice the teachings of the Messiah herself. She does this
because it is really her desire to spread her hatred. She hates men
and exhibits many traits of a Lesbian, where all men are pigs and she
is a victim of male aggression when in reality, she is the person that
institutes aggression on a daily bases...
If not over "the divinity of Christ" she has railed about "murdering
false apostle Paul" for YEARS now attacking every person that dares to
attempt to speak with her on the topic.
She rejects Moses, she rejects Paul and she pays lip service to her
supposed deity Jesus. She claims her deity preached the commandments
but then later says that one can't keep the Ten Commandments and so it
must be by "grace" that she is entitled to her claims. So while she
rails against Paul, she closely adhere to his doctrine in practice and
only disagrees with his "anti feminist" statements about woman
learning in silence.
Rod
The I won't bother. I can't understand why a publisher would
print such a nightmare, knowing the sales would be in the
toilet!
Rod
Yea, it is as plain as the nose on her face and she won't
acknowledge it. I've never seen anything like this before,
this is wanton stupidity hungering for more of the same.
Snow
> > It is as plain as day LINDA LOSER, STOP POSTING TO ME.
>
> Yea, it is as plain as the nose on her face and she won't
> acknowledge it. I've never seen anything like this before,
> this is wanton stupidity hungering for more of the same.
Yeah... that's why I'm just going to spam her with the same boring
post.. she isn't worth the effort or time it takes to actually respond
to. She feeds on hatred so she can have an excuse to spew more of
it. I really think she is very sick person and I hope she will agree
to not post to me or about me because I would be happy to do the same.
Snow
wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:44:33 -0800 (PST), Snow
>
> <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > I always find it interesting that people "accuse" other people of
> >being an "accuser".
>
>
> John 5:45 (ASV) Think not that I will accuse you to the Father: there
> is one that accuser you, even Moses, on whom ye have set your hope.
>
> There is no such thing of accuser without an accuse, except for you.
>
> You're playing with words.
Tell it to your psychotic friend and stop posting to me too. You both
have an issue with agreeing to disagree.
Rod
The point is I am afraid, that she doesn't WANT you to quit,
that is why she keeps goading you, to keep you wanting to
respond to her. You're right, she is VERY SICK, but what can you
do to discourage such a person ? Kill filing her won't stop
her from hounding you, so what will ? Nothing..she loves to
hate you..you are her obsession...the unreachable. What she
can't have she will destroy.
Nothing will stop it but direct intervention of law enforcement,
or her death. Unpleasant as it sounds, it is also true.
Snow
Well the other problem is that the supposed "Christians" love to goad
her on too. Remember VERA ignoring all her hateful posting to side
with Linda... As long as somebody encourages her to behave in the
manner that she does on a daily bases, she will never seek out the
help that she needs.
Vera is another person that thinks she speaks for "god"... they both
have serious issues.
Rod
Well, I'm going to put my feelings aside on this point and
admit that just because I don't hear gods voice doesn't mean
he isn't speaking, but someone that acts like you just described
who has heard his voice may find themselves soon falling out
of favor with him.
My own feeling on this is that people who act as these people have
are deluding themselves in the belief that they can sin on monday
and repent on friday and it will be accepted without question,
EVERY WEEK!
What this means is that they believe they can go out and raise hell
on monday and repent on sunday and start over again monday. They are
pitiful. And it must hurt them to know that unbelievers at least make
the effort to verify what they read, while the followers believe what
ever is in print!
Scary, eh ?
Snow
>The
> sacrifice of Yeshua was acceptable because it was made by a perfect
> sinless individual - God himself. John 3:16.
I would point out to you that John 3 does not say what you think it
reads, in my opinion. I will explain this other view to you but I
realize you do not except my point of view.
Joh 3:13 “And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came
down from the heaven – the Son of Aḏam.
I would point out that the first distinction is here in his statement
that he is the "Son of Man/Adam". YAHWEH is the creator of man, not
the Son.
Joh 3:14 “And as Mosheh lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even
so the Son of Adam has to be lifted up,
This next verse goes on to explain why the Messiah was "lifted up" and
makes the comparison to the serpent in the wilderness, which as you
know, had zero to do with forgiveness of sins and everything to do
with being A SYMBOLIC demonstration of the power of Elohim. This idea
of the passion being a demonstration of the power of belief is upheld
…
Joh 3:15 so that whoever is believing in Him should not perish but
possess everlasting life.
Joh 3:16 “For Elohim so loved the world that He gave His only brought-
forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but
possess everlasting life.
If you believe this passage, it does not say anything about removing
sin, it simply states that He is lifted up so that you would believe
when the miracle of the resurrection takes place, men would know and
witness the power of Elohim.
The fact that the Messiah was in fact DEAD, means that he could not of
his own ability raised himself, lest we say the dead are not dead and
we deny the very fact that scriptures emphatically state that he gave
his spirit into his Father's hands.
Luk 23:46 And crying out with a loud voice, YEHOSHUA said, “Father,
into Your hands I commit My spirit.” And having said this, He breathed
His last. "
And John does say that he was DEAD.
Joh 21:14 This was now the third time YEHOSHUA was manifested to His
taught ones after He was raised from the dead.
The passage says, "He was raised" from the dead by an external power,
not that he raised himself from the dead. Luke in Acts agrees:
Act 4:10 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of
Yisra’ĕl, that in the Name of YEHOSHUA Messiah of Natsareth, whom you
impaled, whom Elohim raised from the dead, by Him this one stands
before you, healthy.
Again.. another account that specifically points to an external power
of Elohim that raised him from the dead. This pretty much blows your
Trinity and "incarnate" theories out the window but of course you will
refuse to recognize these simple truths... that scriptures do not
agree with you dogmatic mistranslation.
So... I have nor denied anything in the Good News and have in fact
encouraged you to recognize what it actually teaches... that the
Messiah died so that other would believe in the power of Elohim to
raise men of from the dead.
You would have us believing that the dead raise themselves but dead is
DEAD and I have to wonder how long you will deny the Good News in
favor of your dogma! Do you deny he was DEAD? Certainly that idea
denies the scriptures! Ultimately, if “Jesus” was dead, who do
Trinity Christians think raised him?
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
Mark Twain
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
Restored Names King James for E-sword
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/Jubilees.pdf
Book of Jubilees
I believe that being successful means having a balance of success
stories across the many areas of your life. You can't truly be
considered successful in your business life if your home life is in
shambles.
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Snow
> Why the heck don't you just fillfile her if she so irritates you? Why
> respond if you think she's just goading you?
Thank you Vince for being a voice of reason. You know.. I have a lot
of respect for those questions and your absolutely right but look at
it this way... Every time that I put up a post, since I do it though
the net, if I kill file her, my threads disappear. I would hope that
their are enough peace minded people in these NG's that say.. Hey..
Linda.. Just stop harassing him.. It's been over a year now that she
has behaved in this fashion and I honestly believe.. and this is from
the core of my being that Linda drives more people from faith then all
of our petty discordances.
You are a person passionate about your faith and I respect that you
have your vision of things and I have mine.. you goad me but not
because you want to call me evil or satan.. but because you
passionately disagree. We are very much the same in that respect and
so, sooner or later, we simply have to agree that we will not see
things eye to eye.
I do not think that you are a person that would dwell on attacking a
single person for over a year... you hopefully have better things to
do in your life.
When people log on and see the type of hate filled drivel this person
puts into the universe everyday, it's an example to them that we are
all insane petty morons that attack each other day in and day out...
How is that serving Yehoshua??? The examples we set are being
watched... do you want to see you "Lord" behaving like Linda? I
certainly wouldn't.
Mat 12:36 “And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they
shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.
I must speak up on what I see is wrong.. and attacking people
everyday, not matter who it is, is just WRONG. Yehoshua came to teach
us the way of peace and it's about time some people actually start to
practice what they preach instead of using scriptures to simply
condemn everybody that doesn't agree with them.
That's how I feel about it.. and I respect you may feel differently.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
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"Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
news:2c5013ee-5f18-4e2a...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
Ed Form
> I would point out to you that John 3 does not say what you think it
> reads, in my opinion. I will explain this other view to you but I
> realize you do not except my point of view.
>
> Joh 3:13 ?And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came
> down from the heaven ? the Son of Ad_am.
I don't agree with a lot you have to say old Snow, but your analysis here
only needs one piece of information to be a complete negation of the
trinitarian viewpoint.
John 3:13 is the opening statement of a commentary by John in which he
declares the reasons why Jesus was able to tell Nicodemus of heavenly
things, had he been able to understand what he was being told. So, writing
a few years after Jesus ascent into heaven, John could say...
John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
The tense here is perfect active indicative: in other words, this is an
action that was completed some time in the past, and we know when it
occurred because the account at the beginning of Acts 1 tells us.
but he that came down from heaven,
The verb here is the second aorist active participle, which [in general]
has the same sense as a perfect active participle. In other words, this
also was action that had taken place at some point in the past. I'll come
back to when in a moment.
even the Son of man which is in heaven.
The verb here is the present tense of the verb to be; so this is a simple
statement that Jesus was in heaven as John wrote.
Now to the crux of the matter: the central clause of the three in John's
sentence, 'but he that came down from heaven,' has to be very carefully
examined in the light of Jesus own claims on this subject which we find in
John 6...
Verse 28...
Then said they unto him,
What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
They said therefore unto him,
What sign shewest thou then,
that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Our fathers did eat manna in the desert;
as it is written,
He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Then Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Moses gave you not that bread from heaven;
but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
The tense in that last clause is present active indicative: it means but
my Father *is* *giving* you the true bread from heaven *right* *now* As
they stood and listened to Jesus they were receiving the true bread from
heaven.
Verse 33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven,
and giveth life unto the world.
The three verbs here also are all present active; the correct translation
for the verse is...
For the bread of God is he who is coming down from heaven
and is giving life unto the world.
Again the sense is clear: the bread of God was the teaching of Jesus which
he was delivering to them, from God, at that very moment. The idea that
Jesus came down from heaven is actually another way of saying that Jesus
taught God's words and ideas. It does not mean that he had previously been
in heaven and had descended because he was coming down from heaven as he
stood in front of them and spoke.
Ed Form
Snow
> antichrist and to continue to call me
> "Whore", “murderer”, “Jezebel witch”, and "Lesbian" all you like; I
> still will not renounce Christ as God incarnate as you insist I do,
Linda, I don't care what you do or what you believe.. I simply want
you to stop posting to and about me and I will do the same when you
agree to that... I have zero desire to ever call you, know you or
speak of you once you agree to stop your obsessional with me.
> mental problems evidenced compulsive
> lying.
> you're children of the Devil, control-freak male chauvinists, liars,
> and hypocrites damn
Linda Lee
>
>
> She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
You're just mad I pointed out your statements about Judaism were
"bigotry" the other day. If it makes you feel any better, I suppose I
am bigoted about Islam and truly believe it is as evil as you view
Judaism.
I suppose you're like the hypocrite MCP John Gardner and think 'the
little woma'n should 'guard my tongue' while Snowjob and his God-
hating buddy Rod call me every profane name in the book and post lies
about me? LOL! Not gonna happen.
At least what I say about the profanity-spewing, lying, hypocritical,
falsely accusing, wholly ignorant, antichrist Snowjob is true; he lies
with every stroke of the keys, changing his "beliefs" every couple of
weeks depending on whom he is trying to manipulate/impress; then he
goes into an impotent fury when his old contradictory posts are
posted.
Snow
> On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>
>
>
> > She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
>
> You're just mad
No Linda.. LISTEN to people.. you have anger and hostility issues.
Everytime you post on these NG's.. you are attacking somebody over
something.. I have never seen you post in any other manner ...
NEVER.. You attack people over apostle Paul or whatever issue you
think you have to shove down peoples throats...
Get it into your skull that you are an angry hateful person and you
need to check yourself. You NEVER give praise unless of course it's
somebody that you are trying to woo because they excuse your hatred...
I'm not asking you to change your point of view Linda because I don't
give two cents what you believe.. I do not want to know you and I want
nothing to do with you.. so stop posting to me and stop talking about
me and start looking at yourself.
Linda Lee
> On Dec 17, 12:01 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Why the heck don't you just fillfile her if she so irritates you? Why
> > respond if you think she's just goading you?
Because he's as liar as he is the one doing the goading, as he's about
to prove:
>
> Thank you Vince for being a voice of reason. You know.. I have a lot
> of respect for those questions and your absolutely right but look at
> it this way... Every time that I put up a post, since I do it though
> the net, if I kill file her, my threads disappear.
Once again Snowjob proves that he is the one doing the "goading" and
proves what a lying hypocrite he is; he's just said he wants me to
leave him alone, now he claims he wants me to post to him to keep his
threads active.
You are such a deluded child of the Devil that you don't even care
that you look like a liar, do you Snowjob? That is because you're
simply psychotic like your psychotic God-hating, wife-beating buddy
Rod.
And if your threads remain active, it is nothing to me, because they
just contain more of your contradictory statements and lies and show
you for the devil-child that you are.
> We are very much the same
Baloney; you're manipulating again.
You're basically a dishonest person and Vince is basically an honest
person; you're NOTHING alike.
And it is your dishonesty that makes you so despicable, but I don't
guess a compulsive liar like yourself will ever comprehend that.
> I must speak up on what I see is wrong.. and attacking people
> everyday, not matter who it is, is just WRONG.
I must also speak up on what I see is wrong. You're ALWAYS the
hypocrite, aren't you Snowjob, as you think attacking me every day,
goading me into responding to you is RIGHT when you've just said that
behavior is wrong no matter who you're dealing with. You act like the
Devil himself and then attribute your bad behavior to having 'had a
bad day'; you have lots of bad days.
Here Snowjob judges Christians and calls them "Nazis" while he
hypocritically complains they're judgmental:
Snowjob replies to singin4free's statement (“The proof is the risen
Christ, not the behavior of fallible humans.”) by saying, “Christians
always use this excuse to explain why they are Nazi's. You quote bible
passages but never, ever put the works into action. ...Christians are
judges, not doers. They quote the scriptures to attack people not put
it into practice” - 11/26/09 - from http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/23074919e8ee9938
Snowjob likely projects his own vices and claims Christians are
drunks, perverts addicted to porn, and involved in prostitution,
saying:
<quote>
"The “Christian” voice can dimly be heard Sunday morning during the
wee
hours after a long night drunken binges and we have the nerve to
berate the Taliban for telling their daughters to cover up and not
follow the western example.
Reality says, If Christians were not calling 1-900 sex numbers our
televisions wouldn’t be flooded with advertising because they would
make NO PROFIT. If Christians were not going to strip clubs, buying
prostitutes and yes, making pornography freely available under the
guise of “Free Speech”, telling our daughters that sex is a commodity
to be traded for a piece of paper, the industry would be gone but its
thriving in this economic downturn. These are the “American Values”
we are fighting for and I don’t think their worth it any more.
If CHRISTIANS started actually standing up for what is truly right,
we
wouldn’t have prostitutes walking down the back alleys of every major
city..." <end quote> - 12/7/09 - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/8107636c51d3d17a
You're desperate, Snowjob. It really messes up your antichrist
'ministry' to have your hypocrisies and twisted interpretations of
the
Scriptures exposed, doesn't it? I doubt that it is even necessary to
point it out. Most people can see right away you're a hypocritical,
pompous, egomaniacal, holier-than-thou lying ignoramus child of the
Devil who doesn't know diddly about the Scriptures.
Snow
> > I must speak up on what I see is wrong.. and attacking people
> > everyday, not matter who it is, is just WRONG.
>
> I must also speak up on what I see is wrong. You're ALWAYS the
> hypocrite, aren't you Snowjob, as you think attacking me every day,
> goading me into responding to you is RIGHT when you've just said that
> behavior is wrong no matter who you're dealing with. You act like the
> Devil himself and then attribute your bad behavior to having 'had a
> bad day'; you have lots of bad days.
You are a angry hateful person. You give no esteem to your Messiah,
you disregard everything he taught and attack people on a daily
bases.. you attack everybody. You hate everybody and you are just
flat out wrong.
Turn the other cheek, leave them alone, love your enemies.. all
teachings that fall by the wayside with you.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
You think I'm blind.. fine Linda.. follow your deity and leave me
alone. I'm happy to never think of you ever again because I think you
are an evil hateful person.
>I
> still will not renounce Christ as God incarnate as you insist I do,
Linda, I don't care what you do or what you believe.. I simply want
you to stop posting to and about me and I will do the same when you
agree to that... I have zero desire to ever call you, know you or
speak of you once you agree to stop your obsessional with me.
I can’t read your post Linda, they make people dumber for having even
looked at them. You can read this the first time or the hundredth time
this gets spammed back at you Linda but this is it.. I’m done with
you.
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
Dear very SICK, DEMENTED STALKER JEZEBEL. Please feel free to end
this boring spam war at any time and agree to actually follow the
teachings of the Messiah...
What this means is that you go your way in peace and make your post..
I go my way and make my post and we have no need to ever speak to each
other ever again...
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
Snow
> We should celebrate not only the birth but the ministry, miracles, message,
> death, resurrection and rulership of the Son of God YEAR ROUND. We could
> maybe start by using some of the $400 billion we spend annually to Stimulate
> the Economy for Jesus Sake to feed the hungry, clothe the cold, and pump
> clean water to the sick people who die every year by the droves as we
> endlessly gift one another. Amen?
>
> John/Jochanan.
“I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I
am opposed to is a rash war.”
Barack Obama
Why are we at war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Can anybody really tell me?
Eight years ago, we entered these countries under the excuse of
retaliatory for the 9/11 attacks but that was 2001 and this is almost
9 years later. Saddam Hussein is dead and gone; there are no weapons
of mass destruction and President Obama promised to end the war and
yet, here we are a year after he’s been elected and more troops are
being deployed.
“The surge troops have been deployed to Afghanistan by the end of
Summer 2010, the total number of US troops there will be around
98,000, the highest level yet. When President Obama took office, that
number was 32,000.”
Instead of ending war, he has double the number of armed soldiers and
will soon triple the number from Bush administration levels and we
have nobody asking, “WHY”?
“All war is based on deception.”
Sun Tzu
From the second Obama won the Presidency, the international media
stopped the daily body counts and broadcasting the war protesters and
stopped asking, “Why are we at war?” They no longer cared because the
propaganda against the Bush administration had put their Manchurian
candidate in office.
To be fair, I never understood from day one, why we went to war in the
first place and to be honest, I don’t care.
Knowing that just the “Defense” budget would feed, clothe, transport,
educate and house one sixth the entire world population makes me
scratch my head at the vast amounts of debt America is buried under to
support these travesties, no… crimes against humanity. I think if
we created trade opportunity instead of bombs, the world might think a
little better of us but the tragic reality of the real world is that
people like to lie to themselves and label human beings as statistics
so that they don’t have to think about the reality that their tax
dollars aren’t really helping the poor unless you consider killing
them a viable option.
We send troops instead of educational book to teach them a better way
of life. The last time I checked the only viable crop in Afghanistan
was opium, so maybe we should be looking at pharmaceutical companies
seeking to control drug production but are poppies really worth
killing for? In Iraq, any layman knows it’s about the oil but I
remember Obama spending a lot of his hype on new technology to remove
this dependency… We’ve had the technology to never use oil ever again
for a dozen years, affordable, reliable and cheap alternatives have
already obsoleted yesterdays economy and still we bail out car makers
and continue corrupt business schemes with a bankrupted economy… What
happened Obama to, “Yes, we can” that you’ve tied up all your
credibility in socialized health care instead of any real reforms???
Americans are reduced to social gossipers talking about how many woman
a golfer slept with instead taking any real steps to change the world…
why? Or if the insane “Octo” mom is going to have still more babies
even though she can’t take care of the bastards she already has being
supported by corporate sponsors. Because nobody is FOCUSED on
solutions to the problems when they are too busy being worried about
if they are going to have access to prescription drugs they don’t even
need.
Religious people don’t seem to give a damn about anything but there
precious dogma and we don’t see any of them stepping up and talking
about real world issues either.
The media continues to push out its defecation of never ending
violence and pointless soap operas and all people seem to care about
is nothing but themselves and if there poor low self esteem is being
insulted as if that matters.
Everything that we need is within reach and all we have to do is wake
up and realize that we can pull our troops out of foreign countries
and let them be… we can decentralize the electric grid and make self
sustaining homes that produce electricity using various methods… we
can take the government OUT of health care and the doctors will be
forced to provide affordable solutions of actually curing sickness
instead just pills that mask symptoms and make pharmaceutical
companies rich. Government isn’t the cure to health care, they are
the people that poison the well in the first place! The welfare
system makes our own government compete against its own working
population and the only people with health care are those on the
government payroll (including the military) and this should be
reversed.
If we can say we are fighting for anything, it’s to support the
corporate controlled media that also owns the military industrial
machine and we are fighting to support corruption, greed and seeking
world domination instead of world peace and that’s nothing worth
fighting for.
I shouldn’t be surprised that on the 20 boards I posted, “The campaign
against violence”, a single person of faith spoke up and he
supported violence.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
George Orwell
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Many a man's strength is in opposition, and when he faileth, he grows
out of use.
Francis Bacon
Jude Alexander
"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:427dacb0-50e3-4864...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>
>
> She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
You're just mad I pointed out your statements about Judaism were
"bigotry" the other day. If it makes you feel any better, I suppose I
am bigoted about Islam and truly believe it is as evil as you view
Judaism.
You're so incredibly blinded by your hostility. I don't think of Judaism as
evil. I think of it more as full of ancient ignorance and mental illness
(at times but not always). I don't hate Jewish people in the least. In
fact, I used to work with them and I had good relationship with all of them
except the Fundies which acted like a non-Jew was diseased and wouldn't even
answer me on the first day that I ran into one about what time it was.
I suppose you're like the hypocrite MCP John Gardner and think 'the
little woma'n should 'guard my tongue' while Snowjob and his God-
hating buddy Rod call me every profane name in the book and post lies
about me? LOL! Not gonna happen.
I'm not sure who John Garnder is. You see how absolutely you employ
"magical thinking" as you believe you know everything about a person you
disagree with and, OF COURSE, it's ALL negative. :)
At least what I say about the profanity-spewing, lying, hypocritical,
falsely accusing, wholly ignorant, antichrist Snowjob is true; he lies
with every stroke of the keys, changing his "beliefs" every couple of
weeks depending on whom he is trying to manipulate/impress; then he
goes into an impotent fury when his old contradictory posts are
posted.
I think you're way out of line. He doesn't lie. IF he believes something
that isn't true, it's called mistaken. At least have the decency to see
that just about everybody here thinks they are correct. They're not out to
deceive, even you. However, you have let your judgement be clouded, imo,
about Snow. I disagree with him hardily on some subjects but I don't think
of him as lowdown as you do because he isn't. There are much more
aggravating personalities here on ACC than Snow.
Jude Alexander
Are you from Australia? Contact your ISP if you cannot killfile without
problems and get that sorted out.
When somebody throws out a rope, they're hoping someone will grab it and
tug. Sometimes, you grab that rope and go to town but sometimes you just
let it sit there. "They" go away eventually. :)
Linda Lee
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:427dacb0-50e3-4864...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>
>
>
> > She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
>
> You're just mad I pointed out your statements about Judaism were
> "bigotry" the other day. If it makes you feel any better, I suppose I
> am bigoted about Islam and truly believe it is as evil as you view
> Judaism.
>
> You're so incredibly blinded by your hostility. I don't think of Judaism as
> evil. I think of it more as full of ancient ignorance and mental illness
That is bigotry to say all those who profess belief in Judaism are
mentally ill.
> (at times but not always). I don't hate Jewish people in the least.
That's good; I don't hate any particular Muslims either, but I DO
think their religion is downright evil. I recognize that is bigotry,
yet I still believe it is evil at its core, and in particular believe
its denial the Messiah was the Messiah and Saviour and is "only a
prophet" (as Snowjob maintains) is the essence of evil.
> In
> fact, I used to work with them and I had good relationship with all of them
> except the Fundies which acted like a non-Jew was diseased and wouldn't even
> answer me on the first day that I ran into one about what time it was.
Then they were bigoted against non-Jews.
>
> I suppose you're like the hypocrite MCP John Gardner and think 'the
> little woma'n should 'guard my tongue' while Snowjob and his God-
> hating buddy Rod call me every profane name in the book and post lies
> about me? LOL! Not gonna happen.
>
> I'm not sure who John Garnder is. You see how absolutely you employ
> "magical thinking" as you believe you know everything about a person you
> disagree with and, OF COURSE, it's ALL negative. :)
I didn't say you knew him, I said I suppose you're being hypocritical
like him and believe I should hold my tongue while Snowjob spews such
profanity at me as "whore" and "Jezebel" along with more false
accusations I'm a "Lesbian" and a "murderer", since you've taken it
upon yourself to have an opinion on the matter.
IS that what you think I should do, or am I wrong???
Do I misunderstand that you want me to remain silent in the face of
Snowjob's onslaught that's been going on for over a year and a half
and into which last July he's invited his profane, God-hating, wife-
beating, buddy Rod (and yes, I can prove in his own words he hates God
and beats his wife)?
>
> At least what I say about the profanity-spewing, lying, hypocritical,
> falsely accusing, wholly ignorant, antichrist Snowjob is true; he lies
> with every stroke of the keys, changing his "beliefs" every couple of
> weeks depending on whom he is trying to manipulate/impress; then he
> goes into an impotent fury when his old contradictory posts are
> posted.
>
> I think you're way out of line. He doesn't lie.
BALONEY. You do not know what you're talking about. He has been
falsely calling me a "Lesbian" for months, and I ought to know whether
or not I am, and I AM NOT, and have no intentions of changing. He has
also labeled me a "murderer" simply because I voted for the President
of my choice; and I am not a murderer and have never had an abortion.
> IF he believes something
> that isn't true, it's called mistaken. At least have the decency to see
> that just about everybody here thinks they are correct. They're not out to
> deceive, even you. However, you have let your judgement be clouded, imo,
> about Snow. I disagree with him hardily on some subjects but I don't think
> of him as lowdown as you do because he isn't. There are much more
> aggravating personalities here on ACC than Snow.
If you would read his posts and see the deliberate lies, you might
change your mind. He changes position on his 'beliefs' depending upon
who he's directing his post.
Linda Lee
Do you choose not to see that he is just putting on a show when he
complains about me posting to him, and he says he doesn't really want
me to quit posting to him? He likes this war and thinks it makes his
topics popular... And by the way, he actually declared himself my
enemy and declared war on me around two years ago.
Here he lies and claims that if he killfiles MY POSTS, his threads
will disappear; I think we all know that is NOT TRUE:
From - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/1bb3b91a9dc19db3
-
On Dec 17, 12:01 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote to
Snowjob:
> Why the heck don't you just fillfile her if she so irritates you? Why
> respond if you think she's just goading you?
..."Every time that I put up a post, since I do it though
the net, if I kill file her, my threads disappear."
"I would hope that
their are enough peace minded people in these NG's that say.. Hey..
Linda.. Just stop harassing him.. It's been over a year now that she
has behaved in this fashion and I honestly believe.. and this is from
the core of my being that Linda drives more people from faith then all
of our petty discordances."
Do you understand that he believes goading and attacking me with false
accusations I'm a non-believer, a lesbian, and a murders helps him?
It is his goal to goad Christians into arguing with him; he thinks
this promotes his antichrist message, his sole interest.
And it is his habit to accuse others of behavior he himself is doing
(just as he's accusing me of refusing to quit posting to him while he
posts to me as he pleases):
Snowjob says to Rod, "You will find it is a common tactic to accuse
other people of the very thing you are guilty of... Excellent
thoughts." -
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/0adfc17f981beec2
> On Dec 17, 12:01 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote [to Snowjob]:
Linda Lee
> On Dec 17, 2:33 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>
> > > She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
>
> > You're just mad
>
> No Linda.. LISTEN to people.. you have anger and hostility issues.
> Everytime you post on these NG's.. you are attacking somebody over
> something.. I have never seen you post in any other manner ...
You are simply a LIAR and false accuser, Snowjob. In the last three
years, I have responded that way to attacks from you and your two MCP
buddies; IKE (whom you lauded as a friend for his false attacks on me
like your own attacks, calling me witch and Jezebel, but whom you
called a "demon Christian" referring to HIS attacks on virtually
everyone), and your profanity-spewing God-hating, wife-beating buddy
ROD. NOT everyone; you, Rod, and Ike, you simply lie just like you lie
about everything else.
Who called who a murderer Snowjob? (That would be you called me one.)
Who called who a homosexual Snowjob? (That would be you calling me a
Lesbian.) Who levels false accusations at others? (That would be you
Snowjob, you lying hypocritical mess of a human being.)
...
> somebody that you are trying to woo because they excuse your hatred...
Projection to the MAX. You excuse Rod's professed hatred of God and
his previous "pretend interest" in religion because he joined you in
subjecting me to profanity, adding to your own "whore" and "Jezebel
witch" and "Lesbian" with slut, etc. You're a PIG.
And your compulsive lying demonstrates you are sick. You ought to seek
professional mental health; and I am not joking or being sarcastic on
this.
>
> I'm not asking you to change your point of view Linda because I don't
> give two cents what you believe.. I do not want to know you and I want
> nothing to do with you.. so stop posting to me and stop talking about
> me and start looking at yourself.
Make up your confused little mind Snowjob; you've just told Vince you
cannot killfile my posts to you because it will make your threads
disappear - another of your OBVIOUS LIES. LOL!
("Every time that I put up a post, since I do it though the net, if I
kill file her, my threads disappear" - See
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/1bb3b91a9dc19db3
You are lying; your threads DO NOT disappear if you ignore one poster
to that thread (and you MUST KNOW THAT); if people were paying
attention to your BS, they'd all know that was false, as we are all
using "the net" just like YOU.
Snow
if people were paying
> attention to your BS, they'd all know that was false, as we are all
> using "the net" just like YOU.
Linda.. I don't care what you think.. You care what I think or you
wouldn't stalk and post about me on a daily bases.
How do we change for the better?
“Faith is an excitement and an enthusiasm: it is a condition of
intellectual magnificence to which we must cling as to a treasure, and
not squander on our way through life in the small coin of empty words,
or in exact and priggish argument.”
George Sand
In scriptures, YHWH calls on all of humanity to change, to become a
renewed creature. Humanity stuck in its old ways has used this word
of YHWH in all the wrong ways. Seeking to dominate each other rather
than themselves, they fear change. Raised into a belief system, they
spend the rest of that lifetime defending it rather than perfecting
it.
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.”
A clear example of this type of behavior are those who reject Elohim
YHWH EL Shaddai for other beliefs such as Evolution. On a regular
bases, you will find the heathens scouting around and they say the
Genesis account of scriptures is not true. I personally believe in
the 6 day creation. The very concept of evolution is CHANGE and so,
it begs the question again, Can we change?
“If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at
change.”
Wayne Dyer
When a person goes to work in a new occupation, they learn new words
and a new vocabulary as they grow and learn new ideas and
understandings. Those words establish certain ideas in the mind of
the person that uses them. This same idea carries on in our entire
life and science has established this in what is called, “Neuro
Linguistic Programming”.
Now some people have come to associate words differently and a clear
example of this is the word, “GOD”.
To some, if you said “God”, they might think of Jesus Christ and
others might think Allah, Buddha, Krishna or even the Dalai Lama.
The Dalai Lama teaches, “Open your arms to change, but don't let go of
your values.”, but what if what you value is wrong? Some men value
authority, conquest, control and money and use any means to acquire
more of it. Shouldn’t you want to let go of those values that serve
nobody but the self and in fact can be destructive forces in the
world? Do you think it’s a coincidence that the entire world worships
“God”? Ask the Muslim, Jew, Christian, Catholic or any monotheistic
worshiping person who they worship and the word always enters the
conversation even if they all mean different deities.
Ironically, each religion says that the other religions are not true
and yet they all have the same vocabulary in speaking of what they
believe except when it comes to one thing, A Name. Christians will
tell you that the Greek name of Jesus Christ is God which is ironic
when they claim he was a Jew that doesn’t have a Jewish name, as given
in Zechariah 6: 11,12.
Jew’s will say, Adonai HeShem (Lord name) or some other silly title is
the name of their creator, because they choose to bring his name to
naught by never teaching it by man made traditions.
Muslim’s say Allah is God but in all these religions, the worship of
“God” as creator is what unifies them all. The name “God” is
worshiped by all.
Rev 13:7 And it was given to him to fight with the set-apart ones and
to overcome them. And authority was given to him over every tribe and
tongue and nation.
Many people forget the, “fight of the tongue” and have submitted to
authority of false worship by use of the very words they speak that
have the power of life and death. They have forgotten:
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Most of the time, we sit around and never really consider the power of
words in our daily life but the words we think actually relate to how
we react to any given situation and form the bases of our moral
understanding. Are you in the “favor” of YHWH, or “grace”? Grace by
implication means all is forgiven and forgotten, while favor implies
privileged opportunity.
The case for grace:
In Christian doctrine, everything on Mt. Sinai is now a “weak and
unprofitable” (Heb 7:18) mistake and now we can pick and choose “moral
laws” ourselves that we follow regardless of the fact that the
commandments were written by the hand (Exo 31:18) of the same
“perfect” creator.
YHWH chooses Israel and then proceeds to tell them, not to murder (Exo
20:13), not to sacrifice their children (Psa 106:38), not to spill
innocent blood (Deu 19:10) and then somehow in Christianity, all these
things that are evil and repugnant became an act (committed by the
Romans but blamed on the Jews) that saves the world… How do murder,
human sacrifice and the spilling of his son’s blood redeem the
world? The use of “grace” leads all who practice this faith to hate
YHWH and love “Jesus”. YHWH becomes the evil villain that commands
bad Jews who never listen, Jesus becomes savior for allowing exactly
what men shouldn’t do, be done to him and this act brings about
“grace”. Grace by murder and bloodshed…
The fruit of this grace is that they go to church on a day commanded
by church men, because somehow the unchanging “God”, changed his mind
about what he wrote. Is it a wonder why there are so many atheists
who observe Christians pretending to be self righteous and then raping
altar boys and behaving like devils in use net every day?
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Taste like a lemon to me.
The doctrine of Favor says that YHWH was always forgiving and that his
Son was sent to be a light to the world. Favor says that the perfect
offering is a spiritual offering done in communion to YHWH and that we
should worship our Father YAHWEH in the spirit and ask for
forgiveness. Favor says that we acknowledge our love of YHWH by
keeping his Torah as best we know how and establishing the
commandments in our lives and in return he blesses us, his children.
Favor says that your beliefs must become action, where as grace says
nothing different then, “Live as you please and if you believe, Ye
shall not die but shall be as God.”
The words you come to associate with your beliefs will become the
instigator of your actions. To change, you must choose to associate
new words to correspond with how you react.
“If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always
gotten. “
Tony Robbins
The clearest way to demonstrate this is by answer a simple question,
“Life is like _______” How do you fill in the blank?
If life is a game, then it might have rules and you want to win, so
you play to dominate the other players. If life is a war, then you
must determine if the people that you meet are friends or foes and
there is little room for in between. If life is a dance it might be
something wonderful and beautiful… it all depends on what you
associate to the words that gives these things it’s meaning… but can
you see where your reaction might change if you’re on either a
battlefield or a dance floor to any given situation???
Change the words you associate to something and you change the way you
feel and the way you react and behave. So, change is instant and
happens from one moment to the next and we can change and have… the
question is are you willing to change who you are and do you even want
to?
The keys to change rest in a simple passage:
Mat 7:7 “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find,
knock and it shall be opened to you.
Mat 7:8 “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and
to him who knocks it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 “Or is there a man among you who, if his son asks for bread,
shall give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 “Or if he asks for a fish, shall he give him a snake?
Mat 7:11 “If you then, being wicked, know how to give good gifts to
your children, how much more shall your Father who is in the heavens
give what is good to those who ask Him!
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Are you asking the right questions? Questions are the control to your
life. Do you ask disempowering questions of yourself or questions
that empower you? You should ask yourself, “What would make the
biggest difference in my life? How can I bring about the change in my
life that helps me better serve YHWH?”
Change your questions and you’ll change your experience. Whatever we
ask for, we’ll get an answer to, whether it’s true or not, so ask
better questions of yourself and YAHWEH.
The most quoted remarks of President Kennedy got us to, “Ask not what
my country can do for me, ask what I can do for my country.” Shouldn't
the same be done for your deity?
Shalom,
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We fear to know the fearsome and unsavory aspects of ourselves, but we
fear even more to know the godlike in ourselves.
Abraham Maslow
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
Linda Lee
> On Dec 17, 5:27 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
Aren't you glad now you've falsely accused me of being a "Lesbian"?
Make up your confused little mind Snowjob; you've just told Vince you
cannot killfile my posts to you because it will make your threads
disappear - another of your OBVIOUS LIES. LOL!
("Every time that I put up a post, since I do it though the net, if I
kill file her, my threads disappear" - See
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/1bb3b91a9dc19db3
You are lying; your threads DO NOT disappear if you ignore one poster
to that thread (and you MUST KNOW THAT); if people were paying
attention to your BS, they'd all know that was false, as we are all
using "the net" just like YOU.
> if people were paying
>
> > attention to your BS, they'd all know that was false, as we are all
> > using "the net" just like YOU.
>
> Linda.. I don't care what you think.. You care what I think or you
> wouldn't stalk and post about me on a daily bases.
<snip rest of sicko Snowjob's perpetual lies>
Oh, I do hope your thread won't disappear if I delete my own post!
LOL!
Rod
> On Dec 16, 10:40 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 2:33 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>>>> She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
>>> You're just mad
>
>
>> No Linda.. LISTEN to people.. you have anger and hostility issues.
>> Everytime you post on these NG's.. you are attacking somebody over
>> something.. I have never seen you post in any other manner ...
>
>
> You are simply a LIAR and false accuser, Snowjob. In the last three
> years, I have responded that way to attacks from you and your two MCP
> buddies; IKE (whom you lauded as a friend for his false attacks on me
> like your own attacks, calling me witch and Jezebel, but whom you
> called a "demon Christian" referring to HIS attacks on virtually
> everyone), and your profanity-spewing God-hating, wife-beating buddy
> ROD. NOT everyone; you, Rod, and Ike, you simply lie just like you lie
> about everything else.
You simple minded female! You are LIVING PROOF that women like
yourself(angry, mouthy, vicious liars) are nothing more that a life
support system for a vagina!
The accusations you are making are false, all the more so because
you are basing them on a conversation by email which you saw only
the tail end of, and have no idea what was being talked about! You
are in every sense of the word, A MOUTHY, TALKING VAGINA WITHOUT
A HINT OF ANY THOUGHT PROCESS TAKING PLACE IN YOUR HEAD!
Now stop your lying and shut the hell up!
Rod
> On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>>
>> She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
>
>
> You're just mad I pointed out your statements about Judaism were
> "bigotry" the other day. If it makes you feel any better, I suppose I
> am bigoted about Islam and truly believe it is as evil as you view
> Judaism.
>
> I suppose you're like the hypocrite MCP John Gardner and think 'the
> little woma'n should 'guard my tongue' while Snowjob and his God-
> hating buddy Rod call me every profane name in the book and post lies
> about me? LOL! Not gonna happen.
Oh poor poor Linda! You spout off al manner of lies and insults about
what you know not and expect US to set there and take your abuse quietly.
Go suck dirt, you frog faced cretin!
Jude Alexander
On Dec 16, 12:15 pm, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:427dacb0-50e3-4864...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 9:15 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>
>
>
> > She's one of the most hostile people I've seen in ACC.
>
> You're just mad I pointed out your statements about Judaism were
> "bigotry" the other day. If it makes you feel any better, I suppose I
> am bigoted about Islam and truly believe it is as evil as you view
> Judaism.
> You're so incredibly blinded by your hostility. I don't think of Judaism
> as
> evil. I think of it more as full of ancient ignorance and mental illness
That is bigotry to say all those who profess belief in Judaism are
mentally ill.
Are you able to see how you misread that? You split up the text in
parenthesis below. AT TIMES BUT NOT ALWAYS!!! At times is not all the
time!
> (at times but not always). I don't hate Jewish people in the least.
That's good; I don't hate any particular Muslims either, but I DO
think their religion is downright evil. I recognize that is bigotry,
yet I still believe it is evil at its core, and in particular believe
its denial the Messiah was the Messiah and Saviour and is "only a
prophet" (as Snowjob maintains) is the essence of evil.
So, you see it's not ME, it's you who assign evil to a whole religion. I
call it ignorance. Some will, IN THAT IGNORNCE, do evil as we all know.
Islam was invented by Mohammed who had a limited working knowledge of
Judiasm and Christianity. He was what I alluded to before, mentally
disordered. He had the brain disorder of epilepsy, which he acknowledged
happily thinking that was the gift God gave to all the prophets. You can
find this information within one of his biographies.
God judges with complete knowledge of every human being. We are unable to
do that even for ourselves much less one other human being.
> In
> fact, I used to work with them and I had good relationship with all of
> them
> except the Fundies which acted like a non-Jew was diseased and wouldn't
> even
> answer me on the first day that I ran into one about what time it was.
Then they were bigoted against non-Jews.
Just the Fundies, the reformed Jews that I was around everyday were no
different in social interaction than anybody else.
> I suppose you're like the hypocrite MCP John Gardner and think 'the
> little woma'n should 'guard my tongue' while Snowjob and his God-
> hating buddy Rod call me every profane name in the book and post lies
> about me? LOL! Not gonna happen.
> I'm not sure who John Garnder is. You see how absolutely you employ
> "magical thinking" as you believe you know everything about a person you
> disagree with and, OF COURSE, it's ALL negative. :)
I didn't say you knew him, I said I suppose you're being hypocritical
like him and believe I should hold my tongue while Snowjob spews such
profanity at me as "whore" and "Jezebel" along with more false
accusations I'm a "Lesbian" and a "murderer", since you've taken it
upon yourself to have an opinion on the matter.
You said that you supposed that I liked him. I have to know him to either
like or dislike him.
IS that what you think I should do, or am I wrong???
I've already said that those words shouldn't be directed to you. You've
both gone to the limit of how much you can bear of each other. Perhaps,
it's time to take a break. Taking a break doesn't mean you lose whatever
argument is going on. Unfortunatley, that is what a lot of people think.
I've left off some arguments KNOWING that the jerks would think they were
"victorious." That's THEIR ignorance. It'll come out eventually.
Do I misunderstand that you want me to remain silent in the face of
Snowjob's onslaught that's been going on for over a year and a half
and into which last July he's invited his profane, God-hating, wife-
beating, buddy Rod (and yes, I can prove in his own words he hates God
and beats his wife)?
I would suggest to both of you to leave off with each other at least for
awhile. It's already been made clear how you feel about each other.
Okay, so if that true, okay. That's unfortunate, to say the least. Can you
change him from doing that (if it's true?)
> At least what I say about the profanity-spewing, lying, hypocritical,
> falsely accusing, wholly ignorant, antichrist Snowjob is true; he lies
> with every stroke of the keys, changing his "beliefs" every couple of
> weeks depending on whom he is trying to manipulate/impress; then he
> goes into an impotent fury when his old contradictory posts are
> posted.
> I think you're way out of line. He doesn't lie.
BALONEY. You do not know what you're talking about. He has been
falsely calling me a "Lesbian" for months, and I ought to know whether
or not I am, and I AM NOT, and have no intentions of changing. He has
also labeled me a "murderer" simply because I voted for the President
of my choice; and I am not a murderer and have never had an abortion.
Look, I haven't kept up with you or Snow or Rob. If you're not a Lesbian,
then I can understand why you would be upset, that being libel.
> IF he believes something
> that isn't true, it's called mistaken. At least have the decency to see
> that just about everybody here thinks they are correct. They're not out to
> deceive, even you. However, you have let your judgement be clouded, imo,
> about Snow. I disagree with him hardily on some subjects but I don't think
> of him as lowdown as you do because he isn't. There are much more
> aggravating personalities here on ACC than Snow.
If you would read his posts and see the deliberate lies, you might
change your mind. He changes position on his 'beliefs' depending upon
who he's directing his post.
Well, my position is that most people on ACC don't go out to actually lie
but they're presenting their understanding to the best of their ability.
Sure, there's a few who just make waves.
Btw, I DID see that Rob lied about being saved. Who knows why he would lie
about that? I just can't get interested in all that.
Look, I'm not against you. Why not take a break from feeling hostility,
warranted or not. I understand that at least some of it is warranted.
Wouldn't you like a break? When we fight about our beliefs, it often times
turned negative, self included, because everybody gets hurt and/or mad about
particular thing being said. I had to take a whole year off most recently
whereas usually I used to take a month or so off now and then.
Rod
> On Dec 16, 1:33 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 5:27 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Aren't you glad now you've falsely accused me of being a "Lesbian"?
I'm the one that did that, and I still think you act like a dyke
and fight like a beer hall queen! You have all the mannerisms of
a drunken whore and the tact of a road side bomb.
No self respecting pimp would handle you.
Jude Alexander
her to do, at least for awhile to get a break. It seems that you've both
brought each other to the edge and it's all useless anyway because we can't
change another person's behavior. That's why, even though people think I'm
losing an argument or that I'm afraid of their "superior" knowledg, I walk
away from posts that I can see will go on and on without any conclusion.
It IS a fact that people can argue for a lifetime on one issue. I know this
and do not want to get into endless back and forth never getting anywhere.
Linda Lee
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
P.S.
Regarding my statement of "That is bigotry to say all those who
profess belief in Judaism are
mentally ill." in reply to your comment, "I don't think of Judaism as
> evil. I think of it more as full of ancient ignorance and mental illness " (from http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/f2bfe4aa627e0d2e)
Some Jews are bigoted against Gentiles, but that doesn't mean members
of Judaism are mentally ill. It simply means they think they are right
to reject Gentiles because, according to what they know of their
Scriptures, God encouraged them to reject the ancient Gentiles who
worshipped other gods, and they see Christianity as an extension of
that idolatry. But they are either rejecting or are ignorant of the
fact that their Scriptures also say the purpose for which they were
formed as a nation was to enlighten the Gentiles, not reject them, and
that the Gentiles would worship the Jewish Messiah.
Regarding Yahashua` the Messiah, son of David who was son of Jesse,
Isaiah prophesies the Gentiles would follow and worship him:
Isa. 11:10 "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles
seek: and his rest shall be glorious".
The word here translated 'seek' - Heb. 1875 - "properly to tread or
frequent; usually to FOLLOW (for pursuit or search); by implication to
seek or ask; specifically to WORSHIP".
Dor
Snow
Are you “Under the Law”? Without the law, you are LAWLESS and
preaching you are not under it means you preach lawlessness.
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart
from Me, you who work lawlessness!’
Of the many false teachings of Christianity put forward by its
inventor Apostle Paul in the beast canon is that you are not under the
law. The classic misdirection is to say it is the “Law of Moses” but
a quick examination of the Torah shows otherwise:
Gen 26:5 because Aḇraham obeyed
[1]My voice and guarded My Charge:
[2]My commands, [3]My laws,
[4]and My Torot1.” Footnote: 1Torot - plural of Torah, teaching
Notice that Yahweh in Genesis calls them “My Commands” this is
repeated again in Duet 11:1.
The next misdirection is to state that “the law” wasn’t given until
Moses. The Sabbath was made on day 7 of the creation:
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
The Sabbath is part of creation that is given to man as it moves on
the earth. Israel was expected to keep the Sabbath even before Mt.
Sinai.
Exo 16:29 “See, because Yahweh *has given you the Sabbath*, therefore
He is giving you bread for two days on the sixth day. Let each one
stay in his place, do not let anyone go out of his place on the
seventh day.”
This is why Yehoshua said he was “master of the Sabbath”. The Sabbath
command as a day of rest means that your focus is on doing what is
right in the site of the Almighty. That the 10 Commandments was since
the beginning and only re-issued to the slaves of Israel is easily
established:
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command
which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word
which you heard from the beginning.
2Jn 1:6 And this is the love, that we walk according to His commands.
This is the command, that as you have heard from the beginning, you
should walk in it.
Sin and Transgression of the 10 commands are easily established in
Genesis:
Gen 4:7 “If you do well, is there not acceptance? And if you do not do
well, sin1 is crouching at the door. And its desire is for you, but
you should master it.” Footnote: 1Sin (transgression of the law) was
already then known, as we also read in 39:9.
Even in Genesis 4 we see the punishment of Cain committing murder of
his brother, Yahweh has compassion. The fact that Christians believe
Yahweh is without compassion is the result of blind Pharisees like
Paul and the book of Hebrews but the truth is that compassion is the
law:
Deu 4:31 “For Yahweh your Elohim is a compassionate Ěl, He does not
forsake you, nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers
which He swore to them.
Yahweh does not destroy you, sin destroys you.
Deu 11:16 ‘Guard yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and you turn
aside and serve other mighty ones and bow down to them.
The Torah is not a curse as Paul says and he misquotes purposely the
Torah. Do NOT serve Paul, he is a liar and the truth is not in him,
you are being tested according to Deu 11 1-7. The curse is if you do
NOT obey the Commands.
Deu 11:26 ‘See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:
Deu 11:27 the blessing, when you obey the *commands of Yahweh* your
Elohim which I command you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commands of Yahweh
your Elohim, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to
go after other mighty ones which you have not known.
Notice it reads the Commands. The typical Christian misdirection is
to say you are cursed, “under the law” and they lump in priest
ordinance and ever right ruling given to Israel but the word says *the
commands of Yahweh* of which 10 are the covenant.
Simply put:
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”
This is NOT WRITTEN. Paul has lied and added words to the Torah and
in doing so, broken the ordinance:
Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take
away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה [Yahweh] your Elohim
which I am commanding you.
The final lie of Paul is the statement:
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against
us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it
to his cross;
The Messiah refuted this claim personally:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.
Paul had no authority to make such a claim. Heaven and earth are
still hear and many prophecies have not been fulfilled. Still, those
who worship Paul will make claims to the contrary of the Messiah…
because they believe a lie, they want you to believe a lie because
they have NO LOVE.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Do you love Paul or the Messiah?
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being
crafty, I caught you with guile.
Paul wanted to destroy the Church of Yahweh by his own admission.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which (I destroyed), I make
myself a transgressor.
We must first ask our self, “What have we destroyed by listening to
Paul?”
Pro 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and
reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
We are destroying the lamp that leads us, the light within it and the
way to our own life.
Rev 18:23 “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at
all. And the voice of bridegroom [Yehoshua] and bride [Yahweh] shall
not be heard in you any more at all. For your merchants were the great
ones of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were led
astray.
Shalom,
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"Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corrupter of the doctrines
of Jesus."
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An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
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time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that
we seek.
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He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who
helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against
it is really cooperating with it.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Linda Lee
No, I said " I suppose you're like", 'you are like', not, I suppose
you like him.
>
> IS that what you think I should do, or am I wrong???
>
> I've already said that those words shouldn't be directed to you.
I missed that post; mind providing the link? I've only seen the ones
defending him and criticizing me.
> You've
> both gone to the limit of how much you can bear of each other. Perhaps,
> it's time to take a break. Taking a break doesn't mean you lose whatever
> argument is going on.
When he continues to lie and falsely claim that I am a "murderer" and
a "Lesbian", he is hurting my reputation with lies; if I do not deny
it, then others will think I am a "murderer" and a "Lesbian" (in fact
Ike said when Snowjob first accused me of this, 'I don't see her
denying' she's a lesbian).
Snowjob started this with me, supposedly we were "friends" when I
noticed him posting in other threads I was not posting in that I was a
"whore" because I insisted on using the KJV Bible, and the words God
and LORD after he'd ordered me to desist doing so. I'll tell you, the
claim I'm a murderer simply because I voted for the President of my
choice is the most annoying, because not only was he insisting I
believe what he believed about religion; he was attempting to dictate
my choice to vote for a Democrat in the election. He's a control
freak, as well as a compulsive liar, and he attempts to exert his
controls on women posters. That plus his penchant for applying filthy
names to women, leads me to believe he's a "male chauvinist pig".
> Unfortunatley, that is what a lot of people think.
> I've left off some arguments KNOWING that the jerks would think they were
> "victorious." That's THEIR ignorance. It'll come out eventually.
>
> Do I misunderstand that you want me to remain silent in the face of
> Snowjob's onslaught that's been going on for over a year and a half
> and into which last July he's invited his profane, God-hating, wife-
> beating, buddy Rod (and yes, I can prove in his own words he hates God
> and beats his wife)?
>
> I would suggest to both of you to leave off with each other at least for
> awhile.
In the last few months, when I've quit posting to him, he feels free
to post to me; he doesn't let it go, and his complaints he wants it to
stop is belied by his stated belief that arguing like this with me,
and the false accusations he levels against me, helps him fight
against Christianity.
> It's already been made clear how you feel about each other.
>
> Okay, so if that true, okay. That's unfortunate, to say the least. Can you
> change him from doing that (if it's true?)
Doing what? Beating his wife? The point is, Snowjob is on constant
attack against Christian belief, but is best buddies with a person who
says God is a psycho, that he was pretending to show an interest in
religion, and his sole reason for buddying up to him was because Rod
was willing to endlessly post profanity to me. Rod I have ignored for
a week or so lately; Snowjob is against Christ; his manipulations will
not be ignored.
>
> > At least what I say about the profanity-spewing, lying, hypocritical,
> > falsely accusing, wholly ignorant, antichrist Snowjob is true; he lies
> > with every stroke of the keys, changing his "beliefs" every couple of
> > weeks depending on whom he is trying to manipulate/impress; then he
> > goes into an impotent fury when his old contradictory posts are
> > posted.
> > I think you're way out of line. He doesn't lie.
>
> BALONEY. You do not know what you're talking about. He has been
> falsely calling me a "Lesbian" for months, and I ought to know whether
> or not I am, and I AM NOT, and have no intentions of changing. He has
> also labeled me a "murderer" simply because I voted for the President
> of my choice; and I am not a murderer and have never had an abortion.
>
> Look, I haven't kept up with you or Snow or Rob. If you're not a Lesbian,
> then I can understand why you would be upset, that being libel.
NO! I am NOT a "Lesbian". And yes, it is definitely libel and is
based on NOTHING I've ever done or said here. Perhaps I should look
into doing something about that.
>
> > IF he believes something
> > that isn't true, it's called mistaken. At least have the decency to see
> > that just about everybody here thinks they are correct. They're not out to
> > deceive, even you. However, you have let your judgement be clouded, imo,
> > about Snow. I disagree with him hardily on some subjects but I don't think
> > of him as lowdown as you do because he isn't. There are much more
> > aggravating personalities here on ACC than Snow.
>
> If you would read his posts and see the deliberate lies, you might
> change your mind. He changes position on his 'beliefs' depending upon
> who he's directing his post.
>
> Well, my position is that most people on ACC don't go out to actually lie
> but they're presenting their understanding to the best of their ability.
> Sure, there's a few who just make waves.
He knows I am not a lesbian nor a murderer.
>
> Btw, I DID see that Rob lied about being saved. Who knows why he would lie
> about that? I just can't get interested in all that.
They both like to play with Christians. When Rod was pretending to be
interested in Christianity, he e-mailed me asking me to come visit him
and asking where I live. Why would he do that when his interest in
religion was a pretense? And now he's so openly hateful; I think he
would have had a surprise for me in store if I'd responded to his
invitation to visit him.
>
> Look, I'm not against you. Why not take a break from feeling hostility,
> warranted or not. I understand that at least some of it is warranted.
>
> Wouldn't you like a break? When we fight about our beliefs, it often times
> turned negative, self included, because everybody gets hurt and/or mad about
> particular thing being said. I had to take a whole year off most recently
> whereas usually I used to take a month or so off now and then.
He thinks others will excuse his and his God-hating buddy Rod's
attacks and condemn me for responding because I am a Christian and
they think I should roll over and invite more verbal attack (when the
Messiah's admonition to 'turn the other cheek' is about not responding
with violence to the first violent blow).
Snowjob tends to keep it up with gossip with others even when I don't
participate; I don't think he'll let it go because he has just lied
about how he can't killfile my posts because this will cause his
threads to disappear from the Internet - a load of nonsense.
Linda Lee
> The Sabbath was made on day 7 of the creation:
>
> Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
> on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
>
> The Sabbath is part of creation that is given to man as it moves on
> the earth. Israel was expected to keep the Sabbath even before Mt.
> Sinai.
>
> Exo 16:29 “See, because Yahweh *has given you the Sabbath*, therefore
> He is giving you bread for two days on the sixth day. Let each one
> stay in his place, do not let anyone go out of his place on the
> seventh day.”
>
> This is why Yehoshua said he was “master of the Sabbath”.
NO.
Matt. 12:8 Yahashua` the Messiah said, "For the Son of man is Lord
even of the sabbath day."
He said he (who often called himself "the Son of man") was "Lord even
of the sabbath day" because he was Lord of EVERYTHING as he was God
incarnate.
O
Lets get this straight. I've tried to correct Linda and she refuses to
correct it. This wife beating BS started with a post I made to John
Weatherley after responding to several of his emails on the topic
of a person in another group that DOES beat his wife. I was ridiculing
the man in the post that I made. Now, this IS NO ONES BUSINESS, but
the extremist nutcases kelly and Linda have made it their business.
Now, is this clear enough for ya Linda, or do you need me to rub
your face in it ?? When someone tells you "None of your business",
it doesn't mean that you can go ahead and make something up that
sounds bad to you.
Any questions ?
Jude Alexander
"Rod" <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hgbai8$ehb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Alright, Rod. Take a break, okay?
Snow
how to weasel their way around keeping the word of YAHWEH. Instead of
binding it on their hearts, they spend day and night twisting the
truth to create an Elohim of their own making and desires, one that
serves them and not one they serve.
If I am to take any example from scriptures on how to lead my life, I
choose the prophet Daniel for my own. I’d like to encourage some of
you prayer warriors to be like Daniel also... Daniel had a hard life
and as a child was swept from his home and brought to serve one of the
most evil tyrants of world history, Nebuchadnezzar, Sovereign of
Babylon.
He was trained in foreign traditions and even suffered the humiliation
of having his name changed to a pagan one of Belteshazzar, his very
identity was stolen. Can you imagine what that must have been like?
I can’t and must consider myself blessed that I have the freedom
Yahweh has given me.
Dan 1:8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile
himself...
What a powerful statement that is to me... that we purpose in our
hearts not to defile ourselves. Not just among heathens but all men.
We are called to set ourselves apart from the world and all that is in
it.
A recent post of mine was very controversial but I’m so happy that I
did it because in the process, Yahweh taught me something new that I
honestly didn’t notice the importance of it before hand. You see, a
lot of the times, I just start writing and I allow the word of
Yahweh’s scriptures to guide me and lead me... where it lead me was to
his little gem:
Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou
delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of Elohim are a broken spirit: a broken and a
contrite heart, O Elohim, thou wilt not despise.
You see, lately for me, I’ve had a crushed spirit and a broken heart,
not because of any personal relationship problems but because, I often
wonder where Yahweh is leading me. I wonder if anybody at all hears
me, trying to help them see the truth and so often I feel so
ineffective.
The easy path in this life is to just play along with the crowd and
except the dogma of the day and to just follow along and agree. A
dozen times a day people will say, “your blind” and I respond with the
word of Yahweh.
Mat 23:26 “Blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and dish,
so that the outside of them becomes clean too.
We must clean out our own defilement inside and that means I start
with my own. I am not your judge and this is not about me telling you
what you do wrong, you know for yourself what needs to be cleaned out
of your closet, just as I do. So, without condemnation, I challenge
you dear reader, clean out the closet and purpose in your heart not to
defile yourself with the world.
But Daniel gave me so much more of an example in my life and one I
hope you take with you also... One of fearlessness to face any danger
and know that Yahweh walks beside you, behind you and in front of you
when you do set in your heart to do righteousness and right-ruling.
Isa 54:17 “No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every
tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This
is the inheritance of the servants of [Yahweh] יהוה, and their
righteousness from Me,” declares [Yahweh] יהוה.
Take your inheritance and embrace it as a servant, with humility and
yes... even a bruised spirit and know that his promise is with YOU!
Fear nothing but Yahweh and know that he is your righteousness and
your strength and your saviour.
Isa 45:15 Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of Yisra’ĕl,
Saviour!
He has hid himself from the world for the time being.
Jer 4:22 “For My people are foolish, they have not known Me. They are
stupid children, and they have no understanding. They are wise to do
evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.”
I was a stupid child, unknowing and ignorant and that is my
confession, but I purpose in my heart, I will not defile myself
Father, show me your good and teach me your way that I might not
stumble again. Like Daniel, bring me out of the furnace of affliction
and into your way.
Deu 4:20 “But יהוה [Yahweh] has taken you and brought you out of the
iron furnace, out of Mitsrayim, to be His people, an inheritance, as
it is today.
So let’s share together the story of Daniel:
Dan 3:12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of
the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego; these men,
O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy elohim, nor worship
the golden image which thou hast set up.
The story is set and Daniel has refused to break the commandment, even
knowing that surely Yahweh would have mercy. Rather than bend to the
traditions of man and then count on compassion, Daniel put his very
heart to do what is right and obey Yahweh at the cost of even his very
life.
Dan 3:17 If it be so, our Elohim whom we serve is able to deliver us
from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine
hand, O king.
Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not
serve thy elohim, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Now notice that Daniel doesn’t assume or know he is going to live and
he is ready to die for what he knows is right and pay with the highest
cost, his life.
Dan 3:19 Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his
visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego: therefore
he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven
times more than it was wont to be heated.
Dan 3:20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to
bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, and to cast them into the
burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and
their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of
the burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:22 Therefore because the kings commandment was urgent, and the
furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took
up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego.
Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, fell
down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in
haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three
men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the
king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in
the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the
fourth is like the Son of Elohim.
And then we see Yehoshua the Messiah in the fire with Daniel.
Now I hope and pray that none of us has to face the furnace but if we
do, I hope that you too are ready to be as uncompromising as Daniel to
obey the Torah of Yahweh. Don’t be foolish and seek your own will
being “wise to do evil”, take the inheritance of the servant with both
hands and Yahweh will reward you. Practice belief by keeping his word
and not just with your lips.
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and
honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and
understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that
which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Mat 12:36 “And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they
shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Be righteous in all your words! May Yahweh bless and keep you strong
and build you up.
Shalom,
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Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other
time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that
we seek.
Barack Obama
He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who
helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against
it is really cooperating with it.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Remember, a real decision is measured by the fact that you've taken
new action. If there's no action, you haven't truly decided.
Tony Robbins
All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is
everything. What we think we become.
Buddha
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on a tangent? Just take a break, okay?
"Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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On Dec 17, 6:00 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
> Snow, perhaps you should take a break from responding to Linda as I've
> asked
> her to do, at least for awhile to get a break. It seems that you've both
> brought each other to the edge and it's all useless anyway because we
> can't
> change another person's behavior. That's why, even though people think I'm
> losing an argument or that I'm afraid of their "superior" knowledg, I walk
> away from posts that I can see will go on and on without any conclusion.
>
> It IS a fact that people can argue for a lifetime on one issue. I know
> this
> and do not want to get into endless back and forth never getting anywhere.
Are you "Under the Law"? Without the law, you are LAWLESS and
preaching you are not under it means you preach lawlessness.
Mat 7:23 "And then I shall declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart
from Me, you who work lawlessness!'
Of the many false teachings of Christianity put forward by its
inventor Apostle Paul in the beast canon is that you are not under the
law. The classic misdirection is to say it is the "Law of Moses" but
a quick examination of the Torah shows otherwise:
Gen 26:5 because Ab_raham obeyed
Deu 4:31 "For Yahweh your Elohim is a compassionate El, He does not
Simply put:
away from it, so as to guard the commands of ???? [Yahweh] your Elohim
which I am commanding you.
The final lie of Paul is the statement:
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against
us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it
to his cross;
The Messiah refuted this claim personally:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.
Paul had no authority to make such a claim. Heaven and earth are
still hear and many prophecies have not been fulfilled. Still, those
who worship Paul will make claims to the contrary of the Messiah.
because they believe a lie, they want you to believe a lie because
they have NO LOVE.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Do you love Paul or the Messiah?
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being
crafty, I caught you with guile.
Paul wanted to destroy the Church of Yahweh by his own admission.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which (I destroyed), I make
myself a transgressor.
We must first ask our self, "What have we destroyed by listening to
Paul?"
Pro 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and
reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
We are destroying the lamp that leads us, the light within it and the
way to our own life.
Rev 18:23 "And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at
all. And the voice of bridegroom [Yehoshua] and bride [Yahweh] shall
not be heard in you any more at all. For your merchants were the great
ones of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were led
astray.
Shalom,
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Snow
> What the heck are you doing? I'm asking you to take a break and you go off
> on a tangent? Just take a break, okay?
I have.. I figure that as long as Linda must stalk my post.. I'll just
toss old post in the mix so at least if anybody waste their time with
this thread they get something of value out of it:)
“For what then do you need a Saviour?”
An excellent question and one that many people lost in dogma have
resisted understanding in worship of the flesh of Messiah Yehoshua.
The scriptures of the Hebrew prophets teach us several reasons,
Yehoshua was to be the “light of the gentiles” but they have rejected
him and instead follow after a translation and collection of works.
Isa 53:11 He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be
satisfied. Through His knowledge, My righteous Servant makes many
righteous, and He bears their crookednesses.
Many do not consider that the entire reason for sending his Messiah is
simply to teach us the knowledge of Elohim and to build the
congregation of YAHWEH.
“Ambition drove many men to become false; to have one thought locked
in the breast, another ready on the tongue.”
Sallust
The prophet Isaiah said that the Messiah:
Isa 49:6 and He says, “Shall it be a small matter for You to be My
Servant to
(1) raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to
(2) bring back the preserved ones of Isra’ĕl?
(3) And I shall give You as a light to the gentiles,
(4) to be -My deliverance- to the ends of the earth!”
In this one verse, we read 4 different missions of the Messiah, the
Servant of Yahweh. This teaching is confirmed in the Good News:
Luk 2:32 a light for the unveiling of the gentiles, and the esteem of
Your people Yisra’ĕl.”
Matthew specifically says:
Mat 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the
prophet, saying,
Mat 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them
which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. (Isa
9:2)
The understanding here should not be confused with simply being the
Flesh of Yehoshua for that ‘GREAT LIGHT’ was Yahweh, it was the
indwelling spirit that gives life. In understanding the principles of
the great light we must consider what is darkness? Of “Lucifer” the
dark branch that sees no dawn he convinces the people to ask:
Isa 14:10 “All of them respond and say to you, ‘Have you also become
as weak as we? Have you become like us?
That which makes you WEAK is darkness and with this comes illness in
the physical manifestation and eventually followed by death. Illness
after all begins in the mind and is the manifestation of that which is
in opposition to the spirit of YAHWEH our healer.
Exo 15:26 And He said, “If you diligently obey the voice of YAHWEH
your Elohim and do what is right in His eyes, and shall listen to His
commands and shall guard all His laws, I shall bring on you none of
the diseases I brought on the Mitsrites, for I am YAHWEH who heals
you.”
When we understand that it is the SPIRIT of Yahweh that heals, we
recognize to stop looking outside our own being because when we obey
the voice of Yahweh, we are connected to that infinite power.
Some people seem to have an issue with the idea of obedience to the
Torah and yet when one refers to the command, we recognize that we are
to “do what is right in his eyes”. I can’t think of any person that
would argue against doing what is right. So, in my opinion the
problem resides in how some people perceive the commands of Yahweh and
even further in dogmatic translations because at the most basic
understanding, it is the command that we do what is right and
righteous.
Almost all of Isaiah is written about the “light of the gentiles”:
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the
brightness of thy rising.
So, all the people of that day and age knew that the Messiah was for
the gentiles.
Mar 2:17 When Yehoshua heard it, he said to them, “They that are whole
have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to
call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
First off, the idea that you are unable to be righteous is not true.
Yehoshua came for the SINNERS, which is to say those who transgress
the Torah of Yahweh that they might be called out of rebellion.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Many people do not understand that he spoke in parables all the time.
When we understand that as a teacher, the messiah came to make others
strong mentally, physically and spiritually, we start to return to the
core understanding of what is Christ.
Luk 1:76 “And you, child, shall be called prophet of the Most High,
for you shall go before the face of Yahweh to prepare His ways,
Luk 1:77 to give knowledge of deliverance to His people, by the
forgiveness of their sins,
Luk 1:78 through the tender compassion of our Elohim, with which the
daybreak from on high has looked upon us,
Luk 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of
death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”
In essence, we must learn to be like Messiah but in reality we all
need a savior at times. If you are depressed, help somebody else in
need and in this we obey the spirit.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.”
Live your life by the golden rule and consider this:
Joh 14:20 “In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you
in Me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Guarding the commands, teaching as Yehoshua taught and taking up his
walk in life, can save and by definition makes you a savior of souls.
You can be a living example and be as the Master.
Luk 6:40 “A taught one is not above his teacher, but everyone
perfected shall be like his teacher.”
Be like the Messiah, make others strong in faith and teach forgiveness
of sins and turning the other cheek and all that he commanded.
Ultimately it is the spirit of Yahweh that is our savior and this
unlimited, all powerful spirit can be manifested according to the
Torah by obedience and belief but first… physician, heal thyself.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
A few can touch the magic string, and noisy fame is proud to win them:
Alas for those that never sing, but die with all their music in them!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Don't be afraid to give your best to what seemingly are small jobs.
Every time you conquer one it makes you that much stronger. If you do
the little jobs well, the big ones will tend to take care of
themselves.
Dale Carnegie
I
> "For what then do you need a Saviour?"
That is a different question to "Do we need a Messiah?"
The two are not the same.
Snow
Food for thought... What do you see as the primary difference Mark?
I think I understand but it would be good to learn your perspective of
this...
O
I'll take a break when she lets up with the lies, otherwise I'll
extend to he the same mercy she has shown to me, NONE.....
Snow
> > Alright, Rod. Take a break, okay?
>
> I'll take a break when she lets up with the lies, otherwise I'll
> extend to he the same mercy she has shown to me, NONE.....
One thing that is nice in using the browser is that the kill file with
Linda is one click on the monkey face using Firefox:) I think it's
good that a few other voices of peace have stepped in to correct both
of us.. I'm happy to listen and ignore her ... see if it does any
good... I suppose I'll find out it doesn't when I see you responding
to her..
Elohim and God
A recent post has reminded me that people still want to pervert the
truth. For some silly reason, people have started to convert to using
the title Elohim to replace “God” and this should not be done.
Elohim does NOT mean God and I can’t be any clearer than that. Elohim
means “mighty one” and while it is used many times as a title for our
Almighty, it is not his name. You cannot replace the title Elohim
with “God” and all versions of scriptures that do this are corrupted
and useless, fit only for fire.
In scriptures we have many different Elohim’s such as Moses and Israel
as a nation as recorded:
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
It’s silly that ISR made this title to be used without capitalizing it
to say it means something different.. “You are Elohim”, simply means
that you are made mighty by Yahweh, the Elohim of Elohims.
Deu 10:17 “For [Yahweh] יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and
Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no
partiality nor takes a bribe.
We can see here that there a many “mighty ones” but only one is our
Almighty. Simply put, Elohim is a plural title that can mean many
mighty ones or even a nation of mighty ones. God is a singular word
and a complete faulty mistranltion. Somebody named Frank recently
posted:
“Jesus is Yahweh (YHWH).
Jesus is Yahweh Elohim (LORD God).”
This is a completely ignorant and blasphemous statement. He is
attempting to again blend the mistranslations with what is truly
written in Hebrew. He wants to make his belief match up but this is
the same error that has been done for 2000 years now, out of
ignorance. I don’t think Frank is evil but he is attempting out of
vanity to reason old wine and new wine together in the same flask.
Mat 9:17 “Neither do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the
wineskins burst, and the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are
ruined. But they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are
preserved.”
Franks wine skin has burst. He wants to use Greek words still even
using mistranslated names for Yehoshua and maintain his old belief.
His sin is vanity. It is a vain man that is unable to recognize he is
wrong.
Joh 12:44 Then [Yehoshua] יהושע cried out and said, “He who believes
in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
To My brother Jonathan, John never at any point makes the false
assertion that Yehoshua was the Almighty. To the contrary as you see,
Yehoshua by John makes it clear that we do not worship his Messiah but
in (the spirit) of our heavenly Father who sent him.
Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
Father also does seek such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The Good News of John doesn’t lead us to false worship, only
mistranslation of the word Elohim to God allows that and the two words
have entirely different meanings. We are told to put away old things
and never to return to them.. “God” is not a title I use.. period…
it’s the name of Baal.
Yehoshua is ELOHIM, just like Moses or any other mighty one but that
does not make him the Almighty.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to [Yahweh]
יהוה of hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to [Yahweh] יהוה
because of the oppressors, He sends them a Saviour and an Elohim, and
shall deliver them.
Yahweh is our Savior for sending us an Elohim in Yehoshua and there is
none other.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else.
We have ONE SAVIOUR in Yahweh alone who sent us his Elohim and Savior
son Yehoshua.
Hos 2:16 “And it shall be, in that day,” declares [Yahweh] יהוה, “that
you call Me [One Husband] ‘אישׁ,’ and no longer call Me ‘My Baʽal.’
Hos 2:17 “And I shall remove the names of the Baʽals from her mouth,
and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
Hos 2:18 “And in that day I shall make a covenant for them with the
beasts of the field, and with the birds of the heavens, and with the
creeping creatures of the ground, when bow, and sword, and battle I
break from the earth. And I shall make them lie down in safety.
Hos 2:19 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take
you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and
kindness and compassion.
Hos 2:20 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me in trustworthiness,
and you shall know [Yahweh] יהוה.
Shalom,
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http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
“Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as
fast as you can to catch me. I thought I should call and let you know
how things stand. I know you're real proud of this world you've built,
the way it works, all the nice little rules and such, but I've got
some bad news. I've decided to make a few changes.”
Neo – The Matrix
http://www.e-sword.net/ Free bible software
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
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An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
O
> On Dec 17, 7:07 am, O <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Alright, Rod. Take a break, okay?
>> I'll take a break when she lets up with the lies, otherwise I'll
>> extend to he the same mercy she has shown to me, NONE.....
>
> One thing that is nice in using the browser is that the kill file with
> Linda is one click on the monkey face using Firefox:) I think it's
> good that a few other voices of peace have stepped in to correct both
> of us.. I'm happy to listen and ignore her ... see if it does any
> good... I suppose I'll find out it doesn't when I see you responding
> to her..
>
>
In spite of the fact that the lies about me will continue,
I'll take a break. Jude is right..
Jude Alexander
"O" <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hgbemk$4ul$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
She's not gay so why do you say so?
Jude Alexander
they have no conclusion and can be endless.
"Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
news:d4b4a6c6-772e-4b5b...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
(2) bring back the preserved ones of Isra'el?
(3) And I shall give You as a light to the gentiles,
(4) to be -My deliverance- to the ends of the earth!"
In this one verse, we read 4 different missions of the Messiah, the
Servant of Yahweh. This teaching is confirmed in the Good News:
Luk 2:32 a light for the unveiling of the gentiles, and the esteem of
Your people Yisra'el."
Matthew specifically says:
Torah by obedience and belief but first. physician, heal thyself.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Num 6:24 "Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace." '
Shalom,
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Snow
"Don't be afraid to give your best to what seemingly are small jobs.
Every time you conquer one it makes you that much stronger. If you do
the little jobs well, the big ones will tend to take care of
themselves."
Dale Carnegie
You really are a good friend.. even if we disagree on the topic of
religion.. I like that about you Rod.. that we can hold different
understanding of things and still respect each other.. thank you.
Remember to do something nice for that some one special in your
life... Just because.. no need to wait for X-mass to make them know
they are appreciated ... in the mean time.. I appreciate all the
voices of peace.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
Snow
> I'm not getting into these types of debates with you or anybody else because
> they have no conclusion and can be endless.
That's just it Jude.. Express your faith... speak about what you
believe.. this doesn't need to be a debate... isn't better to simply
express what you believe and leave it at that?
What do you believe and how has it helped you.. this is not for
debate.. I'd simply like to know what you think.. a statement because
that is what we all should be doing.. not wasting endless days posting
how this person and that person is wrong.. making statements that
say.. this is what I believe and it helps me this way.. it might help
you too ...
If we aren't about helping other people then we are wasting our time..
you've stepped in and tried to help and I am grateful for a peace
maker...
Mat 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, because they shall be called
sons of Elohim.
Notice that you too can be called, "a son of Elohim" according to the
teachings of scriptures:)
Hos 2:19 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take
you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and
kindness and compassion.
Hos 2:20 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me in trustworthiness,
and you shall know [Yahweh] יהוה.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
“Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as
fast as you can to catch me. I thought I should call and let you know
how things stand. I know you're real proud of this world you've built,
the way it works, all the nice little rules and such, but I've got
some bad news. I've decided to make a few changes.”
Neo – The Matrix
http://www.e-sword.net/ Free bible software
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
I
>> > "For what then do you need a Saviour?"
>> That is a different question to "Do we need a Messiah?"
>> The two are not the same.
>
> Food for thought... What do you see as the primary difference Mark?
A saviour saves / rescues one from something.
A messiah is one anointed by God and sent by God for a task. That task can
be rescue but it may not be. When Cyrus is called a messiah in Isaiah 45
his task was not rescuing Israel from captivity. He took Israel into
captivity. That was his task.
Paul wrote about Jesus first. I think his view is that Jesus was both a
saviour and messiah. Jesus has saved people from their sins through his
death and that is why he was sent. Paul, however, never met Jesus of
Nazareth yet this is the view that most Christians hold. Paul's ministry was
to "God fearers" / Noachides in the Jewish synagogues - Gentiles who had
some backround about Judaism because of their association with synagogue.
Mark's gospel is the first gospel written and upon which both Matthew and
Luke's gospel's are based. Mark portrays Jesus as a messiah calling people
back to God but not as a saviour. There is no theme of Jesus being a human
sacrifice to appease God and thereby being the "
lamb that takes away the sins of the world".
John's gospel is the last gospel written. The person who wrote it never met
Jesus. Jesus is portrayed as a human sacrifice to appease God though Jesus
is also portray AS God in this gospel.
What did Jesus view himself as?????? (This is about the quest for the
historical Jesus.)
The only way to know is NOT to go to Paul or John's gospel as neither ever
met Jesus but to go to Mark's gospel and the Q source material in Matthew
and Luke. This is not perfect but it is the closest material we have about
the real Jesus. The historical Jesus does not talk much about Gentiles.
His ministry is only to Jews ... except when a small number of Gentiles come
to him and beg to be helped.
The problem is that most Christians base their understanding of Jesus SOLELY
upon to two most dubious sources - Paul and John's gospel.
Have a look at the TOP VERSES quoted by Christians on the net.
My comments in * [ ...]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from http://www.topverses.com/
1. John 3:16
2. John 1:1
3. John 14:6
* [None of the above verses was ever stated by the hsitoric time / space
Jesus of Nazareth but are the invention of the writer of John's gospel.]
4. Matthew 28:19
*[An addition to Matthew's gospel that was never stated by the historic time
/space Jesus of Nazareth.]
5. Romans 3:23
6. Ephesians 2:8
7. Genesis 1:1
8. Acts 1:8
9. 2 Timothy 3:16 *[ A pseudograph / forgery]
10. Romans 10:9
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Of of the Top Ten Verses quoted NONE are from the mouth of the historic time
/ space Jesus of Nazareth!
On the same page the Top Ten Books ONLY John's gospel is mentioned from the
gospels.
On the same page the Top Ten Chapters ONLY John's gospel is mentioned from
the gospels.
People do not want to hear about the historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth
(Jesus before his death - only authentic Jesus) . They prefer the "Christ
of faith" which is what Jesus became in the eyes of Gentiles after 70 CE.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pre-Easter Jesus / Post-Easter Jesus
4 B.C.E. to 30 C.E. / 30 C.E. to present
Corporeal, human being of flesh and blood Spiritual / non-material
reality
Finite and mortal / Infinite, eternal
Human / Divine
A Jewish peasant / King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Figure of the past / Figure of the present
Jesus of Nazareth / Jesus Christ
Monotheistic Jew / Becomes the second person of the trinity, "God with a
human face"
Galilean Jew of the first century / "The Face of God" (metaphor based on
2 Cor. 4:6 Beholding the glory of God in the face of Christ)
The ONLY AUTHENTIC human time / space historic Jesus of Nazareth is the
Pre-Easter Jesus.
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Snow
> Paul wrote about Jesus first. I think his view is that Jesus was both a
> saviour and messiah. Jesus has saved people from their sins through his
> death and that is why he was sent. Paul, however, never met Jesus of
> Nazareth yet this is the view that most Christians hold. Paul's ministry was
> to "God fearers" / Noachides in the Jewish synagogues - Gentiles who had
> some backround about Judaism because of their association with synagogue.
Great posting Mark but let me share an old post with you:
Yehoshua started it being the “LIGHT OF THE GENTILES”.
A common misconception of the Christian nation is that Yehoshua
preached to Jews when in fact his very title, "light of the Gentiles"
should have given you the inclination that he preached to all nations.
Because Christians keeping a mistranslated version of scriptures has
led them to believe that only Paul was sent to Gentiles when in fact,
the Messiah and all his apostle went to gentiles:
Luk 2:32 a light for the unveiling of the gentiles, and the esteem of
Your people Yisra’ĕl.”
All the Apostle knew to deliver the message to the Gentiles.
Mat 12:18 “See, My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My
being did delight. I shall put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall
declare right-ruling to the Gentiles.
Mat 24:14 “And this Good News of the reign shall be proclaimed in all
the world as a witness to all the Gentiles, and then the end shall
come.
His final command was to go to the Gentiles:
Mat 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way
of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
Note this is quoting Isaiah 9 and I strongly recommend you read it:
Mat 28:19 “Therefore, go and make taught ones of all the Gentiles,
immersing them in the Name of the Father [Yahweh] and of the Son
[Yehoshua] and of the Set-apart Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to guard all that I have commanded you. And
see, I am with you always, until the end of the age.” Amĕn.
The fact is in Matthew 19, when the Messiah was in Judea, not Israel,
he preached the Ten Commandments on the other side of the Jordon
River:
Mat 19:1 And it came to pass, that when Yehoshua had finished these
sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea
beyond Jordan;
Mat 19:2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.
Those great multitudes were gentiles that followed him from "Galilee
of the Gentiles"
Mat 8:10 When Yehoshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that
followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no,
not in Israel.
In fact, much of the ministry of Messiah was in Gentile lands such as
Decopolis.
Mat 4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from
Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and
from beyond Jordan.
They first wrote of him in Gentile lands:
Mar 5:20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great
things Yahushua had done for him: and all men did marvel.
Deca is Greek for 10. This was a collection of 10 Roman cities. Let's
not forget his work in
Mar 8:27 And Yahushua went out, and his disciples, into the towns of
Caesarea Philippi:
Ceasarea is derived from "Caesar", it was purely a Roman enclave.
Unfortunately, Christians have altered the doctrine and the words of
the scriptures from the Greek to make it seem as if Paul was the only
one going to the Gentiles and that is far from the case, all of them
did.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
"Where possible he (Paul) avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in
fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know
that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount,
and had taught His disciples the 'Our Father.' Even where they are
specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Lord."
Albert Schweitzer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
or
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
"Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corrupter of the doctrines
of Jesus."
Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the Untied States
A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.
Mark Twain
Jude Alexander
statement somewhere. Here it is.
1. I believe in God, the creator of ALL things.
2. God is JUST and is capable of infinite knowledge and therefore God is
THE only Judge. We aren't even capable of judging ourselves, much less
others in any primary or final analysis. God's Judgment is and will be
perfect knowing everything, every thought, every action concerning every
decision ever made by everybody. We can't contain that type of information
in our brain and perhaps (guessing) for one person, all the computers in
existence could make an account/listing but there's no program a human being
could fathom to bring all that account/listing to bear in order to produce a
righteous judgment.
3. God is neither male no female (gender), black or white (race). These
are just human realities. Saying God is male or white is just a
projection of the writer/speaker.
4. God does NOT hate ANY created NOT MATTER HOW EVIL that created becomes.
5. God loves homosexual's JUST as they are as far as their orientation,
which is just a divergence from the norm like left handedness. Obviously,
there is male and female but then there are homosexuals born too. However,
they are subject to moderation and golden rule as well as need God just as
much as others.
6. The bible is NOT inerrant. God has chosen, for whatever reason,(since
God's not telling no on can give the reason) to NOT give us the type of
information people like to think they have with their belief that the bible
IS inerrant "word of God." The bible is an errant work of men who wished to
pass on their understanding of God and Jesus, however we should not blindly
accept their perception without thinking for ourselves and being able to see
the errors in some of their perceptions. I don't seek to know God by
reading about Him. You can't know someone personally by reading about Him.
He is TRULY found through prayer and meditation.
7. All religions have corrupted God's "image" in some way.
8. Moderation and the golden rule are the aim but to expect those aims to
be reached completely is ridiculous and to condemn those that aren't able to
live them is ridiculous. If an individual uses such a standard to "play
games" and do less than they're able and think they've fooling the Infinite
in the playing, then they're not very smart or sane.
9. Self examination is can overdone and underdone. One will crush you
spiritually and the other will keep you living in a spiritual fog.
10. Self love is NOT a sin and it is NOT THE sign of a fallen nature. It is
only when it becomes "the all" of a person that it becomes a sin.
11. People are capable of/have impulses to do BOTH good (prosperous acts)
and bad (destructive acts) and are NOT just evil.
12. The love of power/control (in it's seemingly infinite expressions) is
THE sin from which all other sins branch. All acts against God and against
other humans is an act of taking control from or away from others. Again,
this can be expressed in the Golden Rule.
13. I believe in PROVEN science vs. the bible because God & PROVEN science
can not contradict each other! I believe in limited evolution. For
example: In the arctic, the most light haired animals survived the longest
and therefore lived longer and passed on their "light haired" genes. This
circumstance lead to some arctic animals to have pure white hair over a time
period. As we become more learned on the subject, this belief is subject to
change. I believe in big bang. I don't believe in creation story of the
bible regarding 7 days. The Universe is at least 4.5 billions years old.
14. I believe that Jesus was born of God NOT like us yet was NOT God, the
creator. I don't believe in the Trinity in the way fundamentalist do,but
that
He was imbued with God's power/essence is such a way as to be a virtual
reflection of God and was as ONE WITH God. I believe that Jesus is the WAY
to God and forgiveness for our sins, and that he died and was resurrected to
open the WAY for me and others and was before closed.
15. Politically, I'm a moderate and am a registered Independent. :)
"Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
news:bff2217f-359b-453c...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 7:28 am, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
> I'm not getting into these types of debates with you or anybody else
> because
> they have no conclusion and can be endless.
That's just it Jude.. Express your faith... speak about what you
believe.. this doesn't need to be a debate... isn't better to simply
express what you believe and leave it at that?
What do you believe and how has it helped you.. this is not for
debate.. I'd simply like to know what you think.. a statement because
that is what we all should be doing.. not wasting endless days posting
how this person and that person is wrong.. making statements that
say.. this is what I believe and it helps me this way.. it might help
you too ...
If we aren't about helping other people then we are wasting our time..
you've stepped in and tried to help and I am grateful for a peace
maker...
Mat 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, because they shall be called
sons of Elohim.
Notice that you too can be called, "a son of Elohim" according to the
teachings of scriptures:)
Hos 2:19 "And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take
you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and
kindness and compassion.
Hos 2:20 "And I shall take you as a bride unto Me in trustworthiness,
and you shall know [Yahweh] ????.
Shalom,
*��)
�..� �..*��) �..*�)
(�..� (�.. (Snow(.�..*��)
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
"Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as
fast as you can to catch me. I thought I should call and let you know
how things stand. I know you're real proud of this world you've built,
the way it works, all the nice little rules and such, but I've got
some bad news. I've decided to make a few changes."
Neo - The Matrix
http://www.e-sword.net/ ? Free bible software
O
She lies about me, I lie about her.
Why ? I'll tell you why. This started some time back
when she returned from whatever to find that snow and
I were on speaking terms. She then proceeded to demean
and belittle me for being decent, where I then retaliated
and let her have it back by telling her that she is wrong
about snow, where she then began calling me names and lying
about my motives, which she could NOT have known because
I have never been able to have a civil discussion with her
about the smallest thing. I then returned the favor and called
her a bitch because of the way she carries on in public. She
then called me another name, and I retaliated with describing
how she acts on usenet, comparing her actions to those of a
street whore. And since then there have been labels and words
said on both sides of this fight. However, I'm not a christian
and I won't stand back and live by their principles when they cannot
stand to abide by them their selves!
The truth is that Linda started this lying campaign and I responded
as I have. It isn't up to Linda to dictate whom I can and cannot
speak with, in spite of what she thinks or how much she detests
them. I make my own decisions and need no ones approval.
I
> A common misconception of the Christian nation is that Yehoshua
> preached to Jews when in fact his very title, "light of the Gentiles"
> should have given you the inclination that he preached to all nations.
That can only be thought of if all parts of the gospels are equal ... and
they aren't!
> Luk 2:32
A commentary by Luke who never met Jesus and is writing from the viewpoint
of later Gentiles.
> Mat 12:18
A commentary by Matthew who never met Jesus and is writing from the
viewpoint of later Gentiles.
> Mat 24:14
A statement placed in the mouth of Jesus by Matthew which reflects the later
Gentile church's mission. It is Matthew's retelling of Mark 13:9-13 which
had come to pass at the time of Matthew's writing.
> Mat 4:15
Matthew's commentary reflecting the view of the later Gentile church.
> Mat 28:19 -20
A statement placed in the mouth of Jesus by Matthew which reflects the later
Gentile church's mission. Jesus never stated it.
> Mat 19:1-2 ... Those great multitudes were gentiles that followed him
> from "Galilee of the Gentiles"
You have read too much into the text.
> Mat 8:10
A story retold from Q used by Matthew, Luke and John though all have retold
the story differently. Matthew's version reflects the life of the early
Gentile church.
Of all the above references NONE are the authentic words of Jesus and NONE
come the earliest gospel (Mark). It is predominantly from matthew's gospel
and reflects Matthew's understanding of the Gentile churcjh post 70 CE which
he has them placed upon Jesus' lips or told to reflect similar things in
Jesus' lifetime.
The definitive book on the historical Jesus is John Dominic Crossan's "The
Historical Jesus: The life of a Mediterranean Jewish peasant"
(HarperOne:1991).
Jewish presence in areas that you say are all Gentile is well documented in
books such as John Dominic Crossan & Jonathan L Reed "Excavating Jesus:
Beneath the stones, behind the texts" (harperSanFrancisco:2001).
There is nothing in either the biblical texts or archeology that suggests
that Jesus went to Gentiles. In fact, the opposite is true. When Jesus
sends out his disciples during his lifetime he forbids them to go to
Gentiles but only to Jews - Matthew 10:5-6
O
> "Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:65fa41f7-9847-4ed5...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 12:15 pm, "Jude Alexander" <whate...@thispoint.why> wrote:
>> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:427dacb0-50e3-4864...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>
> They both like to play with Christians. When Rod was
> pretending to be interested in Christianity, he e-mailed
> me asking me to come visit him and asking where I live.
> Why would he do that when his interest in
> religion was a pretense? And now he's so
> openly hateful; I think he would have had a
> surprise for me in store if I'd responded to
> his invitation to visit him.
Jude..this above is one of the lies she has been putting out
about me. She started putting this out AFTER we had a parting
of ways over me speaking with snow. Why ? She expected me to
side with her against snow when she was plainly in the wrong.
At the time I was trying to become a Christian and seriously
interested in it, but no longer. I have an intense hatred for
many christians and their religion, and I'm making no excuses.
In point of fact I have found the email she has been trying to locate,
and I simply said that my home was open to her and other christians
should they ever find themselves in this area. Part of my intentions
were to make as many new friends as possible in the christian
communities across the US.
Linda is an extremist and a liar, and I'll post the email I sent her
below, complete with header info.
From - Thu June 10 13:25:18 2009
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000
X-Mozilla-Keys:
Message-ID: <4L21373D...@att.net>
Date: Thu, 10 June 2009 13:25:18 -0600
From: Rod <*****@att.net>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: lindag...@juno.com
Subject: My experience at the revival..
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>Rod, just remember not to tell anyone on usenet about your experience
>>because they may not believe it.
Okay Linda, I'll keep it to myself. I and my wife would enjoy meeting
you and other christians, should you ever be down this way, so my home
is open to any christians traveling thru the state.
God Bless...and thanks!
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There you have it Jude, the horrible and improper proposal that Linda
claims I made but never provides.
dolf
dolf
On 17/12/09 7:07 AM, O wrote:
Nous: #58
Time: 10:25 hrs
Date: 2009.8.30
Torah: #20 #5 #400 %81 = #20
Dao: Political Reversal, Adaptation to Change
Tetra: #29 - Decisiveness
I-Ching: H43 - Resolution
Latin: Erector {Adorable God} Alt: Poiel {Mouth of God} {
1. TO OBTAIN BLESSING AND PROTECTION AGAINST EVIL SPIRITS
2. AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE
3. THE HUNT
4. Asicat
}
Methuselah {Man of the dart/javelin (weapon, missile, sprout), He has
sent his death}
Strata Super (male): #372
32 #32 Natural Guide, Virtue of Holiness
41 #9 Inconstancy of Achievement, Practicing Placidity
72 #31 Military Stratagem, Quelling War
114 #42 Generating Things, Reason's Modifications
177 #63 Origins in Reversal, Consider Beginnings
220 #43 Absolute Negation, It's Universal Application
261 #41 Playing with Reversal, Sameness in Difference
292 #31 Military Stratagem, Quelling War
372 #80 Primitivist Independence, Remaining in Isolation
Strata Ego (female): #404
32 #32 Natural Guide, Virtue of Holiness
90 #58 Political Reversal, Adaptation to Change
112 #22 Point to Reversal?, Humility's Increase
123 #11 Value and Function of Non-Existence
144 #21 Guiding the Physical, Emptying the Heart
205 #61 Virtuous Humility at Using 'Beneath'
284 #79 Recognizing Agreements, Keeping Obligations
355 #71 Know-How as a Disease, Disease of Knowledge
404 #49 Sage's Constancy, Trust in Virtue
Rod
> They are getting a tad outrageously offensive in their deranged discourse.
Happy to see you are still alive, Dolf.