US Rockets failure to deliver "Save Rocketry Now" prize
Richard Burney
up.
5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis
Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets.
http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp
Within a few weeks, Just Rockets came through with the prize that they had
donated and that I had won. I thank Just Rockets for coming through in
timely fashion.
Jerry Irvine (US Rockets) on the other hand has sent zilch. The last time I
heard from him was right before Thanksgiving on November 16th; he said that
they were missing the parts and he would get the kit sent out as soon as he
was "back from his business trip".
It is now February 1st and still no Titan kit. I tried emailing him again
last week, but as usual he didn't reply.
How many other people won a US Rockets item from Save Rocketry Now haven't
received their prize yet? I have to wonder why he offered all these
different prizes to this raffle and 5 months later, he has failed to come
through. Shouldn't Mr. Irvine only offer things that he has on hand and is
ready to ship? Better yet, shouldn't Mr. Irvine spend more time with his
business matters instead of wasting it on posting on newsgroups like RMR?;)
I would have kept this matter private, but Jerry's failure to deliver on
this prize that I legitimately won in this raffle has forced my hand. If
Jerry continues to fail to deliver and if there is another Save Rocketry Now
raffle or one like it, I will contact the coordinators not to accept
anything from US Rockets. I paid (donated) my money like everyone else to
this cause and I should surely hope to receive my prize like everyone else.
Richard Burney
W. E. Fred Wallace
Maybe if you ask for "model airplane parts" you will receive something..
(;-)
Seriously though and unfortunately, your not the first to experience
this repetitive historical anomaly from Jerry. Good luck..
Fred
Richard Burney
news:43E157DA...@boe.com...
> Maybe if you ask for "model airplane parts" you will receive something..
> (;-)
>
> Seriously though and unfortunately, your not the first to experience
> this repetitive historical anomaly from Jerry. Good luck..
>
> Fred
LOL! Who says I wasn't going to make a model airplane out of this kit?;)
Me
> Jerry Irvine (US Rockets) on the other hand has sent zilch. The last time I heard from him was right before Thanksgiving on
> November 16th; he said that they were missing the parts and he would get the kit sent out as soon as he was "back from his
> business trip".
I had an uncle who spent a lot of time away on "business trips".
Weird thing was, my aunt was always visiting him on weekends
and taking him cigarettes, magazines, etc. So if he was that close,
why didn't he just come home on weekends?
J.A. Michel
something to do with that. Or maybe he's not allowed to use a computer
while on work release? ;-) At any rate, you're not the first person to say
that you never got your SRN prize from Irwhine. I'd be surprised if you
ever see anything.
I'll tease the crap out of you if you have the guts to show up at a launch
with a USR rocket. ;-)
--
Joe Michel
NAR 82797 L2
http://geocities.com/jm44316
"Richard Burney" <rcbu...@nospamcox.net> wrote in message
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Jerry Irvine
"Richard Burney" <rcbu...@nospamcox.net> wrote:
> 5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis
> Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets.
>
> http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp
As has been posted to rmr, one can simply contact USR (by email) with a
request for a "similarly priced" kit and get that instead.
As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are
rude and offtopic.
Jerry
--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01ro...@gte.net>
Please bring GROWTH back to consumer rocketry.
Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com
kas...@comcast.net
was also a winner in the Save Rocketry raffle and contacted Jerry about
a week after the auction was over. He said that the motor casing I had
won was back ordered but we worked out an arrangement to exchange a
rocket kit of equal value for the casing. That kit plus the other kit
I won were delivered within days of talking to him. The kits were in
great shape and I donated them to a few children of the people I work
with to get them into the hobby.
I know there are some bad feelings toward Jerry here and I can't
comment on any past indiscretions. All I can say is he did what he
said he would and I wouldn't have a problem dealing with him again.
Keith
shreadvector
I've seen have a huge failure rate. Like 80%. I contacted them directly
and got no response. Funny, because when i contacted them months before
just to ask a question about their products I got a response.
My reaction to this was to place a $500 order for Aerotech motors.
;)
-Fred Shecter NAR 20117
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshreadvector
http://www.sirius.com
Dave Grayvis
> In article <4wcEf.29004$CV.15696@dukeread03>,
> "Richard Burney" <rcbu...@nospamcox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis
>>Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets.
>>
>>http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp
>
>
> As has been posted to rmr, one can simply contact USR (by email) with a
> request for a "similarly priced" kit and get that instead.
As has been posted to rmr, you, jerry irvine of us rockets, does not
respond to email queries regarding undelivered prizes.
>
> As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are
> rude and offtopic.
How is discussing us rockets failure to deliver "Save Rocketry Now"
prizes, in a thread titled: "US Rockets failure to deliver "Save
Rocketry Now" prize", considered "rude and offtopic" by you?
>
> Jerry
>
tdstr
Do you have any specifics on the mode of failure on the smaller Ellis SU
motors? I haven't actually seen any Ellis motors lit but I have heard
that the failure rate is rather high. Some of those Ellis SU motors
would be perfect for my smaller stuff, but I'd also would like to *keep*
my smaller stuff.
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
shreadvector
1) Blow apart at ignition. And "NO" the nozzle was in no way clogged or
obstructed by the igniter!
2) Motor ignites fine and the rocket proceeds to great altitude and at
the moment when propellant burnout should occur, the motor casing is
blown to bits. Not much left of those rockets.
Until the manufacturer publicly states what is wrong and how they
intend to fix it, I personally suggest not using them at all.
-Fred Shecter NAR 20117
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZshr...
Jerry Irvine
kas...@comcast.net wrote:
Thanks.
Kits can be ordered from USR directly and you pay after you get it so
there is no financial risk.
The purpose of offering prizes is to encourage the rest of the world to
order from folks who support important efforts like SaveRocketry, EMRR,
rocket materials and others.
USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to
the ATF lawsuit.
Jerry
The purpose of trolls is to annoy without actually DOING anything
positive themselves.
luna...@juno.com
Good to see you responding to posting for a change. So you say by
paying AFTER I receive products from you, is the way to avoid risks
doing business with you ... so the corollary would be: If I did send
you money first, there would be risks!?
At least you are being honest about your dishonesty ... that is the
first step to recovery I guess?
You giving the ATF lawsuit money, is like the fox giving the farmer
some of his chickens back. You have done more to hurt the hobby than
any single person in the history of model rocketry. You have stolen
10s of thousands of dollars from partners, individuals, and
organizations. You have also given ammunition to anti-rocketry groups,
by pulling that "model airplane parts" stunt ... you don't give a rats
ass about anybody other that yourself ... it shows.
I say, F&$K you, F&$K your shell companies and products. I will buy
Kosdon before you. I will buy Aerotech before you. I will buy
Estes/Quest before you. I would rather use the paper towel rolls,
before you. The SRN is just a stunt on your part to try and slither
your way back into rocketry. We see this stupid, so stop thinking you
are smarter than us.
The purpose of a thief is to lure people into security, then steal from
them when they are not looking ... as you have done time and time again
for over 30 years Jerry.
Well we will just have to be vigilant and look out for your scams.
Kurt
and USR Banshee to dual-deploy with the Xavien designed 2.25"
electronics bay. Going to use a Perfect Flite altimeter. I've ordered
kits before from USR and have no problems whatsoever.
I'm glad he generally doesn't bother with chutes as I like to use my own
nylon ones anyways. The plastic wrap ones usually end up at chutes for
my son's Army men and G.I. Joes.
Kurt Savegnago
W. E. Fred Wallace
Jerry Irvine wrote:
>
> As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are
> rude and offtopic.
>
> Jerry
>
and, to remind those of your "repetitive historical anomalies", so those
new to RMR will not suffer a criminal experience, as allegedly others
have in the past..
W. E. Fred Wallace
I agree completely - so much so, I could not bring myself to snip any
content..
Richard Burney
"Jerry Irvine" <01ro...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> As has been posted to rmr, one can simply contact USR (by email) with a
> request for a "similarly priced" kit and get that instead.
>
> As for the hateful and attacking posts from the usual suspects, you are
> rude and offtopic.
>
> Jerry
Jerry, in none of your e-mail responses did you ever offer that as an
option. I would have been completely fine with that, but you should have
said something when it was clear that you were unable to offer the Titan kit
to me any time soon. Why did you have Save Rocketry Now post basically
fraudulent information about the prizes you could offer... you should only
had offered ACTUAL PHYSICAL MERCHANDISE THAT YOU HAD ON HAND AND WERE READY
TO SHIP! I could have told Mark Bundick and Kevin Trojanowski that I was
going to offer, oh lets say, an actual Space Shuttle! Obviously I don't
have one so it would be deceitful for me to offer something I don't have and
that I'm not going to probably have anytime soon. Then of course it makes
Save Rocketry Now look bad when at least one of the donating parties fails
to come through with their promises.
After I e-mailed you in November, I gave you two-and-a-half months to get
your affairs squared away and so that you could get through the holiday
season with out this bother to worry about. As I already said, I e-mailed
you (through US Rocket's e-mail address) again LAST WEEK about this matter.
Over a week later you have not replied period... no word on sending the
Titan, no offer for something else, NOTHING, NO RESPONSE.
I am going to e-mail you again this evening and this time I expect a prompt
response.
Richard Burney
> the ATF lawsuit.
>
> Jerry
You should restate that as OFFERED. You didn't physically send the actual
prizes to SRN. You gave SRN a list, but how many of those prizes truly
existed for keeping the end of your promise?
If another Save Rocketry Now raffle is done, they should demand that
donators physically send the items to SRN so no BS like this takes place.
Kevin Trojanowski
> USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to
> the ATF lawsuit.
No, you promised them, but obviously haven't delivered. You make claims
of offering alternatives, yet people can't get you to respond to emails,
so those claims are obviously worth about as much as your prize promises.
You're the only one I consistently get emails regarding on this, too.
You can make all the claims you want, but to date, they're BS, because
as you have done in previous "prize donations", you've failed to deliver
the goods.
Until such time as you make good on your promises, sit down and shut up.
-Kevin
Richard Burney
"J.A. Michel" <jm4...@spamnotalltel.net> wrote in message
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Richard Burney
J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more of
the same motor catoed at that launch (Nebraska Heat VII). Years earlier I
remember seeing multiple Ellis Mountain M1000's catoing at a number of
launches I attended during 1998 and 1999. Cato, er, Ellis Mountain
definitely doesn't have the best rep.
When I saw that I won a set of motors from Ellis Mountain (cato problems)
and a kit from US Rockets (Jerry's mixed record), I wondered if Kevin or
whoever pulled my tickets was having a sense of humor.;)
"shreadvector" <fred.e....@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
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Fred Shecter
non-repeatable quality of modern phenolic tubing.
That is why many have shifted to other casing materials.
--
-Fred Shecter
remove zorch two places to reply
Current eBay auctions:
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"Richard Burney" <rcbu...@nospamcox.net> wrote in message
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Kevin Trojanowski
> Fred, almost two years ago I tried one of those single use Ellis Mountain
> J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more of
> the same motor catoed at that launch (Nebraska Heat VII). Years earlier I
> remember seeing multiple Ellis Mountain M1000's catoing at a number of
> launches I attended during 1998 and 1999. Cato, er, Ellis Mountain
> definitely doesn't have the best rep.
We had 5 of 'em that day, I think. Later, George Collins moved here
from the southwest and had a cluster of them; one of those catoed, too.
Different motor that time.
I won't buy an Ellis Mountain motor.
-Kevin
james hendricksen
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
>
>> USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to the
>> ATF lawsuit.
>
> No, you promised them, but obviously haven't delivered. You make claims
> of offering alternatives, yet people can't get you to respond to emails,
> so those claims are obviously worth about as much as your prize promises.
>
> You're the only one I consistently get emails regarding on this, too. You
> can make all the claims you want, but to date, they're BS, because as you
> have done in previous "prize donations", you've failed to deliver the
> goods.
I never thought I would be this doing ever...... I am not defending or
sticking up for anyone,just stateing the facts...so here goes............I
entered the save rocketry contest not ever thinking or caring if I won
anything......just did it to donate money to the cause..............but low
and behold.......I never go a notice or anything........but in november a us
rockets piston launch kit showed up out of nowhere.....no note or message
of any type with it.......so I assumed it was from my entry...........any
how I got my prize, so some one was doing there job correctly and credit
must be given where credit is due.....I'm just sorry the rest of you did not
get your prizes in a timely fashion......... thankyou somebody.....whom ever
you are!
Jerry Irvine
"Fred Shecter" <fredzorc...@earthlink.zorchnet> wrote:
> I've received an e-mail from an expert who says the problems are due to the
> non-repeatable quality of modern phenolic tubing.
BS. AT and others have used the SAME phenolic as me for decades. The
problem is QC by the motor maker NOT any alleged variability in phenolic.
News flash. Don't run it within 10% of the burst pressure!
Tech Jerry
> "Richard Burney" <rcbu...@nospamcox.net> wrote in message
> news:v0AEf.29114$CV.14332@dukeread03...
> > Fred, almost two years ago I tried one of those single use Ellis Mountain
> > J125's(?) and the motor catoed on the pad. That same day one or two more
> > of the same motor catoed at that launch (Nebraska Heat VII). Years
> > earlier I remember seeing multiple Ellis Mountain M1000's catoing at a
> > number of launches I attended during 1998 and 1999. Cato, er, Ellis
> > Mountain definitely doesn't have the best rep.
--
Jerry Irvine
Kevin Trojanowski <tr...@excessbits.cox.net> wrote:
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
>
> > USR provided about 20% of ALL the prizes for SRN. The proceds went to
> > the ATF lawsuit.
>
> No, you promised them, but obviously haven't delivered.
YOU had the event several MONTHS LATE.
YOU provided several "prize winners" with no address at all and
confusion over what they even won.
80 or so prize winners fully satisfied. 4 or so not resolved. Care to
help me resolve your errors? That would be just peachy.
Jerry
No good deed goes unpunished.
> You make claims
> of offering alternatives, yet people can't get you to respond to emails,
> so those claims are obviously worth about as much as your prize promises.
NO claims for exchanges went unanswered. Ever.
>
> You're the only one I consistently get emails regarding on this, too.
> You can make all the claims you want, but to date, they're BS, because
> as you have done in previous "prize donations", you've failed to deliver
> the goods.
>
> Until such time as you make good on your promises, sit down and shut up.
>
> -Kevin
--
the notorious t-e-d
Not really in the same realm as the SRN raffle but in '04 I got a USR
Sonic 2200 from JI via ebay. I got the thing via USPS within the same
week and it didn't cost extra for shipping. I'm still amazed on how he
got it to MN so fast and cheap. Received the kit in excellent condition
and it comes with just about the best balsa cone I've ever seen!
On a much more related note I also won a item on the SRN raffle. I
still don't have my prize yet but I also know that the prize donator
does this as his side gig. I also know his day job involves some
serious travel and I can't forget he has a family. In my particular
case it's obvious where the priority is and should be. I'll get it when
I get it. I'm in no hurry but maybe that's just me.
It's only a hobby.....and a fun hobby at that.
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
luna...@juno.com
Its only a hobby ... Jerry rips off a few people, its just spilt milk
or having to crack a few eggs to make a cake.
Ted, I NEVER want to see a SINGLE fucking posting from you EVER
complaining that you were ripped off in a Jerry transaction or ANY
other action by ANYONE else. If you do, you are talking out the side
of your neck! And I WILL CALL YOU ON IT PUBLICALLY.
So lets have fun, Jerry rip off as many suckers as you can find,
because its all one big fun hobby ... peoples hard earned HONEST money,
is just PLAY/FUN money for Jerry. Ted, NEVER open your mouth about
being ripped off or make comments about such people ... its just a big
friggin fun hobby ...
Now the rest of us see how Jerry SLITHERS in and out of the hobby ...
Jerry, I guess its ok to steal from people as long as you have fun
doing it ... according to Ted ...
luna...@juno.com
you. You can take that phenolic and shove it up your skinny felon ass!
But as long as you are having FUN stealing from people, according to
TED, I guess its ok ... better get the OK from TED first!
the notorious t-e-d
mixing the meth with Cialis?
http://www.all-good-tabs.com/lyrics-bands-wesley_willis-suck_a_cheetahs_dick-176346.html
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
the notorious t-e-d
http://www.all-good-tabs.com/lyrics-bands-wesley_willis-kiss_my_black_ass-176324.html
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
luna...@juno.com
Its FUN, so its ok Ted ... right? Hehe haha ... hehe haha I NEVER want
to see a single posting for the remainder of your life complaining
about being ripped off ... if you DO I will call you the HYPOCRIT that
you are ... so be VERY careful in your financial dealings Teddy ... be
very careful.
the notorious t-e-d
Insulin pills....didja take any today?
:)
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
Jerry Irvine
"lunarlosRE...@juno.com" <luna...@juno.com> wrote:
Let's be clear.
He posted that because of this:
the notorious t-e-d wrote:
> Not really in the same realm as the SRN raffle but in '04 I got a USR
> Sonic 2200 from JI via ebay. I got the thing via USPS within the same
> week and it didn't cost extra for shipping. I'm still amazed on how he
> got it to MN so fast and cheap. Received the kit in excellent condition
> and it comes with just about the best balsa cone I've ever seen!
Jerry
luna...@juno.com
still a snake and should be cast out of the Garden of 'rocket' Eden! I
don't care if he posted because pigs can fly, you are still one of the
greatest threats/embarrasments to the hobby of Rockety at ANY and ALL
Levels!
I realize you have an ego ... I realize you are a sociopath ... and I
also realize that you are a evil person at the core ...
Which of those points would you failingly like to refute?
So you gave away $500.00 worth of products, you have STOLEN 10s of
thousands from other people/orgs. So you are 'honest' today, have you
paid your debts to the hundreds of people you have ripped off? No, so
you are just as dirty now as youo were then. Q.E.D. Now if you need
more help understanding this ... nevermind ... its useless with you.
All we can do is warn others about you.
Tater Schuld
people who demonstrate communication skills like yours do MORE dammage than
ANY scam artist.
you think mothers want their kids in a hobby with people who talk like you?
"lunarlosRE...@juno.com" <luna...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Jerry Irvine
"Tater Schuld" <Tate...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> geez dude, If i give you some rocket kits, will you SHUT UP?
>
> people who demonstrate communication skills like yours do MORE dammage than
> ANY scam artist.
>
> you think mothers want their kids in a hobby with people who talk like you?
>
The HPR hobby has dropped off 90% since 1992.
--
luna...@juno.com
...
Don't want any rockets, but I do need some metal geared BB servos for a
5 meter
scale glider I am working on. Now if you could only ...
Jerry Irvine wrote:i
Kevin Trojanowski
> I never thought I would be this doing ever...... I am not defending or
> sticking up for anyone,just stateing the facts...so here goes............I
> entered the save rocketry contest not ever thinking or caring if I won
> anything......just did it to donate money to the cause..............but low
> and behold.......I never go a notice or anything........but in november a us
> rockets piston launch kit showed up out of nowhere.....no note or message
> of any type with it.......so I assumed it was from my entry...........any
> how I got my prize, so some one was doing there job correctly and credit
> must be given where credit is due.....I'm just sorry the rest of you did not
> get your prizes in a timely fashion......... thankyou somebody.....whom ever
> you are!
I'm glad you got your kit; truly, I am. I had HOPED this would be the
case for everyone, and jerry did get a number of the prizes out on time.
However, I have received emails from numerous people who have received
nada from him, and all of their emails go unanswered. The ONLY way any
of them have been able to elicit ANY sort of response from him is to go
public and complain. Even then, they get a rather belligerent response,
even though they've first taken it up via email.
-Kevin
Kevin Trojanowski
> YOU had the event several MONTHS LATE.
So, you're saying that because the Presidents of NAR and Tripoli decided
to delay things, this somehow caused you to not have the items on hand?
That's rich.
> YOU provided several "prize winners" with no address at all and
> confusion over what they even won.
Let's get that one straight right now. Nobody who has complained was
someone for whom I cannot provide an address. As for the duplicate, I
offered to pay you for that extra item, myself. You declined. Now you
want to someone use that to justify your inability to deliver?
> 80 or so prize winners fully satisfied. 4 or so not resolved. Care to
> help me resolve your errors? That would be just peachy.
I offered, bucko, you declined. The errors of YOURS still haven't been
resolved, and they've received belligerence and excuses.
> No good deed goes unpunished.
Yeah, so I've noticed. I'm still taking crap for being stupid enough to
trust you to hold to your word. As usual, of course, rather than step
up and admit that you didn't follow through, you're blaming either the
recipient, or someone else. Because nothing is ever your fault, yet
problems seem to follow you everywhere you go.
-Kevin
raydu...@aol.com
Jerry Irvine wrote:
> In article <M8AEf.9811$1n4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Fred Shecter" <fredzorc...@earthlink.zorchnet> wrote:
>
> > I've received an e-mail from an expert who says the problems are due to the
> > non-repeatable quality of modern phenolic tubing.
>
> BS. AT and others have used the SAME phenolic as me for decades.
Hey, I thought you said you don't make motors -- you're just a
middleman.
> The
> problem is QC by the motor maker NOT any alleged variability in phenolic.
>
> News flash. Don't run it within 10% of the burst pressure!
Here's a news flash for you, Jerry: The phenolic tubing manufacturers
have changed hands in recent years, and the quality has gone downhill
since then. Of course, if you were an actual motor manufacturer you
would have known that. When, exactly, was the last time you made
motors? Was it before or after your felony conviction?
i
Darren J Longhorn
<tr...@excessbits.cox.net> wrote:
>I'm glad you got your kit; truly, I am. I had HOPED this would be the
>case for everyone, and jerry did get a number of the prizes out on time.
>
>However, I have received emails from numerous people who have received
>nada from him, and all of their emails go unanswered. The ONLY way any
>of them have been able to elicit ANY sort of response from him is to go
>public and complain. Even then, they get a rather belligerent response,
>even though they've first taken it up via email.
Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is
telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively
filters emails from certain domains (yahoo, to my personal knowledge).
So maybe people really have sent him emails, and perhaps the reason
that they have gone unanswered is that he really hasn't received them.
Just speculation (except for the part about emails from yahoo).
--
Darren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/
NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk/
UKRA #1094 L2 RSO http://www.ukra.org.uk/
Kevin Trojanowski
> Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is
> telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively
> filters emails from certain domains (yahoo, to my personal knowledge).
> So maybe people really have sent him emails, and perhaps the reason
> that they have gone unanswered is that he really hasn't received them.
In conversations with the people who've been having the problems? No.
They got replies early on, then they suddenly stopped. Look at the
response they get when they ask publicly; hardly pleasant.
Oh, and Richard Burney got sworn at in the email reply he FINALLY got
from Jerry.
-Kevin
Bob Kaplow
> Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is
> telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively
> filters emails from certain domains (yahoo, to my personal knowledge).
> So maybe people really have sent him emails, and perhaps the reason
> that they have gone unanswered is that he really hasn't received them.
>
> Just speculation (except for the part about emails from yahoo).
Yahoo and other 'free' mail sources are heavily used by spammers. Many ISPs
now use DNSRBLs to reject mail from known spammers. I know that every now
and then even my account that I post these messages from starts rejecting
mail from Yahoo as it hits some threshold and is declared a spam source.
Then all those stupid yahoo group mail messages start bouncing back to yahoo
as well.
I'm sure the same thing happens to other free mail sources, not just yahoo.
That's what you get when you use a 'free' mail provider.
--
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
We have awakened a sleeping giant and instilled in it a terrible
resolve. -- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII.
Kevin Trojanowski
> Yahoo and other 'free' mail sources are heavily used by spammers. Many ISPs
> now use DNSRBLs to reject mail from known spammers. I know that every now
> and then even my account that I post these messages from starts rejecting
> mail from Yahoo as it hits some threshold and is declared a spam source.
> Then all those stupid yahoo group mail messages start bouncing back to yahoo
> as well.
A good portion of the spam I get lists AOL as its "from" address. I
don't get a great deal that lists Yahoo or other free services.
-Kevin
David Erbas-White
>Could there actually be another explanation. One in which everyone is
>telling the truth? I know for example that Jerry's email aggressively
>filters emails from certain domains (yahoo, to my personal knowledge).
>So maybe people really have sent him emails, and perhaps the reason
>that they have gone unanswered is that he really hasn't received them.
>
>Just speculation (except for the part about emails from yahoo).
>
>
>
Every time that I wrote to Jerry in the past about ordering products
from US Rockets, I received a prompt reply. Many times Jerry would send
me a direct comment about things I'd said here on rmr. Curiously, when
I politely inquired about when my SRN prize would ship, I received
absolutely no response, until (weeks later) I finally stated (publically
on rmr) that this was what had occurred.
You can draw your own conclusions.
David Erbas-White
P.S. Same email address used EVERY time, both in sending to him, and my
'reply-to' address.
Darren J Longhorn
I'm not trying to excuse that sort of behaviour.
Darren J Longhorn
Then my theory clearly doesn't apply to you.
the notorious t-e-d
A general note:
The 'from' address will never give you the correct answer on exactly
where the spam came from. Check out the ip addy in the header and do a
reverse dns lookup followed by a tracert and more than anything you'll
find the offending host. An more than likely the offending host is a
incorrectly config'd relay host. More and more now I'm actually finding
out the host is just some goobers non-patch windows system which would
also would be a infected *zombie* pc.
At work I apply this same technique for email viruses. Then I contact
the isp(phone only) and report the ip. If the isp is worth their worth
the offending PC user gets a *greeting* from their isp and I get my mail
*clean* server back.
Sam Spade makes all this much less of a chore
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
Richard Burney
his Mosquito 2.2 kits (worth the same value as his Titan kit).
I wanted to update everyone on the situation. For now I will be laying this
controversy to pasture, but if I don't see anything in the next few weeks, I
will continue to hold Jerry's feet to the fire over this matter and will
either resurrect this thread or start a new one.
Before this mess started, I had no beef against Jerry Irvine and it just
perplexes me why I have gotten this kind of treatment from him when we have
neither met or have had any kind of past interaction.
"Richard Burney" <rcbu...@nospamcox.net> wrote in message
news:4wcEf.29004$CV.15696@dukeread03...
>I haven't posted on any newsgroup in some time, but I needed to bring this
>up.
>
> 5 months ago, I won a Titan kit from US Rockets along with a pack of Ellis
> Mountain E12 motors from Just Rockets.
>
> http://www.saverocketrynow.org/prizes.asp
>
> Within a few weeks, Just Rockets came through with the prize that they had
> donated and that I had won. I thank Just Rockets for coming through in
> timely fashion.
>
> Jerry Irvine (US Rockets) on the other hand has sent zilch. The last time
> I heard from him was right before Thanksgiving on November 16th; he said
> that they were missing the parts and he would get the kit sent out as soon
> as he was "back from his business trip".
>
> It is now February 1st and still no Titan kit. I tried emailing him again
> last week, but as usual he didn't reply.
>
> How many other people won a US Rockets item from Save Rocketry Now haven't
> received their prize yet? I have to wonder why he offered all these
> different prizes to this raffle and 5 months later, he has failed to come
> through. Shouldn't Mr. Irvine only offer things that he has on hand and
> is ready to ship? Better yet, shouldn't Mr. Irvine spend more time with
> his business matters instead of wasting it on posting on newsgroups like
> RMR?;)
>
> I would have kept this matter private, but Jerry's failure to deliver on
> this prize that I legitimately won in this raffle has forced my hand. If
> Jerry continues to fail to deliver and if there is another Save Rocketry
> Now raffle or one like it, I will contact the coordinators not to accept
> anything from US Rockets. I paid (donated) my money like everyone else to
> this cause and I should surely hope to receive my prize like everyone
> else.
>
> Richard Burney
>
Kevin Trojanowski
> The 'from' address will never give you the correct answer on exactly
> where the spam came from.
Yep, I know. Just pointing out that I see more AOL spoofs than anything
else.
-Kevin
W. E. Fred Wallace
Darren J Longhorn wrote:
>
> >Oh, and Richard Burney got sworn at in the email reply he FINALLY got
> >from Jerry.
>
> I'm not trying to excuse that sort of behaviour.
>
> --
> Darren J Longhorn
How about those JI motors that were shipped to the UK, under the table,
so to speak?? (:-)
W. E. Fred Wallace
Richard Burney wrote:
>
>
> Before this mess started, I had no beef against Jerry Irvine and it just
> perplexes me why I have gotten this kind of treatment from him when we have
> neither met or have had any kind of past interaction.
>
> "Richard Burney"
It's not you or about you, it's all about "Jerry" and his history.. (:-)
One thing for sure, he seems consistent...
Fred
Bob Kaplow
> A good portion of the spam I get lists AOL as its "from" address. I
> don't get a great deal that lists Yahoo or other free services.
Much spam has forged from addresses. You can't tell where it came from by
reading wha's int he "to" field. You have to crack the headers and reverse
translate the IP addresses. SPAMCOP.NET does this for you.
In addition to the DNSRBL, many sights reverse translate the IP address, and
reject mail if the name and address don't match. This too reduces spam, but
sometimes trips up some legitimate mail.
--
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --
Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 1759
Darren J Longhorn
<frede...@boe.com> wrote:
>How about those JI motors that were shipped to the UK, under the table,
>so to speak?? (:-)
Well, I don't really know how they were shipped here. They never went
on the market, so I never got the opportunity to try one.
Jerry Irvine
Darren J Longhorn <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Then my theory clearly doesn't apply to you.
It does not apply at all in this case.
Richard Burney
Two weeks ago I finally received his Mosquito 2.2 kit in the mail. Guess
what? It was missing both centering rings! Finally about two weeks I
received in the mail both centering rings.
Last night I sent him a final e-mail thanking him for sending the rings.
But I also used the opportunity to go over again the problems I have
experienced with Jerry over the last 6 months and how that has negatively
effected me ever being a customer of his or recommending others to buy from
him. Below are the contents of that e-mail:
************************************
Jerry,
Got the set of centering rings in the mail yesterday. Thanks for the speedy
delivery.
With that said, I have to say I am not too terribly impressed by your
overall service as a company or you as a person. Back after I originally
won that Titan kit from the Save Rocketry Now raffle, when it became evident
that you were unable to deliver on the item you had promised you should
have:
A) Told me that you did not have it on hand
B) Give me a timetable on when you could actually provide the prize. If
you had said that it would have been, let's say, 6 months out or so and you
had promptly returned my e-mails letting me know what the situation was, I
would have been cool with that.
or
C) Offered me an alternative. All of a sudden out of the blue on RMR you
mentioned the possibility of me picking an alternative when you had never
mentioned that to me before.
After all the months of dicking around with you I had no choice but to
publicly put this situation on RMR... of course this created bad publicity
for you, but it was your own fault.
After taking a light hearted poke at you because of your own dealings (or I
should say lack of) with me and other rocketeers you privately e-mailed me
to "fuck off"... didn't have the balls to tell me that right on RMR itself,
huh? I have dealt with a lot of rocketeers through out the years and I
would never expect that kind of childish behavior from very few of them.
Because of this experience I have had with you, you have personally
guaranteed that I will NEVER be a paying customer of yours and that I will
sway as many people that I can NOT to buy your products. Again this was all
a very avoidable situation.
Richard
***********************************
Today I got the following e-mail response from Mr. Irvine:
***********************************
>From: Richard Burney Date: Fri Mar 03 18:30:29 CST 2006
>To: Jerry Irvine <01ro...@gte.net>
>Subject: Centering rings received
>Told me that you did not have it on hand
True.
>I had no choice but to publicly put this situation on RMR.
False.
> .. of course this created bad publicity for you, but it was your own
> fault.
False.
> didn't have the balls to tell me that right on RMR itself, huh?
Didn't have that much discourtesy for you.
>I will NEVER be a paying customer of yours
Good.
> and that I will sway as many people that I can NOT to buy your products.
Thank you for your admission of trade interference. I will use it.
Jerry
******************************************
So Jerry first of all drags his feet for nearly half-a-year for a prize that
he promised to have available for Save Rocketry Now almost a year ago, now
he is THREATENING me because of the poor service HE has given to me.
"Trade interference" - if Jerry wants to blame anyone for "trade
interference" he only has himself to blame for causing the "inference" of
his business. His dragging his feet on doing anything, his lack of
communication, and his piss-poor treatment and attitude towards me has lost
him at least me as a potential customer and so he has created "trade
interference" all for himself. If I desire to pass my experiences with
Jerry onto anyone else deciding to buy his products, I have a First
Amendment right to express my opinion. If he wants to do anything against
me for him creating this whole situation, I have all my e-mails and his
responses as documented proof of the situation he created.
I don't have to even directly say "Don't buy from Jerry Irvine/US
rockets"... everything documented in this online thread speaks volumes of
Jerry's character and whether people should deal with his model rocketry
company or not.
Richard Burney
W. E. Fred Wallace
Richard Burney wrote:
>
>
> I don't have to even directly say "Don't buy from Jerry Irvine/US
> rockets"... everything documented in this online thread speaks volumes of
> Jerry's character and whether people should deal with his model rocketry
> company or not.
>
> Richard Burney
No problem, I'll say it: Jerry Irvine, owner of US Rockets, is a
demonstrated and obvious crook, (in addition to being a liar and a
fraud). By his past history, with many obvious example, anyone who
conducts business with him should approach with extreme caution, if at
all. Jerry, if you need cites, just say the word...
Fred
luna...@juno.com
W. E. Fred Wallace wrote:
>
> No problem, I'll say it: Jerry Irvine, owner of US Rockets, is a
> demonstrated and obvious crook, (in addition to being a liar and a
> fraud). By his past history, with many obvious example, anyone who
> conducts business with him should approach with extreme caution, if at
> all. Jerry, if you need cites, just say the word...
>
> Fred
Fred,
If you want, I can post links to Jerry's civil and criminal
prosecutions ... Hi Jerry, I notice you have been 'laying low' lately,
but as soon as you come back, I have something for you ... my old
friend :)
People who deal with Jerry, and KNOW his background, are just STUPID!
luna...@juno.com
I am sorry you didn't heed the warnings posted on here over the last 13
years about Jerry Irvine. Matter of fact, Jerry's
rip-offs go back almost 30 years. He has stolen money from
individuals, buisnesses and organizations. He has sold defective
products. He has broken state and federal laws ... the list goes on.
We don't HATE Jerry because we are jealous of his personally preceived
'OMNIPITENSE', or his 20+ year old line of 'vapor-ware' kits, that PML
easily eclipses in design, quality, and price ratios (as an example).
We HATE Jerry because of all the bullshit, lies, and thieving he has
done to the tune of over a hundred thousand dollars that I can document
so far.
So I am sorry for your experience, but you had to learn the HARD WAY as
sooooooo many others have in the past and into the future; it won't get
any better until the day Jerry dies and then I am sure he will have a
fraud based on that!
So if you are reading this, and you have taken the time to read back
through the archives, and you ignore the obvious and deal with Jerry
Irvine, and he screws you ...tough shit. You were warned that you were
dealing with a cobra and chances are 2:1 that you are going to get bit
... tough, suck the poison out and live with it. Please don't come
posting to this group as if the sky is falling ... as one poster here
put it, its all FUN so get over it ... right Ted?
the notorious t-e-d
> Richard,
... as one poster here
> put it, its all FUN so get over it ... right Ted?
>
A wee bit early to be hitting the bottle...dontcha think?
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
I
in dragging him through the mud in a public forum, except to be
petty and mean. You got a bad shake, for sure, and obviously he
lost a potential customer forever. Rehashing it all here doesn't
serve any purpose though.
JMHO.
W. E. Fred Wallace
I wrote:
>
> Rehashing it all here doesn't serve any purpose though.
>
> JMHO.
Obviously others, at least some, differ in there opinion, humble or
not.. (;-)
Kevin Trojanowski
Actually, considering that he originally had to come here to get
anything of what he had won, it's wholly appropriate to post a follow-up
here. 1) It lets folks know that the goods WERE eventually delivered.
2) It lets folks know that rather that take the opportunity to try to
resolve a problem, jerry is more interested in swearing at people and
threatening them.
For those who don't believe it's true, it demonstrates a continued
pattern of behavior on the part of jerry.
-Kevin
Kevin Trojanowski
> So I am sorry for your experience, but you had to learn the HARD WAY as
> sooooooo many others have in the past and into the future; it won't get
> any better until the day Jerry dies and then I am sure he will have a
> fraud based on that!
Yo! Did you actually bother to READ the thread, or are you too busy
salivating at the opportunity to jump on jerry?
Richard won a prize that was donated by jerry, and had difficulty in
collecting. He had to bring it to RMR in order to get any sort of
response, and is letting folks know that he A) finally did get his prize
and B) got sworn at.
-Kevin
Barry Bonds
this is a wonderfully FUN way to do business in the MR community right?
Jerry can tell his customers to FUCK OFF and the world is a fun place
to fly rockets. I hope Jerry screws all of you sucksers ... wait he
already has :)
And yes, Jerry is a tasty crook ... love taking a bite out of him every
chance I can!
Its all fun Ted, people getting ripped off ... its all fun! Why don't
you place a several hundred dollar order with Jerry, Ted? Put your
'fun' money where your mouth is :) Oh wait, its easy to state crap
from the safety of the other side of your monitor screen ... I forgot.
I
{
do:
flog(horse)
while (horse==dead)
}
Richard Burney
Rocketry Now. Instead of delivering said prize or making an offer for a
substitute, I ended up sending e-mails back and forth to him for 5 months
trying to make him owe up to his commitment. I finally decided to post my
situation here in order to force his hand (which it did).
Though I am not an active member of this newsgroup, I have followed this
newsgroup for about 5 or 6 years. I have seen a lot of the things said
about Jerry and have seen the things that he has said. I have also heard a
lot of other stories through other sources about his troubles with the law
and his frivolous lawsuits which has resulted in the state of California
requiring him now to put up $50,000 of his own money in order for him to
initiate a lawsuit.
With that said, when I had won this kit back at the beginning of September,
all I expected was him to have mailed the kit out to me in a few weeks of
when the winners were announced and that would be the end of it. I didn't
expect to go through the crap I have for 6 months now and now having this
guy curse, swear and threaten me.
Regardless of his record, I had no reason to believe at the onset of all of
this that he was going to pull all this stuff on me. I had no previous
dealings with him and I had no personal beef against him. It just blows my
mind that this guy is trying to conduct a business with this kind of
attitude. How does he expect to maintain current or make new customers?
"lunarlosRE...@juno.com" <luna...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1141571023.7...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
the notorious t-e-d
Of course it's not fun for someone to get ripped off. And the only one
that's stating crap from the other side of a monitor is you, AND your
hiding behind a bs name.
btw, lay off the hooch.
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
luna...@juno.com
tdstr
In the grand scheme of things, *small* happy hobby. Now baseball card
collecting, there's a big happy hobby :)
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
TDKozan
. . .
> Regardless of his record, I had no reason to believe at the onset of all of
> this that he was going to pull all this stuff on me. I had no previous
> dealings with him and I had no personal beef against him. It just blows my
> mind that this guy is trying to conduct a business with this kind of
> attitude. How does he expect to maintain current or make new customers?
>
>
You got hosed.
Most folks got their prizes but it looks like you were the exception.
Bummer, for a while there it looked like JI was turning his act
around. I still hope he'll pull it off, however unlikely it seems.
Heck, if he'd try taking responsibility for his actions once in a
while it'd go a long way.
Thank you for presenting your experience here patiently and fairly.
Your input will influence both my and many others' buying decisions in
the future.
TK
--
"Not only does nature abhor a vacuum, you ought to see my cat's reaction."