Consumers, Wall Street Not Buying HD!
IBOCcrock
Admit it. You've secretly wondered why the radio industry has invested
so much in HD radio. You've secretly wondered what the big payoff is.
Here's some advice if you still have a job in radio: keep it secret
and don't wonder out loud. In fact, you probably want to be seen
gulping as much HD Kool-Aid as you possibly can, lest your name appear
on one of those increasingly numerous slips that are coloring the
halls of radio stations in Pepto-Bismol pink.Here's how it looks to
me: (1) The public has shown little interest in HD Radio. HD Radio was
the biggest radio advertiser in 2007 and roughly 350,000 units were
sold. By comparison, Sirius added over 900,000 in Q4 of 2006 alone,
with a far less advertising support. At the rate HD Radio was adopted
in 2007, it would take over 15 years to equal the current critical
mass of Satellite radio. (2) There is no apparent revenue model for HD
Radio. How many HD radios would have been sold if the channels
included advertising? Well, certainly not more. (3) The Radio
industry is embarrassing itself with its public support for HD Radio.
Whether perceived as backing a loser or profoundly ineffective as an
advertising vehicle, Radio isnâEURO(tm)t representing itself well as a
marketing vehicle or partner with its public support for this failing
product. So why is radio hitching its wagon to the HD radio star?
Could even "success" be successful?
Suppose that through some unexplainable act of God, they actually sold
15 million HD radios. (Don't get me wrong, with less than 3% of that
number in use despite the year's biggest advertising blitz in radio in
2007, there is no real hope that anything like that will happen in the
foreseeable future.)
Then presume that the delivery for HD radio was roughly equal to what
now goes to satellite, roughly 6% of all radio listening. (Here again,
not likely to happen -- more money/effort is going into XM/Sirius,
reception is better, plus they have big name talent). But there is no
guarantee that the 6% would be incremental listening. Some of it would
probably be INSTEAD of terrestrial radio, not in addition to it. So
maybe you end up with 3% more real delivery than they had before.
That puts all radio (terrestrial and HD combined) delivery back to
where it was sometime in 2006, under a scenario that's so optimistic
it has virtually no chance of happening.
"Consumers, Wall Street Not Buying HD!"
So what's the play here?
There doesn't seem to be one. The Radio industry is correct to
conclude that they need to make some changes to start growing again,
but they seem to have made a bad bet with HD, and there doesn't seem
to be much percentage in staying the course.
Larry Rosin suggested that streaming highly-rated terrestrial streams
would be more appealing than what is currently available on most HD
channels, and he's right, but the impact wouldn't be enough to offer a
real fix.
The radio industry has publicly touted a string of "doomed to fail"
strategies to Wall Street since the great consolidation panic of 1996
(Ad buyers buying the whole country with 2 calls, "Less Is More," the
idea of radio-equipped cell phones adding $3 billion in revenue,
etc.). Wall Street's not buying in anymore. The radio industry's
aggregate stock price has fallen by roughly half in the last year.
That's double the loss of the most hard-hit markets in the housing
sector. Wall Street (based on market capitalization numbers) has
actually valued some decent sized radio groups at less than the value
of some private houses in the Hamptons and many large banks have
dropped analysis of the sector entirely.
One group head said recently that radio's problem is perception. But,
and this is a big "but," perception of the radio industry will not
improve while its head honchos publicly chase rainbows like HD Radio.
It's time radio faced the music on HD and let it fade to inaudibility,
where it already is anyway for all but 400,000 people.
"HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year: Pulling a fast one"
"According to a press release from the Alliance 330,000 HD receivers
were sold last year. This is a 725 per cent increase from the 40,000
sets purchased a year earlier and therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough
year' for the technology. In 2008 they will sell a million of the
things."
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/08/hd-radio-spinners-attempt-fast
SUCKA!
RHF
- "HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year:
- Pulling a fast one"
- "According to a press release from the Alliance
- 330,000 HD receivers were sold last year.
- This is a 725 per cent increase from the
- 40,000 sets purchased a year earlier and
- therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough year' for the technology.
- In 2008 they will sell a million of the things."
- http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/08/hd-radio-spinn...
-
I BOC'Deed and Half-Crocked,
OK lets see if I can get the Numbers correct :
In 2006 there were 40,000 "HD" Radios Sold
In 2007 there were 330,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 725% Increase
For 2008 there will be 1,000,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 203% Increase
Question - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
So in reality . . .
Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/c5ceff9dc86b1b77
Using 2008 as a Baseline and an 'Average'
of a 200% Increase for Seven (7) Years :
2008 = 1 Million HD Radios Sold with 1 Million in use.
2009 = 3 Million HD Radios Sold with 4 Million in use.
2010 = 9 Million HD Radios Sold with 13 Million in use.
2011 = 27 Million HD Radios Sold with 40 Million in use.
2012 = 81 Million HD Radios Sold with 121 Million in use.
2013 = 243 Million HD Radios Sold with 364 Million in use.
2014 = 729 Million HD Radios Sold with 1+ Billion in use.
Every Household and Car/Truck along with Every Work
Place in the USA will have One or more "HD" Radios.
So 'potentially' within Seven (7) Years "HD" Radio will be
the most common type of "Free" Over-the-Air Radio that
is used and Listened-To by just about every American.
Again - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
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hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF
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HD RADIO => http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
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dave
> "Consumers, Wall Street Not Buying HD!"
>
> Admit it. You've secretly wondered why the radio industry has invested
> so much in HD radio. You've secretly wondered what the big payoff is.
> Here's some advice if you still have a job in radio: keep it secret
> and don't wonder out loud. In fact, you probably want to be seen
> gulping as much HD Kool-Aid as you possibly can, lest your name appear
> on one of those increasingly numerous slips that are coloring the
> halls of radio stations in Pepto-Bismol pink.Here's how it looks to
> me: (1) The public has shown little interest in HD Radio. HD Radio was
> the biggest radio advertiser in 2007 and roughly 350,000 units were
> sold. By comparison, Sirius added over 900,000 in Q4 of 2006 alone,
> with a far less advertising support. At the rate HD Radio was adopted
> in 2007, it would take over 15 years to equal the current critical
> mass of Satellite radio. (2) There is no apparent revenue model for HD
> Radio. How many HD radios would have been sold if the channels
> included advertising? Well, certainly not more. (3) The Radio
> industry is embarrassing itself with its public support for HD Radio.
> Whether perceived as backing a loser or profoundly ineffective as an
The stations could rent out their secondary channels to foreign language
broadcasters. It works way better than SCA.
IBOCcrock
> On Feb 16, 7:57 am, IBOCcrock <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> - "HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year:
> - Pulling a fast one"
> - "According to a press release from the Alliance
> - 330,000 HD receivers were sold last year.
> - This is a 725 per cent increase from the
> - 40,000 sets purchased a year earlier and
> - therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough year' for the technology.
> - In 2008 they will sell a million of the things."
> -
>
> I BOC'Deed and Half-Crocked,
>
> OK lets see if I can get the Numbers correct :
> In 2006 there were 40,000 "HD" Radios Sold
> In 2007 there were 330,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 725% Increase
> For 2008 there will be 1,000,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 203% Increase
>
> Question - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
>
> So in reality . . .
>
> Using 2008 as a Baseline and an 'Average'
> of a 200% Increase for Seven (7) Years :
> 2008 = 1 Million HD Radios Sold with 1 Million in use.
> 2009 = 3 Million HD Radios Sold with 4 Million in use.
> 2010 = 9 Million HD Radios Sold with 13 Million in use.
> 2011 = 27 Million HD Radios Sold with 40 Million in use.
> 2012 = 81 Million HD Radios Sold with 121 Million in use.
> 2013 = 243 Million HD Radios Sold with 364 Million in use.
> 2014 = 729 Million HD Radios Sold with 1+ Billion in use.
> Every Household and Car/Truck along with Every Work
> Place in the USA will have One or more "HD" Radios.
>
> So 'potentially' within Seven (7) Years "HD" Radio will be
> the most common type of "Free" Over-the-Air Radio that
> is used and Listened-To by just about every American.
>
> Again - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
> .
> CAUTION : This Post Has Not Been "Approved"
>
> - Show quoted text -
"DEAD AIR: Radio's great leap forward stalling in the Valley"
"Retailers say no one is buying HD radios in South Texas despite
scattered attempts by broadcasters to promote the digital signal
technology..."
http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio_7098___article.html/digital_new.html
"HD Radio Has Yet To Take Off"
"But the technology hasn't taken off as expected. NBC 5 could not find
one person who owns a hi-def radio and neither could KISS FM's program
director. I don't know anybody that has one yet, Davis said."
http://www.nbc5i.com/technology/14878368/detail.html
"High-def radio is here, but is anyone listening?"
"But 19 Utah stations are broadcasting 31 high-definition radio
channels with six more coming soon... It seems the stations are
investing in technology the public isn't quite ready to embrace....
Some have heard it referred to but never had cause to get one. Unless
you are a gadget person, few of these radios have sold."
http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_7852904
"HD's here. Who's listening?"
"But consumers haven't exactly been stampeding to electronics stores
for the new HD Radio sets that are required to tune in the digital
signals."
http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_7991990?nclick_check=1#recent_comm
"Don't touch that dial: Digital radio lags behind"
"Digital radio -- now synonymous with the HD Radio brand name --
apparently has yet to catch on with listeners in this area..."
RHF
- s n i p -
1 - The stations could rent out their secondary channels
to foreign language broadcasters.
2 - It works way better than SCA.
Dave - Now there is a practical HD-2 Idea
that makes Cent$ for FM "HD" Radio. ~ RHF
Plus other than a new standard "HD" Radio :
No other specialized "SCA" type Radio is Required.
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Steve
> - "HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year:
> - Pulling a fast one"
> - "According to a press release from the Alliance
> - 330,000 HD receivers were sold last year.
> - This is a 725 per cent increase from the
> - 40,000 sets purchased a year earlier and
> - therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough year' for the technology.
> - In 2008 they will sell a million of the things."
> -
>
> I BOC'Deed and Half-Crocked,
>
> OK lets see if I can get the Numbers correct :
> In 2006 there were 40,000 "HD" Radios Sold
> In 2007 there were 330,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 725% Increase
> For 2008 there will be 1,000,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 203% Increase
>
> Question - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
>
> So in reality . . .
>
> Using 2008 as a Baseline and an 'Average'
> of a 200% Increase for Seven (7) Years :
> 2008 = 1 Million HD Radios Sold with 1 Million in use.
> 2009 = 3 Million HD Radios Sold with 4 Million in use.
> 2010 = 9 Million HD Radios Sold with 13 Million in use.
> 2011 = 27 Million HD Radios Sold with 40 Million in use.
> 2012 = 81 Million HD Radios Sold with 121 Million in use.
> 2013 = 243 Million HD Radios Sold with 364 Million in use.
> 2014 = 729 Million HD Radios Sold with 1+ Billion in use.
> Every Household and Car/Truck along with Every Work
> Place in the USA will have One or more "HD" Radios.
>
> So 'potentially' within Seven (7) Years "HD" Radio will be
> the most common type of "Free" Over-the-Air Radio that
> is used and Listened-To by just about every American.
>
> Again - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
> .
> CAUTION : This Post Has Not Been "Approved"
RHF, you are rooting for HD? I almost can't believe my eyes. It's like
hearing Greenpeace root for increased use of fossil fuels.
Steve
> - "HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year:
> - Pulling a fast one"
> - "According to a press release from the Alliance
> - 330,000 HD receivers were sold last year.
> - This is a 725 per cent increase from the
> - 40,000 sets purchased a year earlier and
> - therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough year' for the technology.
> - In 2008 they will sell a million of the things."
> -
>
> I BOC'Deed and Half-Crocked,
>
> OK lets see if I can get the Numbers correct :
> In 2006 there were 40,000 "HD" Radios Sold
> In 2007 there were 330,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 725% Increase
> For 2008 there will be 1,000,000 "HD" Radios Sold = 203% Increase
>
> Question - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
>
> So in reality . . .
>
> Using 2008 as a Baseline and an 'Average'
> of a 200% Increase for Seven (7) Years :
> 2008 = 1 Million HD Radios Sold with 1 Million in use.
> 2009 = 3 Million HD Radios Sold with 4 Million in use.
> 2010 = 9 Million HD Radios Sold with 13 Million in use.
> 2011 = 27 Million HD Radios Sold with 40 Million in use.
> 2012 = 81 Million HD Radios Sold with 121 Million in use.
> 2013 = 243 Million HD Radios Sold with 364 Million in use.
> 2014 = 729 Million HD Radios Sold with 1+ Billion in use.
> Every Household and Car/Truck along with Every Work
> Place in the USA will have One or more "HD" Radios.
>
> So 'potentially' within Seven (7) Years "HD" Radio will be
> the most common type of "Free" Over-the-Air Radio that
> is used and Listened-To by just about every American.
>
> Again - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
> .
> CAUTION : This Post Has Not Been "Approved"
http://digital-am-fm.com/2008/02/hd_radio_sales_restated.html
Telamon
<1d85e100-60ca-4dc3...@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Steve <sdan...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
You expect something less from a news group Troll? Believe it.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
RHF
- S N I P -
- http://digital-am-fm.com/2008/02/hd_radio_sales_restated.html
Steve your Link was "HD Radio Sales Restated"
http://digital-am-fm.com/2008/02/hd_radio_sales_restated.html
Industry Analyst says HD Radio Sales were far Lower
than previously Stated and Projected
Steve - So the revised Numbers using your Link are :
2006 ~ 40 K Units Sold
[2006 being the Baseline Year]
2007 ~ 330 K Units Sold {Mostly in Cars Year # 1}
[ 725% Increase over the Baseline Year ]
2008 ~ 500 K Units 'Estimated' Sales {Mostly in Cars Year # 2}
{ 52% Increase over the Prior Year }
[ 1150% Increase over the Baseline Year ]
Note - That is still less-than a Million Total Units Sold.
BAD NEWS - "HD" Radios in Automobiles : Which was
one of the main Backdoors for the Introduction and the
beginning of the Public Acceptance of FM Radio in the
1950s, 1960s and 1970s. {Spread Over Three Decades}
Remember that One (1) Rental Car Puts "HD" Radio
into the Ears of at least 50 Radio Listeners each Year.
Now Looking Forward to the Year 2020 {~15 Years}
2009 ~ 750 K Units 'Estimated' Sales {Mostly in Cars Year # 3}
{ Assuming the same 50% Increase over the Prior Year }
That is about 1.6 Million Total Units Sold.
2010 ~ 1,125 K Units 'Estimated' Sales {Mostly in Cars Year # 4}
{ Assuming the same 50% Increase over the Prior Year }
That is about 2.7 Million Total Units Sold.
2011 ~ 1,688 K Units 'Estimated' Sales {Mostly in Cars Year # 5}
{ Assuming the same 50% Increase over the Prior Year }
That is about 4.4 Million Total Units Sold.
2012 ~ 3.4 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{After 5 Years of mostly Selling "HD" Radios in Cars
the Number of "HD" Radios being sold for In-Home and
Office Use Equals or Exceeds the Number being Sold
in Cars}
{ Assumption Changes - Now assuming a 100% Increase
over the Prior Year due to expanded in Non-Auto Sales. }
That is about 7.8 Million Total Units Sold.
-ps- This is "HD" Radio's Tipping-Point toward Acceptance.
2012 ~ 3.4 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 7.8 Million Total Units Sold.
2013 ~ 6.8 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 14.6 Million Total Units Sold.
2014 ~ 13.5 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 28.0 Million Total Units Sold.
2015 ~ 27.0 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 55.1 Million Total Units Sold.
2016 ~ 54 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 109 Million Total Units Sold.
2017 ~ 108 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 217 Million Total Units Sold.
2018 ~ 216 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 433 Million Total Units Sold.
2019 ~ 432 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 865 Million Total Units Sold.
2020 ~ 864 M Units 'Estimated' Sales
{ Now assuming a 100% Increase over the Prior Year}
That is about 1,729 Million Total Units Sold.
By the Year 2020 "HD" Radio Use reaches Saturation
with roughly an "HD" in every Home and in every Car.
Steve - I don't have to be For -or- Against Something
to Honestly Evaluate It. Wishing that IBOC and "HD"
Radio will Fail : Ain't Gona Make It Fail.
IBOCcrock presented some 'numbers' and claimed
that those 'numbers' met that IBOC "HD" Radio is
Doomed to Failure : Those same Numbers can Mean
a Slow and Steady Growth for IBOC "HD" Radio for a
Decade of more. -ps- You don't have to like the Numbers
to give them an Honest Look.
As I have said before IBOC "HD" Radio will Succeed
or Fail with it's Public Acceptance of FM "HD" Radio
and AM/MW "HD" Radio will simply be dragged along
with FM "HD" Radio.
FM "HD" Radio is not about better Audio Sound :
Is is about a Second 'Sellable" Audio Stream [HD-2]
for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
Sell to Advertisers.
What FM "HD" Radio needs is a Killer Application to
make the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something"
that Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} both
WANT and NEED !
Presently there is Only One Audio Product that
America's Listening Consumers Want-and-Need
more than Radio :
It Ain't Talk Radio.
It Ain't Music Radio.
It's More Common Then Both -and- American's
Listening Consumers Listen to "IT" more than
all types and kinds of Radio combined.
It Is ________________________________ [.]
it's a 'vision' thing and these forward looking statements
are based on sheer conjecture on my part ~ RHF
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RHF
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <1d85e100-60ca-4dc3-9e04-0fca9b721...@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > RHF, you are rooting for HD? I almost can't believe my eyes. It's like
> > hearing Greenpeace root for increased use of fossil fuels.
- You expect something less from a news group Troll? Believe it.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
-
Honestly Telamon,
If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".
ah the 'trill' of it all :o) ~ RHF
[ Are You Enjoying The Game ? ]
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RHF
- S N I P -
- RHF, you are rooting for HD?
-r- NO [.]
- I almost can't believe my eyes.
-r- Open Your Eyes to the Reality that "HD" Radio Ain't
Going Away Soon -and- Very Well May Be Here Forever.
- It's like hearing Greenpeace root for increased use of fossil
fuels.
GreenPeace might Work Harder to Save a Living Fossil :
Then to Protect a Dead One. {In Life There Are Choices.}
Steve - Understand that the Radio Industry is "COMMITTED"
Big Time to the IBOC Scheme by iBiquity that is commonly
called "HD" Radio; and has put it's Money and Resources
behind it with a Transition Plan that goes on for Years.
1 - When FM Radio came about the AM/MW Radio Stations
Opposed It : Not So with "HD" Radio - Corporate AM/MW
Radio is On-Board the "HD" Radio Band-Wagon.
2 - When FM-Stereo Radio came along AM/MW Radio
Stations tried a few different AM-Stereo 'schemes' but
with NO Industry Standard AM-Stereo Failed due to
FCC and Industry Mismanagement : Not So with "HD"
Radio, both the AM/MW Industry and the FCC are
behind IBOC as a Standard for both AM/MW and FM
"HD" Radio Broadcasting. {They Both Learned from the
AM-Stereo Fiasco.}
3 - They is Solid Radio Broadcast Corporate 'Commitment'
to the IBOC Scheme for both AM/MW and FM "HD" Radio.
Perhaps 100 Times the Amount 'committed' to early FM
Radio Broadcasting. Perhaps 10 Times the Amount that
was 'committed' to early FM-Stereo and AM-Stereo Radio
Broadcasting. {Inflation Adjusted Dollars} IBOC "HD"
Radio has the Financial Backing to be Successful and
the Long Term Commitment to simply let it succeed
over many years.
4 - As I have said before IBOC "HD" Radio will Succeed
or Fail with it's Public Acceptance of FM "HD" Radio
and AM/MW "HD" Radio will simply be dragged along
with FM "HD" Radio.
5 - FM "HD" Radio is not about better Audio Sound :
Is is about a Second 'Sellable" Audio Stream [HD-2]
for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
Sell to Advertisers. {Radio It's About Business.}
6 - What FM "HD" Radio needs is a Killer Application to
make the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something"
that Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} both WANT
and NEED !
reality may indeed 'suck' {reality sucks}
-but- just because something 'sucks'
don't mean that it will fail ~ RHF
EXAMPLE : MicroSoft Sucks. -v- Apple is Super.
But MicroSoft is # 1 in a Two Horse Race where
Apple is a Distant # 3 in Market Share and Sales
Volume.
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Kenneth Isham
Unless the radio stations can improve content and sound quality. More
and more people will switch to Sirius or XM or just use the CD or I
POD/MP3 connections included with most new car sound systems.
I am going to be one of them.
I wasted over $175 on the Sangean receiver to discover not only the
sound causes me to shut it off after a half hour, but the secondary
content is throw away on most of the stations except public radio
offerings.
I have several co-workers who have and love their sat. receivers and
the sound is much improved over so called HD-sound. I can enjoy
listening to Sirius's offerings.
I used to listen to a AM-stereo station that to my ears almost matched
the fidelity of the FM stations. Now that it switched to the HD
broadcast it sounds like listening to the MUSZAC offerings while being
put on hold on the telephone on my analog receiver. The Sangean cannot
decode the HD content at all and the analog portion is also much like my
previous description of auto receiver.
There is nothing currently on local radio especially HD to me spring for
a new HD receiver.
Ken I.
dave
weird. Since I have no clean FM at the house and lots of really good FM
radios I have obtained a low Wattage PC for streaming web radio, which I
then transmit using the Whole House FM Gold stereo transmitter. I use a
Behringer COM800 audio processor to make it sound just like real radio
(which it is).
A big public company's only interest in owning a radio station will be
either to push shitty music or to push shitty ideas. They have squoze
the life out of the medium and they will move on. They chased
moderately affluent people with brains away a long time ago with their
moronically tight playlists and music sets that have absolutely no
coherence. The MP-3 player put the nail in.
(I still listen to Sirius in the car).
Steve
> On Feb 17, 8:10 pm, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> - S N I P -
>
No, but I get the sense that you are wanting to promote HD radio
simply because you're posting about it here, on a shortwave group.
That's your prerogative, but I personally don't get it.
>
> IBOCcrock presented some 'numbers' and claimed
> that those 'numbers' met that IBOC "HD" Radio is
> Doomed to Failure : Those same Numbers can Mean
> a Slow and Steady Growth for IBOC "HD" Radio for a
> Decade of more. -ps- You don't have to like the Numbers
> to give them an Honest Look.
Giving the numbers an honest look means looking at more than the
numbers themselves. It means looking at the development of Wimax and
the fate (good or bad) of satellite radio. It means looking at the
fact that HD doesn't address any of the real (i.e., programming)
problems that explain the current sad state of much commercial
broadcast radio.
>
> As I have said before IBOC "HD" Radio will Succeed
> or Fail with it's Public Acceptance of FM "HD" Radio
> and AM/MW "HD" Radio will simply be dragged along
> with FM "HD" Radio.
>
> FM "HD" Radio is not about better Audio Sound :
> Is is about a Second 'Sellable" Audio Stream [HD-2]
> for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
> Sell to Advertisers.
>
> What FM "HD" Radio needs is a Killer Application to
> make the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something"
> that Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} both
> WANT and NEED !
>
> Presently there is Only One Audio Product that
> America's Listening Consumers Want-and-Need
> more than Radio :
> It Ain't Talk Radio.
> It Ain't Music Radio.
> It's More Common Then Both -and- American's
> Listening Consumers Listen to "IT" more than
> all types and kinds of Radio combined.
>
> It Is ________________________________ [.]
>
> it's a 'vision' thing and these forward looking statements
> are based on sheer conjecture on my part ~ RHF
If broadcasters had vision, we wouldn't even need to be talking about
HD.
Steve
> On Feb 17, 8:09 pm, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> - S N I P -
>
> - RHF, you are rooting for HD?
>
> -r- NO [.]
>
> - I almost can't believe my eyes.
>
> -r- Open Your Eyes to the Reality that "HD" Radio Ain't
> Going Away Soon -and- Very Well May Be Here Forever.
>
> - It's like hearing Greenpeace root for increased use of fossil
> fuels.
>
> GreenPeace might Work Harder to Save a Living Fossil :
> Then to Protect a Dead One. {In Life There Are Choices.}
>
> Steve - Understand that the Radio Industry is "COMMITTED"
> Big Time to the IBOC Scheme by iBiquity that is commonly
> called "HD" Radio; and has put it's Money and Resources
> behind it with a Transition Plan that goes on for Years.
I understand this, but you must understand that the current problems
facing broadcasters, which are in no way addressed by HD radio, are
also deeply entrenched. An HD bandaid isn't going to solve the
industry's problems.
>
> 1 - When FM Radio came about the AM/MW Radio Stations
> Opposed It : Not So with "HD" Radio - Corporate AM/MW
> Radio is On-Board the "HD" Radio Band-Wagon.
>
> 2 - When FM-Stereo Radio came along AM/MW Radio
> Stations tried a few different AM-Stereo 'schemes' but
> with NO Industry Standard AM-Stereo Failed due to
> FCC and Industry Mismanagement : Not So with "HD"
> Radio, both the AM/MW Industry and the FCC are
> behind IBOC as a Standard for both AM/MW and FM
> "HD" Radio Broadcasting. {They Both Learned from the
> AM-Stereo Fiasco.}
>
> 3 - They is Solid Radio Broadcast Corporate 'Commitment'
> to the IBOC Scheme for both AM/MW and FM "HD" Radio.
> Perhaps 100 Times the Amount 'committed' to early FM
> Radio Broadcasting. Perhaps 10 Times the Amount that
> was 'committed' to early FM-Stereo and AM-Stereo Radio
> Broadcasting. {Inflation Adjusted Dollars} IBOC "HD"
> Radio has the Financial Backing to be Successful and
> the Long Term Commitment to simply let it succeed
> over many years.
>
> 4 - As I have said before IBOC "HD" Radio will Succeed
> or Fail with it's Public Acceptance of FM "HD" Radio
> and AM/MW "HD" Radio will simply be dragged along
> with FM "HD" Radio.
And the public's acceptance of HD radio will be a function of its
acceptance of other forms of radio, which have sound business models
and superior programming.
>
> 5 - FM "HD" Radio is not about better Audio Sound :
> Is is about a Second 'Sellable" Audio Stream [HD-2]
> for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
> Sell to Advertisers. {Radio It's About Business.}
The idea of a "second audio stream" is absolutely quaint at this
stage. Surely no one is resting their hopes on this.
>
> 6 - What FM "HD" Radio needs is a Killer Application to
> make the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something"
> that Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} both WANT
> and NEED !
>
> reality may indeed 'suck' {reality sucks}
> -but- just because something 'sucks'
> don't mean that it will fail ~ RHF
No, but the fact that it doesn't address problems that are genuinely
pressing for the industry suggests that it will either fail or few
people will notice one way or the other.
David
were on line. By that measure HD is a total flop. Sirius still sells
more radios in 3 months than HD has since its inception.
IBOCcrock
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's Glenn's fucking HD Radio shill site - I've had a few run-ins
with that Mother Fucker! He even emailed me to fuck-offf, and he
writes articles for NYT and Seattle Times papers. He has to be one of
the biggest pieces-of-shit, outside of Eduardo.
IBOCcrock
> -ps- So Read It Only -If- You Are "Clueless".
> -back-at-cha- Teli-Baby that is # 237 for the Month.
> .
Hey fuckhead, what does this look like to you:
"HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year: Pulling a fast one"
"According to a press release from the Alliance 330,000 HD receivers
were sold last year. This is a 725 per cent increase from the 40,000
sets purchased a year earlier and therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough
year' for the technology. In 2008 they will sell a million of the
things."
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/08/hd-radio-spinners-attempt-fast
"RAIN: Consumers, Wall Street Not Buying HD"
"So what's the play here? There doesn't seem to be one. The Radio
industry is correct to conclude that they need to make some changes to
start growing again, but they seem to have made a bad bet with HD, and
there doesn't seem to be much percentage in staying the course."
RHF
Simple Consumer of 'Free' Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/04065b770e048027
On Feb 18, 3:50 am, Kenneth Isham <kis...@attglobal.net> wrote:
Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
- How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5b6895e5674967b4
= = = S N I P = = =
- Unless the radio stations can improve content and sound quality.
Radio Sound - See # 5
5 - FM "HD" Radio is not about better Audio Sound :
It is about a Second 'Sellable" Audio Stream [HD-2]
for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
Sell to Advertisers. {Radio It's About Business.}
IMHO - "HD" Radios sound quality is 'good enough' for
the vast majority of Radio Listeners. How much better
can a Radio sound in most moving Cars and Truck;
and in the average Room in a Home.
Reality Sucks - Radio Listeners are Lazy Audio Content
Consumers. It can't get much eaiser than Radio. Buy
a Radio and plug it in. Turn-It-On and Tune-it-In and
Just Listen. Now Extra Costs and Not Extra Work.
Radio Content - See # 6
6 - What FM "HD" Radio needs is a Killer Application to make
the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something" that Radio
Listeners {Audio Consumers} both WANT and NEED !
IMHO - "HD" Radio {Digital FM Radio} needs new HD-2
Audio Content that is marketable to Radio Listeners and
Sellable to to Advertisers. To first Maintain and then to
Grow their Market Share in the Age of New Media.
- More and more people will switch to Sirius or XM or just
- use the CD or I POD/MP3 connections included with
- most new car sound systems.
Sirius and XM Satellite Radio require Extra Cost and some
Specialized Equipment.
BONUS - Your Homes [Hidden] Source of Digital Audio :
Most American Consumers already have a Second Audio
Source within their Homes that is Commercial Free Audio
and it comes to them in the form of Cable TV or Satellite
TV "Digital" {Can We All Say "HD"} Sound. Usually 40 or
More Digital {TV} Audio Channels to 'choose' from; which
is on the Average more than most Metro Area Radio 'choice'
options available to Free Over-the-Air Radio Listeners.
Presently these Digital {TV} Audio Channels are limited to
Music; but if they Added the Big-5 Talk Radio Networks to
their Line-Up It could attract many more Radio Listeners to
the Digital {TV} Audio Channels. Note - The Big-5 Talk Radio
Network Audio Streams would NOT be Commerical Free.
- I am going to be one of them.
Good - That is Your 'Choice' that you have to make for yourself.
- I wasted over $175 on the Sangean receiver to discover not
- only the sound causes me to shut it off after a half hour,
- but the secondary content is throw away on most of the
- stations except public radio offerings.
Tell Me About It - I Live Beyond the AM/MW "HD" Radio
10 mv/m Contour and FM "HD" Radio 64 dbu Contour.
How Do You Spell "HD" Radio Out Here : NO SIGNAL !
and DROP-OUTS ! - {The Blinking Blue Light}
YES - Presently FM "HD" Radio has not 'found' a KILLER APP
for their HD-2 Digital Audio Streams.
- I have several co-workers who have and love their sat.
- receivers and the sound is much improved over so called
- HD-sound. I can enjoy listening to Sirius's offerings.
-IF- XM and SIRIUS Satellite Radio is Your Thing - Enjoy It !
- I used to listen to a AM-stereo station that to my ears
- almost matched the fidelity of the FM stations. Now that
- it switched to the HD broadcast it sounds like listening to
- the MUSZAC offerings while being put on hold on the
- telephone on my analog receiver.
Yes - AM "HD" Radio presently has both Audio Processing
{Sound Quality just Does Not Sound Right} Problems which
can be Fixed and Co-Channel Interference Problems which
Only will be Fixed {Masked} by Consumers Using new "HD"
Radios versus older Analog Radios; at least in Metro Areas
where the "HD" Radio Signals are Strong and the vast majority
of Radio Listeners are listening to 'Local' Radio Stations.
Once Again Reality Sucks : The Technical Solution to the
Interference heard by most AM/MW Analog Radio Listeners
is a 'New' "HD" {IBOC" Radio. It's Digital Technology functions
in a manner that allows for a 'cleaner' Digital Signal to be
Heard then the 'dirty' Analog Signal that IBOC Creates.
OOPS ! - Another one of "HD" Radios 'dirty' Little Secrets :
As more AM/MW & FM Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers}
start to experience IBOC Interference on their old Analog
AM/FM Radios : They will be told to Up-Grade to newer
"HD" Radios and that will solve their Problems : And It Will
-if- They Live in Metro Areas with Good Local Reception
-and- They Only Listening to 'Local' Radio Stations in their
Area.
These Local Area AM/FM Radio Listeners : Who Do In-Fact
Simply Listen To Local AM/FM Radio are the Vast Majority
of Radio's Audio Consumers and most likely add-up-to 95.5%
of all Radio Listeners Nation-Wide in the USA. Even -if-
the number was 68.3% that would mean that 2-out-of-3 of
American Radio's Audio Consumers would be better served
by "HD" Radio. {At Least on Paper} This is what the Radio
Broadcast Industry {Corporate Media} is Selling and the FCC
is Buying into with iBiquity IBOC Scheme.
- The Sangean cannot decode the HD content at all and the
- analog portion is also much like my previous description
- of auto receiver.
I don't have an Answer for either.
- There is nothing currently on local radio especially HD
- to me spring for a new HD receiver.
IMHO - That would be a Good Short Term (1~3 Year) Decision;
and during that time frame XM or SIRIUS Satellite Radio may
be your easier Audio Consumer 'Choice'.
Ken I.
(OT) : "HD" Radios ! - The Un-Qualified Comments by a
Simple Consumer of 'Free' Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/04065b770e048027
.
.
hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF
Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup*
* http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
HD RADIO GROUP => http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
.
TAG = 27KWYT
.
RHF
on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the Making
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/c5e1cab41d458e2e
NOTE TO ALL - From Now On When I Post or Reply to a Post
concerning the IBOC Radio Broadcast {Scheme} developed by
the iBiquity Digital Corporation and what is called "HD" Radio :
I will endeavor to place : "IBOC" at the Start of the Subject Line.
=So If= You do not want to Read Posts and Replies about IBOC
"HD" Radio by Me you can easily Filter then out, or simply use
common sense and Ignore them.
FWIW - Moist of the Longer Posts and Replies can
be found at the "HD Radio" Newsgroup* on Google.
* http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
HD RADIO GROUP => http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
On Feb 18, 6:27 am, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
- How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/39dabdf90232868d
- S N I P -
- I understand this, but you must understand that the current
- problems facing broadcasters, which are in no way addressed
- by HD radio, are also deeply entrenched.
Steve - That is True.
- An HD bandaid isn't going to solve the industry's problems.
Steve - That is Equally True.
- And the public's acceptance of HD radio will be a function
- of its acceptance of other forms of radio, which have sound
- business models and superior programming.
I do not know of any New Media Business Models that
actually produce the Income Streams that present day
AM & FM Radio do - Enlighten Me Please !
- The idea of a "second audio stream" is absolutely quaint
- at this stage. Surely no one is resting their hopes on this.
Takes and Existing Franchise (Radio Station) and creates
a new Income Stream with greatly reduced Capital Cost :
Potentially Expands the Income and Inceases Profits.
- No, but the fact that it doesn't address problems that
- are genuinely pressing for the industry suggests that
- it will either fail or few people will notice one way or the
- other.
Actually -imho- It is hard for IBOC "HD" Radio not to succeed
as part of the declining Media which is AM & FM Radio.
"HD" Radio may simply keep the Patient Alive Longer
-and- At-the-Same-Time allow the present AM & FM Radio
Broadcasts {Media Corporations} to Expand into 'New'
Media themselves.
The present day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the making.
* They now have to begin [ASAP] to View Themselves
as Pan-Media {All Forms of Media} Corporations; and not
simply as Radio Broadcasters {Radio Station Owners}.
* They have the Financial Where-with-All and Expertise
to Transistion and Transformer themselves into what they
need to be : To Be in Business for the next 50~75 Years.
Examples of Dinosaur Business Thinking :
* Railroads did not think of themselves as a Transportation
Business and naturally expand into the Airline Industry.
* Kodak though of itself as a Photo Company and naturally
not expand into the Imaging {Zerox} Industry.
* Silicon Valley was born because AT&T and IBM thought
that their business was their business and they both lost
business and market share as a result of that thinking.
.
.
hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF
RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/bad06d283fd82571
On Feb 18, 6:18 am, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
- How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/74f1ead84fa7501e
- - On Feb 18, 2:08 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
- S N I P -
- - Steve - I don't have to be For -or- Against Something
- - to Honestly Evaluate It. Wishing that IBOC and "HD"
- - Radio will Fail : Ain't Gona Make It Fail.
- No, but I get the sense that you are wanting to promote
- HD radio simply because you're posting about it here,
- on a shortwave group.
Actually from a Google perspective this Message Thread
begain with the Post by IBOCcrock :
"Consumers, Wall Street Not Buying HD!"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/245cef54a0f5da19
IBOCcrock has Posted around 750+ Messages related
to IBOC, and may be about 250 of those Messages that
He has Originated were about IBOC with an Anti-IBOC
Theme / Slant.
BUT ONE DARES TO CRITICIZE HIM FOR DOING SO
-because- Even though IBOC Ain't Shortwave Radio almost
Everyone here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave Newsgroup just
Loves-to-Hate IBOC "HD" Radio -because- It Does Destroy
Much of What is Left of AM/MW Radio DXing.
=But= Wishing that IBOC will Fail* : Ain't Going to Make
IBOC Fail +plus+ As others here have stated the is
Significant Radio Broadcaster $upport at the Corporate
Media Level for IBOC and the FCC $upports IBOC too.
* Hard to Fail when both Corporate Dollar$ and the US
Government Dollar$ are behind IBOC "HD" Radio.
- That's your prerogative, but I personally don't get it.
I Don't Have To Like It {Yes IMHO IBOC $ucks} :
To-Get-It ! {IBOC Most Likely Is Here To $tay}
- - IBOCcrock presented some 'numbers' and claimed
- - that those 'numbers' met that IBOC "HD" Radio is
- - Doomed to Failure : Those same Numbers can Mean
- - a Slow and Steady Growth for IBOC "HD" Radio for a
- - Decade of more. -ps- You don't have to like the Numbers
- - to give them an Honest Look.
- Giving the numbers an honest look means looking at more
- than the numbers themselves. It means looking at the
- development of Wimax and the fate (good or bad) of satellite
- radio. It means looking at the fact that HD doesn't address
- any of the real (i.e., programming) problems that explain the
- current sad state of much commercial broadcast radio.
I simply presented a Set-of-Numbers {a possibility} that
-if- they occured could show a slow progressive time-line
to the Public Acceptance of IBOC "HD" Radio as a
Transitional Evolution from Analog Broadcastion to Digital
Broadcasting in the same sort of disorderly process that
marked the change of from AM {Only} Radios to AM/FM
Radios and the follow-on change from AM/FM Radios to
AM/FM-Stereo Radios and the Oops of AM-Stereo Radio.
[ Things Happen -and- Not Necessarily for Good Reasons. ]
-ps- History Often Repeats Itself and this Time Radio
Broadcasters at the Corporate Media Level and the FCC
at the Federal Government Level are Helping IBOC "HD"
Radio along like they never did for : FM Radio; FM-Stereo
Radio; and they seem to have learned the Lesson of the
Failed AM-Stereo Radio.
- If broadcasters had vision, we wouldn't even need to be
- talking about HD.
What they may lack in "The Vision Thing" (1) they make up for in
the Economic Interest (2) and Public Image Making Thing (3)
along with Capital Resources (4) and their Political Muscle (5).
[ Four-out-of-Five Ain't Bad = $U¢¢E$$]
.
.
hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF
RHF
The New-Generation of Audio Consumers versus Older Radio Listeners
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/13bd6b2f279ee44c
.
yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup*
* http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
HD RADIO GROUP => http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
.
.
BE ADVISED - Starting Next Monday, 25 Feruary 2008
The Complete Text All of My Replies to these IBOC
"HD" Radio Posts will be done on the "HD Radio"
Newsgroup on Google. The only thing that you will see
here is the Subject Line Title and a Link to the Posted
Message : Which is what you see above the Line :
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
PLUS - There will be an "IBOC" at the Start of My IBOC Posts
and Replies here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e99697a5ccf91902
On Feb 18, 6:33 am, David <noth...@nowhere.org> wrote:
Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
- How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/747fe103c031959d
- Satellite Radio did 5 million units the first year
- that both companies were on line.
David,
Direct Satellite Radio Broadcasting is New and Exciting and
had no established User Base of One Billion AM/FM Radios.
Reality Sucks - AM/FM Radio is Boring and something that
Audio Consumers consider as being just there for free.
- By that measure HD is a total flop.
David - That would be True and may be True
-but- Wishing It True -doesn't- Make It True :
Within another 3~5 Years everyone should know with
some degree of certainty whether IBOC "HD" Radio
will gradually be accepted as the 'standard' AM/FM
Radio -or- We will Know that "HD" Radio spells F-L-O-P !
- Sirius still sells more radios in 3 months
- than HD has since its inception.
IBOC -aka- "HD" Radio could take a few Pages from
both XM and SIRIUS Satellite Radio's Play Books.
{Marketing Plans for a New Generation of Audio
Consumers.}
As a Matter of Fact : IBOC -aka- "HD" Radio should be
looking at all New Media to see what Lessions there are
To-Be-Learned in the 21st Century to Market IBOC "HD"
Radio to the Next Generation of Audio Consumers.
This is a Dynamic Change {Paradigm Shift} in the
American Listening Audience : For Years with Radio
as our Primary {Only} Audio Enterainment Option :
We could be rightfully called "Radio Listeners" :
Today with Many Diverse Audio Enterainment Options :
We should be rightfully called "Audio Consumers".
IBOC "HD" Radio must compete for the Ears of
America's Audio Consumers and this is especially
true of these younger {newer} Audio Consumers
who did not grow-up with Radio as their Primary
{Only} Audio Enterainment Option; as many of
"US" old-time Radio Listeners did; back in the day.
.
.
yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
Telamon
<608ef5fd-03d0-4737...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
< Snip >
> Honestly Telamon,
>
> If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
> your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".
< Snip >
You certainly are the most destructive Troll the news group has seen to
date.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
m II
Oh..the Humanity!
In reality, RHF merely wants to be helpful. It's the fact that he has
too much time on his hands is what makes it somewhat irritating.
Now, having said that, he's quite pleasant in comparison to a few others
in these here parts.
A slight irritation is nothing compared to massive abuse.
mike
Telamon
I think you possess a high enough level of intelligence to understand
the situation if you try hard enough. It is not what you described above.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
green...@kato.net
>Telamon wrote:
>> In article
>> <608ef5fd-03d0-4737...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> < Snip >
>>
>>> Honestly Telamon,
>>>
>>> If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
>>> your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".
>>
>> < Snip >
>>
>> You certainly are the most destructive Troll the news group has seen to
>> date.
>>
>
>
>Oh..the Humanity!
>
>In reality, RHF merely wants to be helpful. It's the fact that he has
>too much time on his hands is what makes it somewhat irritating.
Okay, I'll give you the first point but disagree on the second one.
To me, his writing style is too darned hard to sift through and he
overly pads his links sections with links to his Yahoo group - which
has been dismal in terms of info everytime I've visited it. My new
offering to those who are new is one link:
http://users.tellurian.com/slapshot/speedx.html
This site has a wealth of info, via links that are listed according to
topic.
>Now, having said that, he's quite pleasant in comparison to a few others
>in these here parts.
Being pleasant and being helpful are two different things.
>A slight irritation is nothing compared to massive abuse.
What's worse, one quick slice of the knife or a thousand small gashes?
Still working on the answer to that one myself, though I think the
analogy has relevence.
Question for you: With DXAce gone and Tracy whose last name I forget
not regulars here anymore with whom shall you cross swords?
Steve
> IBOC : The Present Day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
>
> NOTE TO ALL - From Now On When I Post or Reply to a Post
> concerning the IBOC Radio Broadcast {Scheme} developed by
> the iBiquity Digital Corporation and what is called "HD" Radio :
> I will endeavor to place : "IBOC" at the Start of the Subject Line.
> =So If= You do not want to Read Posts and Replies about IBOC
> "HD" Radio by Me you can easily Filter then out, or simply use
> common sense and Ignore them.
>
> FWIW - Moist of the Longer Posts and Replies can
> be found at the "HD Radio" Newsgroup* on Google.
> HD RADIO GROUP =>http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
>
> On Feb 18, 6:27 am, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
>
> - S N I P -
>
> - I understand this, but you must understand that the current
> - problems facing broadcasters, which are in no way addressed
> - by HD radio, are also deeply entrenched.
>
> Steve - That is True.
>
> - An HD bandaid isn't going to solve the industry's problems.
>
> Steve - That is Equally True.
>
> - And the public's acceptance of HD radio will be a function
> - of its acceptance of other forms of radio, which have sound
> - business models and superior programming.
>
> I do not know of any New Media Business Models that
> actually produce the Income Streams that present day
> AM & FM Radio do - Enlighten Me Please !
I didn't think we were talking about today. I thought we were talking
about the future, when HD radio will be pitted against alternatives
that are actually desired by the listening public.
>
> - The idea of a "second audio stream" is absolutely quaint
> - at this stage. Surely no one is resting their hopes on this.
>
> Takes and Existing Franchise (Radio Station) and creates
> a new Income Stream with greatly reduced Capital Cost :
> Potentially Expands the Income and Inceases Profits.
Other media offer thousands of audio streams.
>
> - No, but the fact that it doesn't address problems that
> - are genuinely pressing for the industry suggests that
> - it will either fail or few people will notice one way or the
> - other.
>
> Actually -imho- It is hard for IBOC "HD" Radio not to succeed
> as part of the declining Media which is AM & FM Radio.
If "succeed" simply means destroying analog AM and despoiling a big
chunk of spectrum, sure. However, if it means surviving and
flourishing as a business, it has no chance and does not even appear
to have been intended for success.
>
> "HD" Radio may simply keep the Patient Alive Longer
> -and- At-the-Same-Time allow the present AM & FM Radio
> Broadcasts {Media Corporations} to Expand into 'New'
> Media themselves.
My guess is that HD radio will be a form of euthanasia. It will
quicken the overall decline.
>
> The present day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
> on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the making.
> * They now have to begin [ASAP] to View Themselves
> as Pan-Media {All Forms of Media} Corporations; and not
> simply as Radio Broadcasters {Radio Station Owners}.
> * They have the Financial Where-with-All and Expertise
> to Transistion and Transformer themselves into what they
> need to be : To Be in Business for the next 50~75 Years.
>
> Examples of Dinosaur Business Thinking :
> * Railroads did not think of themselves as a Transportation
> Business and naturally expand into the Airline Industry.
> * Kodak though of itself as a Photo Company and naturally
> not expand into the Imaging {Zerox} Industry.
> * Silicon Valley was born because AT&T and IBM thought
> that their business was their business and they both lost
> business and market share as a result of that thinking.
> .
> .
I would add HD radio to the list.
Steve
>
> - Giving the numbers an honest look means looking at more
> - than the numbers themselves. It means looking at the
> - development of Wimax and the fate (good or bad) of satellite
> - radio. It means looking at the fact that HD doesn't address
> - any of the real (i.e., programming) problems that explain the
> - current sad state of much commercial broadcast radio.
>
> I simply presented a Set-of-Numbers {a possibility} that
> -if- they occured could show a slow progressive time-line
> to the Public Acceptance of IBOC "HD" Radio as a
> Transitional Evolution from Analog Broadcastion to Digital
> Broadcasting in the same sort of disorderly process that
> marked the change of from AM {Only} Radios to AM/FM
> Radios and the follow-on change from AM/FM Radios to
> AM/FM-Stereo Radios and the Oops of AM-Stereo Radio.
> [ Things Happen -and- Not Necessarily for Good Reasons. ]
>
Well, you can extend the series still further and eventually you'll
have more HD radios being sold each year than can fit within the
confines of the earth and its atmosphere; but I just don't think it's
gonna happen.
> -ps- History Often Repeats Itself and this Time Radio
> Broadcasters at the Corporate Media Level and the FCC
> at the Federal Government Level are Helping IBOC "HD"
> Radio along like they never did for : FM Radio; FM-Stereo
> Radio; and they seem to have learned the Lesson of the
> Failed AM-Stereo Radio.
>
> - If broadcasters had vision, we wouldn't even need to be
> - talking about HD.
>
> What they may lack in "The Vision Thing" (1) they make up for in
> the Economic Interest (2) and Public Image Making Thing (3)
> along with Capital Resources (4) and their Political Muscle (5).
> [ Four-out-of-Five Ain't Bad = $U¢¢E$$]
If success here means a quick, short term profit for the parties whose
necks are most on the line, then sure. If it means anything more than
that, no way. And I guess this is frequently what results when vision
is lacking.
What's going to be interesting is to see where the "vision" is with
other, alternative media. Long after people have ceased thinking about
or even remembering HD radio, what will pique their interest and
capture their imaginations? Darn, where did I put that crystal ball?
m II
> What's worse, one quick slice of the knife or a thousand small gashes?
> Still working on the answer to that one myself, though I think the
> analogy has relevence.
>
> Question for you: With DXAce gone and Tracy whose last name I forget
> not regulars here anymore with whom shall you cross swords?
Wherever there is injustice, abuse and hatred and wrongs that need
righting, I will be there....
...darn...I'm not going to carry on with that garbage. I'm already
feeling nauseous...
mike
RHF
that Focus Solely on Radio Broadcasting may be
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/06bf7078e60a9220
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On Feb 18, 9:16 pm, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1579166a5a8d4b03
- - IBOC : The Present Day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
- - on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the Making
- - http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/c5e1cab41d458e2e
>
> > NOTE TO ALL - From Now On When I Post or Reply to a Post
> > concerning the IBOC Radio Broadcast {Scheme} developed by
> > the iBiquity Digital Corporation and what is called "HD" Radio :
> > I will endeavor to place : "IBOC" at the Start of the Subject Line.
> > =So If= You do not want to Read Posts and Replies about IBOC
> > "HD" Radio by Me you can easily Filter then out, or simply use
> > common sense and Ignore them.
>
> > FWIW - Moist of the Longer Posts and Replies can
> > be found at the "HD Radio" Newsgroup* on Google.
> > *http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
> > HD RADIO GROUP =>http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
>
> > On Feb 18, 6:27 am, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
> > - How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/39dabdf90232868d
>
> > - S N I P -
>
> > - I understand this, but you must understand that the current
> > - problems facing broadcasters, which are in no way addressed
> > - by HD radio, are also deeply entrenched.
>
> > Steve - That is True.
>
> > - An HD bandaid isn't going to solve the industry's problems.
>
> > Steve - That is Equally True.
>
> > - And the public's acceptance of HD radio will be a function
> > - of its acceptance of other forms of radio, which have sound
> > - business models and superior programming.
>
- - I do not know of any New Media Business Models that
- - actually produce the Income Streams that present day
- - AM & FM Radio do - Enlighten Me Please !
- I didn't think we were talking about today. I thought we
- were talking about the future, when HD radio will be pitted
- against alternatives that are actually desired by the
- listening public.
Today is all I have - Who Truly Knows . . .
What The Future May Bring.
- Other media offer thousands of audio streams.
But 'Free' Over-the-Air AM/FM Radio is so easy to acces
and Listen to;and for me it is a technology that I 'feel'
comfortable with. Maybe a younger Consumer of Audio
will find and use all those thousand of Audio Streams
-but- Not 'i' in the Digital Here-and-Now.
- - Actually -imho- It is hard for IBOC "HD" Radio not to succeed
- - as part of the declining Media which is AM & FM Radio.
- If "succeed" simply means destroying analog AM and
- despoiling a big chunk of spectrum, sure.
For the Media Corporations who own "The Franchise"
{AM & FM {Radio Stations} and for the AM & FM Radio
Listening Public who simply Listen to their Local Radio
Broadcasting : Your Statement Has No Value.
* The "HD" Radio Stations will have a Sellable Product
that they believe is better than old Analog.
* The "HD" Radio Listeners will have an Audio Product
that they believe is better that the old Analog.
+ To Both Groups Destroying 'old' Analog AM Radio will
be a Good Thing "In The Name of Digital Progress"
- A Big Chuck of Spectrum is something that Your
Basic Radio Listener does not understand :
They Know the AM and FM Radio Bands and the
Value that they place on them is the : 2, 3, 4, 5 or
maybe 6 Local Radio Stations that : "They Call Their Own".
# Radio Listening : It's About 'Choice' : It's About "Me"
It's Can Be A Selfish Act -especially- When the Radio
Listener puts on a Pair of Headphones and Isolates
Themselves {IN} Their Own Little World {Audio Cocoon}.
- However, if it means surviving and flourishing as a
- business, it has no chance and does not even appear
- to have been intended for success.
That is clearly not My View of the Future of "Free"
Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio : I Believe [Have Faith]
that "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio will be around
for many more Years; and that a Significant Number
{Large Percentage} of Audio Consumers in the Future
will 'choose' "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio as
one of their major {if not their primary} sources of
Audio Entertainment.
- - "HD" Radio may simply keep the Patient Alive Longer
- - -and- At-the-Same-Time allow the present AM & FM
- - Radio Broadcasts {Media Corporations} to Expand
- - into 'New' Media themselves.
- My guess is that HD radio will be a form of euthanasia.
- It will quicken the overall decline.
That would not be "My Guess" -but- That is just a 'guess'
for I am only a Simple Consumer of "Free" Over-the-Air
AM & FM Radio.
- - Examples of Dinosaur Business Thinking :
- - * Railroads did not think of themselves as a Transportation
- - Business and naturally expand into the Airline Industry.
- - * Kodak though of itself as a Photo Company and naturally
- - not expand into the Imaging {Zerox} Industry.
- - * Silicon Valley was born because AT&T and IBM thought
- - that their business was their business and they both lost
- - business and market share as a result of that thinking.
- I would add HD radio to the list.
time will tell... Yes Only Time Will Tell ! ~ RHF
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yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
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RHF
Ain't Going to Make IBOC Fail
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BE ADVISED - Starting Next Monday, 25 Feruary 2008
The Complete Text All of My Replies to these IBOC
"HD" Radio Posts will be done on the "HD Radio"
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here is the Subject Line Title and a Link to the Posted
Message : Which is what you see above the Line :
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On Feb 18, 9:23 pm, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/70f4c8b81051ee67
- Well, you can extend the series still further and eventually
- you'll have more HD radios being sold each year than can
- fit within the confines of the earth and its atmosphere; but
- I just don't think it's gonna happen.
Dang you read my Play Book -and- As a Matter-of-Fact :
The Earth Itself will be make entirely of "HD" Radios.
- If success here means a quick, short term profit for the
- parties whose necks are most on the line, then sure.
Like Tomorrow - Future Profits are Promised To No One.
- If it means anything more than that, no way.
time will tell - Yes Only Time Will Tell !
- And I guess this is frequently what results
- when vision is lacking.
I Trust that the Radio People : Know the Radio Business.
Some Do It Well and naturally some do it poorly.
Their Challenge is to Leverage their current Media
Market Position and Capital Investment -into- a
Future diversified Pan-Media Market Position and
secure their Capital Investment across a broader
array of Media Ventures {Stay In Business}.
- What's going to be interesting is to see where the
- "vision" is with other, alternative media.
That is something that I do not focus on.
- Long after people have ceased thinking about or
- even remembering HD radio, what will pique their
- interest and capture their imaginations?
Ah - You have 'interests' beyond mine. - Alas I am
simply a Consumer of "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM
Radio and nothing more.
- Darn, where did I put that crystal ball?
IDK - Mine came to Me over the Years . . .
as I Lost My Hair \O/ ~ RHF
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yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
Steve
> IBOC : Part 2 - The Present Day Media Corporations
> that Focus Solely on Radio Broadcasting may be
> .
> yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
> Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup*
> - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
> .
> BE ADVISED - Starting Next Monday, 25 Feruary 2008
> The Complete Text All of My Replies to these IBOC
> "HD" Radio Posts will be done on the "HD Radio"
> Newsgroup on Google. The only thing that you will see
> here is the Subject Line Title and a Link to the Posted
> Message : Which is what you see above the Line :
> - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
>
> PLUS - There will be an "IBOC" at the Start of My IBOC Posts
>
> On Feb 18, 9:16 pm, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1579166a5a8d4b03
> - - IBOC : The Present Day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
> - - on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the Making
We're not talking about what the precise temperature will be in
Sacramento on Aug 3, 2056. It's more akin to whether the earth will
still be revolving around the sun in 2056, or whether helium atoms
will still contain the same number of protons.
> - Other media offer thousands of audio streams.
>
> But 'Free' Over-the-Air AM/FM Radio is so easy to acces
> and Listen to;and for me it is a technology that I 'feel'
> comfortable with. Maybe a younger Consumer of Audio
> will find and use all those thousand of Audio Streams
> -but- Not 'i' in the Digital Here-and-Now.
Again, this is true today but in the not-too-distant future the
landscape could look very different. And with HD your access might not
be as easy as you think unless you live a block away from the station.
>
> - - Actually -imho- It is hard for IBOC "HD" Radio not to succeed
> - - as part of the declining Media which is AM & FM Radio.
>
> - If "succeed" simply means destroying analog AM and
> - despoiling a big chunk of spectrum, sure.
>
> For the Media Corporations who own "The Franchise"
> {AM & FM {Radio Stations} and for the AM & FM Radio
> Listening Public who simply Listen to their Local Radio
> Broadcasting : Your Statement Has No Value.
As compared to what alternative statement?
> * The "HD" Radio Stations will have a Sellable Product
> that they believe is better than old Analog.
They don't believe that it is better than analog, unless "better" =
"more likely to make them lots of money in a hurry"
> * The "HD" Radio Listeners will have an Audio Product
> that they believe is better that the old Analog.
There may be a handful of people who believe this, but that's it.
> + To Both Groups Destroying 'old' Analog AM Radio will
> be a Good Thing "In The Name of Digital Progress"
> - A Big Chuck of Spectrum is something that Your
> Basic Radio Listener does not understand :
They'll come to understand it pretty quick when, all of a sudden,
there's nothing to listen to on the radio.
> They Know the AM and FM Radio Bands and the
> Value that they place on them is the : 2, 3, 4, 5 or
> maybe 6 Local Radio Stations that : "They Call Their Own".
> # Radio Listening : It's About 'Choice' : It's About "Me"
> It's Can Be A Selfish Act -especially- When the Radio
> Listener puts on a Pair of Headphones and Isolates
> Themselves {IN} Their Own Little World {Audio Cocoon}.
>
> - However, if it means surviving and flourishing as a
> - business, it has no chance and does not even appear
> - to have been intended for success.
>
> That is clearly not My View of the Future of "Free"
> Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio : I Believe [Have Faith]
> that "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio will be around
> for many more Years; and that a Significant Number
> {Large Percentage} of Audio Consumers in the Future
> will 'choose' "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio as
> one of their major {if not their primary} sources of
> Audio Entertainment.
>
I think that over the air radio might have a great future ahead of it,
especially if the threats posed by HD can be squashed.
> - - "HD" Radio may simply keep the Patient Alive Longer
> - - -and- At-the-Same-Time allow the present AM & FM
> - - Radio Broadcasts {Media Corporations} to Expand
> - - into 'New' Media themselves.
>
> - My guess is that HD radio will be a form of euthanasia.
> - It will quicken the overall decline.
>
> That would not be "My Guess" -but- That is just a 'guess'
> for I am only a Simple Consumer of "Free" Over-the-Air
> AM & FM Radio.
>
> - - Examples of Dinosaur Business Thinking :
> - - * Railroads did not think of themselves as a Transportation
> - - Business and naturally expand into the Airline Industry.
> - - * Kodak though of itself as a Photo Company and naturally
> - - not expand into the Imaging {Zerox} Industry.
> - - * Silicon Valley was born because AT&T and IBM thought
> - - that their business was their business and they both lost
> - - business and market share as a result of that thinking.
>
> - I would add HD radio to the list.
>
> time will tell... Yes Only Time Will Tell ! ~ RHF
> .
> .
> yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
> Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup*
> *http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
> HD RADIO GROUP =>http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
> .
> TAG = 27KWYT
> .- Hide quoted text -
Steve
> IBOC : Part 2 - Wishing That IBOC Will Fail :
> .
> yes - it's about iboc 'hd' radio ~ RHF
> Hello and Welcome to the "HD Radio" NewsGroup*
> HD RADIO GROUP =>http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt
> .
> - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
> .
> BE ADVISED - Starting Next Monday, 25 Feruary 2008
> The Complete Text All of My Replies to these IBOC
> "HD" Radio Posts will be done on the "HD Radio"
> Newsgroup on Google. The only thing that you will see
> here is the Subject Line Title and a Link to the Posted
> Message : Which is what you see above the Line :
> - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
>
> PLUS - There will be an "IBOC" at the Start of My IBOC Posts
>
> On Feb 18, 9:23 pm, Steve <sdanie...@speakeasy.net> wrote:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/70f4c8b81051ee67
>
> - Well, you can extend the series still further and eventually
> - you'll have more HD radios being sold each year than can
> - fit within the confines of the earth and its atmosphere; but
> - I just don't think it's gonna happen.
>
> Dang you read my Play Book -and- As a Matter-of-Fact :
> The Earth Itself will be make entirely of "HD" Radios.
>
> - If success here means a quick, short term profit for the
> - parties whose necks are most on the line, then sure.
>
> Like Tomorrow - Future Profits are Promised To No One.
Promised, no; but they'll certainly be collected by someone.
>
> - If it means anything more than that, no way.
>
> time will tell - Yes Only Time Will Tell !
>
> - And I guess this is frequently what results
> - when vision is lacking.
>
> I Trust that the Radio People : Know the Radio Business.
> Some Do It Well and naturally some do it poorly.
>
> Their Challenge is to Leverage their current Media
> Market Position and Capital Investment -into- a
> Future diversified Pan-Media Market Position and
> secure their Capital Investment across a broader
> array of Media Ventures {Stay In Business}.
>
> - What's going to be interesting is to see where the
> - "vision" is with other, alternative media.
>
> That is something that I do not focus on.
Understood, but I suspect we're in agreement that they'll have a
significant impact.
>
> - Long after people have ceased thinking about or
> - even remembering HD radio, what will pique their
> - interest and capture their imaginations?
>
> Ah - You have 'interests' beyond mine. - Alas I am
> simply a Consumer of "Free" Over-the-Air AM & FM
> Radio and nothing more.
You're not even *interested* in the things that will shape the future
of radio? This leaves me unsure what you are interested in....
IBOCcrock
>
>
> Doomed to Failure : Those same Numbers can Mean
>
> or Fail with it's Public Acceptance of FM "HD" Radio
> and AM/MW "HD" Radio will simply be dragged along
> with FM "HD" Radio.
>
> for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
> Sell to Advertisers.
>
> make the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something"
> that Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} both
> WANT and NEED !
>
> America's Listening Consumers Want-and-Need
> more than Radio :
> It Ain't Talk Radio.
> It Ain't Music Radio.
> It's More Common Then Both -and- American's
> Listening Consumers Listen to "IT" more than
> all types and kinds of Radio combined.
>
> It Is ________________________________ [.]
>
> it's a 'vision' thing and these forward looking statements
> are based on sheer conjecture on my part ~ RHF
> .
> CAUTION : This Post Has Not Been "Approved"
> -by- Telamon. -http://tinyurl.com/yshplv
> -ps- So Read It Only -If- You Are "Clueless".
> -back-at-cha- Teli-Baby that is # 237 for the Month.
> .
You are a fucking crazy lunatic without a life - get a life!
IBOCcrock
> > Radio will Fail : Ain't Gona Make It Fail.
>
> No, but I get the sense that you are wanting to promote HD radio
> simply because you're posting about it here, on a shortwave group.
> That's your prerogative, but I personally don't get it.
>
>
>
> > IBOCcrock presented some 'numbers' and claimed
> > Doomed to Failure : Those same Numbers can Mean
> > Decade of more. -ps- You don't have to like the Numbers
> > to give them an Honest Look.
>
> Giving the numbers an honest look means looking at more than the
> numbers themselves. It means looking at the development of Wimax and
> the fate (good or bad) of satellite radio. It means looking at the
> fact that HD doesn't address any of the real (i.e., programming)
> problems that explain the current sad state of much commercial
> broadcast radio.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > or Fail with it's Public Acceptance of FM "HD" Radio
> > and AM/MW "HD" Radio will simply be dragged along
> > with FM "HD" Radio.
>
> > FM "HD" Radio is not about better Audio Sound :
> > Is is about a Second 'Sellable" Audio Stream [HD-2]
> > for the Radio Station to Market to Consumers and
> > Sell to Advertisers.
>
> > What FM "HD" Radio needs is a Killer Application to
> > make the HD-2 Radio Audio Stream "That Something"
> > that Radio Listeners {Audio Consumers} both
> > WANT and NEED !
>
> > Presently there is Only One Audio Product that
> > America's Listening Consumers Want-and-Need
> > more than Radio :
> > It Ain't Talk Radio.
> > It Ain't Music Radio.
> > It's More Common Then Both -and- American's
> > Listening Consumers Listen to "IT" more than
> > all types and kinds of Radio combined.
>
> > It Is ________________________________ [.]
>
> > it's a 'vision' thing and these forward looking statements
> > are based on sheer conjecture on my part ~ RHF
>
> If broadcasters had vision, we wouldn't even need to be talking about
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Broadcasters want to do it on-the-cheap with HD Radio and not invest
anything worthwhile in the main and HD channels - radio is too busy
firing talent, in order to please stockholders. Boy, they must be
happy as pigs-in-shit, with stocks down 90%! How about you, Eduardo?
RHF
- You are a fucking crazy lunatic without a life - get a life!
-
I B OC'Deed and Half-Crocked,
U B Looken in a Mirror again -and- Talken At Your-Self !
now 'please' go enjoy your radios ~ RHF
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