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Sugien
could care less. I did however see that I had received lower scores on a
few then I remember; but when I said all the scores were over a hundred
except for the AFQT and that it was 73 out of a possible 75, I was in error
it was 72 out of a possible 75. Also the military always retests you after
you get into basic; because the first test is pre-enlistment usually either
earlier the same day you enlisted as with me or a few days previous. I did
however get over 100 on everything except for the AFQT; but that was on the
retest; because I noticed I did get less then 100 on 3 of them prior to the
retest; but as I said all are over 100. As for what each stands for I am
not certain I do know however that the EL is electronics because I needed
over 110 to get into electronics AIT. And as they say, that is that let the
chips fall where they may; because it maters little to me; but I have always
been a man of my word and have not in my entire life ever broken it as a
friend said "If you gave me your word Chillicothe was going to flood, I
would either leave town or buy a boat"
LOL, almost forgot here is the URL
http://www.dino-soft.org/201.jpg
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:05:27 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
<snip>
Thank you for posting your 201. I do not believe you altered it,
except for removing your personal info, as you stated. (That doesn't
mean you *didn't*, lol -- but I don't think you did.)
First off, and I'm being completely serious here, you served in the
military and went to Vietnam -- that is something to be proud of. No
one can tease you about your service to your country. Anyone who
*does* should have their butt kicked. (Now, the fact that you served
your country as a "Data Input Specialist" -- well, that's another
story, lol.) But seriously, I and everyone else here on acv
congratulate you for being a vet. :-)
Now, not knowing what the numbers in your scores meant (I thought
when you said "scores", it was on basic school stuff, like reading,
writing, arithmetic, etc. -- how would *I* know?) I sent your 201 to
my company's former CSO for translation. (He was an officer in the
Air Force, and, fwiw, has the highest security clearance level there
is.) This was his response:
"It's really a moot point. Both tests were conducted in August of
1971 (the date format is YYMMDD). You may want to point that out to
him and suggest he provide something a bit more current and
substantial. A CISSP perhaps."
That's from *him*. Now, from *me*...
As for applying your Army aptitude scores to "the real world"...
You may have scored well in electronics and other trades, but these
"scores" cannot apply to "life" as we know it. How well do you read?
How's your reading comprehension skills? Can you speak clearly and
concisely? Can you <snicker> spell?
How about your social skills? Can you hold a conversation with
others? Do you play well with others? Do you leave the refrigerator
door open or run with scissors? (j/k on the last two.)
The Army may have taught you how to fight and fix typewriters, but do
you have common sense? Can you tell the difference between right and
wrong? e.g. the tired ol' "coderipping" argument and other assorted
worm-wrigglings that have been discussed here "ad infanitam" [sic].
Sugien, I don't think you're a complete imbecile -- I don't think
*anyone* here really does... But otoh, I certainly don't think you're
<snicker> an Albert Einstein, or to be more current -- a Marilyn vos
Savant.
And speaking of which... Merriam-Webster Online defines "idiot
savant" as:
1: a mentally defective person who exhibits exceptional skill or
brilliance in some limited field
2: a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows
little about anything else
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=idiot+savant+
I'm sure you did an excellent job repairing typewriters, and learning
how to use a gun. (And shoot out your window, lol!)
And again, we're all truly proud of you for serving your country, and
glad that you returned home to become the person you are today.
(Well, the *first* part, anyway, lol.)
Now, how 'bout answering Guillermito's question about you being a
"code thief" re. the demo he cites in the acv post, below:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E25621A32
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:05:27 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
> wrote in post:
> <snip>
>
> Thank you for posting your 201. I do not believe you altered it,
Well, well you are not completely stupid:)
> except for removing your personal info, as you stated. (That doesn't
> mean you *didn't*, lol -- but I don't think you did.)
>
> First off, and I'm being completely serious here, you served in the
> military and went to Vietnam -- that is something to be proud of. No
> one can tease you about your service to your country. Anyone who
> *does* should have their butt kicked. (Now, the fact that you served
> your country as a "Data Input Specialist" -- well, that's another
> story, lol.) But seriously, I and everyone else here on acv
> congratulate you for being a vet. :-)
I served using several MOS- Military Occupational Specialties
and yes one of them very early on was Clerk Typist
>
> Now, not knowing what the numbers in your scores meant (I thought
> when you said "scores", it was on basic school stuff, like reading,
> writing, arithmetic, etc. -- how would *I* know?) I sent your 201 to
> my company's former CSO for translation. (He was an officer in the
> Air Force, and, fwiw, has the highest security clearance level there
> is.) This was his response:
The clearance is doubtful; but I have not reason to believe he would lie
about such a thing. However I would require proof or at least him telling
me some of the same stuff I know about or at least some of the procedures;
before I would say anything I know:o) But really what's he got "S" or
Secret; which by the way any one that has served in the military during time
of way and was in the field was given at least a "S". Or a "TS" Top Secret
That is one level up and usually only either short sleeve types in a war
zone or officers or NCOIC's (Non Commissioned Officer In Charge) After that
you get more up into my range<s> I know how I can tell if he is the real
deal, Just ask him if he knows what a "Q" is (and no I am not talking about
sill butt wipe 4Q) if he at least knows what it is then I would most
probably believe he has the clerance he says he does.
>
> "It's really a moot point. Both tests were conducted in August of
> 1971 (the date format is YYMMDD). You may want to point that out to
> him and suggest he provide something a bit more current and
> substantial. A CISSP perhaps."
I did tell you they were back from 71 and that was back when I was still a
18 year old still wet behind the ears young pup. Although I have continued
my life long love of learning as much as I can about as many different and
varying subjects as I can, I have lately been zeroing in on a few less to
keep from diversifying too much and not being able to give each the
attention they not only need; but rather what they deserver and indeed must
have in order to make it worth doing at all.
>
> That's from *him*. Now, from *me*...
>
> As for applying your Army aptitude scores to "the real world"...
>
> You may have scored well in electronics and other trades, but these
> "scores" cannot apply to "life" as we know it. How well do you read?
Well for an old Woods speed reader I still do quite well even though
attaining at my peak 2300WPM almost killed my joy of reading even with a
90+% comprehension by tests. I even learned the old way with the sort of
slide projector that projected the moving black space faster and faster over
the page and then progressing to paragraph reading and then page skimming.
Even though I could read far more material I enjoyed far less. I still
however found I had to slow back down almost to a normal reading speed where
technical manuals were concerned.
> How's your reading comprehension skills? Can you speak clearly and
> concisely? Can you <snicker> spell?
See above for the first part, Not only can I speak clearly and concisely I
can also enunciate properly:o) And yes believe it or not I can spell, well
with one qualification. In order for me to spell accurately I have to slow
down and then my mind races ahead far faster then my spelling can keep up.
Then when I start typing or writing long hand as fast as what my mind is
going then my spelling suffers (thank goodness for spelling checkers *and
contrary to popular beliefs I do have and use one and do even have a grammar
checker but don't use that*) If you think my spelling is bad here when I
get to going you should see my handwriting if I don't keep myself slowed
down; because it can turn into, well suffice it to say my wife said with
handwriting like mine I would have made a good doctor, lol
>
> How about your social skills? Can you hold a conversation with
> others? Do you play well with others? Do you leave the refrigerator
> door open or run with scissors? (j/k on the last two.)
I use to perform on stage and others have told me I have what is called
"Stage Presence", and have also been told that likewise when I walk into a
room or a party others know even if they don't know me, or of me, lol. Hmmm
play way with others depends on the others; because I always try and treat
others the way I wish to be treated, well in RL I do
>
> The Army may have taught you how to fight and fix typewriters, but do
> you have common sense? Can you tell the difference between right and
You are letting Nick's assumptions lead you astray. Contrary to what you
may believe I have never fixed typewriters; but have fixed electronic
equipment, even some classified stuff out in the field. Did you know that
at one time a satellite field phone was classified TS? well it was but has
since been declassified. The were classified that I guess because the NSA
didn't want anyone to know we had that capability back in 72<g>but then even
back then we had, wgb and lgb's (laser and wire guided bombs we tested in
Nam what was used in Desert Storm)
> wrong? e.g. the tired ol' "coderipping" argument and other assorted
> worm-wrigglings that have been discussed here "ad infanitam" [sic].
I am not going over that dead dog as far as I am concerned suffice it
to say for about the last time I am going to kick that dogs butt, I can
*NOT* steal or what you call *coderip* what is given away for free. Now
whether or not I was or am morally obligated to give the authors credit most
programmers would probably say I should but none can tell me I must; because
legally I don NOT have to, and for my own personal reasons I CHOOSE not to.
I am NOT legally required to do so and will NOT. I did for a while bow to
popular opinion and give some limited credit; but I have since rechecked and
double and triple checked and I am NOT legally required to and am not going
to. If you think that makes me a bad programmer so be it I can live with
that. I don't think it makes me a bad person; because it is legal.
I program the way I do because I have far to many other things that I
enjoy considerable more then programming that I would rather fill my head
with then to try and remember how to properly form a subroutine when I can
legally go to a code source site that says I can build myself a code snippet
library and legally use that library to make programs. That same site says
that if I choose I can legally take entire programs from the site and simply
wrap it into my logo and name and even rename it what I like and even sell
it if I like and NEVER give credit if I so choose, and I so choose. About
the only two things that site (and numerous others) don't allow is to take
code in its' entirety and put my name on it and compile and then resubmit
the changed code back to the site for the contest (which I do not). They
also don't allow me to redistribute the entire source code of any program
to anyone; but don't have any such hindrances for a single subroutine or
several from a program, or to just like to the source code on their sites,
which I of course do not do either.
>
> Sugien, I don't think you're a complete imbecile -- I don't think
Dang and after all my hard work, are you sure<s>
> *anyone* here really does... But otoh, I certainly don't think you're
> <snicker> an Albert Einstein, or to be more current -- a Marilyn vos
> Savant.
I have never claimed to be, well unless trying a little SE'ing, te he he
I am not a genius; but have been told several times that I am well above
average intelligence; but personally I think I am most probably of average
intelligence; but suffice it to say I get by and have never had much
difficulty in understanding the big words, spelling them sometimes yes (When
I get to going to fast) understanding and using them no<s>
>
> And speaking of which... Merriam-Webster Online defines "idiot
> savant" as:
>
> 1: a mentally defective person who exhibits exceptional skill or
> brilliance in some limited field
>
> 2: a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows
> little about anything else
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=idiot+savant+
>
> I'm sure you did an excellent job repairing typewriters, and learning
I still find it hard to believe that even you fell for that trick of Nicks,
lol, go right on thinking I am a typewriter repairman makes little
difference to me.
> how to use a gun. (And shoot out your window, lol!)
>
> And again, we're all truly proud of you for serving your country, and
I did what I did for my country because my country asked me to, and I did so
for my own reasons. Probably not for what most think; but rather for
personal reasons. I didn't do so out of any gung ho Rambo type of macho
want to John Wayne run out and see what it feels like to actually for real
kill some one; but rather to, well partly just because I wanted to have that
experience of being in a foreign land defending my country doing something
so real that other people can only read about it or watch a movie about it
and I wanted to know what a true life experience like that, felt like for my
self, instead of trying to read some authors interpretation of it and trying
to experience it second hand so to speak, and yes some of it was because it
was the most dangerous thing I had ever up to that point. I learned a lot
about myself that I don't think I could have learned anywhere else by any
other means. Some of which I already knew about my self which it confirmed
and some which I had guessed at and some I had no idea that I felt that way
about some of the things I saw and did there. I don't deserve any praises;
but likewise I don't deserve any put downs for the time I spent there. If I
were asked again to do the same thing, even knowing what I know now with
20-20 hind site, I most probably would do it all over again; but maybe with
just a few changes, just because.
> glad that you returned home to become the person you are today.
> (Well, the *first* part, anyway, lol.)
I am glad of both parts. I am more or less exactly how I wish to be. I
know of a lot of things I could have done and would have in my past; but I
would have needed to have wanted it a whole lot more then I did in order for
me to have went after it as whole hardheadedly as it would have required to
have got to that point where basically I could do what I do now; but only
with better toys; because for the most part I can do just about what ever I
want any and every day of the week. If you think about it, I live sort of
like what Elvis and Howard Hughes did in the later parts of their life's<s>
I can study what I like, when I like, how I like. I can even study and see
more then either of they could simply because I have the whole world at my
finger tips. I don't have a lot of money; but I do have a lot of RL friends
and even more web friends, I have a loving wife and good kids. To put it
far better then I ever could I will say paraphrasing Mell Brooks in one of
his movies "It's good to be the Sugien". I can say that because I am truly a
lucky and very happy man.
>
> Now, how 'bout answering Guillermito's question about you being a
> "code thief" re. the demo he cites in the acv post, below:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?E25621A32
>
I have answered that before and not going to kick that dead dog again. You
can believe what you want because you will any way no mater what the
evidence to the contrary so why should I continue.
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Its been nice sparing with you these past several days and I will give you
the benefit of the doubt and call it a draw; but then I am a nice guy<VBFG>
There are a few others however that are far behind and they can bite me<s>
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:59:27 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
<snip>
Why, Sugien -- that post was almost succinct! (Note, I said
"almost".)
If you leave out the ramblings; long, boring, drawn-out dramas;
aimless wandering and several typos, it could actually be *read*! And
even kinda sorta *understood*! ;-)
But then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like...
>...If you think about it, I live sort of like what Elvis and Howard
>Hughes did in the later parts of their life's<s>
(Sigh... Oh well... As I always say, "people don't change".)
>...To put it far better then I ever could I will say paraphrasing
>Mell Brooks in one of his movies "It's good to be the Sugien".
Sounds like a good title for one of your "orignal" [sic] poems. (Go
for it.)
>...I am truly a lucky and very happy man.
And I'm truly happy for you. Now answer Guillermito's question about
you being a "code thief" re. the demo he cites in the acv post,
below:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E25621A32
Oh, and tweeze your eyebrows. Too bushy and long. Make you look like
a http://www.geocities.com/queenofcyberspace/soooooge2.jpg.
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[snip]
respect.
-A
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:00:33 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Lee
<gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk> wrote in post:
Uh, well, not really. Not re. "coderipping", anyway. Re-read the
ENTIRE thread from 1991 posted by Guillermito:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D28352E32
andi, you replied in it -- as did I, Nick, and others.
P.S. Thanks, Guillermito for posting that one, too. Forgot about that
sad episode in acv. :-(
P.P.S. But let's not forget Sooooooge's military record. He *did*
serve in Vietnam. So let's not diss him over *that*. (Other stuff
like *coderipping*, yes, lol -- but not the Army.)
Thanks for the nice usenet message.
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>
>
> Uh, well, not really. Not re. "coderipping", anyway. Re-read the
> ENTIRE thread from 1991 posted by Guillermito:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?D28352E32
1991?
whoa girl,
you making me feel older than my time <g>
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:10:25 -0700, Bart Bailey <bar...@nethere.net>
wrote in post:
>1991?
>whoa girl,
>you making me feel older than my time <g>
(Whoops.) 2001.
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Sugien
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:59:27 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
> wrote in post:
> <snip>
>
> Why, Sugien -- that post was almost succinct! (Note, I said
> "almost".)
>
> If you leave out the ramblings; long, boring, drawn-out dramas;
> aimless wandering and several typos, it could actually be *read*! And
> even kinda sorta *understood*! ;-)
>
> But then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like...
>
> >...If you think about it, I live sort of like what Elvis and Howard
> >Hughes did in the later parts of their life's<s>
It is true in as much as I very seldom leave my house (as did they) I can do
just about what I like; because being disabled just as long as I can
tolerate the pain, I can indulge myself in any pastime that strikes my
fancy. (as did they) and a few other things.
>
> (Sigh... Oh well... As I always say, "people don't change".)
all people change with time even you; it is just that most won't believe
they do or admit it.
>
> >...To put it far better then I ever could I will say paraphrasing
> >Mell Brooks in one of his movies "It's good to be the Sugien".
>
> Sounds like a good title for one of your "orignal" [sic] poems. (Go
> for it.)
I try and write at least one poem every day; but I just have not chosen to
share any publicly since the early 90's
>
> >...I am truly a lucky and very happy man.
>
> And I'm truly happy for you. Now answer Guillermito's question about
> you being a "code thief" re. the demo he cites in the acv post,
> below:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?E25621A32
I already told you I am not going to kick that dead dog any longer, I
defended the truth of the mater to my satisfaction, and no use rehashing it;
because you and others will believe what you want anyway so what's the
point? You will just have to wait until I release another software title.
(btw, I am thinking of writing a program about you and of course it is a
joke program)
>
> Oh, and tweeze your eyebrows. Too bushy and long. Make you look like
> a http://www.geocities.com/queenofcyberspace/soooooge2.jpg.
I (and others) like my eyebrows, I like them when I work up a big sweat
because they can keep considerable perspiration out of my eyes and if you
have ever got sweat into your eyes then at that time maybe you would have
wished for them also<s> No mater how hard I worked in my younger days or how
profusely I sweated in extreme heat I have never had an occasion to get
sweat into my eyes so there :P
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Sugien
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
I will say this NO WHERE did I say I wrote those files I only said "The
following files " and at Fijian's site they say those files can be used by
anyone for any reason they like. Nuff said; because the only thing I said I
wrote was the DinoEzineLite, which I did and if I remember correctly it is
about 80-90% mine other then the mime headers part and that was a FREE to
use subroutine which the author said he didn't want any credit and would
rather no one mention him in any as he put it "Shout outs":
Laura did you even go and read and I mean really read taking my posting
style into consideration<s> that post? or are you like at other times simply
regurgitating what Nick and Gut boy have said?
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:56:34 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>I (and others) like my eyebrows, I like them when I work up a big
>sweat because they can keep considerable perspiration out of my eyes
>and if you have ever got sweat into your eyes then at that time
>maybe you would have wished for them also<s> No mater how hard I
>worked in my younger days or how profusely I sweated in extreme heat
>I have never had an occasion to get sweat into my eyes so there :P
That is the most disgusting mind picture EVER. BLEECH!
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Sugien
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:56:34 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
> wrote in post:
> >I (and others) like my eyebrows, I like them when I work up a big
> >sweat because they can keep considerable perspiration out of my eyes
> >and if you have ever got sweat into your eyes then at that time
> >maybe you would have wished for them also<s> No mater how hard I
> >worked in my younger days or how profusely I sweated in extreme heat
> >I have never had an occasion to get sweat into my eyes so there :P
>
> That is the most disgusting mind picture EVER. BLEECH!
Hmmm, I thought you had to have a mind first:o)
>
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>P.S. Thanks, Guillermito for posting that one, too. Forgot about that
>sad episode in acv. :-(
Unfortunately, I have a very good memory for totally useless things,
and a medical interest for people who use the internet to invent a new
delusional life for themselves - two things that characterize Sugien
saga in acv.
There are other good pieces in this saga, for example:
- when he claimed he wrote an assembler routine that destroys
monitors and submitted it to impress Pierre Vandevenne - one of the
world very few experts about assembler. He actually stole the program
from a book (as usual, the whole thread is funny to read):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8g3f11%241vk_004%40be.kpnqwest.net
- when he stole a nice phrase from an acv contributor for his local
newspaper column. The most funny part is that Brian Barlev (another
interesting individual for the two reasons cited above) pointed out
the plagiarism - something that was definitely not easy to spot:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3adca168.6437931%40news.paradise.net.nz
- when he stole a steganography routine without crediting its author
and added a few lines around, to produce a software he wanted to sell
for 400 bucks:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1ed8586c.0106041532.32341551%40posting.google.com
- when he stole an entire Netstat graphical front-end program without
crediting its author:
http://www.pipo.com/guillermito/amoeba/sugien.html
- when he stole the Finjan demo and replace the string "created by
Finjan" with "created by Sugien". Ah, I already talked about this one
:)
I may have missed one or two others. For his defense, that's more than
one year he didn't steal anything. I hope it is a positive progression
and he's learning from his past errors. At least the flak he received
made him think. Good point. Let's have some hope.
And, no, I don't think Sooooge is a totally corrupted guy or an idiot.
He's just a little bit delusional, and I have to admit that his
constant and lenghty denials of evidences that cannot be denied have
some surrealistic poetic qualities :)
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Guillermito
http://www.guillermito.net
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:03:27 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>Laura did you even go and read and I mean really read taking my
>posting style into consideration<s> that post?
"Your honor, I did not steal any code. You have to take my posting
style into consideration!"
Please, Sooooge -- don't tempt me into writing another courtroom
parody!
You may be a Vietnam vet, but you're still a...
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>Good point. Let's have some hope.
Another positive thing, to be honest, is that he is clearly curious
about a lot of technical and scientific domains, and that is
definitely a good point (especially for a hillbilly) in my point of
view (I'm a scientist, after all). When he's not loosing his time
worm-wriggling or boasting about himself, he can at times present
interesting point of views (although often off-topic).
Talking about off-topic, better I stop here.
Going back into acv lurker mode :)
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http://www.guillermito.net
Sugien
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
You still can't get it through that poor excuse for a brain that someone can
*not* steal something that is freely given away.
Sugien
"Guillermito" <guill...@pipo.com> wrote in message
news:d4bjru8jdrq06hm80...@news.asynchrone.net...
> Laura Fredericks <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> :
>
<snip pur BS>
> Guillermito
> http://www.guillermito.net
You are another one that must stand at the grocery store and when free
samples are given out you call 911 and yell and stomp your feet and tell the
police that someone is stealing food at Kroger's. Then you just can't
understand why the police don't show up. Get a life, a person can *not*
steal something that is given away for free.
As for your dubious claims about my mental abilities and or any of our
delusional thoughts about my needing a head doctor. I am rubber you are
glue every bad thing you say about me bounces off me and sticks to you, so
go blow it out your ars but be sure to remove you head first or you might
get a head ace.
Sugien
> Guillermito <guill...@pipo.com> :
>
> >Good point. Let's have some hope.
>
> Another positive thing, to be honest, is that he is clearly curious
> about a lot of technical and scientific domains, and that is
> definitely a good point (especially for a hillbilly) in my point of
pkb, your talking about hillbilly's and sluffing off your obvious hillbilly
bashing bigoted views. I would comment on what you are; but I would not
want to cast your attributes upon an entire group just because you happen to
be a part of it by a mistake of birth. Or did your parents actually intend
to create such a self righteous ars, that thinks he is the last word in
computer information. You talk a good game about being a scientist; but you
would not know scientific methods or principals if they jumped up and bit
you. If you did you would not be so quick to sluff off attributes to
someone just because of where they were born. You would not even know about
the differences between nurture and nature unless it was written in first
grade reader style. See test group, test group is to do tests on. See
control group, control group do no tests on.
> view (I'm a scientist, after all). When he's not loosing his time
> worm-wriggling or boasting about himself, he can at times present
> interesting point of views (although often off-topic).
>
> Talking about off-topic, better I stop here.
>
> Going back into acv lurker mode :)
>
> --
> Guillermito
> http://www.guillermito.net
Hmmm, maybe I will do a case study on you as a premise for a treatise on
self righteous ars holes; but then again I have no inclination to write up
the volumes it would take to fully explore the psyche of such a blithering
idiot.
nicky
"Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:E3ju9.35533$Lg2.9...@news2.news.adelphia.net...
>
> "Guillermito" <guill...@pipo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4bjru8jdrq06hm80...@news.asynchrone.net...
> > Laura Fredericks <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> :
> >
> <snip pur BS>
>
> > Guillermito
> > http://www.guillermito.net
>
Ok someone help me out here..this one has rumbled on and on intermittently
for aeons...am I right in surmising that sugien has cobbled a few bits of
code together and claimed it as his own?
Someone once said to me (relating to writing essays but it applies to this
too I guess) that ripping off one was plagiarism , ripping off two was
research. I disagree ripping off more than one is just plagiarism on a
bigger scale
Nicky
>
optikl
>
> "Guillermito" <guill...@pipo.com> wrote in message
> news:0gdjrukqa0bmn1dft...@news.asynchrone.net...
> > Guillermito <guill...@pipo.com> :
> > Another positive thing, to be honest, is that he is clearly curious
> > about a lot of technical and scientific domains, and that is
> > definitely a good point (especially for a hillbilly) in my point of
>
You talk a good game about being a scientist; but you
> would not know scientific methods or principals if they jumped up and bit
> you. If you did you would not be so quick to sluff off attributes to
> someone just because of where they were born. You would not even know
about
> the differences between nurture and nature unless it was written in first
> grade reader style. See test group, test group is to do tests on. See
> control group, control group do no tests on.
You should learn to quit when you're ahead.
Sugien
"nicky" <fecki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0Pju9.1812$Ke7.11...@news-text.cableinet.net...
More or less, well to be perfectly honest except in the case of the
DinoStat program yes. The DinoStat program I did just put my name and logo
into the source code. *BUT* and what some here fail to tell everyone is
that the web page I got the source code from, that *IS* allowed and
according to the page I got the source code from I did nothing wrong.
On most of my other programs I as you put it cobbled together program
sort of as one poster here put it "Lego" style in as much that I take
subroutine or you could call it parts of several programs and make a
different program most times that doesn't resemble any of the other programs
in either design or function except of course in that one small part (or I
could say button).
You see in VB the programmer is presented sort of with a blank program
and you can simply click on a button then click on the programs from and you
have a button. You can then double click that button and are presented with
the source code and you can then either from memory put what you learned
from a programming book into the code for that button then when the program
is compiled, when the user clicks that button the windows api performs what
ever code was placed into the holding place to do when that button is
pressed.
I could for instance take a book on programming and scan in (legally) a
subroutine and then paste that code into the button and call it mine. My
memory being what it is, I chose to keep myself a programming library of
snippets or text files of subroutines all cross referenced by what they do
when the button containing them is clicked. I can then simply do a search
of my library for what I want the program to do and then copy and past into
the program that code.
I do not keep all the authors names of each of the subroutines on ever
dang subroutine. If I started giving credit for every subroutine, some of
my programs would have a larger about box code then what the program is.
The way I program is *legal* and the web sites I get the routines from also
agree it is legal and in fact some of them suggest it as a way for beginning
programmer to start out until they can do it from memory. My memory being
what it is, I can't rely on it so I choose to do it my way.
Now as to credit to authors. I will admit that more or less morally
maybe and there is the crux of the mater *maybe* I should give credit; *BUT*
I do NOT have to if choose not to. Had everyone not belly hoed so much I
was leaning to giving out credit and in fact had started to do so. Then
they started trying to shoot the same dead dog all over again, and I am
simply tired of it and since I don't have to do so legally now I choose NOT
to and they know there is nothing they can do about it other then try and
rag on me in this one tiny little read small part of UseNet.
To be honest I think just about the only reason I don't give out
credit is just to rub it in certain peoples noses telling them that "nanna
nanna poo poo I can legally do it and there is nothing you can do" Yes I
know how childish that is; but I like having fun with my computers and
because of it being a very tiny part of my RL I could care less what this
one very small corner of Usenet thinks. Besides what's the point in being
an adult if one can't be a little childish once in a while.
Sugien
"optikl" <opt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Golly Geee guy was I ahead at some point and didn't see it? rofl, well
actually imho I have been ahead of the game the entire time; but most likely
only I use the point system which show it:op
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:46:43 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>You still can't get it through that poor excuse for a brain that
>someone can *not* steal something that is freely given away.
The devil did not steal your soul. You gave it to him, freely.
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >You still can't get it through that poor excuse for a brain that
> >someone can *not* steal something that is freely given away.
>
> The devil did not steal your soul. You gave it to him, freely.
Nope not even in your wildest dreams would I give my soul to your daddy
>
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
http://dino-soft.org/laura.jpg
this is the babe you said you are? sure sure
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:46:24 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>...not even in your wildest dreams would I give my soul to your
>daddy
Though I may have "wild dreams" -- last one being when I wore my Rob
Rosenberger vmyths.com (that's v-myths-dot-com) t-shirt to bed --
none are as wild as *yours*, i.e. 8" nipples and sex with carrots or
centaurs.
Here's <snicker> The Sugien, talking about his vegetable and horse
fantasies, on acv:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B23314F32
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:46:24 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
> wrote in post:
> >...not even in your wildest dreams would I give my soul to your
> >daddy
>
> Though I may have "wild dreams" -- last one being when I wore my Rob
> Rosenberger vmyths.com (that's v-myths-dot-com) t-shirt to bed --
> none are as wild as *yours*, i.e. 8" nipples and sex with carrots or
> centaurs.
>
> Here's <snicker> The Sugien, talking about his vegetable and horse
> fantasies, on acv:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?B23314F32
I had forgotten all about giving you an example of disgusting made up
stuff to equate to what 4Q had did; but as I thought you most assuredly have
not forgotten it seams. How often are you fantasying about that? no never
mind even the thought of the answer is disgusting enough.
Just as I hinted at in that post, looks like your mind has wrapped
around that vile image and you can't let it go. Maybe you should go see
your therapist maybe some hypnotherapy can get it out of you mind. It must
sort of be like when someone gets a song stuck in there head only with this
you probably have a difficult time functioning at all seeing as how it looks
like you just can't forget it and move on.
Just let it go Laura it isn't real life it was an example and I know of
nothing that is truly real like what your fantasies seam to indicate you are
trouble over. It does however maybe give others an incite into what makes
you tick and what it takes to get you to remember something. All they need
do is to make up some outlandish sexual stuff and you will dream about it
most probably until the next person gives you something even more
disgusting. But then you are use to disgusting stuff after all you see
about the most disgusting thing I can think of, every time you look into a
mirror.
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FromTheRafters
> The clearance is doubtful; but I have not reason to believe he would lie
> about such a thing. However I would require proof or at least him telling
> me some of the same stuff I know about or at least some of the procedures;
> before I would say anything I know:o) But really what's he got "S" or
> Secret; which by the way any one that has served in the military during time
> of way and was in the field was given at least a "S". Or a "TS" Top Secret
It was necessary so that everyone would be aware of the penalties
of betraying the nations trust. Not everyone needed to access information
or gain access to controlled spaces, but they did need to be aware of
the consequences of their actions.
> That is one level up and usually only either short sleeve types in a war
> zone or officers or NCOIC's (Non Commissioned Officer In Charge) After that
> you get more up into my range<s>
Over the top ~ secret?
> I know how I can tell if he is the real
> deal, Just ask him if he knows what a "Q" is
Isn't that 007's gadget maker.. (that's Bond, James Bond)
[or that irritating Star Trek TNG 'Q' continuum guy]
> (and no I am not talking about
> sill butt wipe 4Q) if he at least knows what it is then I would most
> probably believe he has the clerance he says he does.
I have held an ITS (interim top secret), and currently hold an S (secret)
clearance. As far as I know all levels above TS are 'need to know'
only. I know the 'sanitizing' procedures used in the early 80's, but don't
have a clue what 'Q' is. Yes, I know some other stuff too. ;o) Some of
which is still as yet not (to my knowledge) declassified. Cryptographic
and electronic countermeasures systems of 20 to 25 years ago are no
doubt antiquated by now, but they haven't told me anything has been
declassified (and why would they?). Security clearances and test scores
mean nothing.
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:57:29 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>this is the babe you said you are? sure sure
Stick to coderipping, Sooooooooge. You can't do a decent photo
retouch for *shit*!
(Now *this* is scary... I haven't had that pic of me on my stoopid
parody o' home pages for over a year... What did he do, <snicker>
*steal it* when it was there?)
OMIGOD! Sooooge! Pleeeeeeeeeeeease tell me you're not obsessed with
me, like Dickhead is! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
The Dickhead and the Wanker. Great, just great. :-(
Next thing I know, I'll find out that that dwarf, Simon LePrat (one
t) stole my pic, too. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
(Why can't I get nice *normal* guys obsessing over me? <sob> Ya know,
men like andi. Or Rob. I'm such a *nice* girl.)
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:12:17 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>I had forgotten all about giving you an example of disgusting made
>up stuff to equate to what 4Q had did
<snip>
>How often are you fantasying about that?
Couple of times a day.
>Just let it go Laura...
<snip>
>...It does however maybe give others an incite into what makes you
>tick and what it takes to get you to remember something. All they
>need do is to make up some outlandish sexual stuff and you will
>dream about it
You say that as if it's a *bad* thing.
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"FromTheRafters" <!00...@nomad.fake> wrote in message
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That may have miss-fired :o) it was aimed at the air force person she
showed it to, well unless that is you? Believe it or not some stuff from
WWI was just declassified last year. It had to do with surveillance methods
and the likes. You are right about Security clearances meaning nothing all
a TS means is that back as far as you grandfather they could find no one
with a felony. But contrary to popular some if not all test scores do mean
something. If nothing else they are a gage by which to separate those that
may be able to comprehends a methodology and those that most probably could
not.
As for the Q, suffice it to say now days for someone to even go onto a
atomic facility with any even the remotest chance of accessing fissionable
material is given a "Q" even truck drivers are given a 6 months temporary
one to deliver oranges to the mess hall:o) Some unlucky souls however (not
saying I am one) get a life time one. There are of course many more varying
degrees of clearance most however are under the hospices of "Need to Know"
or of course the catch all "Eyes Only" if for instance something is marked
as "Eyes Only" for say the General of the Army at the Pentagon not even the
President can read it unless he is placed on the list. You can also tell
the upper stuff when not only is it shredded but the person shredding it
even though it has blank cover pages to hide what is inside that person
needs a TS or above and after it is shredded it is burned and burned hot
enough that there are no ashes and the soot is chemically treated before
being encased in a solidifying agent.
Laura Fredericks
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:09:28 -0400, Guillermito
<guill...@pipo.com> wrote in post:
>...he claimed he wrote an assembler routine that destroys monitors
>and submitted it to impress Pierre Vandevenne - one of the world
>very few experts about assembler. He actually stole the program
>from a book (as usual, the whole thread is funny to read):
<snip>
Thank you for posting *yet another* excellent trip down memory lane
re. The Sugien. (Keep it up.)
(Hey andi -- look what I found in one of Sooooge's posts in that
thread: "obvesoley". Whatcha think? Potential?)
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <guill...@pipo.com> wrote in post:
> >...he claimed he wrote an assembler routine that destroys monitors
> >and submitted it to impress Pierre Vandevenne - one of the world
> >very few experts about assembler. He actually stole the program
> >from a book (as usual, the whole thread is funny to read):
> <snip>
>
> Thank you for posting *yet another* excellent trip down memory lane
> re. The Sugien. (Keep it up.)
rofl, thanks for the belly laugh, I just don't think ole gutterly
understands just how asinine that sounds. "He actually stole the program
from a book" because if that were possible then every programmer out there
has stolen everything they have ever wrote out of the books they learned to
program from. Just try and let the logic of this seep in where to date none
has existed. If student a. reads said programming book then goes home and
then from memory constructs the subroutine he read about in school and
creates a program using it, then it is his program. Is it any less
programmer b's program if he takes his book home and instead of remembering
the routine he instead copies it from the book? Now do you start to see
just how ludricast *mis-spelling left for amusement value and to see whom
can figure out what word it is suppose to be* Gutteral boy sounds and how
many lurkers are laughing there ars off at he and probably you?
One more thing, that little .ASM routine although had little to no
effect on the newer type of monitor he tried it on, it does and did most
definitely heat up the older type of monitor (ega,cga), and I never did say
it destroyed any monitor or that it even would I only said that is could be
possible to rapidly switch an older type of monitor from white to black and
heat it up to a point to where it may do damage. I will maybe concede that
the monitor which went when I ran the program on it was considerably old and
had been used for years and may have been on the way out. That still does
not negate the experiment, I ran the program, the old monitor, went "pop".
I venture to say that just about anyone conducting the test until evidence
to the contrary was given would have drawn the same conclusion. You can see
above as to the authorship of the program.
>
> (Hey andi -- look what I found in one of Sooooge's posts in that
> thread: "obvesoley". Whatcha think? Potential?)
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FromTheRafters
> Ok someone help me out here..this one has rumbled on and on intermittently
> for aeons...am I right in surmising that sugien has cobbled a few bits of
> code together and claimed it as his own?
Possibly, but (almost) everyone uses code written by others to
make a program.
> Someone once said to me (relating to writing essays but it applies to this
> too I guess) that ripping off one was plagiarism , ripping off two was
> research.
I think this is was tongue in cheek statement, but as you know you
attributed the phrase to 'someone'. Had you just blurted it out, would
you have been guilty of plagiarism?
[snip]
Using this analogy, you are using words and phrases that you didn't
create, but the idea you convey is your intellectual property. You
don't give credit in your essay to the creators of the words and
phrases you use, but if the overall idea you present as yours was
in actuality someone elses ~ it is best to give credit where credit
is due. This is a very loose (poor) analogy, especially when you
consider the amount of time involved in writing the lines of code
that make up a full fledged program. If I wrote a 100 line poem,
and one of the lines was:
The sun cut itself on the jagged peaks and bled into the valley.
Even though the rest of the poem was all original material, I
would still be guilty of plagiarism to some extent because
that line is from Steinbeck (I think? Tortilla Flats?). If I could
write that well, I wouldn't need to borrow phrases from someone
else, and if I did borrow some phrases, I would credit the author.
FromTheRafters
> You can also tell
> the upper stuff when not only is it shredded but the person shredding it
> even though it has blank cover pages to hide what is inside that person
> needs a TS or above and after it is shredded it is burned and burned hot
> enough that there are no ashes and the soot is chemically treated before
> being encased in a solidifying agent.
Hehehe...I used to go on 'burn runs' with the shredded docs.
It wasn't exectly *my job*, but since I had the clearance, I
was qualified. Thanks for bringing back some funny memories.
Oh boy! Ha ha ha.
Heather
ROFL. Are those ears? Too funny!! Must look thru some of my stuff and
send it to you.
Figgs
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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Laura Fredericks
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(Fascinating reading, there, Guillermito. Thanks, again.)
The following was said by our friend Sugien, in an old acv post cited
by Guillermito, re. using a few lines written by an acv poster in his
Chillicothe Gazette column, that he <cough> forgot to credit:
>I am not sure as to how the copyright laws pertain to a post in a
>Usenet news group; ... Even if it is not copyrightable and even if
>my using the lines would not be legally considered plagiarism, I
>would
>none the less still want to give someone credit for anything they
>wrote, even if not giving them credit was legal because of it not
>being copyrightable, in my mind it would be morally reprehensible
>not to give them credit even if it was not required by law."
(link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A36721F32)
"Morally reprehensible." "MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE."
Apparently, in The Sugien's head, this does not apply to code. ;-)
Shame on you, Soooooooge! You're (apparently) not the good, Christian
you claim to be... You're <shock> "morally reprehensible"!
(Oh yeah, and a...
http://www.geocities.com/queenofcyberspace/soooooge2.jpg)
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
There is quite a difference between writing programming code and writing
words. I do make a distinction as does just about everyone else. But to
maybe make it a tad clearer to you. *this is just a for instance and may or
may not be based on actual events*:
What if a writer creates a poem, then they publish it on a web page.
This writer being a freehearted and giving soul places this disclaimer on
the page:
*I do here by give to anyone that so chooses the right to take any and
all words,phrases or anything else they so choose for free. Further more
not only do I not wish to have credit given to me for any of the works
contained within this web page I expressly forbid so doing. If in the event
someone does take some words from this page and there after either willingly
or by accident give me credit, then the giving of my words and or phrases
for free is rescinded. and full and complete credit is mandated*
lol, just a what if sort of kinda in circular logic squarely placing upon
the reader the conundrum wrapped in a puzzle laying in front of the reader
behind the monitor the what if's of purloining previous utterances.
Dang installing a new *free* server pc sure takes it out of someone rapidly
approaching a half century.
Heather
page.
> This writer being a freehearted and giving soul places this disclaimer
on
> the page:
> *I do here by give to anyone that so chooses the right to take
any and
> all words,phrases or anything else they so choose for free. Further
more
> not only do I not wish to have credit given to me for any of the works
> contained within this web page I expressly forbid so doing. If in the
event
> someone does take some words from this page and there after either
willingly
> or by accident give me credit, then the giving of my words and or
phrases
> for free is rescinded. and full and complete credit is mandated*
>
> lol, just a what if sort of kinda in circular logic squarely placing
upon
> the reader the conundrum wrapped in a puzzle laying in front of the
reader
> behind the monitor the what if's of purloining previous utterances.
What a load of convoluted, unadulterated CRAP!! I am getting quite
tired of your dancing around trying to justify stealing another person's
creation!!
I am a writer........and a genealogist.......and you are freakin' nuts,
dickbrain......if you think for one minute that in either pursuit, I
would not copyright my creation!! One is fiction or journalism (a
creation by moi).........genealogy is facts that I have spent years
digging out of microfilm and old Parish Records. And if some asshole
like you comes along and STEALS it.......I will sue your butt off!! It
has happened to a lot of us and believe me, we are not the least bit
forgiving........we have methods we use to trap jerks like you, but you
would never figure them out. You just ain't smart enough!!
Do I make myself clear??? Does your tiny peabrain understand the
concept of copyright and ownership??? Gawd.......you drone on and on,
making up stupid, asinine stories to justify THEFT!!
GIVE IT A REST!!
Sleepless in Toronto
Sugien
"Heather" <JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:apdddf$ijq3$1...@ID-99845.news.dfncis.de...
<soap box>
Listen little miss prim and proper and get your very tiny 2 cylinder
poor excuse for a brain in gear before engaging your mouth. That was just a
what if and was never intended to be anything concerning real life, get it?
Contrary to what you may have read here, the *O N L Y* time I have ever came
close to plagiarizing the written word was in my column, and when I was made
aware of it I *P R O M P T L Y* and * E A R N E S T L Y* did the correct
and right thing and I had my editor print a retraction after I had contacted
the original author. I sent him a personal apology via by email accompanied
by a copy of both the text in question and the aforementioned retraction and
published public apology in the same paper in which the mistake was made.
I have no need to steal any words you might write (not that I would
want to if the above is any indication of your style or talent); because I
am quite able to conceive my own. You (and a few others) here let yourself
be lead around by the nose by a few here that for what ever reason have a
axe to grind with me. If you and a few other lemmings here could get your
brain out of the herding and lynch mob mentality for more then the few
nanoseconds and actually go back and read the *entire* thread you might see
that I acted in a timely and proper fashion and did everything required by
both morally and legally required.
Even though I had been told by the author that no public by way of the
news group the text was appropriated from or the printed version in the form
of both a retraction, nor private for that mater apology was either wanted
or needed and only through my insistence because of my need to make
absolutely sure everything was done on the up and up so as to leave not even
the slightest hint of impropriety, was an apology even given both privately
and publicly and in print.
The author further expounded to me his thoughts on the matter of
whether or not text in the form of a conversation between multiple people in
a news group post was even copyrightable in the first place. It was his
contention that it was more like something heard down at the local pub over
a few pints and chips rather then being treated like something taken out of
Oliver Twist. His assertion that he didn't think it copyrightable in the
first place and that he didn't want or require an apology privately or
publicly; but at my insistence he relented and agreed.
You need to get off your high horse before you run headlong under a
tree and get yourself knocked bass-ackward over the hind quarters of some
nag that probably looks better going then you do coming and learn how to
give someone the benefit of the doubt instead of allowing what others have
said in error to color your opinion. You should learn as I have to try and
separate what goes on between the ions of your monitor and what goes on in
real life.
One more thing and I will happily slide back into my easy chair and
work on things considerable more interesting and certainly more pleasant.
It was a fricking JOKE butt wipe, do I have to put <joke></joke> tags on
every what I thought obvious joke for every moron that can't figure it out
for themselves? Well it was more tongue in cheek then joke; but never the
less not intended to be anything else. One final thing. I also separate my
limited mediocre programming from my other writing, and my other writing is
not just limited to one genre; but encompasses probably considerable more
varied subjects then you are probably capable of understanding let alone
comprehending there impact in each of there sequent domains.
</soap box>
Heather
> > tired of your dancing around trying to justify stealing another
person's
> > creation!!
> >
> > I am a writer........and a genealogist.......and you are freakin'
nuts,
> > dickbrain......if you think for one minute that in either pursuit, I
> > would not copyright my creation!! One is fiction or journalism (a
> > creation by moi).........genealogy is facts that I have spent years
> > digging out of microfilm and old Parish Records. And if some
asshole
> > like you comes along and STEALS it.......I will sue your butt off!!
It
> > has happened to a lot of us and believe me, we are not the least bit
> > forgiving........we have methods we use to trap jerks like you, but
you
> > would never figure them out. You just ain't smart enough!!
> >
> > Do I make myself clear??? Does your tiny peabrain understand the
> > concept of copyright and ownership??? Gawd.......you drone on and
on,
> > making up stupid, asinine stories to justify THEFT!!
> >
> > GIVE IT A REST!!
> >
> >
try and justify what you do........btw, answer Guillermito's charge, why
don't you??
> I have no need to steal any words you might write (not that I
would
> want to if the above is any indication of your style or talent);
because I
> am quite able to conceive my own.
You couldn't possibly know what I write, or how I write.......and your
idea of writing is the only real joke in this post. At least I get paid
for mine!! Plus I can spell.......wanker.
Do you even know what genealogy is?? And I have spelled it properly for
you so you can find it in a dictionary.
>>>>>a load of self-serving, boring crap snipped<<<<<<<<
. I also separate my
> limited mediocre programming from my other writing, and my other
writing is
> not just limited to one genre; but encompasses probably considerable
more
> varied subjects then you are probably capable of understanding let
alone
> comprehending there impact in each of there sequent domains.
Don't count on it, idiot. I have been writing 'in many genres' longer
than you have been stealing code. As has Laura, no doubt. And what in
heck is "sequent domains".......another example of your <snicker>
excellent english?
Bart Bailey
>
> Do you even know what genealogy is?? And I have spelled it properly for
> you so you can find it in a dictionary.
genealogy - deals with geniuses, or negiuses, or sugienses, or.........;-)
Sugien
>
<Snipo>
> Oh hell......here we go again with another convoluted bunch of lies to
> try and justify what you do........btw, answer Guillermito's charge, why
> don't you??
>
Been there done that and don't care to put his nose in the dirt yet again.
I am starting to think you and some others just can not understand plane
english. A person can NOT steal something that is given away for free.
Just exactley what part of that don't you understand.
> > I have no need to steal any words you might write (not that I
> would
> > want to if the above is any indication of your style or talent);
> because I
> > am quite able to conceive my own.
>
> You couldn't possibly know what I write, or how I write.......and your
> idea of writing is the only real joke in this post. At least I get paid
> for mine!! Plus I can spell.......wanker.
At least I am a purest where my writing is concerned; because I don't
prostitute my writing; but rather I give my words away; because I don't
think someone should have to PAY for something that gave me so much joy and
comfort and a whole raft of others things that you most likely will never
feel because of your need to prostitute your writing to the media.
>
> Do you even know what genealogy is?? And I have spelled it properly for
> you so you can find it in a dictionary.
>
If it makes your self inflated ego feel better by thinking I don't go
right ahead and think so; because far be it for me to give you a healthy
dose of reality and let you know my family has been in this area since
before there was a state called Ohio. I also have no need to look up my
family history; because I have a family bible which has my lineage back to
before we came to this country. We weren't bond slaves like what yours were
and most probably if your family did come over that far back my family was
the captain of the ship that brought your either here to the USA, or more
likely took them as prisoners to Australia; but there being your family more
then likely they jumped ship and ended up in New Zealand or somewhere else.
> >>>>>a load of self-serving, boring crap snipped<<<<<<<<
>
> . I also separate my
> > limited mediocre programming from my other writing, and my other
> writing is
> > not just limited to one genre; but encompasses probably considerable
> more
> > varied subjects then you are probably capable of understanding let
> alone
> > comprehending there impact in each of there sequent domains.
>
> Don't count on it, idiot. I have been writing 'in many genres' longer
> than you have been stealing code. As has Laura, no doubt. And what in
> heck is "sequent domains".......another example of your <snicker>
> excellent english?
>
You still can't get your single celled organism you call a brain to
wrap around the truth of the facts that it is *imposable* to steal something
that is given away for free can you? Seeing as how you don't know how to
play one of the many mind games I play here, let me give you a hint.
"sequent domains" is something for you to try and figure out; but I know
and you know you can't. Writing for the pure joy and love of it, and
writing because you HAVE TO in order to put bread on your table is two
entirely different things.
I can explore any type of, or subjects I so desire. I can take as
little or much time as I want or need, to make sure the reader not only
understands what I am saying; but also feels the emotional impact the
painting of words fluently across a page or have them in suspense and even
quivering with fingers taught as a bowman's string as they are drawn into my
domain.
You on the other hand in order to fulfill a deadline or to placate a
boss which is breathing down your neck during the umpteenth call to get your
story, throw words and phrases across the page as what a inexperienced
juvenal hooker prostituting her unperfected and limited techniques learned
peering through gossamer blinds placed there by a mother trying to prevent
her child conceived by a john from learning the family business.
You are starting to bore me; but you are a diversion especially on
nights like tonight in which sleep can not be coaxed into visiting bleary
eyes which have viewed far too many lies thrown at them by those
ill-prepared to receive the truth.
I will check back in a few; because I have other more worth while
adversaries in dire need of some mental butt whippings on other news groups
under other aliases<s>
Sugien
"Bart Bailey" <bar...@nethere.net> wrote in message
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Hey Bart, is this thing on? Please reply ASAP ok? thank joo
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:19:20 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>At least I am a purest where my writing is concerned; because I
>don't prostitute my writing; but rather I give my words away;
>because I don't think someone should have to PAY for something that
>gave me so much joy and comfort...
Well, you're right on *one* thing, Sooooge... *No one* should have to
pay for your poetry.
COFFEE
By Paul Bryant
Coffee swirling in my mug
Way to hot to chug a lug
The warmth spreads as it goes down
In the kitchen or down town
Coffee here coffee there
A little caffeine to get me where
My eyes don't droop or fall asleep
A pick me up that can't be beat
Some like instant some like perked
Every one knows its' worth
The time it takes to make a cup
If you need a pick me up
Note: The above was cut/paste from Soooooooge's site; all typos,
errors, etc. are HIS. To read more orignal [sic] poems from The
Sugien, please visit his poetry page on his website:
http://www.dino-soft.org/poems.html
(I know *I'm* comforted, now. *You* comforted, Heather?)
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
For all your endless and I do mean virtually endless going on and on about
your writing I have yet to see a single word you have ever written. Now
don't give me any more of your "But I am a writer, but I am an editor" you
do know the old saying don't you? well let me change it around a tad and
paraphrase it for you, "Those that can write, and those that can't edit and
complain about those that can" I wonder what is Heather's excuse for not
posting any of her for lack of a more descriptive word because I just can't
think of an adjective to adequately express my contempt for what she
mentally calls her "writing" Well how about it Heather? Laura says she is
a writer; but it is only that she writes by editing the works of others
what's your excuse?
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Nick FitzGerald
> You should learn to quit when you're ahead.
You're joking, right?
Soooooge is never ahead in these things. He always starts from a
grossly inferior and backward position and regresses as rapidly as
can be imagined.
He is the champion of digging out the hole in which he is standing
faster and deeper than people can shovel shit on top of him...
And funniest of all -- he is far too stupid to realize these legion
failings that are obvious to everyone else, so keeps making the
same mistakes over and over and over and...
--
Nick FitzGerald
Sugien
"Nick FitzGerald" <ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3dba...@clear.net.nz...<Snip Nick FizzledBrains delusions>
>
> --
> Nick FitzGerald
>
>
Sure sure; but you know what only those will as much (not saying much
because zero + zero still equals zero well unless the person is you then it
adds up to less then zero) or less (if possible) intelligence then you
could believe even one tenth of one percent of all that dribble.
If I had a choice to live a thousand years as you or one day as me, I
would chose the one day as me; because one day as me would be far more
preferable then to live a thousand years as you, and my knowing full well
that even with a thousand years to try and become a decent human being if I
had to do so as you I would have more chance of putting out the sun by
spitting on it, then to become a decent human being because of all your
faults that I would have to try and over come.
But I will say one thing for you ole Nick FizzledBrains you have taken
either my advice or others and have toned down your bed side manners so to
speak. Well either that or you clients have given you a choice of either
being less a ars when helping people or to find clients elsewhere's.
Because you know you were lucky to delude clients to allow you to touch
there accounts in the first place you must not want to take any chances.
Laura Fredericks
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:22:32 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>For all your endless and I do mean virtually endless going on and on
>about your writing I have yet to see a single word you have ever
>written.
(Sigh...)
Okay, only 'cause I mentioned several times I was online editor for a
supermarket tabloid...
Since I specialized in parody and pop culture, I combined the two for
this <cough> "breaking news story" that appeared in Weekly World News
Internet Edition in 1997. It's one of my faves, featuring that
half-human, half-bat -- Bat Boy! (Btw, I was also President of the
Bat Boy Fan Club. Don't ask.)
I wrote it one day after a *real* news story broke (December 17,
1997) about a Pokemon cartoon in Japan whose bright lights and rapid
animation caused hundreds of children to be admitted to the hospital
with photosensitive epilepsy. Here's link to the original CNN article
that "inspired" me:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9712/17/japan.cartoon/index.html
And before you go all off about copyrights, I sold one-time use
rights to WWN, i.e. they cannot reproduce it without paying me more
money. Translation: I own it. As for the cartoon -- since my friend,
Dick Kulpa is now WWN's Editor-in-Chief (he was their Art Director,
at the time), there's no problem with *that*, either. (Besides, I
made him do this cartoon expressly for my story, lol!) And oh yeah, I
produced his cartoonist website. ;-)
Fyi, the link to the Bat Boy cartoon in my story works. (Thought
you'd wanna see how silly I could be.) Enjoy!
http://queenofcyberspace.com/batboy/
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
You are joking right? Because that surely can not be called writing.
Any high school journalism student could do better while nursing a hangover.
In fact they would not even need to be a journalism student any 9th grader
with a D- in English could also do as well.
Although it does satisfy the 5 W's it is lacking in any original style
and could put the reader to sleep quite easily. I also see your editor told
you to gear it to a 6th grade reading comprehension level; which btw you
seam to struggle with. That begs the question " Is it hard for you to write
down to the 6th grade level, or up"?
Now I can see why you didn't want to show any of it, irregardless of
the titillating subject material the article is, dull, drab and lacks any
punch. And you keep putting up my "Ode to a Donut" as an example of bad
writing. I would think after stinking up this new group with this
odoriferous rendition of a story better suited to a 6th grade weekly reader,
you would surely rather read product labels then something of the quality of
your <<big snicker>> story.
Sugien
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Remove CLOTHES to reply.
After going to your page http://queenofcyberspace.com/ being assaulted by
why you call a poem
"I SAW A VAMPIRE ON THE SUBWAY, TONIGHT
A poem - by me"
I would think you would be ashamed to have said anything about any of my
poem; because even the one I consider my worse is considerable better then
your <cough snicker gag puke> if it can even be called a poem. I know that
a poem doesn't have to rime to be considered a poem shoot an old hillbilly
like me even knows about iambic pentameter; but unless you are going for the
"say something and call it a poem" I don't see the connection to any known
poetry style. Ah ha that is it isn't it? you were going for the "make up my
own type of poem and if it is the only one like it , it will have to be the
best in that style because it is the only one in that style" here you go I
will do one of my exercises in writing about you. In this exercise I write
for 3 minuets only I can't scratch(when typing delete) anything once it hits
paper and what ever is there at the end of three minuets is a 3Mer: I am
however allowed to correct spelling mistakes<s>
Laura languished listfully laying limericks loosely every where
She sure seldom sought serenity seeping sideways every where
But because better bitter boundaries beckon by bewildering byways every
where
Another asinine accomplishment absented across Her mind
Hmmm now I just wonder if you know what (if any) style this little 3 minuet
exercise is?
p.s.
actually it was 2.5 minuets; but the last half minuet I was laughing so hard
I could not see well enough to type.
Laura Fredericks
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:19:55 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>After going to your page http://queenofcyberspace.com/ being
>assaulted by why you call a poem
>
>"I SAW A VAMPIRE ON THE SUBWAY, TONIGHT
>A poem - by me"
>
>I would think you would be ashamed to have said anything about any
>of my poem; because even the one I consider my worse is considerable
>better then your <cough snicker gag puke> if it can even be called a
>poem.
Sugien, it clearly states on my parody o' home pages that my site is
a PARODY OF HOME PAGES!
The prerequisite baby pic... The pet pic... The poem... The blog...
Boring personal info no one but me, and a half-dozen of my closest
friends gives two shits about...
Soooooge, the poem is *supposed* to be a joke!
As I said the other day, wake up and smell "the coffee stirring in
(your) mug"! (Wanker.)
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"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
The sad part is you actually wrote that poem in earnest and then put it on
that page because you were so ashamed of it. btw, even my coffee poem which
bty you think I take far too seriously was intended just as a little bit of
levity and was a 3 minuet exercise. I unlike you love mental gymnastics;
but please don't you try any you wouldn't want to give your tiny brain a
charlie horse, roflmao
Laura Fredericks
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:11:11 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
wrote in post:
>The sad part is you actually wrote that poem in earnest...
I actually wrote that on the subway. What I described in that
stooopid poem I *really saw*, lol!
>I unlike you love mental gymnastics...
Sorry, Sooooooge, the judges didn't give you a very good score. They
said your (code) routines were stolen.
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FYI; moving the mouse over several of the planets often displays typo's as
"orignl" and "origanl"
Intentional ?
Heather
>
> "Heather" <JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:apdh6j$jng3$1...@ID-99845.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> <Snipo>
>
> > Oh hell......here we go again with another convoluted bunch of lies
to
> > try and justify what you do........btw, answer Guillermito's charge,
why
> > don't you??
> >
>
understand.
"plane english"?? Boeing Aircraft??
>
> At least I am a purest where my writing is concerned; because I don't
> prostitute my writing; but rather I give my words away; because I
don't
> think someone should have to PAY for something that gave me so much
joy and
> comfort and a whole raft of others things that you most likely will
never
> feel because of your need to prostitute your writing to the media.
Horse puckey!! Some of us do WORK for a living......we don't collect
welfare/disability (mental in your case)/unemployment insurance, et al.
Do you honestly (no, strike that.....honesty isn't part of your genetic
code).....do you really think that the millions of people who work in
TV, media, communications, etc.......all refuse a pay cheque so they can
work for the 'joy of it"....bwa ha ha ha.
I also have no need to look up my
> family history; because I have a family bible which has my lineage
back to
> before we came to this country.
I am amazed that your ancestors knew how to read and write.......you
don't. And one can only assume they were lowly serfs looking to better
themselves.......too bad they failed.
Boring drivel snipped........
Hey, numb nuts.....I am Canadian remember. Not American, Aussie or
Kiwi. And my ancestry is WAY above yours in that they were ship
'owners', not mere captains.
>
> >
> > Don't count on it, idiot. I have been writing 'in many genres'
longer
> > than you have been stealing code. As has Laura, no doubt. And what
in
> > heck is "sequent domains".......another example of your <snicker>
> > excellent english?
Again.......what is 'sequent domains'........worm wriggler.
> >
> You on the other hand in order to fulfill a deadline or to
placate a
> boss
Wrong again, dickbrain........I am self-employed.
> You are starting to bore me;
Good.......now you know how the rest of us feel when we see your inane,
misspelled drivel and blatant lies, WANKER!!
hf
Heather
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >gave me so much joy and comfort...
>
> Well, you're right on *one* thing, Sooooge... *No one* should have to
> pay for your poetry.
>
> COFFEE
> By Paul Bryant
>
> Coffee swirling in my mug
> Way to hot to chug a lug
> The warmth spreads as it goes down
> In the kitchen or down town
> Coffee here coffee there
> A little caffeine to get me where
> My eyes don't droop or fall asleep
> A pick me up that can't be beat
> Some like instant some like perked
> Every one knows its' worth
> The time it takes to make a cup
> If you need a pick me up
>
> Note: The above was cut/paste from Soooooooge's site; all typos,
> errors, etc. are HIS. To read more orignal [sic] poems from The
> Sugien, please visit his poetry page on his website:
> http://www.dino-soft.org/poems.html
>
> (I know *I'm* comforted, now. *You* comforted, Heather?)
Profuse, projectile vomiting!! Gawd, that is awful. I am 'comforted'
to know that he sure ain't a poet.........blech!! And there is no way I
would subject myself to any more crap like that.......shudder!!
Heather
Heather
>
> "Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:19:20 GMT, "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net>
> > wrote in post:
> > >At least I am a purest where my writing is concerned; because I
> > >don't prostitute my writing; but rather I give my words away;
> > >because I don't think someone should have to PAY for something that
> > >gave me so much joy and comfort...
> >
> > Well, you're right on *one* thing, Sooooge... *No one* should have
to
> > pay for your poetry.
> >
> > COFFEE
> > By Paul Bryant
Oh no, Laura.....please do not subject us to any more of his juvenile
ramblings........
I wonder what is Heather's excuse for not
> posting any of her for lack of a more descriptive word because I just
can't
> think of an adjective to adequately express my contempt for what she
> mentally calls her "writing" Well how about it Heather? Laura says
she is
> a writer; but it is only that she writes by editing the works of
others
> what's your excuse?
No excuse, don't need one. I see no reason to put my writings on a.c.v.
alongside your puerile excuse for same. Besides, mine is history and
journalism and you are obviously only interested in what goes in your
stomach, not your mind.
HF
Heather
Figgs 8-))
Sugien
>
> "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:cesu9.35853$Lg2.9...@news2.news.adelphia.net...
> >
> > "Heather" <JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:apdh6j$jng3$1...@ID-99845.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > <Snipo>
> >
> > > Oh hell......here we go again with another convoluted bunch of lies
> to
> > > try and justify what you do........btw, answer Guillermito's charge,
> why
> > > don't you??
> > >
> >
> > I am starting to think you and some others just can not understand
> plane (sic) english. Just exactley (sic) what part of that don't you
> understand.
>
> "plane english"?? Boeing Aircraft??
> >
>>
> welfare/disability (mental in your case)/unemployment insurance, et al.
Some people don't have the luxury of working because they can not do so
*physical*. Just because a person is *physical* disabled it doesn't make
then less of a person
> Do you honestly (no, strike that.....honesty isn't part of your genetic
You sure are trying very hard to think it isn't
> code).....do you really think that the millions of people who work in
> TV, media, communications, etc.......all refuse a pay cheque so they can
> work for the 'joy of it"....bwa ha ha ha.
Some of them, well at least the very good ones, do pieces because they need
the exposure and do so *for free* and donate their time; because their very
lucrative jobs allows them to do so; but then someone like you would not
understand the need to try and bring about social change or to try and help
the human condition simply because it need doing even if a paycheck isn't
attached.
>
> I also have no need to look up my
> > family history; because I have a family bible which has my lineage
> back to
> > before we came to this country.
>
> I am amazed that your ancestors knew how to read and write.......you
> don't. And one can only assume they were lowly serfs looking to better
> themselves.......too bad they failed.
They succeeded quite well, you most probably would be amazed at some of
people in my family tree; but I neither feel the need to boast nor rub your
nose in it; simply because it isn't in my nature to do so.
>
> Boring drivel snipped........
*read* stuff you could not come up with some type of almost believable lie
about
>
> Hey, numb nuts.....I am Canadian remember. Not American, Aussie or
About the only way my nuts would be numb would be because they froze from
pure fright at the thought of their acutely being such a butt ugly or is
that *butfuggley* female such as you.
> Kiwi. And my ancestry is WAY above yours in that they were ship
> 'owners', not mere captains.
Why is it those that think they have some type of cast system still in
effect? They most probably were slave owners also and those ship owners
were probably diddeling there slaves and that is where you family got all
there money because instead of having to buy slaves they just bread them
using the males of your family to bread to the slave females and the wives
of the owners were used to bread even more slaves; but of course if one came
out that was passable they would keep it just to get some genes into the
family that wasn't inbreading.
> >
> > >
<snip>
>
> Wrong again, dickbrain........I am self-employed.
Hmmm you say you are self-employed as a dickbrain? just how does that work?
do you allow every tom dick and Harry to put it in one ear until it comes
out your other ear? You do you just frick them until they go all stupid?
>
> > You are starting to bore me;
>
> Good.......now you know how the rest of us feel when we see your inane,
> misspelled drivel and blatant lies, WANKER!!
>
> hf
>
I think I may just have to place you into the idiot category; because you
have a foul mouth, what you say I have one too? well I usually give as good
as is sent. Now you are going to say a good Christian man should not be
using such words, well for the uninformed and heathen line you let me
explain. Just about the only curse words is to take the lords name in vain
which I never have and never will. The last resort of a small mind is
profanity and you have shown you small mind several times. I however have
an excuse; because I was simply answering your profanity and seeing as how
you have shown you have a small mind I figured I needed to use such words so
as you will maybe understand.
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Sugien
What did you do forget and look in the mirror again, lol
> to know that he sure ain't a poet.........blech!! And there is no way I
> would subject myself to any more crap like that.......shudder!!
>
> Heather
>
Well if you are such an excellent writer lets see some of it? come on
everyone wants to see, or are you afraid it won't stand up to the light of
day so to speak. Or what is more likely you would be destroyed if anyone
(well maybe anyone other then I) had anything even mildly critical to say
about it. Here let me put it into terms even a dim wit like you can
comprehend. Put up or shut up:p
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optikl
>
> > You should learn to quit when you're ahead.
>
> You're joking, right?
>
He could have walked away with a compliment. But he didn't.
E3m3M
> - when he stole a nice phrase from an acv contributor for his local
> newspaper column. The most funny part is that Brian Barlev (another
> interesting individual for the two reasons cited above) pointed out
> the plagiarism - something that was definitely not easy to spot:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3adca168.6437931%40news.paradise.net.nz
As they say one might guess? it takes one to spot another... ;o(
> And, no, I don't think Sooooge is a totally corrupted guy or an idiot.
> He's just a little bit delusional, and I have to admit that his
> constant and lenghty denials of evidences that cannot be denied have
> some surrealistic poetic qualities :)
Abso!ute!y... :o)
Noho ora mai,
Brian - aka Aotearoa's Mi!!ennium Viking
http://fourq.host.sk/Oddjob.jpg
Courtesy of 4Q, G'd bless him!!!
Sugien
what is the mater afraid even my coffee poem is better?
> alongside your puerile excuse for same. Besides, mine is history and
> journalism and you are obviously only interested in what goes in your
here you go here is a url to a web page by a friend of mine whom I have
helped to learn html and pc repair. If you are a history buff at all you
would have a desire to learn about just about any type or era of history and
not just the parts of history that fulfill a need within yourself to puff
yourself up by finding in the history you are compelled to study to try and
find famous personages in your family tree. His page has won several awards
for excellence for his American Civil War pages in general and his pages on
the 73rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry:
http://home.adelphia.net/~73rdovi/
> stomach, not your mind.
>
> HF
>
Laura put one of hers on line, what is the matter are you afraid that your
writings would pale in comparison to here <humongous loud rip roaring
snicker> story?
James Egan
<JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh hell......here we go again with another convoluted bunch of lies to
>try and justify what you do........btw, answer Guillermito's charge, why
>don't you??
You start off by telling him to take a rest. Now you're seeking to
perpetuate the whole tired affair. In any case no charge was made. He
just re-posted the url's from the last time this all blew up. As
Guillermito said, it was over a year ago and he already had a severe
slagging for it then.
Optikl got it just about right when he said sugien should have quit
while he was ahead, which he was after Laura resurrected the affair by
unjustifiably questioning whether a graph drawing program was more of
the same.
But no, sugien had to carry on and on. And now he's fighting a flame
war on half a dozen fronts. Laura must be laughing her socks off.
Jim.
Bart Bailey
>
>
> He is the champion of digging out the hole in which he is standing
> faster and deeper than people can shovel shit on top of him...
China syndrome aspirations?
(maybe come out on top somewhere else)
Bart Bailey
> "Bart Bailey" <bar...@nethere.net> wrote in message
> news:3DBA49F9...@amsat.org...
> > Heather wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Do you even know what genealogy is?? And I have spelled it properly for
> > > you so you can find it in a dictionary.
> >
> > genealogy - deals with geniuses, or negiuses, or sugienses,
> or.........;-)
> >
>
> Hey Bart, is this thing on? Please reply ASAP ok? thank joo
>
>
I got tired of waiting after 2 minutes of nothing.
Sugien
"optikl" <opt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ZkCu9.27524$Mb3.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Surely you are not that naive? Do you really thing he was
complimenting me, or as what is closer to the truth he was trying to set me
up. I will however give him some credit; because imo it was a very well
crafted set up in as much that it was a "Danged if I accepted the compliment
and double danged if I didn't"
Had I accepted and simply said "Than You", there are several ways that
would have played out. the most likely of the replies would be that he
would have said "You are more dense then what I had first thought if you
think I was giving you a compliment; because you sure can't tell a sarcastic
comment, can you".
If my reply was to not reply at all, then most probably he would have
just said something like "You are an ass, you can't even thank someone that
has given you a compliment. You better at the very least learn to thank
people when they give you a compliment; because if your performance here is
any indication of your ability to garner compliments now or in the future,
you better get down on your knees and thank anyone and every one that does
give you a compliment be it deserved or not; because it is quite likely that
at any time, any compliment at all could be the last"
What however is the more likely is that he simply tried to bait the
hook toss it out and see what could be caught with it. If I thanked him , he
would deny it was a compliment. If I said nothing he would say I was
conceited and full of myself. If someone else said one of several possible
scenarios like your or others equally more or less geared to garner him some
type of reply aimed at some sort of put down of me by he.
Even this reply to your response to Nick FrizzledBrain's quaint "You're
joking, right?" will probably be replied to by GutterBoy saying something
about how I am getting gun shy so to speak in as much that my brain cell is
getting so confused so as to make me doubt my own name let alone whether or
not a compliment was real.
I have one further thing to say to you in the first place. Just where
in all that contrived mess uttered under the hospice of trying to compliment
me while at the same time laying me out to the dogs did you see a compliment
in the first place?
Sugien
"E3m3M" <em...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4e697509.02102...@posting.google.com...
> Guillermito recalled:
<snip for brevity>
>
> > And, no, I don't think Sooooge is a totally corrupted guy or an idiot.
> > He's just a little bit delusional, and I have to admit that his
> > constant and lenghty denials of evidences that cannot be denied have
> > some surrealistic poetic qualities :)
>
> Abso!ute!y... :o)
<another itty bitty snip>
Surely you can see that for what it truly is? Just in case you can not
however here is the same quote as above but with the obvious (at least to
me) double meaning reviled.
"And, no, I don't think Sooooge is a totally corrupted guy or an idiot."
Here GutterUtter is flat out stating he thinks I am a corrupt person only
that I am *Crest corrupted" or that I am 99 and 44 one hundreds percent pure
corrupted. Although a lot more vague the other part is an old shrink's
trick using the subconscious to fill in the sort of implied words. Seeing as
how I am not *totally corrupted* the subconscious fills in around the word
"idiot" and what a person hears in their mind while reading it is: almost
totally corrupted and not quite a complete idiot. Now had he left off the
"an" and left the line read the way he intended for the reader to hear all
along it would have read "And, no, I don't think Sooooge is a totally
corrupted guy or idiot" and that would imply that I was almost a complete or
to use the above analogy that I am a 99 and 44 one hundreds percent pure
idiot.
The rest of it needs to be used in its entirety to get his meaning:
"He's just a little bit delusional, and I have to admit that his constant
and lengthy denials of evidences that cannot be denied have some
surrealistic poetic qualities :)"
"He's just a little bit delusional * this belies the jab by tempering the
delusional part with # a littlebit # but the reader mind wraps around my
being delusional just because he tried in vain to qualify it by saying I was
just a little bit is irrelevant; because delusional is delusional and it is
sort of like being a little bit pregnant because there is no such critter I
can only guess he thinks it delusional for someone to think when something
is given away for free that it can't be stolen*, and I have to admit that
his constant *hinting that because I constantly tell the truth about free
stuff not being able to be stolen* and lengthy denials of evidences that
cannot be denied * the truth of the mater is that what can't be denied is
that free stuff is free and can't be stolen- and although you have to give
him and a select few others credit for trying so hard to make the readers
believe their lie * have some surrealistic poetic * what is truly
surrealistic is their trying to sort of use the old catch 22 type of
maneuver to try and prove me guilty of stealing FREE material* qualities :)
*The quality he is smiling about here is his innate ability to get some
readers to believe a lie, and even though it has almost been a year or so
since he and his cohorts threw the dead dog out into the street again at
night hoping I would run over him so they could accuse me of killing a DEAD
DOG and I think that analogy about sums it up because once a dog is dead it
maters little how many times he is run over by the same person, that dog can
not be KILLED again and although it might be morally reprehensible to back
over and then drive over the doge several times that does not negate the
fact that the dog having already been killed can never be killed again for a
second time just as once source code is freely given away it can not be
stolen; for if it were so do you not think Xerox would have long ago sued
Apple and by proxy *because of Microsoft stealing Xerox's code from apple*
for stealing the source code for the GUI (Graphical User Interface) which is
the appidmy and direct resultant ipso facto Apple OS and Windows OS. I
still rightly contend that seeing as how source code that is given away for
free as what Xerox (and the source code given to me freely by PSC) did to
Apple and Xerox's inability to sue Apple to get back the source code for the
Apple OS which Xerox freely gave to Apple, then I can NOT be called a code
ripper for having stolen source code; because for the umpteenth and
hopefully LAST time I C A N N O T S T E A L S O M E T H I N G T
H A T I S G I V E N A W A Y F O R F R E E"
p. s.
Sooner or later (hopefully much much sooner) if the GOBAD's (Good Ole Boys
Antivirus Dimmestbulbs) keep throwing the dead dog (dead dog = accusing me
of stealing FREE source code) because of my inability to allow anyone accuse
me of something I have not done especially accusing me of stealing something
which was given to me for free. Sooner or later that dead dog will simply
turn into a greasy spot; because it already has been a bone of contention
until that turned into a smelly (name calling on both sides) greasy spot
which will hopefully evaporate in the light of reason when they finally get
off their high horse and just admit that the bwad owlue hillsbillis sort of
some how figured out without a university degree how to weagalley and in
their mind steal something that is given away for free.
Geee-mo-nee golly Whiz people that thar suar were soomee big ole
princapls that thar wittle ole hillbilly use-sa-ed all of that just to
parouved vat N E chile no's
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http://dinosoft.inetcam.com* A person can NOT steal something that is give
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Sugien
"James Egan" <je...@jegan.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:46:01 -0400, "Heather"
> <JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh hell......here we go again with another convoluted bunch of lies to
> >try and justify what you do........btw, answer Guillermito's charge, why
> >don't you??
>
>
> You start off by telling him to take a rest. Now you're seeking to
> perpetuate the whole tired affair. In any case no charge was made. He
> just re-posted the url's from the last time this all blew up. As
> Guillermito said, it was over a year ago and he already had a severe
> slagging for it then.
I gave em as good as they sent then as now. I proved then as I have now
that someone can NOT steal that which is given away for free.
>
> Optikl got it just about right when he said sugien should have quit
> while he was ahead, which he was after Laura resurrected the affair by
While I was ahead, *while?* I don't know what scoring rules you use; but by
my count I have never been behind; because to my way of thinking I can not
be behind until they can show me where I can steal something that is freely
given away?
> unjustifiably questioning whether a graph drawing program was more of
> the same.
Ah; but you see that is just the type of stupid error she and others
made by not being able to read for comprehension. Go back and read that
post about the graph program. See if you can see anywhere I even remotely
say anything about the program having been written by me. If memory serves
I only said that "I have a program" which she in error took to mean that I
wrote it. Well I also have a program called Windows; but I surely didn't
write it either.
So seeing as how she used a unjustified premise to start the whole
convoluted shebang all over again, I truly could *never* be behind in points
at all even in the slightest bit; because of her having mistakenly accused
me of saying I wrote a program which I clearly never said I did; but rather
only said I had it.
>
> But no, sugien had to carry on and on. And now he's fighting a flame
> war on half a dozen fronts. Laura must be laughing her socks off.
>
>
> Jim.
>
Actually she is probably hopping no one makes the connection of her unjustly
accusing me of stealing yet another program (the graph program). Or as you
so eloquently put it "unjustifiably questioning whether a graph drawing
program was more of the same." and then makes the connection and correctly I
might add that the previous accusations hold not more truth then what this
one does. The reason she is perpetrating it, is that she sincerely hopes in
the ensuing deluge of flames everyone' attention will be drawn away from the
fact that she was in error in her accusations this time and it scares her
(and probably others that jumped on the band wagon now same as before) to no
end that maybe a portion of the posters here will actually go back and red
the posts from last year and see that I was then as now completely innocent
of the charges of code ripping.
She (and others) hope that by there confusing of the issue this time by
bringing in elements of last time no one will see here error. When people
here realize that they to could be falsely accused and then be deluged with
cruel and unjust flames merely for doing something that was not only legal
but also done by problem considerably more fledgling programmers then they
could ever hope to try and beat down with flames and maybe she and others
hope that by their treatment of me they can sort of use me as an example to
any that would try and *legally* step out side the box and try and create
programs in a quick and legal and easy enough manner as to allow just about
any John Q. Public off the street to likewise create there own programs.
Maybe that is what scares not only them but maybe the entire
programming community of so called professional programmers. I mean if
just about anyone can buy a compiler program and then travel around the net
legally obtaining snippets of code that is freely given away. Then these
regular users sort of become empowered super users; because they are no
longer tethered to the high prices of software forced upon them; because of
the user not being able to simply write there own.
This must especially scare the GOBAD's (Good Ole Boy Antivirus
Dimmestbulbs) because their income would be drastically cut if the average
user could write there own antivirus software. True sadly the above is not
now a fact; but they are shaking in their boots that it might be. But
really I would drop this entire thing and never speak of it ever again, if
and here is the crux and qualification of the whole ordeal. If anyone can
show me anywhere in the law where it states that it is illegal to take
source code that is given away for free and used to create a program.
Finally you and others most always harass and chide me for defending
myself over and over and over. Well if you were unjustly accused of
stealing something and have that accusation done in a very public forum
would you not defend yourself each and every time the accusation was made?
I also continually defend my honor when it is disparaged unjustly; because I
have been accused unjustly and if they have the time to accuse I surely have
the time to defend. I do harbor the very remotely possible thought that
some time, some day, some how they will come to their senses and realize how
truly unjustly they have acted. Also I hang around in the hope that some
day someone with give them their just deserts and or there come upping. I
don't wish them any RL physical or other harm; but would have no problems
with there getting the virtual equivalent being recompensed equally and just
as what they have me.
Heather
>
> "Heather" <JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:apenou$uop8$1...@ID-99845.news.dfncis.de...
>
and
> > journalism and you are obviously only interested in what goes in
your
>
>
your
Nope, not in the least. I repeat once again.........I am a journalist,
not a poet. Have never claimed to be a poet......got it?
I also write on English and West Indian history.......which do tie in,
as Jamaica was populated by the English. I really don't think you would
be interested in things of that nature. A bit out of your 'frame of
reference'.
HF
Sugien
>
> "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:NqCu9.36065$Lg2.9...@news2.news.adelphia.net...
> >
> > "Heather" <JaneyS...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:apenou$uop8$1...@ID-99845.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > > alongside your puerile excuse for same. Besides, mine is history
> and
> > > journalism and you are obviously only interested in what goes in
> your
> >
> >
> > Laura put one of hers on line, what is the matter are you afraid that
> your
> > writings would pale in comparison to hers.....
>
> Nope, not in the least. I repeat once again.........I am a journalist,
> not a poet. Have never claimed to be a poet......got it?
I never said anything about you posting a poem; because iirc all I asked was
for you to post something you have written. Post some story you have
written, as even something as everyday as a personal journal entry can tell
a lot about someone's writing style. And no I am not actually suggesting
you post something personal out of either your journal or diary; but rather
maybe some story you have submitted somewhere at sometime for some reason
for publication for which as you say you were paid something. Don't get me
wrong, you don't *have* to it is only Laura posted here story, she posted
some of my poetry, and you have said you are a professional writer, I and
probably others would like to see some example of your writing skills.
After all you correct my posts should I not get a chance to see your
examples from which you draw your experience to correct my writing?
>
> I also write on English and West Indian history.......which do tie in,
Yes I can see that what with the importance of trade routes to the English
and a few other things I can think of.
> as Jamaica was populated by the English. I really don't think you would
> be interested in things of that nature. A bit out of your 'frame of
> reference'.
There is not much that does lye outside of my frame of reference; besides I
am continually looking for new ways, material and varying items of interest
to expand my endeavors to ascertain what the true limits of my propensity to
learn as much about as many different and varied things that I possibly can
which can only be limited by my capacity to absorb, retain and expound at a
later time upon what I have learned during previous excursions into my many
varied hobbies, interests and see which ones may have relevance to the other
either exclusively one to one on in many different and varying combinations
of equal and not so equal proportions. So as the man in the movie once said
"Bring it on" lol
>
> HF
FromTheRafters
"Nick FitzGerald" <ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3dba...@clear.net.nz...
> "optikl" <opt...@aol.com> wrote to Soooooge:
>
> > You should learn to quit when you're ahead.
>
> You're joking, right?
>
> grossly inferior and backward position and regresses as rapidly as
> can be imagined.
>
> He is the champion of digging out the hole in which he is standing
> faster and deeper than people can shovel shit on top of him...
>
> failings that are obvious to everyone else, so keeps making the
> same mistakes over and over and over and...
But at least *he* hasn't destroyed untold millions of dollars worth
of mostly yellow maybe Picasso's. ;o)
FromTheRafters
"optikl" <opt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ZkCu9.27524$Mb3.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
That's his s t y l e.
Guillermito
>The DinoStat program I did just put my name and logo
>into the source code.
Welcome to the programming "a la Sugien" :)
--
Guillermito
http://www.guillermito.net
FromTheRafters
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jslkrugctm1iusq8v...@4ax.com...
Coffee ~ why that one?
I liked 'Ode to a donut'
Mmmmm......donuts....brb
FromTheRafters
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
> Fyi, the link to the Bat Boy cartoon in my story works. (Thought
> you'd wanna see how silly I could be.) Enjoy!
> http://queenofcyberspace.com/batboy/
Great, after five years of not missing a single day of work, I had
to stare at that for nine hours today. Your gonna hear from my
lawyers.
Believe it!
F. T. Rafters
FromTheRafters
> > I am amazed that your ancestors knew how to read and write.......you
> > don't. And one can only assume they were lowly serfs looking to better
> > themselves.......too bad they failed.
>
> They succeeded quite well, you most probably would be amazed at some of
> people in my family tree; but I neither feel the need to boast nor rub your
> nose in it; simply because it isn't in my nature to do so.
One of my ancestors was a horse thief, or so I'm told.
Does that make me a bad person?
Going back a mere 6 or 7 generations, do you have any idea how many
ancestors that is? {hint, think binary and sum total}
I'm sure that there are some real wankers in there somewhere.
<anticipating the 'mirror' comment>
FromTheRafters
got my coffe an' donuts an' I'm watchin' th' three Stugiens on acv.
this is the life, well worth those stoplights I ran...hehehe.
Sugien
"Guillermito" <guill...@pipo.com> wrote in message
news:3p0kru0uk1qp37k9t...@news.asynchrone.net...
But I was legally allowed to so what you beef? Xerox also gave freely the
GUI interface to apple and all Apple did was to put there name on it without
changing a single line of code, so why are you not jumping all over Steve
Jobs and calling him a coderipper and thief? go ahead he did no more or less
what I did.
Sugien
"FromTheRafters" <!00...@nomad.fake> wrote in message
news:urmkmqo...@corp.supernews.com...
ty, both of those were each a three minuet execorize to see if to
complimentary poems could be written with each only taking 3 minuets or
less.
James Egan
wrote:
> Finally you and others most always harass and chide me for defending
>myself over and over and over. Well if you were unjustly accused of
>stealing something and have that accusation done in a very public forum
>would you not defend yourself each and every time the accusation was made?
I would if I could *honestly* say to myself that it was unjust, but
even a confused moron can differentiate between the use of other
people's free to use controls/code snippets as part of a program and
(as in the case of dinostat) a complete program written by someone
else with no extra functionality added.
You're not a fool. Surely you can see the difference the same as
everyone else. Or are you doing another "social engineering job" on
the group?
You will be advised to stick with defending against undue criticism
(as per the graph program thread) and let the rest drop as you are
only causing yourself unnecessary suffering and you've suffered enough
already.
Jim.
FromTheRafters
>
> "FromTheRafters" <!00...@nomad.fake> wrote in message
> news:urmkmqo...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:jslkrugctm1iusq8v...@4ax.com...
> >
> > Coffee ~ why that one?
> > I liked 'Ode to a donut'
> > Mmmmm......donuts....brb
> >
> >
>
> ty, both of those were each a three minuet execorize to see if to
> complimentary poems could be written with each only taking 3 minuets or
> less.
...and the subject matter was right at hand, no doubt. ;o)
Clay
wrote:
>There is not much that does lye outside of my frame of reference; besides I
>am continually looking for new ways, material and varying items of interest
>to expand my endeavors to ascertain what the true limits of my propensity to
>learn as much about as many different and varied things that I possibly can
>which can only be limited by my capacity to absorb, retain and expound at a
>later time upon what I have learned during previous excursions into my many
>varied hobbies, interests and see which ones may have relevance to the other
>either exclusively one to one on in many different and varying combinations
>of equal and not so equal proportions.
Bravo! That paragraph is_one_hell of a long sentence. :)
--
Clay
Wessel
"Clay" <se...@claymania.com> schreef in bericht
news:da8oruo08nu6vq486...@4ax.com...
And that is why people like Laura have a well paying job, editors cut it up
into reeadable sections. Except Laura will never have to edit Sugs, because
basically he has nothing to say.
WB Clay
Regards Wessel
Clay
wrote:
>And that is why people like Laura have a well paying job, editors cut it up
>into reeadable sections. Except Laura will never have to edit Sugs, because
>basically he has nothing to say.
Or lots to say about nothing.
Anyway, it really doesn't mater (intentionally sic) to me.
Category: "Mostly harmless"
Fun Factor: 7.5
Fatigue Factor: 9.5
>WB Clay
Lurkin, laughin, learnin.
>Regards Wessel
Best wishes,
--
Clay
Sugien
"Clay" <se...@claymania.com> wrote in message
news:da8oruo08nu6vq486...@4ax.com...
Well the way I see it, if they like to correct my posts, I just might as
well give them something to do during the up coming long cold winters
days<s>
--
http://www.dino-soft.org
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FromTheRafters
> Well the way I see it, if they like to correct my posts, I just might as
> well give them something to do during the up coming long cold winters
> days<s>
Once more with the Sugien SE © filter turned on:
Well the weigh eye sea it, if they like too correct my posts, aye just
mite as well give them some thing too do during the (upcoming?) [no
wait he had that wrong to begin with] up coming long coaled winters
[not winter's] daze. <BEG>
The filter software used was not written in whole or in part by me,
all credit goes to the original author who chooses to remain
anonymous. <it wasn't me . . really!>
Bart Bailey
I have a spelling checker -
It came with my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot sea.
Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no.
Its vary polished in it's weigh,
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a bless sing,
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when aye rime.
To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should be proud.
And wee mussed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaws are knot aloud.
And now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
Their are know faults with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.
Each frays come posed up on my screen
Eye trussed to bee a joule
The checker poured o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.
That's why aye brake in two averse
By righting wants too pleas.
Sow now ewe sea why aye dew prays
Such soft wear for pea seas
~~ anonymouse
Laura Fredericks
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:17:33 -0800, Bart Bailey <bar...@nethere.net>
wrote in post:
>Owed to the Spell Checker
<snip hysterical poem>
>~~ anonymouse
("Anonymouse"? Perfect "author" for this poem, hahaha!)
Bart, where did you find this poem -- or did *you* write it? It's a
riot! :-D
(So OT, but not.)
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Bart Bailey
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:17:33 -0800, Bart Bailey <bar...@nethere.net>
> wrote in post:
> >Owed to the Spell Checker
> <snip hysterical poem>
> >~~ anonymouse
>
> ("Anonymouse"? Perfect "author" for this poem, hahaha!)
>
> Bart, where did you find this poem -- or did *you* write it? It's a
> riot! :-D
>
> (So OT, but not.)
No, it's not mine,
I found it several years ago in a different group,
and don't even remember who posted it.
it just seemed apropos to the drift of this thread,
and some others too lately ;-)
FromTheRafters
"Bart Bailey" <bar...@nethere.net> wrote in message
news:3DBCD67D...@amsat.org...
That's a very good one ~ archived.
Andrew Lee
news:uhsiruge91om8ckd9...@4ax.com:
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:00:33 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Lee
> <gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk> wrote in post:
>
>>"Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net> a écrit
>>news:zk3u9.35156$Lg2.9...@news2.news.adelphia.net:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>respect.
> Uh, well, not really. Not re. "coderipping", anyway. Re-read the
> ENTIRE thread from 1991 posted by Guillermito:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?D28352E32
Ok, one worders don't quite convey it.
I was expressing a degree of surprise and not a little pleasure
at finding a Sugien post that was a. readable and b. worth reading.
I guess I just believe if you rip into people off when they goof, you
should praise them when they do well. Maybe I've just been a dad too long.
-AJ
Andrew Lee
news:b8Eu9.36132$Lg2.9...@news2.news.adelphia.net:
>I have one further thing to say to you in the first place.
this sentence is a contradiction in terms, you can't say one further thing
in the first place.
>Just where
> in all that contrived mess uttered under the hospice of trying to
> compliment me while at the same time laying me out to the dogs did you
> see a compliment in the first place?
hospice? - yes, I guess we should let this cancerous thread die in peace.
perhaps though you meant "auspices".
there is none so blind as one who will not see.
> --
> http://www.dildo-soft.org
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> ( )
> @###{ ]::::::Dildo-Soft Software::::::>
> (_)
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Andrew Lee
> Ok someone help me out here..this one has rumbled on and on
> intermittently for aeons...am I right in surmising that sugien has
> cobbled a few bits of code together and claimed it as his own?
> Someone once said to me (relating to writing essays but it applies to
> this too I guess) that ripping off one was plagiarism , ripping off
> two was research. I disagree ripping off more than one is just
> plagiarism on a bigger scale
There's a big distinction between using previous work as a basis for new
work - in fact, that is the basis for most of academia. No one has a
problem with that, because it is standard practice to credit the original
author, or to at least reference your sources. Read any book about any
academic subject and you will see an extensive bibliography and appendix of
references. No one disputes that one can take code, include it in a program
of ones own design and making, and call it yours, but there is a moral
requirement to credit other authors for any substantial portion of codes
used.
In Sugs' case he seems to believe that it is fine to take code in its
entirity, change the name of the author to his own, and pass it out with no
credit given. This, while it may be technically legal, is not something
that anyone with an ounce of moral fibre would do knowingly, let alone
boast about in public. What he is doing is equivalent of me taking Charles
Dicken's "Nicholas Nickelby" and putting my name on it, and selling it as
mine. As it's copyright free, maybe I could legally do it, but no one in
their right mind would believe that I actually should do it.
Re-read the
ENTIRE thread from 1991 posted by Guillermito:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D28352E32
-AJ
Laura Fredericks
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:26:17 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Lee
<gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk> wrote in post:
>In Sugs' case he seems to believe that it is fine to take code in
>its entirity, change the name of the author to his own, and pass it
>out with no credit given. This, while it may be technically legal,
>is not something that anyone with an ounce of moral fibre would do
>knowingly, let alone boast about in public. What he is doing is
>equivalent of me taking Charles Dicken's "Nicholas Nickelby" and
>putting my name on it, and selling it as mine. As it's copyright
>free, maybe I could legally do it, but no one in their right mind
>would believe that I actually should do it.
>
>Re-read the
>ENTIRE thread from 1991 posted by Guillermito:
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?D28352E32
...in particular the post from Soooooooge where he ADMITS putting his
name on the Finjan demo:
"I could have given him credit I suppose but then like some say 'I am
one of the bad guys' any way so, why not give them a little more
ammunition"
Link to above post, by Sugien:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2CB25542
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"Andrew Lee" <gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns92B6697E5...@194.238.50.13...
> "Sugien" <dino...@adelphia.net> a écrit
> news:b8Eu9.36132$Lg2.9...@news2.news.adelphia.net:
> >I have one further thing to say to you in the first place.
>
> this sentence is a contradiction in terms, you can't say one further thing
> in the first place.
Ahhh another frustrated school boy that had so many teachers correct his
term papers with a red pencil that he feel compelled as a I guess *adult*
tries and make up for it by correcting other people. Well guess what, I
could care less and had you looked past the end of your nose you may have
seen I meant just what I said; but I should have added a period after the
"you" and started a new sentence with the "In"
>
> >Just where
> > in all that contrived mess uttered under the hospice of trying to
> > compliment me while at the same time laying me out to the dogs did you
> > see a compliment in the first place?
>
>
> hospice? - yes, I guess we should let this cancerous thread die in peace.
>
> perhaps though you meant "auspices".
>
no hospice as is all those that presume to correct me when I could care less
about it. You and others that take it upon yourselves to correct spelling
and grammar are the apidimy (here you go another mis-spelled word) of
spoiled little children. You were most probably as a child corected very
sternly until you *maybe* got it right and now feel compelled to correct
other. You fail however to realize this is UseNet and people are now
looking for a literary award or even that caliber of writing and the meaning
of the post still comes through. Take your red pencil and stick it where
the sun don't shine, well first you probably should remove your head to make
room.
>
> there is none so blind as one who will not see.
>
>
> > --
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>
My my such vulgarity! do you talk to your momma with that mouth? hmmm let me
see if I can return the favor; but I will try and do so a little bit more
clever; because as I see you must have a small mind because "Cursing and or
vulgarity is the last resort of a very small mind"
>
>
> gladius, or glad di ars, I we we with my pee pee on me me. I don't have a
web cam; because >every time I put one up my ugly mug breaks it
http://gladius.ars.holes.R.us feel free to email me >gla...@i-am-a-putz.org
Sugien
This truly shows your ignorance. Better check you dates there Andy
boy, doncha think?
Also there is a considerable difference between writing literature and
writing programs. I will let you in on a little secret. I had started
giving credit for some of the programs I was writing; but that is when I
started getting accused of *stealing* programs. I have tried to point out
that you can't steal something that is given away for free. You in the
above came the closest to agreeing; but you still could not bring yourself
to come out right and say "Sugien did NOT steal any code, he only failed to
give credit for the code he legally used" could you?
After several have continually accused me of coderipping (stealing
code) I decided to go back to not giving credit; because I don't have to
legally, and if you and others can take the moral high ground saying the
morally I should give credit, yet crawl under the snakes belly by calling me
a thief then I choose to go back to not giving out credit that I am not
required to legally.
Maybe if you and others decide to do what is right and admit that I
have absolutely *NEVER* stolen or ripped (coderiped) any code then maybe I
will revert to giving credit even though I am not legally required to.
>
> -AJ
Sugien
"Laura Fredericks" <anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote in message
Have you ever went to Finjan's page and read what is said about the demo's
in question? Probably not or else you would have seen where Finjan says that
anyone that wishes my use the code in any way they see fit. That is exactly
what I did , I used the code the way I saw fit. It further states that
credit is *NOT* required for using the code. Not take that and stick one
thumb up your ars and blow on your other thumb until you explode.