Christ is the Foundation of this Calling and Election

Calvin Ramsey

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Dec 4, 2011, 7:25:05 AM12/4/11

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Then what is the end of election, but just that, being adopted as sons
by the heavenly Father, we may by his favor obtain salvation and
immortality? How much soever you may speculate and discuss you will
perceive that in its ultimate object it goes no farther. Hence, those
whom God has adopted as sons, he is said to have elected, not in
themselves, but in Christ Jesus (Eph. 1:4); because he could love them
only in him, and only as being previously made partakers with him,
honor them with the inheritance of his kingdom.

from: John Calvin, The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3,
Chapter 24. (Tr. Henry Beveridge)

For those of you with an interest in learning more about
Augustinianism and Predestination as well as other fascinating topics,
you will find lots of articles to read or listen to on your mp3
player, while at home or at work, from these websites:

*See especially* : http://www.the-highway.com/Calvinism_Meeter.html

http://www.ccel.org/

http://www.monergism.com/

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/whatismonergism2.html

http://www.monergism.com/mp3/

http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/

http://carm.org/predestination-and-election

http://www.the-highway.com/predestination_index.html

http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/predestination/verses_concerning_predestination.htm

http://nicenecouncil.com/media/

http://www.the-highway.com/calvinism.html

http://philofreligion.homestead.com/plantingapage.html

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/

http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/

http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/science.html

http://www.godandscience.org/

http://www.evidenceforchristianity.org/

http://www.whitehorseinn.org/

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/hall.htm

http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/classic.htm

http://www.wabashcenter.wabash.edu/resources/result_browse.aspx?topic=675&pid=650

http://www.puritansermons.com/toc.htm

http://www.grmi.org/renewal/Richard_Riss/evidences/

Loirbaj

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Dec 4, 2011, 7:29:50 AM12/4/11

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As a clarion's call your postings urge the atheists to
throw off the 'old man of corruption' and to head out
to Church this good Sabbath. Who among them here
will take up the call, today!

Budikka666

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Dec 4, 2011, 7:37:04 AM12/4/11

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On Dec 4, 6:25 am, Calvin Ramsey <calram...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Then what is the end of election, but just that, being adopted as sons
> by the heavenly Father

Why don't you present your evidence (positive scientific or
independent objective) for the existence of this Jesus Christ, miracle
working son of a god, and you and I will formally debate it right
here?

If he doesn't exist, you're wasting your time spamming a.a. with this
material (which is actually contrary to the policy of the alt.atheism
news group), aren't you? It's not very Christian to do that, is it?

I'm right here if you can find the guts and the evidence.

Or you can run like you theists always do when challenged, lousy
witnesses that you are. It's your "free-will" choice.

Budikka

Loirbaj

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Dec 4, 2011, 7:47:35 AM12/4/11

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old man budikka tried his familiar evasion
I'm right here if you want to debate..

BroilJAB said,
You still running from ME, old timer?
HELL yes I continue to demand you Debate me.
Now, send me your CV and contact information
so we can get this started, old feller. I did a google
and was shocked that I have run you PLUMB OUT
of my ATC group and your 'net presence' now is near
ZERO, while BroilJAB romps, and stomps snakes. LOL

"Barney Frank made it possible to be an
intellectually fulfilled Child Molester." - Dahmer

"It's highly plausible that in the day I became
homosexualized, that day I began my cowardly
rapes and murders of young boys." - Dahmer

Budikka666

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Dec 4, 2011, 3:00:23 PM12/4/11

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On Dec 4, 6:47 am, Loirbaj <Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> HELL yes I continue to demand you Debate me.

I accept your acceptance of my longstanding offer to debate you.
Please post your best evidence for the existence of this god of yours
and I will respond to it.

> Now, send me your CV and contact information

Why? Since the debate is being conducted right here in this thread,
you already know how to contact me. Since neither you nor I will be
using our own original research in this debate how is either of our
cvs relevant?

I await your posting your best evidence for the existence of the god
you continue to champion, so far without a an iota of evidence in
support of it.

Or you can run away from me as you have done over fifty times:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d608e83b35a9922
http://tinyurl.com/3hwywdl
http://tinyurl.com/7yyx83c
http://tinyurl.com/8yobgg4
http://tinyurl.com/6wk79as

Budikka

Loirbaj

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Dec 4, 2011, 4:00:14 PM12/4/11

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BroilJAB said,
You still running from ME, old timer?

HELL yes I continue to demand you Debate me.

Now, send me your CV and contact information

so we can get this started, old feller. I did a google
and was shocked that I have run you PLUMB OUT
of my ATC group and your 'net presence' now is near
ZERO, while BroilJAB romps, and stomps snakes. LOL

Ian Wood says,
NO he refuses to send contact info or even his CV.

BroilJAB said,
Keep running old timer. LOL

Virgil

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Dec 4, 2011, 5:48:26 PM12/4/11

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In article
<8b359ff4-9f4a-4707...@d10g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

Only abysmal self-complacency can see in
Man a reason which Omniscience could
consider adequate as a motive for the
Creator. The Copernican revolution will not
have done its work until it has taught men
more modesty than is to be found among
those who think Man sufficient evidence of
Cosmic Purpose.
毅ertrand Russell

What's anti-scientific about a commitment to theism?

The anti-scientific part is the commitment to a prior conclusion,
especially when that commitment is explicitly made to reject any
interpretation that conflict with that prior conclusion. In this
example, creatioinism, that prior conclusion is a theism rooted in
forms of biblical literalism.

The apriori rejection of upsetting conclusions is anti-science.
Further, the mission driven scheme of ID to reach specific apriori
conclusions is just as anti-scientific.
--

Budikka666

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Dec 5, 2011, 7:10:59 AM12/5/11

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I see you ran like the worthless gutter coward you are. After all
your bluster and bravado about taking me on, whenever I get in your
face and call you on it, YOU RUN every time as you have over FIFTY
times before:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d608e83b35a9922
http://tinyurl.com/3hwywdl
http://tinyurl.com/7yyx83c
http://tinyurl.com/8yobgg4
http://tinyurl.com/6wk79as

You can hide behind you pathetic excuses that you think are smart, but
which are in fact as transparent to everyone else on Usenet as they
are to me.

Keep running you worthless chickenshit creationist, trumpeting your
worthless creationist god. I own you.

Budikka

Loirbaj

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Dec 5, 2011, 8:11:11 AM12/5/11

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All as a clarion's call your postings urge the atheists to

throw off the 'old man of corruption' and to head out
to Church this good Sabbath. Who among them here
will take up the call, today!

old man budikka said,
I refuse to provide basic contact info or my CV
and so will not face you, Dr.BroilJAB, in debate.

BroilJAB laughed heartily, relit briar pipe

"Darwin made it possible to be an
intellectually fulfilled atheist." - Dawkins

Mogons

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Dec 5, 2011, 9:47:41 AM12/5/11

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Only the weak need church to find God.

mogons

Budikka666

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Dec 5, 2011, 11:51:46 AM12/5/11

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LiarBoi Loirbaj's Fifty Acts of Rank Cowardice:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d608e83b35a9922
and just to prove that the first fifty weren't a fluke:

http://tinyurl.com/3hwywdl
http://tinyurl.com/7yyx83c
http://tinyurl.com/8yobgg4
http://tinyurl.com/6wk79as

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