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"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Debbie
"peter" <pe...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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The object of an "In-Place Upgrade" is to keep all your XP applications,
user accounts, data files and not be forced to start with a clean install of
Windows 7. Keep in mind a lot of XP applications are not Vista compatible
and it will take time for patches or application upgrades to become
available after the official release of Windows 7.
I would expect but can't sat for sure that there will be a "Windows 7
upgrade" version
as opposed to the full product.
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"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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XP (including the upgrade version) will qualify for you to install Windows 7
using an upgrade license. However, you won't be able to install Win7 as an
actual upgrade over XP (keeping your installed programs, etc.). You'd have
to do a clean installation of it. None of your programs or settings would be
preserved. (The *data* on the drive would not be destroyed, though.) All
that you'll need to buy, though, is an upgrade version.
You will be able to use an upgrade license with your laptop. You could
install Win7 over Vista as an upgrade. (There may be version restrictions
that would require a clean installation, but the laptop should qualify for
an upgrade license.)
In my opinion, a clean installation of Windows 7 is safest. I tried the beta
(build 7000) of Win7. The first time I tried to install it was as an upgrade
over Vista X64. It was a bit of a mess; for example, most of the help files
for Win7 didn't install. A clean re-install was much better.
I don't know if the basic function of a Win7 upgrade license will be similar
to that of a Vista upgrade, but if it is, it's much less usable than the XP
upgrade. An XP upgrade license was essentially as functional as a full
license. (All that was needed over the full license was letting it find
"qualifying media".) A Vista installation using an upgrade license must be
started from a running qualifying OS; it can't be started directly from the
DVD. (It's slightly different in installing Vista X64 with an upgrade
license on a system with a qualifying 32 bit OS; the 32 bit OS can't launch
the 64 bit installation.) In retrospect, I wish that I'd paid the additional
$100US for a full version. It's hard to place a dollar value on annoyance,
but I've probably been through more than $100 worth with that damnable
upgrade license.
I wonder if Win7 will have the same feature as Vista, that is, the
possibility of performing an installation on a bare hard drive using an
upgrade license. (The procedure was: install Vista on the drive without
using a license key. That gives a 30 day demo version. That can be used to
launch the upgrade. In other words, you get a full installation using an
upgrade license, at the price of having to install Vista *twice*.)
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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regards,
Malcolm.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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While some may consider Win7 to be the equivalent of Vista SP3, it's really
not.
>I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's what I'm
>going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you think you MUST
>upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed out, maybe by that time
>you'll need a new computer, anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the
>demands on the computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.
>
>Debbie Graham wrote:
>> I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even better than
>> my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so many
>> programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
>> gives me the shivers
>> Debbie
And then you and Bill can meet here and pine away for the good ol'
days like he still does occasionally (I think he has a Win98 fetish)
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Went home, tried the same software on Win 7
and Vista, guess which OS had not problems with
the install.
Trust me after a short learning period you will like Windows 7.
Yes 7 looks like Vista but its not.
Windows 7 RC for XP users - How to find your way around (Part 2)
http://www.pagestart.com/win7forxpuserspart2.html
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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"Bill in Co." <not_rea...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Mike Torello" <tore...@chicoplt.com> wrote in message
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The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?
SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:ecrUXcP1...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.
Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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>Windows 7 is not VISTA, I never like Vista,
>still don't after spending 4 hours on a friends
>PC trying to install one software application.
>
>Went home, tried the same software on Win 7
>and Vista, guess which OS had not problems with
>the install.
>
>Trust me after a short learning period you will like Windows 7.
>Yes 7 looks like Vista but its not.
>
>Windows 7 RC for XP users - How to find your way around (Part 2)
>http://www.pagestart.com/win7forxpuserspart2.html
With respect : what software took 4 hours to install . I`m using Vista
, with Comodo and the longest software install took 10 miutes .
"Jim" <bojim...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>We never did get it to install so rather than
>badmouth the software application I'm going
>to take another shot at it in about 10 days
>(he has an odd work shift). Suffice to say
>Vista's UAC keep getting in the way of the
>installing and updating of the software.
Turn UAC off temp , install , turn it on ?
SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)
c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free
Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5K-V
Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008
3328 Megabytes Installed Memory
Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:e$aghjQ1J...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.
A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.
Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.
Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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"JS" <@> wrote in message news:uU5pt%23Z1JH...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.
Drive SMART values look OK.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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a.. CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5 - Retail46981299
a..
and this is what CPUID said
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/memory.bmp
Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:OAZmTmc...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:OAZmTmc...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
You may want to check slot #2 to see if it agrees with the slot #1 values.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.
After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:OBiCWEl1...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5 (DDR2-1066/PC2-8500) 2 GB Memory Kit Review
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/363
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:eGyRkKl1...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
What is your processor model: Intel E????
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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this is the processor
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/cpu.bmp
Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:uAZZJXm1...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Processor Review
The review includes a screen shot of CPUz/CPU-ID
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/668/1/
I have an E6700 and a Q6600 so I can't do a snapshot
for you.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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"JS" <@> wrote in message news:egt1lQn1...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Going to 6:5 should increase the CPU speed even more.
Once you have a multiplier that gives the rated speed for your
processor (3.16GHz) any more changes will put you into
overclocking and it appears you have a CPU and Memory
that will overclock well, but one thing at a time. Remember to
make small FSB multiplier changes and use CPU-ID to see
what the results are after each change.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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The multiplier is programmable. The 6 value is probably
the lowest of the range your processor supports.
If you've disabled EIST, then the processor should run at
the high multiplier. 9.5*333 = 3.166GHz. So you could have
an E8500.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPK
Sometimes, the BIOS offers an option to control the multiplier,
and you could check there, to see if there is more to the interface
than just enable/disable for EIST.
"CPU Ratio Control" [Manual] allows manually defining the multiplier.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5K-V/e3269_p5k-v_manual.zip
You could check the "Power" scheme in the control panels,
and see if it is "Always On" or something that enables
a high power operating mode.
You could also check the support page for the motherboard,
and see what minimum version of BIOS supports the processor.
You could try the Intel Processor Identification Utility,
but surprisingly, it doesn't tell you everything you might
want to know about your purchase. On mine, it told me
EIST was not available, but that was a BIOS issue. A hacked
BIOS from Germany, fixed that for me. The Asus BIOS is
higher quality than that.
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/piu/sb/CS-014921.htm
The Asus P5K-V needs BIOS 1002 or later, for the latest version of E8500.
The previous E8500 can use an older BIOS.
http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=p5k-v
Download page.
http://support.asus.com.tw/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=p5k-v
Paul
Debbie
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Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:%23q93Who...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
You can look up the processor, on processorfinder.intel.com . This
is an example of an E8500.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPK
The nominal value is 9.5. I don't know if the BIOS supports
fractional values or not, but you can have a look and see
if it will accept that value.
The multiplier, times the FSB clock, gives the core speed.
If your processor is 3.166GHz, then 333 * 9.5 will get you
there. Set the multiplier to 9.5 in the BIOS, and then see
if the value is correct in Windows.
I had to work a lot harder than you, to get control of mine :-)
I had to wait until a guy in Germany figure out how to fix my
BIOS, so it would work properly. Thank goodness for hackers.
HTH,
Paul
Also:
http://www.techterms.com/definition/fsb
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Debbie
"JS" <@> wrote in message news:O5Vtoyq1...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Try the "AI Overclocking" setting, and try [Manual].
That may unlock things for you, and allow adjusting the FSB.
If your default value is "333" for the FSB clock, try
changing it in tiny steps first. For example, 338 might
be a big enough change, so that you can detect the change
with a utility while in Windows later.
You multiply the FSB clock by 4, to get the FSB data rate.
333MHz clock gives FSB1333 data transfer rate. Since the
processor front side bus is 8 bytes wide, FSB1333 corresponds
to the ability to transfer 10664 MB/sec. For each
clock cycle, there are four data transfers on the bus,
and a data transfer is 8 bytes wide. It all adds up
quickly.
Paul
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/oc.jpg
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/intel.jpg
Debbie
I will post back shortly with two utilities that will
check the stability of your system.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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Next is the torture test, it test both your CPU
and memory, again let it run for about 3 hours
and if it is still running (not in a Stopped state)
and has not reported any errors your good to go!
I would start "SpeedFan" before you run this test and
monitor your CPU temperature, you will know which of
the multiple temperatures readings displayed as soon
as you start the test as the CPU will start going up
in temperature.
Prime95 "Stress Test"
"FREE MERSENNE PRIME SEARCH SOFTWARE"
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/
Download and unzip. It's a standalone .exe file
when you first start this program you will see
a "Welcome to GIMPS" window. bottom right click
on the "Just Stress Testing" button. In the
"Run a Torture Test" window select the "Blend"
option. Leave the "Number of threads to run"
at 2.
"Debbie Graham" <jgra...@luvscats.com> wrote in message
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What manual should do, is make certain settings appear in the BIOS.
When the "AI Overclocking" is set to [Auto], there may be few settings
showing in that BIOS screen. When [Manual] is used, you should see
"FSB Frequency". You should be able to place the cursor on that
item, then use the (+) or (-) keys to increase or decrease the value.
Use only a small adjustment at first, to prove you have control over
it.
It sounds though, like you've at least got a result now, that
bears some resemblance to nominal operation. The nominal values
should have been 9.5 * 333 = 3.166GHz. If the people at Asus could
do arithmetic, 3% on 333 would give 343MHz. That would also have
an impact on your RAM. 343 * 8/5 = 548.8MHz, times 2 = DDR2-1098.
I would have expected your RAM to be 3% over its rated DDR2-1066
as a result.
OK, at the risk of repeating what was posted previously.
"AI Overclocking" [Manual]
"CPU Ratio Control" [Manual]
"Ratio CMOS Setting" [9.5] <----- Use the (+) and (-) keys to set this
Intel SpeedStep Tech [Disabled] <----- So manual setting controls it
My idea there, is I don't want the FSB changed from 333MHz. I
don't want to use NOS. I just want to force the multiplier to
9.5 long enough, to verify you have some degree of control over
the computer you've built. By leaving the FSB at 333, the RAM
will also remain nominal at DDR2-1066.
If you want to continue to use the NOS setting, that is fine too.
After messing around, you'd use memtest86+ and Prime95, to verify
the RAM is really stable at 2.1V and DDR2-1098 caused by NOS 3%.
The reason for doing a memtest86+ test using a floppy or
CDROM, is to verify the system has some measure of stability.
If it doesn't, the Windows install could be corrupted on the
next boot attempt at DDR2-1098. If memtest86+ is error free
for a few passes, you can boot into Windows. The multithreaded
version of Prime95 is here, and I accept 4 hours of error
free stress testing as my stability criterion. Sometimes, I
even play a 3D game, while Prime95 is running, for an extra
thrashing. To do that, I adjust the amount of memory to test,
to leave some room for other programs to run.
http://majorgeeks.com/Prime95_d4363.html
Have fun,
Paul