- Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare?
Doug Bashford
barnega...@aol.com wrote
Re: Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare of the '70's
> I do remember;
> there was ONE very cold winter; Long Island Sound
> in New York State was frozen over.
>- But take a look at the sources you quote; Universally journalists.
Yep . This is no coincedence.
> Journalists make a living by getting their work
> published.. they entertain that's their job. As they say; No one ever
> gets a story published by saying " nothings going to happen"
Yep. And I do NOT remember a "cooling scare." And I was taking
Geology at the time. (Climate is HUGE in Geology!)
It was a non-issue at the time.
Sure, some journalists apperently found some climate
stuff to write about, but it was mostly a non-issue, an
unknown to people at the time. I never heard of it.
On 22 Apr 2007, Cato <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> And just where were these journalists getting their
> info from? Are you saying that Science Digest, Science Magazine, The
> Christian Science Monitor, Newsweek, The New York Times, The
> Washington Post, Science News, etc. etc. including, yes, teachers in
> the schools, were all pulling a "fast one" on everybody back then? It
> was all lies?
No, it was a neat little theory without much
evidence that nobody paid much attention to.
...a neat little theory -- not an issue.
Your attempt (ok, not yours, but global warming denialists')
to equate the two is sad at best, but actually it's
more a popular years-old propaganda lie used by Big Oil
et al. But to be fair, your source is the best researched
I've seen in ~15 years. Most only name one or two magazines.
You are also the first to claim academia was in on it.
Hard core anti-intellectualism, huh? Historically, stuff of
genocidal dictators.
Anyway, to quote from the George Will article you plagerized:
=========
Google results about 108 for "Science Digest (February
1973) reported that "the world’s climatologists are agreed""
=========
"Perhaps the problem is big crusading journalism."
--George Will April 3, 2006
Yer pissin up the wrong tree, Cato. At least Geo Will has
some intellectual honesty.
> A conspiracy put together by those publications?
Actually it is *YOU* (Geo Will) who patched together a handful
of articles over 20? years to make it sound like
a grand movement. ...and if false, a conspiracy.
Pretty slick, Cato, you get it both ways.
> Are
> these publications no better then the Weekly World News rag??
>
> If they were all proved to be liars, then they would have been
> raked over the coals, their reputations destroyed, and relegated to
> the level of cheap supermarket tabloids.
Liars !?
Laugh. Good jounalism often discovers obscure info and
presents it to the public. Now you are bordering on shrill.
Everybody here knows the difference between a pocket full
of magazine articles and actual scientific consensus...thousands
of scientists. Don't push yer luck.
> Never happened.
And now we know why, don't we?
> Do you realize they were getting there info from.. wait for it...
> scientists?
Yes??? Yer point?
could it be....
Uhm....individual scientists are human? Make errors?
And reporters may overstate or rush the hypothesis?
> Do you remember this?.....
> Fortune magazine actually won a "Science Writing Award" from the
> American Institute of Physics for its own analysis of the danger.
>
> "As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists
> have concluded that it is very bad news indeed,".... Fortune Magazine,
> February, 1974.
"a number??" "a number of leading climatologists" ????
You do understand the concept of "scientific consensus,"
right? As in it's HUGE, -- and "a number of" is almost meaningless?
You do understand that the concept of "scientific consensus"
is the backbone of science itself, right? ...the mortar
which joins all the difference sciences into; "Science?"
>
> That's right..... The American Institute of Physics,
> (Scientists), awarded Fortune magazine for what??
Uhm...I'm guessing...now just a wild guess mind you,
but....uhm...?...GOOD SCIENCE ???? <grin>
> Telling us all a
> lie?? As if they were not better then the Weekly World News rag???
Sounds to me like you need to learn a little philosophy
and method of science. Good science does not mean
"Word of God," Truth, nor even "scientific consensus."
The award may have been for good inquiry, discovery,
method, or whatever. Learn up on it.
I notice those who distrust science most, understand
it least. (Such as Limbaugh or "Creation Scientists.")
Next, your words come directly from a technique overused
(and invented?)
by Rush Limbaugh for 20 years on every "environmental"
issue from smoking, to ozone, catalytic converter, to
come down the pike. What!? No job loss? Jack booted
environmentalists aint gunna steal yer job, yer house,
yer wife, yer kids, yer freedom, and increase taxes!?
"Environmentalism is funded by the Commies!" -Rush Limbaugh
> Global warming proponents are accepting a good financial
> income from the global warming scare and have become global warming
> propagandists to promote their interests. These include some
> researchers who obtain research grants and some environmental
> organisations who need donations. They are making a living by
> promoting fear of man-made global warming. They have a vested interest
> in pulling this scam. And not just because of the money involved, but
> also because many of them have political goals that depend on the Man-
> Made Global Warming Scare.
In other words, "science can not be trusted."
Truth is unknowable. (So may as well go for simple feelsgoodisms.)
How Mao and Stalin of you guys.
> Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, said in written
Vaclav Klaus !!!! LAUGHINGGGGGGG!!!!!!
> testimony that global warming has turned into a religion that has
> replaced the ideology of communism and threatens basic freedoms. Mr.
> Klaus said the push to curb greenhouse gases would hurt poorer nations
> that can't afford modern technology. He compares radical
> environmentalists to Marxists, and says initiatives such as the Kyoto
> Protocol require enormous costs without any realistic prospect for
> success.
> Cato
Ah, I knew "sky is falling" had to come sooner or later.
Does anybody actually BUY this crap yer pitching?
--
When one gains a political certainty akin to
a loyal sports fan, one has achieved the final
tranquility of servitude, a joyous slavery.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude better than
the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that ye were
our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776
Doug Bashford
** "Fascism should more properly be called
** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Words mean something, Cato.
in rec.radio.shortwave, On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 about:
- Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare?
Cato <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> It's All A Lie.
> The Doomsday Prophets never give up. They will disappear for a
> while and then come back with something new to scare us with.
> And they have legions of "True Believers". Some of them on this
> very list as we can see.
> I would be really embarrassed to be one of them and shown to be
> a fool.
>
> Truth is the world will warm or cool on its own. And it will be
> natural, with little or no help from us.
...snip
Truth? Try a little scientific consensus:
===========
Science 3 December 2004:
Vol. 306. no. 5702, p. 1686
DOI: 10.1126/science.1103618Prev | Table of Contents | Next
Essays on Science and Society
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
Naomi Oreskes*
Policy-makers and the media, particularly in the United States, frequently
assert that climate science is highly uncertain. Some have used this as an
argument against adopting strong measures to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions. For example, while discussing a major U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency report on the risks of climate change, then-EPA
administrator Christine Whitman argued, "As [the report] went through
review, there was less consensus on the science and conclusions on climate
change" (1). Some corporations whose revenues might be adversely affected
by controls on carbon dioxide emissions have also alleged major
uncertainties in the science (2). Such statements suggest that there might
be substantive disagreement in the scientific community about the reality
of anthropogenic climate change. This is not the case.
The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Created in 1988 by the
World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental
Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a
basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed
and published scientific literature (3). In its most recent assessment,
IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that
Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities
... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that
absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over
the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse
gas concentrations" [p. 21 in (4)].
IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major
scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears
directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the
National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis
of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in
Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air
temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise" [p. 1 in (5)]. The
report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of
professional scientific thinking, and answers yes: "The IPCC's conclusion
that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have
been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately
reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue"
[p. 3 in (5)].
Others agree. The American Meteorological Society (6), the American
Geophysical Union (7), and the American Association for the Advancement of
Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that
the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling (8).
The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities
for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would
diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless,
they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was
tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific
journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the
keywords "climate change" (9).
The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of
the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals,
methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position.
Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either
explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with
methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic
climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the
consensus position.
Admittedly, authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying
paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural.
However, none of these papers argued that point.
This analysis shows that scientists publishing in the peer-reviewed
literature agree with IPCC, the National Academy of Sciences, and the
public statements of their professional societies. Politicians,
economists, journalists, and others may have the impression of confusion,
disagreement, or discord among climate scientists, but that impression is
incorrect.
The scientific consensus might, of course, be wrong. If the history of
science teaches anything, it is humility, and no one can be faulted for
failing to act on what is not known. But our grandchildren will surely
blame us if they find that we understood the reality of anthropogenic
climate change and failed to do anything about it.
Many details about climate interactions are not well understood, and there
are ample grounds for continued research to provide a better basis for
understanding climate dynamics. The question of what to do about climate
change is also still open. But there is a scientific consensus on the
reality of anthropogenic climate change. Climate scientists have
repeatedly tried to make this clear. It is time for the rest of us to
listen.
References and Notes
A. C. Revkin, K. Q. Seelye, New York Times, 19 June 2003, A1.
S. van den Hove, M. Le Menestrel, H.-C. de Bettignies, Climate Policy 2
(1), 3 (2003).
See www.ipcc.ch/about/about.htm.
J. J. McCarthy et al., Eds., Climate Change 2001: Impacts, Adaptation,
and Vulnerability (Cambridge Univ. Press, Cambridge, 2001).
National Academy of Sciences Committee on the Science of Climate Change,
Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions (National
Academy Press, Washington, DC, 2001).
American Meteorological Society, Bull. Am. Meteorol. Soc. 84, 508
(2003).
American Geophysical Union, Eos 84 (51), 574 (2003).
See www.ourplanet.com/aaas/pages/atmos02.html.
The first year for which the database consistently published abstracts
was 1993. Some abstracts were deleted from our analysis because,
although the authors had put "climate change" in their key words, the
paper was not about climate change.
This essay is excerpted from the 2004 George Sarton Memorial Lecture,
"Consensus in science: How do we know we're not wrong," presented at the
AAAS meeting on 13 February 2004. I am grateful to AAAS and the History
of Science Society for their support of this lectureship; to my research
assistants S. Luis and G. Law; and to D. C. Agnew, K. Belitz, J. R.
Fleming, M. T. Greene, H. Leifert, and R. C. J. Somerville for helpful
discussions.
10.1126/science.1103618
The author is in the Department of History and Science Studies Program,
University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093, USA. E-mail:
nore...@ucsd.edu
barne...@aol.com
Here is a link to the latest IPCC findinigs on Global Warming;
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=11216
"That document - which follows an IPCC study in February that
concluded with at least 90 percent certainty that humans are
responsible for Earth's recent warming - provides a more detailed look
at how emissions from automobiles, industry and other sources are
affecting life around the world. "
There is also the cheery thought that the folks who gave us " The War
In Iraq", based on Cherry picked ( or totally faked) facts;
- may have an interest in funding " Global Warming is Hooey Research"
In both films on the internet saying " no Such Animal" as Global
Warming, Huge
truck sized holes are trotted out in the research in the films, like
no one will notice..
- and, I do wonder if we are looking at " Forged Documents" or slick
editing as we saw four years ago .
K Isham
I read about how Al Gore explained how buying Carbon credits minimized
his "Carbon Footprint' when explaining why it takes $20,000 a month to
electrify his home.
Ken I
Doug Bashford
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:32:03 -0700, K Isham said about:
Re: - Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare?
> barne...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Here is a link to the latest IPCC findinigs on Global Warming;
big snip.
> I read about how Al Gore explained how buying Carbon credits minimized
> his "Carbon Footprint' when explaining why it takes $20,000 a month to
> electrify his home.
Al Gore supposedly bought extremely clean electricity,
possibly solar. Unlike most Carbon credits, this was
less "market force", and more green-force driven.
That is, that power would not have been on the grid
without greenies to pay extra for it. (I am guessing here.)
Thus, this was not typical useage of the Carbon credit system,
which is mainstream market driven.
> I'm confused, how does buying a Carbon Credit eliminate air pollution?
"Air pollution" here, means CO2. (clue: *carbon* credit)
It's a "market solution," it's advantage is
flexibility, it's less harsh on big polluters
such as coal-fired electric generators
than say, inflexible local pollution cap regulations.
And it pays generators for being extra clean.
Thus, it is less harsh on the industry as a whole.
The goal here is *total pollution reduction,* not
punishment of bad boys. This theory has some validity
since CO2 is not a local problem, it is a global
(total output) problem.
Roughly, it works like this.
An industry such as coal-fired electric generators
is given an overall pollution cap. (This is good,
since this cap either freezes or reduces total global
pollution.) Next, each generator is assigned
a fraction of (his share) of the total cap, based
on say, amount (his share) of electricity produced.
This share is converted into pollution credits.
The clean generators are rewarded for being
or getting clean, since they can sell their unused
pollution credits to the dirty generators that need
all the pollution credits they can get to stay legal.
Buying expensive pollution credits is punishment for
the dirty bad boys.
Typically the pollution caps reduce over time.
This system has largely failed in the EU because
the pollution credits were too cheap. Buying
credits became a cost of doing business, rather
than encouraging clean-up. The proper *value*
assignments are absolutly critical for it to work.
Also absolutlely critical is industry hands-off
of government in assigning value and in reducing caps.
Else, the above failure is likely. Thus, such a system
is likly to fail in bribery/fascist ridden nations
such as the USA. ...Uhm...I mean lobby-finance ridden.
** "Fascism should more properly be called
** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private power."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress.
cuh...@webtv.net
1960 or 1961 or 1962.On the cover of the magazine is a depiction/picture
of New York City solidly encapsulated in solid ICE,,,, and there is an
article about that in that there magazine too.
It's Global Coolin,y'all.
cuhulin
Cato
>
> --
>
> When one gains a political certainty akin to
> a loyal sports fan, one has achieved the final
> tranquility of servitude, a joyous slavery.
>
> "If ye love wealth better than liberty,
> the tranquility of servitude better than
> the animating contest of freedom,
> go home from us in peace.
> We ask not your counsels or arms.
> Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
> May your chains set lightly upon you,
> and may posterity forget that ye were
> our countrymen."
> - Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776
Scientific consensus?? Scientific Consensus is
NOT a synonym of "Certain Truth". But when the scientific expertise
to judge a scientific position is lacking,
they're going to rely on the Consensus. Consensus is a collective
opinion. "Scientific consensus" can be wrong. It is NOT scientific
evidence.
Consensus can change. It has in the past.
But what happens with these Global Warming Prophets of Doom, is
that they are True Believers in this new faith. and that is exactly
what it is. They are believing this whole thing on faith, with no
solid scientific evidence that mankind, (oops.... humankind), is
responsible. Except of course for the ones that know it is all a Big
Lie but are using it to further their Socialist political goals. They
are grasping at straw, and when people argue against them, they use
the weapons of the left, such as name-calling and nitpicking apart the
other sides argument. Mud-slinging is a favourite weapon of theirs.
Laugh at the opposition, call them a lot of names, do your best to
make them look stupid. Take advantage of any mistake they make. Fight
dirty if you have to.
Consensus is the OPINION of a groups of people. It is not hard
evidence of anything.
Consensus can change over time.
Consensus is not something that I would want to spend hundreds of
billions of dollars, or trillions of dollars on over a few degress of
warming that has a good chance of being natural, and not man made.
You want to bankrupt the western nations?
Because that is what it would take. And even then, the way Kyoto
is set up, it won't amount to a hill of beans as far as stopping
Global Warming.
Socialists! God they never quit in their quest to place more
and more control over our lives, and gain political control for
themselves. They will use anything and everything to further their
goals.
Cato
cuh...@webtv.net
have to kiss up and say what U.S.fed govt TELLS them to say and print.If
those ''scientist'' dont,they get Kicked Out.It is similar to the
U.S.''news media'' (U.S.''news media'',,, U.S.Ministry of Propaganda)
too.Look at what happened to Dan Rather.
cuhulin
Telamon
pla...@always.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
>
>
> barnega...@aol.com wrote
> Re: Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare of the '70's
>
> > I do remember;
> > there was ONE very cold winter; Long Island Sound
> > in New York State was frozen over.
>
> >- But take a look at the sources you quote; Universally journalists.
>
> Yep . This is no coincedence.
>
> > Journalists make a living by getting their work
> > published.. they entertain that's their job. As they say; No one ever
> > gets a story published by saying " nothings going to happen"
>
> Yep. And I do NOT remember a "cooling scare." And I was taking
> Geology at the time. (Climate is HUGE in Geology!)
> It was a non-issue at the time.
< Snip >
You need to read up on it then. It was a BIG issue before global cooling
came along.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
Forget about Big AL, I'll sell you carbon credits at half his price.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
pla...@always.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:32:03 -0700, K Isham said about:
> Re: - Global Warming? So What? Remember the Ice Age Scare?
>
>
> > barne...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Here is a link to the latest IPCC findinigs on Global Warming;
>
> big snip.
>
> > I read about how Al Gore explained how buying Carbon credits minimized
> > his "Carbon Footprint' when explaining why it takes $20,000 a month to
> > electrify his home.
>
> Al Gore supposedly bought extremely clean electricity,
> possibly solar.
< Snip >
Sorry, those credits were all used up simultaneously heating and cooling
one of his large mansions last month. Well, that and the hot tub.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Wolfowitz Mass Murder for OIL
Wolfowitz Not Fit for Leadership
By Michael S. Woodson | bio
How long does it take to accept a crystal clear reality: Paul
Wolfowitz is not a leader, but someone better suited for a
professional data crunching job in which he is not a policymaker,
analyst or decision maker.
At the Department of Defense and at the World Bank, Mr. Wolfowitz had
proven himself to be a bright man but a poor leader with bad
judgement. Intellectual gifts are not enough to be a good leader. One
has to have personal, emotional, empathic, perceptive, and virtuous
attributes. One has to have the ability to regard other people and
their best interests, as well as understand oneself in relation to
those others.
Exercising those qualities to a minimum degree would cause Wolfowitz
to execute the most useful and visionary leadership virtue of all:
humble himself and resign.
Kenny Rogers would be a good advisor to leaders. He'd know when to
fold 'em, when to walk away, and when to run.
Telamon
Wolfowitz Mass Murder for OIL
<Wolfowitz.Mass.Murder.for.OIL...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote:
> http://warrenreports.tpmcafe.com/blog/mike7woodson/2007/apr/23/wolfowitz_not_f
> it_for_leadership
>
> Wolfowitz Not Fit for Leadership
> By Michael S. Woodson | bio
< Snip >
Whack job.
< Plonk >
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Cato
And I do NOT remember a "cooling scare." And I was
taking
Geology at the time. (Climate is HUGE in Geology!)
Cato responds: I am not sure how you missed all the talk
about the Global Cooling back then. Ya, it was in all the major
magazines and newspapers. Discussions on radio talk shows etc. Even in
my school, teachers raised the issue. They were very concerned.
Visions of advancing glaciers wiping out cities. Scarey!
But then... I have notice how some people's memories seem
to be very selective when their memories don't agree with their
present beliefs or political goals.
Cato
RHF
DB,
The first one to meantion Rush Limbaugh
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/
{The Big Guy Who Is Full of Hot Air }
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh
Loses the Debate by Pumping the
Debate Full of Hot Air - You Lose !
The Limbaugh Gambit follows Godwin's Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
of OnLine Debating and is an Illogical Assumption
and Implies a Rush-to-Judgement {Certitude :o}
Next to Al Gore - Rush Limbaugh may be the . . .
Second Greatest Human Factor in Global Warming !
http://members.aol.com/trajcom/private/popco2.htm
as for me - i will have another samuel adams ~ RHF
.
.
. .
richard schumacher
skin burns? Stupid scientists.
Mass Murderers COALition
Effects of global warming being felt in China
Updated Sun. Apr. 22 2007 10:33 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
When it comes to the world's worst polluters, the United States still
leads the way, but China is set to soon take over as the largest
overall producer of greenhouse gases. Many are wondering if any steps
can be taken to ensure the country doesn't repeat the mistakes of the
West.
With China's growing population with growing wealth and mass
industrialization, the effects of global warming are already being
felt.
At the home of Li Wen Zhang in Langtougou, about 110 kilometres from
Beijing, years of warming temperatures have literally brought the
desert to Li's doorstep.
Dry conditions have turned his village's once-fertile farm fields into
a parched wasteland. His livestock live in sand dunes. Li's home is
almost covered over. A local river that once ran waist-deep with water
is now filled with sand.
"Some say I am like the fable of the old foolish man, trying to remove
a mountain," he says.
The climate in China has changed quickly. Scientists estimate that in
the last 50 years, the temperature in the populous country has
increased by one degree Celsius.
That may not seem like a lot, but it has devastated this region. A
local riverbed, for example, once flowed with water waist high; now it
flows mostly with sand.
Chinese cities are also feeling the stifling effects of global
warming. If it's not sand storms choking Beijing and other cities,
it's heavy pollution causing problems. Many airports have been forced
to close for hours at a time because pilots couldn't see through the
soup of haze.
The country's growing use of coal for energy has experts predicting
that by year's end, China will be the world's largest overall producer
of greenhouse gases, surpassing the U.S. -- although the U.S., Canada,
Australia and Luxemburg still produce far more greenhouse gases on a
per capita basis.
With international pressure mounting, China is starting to turn to
alternative energy sources. China is building windmill farms that
house more than 300,000 turbines. However, it also opens up a new coal-
fired power plant every week.
The government also plans to have its citizens curb electricity use by
20 per cent. But with a growing middle class consuming more power than
ever, few expect targets to be met.
"If there's only target without any implementation policy, the target
means nothing," said Ai Lun Yang of Greenpeace.
Chinese officials are urging the world to be patient, arguing it is
still a developing country that is faced with more pressing problems
like poverty.
In Li's village, the government donates thousands of trees to act as a
buffer against the desert.
But it will have to do far more to prevent China from becoming the
world's largest climate polluter -- and to control the damage that
global warming-driven climate change is causing.
cuh...@webtv.net
city in China.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Smith and Britney Spears threads.Why not start something else?
cuhulin
David
Science in the '70s was a quite different animal. That being said, an
ice age is still in the cards. The tropics hotter, the north much
colder.
cuh...@webtv.net
Whatever little bit of carbon dioxide Humans are putting into the
Atmosphere is insignificant compared to the Volcanoes.Volcanoes are a
happening thingy.There isn't anything Humans can do,or will ever do,that
can stop the Volcanoes from doing their Volcanoe thingys.
cuhulin
David
>David wrote:
>
>> Science in the '70s was a quite different animal. That being said, an
>> ice age is still in the cards.
>
>No, it's not. Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration at 383 ppm and
>rising at 2 to 3 ppm/year almost certainly forbids that, at least until
>the following cycle after things equilibrate in 100,000 years or so.
''Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a
deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.
That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate
scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb
or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast
heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power
generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average
temperature would likely drop 5 to 10蚓 (9 to 18蚌), and parts of
eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in
temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the
end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.''
David
>> Such a dip in
>> temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the
>> end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.''
>
>On a local scale. Local is not global. Short of a geological catastrophe
>is impossible for global average temperature to fall with atmospheric
>carbon dioxide concentration rising such that it is. So dream on.
>
>> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/05mar_arctic.htm
Whom do I believe, cos...@lifeform.org or NASA?
cuh...@webtv.net
Popular Mechanics magazines and Popular Science magazines.Look for those
magazines whch date back about four or five years.Look on the front
covers of those magazines.One of the front covers of those magaines (and
the article is in the magazine) says,,,,
NASA! YOU ARE BROKEN!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
The weather here is cooler (keep in mind,this is the Old Deep South
here,Mississippi) this time of year than I ever remember before.High
forecasted temperature for next Monday is 80 degrees.
Global warming is a bunch of Horse S..t! If anything at all,this old
Globe is cooling down.Al least around this neck of the Old Deep South
Mississippi,it is.
cuhulin
Telamon
David <ric...@knac.com> wrote:
Why the cos...@lifeform.org idiot of course.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Vendicar Decarian
"K Isham" <kis...@attglobal.net> wrote
> I'm confused, how does buying a Carbon Credit eliminate air pollution?
You issue credits for the production of x tonnes of Carbon, and then allow
the marketplace to decide how to best emit that carbon and maximize economic
dollar output at the same time under the new constratint.
"K Isham" <kis...@attglobal.net> wrote
> I read about how Al Gore explained how buying Carbon credits minimized his
> "Carbon Footprint' when explaining why it takes $20,000 a month to
> electrify his home.
To my knowledge Gore hasn't claimed to have purchased any carbon credits.
He has claimed to have purched carbon offsets. These are completely
different.
Carbon offsets, are basically a contract entered into with another company
to engange in activities that will reduce carbon emissions, or sequester the
carbon emissions equivalent to some component of your carbon emissions. In
Gore's case, the emissions resulting from his home energy use.
Oh, and Gore wasn't paying 20,000 a month to electify his home. Where did
you get that nonsense number?
And his Home isn't a home either, it includes 3 offices, his own, one for
his wife, the secret service, and of course rooms for guests, employees and
those secret service agents as well. And he has occupied it for less than a
year.
Vendicar Decarian
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Scientific consensus??
Yup...
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Scientific Consensus is NOT a synonym of "Certain Truth".
No, it's synonymous of virtually certain truth.
Scientific revolution is exceptionally rare
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> But when the scientific expertise to judge a scientific position is
> lacking,
> they're going to rely on the Consensus.
Wrong again. ShitLicker.
Scientific Consensus applies all the way down to the most base facts such
as 1+1=2.
The consensus view that 1+1=2 is still not proven in any absolute sense.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Consensus is a collective opinion.
Correct. And collective opinions hold far, far more weight than the vapid
assertions of Carbon Industry Shills, paid warming denialists, and
uneducated fools.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> "Scientific consensus" can be wrong. It is NOT scientific evidence.
No, but the consensus view is based on scientific evidence. And yes it
can be wrong, but very rarely so.
Now which to believe? The collective wisdom, and best opinion by the vast
majority of the worlds scientists? Or the constantly shifting, grasp at any
straw, pronouncements of a small band of industry shills?
Hmmmm Gee... I wonder.... Science or snake oil.
Who knows. Maybe the snake oil really is a cure all.
Right?
Vendicar Decarian
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> You want to bankrupt the western nations?
Listen to the economic chicken little crying that the sky will fall.
In reality, estimates of economic impact show a .2% decline in economic
output to solve this problem at worst to a 2% rise in economic output due to
increases in fuel consumptive efficiencies.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Because that is what it would take. And even then, the way Kyoto
> is set up, it won't amount to a hill of beans as far as stopping
> Global Warming.
Correct, it is the first step of many that are needed to reduce global
emissions by around 70% and AmeriKKKan emisions around 85-95%
Can't live with that? Too bad. Your choice is live within your
constraints, or die.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Socialists!
And now the cocksucker devolves into partisain politics. Science means
nothing to pieces of shit like Cato. Their KKKonservative Politics trumps
reality every time in their dung filled brains.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> God they never quit in their quest to place more
> and more control over our lives, and gain political control for
> themselves.
Capitulate or die Cato.. Capitulate or die.
Vendicar Decarian
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote
> You need to read up on it then. It was a BIG issue before global cooling
> came along.
Wrong again Shit Licker.
There was never any issue warning of imminent, dangerous global cooling
issued by the scientific community.
Why are you reapeating a lie?
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Damn! I think we got ourselves another mentally ill Canuck here!
Vendicar Decarian
"Wolfowitz Mass Murder for OIL"
<Wolfowitz.Mass.Murder.for.OIL...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote
> Wolfowitz is not a leader, but someone better suited for a
> professional data crunching job in which he is not a policymaker,
> analyst or decision maker.
Wolfowitz is a single pustule in a bad case of achne. In any civilized
nation he would be unemployeble since he is incapable of learning from his
past mistakes and since he is completely corrupt.
I wouldn't hire Wolfowitz to flip burgers since I can not trust him to avoid
spitting on the grill.
D Peter Maus
In 1972 it made the NBC, ABC and CBS evening news.
And it made radio news as well. Even the BBC was talking about it on
the World Service.
This was quite a big story. And yes, it came from the scientific
community.
> Why are you reapeating a lie?
Because it isn't.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
May must be the time for the hatching of the 'tards up in CanaDuh.
I'm LMFAO here!
Vendicar Decarian
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Cato responds: I am not sure how you missed all the talk
> about the Global Cooling back then. Ya, it was in all the major
> magazines and newspapers.
I remember Libertarian fools like Lowell Ponte trying to sell the story
But you know Libertarians... Completely and perpetually incompetent,
ignorant and corrupt to the core.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Discussions on radio talk shows etc.
Wow, there is scientific evidence for you.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> But then... I have notice how some people's memories seem
> to be very selective when their memories don't agree with their
> present beliefs or political goals.
Ya we notice that about you denialists all the time. Now can you find us
three references to peer reviewed journal articles from the period that
warned of an imminent onset of an ice age?
We have been asking you Lying FuckTards to provide just three references
for the last 15 years, and so far you haven't been able to provide one.
That makes you a liar, a fool, or both, in my books.
RHF
wrote:
(OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
VD - So are you the un-official apologist for Al Gore ?
Or actually a Paid Agent of the Democrat Party of the USA ?
If you are so keen on Carbon Credits... Then Hold-your-Breath
until Al Gore is re-elected to something important.
-if- i sound rich and phony - it's cause . . .
i am trying to sound just like al gore ~ RHF
.
.
. .
dxAce
RHF wrote:
More than likely just another dumbass Canuck. It's springtime, and the little
bastards get to run around for a few weeks.
D Peter Maus
Or as my ex-used to say, "all the little gonads have come out to play."
She didn't care for shortwave radio, either.
RHF
wrote:
> "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
> > Scientific consensus??
>
> Yup...
>
> "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
> > Scientific Consensus is NOT a synonym of "Certain Truth".
>
> No, it's synonymous of virtually certain truth.
>
> Scientific revolution is exceptionally rare
>
>
> > But when the scientific expertise to judge a scientific position is
> > lacking,
> > they're going to rely on the Consensus.
>
> Wrong again. ShitLicker.
>
> Scientific Consensus applies all the way down to the most base facts such
> as 1+1=2.
>
> The consensus view that 1+1=2 is still not proven in any absolute sense.
>
>
> > Consensus is a collective opinion.
>
> Correct. And collective opinions hold far, far more weight than the vapid
> assertions of Carbon Industry Shills, paid warming denialists, and
> uneducated fools.
>
>
> > "Scientific consensus" can be wrong. It is NOT scientific evidence.
>
> No, but the consensus view is based on scientific evidence. And yes it
> can be wrong, but very rarely so.
>
> Now which to believe? The collective wisdom, and best opinion by the vast
> majority of the worlds scientists? Or the constantly shifting, grasp at any
> straw, pronouncements of a small band of industry shills?
>
> Hmmmm Gee... I wonder.... Science or snake oil.
>
> Who knows. Maybe the snake oil really is a cure all.
>
> Right?
(OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
- - - Financed by US Tax Dollars -and-
at the Expense of the US Tax Payers
VD - So are you the un-official apologist for Al Gore ?
Or actually a Paid Agent of the Democrat Party of the USA ?
If you are so keen on Carbon Credits... Then Hold-your-Breath
dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
Heck, shortwave is always fun. Women come, and women go. Shortwave radio hardly ever
complains and is relatively easy on the wallet.
D Peter Maus
Actually, I like the Howard Hughes approach...it's cheaper to buy an
airline.
>
RHF
wrote:
> "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
> > You want to bankrupt the western nations?
>
> Listen to the economic chicken little crying that the sky will fall.
>
> In reality, estimates of economic impact show a .2% decline in economic
> output to solve this problem at worst to a 2% rise in economic output due to
> increases in fuel consumptive efficiencies.
>
>
> > Because that is what it would take. And even then, the way Kyoto
> > is set up, it won't amount to a hill of beans as far as stopping
> > Global Warming.
>
> Correct, it is the first step of many that are needed to reduce global
> emissions by around 70% and AmeriKKKan emisions around 85-95%
>
> Can't live with that? Too bad. Your choice is live within your
> constraints, or die.
>
>
> > Socialists!
>
> And now the cocksucker devolves into partisain politics. Science means
> nothing to pieces of shit like Cato. Their KKKonservative Politics trumps
> reality every time in their dung filled brains.
>
>
> > God they never quit in their quest to place more
> > and more control over our lives, and gain political control for
> > themselves.
>
> Capitulate or die Cato.. Capitulate or die.
(OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
- - - Financed by US Tax Dollars -and-
at the Expense of the US Tax Payers
VD - So are you the un-official apologist for Al Gore ?
Or actually a Paid Agent of the Democrat Party of the USA ?
VD - Most likely a Paid-in-Fool Agent of the
Democrat Party of the USA ? -cause-
# 1 - The Liberal {Northern} Democrats always like
to Spell the Words 'America' and 'American' with
the Capital Letters "KKK" instead of a 'c' as you
have done "AmeriKKKan".
# 2 - "KKKonservative" form of Race Baiting Coded Spelling
and Hate Speech use by the Liberal {Northern} Democrats.
VD - Like the use of the word "NAZI" in a Debate the
Letters "KKK" have the same import for Americans.
- - - YOU LOSE [.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
If you are so keen on Carbon Credits... Then Hold-your-Breath
until Al Gore is re-elected to something really important.
RHF
wrote:
VD -if- I wanted your 'opinion' I'd ask Hillary ! :o)
(OT) : "VD" Has Arrived At A NewsGroup Near You !
obtw - some how the initials 'vd' fit you to a tutu ~ RHF
then again 'vd' could stand for 'violently disturbed'.
.
.
. .
RHF
wrote:
> "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
> > Cato responds: I am not sure how you missed all the talk
> > about the Global Cooling back then. Ya, it was in all the major
> > magazines and newspapers.
>
> I remember Libertarian fools like Lowell Ponte trying to sell the story
>
> But you know Libertarians... Completely and perpetually incompetent,
> ignorant and corrupt to the core.
>
>
> > Discussions on radio talk shows etc.
>
> Wow, there is scientific evidence for you.
>
>
> > But then... I have notice how some people's memories seem
> > to be very selective when their memories don't agree with their
> > present beliefs or political goals.
>
> Ya we notice that about you denialists all the time. Now can you find us
> three references to peer reviewed journal articles from the period that
> warned of an imminent onset of an ice age?
>
> We have been asking you Lying FuckTards to provide just three references
> for the last 15 years, and so far you haven't been able to provide one.
>
> That makes you a liar, a fool, or both, in my books.
(OT) : VD Is Speading . . . {Democrat Party Lies}
VD - Al Gore's Global Warming Comic Books
-arn't really- Books -butt- enjoy the pictures . . .
VD - Better to be "Libertarian Fools" : Then one more
Outright Lying Democrat [.] ~ RHF
VD - Preach that Democrat Party of the USA
party line about Libertarians being Fools.
Spread the Lies !
Spread the Propaganda !
Spread the Hate !
.
.
. .
hanson
news:1179794955.1...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Scott Nudds as "Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" aka "Wolfowitz Mass Murder for OIL"
>> <Wolfowitz.Mass.Murder.for.OIL...@Exxon-Turds.info> wrote
>> > How long does it take to accept a crystal clear reality: Paul
>> > Wolfowitz is not a leader, but someone better suited for a
>> > professional data crunching job in which he is not a policymaker,
>> > analyst or decision maker.
>>
>> Wolfowitz is a single pustule in a bad case of achne. In any civilized
>> nation he would be unemployeble since he is incapable of learning
>> from his past mistakes and since he is completely corrupt.
>> I wouldn't hire Wolfowitz to flip burgers since I can not trust him to
>> avoid spitting on the grill.
>
This is one of the very few times that I cannot argue against the
emotionions that "Awe Shit" and "Scuttle Nutts" have expressed
above. Wolfowitz, Perle et al, "the architects of the Gulf war",
had succeeded in goading Bush into going after Saddam:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/d6771702a25a4260
>
[RHF]
> VD -if- I wanted your 'opinion' I'd ask Hillary ! :o)
> (OT) : "VD" Has Arrived At A NewsGroup Near You !
> obtw - some how the initials 'vd' fit you to a tutu ~ RHF
> then again 'vd' could stand for 'violently disturbed'.
> .
... ahaha.. Scotty is symptomatic of geriatric thyroid problems.
Vendickarse DickArian certainly doesn't have all the cups in his
cupboard but he is hilariously funny. Here is his cyber cv:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/918834b01a4d154d
Thansk for the laughs!.... ahahaha... ahahanson
hanson
news:465233E1...@milestones.com...
> Scott Nudds aka Scuttle Nutts aka Vendicar Decarian wrote:
>
>> "Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote
>> > You need to read up on it then. It was a BIG issue
>> > before global cooling came along.
>>
>> Wrong again Shit Licker.
>> There was never any issue warning of imminent,
>> Why are you reapeating a lie?
>
> Damn! I think we got ourselves another mentally ill Canuck here!
>
VD-Scotty certainly doesn't have all the cups in his cupboard but
Vendickarse DickArian is NOT Canadian. Here is his cyber cv:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/918834b01a4d154d
ahahaha... ahahanson
Cato
>
> > Cato responds: I am not sure how you missed all the talk
> > about the Global Cooling back then. Ya, it was in all the major
> > magazines and newspapers.
>
> I remember Libertarian fools like Lowell Ponte trying to sell the story
>
> But you know Libertarians... Completely and perpetually incompetent,
> ignorant and corrupt to the core.
>
>
> > Discussions on radio talk shows etc.
>
> Wow, there is scientific evidence for you.
>
>
> > But then... I have notice how some people's memories seem
> > to be very selective when their memories don't agree with their
> > present beliefs or political goals.
>
> Ya we notice that about you denialists all the time. Now can you find us
> three references to peer reviewed journal articles from the period that
> warned of an imminent onset of an ice age?
>
> We have been asking you Lying FuckTards to provide just three references
> for the last 15 years, and so far you haven't been able to provide one.
>
> That makes you a liar, a fool, or both, in my books.
> Wrong again Shit Licker.
> And now the cocksucker devolves into partisain politics. Science
means
>nothing to pieces of shit like Cato. Their KKKonservative Politics trumps
>reality every time in their dung filled brains.
In my book, anybody that lowers themselves to the level of sewer scum
by using filthy dusgusting language like Vendicar Decarian does, has
already lost any argument. Decarian obviously has a very limited and
disgusting vocabulary. This is an example of extremely low level of
limited intelligence. People of intelligence have no need of such sick
filth used in debate. I can just picture Vendicar Decarian with his
mouth hanging open and stinky watery diarrhea with little chunky bits
spewing out of his mouth. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, pretty funny!!
Decarian is really showing a neanderthal level of intelligence
with his mouth spewing his diarrhea at anyone he disagrees with. Total
inability to carry on an intelligent and civilized debate with those
he disagrees with, without filth coming out of his mouth. Vendicar
Decarian is a real mentally sick example of a human being.
I can't wait to see how he responds.....
Cato
dxAce
Cato wrote:
Typical Canuck...
Vendicar Decarian
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote
> (OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
> To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
Sorry, I never use credit cards. They are for patsies like you.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> More than likely just another dumbass Canuck. It's springtime, and the
> little
> bastards get to run around for a few weeks.
15 more AmeriKKKans died in Iraq over the weekend.
More AmeriKKKan death to follow.
Ahahahahahahahahaha...... The more AmeriKKKan death in Iraq and Afghanistan
the better.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Heck, shortwave is always fun. Women come, and women go. Shortwave radio
> hardly > ever complains and is relatively easy on the wallet.
Translation, unlucky at love, unlucky at life. A clueless, weifax loser.
Vendicar Decarian
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote
> (OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
> To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
Sorry, I never use credit cards. They are for losers like you.
Vendicar Decarian
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote
> (OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
> To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
Sorry, I never use credit cards. They are for losers like you.
Vendicar Decarian
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote
> VD -if- I wanted your 'opinion' I'd ask Hillary ! :o)
If I wanted to smell your breath I'd sniff a sewer.
Vendicar Decarian
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote Nothing but Ignorance.
Meanwhile...
Religious leaders urge action on warming
----------------------------------------
- May 22,2007 -
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders are urging
President George W. Bush and Congress to take action against global warming,
declaring that the changing climate is a "moral and spiritual issue."
In an open letter to be published on Tuesday, more than 20 religious groups
urged U.S. leaders to limit greenhouse gas emissions and invest in renewable
energy sources.
"Global warming is real, it is human-induced and we have the responsibility
to
act," says the letter, which will run in Roll Call and the Politico, two
Capitol
Hill newspapers.
"We are mobilizing a religious force that will persuade our legislators to
take
immediate action to curb greenhouse gases," it says.
The letter is signed by top officials of the National Council of Churches,
the
Islamic Society of North America and the political arm of the Reform branch
of
Judaism.
Top officials from several mainline Christian denominations, including the
Episcopal Church, United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, African
Methodist Episcopal Church and Alliance of Baptists also signed the letter,
along with leaders of regional organizations and individual churches.
Rev. Joel Hunter, a board member of the National Association of
Evangelicals,
also signed the letter, though that group has not officially taken a stance
on
global warming due to opposition from some of its more conservative members.
Telamon
"Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "K Isham" <kis...@attglobal.net> wrote
< snip >
Another nut case for the kill file.
< Plonk >
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Michael Black
Here's another clue bozo. If it's cross-posted, don't respond either.
That's in addition to not responding because it's off-topic.
You are now right up there with the village idiot in qualifying for
most damaging to rec.radio.shortwave
I hope you're happy, because I'm sick of it.
Michael
Vendicar Decarian
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> In my book,
You have no book, you are an illiterate, scum sucking, moron.
As are all Libertarians by the way.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> anybody that lowers themselves to the level of sewer scum
> by using filthy dusgusting language
Cato doesn't mind his fellow Libertairians promoting child molestation as
long as they don't discribe the cock sucking and buggery.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Decarian obviously has a very limited and disgusting vocabulary.
Cato would rather complain than think about the issues raised about his
immorality, corruption and ignorance.
How typically Libertarian of him.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> I can just picture Vendicar Decarian with his
> mouth hanging open and stinky watery diarrhea with little chunky bits
> spewing out of his mouth.
No doubt the scatalogical images you have just fabricated for yourslef
turn you on.
Libertarian Pedophiles are common enough, your Scatalogical preferences
are hardly surprising.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Cato responds: I am not sure how you missed all the talk
> about the Global Cooling back then. Ya, it was in all the major
> magazines and newspapers.
I remember Libertarian fools like Lowell Ponte trying to sell the story
But you know Libertarians... Completely and perpetually incompetent,
ignorant and corrupt to the core.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Discussions on radio talk shows etc.
Wow, there is scientific evidence for you.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> May must be the time for the hatching of the 'tards up in CanaDuh.
> I'm LMFAO here!
15 more Dead AmeriKKKans this weekend in Iraq several years after the
AmeriKKKan VP lied to the AmeriKKKan publiKKK and claimed that the
resistance was in it's death throws.
I'm laughing my ass off here.
More AmeriKKKan death to come.
Excellent.
Vendicar Decarian
"Telamon" <telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote
Absolutely nothing.
Vendicar Decarian
Cato
wrote:
> "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
> > In my book,
>
> You have no book, you are an illiterate, scum sucking, moron.
>
> As are all Libertarians by the way.
>
>
> > anybody that lowers themselves to the level of sewer scum
> > by using filthy dusgusting language
>
> Cato doesn't mind his fellow Libertairians promoting child molestation as
> long as they don't discribe the cock sucking and buggery.
>
>
> > Decarian obviously has a very limited and disgusting vocabulary.
>
> Cato would rather complain than think about the issues raised about his
> immorality, corruption and ignorance.
>
> How typically Libertarian of him.
>
>
> > I can just picture Vendicar Decarian with his
> > mouth hanging open and stinky watery diarrhea with little chunky bits
> > spewing out of his mouth.
>
> No doubt the scatalogical images you have just fabricated for yourslef
> turn you on.
>
> Libertarian Pedophiles are common enough, your Scatalogical preferences
> are hardly surprising.
>
>
> > Cato responds: I am not sure how you missed all the talk
> > about the Global Cooling back then. Ya, it was in all the major
> > magazines and newspapers.
>
> I remember Libertarian fools like Lowell Ponte trying to sell the story
>
> But you know Libertarians... Completely and perpetually incompetent,
> ignorant and corrupt to the core.
>
>
> > Discussions on radio talk shows etc.
>
> Wow, there is scientific evidence for you.
>
>
> > But then... I have notice how some people's memories seem
> > to be very selective when their memories don't agree with their
> > present beliefs or political goals.
>
> Ya we notice that about you denialists all the time. Now can you find us
> three references to peer reviewed journal articles from the period that
> warned of an imminent onset of an ice age?
>
> We have been asking you Lying FuckTards to provide just three references
> for the last 15 years, and so far you haven't been able to provide one.
>
> That makes you a liar, a fool, or both, in my books.
Well, thankyou Decarian for calling me Libertarian. Because, yes,
that's just what I am. I believe in individual freedom, personal
responsibility, small government.
You, obviously believe in the opposite.
People are to serve the government.
Government calls all the shots. Do what you are told. Keep your
mouth shut. Don't criticise the Great Leader. Fail in this, and you
will go to a re-education camp, or an extermination camp.
Big powerful government is the solution to all problems.
Only the socialists/communists have the correct information and
answers.
Guess what Decarian. I actually have lots of books. Drives
my wife up the wall. Primarily history, but also politics, geography,
astronomy. economics. I even have a few good books by Ludwig Von
Mises. Like his book "Socialism" for example. You should try to find
it and read it. You might also want to make an attempt to read
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago". But I seriously doubt
that you have what it takes to get through a great work like either of
those two books.
So how about trying a smaller, simpler but still a good book, "The
Law" written by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850). You can actually find
this one free to read online at... http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
Cato
Vendicar Decarian
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Well, thankyou Decarian for calling me Libertarian. Because, yes,
> that's just what I am.
Ya, I can smell your filthy stench from 4,000 miles away.
So tell us Cato, do you still believe that molesting children is your
birthrite?
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> I believe in individual freedom, personal responsibility, small
> government.
You also believe that rights are absolute and can neither be granted or
denied by the state. Unless of course the state decides to murder you.
Isn't that true ShitLicker.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> You, obviously believe in the opposite.
No. Your limited intellect simply isn't capable of comprehending
non-absolutes.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> People are to serve the government.
In a democratic system, government <IS> the people. And you are right, the
people exist to serve themselves and each other.
That is what society is all about. Dung Heap.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Government calls all the shots.
Whereas in LiberTopia, Fascist corporations call the shots.
I prefer the people calling the shots. Oh ya, you call that Da
Gubberment.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Do what you are told.
Obey the law.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Keep your mouth shut.
How odd it is that in the last message you went to great lengths to
complain about my foul language. You stupid, hypocritical, Libertarian
CockSucker.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Don't criticise the Great Leader.
You mean Bushie? The one Libertairans helped elect and the ones who
promoted his disasterous foreign policy and disasterous economic policy?
Ahahahahahah... You cocksuckers can't take responsibility for any of your
failures now can you?
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Only the socialists/communists have the correct information and
> answers.
So you say...
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Guess what Decarian. I actually have lots of books.
Ya, you are like a drunk sleeping in a library.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> I even have a few good books by Ludwig Von Mises.
And probably a few by Erich Von. Daniken and Emanuel Velikovsky who are
equally credible.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Like his book "Socialism" for example. You should try to find
> it and read it.
Sorry, I don't read books written by crackpots.
"Cato" <cato...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> You might also want to make an attempt to read Alexandr Solzhenitsyn's
> "Gulag
> Archipelago".
Who hated your kind of immoral filth.
In the West - "Such a tilt of freedom in the direction of evil has come
about gradually but it was evidently born primarily out of a humanistic
and benevolent concept according to which there is no evil inherent to
human nature; the world belongs to mankind and all the defects of life
are caused by wrong social systems which must be corrected. Strangely
enough, though the best social conditions have been achieved in the
West, there still is criminality and there even is considerably more of
it than in the pauper and lawless Soviet society." - Alexander
Solzhenitsyn
In the West - "Destructive and irresponsible freedom has been granted
boundless space. Society appears to have little defense against the
abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for
moral violence against young people, motion pictures full of
pornography, crime and horror." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Vendicar Decarian
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
>> There was never any issue warning of imminent, dangerous global cooling
>> issued by the scientific community.
"D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> In 1972 it made the NBC, ABC and CBS evening news.
Ahahahaha.. Look at the Fucking Retard trying to imply that the U.S. media
outlets are the Scientific Community.
Show us Maus, three references to peer reviewed scientific journals of the
era that warned of an imminent onset of an ice age.
So far you Fucking Losers have had 15 years to find the requested
references, and you haven't yet found one.
What's keeping you? You Fucking Ignorant Loser.
"D Peter Maus" <DPete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> This was quite a big story. And yes, it came from the scientific
> community.
Prove it. You lying Cocksucker.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
No one has to prove anything to a dumbass Canuck.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> No one has to prove anything to a dumbass Canuck.
Meanwhile the U.S. dollar has lost another 5% of it's purchasing power
over the last 4 months, and over 40% since the Bush Traitor wormed his way
into office.
Killing RepubliKKKans will soon be a national sport.
D Peter Maus
Your eloquence speaks to your character.
Your sophistry speaks to your intelligence.
Your anger speaks to the weakness of your position.
Your belligerence speaks to the fact that you know it.
Have a good day.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Damn! I think we got ourselves another mentally ill Canuck here!
Meanwhile AmeriKKKa's RepubliKKKan created debt has risen to 8.08 trillion
and rising at a rate of 1.29 billion per day.
Ahahahahahahahaah.....
Soon Killing RepubliKKKans will be a national sport.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> > No one has to prove anything to a dumbass Canuck.
>
> Meanwhile the U.S. dollar has lost another 5% of it's purchasing power
> over the last 4 months, and over 40% since the Bush Traitor wormed his way
> into office.
I've made thousands in the last 4 months, and much more than that in the past 6
years. Learn to invest!
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Whacking dumbasses is going to be even more fun!
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> I've made thousands in the last 4 months, and much more than that in the
> past 6
> years. Learn to invest!
Since the year 2000, inflation has reduced the value of the U.S. dollar to
82.6% of it's current internal value. The current 13000 figure is
equivalent to
10739 in constant 2000 dollars.
On Jan 14,2000 the DOW closed at 11722.98.
So with this tremendous record high, (ahahahahahahah) the DOW has only lost
8.4 percent of it's value during the Bush Administration's last 7 years.
In addition the U.S. dollar has fallen about 40% in value over that period.
thereby reducing the value of the DOW by about 45% over the last 7 years.
Quite an accomplishment if you ask me.
Ahahahahahahahahahaahha
hanson
"Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsA...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f5s4i.2560$kB....@read2.cgocable.net...which is constantly posted by VD-Sott Nudds:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/918834b01a4d154d
ahahaha... ahahahaha
hanson
Vendicar Decarian
> Your sophistry speaks to your intelligence.
> Your anger speaks to the weakness of your position.
> Your belligerence speaks to the fact that you know it.
Ahahahaha.. Look at the Fucking Retard trying to hide his scientific
Illiteracy.
Vendicar Decarian
If I wanted to smell your breath I'd sniff some fresh dog shit.
But I don't. So why not close your mouth? Or reapply those lips of yours
to Dog's ass.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
I've much more than I had 7 years ago! And can buy much more as well!
Go stuff a Loonie up your ass!
Vendicar Decarian
> Vendicar Decarian wrote:
>> Killing RepubliKKKans will soon be a national sport.
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Whacking dumbasses is going to be even more fun!
Same thing Dumb Ass.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> I've made thousands in the last 4 months
Being a RepubliKKKan male prostitute pays well ay?
You working out of the White House like all of the others whores?
Vendicar Decarian
Vendicar Decarian
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Looking forward to seeing you on the field of battle, if you don't go crying to
mama first!
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> > I've made thousands in the last 4 months
>
> Being a RepubliKKKan male prostitute pays well ay?
I'm guessing it must pay more than being a dumbass.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> I've much more than I had 7 years ago! And can buy much more as well!
Yup, all the Chinese goods you can import.
Because as we all know, the only thing AmeriKKKa manufactures these days is
Ignorance, Stupidity and Death.
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Go stuff a Loonie up your ass!
The Canadians are laughing their asses off at U.S. reports that a Canadian
quarter - inlaid with a picture of a red poppy, were claimed to be secret
spy coins, used to trace the owners by satellite using ultra sophisticated
nano-technology.
Ahahahahahaha....The entire world is laughing at the Incompetent,
bumbling, Loser state of AmeriKKKa.
It is now time for all good people to Exterminate what is left of they
Failed AmeriKKKan state.
swl-2010
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1179793274.8...@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 21, 4:48 pm, "Vendicar Decarian" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> >
> > > Scientific consensus??
> >
> > Yup...
> >
> > "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> >
> > > Scientific Consensus is NOT a synonym of "Certain Truth".
> >
> > No, it's synonymous of virtually certain truth.
> >
> > Scientific revolution is exceptionally rare
> >
> > "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> >
> > > But when the scientific expertise to judge a scientific position is
> > > lacking,
> > > they're going to rely on the Consensus.
> >
> > Wrong again. ShitLicker.
> >
> > Scientific Consensus applies all the way down to the most base facts
such
> > as 1+1=2.
> >
> > The consensus view that 1+1=2 is still not proven in any absolute
sense.
> >
> > "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> >
> > > Consensus is a collective opinion.
> >
> > Correct. And collective opinions hold far, far more weight than the
vapid
> > assertions of Carbon Industry Shills, paid warming denialists, and
> > uneducated fools.
> >
> > "Cato" <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> >
> > > "Scientific consensus" can be wrong. It is NOT scientific evidence.
> >
> > No, but the consensus view is based on scientific evidence. And yes
it
> > can be wrong, but very rarely so.
> >
> > Now which to believe? The collective wisdom, and best opinion by the
vast
> > majority of the worlds scientists? Or the constantly shifting, grasp at
any
> > straw, pronouncements of a small band of industry shills?
> >
> > Hmmmm Gee... I wonder.... Science or snake oil.
> >
> > Who knows. Maybe the snake oil really is a cure all.
> >
> > Right?
>
> (OT) : Yes You Too Can Be The First In Your Neighborhood
> To Have An Al Gore Carbon Credit's Card !
> - - - Financed by US Tax Dollars -and-
> at the Expense of the US Tax Payers
>
> VD - So are you the un-official apologist for Al Gore ?
> Or actually a Paid Agent of the Democrat Party of the USA ?
>
> If you are so keen on Carbon Credits... Then Hold-your-Breath
> until Al Gore is re-elected to something important.
>
> -if- i sound rich and phony - it's cause . . .
> i am trying to sound just like al gore ~ RHF
> .
> .
> . .
...and if you sound stupid and goofy, you're just being yourself.
You got a lock on that one, you have no competetion.
It's nice to see you join in destroying what could be a good group.
What an asshole.
Vendicar Decarian
>> Being a RepubliKKKan male prostitute pays well ay?
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> I'm guessing it must pay more than being a dumbass.
You would know in either case.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Well, send all two of your good people down here and let them have at it.
After they're done we'll bomb the shit out of the rest of you whiney fucking
bastards!
dxAce
swl-2010 wrote:
It'll improve after we get rid of the dumbass Canucks!
Vendicar Decarian
>> "dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
>> > Whacking dumbasses is going to be even more fun!
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
>> Same thing Dumb Ass.
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Looking forward to seeing you on the field of battle, if you don't go
> crying to
> mama first!
You won't see me. Maybe the tree from which you RepubliKKKan Traitors are
hung.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Nah, I only said I was guessing, dumbass.
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> It'll improve after we get rid of the dumbass Canucks!
You will die as you live, - in self imposed ignorance.
dxAce
Vendicar Decarian wrote:
Ignorance? Sorry, I'm not a dumbass Canuck!
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Well, send all two of your good people down here and let them have at it.
Yawn. You still think you are on a school playground don't you? Fool.
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> After they're done we'll bomb the shit out of the rest of you whiney
> fucking
> bastards!
Now that would be a provocation that would spurr me into action.
Canadians burned Washington to the ground once. Do you really need them to
teach you another lesson?
Vendicar Decarian
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Nah, I only said I was guessing, dumbass.
Well, that is all fools can do... Guess.
Vendicar Decarian
>> You will die as you live, - in self imposed ignorance.
"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote
> Ignorance? Sorry, I'm not a dumbass Canuck!
No, you are a dumbass AmeriKKKan who will die as he lives, - in self
imposed ignorance.
RHF
wrote:
> "dxAce" <d...@milestones.com> wrote
>
> > May must be the time for the hatching of the 'tards up in CanaDuh.
> > I'm LMFAO here!
>
- 15 more Dead AmeriKKKans this weekend in Iraq
- several years after the AmeriKKKan VP lied to the
- AmeriKKKan publiKKK and claimed that the
- resistance was in it's death throws.
-
- I'm laughing my ass off here.
-
- More AmeriKKKan death to come.
-
- Excellent.
VD - So you are another Liberal Democrat {or may be
a Can-A-Duh-Ian} : Who Rejoices in the Deaths of Our
American Troops Serving in Iraq [.] ~ RHF
.
.
. .
SiCKO is SOCKO Says Time Magazine
Why ain't you there? Did your daddy get you a cushy post in Texas
instead?