Save Rocketry Now Prizes-Again
Bill Spadafora
Jerry Irvine to delivery on a prize that I won in the Save Rocketry
Now raffle. Here's the text of the last exchange by us on RMR:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:21:00 -0800, Jerry Irvine <01roc...@gte.net>
wrote:
>ONE of the Titan kits did not ship. Yours.
>Sorry. This month the paperwork in the Titam kit is being updated (as
>well as Micro-Sentra SRB), and the estimate of shipment by USR is about
>2-10-06.
>Sorry for the delay.
>You could contact USR and ask for an exchange to another kit as well.
>BTW only a small fraction of MA rocketeers are evil souls.
>Not including you.
>I will also take this opportunity to repeat that the 38mm pencil
>holders, er, reloadable motor caes, have not shipped either.
>Jerry
I don't have a problem with the 2/10/06 shipping date. My complaint
was that you never answered the 6 emails I sent asking if you had a
shipping date.
Bill Spadafora http://home.att.net/~billspad or
http://www.billsplumbing.com or
NARTS http://www.nar.org/NARTS/cat.html
bills...@comcast.net b...@billsplumbing.com
Guess what? I still haven't gotten the damn kit and he still doesn' t
answer my email. I honestly wish I hadn't won it and next time I'll
just send the money directly to the NAR instead of finding it
necessary to join the Jerry bashers on RMR. However, this doesn't mean
I plan to give up.
Bill Spadafora http://home.att.net/~billspad or http://www.billsplumbing.com or
NARTS http://www.nar.org/NARTS/cat.html
bill...@comcast.net bi...@billsplumbing.com
David
stoop to Jerry's level (ie, make a public posting to solve a private
matter).
-- David
"Bill Spadafora" <bill...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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David Erbas-White
about how dealing with Jerry is a crap shoot?
I didn't see him stooping to Jerry's level -- the worst I saw him post
using profanity was to say "damn kit". He didn't call Jerry any names.
He didn't promise anything he couldn't deliver. He didn't threaten
Jerry with a lawsuit.
I'm really trying to understand, what about this post was out of place???
David Erbas-White
Bill Spadafora
wrote:
>Maybe it makes you feel better (which is sad), but it is never NECESSARY to
>stoop to Jerry's level (ie, make a public posting to solve a private
>matter).
No, it doesn't make me feel better and no, it isn't a private matter.
On April 4, 2005 the raffle was announced publicly on this group and
Jerry publicly announced his support for it and talked about what he
was donating. When the kit shows up I will be more than happy to
publicly announce that.
Glen Overby
>Guess what? I still haven't gotten the damn kit and he still doesn' t
>answer my email. I honestly wish I hadn't won it and next time I'll
>just send the money directly to the NAR instead of finding it
>necessary to join the Jerry bashers on RMR. However, this doesn't mean
>I plan to give up.
What do the people who run the contest say? It seems to me that they should
have an obligation to see that the prizes they awarded are delivered, or an
alternative prize is offered.
There have been a lot of problems with prize delivery from the
"saverocketrynow" raffle. It seems to me that the next raffle should have the
prizes collected by those running the raffle, and shipped to the prize winner
by the raffle, not the vendor.
Glen Overby
Phil Stein
Considering that the people putting on the raffel get nothing
(monitatily) out of it, I wouldn't expect them to do any of the above.
When is the last time anyone has heard from Jerry? Maybe he's on a
rock pile working off that 40 grand he owes the man.
Anyway, You guys can bitch all you want. Bottom line is that Jerry
will give it to you if he can adn if he feels like it.
Bob Kaplow
> When is the last time anyone has heard from Jerry? Maybe he's on a
> rock pile working off that 40 grand he owes the man.
Ironically, his RMR posts stopped just before the judges announced their
ruling in the BATFE case. I'm still waiting for Jerry's "ITYS" response.
--
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
S&T is becoming this decades Steve Weaver!
Richard Burney
Check out this link of my experiences with Mr. Irvine in trying to get the
Titan kit I won as part of Save Rocketry Now:
Richard
Kevin Trojanowski
> What do the people who run the contest say? It seems to me that they should
> have an obligation to see that the prizes they awarded are delivered, or an
> alternative prize is offered.
That would be me, and the challenge is that another vendor would have to
step up and offer something else in its place. I took the donors at
their word that they'd make good on what they promised. Thus far, Mr
irvine seems to be the problem child, and unfortunately, he has a
history of doing so.
I'll be quite honest, my initial inclination was, based on knowledge of
past problems, to decline his donation. Knowing that he'd martyr
himself over that, as well as wanting to give him the benefit of the
doubt, I accepted it. My mistake.
> There have been a lot of problems with prize delivery from the
> "saverocketrynow" raffle. It seems to me that the next raffle should have the
> prizes collected by those running the raffle, and shipped to the prize winner
> by the raffle, not the vendor.
Hardly "a lot". Some folks have had a challenge getting in touch with a
vendor or two, but as far as I know, the only donor who has been a
continual problem has been Mr irvine.
Next raffle I'm involved in won't accept donations from irvine; I've had
enough.
In regards to collecting all the prizes, that was considered, but was
not done for a number of reasons. First and foremost, that means
someone has to collect and store all the prizes until it is time to
distribute them. That's a LOT of stuff and would take up a LOT of room;
very few could manage it all in space they have available.
Then, once distribution time comes around, it would require utilizing
monies collected via the raffle to not only acquire packing materials,
but also to ship the prizes out. Every dollar spent there is a dollar
less to the legal fund. Look at the list of prizes, and you'll realize
just how much that would come to.
Equally as important is the fact that some folks donated items that
require special shipping documents. I cannot (and will not) ship those,
as I don't have the requisite permits to do so, nor does anyone
available to me locally.
Also, what happens when something gets lost or damaged in transit? With
the donor knowing the condition in which it was shipped out, if they
ship directly to the recipient, they know all of what happened. If I
ship, now we have them (legitimately) wondering if it was possibly due
to someone else improperly packaging the item for transit.
Overall, it becomes a logistical nightmare. If the raffle was being
held at a launch, or similar event, it makes complete sense to collect
the prizes centrally in advance. When they're being mailed out, it just
isn't realistic, nor does it make sense financially.
All that said, as I've stated, there is one donor who has been a
problem. As far as I am aware, that is it. Nobody else has created
these kinds of issues.
-Kevin
N3
Irvines problems with customer support, I would like to offer a
possible alternative solution. Newton's 3rd Rocketry would be happy to
substitute a Little Johnny Rocket (Yep the ORIGINAL flying outhouse)
for the kit that was not forthcoming. If the person in question would
contact me I can make arraingements. Save Rocketry Now was just too
important a cause to let the shortcomings of a vendor detract from the
great work done by the people responsible for the effort.
Mike Roland
Newton's 3rd Rocketry
http://www.newtons3rdrocketry.com
Kevin Trojanowski
> Well after reading this thread and hearing the negative posts about Mr.
> Irvines problems with customer support, I would like to offer a
> possible alternative solution. Newton's 3rd Rocketry would be happy to
> substitute a Little Johnny Rocket (Yep the ORIGINAL flying outhouse)
> for the kit that was not forthcoming. If the person in question would
> contact me I can make arraingements. Save Rocketry Now was just too
> important a cause to let the shortcomings of a vendor detract from the
> great work done by the people responsible for the effort.
Very cool, and I thank you for the offer.
I'll email you Bill's contact info.
-Kevin
AZ Woody
Maybe for the next raffle, a "flying outhouse" kit that ejects a small
voodoo doll of JI at apogee could be developed? It would be a hit!
The Voodoo doll should be wearing a "RMR t-shirt"! (if you don't know about
the t-shirt debacle, you don't know JI!)
"N3" <mi...@blackbag.net> wrote in message
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David Erbas-White
> That would be me, and the challenge is that another vendor would have
> to step up and offer something else in its place. I took the donors
> at their word that they'd make good on what they promised. Thus far,
> Mr irvine seems to be the problem child, and unfortunately, he has a
> history of doing so.
>
>
And let me again thank you for the effort you put into all of this. You
may not have gotten too many attaboys, but please accept one from me!
David Erbas-White
Kevin Trojanowski
> And let me again thank you for the effort you put into all of this. You
> may not have gotten too many attaboys, but please accept one from me!
Thanks, David, it's appreciated.
-Kevin
Bill Spadafora
people. I understand and agree with the way you ran it. To tell you
the truth I didn't have any issues with Jerry Irvine until now. Over
the years I've heard enough stories from reputable sources that I
would never consider doing business with him.
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:47:02 -0600, Kevin Trojanowski
<tr...@excessbits.cox.net> wrote:
>Glen Overby wrote:
>
>> What do the people who run the contest say? It seems to me that they should
>> have an obligation to see that the prizes they awarded are delivered, or an
>> alternative prize is offered.
>
>That would be me, and the challenge is that another vendor would have to
>step up and offer something else in its place. I took the donors at
>their word that they'd make good on what they promised. Thus far, Mr
>irvine seems to be the problem child, and unfortunately, he has a
>history of doing so.
NaCl
"Kevin Trojanowski" <tr...@excessbits.cox.net> wrote in message
news:03LSf.33334$2c4.20349@dukeread11...
Although I certainly understand the frustration of having to deal with one
recalcitrant vendor, I think it bears repeating that the vast majority (as
far as I know all with the exception of Jerry) of vendors came through as
promised and in a timely manner. My own experience with Skyripper couldn't
have been better.
Bill Spadafora
appreciate his offer but my problems are not with Save Rocketry Now,
they're with Jerry Irvine and I want to see him honor the commitment
he made.
Bill Spadafora http://home.att.net/~billspad or http://www.billsplumbing.com or
Richard Burney
myself for what you did with Save Rocketry Now, but also for standing up for
us guys who have had to deal with Jerry.
Richard
Phil Stein
This is Kevin's fault? Thats ok Kevin - we like you anyway. 8-)
In almost all cases, everyone's efforts related to the raffel are
appreciated.
Phil
Phil Stein
That's very kind of you. Hopefully people will keep this in mind when
they are looking to buy stuff.
Bob Kaplow
> Maybe for the next raffle, a "flying outhouse" kit that ejects a small
> voodoo doll of JI at apogee could be developed? It would be a hit!
>
> The Voodoo doll should be wearing a "RMR t-shirt"! (if you don't know about
> the t-shirt debacle, you don't know JI!)
I bid 50 quatloos for the "Jerry Can" :-)
Greg Cisko
news:2K1fk0...@eisner.encompasserve.org...
> In article <NqKSf.56$_33....@news.uswest.net>, "AZ Woody"
> <Re...@here.not.email> writes:
>> Maybe for the next raffle, a "flying outhouse" kit that ejects a small
>> voodoo doll of JI at apogee could be developed? It would be a hit!
>>
>> The Voodoo doll should be wearing a "RMR t-shirt"! (if you don't know
>> about
>> the t-shirt debacle, you don't know JI!)
>
> I bid 50 quatloos for the "Jerry Can" :-)
Only 50? I have 75 quatloos and some 10 half naked alien
dancer babes :-)
--
Randy
"Greg Cisko" <gci...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have 75 quatloos and some 10 half naked alien
> dancer babes :-)
Angelique Pettijohn? ; )
Randy
www.vernarockets.com
Bob Kaplow
>
> "Greg Cisko" <gci...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1Z-dnU0PcZ1...@comcast.com...
>
>> I have 75 quatloos and some 10 half naked alien
>> dancer babes :-)
100 Quatloos!
> Angelique Pettijohn? ; )
Alas, by now, she's half decomposed.
I just found out that in addition to the role on Star Trek, she was one of
the perps with the strange names busted by Belker on Hill St Blues: Lotta
Gue.
Randy
"Bob Kaplow" <kapl...@encompasserve.org.mars> wrote in message
> Alas, by now, she's half decomposed.
Yeah, it's sad. Been a while now too.
> I just found out that in addition to the role on Star Trek, she was one of
> the perps with the strange names busted by Belker on Hill St Blues: Lotta
> Gue.
Actually she had quite a few roles not to mention Playboy.
Randy
www.vernarockets.com