upgrade to win7 from computer with XP/vista option?

[susie margaret]

hello --

i bought a new computer (dell optiplex 330) in dec, 2008, with a
configuration called "vista premium downgrade relationship." basically, what
this means is that the computer came with XP/SP3 installed but that i have a
separate disk that will install vista instead if i decide i want to (i can't
remember if it uninstalls the XP or exactly what happens with the XP if i do
switch to vista).

what i haven't been able to figure out from the articles that i have read is
whether, with programs that will be available either now or when win7 is
formally released, i can upgrade to win7 --
(1) directly from my currently-installed XP, or
(2) by switching from XP to vista by means of the vista installation disk
that i have, and then upgrading to win7 from there, or
(3) either one, and if so which route is the least hassle and the least
likely to bollix up my computer.

or maybe i should start from scratch -- scrap both XP and vista from this
computer, and just install a clean win7?

does anyone know about this issue?

thanks -- susie margaret

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Vista will be a valid Upgrade path to Win7 but not WinXP. If you restore
the machine to Vista, you can purchase & use an Win7 Upgrade. If you're
still running WinXP, you'd have to purchase a retail version of Win7 and do
a clean install.

cf.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/159933/the_xp_to_windows_7_upgrade_path.html

[susie margaret]

hello, prof. bear --

thanks for your reply. do you recommend one path over the other, or does it
matter? i.e., going from XP to vista, then to win7 OR scratching XP
altogether and putting in a clean win7?

thanks very much -- susie margaret

[R. McCarty]

A double-upgrade ( XP-Vista-Seven ) doesn't seem to be a very high
probability success migration. I've tested this scenario and Seven would
not upgrade the immediately upgraded XP-to-Vista. (Results vary).

Just to avoid issues, I'd use the Easy Transfer Wizard to capture your
settings/data from XP and do a fresh install of Seven. ( Average install
time of a fresh Seven is around 23 Minutes! )

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[susie margaret]

hi --

well, then, do you have a sense of which would be "better" (easier/less
hassle/safer for the computer) --
(1) to upgrade from XP to vista, then upgrade again from vista to win7 --
does that require backing up or, or
(2) to scratch both XP and vista, and just install a clean win7?

-- susie margaret

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

[someone watching]

It really seems strange MS does not allow upgrading from XP. Do they REALLY
think their sales will be what's expected when MULTITUDES of people using XP
will have to disregard ALL the work they did setting up their PC with XP and
do a FORMAT, FRESH INSTALL of 7?

Would it seem sensible to the MULTITUDES of BUSINESSES and GOVERNMENTS
already setup with XP to have to FORMAT and do a fresh install of Win7? Has
MS lost their mind? Unless I'm missing something, seems to me they did!
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[Don Phillipson]

"susie margaret" <s...@smr.com> wrote in message

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> i bought a new computer (dell optiplex 330) in dec, 2008, with a
> configuration called "vista premium downgrade relationship." basically,
what
> this means is that the computer came with XP/SP3 installed but that i have
a

> separate disk that will install vista instead if i decide i want to . . .

> or maybe i should start from scratch -- scrap both XP and vista from this
> computer, and just install a clean win7?

Choice of a PC Operating System should be directed by:
1. Peripherals such as printers, hi-fi sound systems etc.:
which OS do these require?
2. Custom software i.e. the programs you choose to use
whether for accounting, genealogy, photo editing etc.:
which OS do these require?
If you now have a PC that runs all your hardware OK and
does all your tasks, there is no need to change the OS
until/unless something changes. (Your requirements may
change: or some new type of malware penetrates your
anti-virus protection or firewall. But there is no point fretting
about such possibilities before the threat actually appears.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[peter]

Option 2 would be better because you would have a "clean' installation with
no remnants of either XP or Vista.
However you would lose the programs that came with your computer purchase.
Everything would need to be reinstalled and most preconfigured systems have
those programs as part of their
Recovery set with no way to install them separately

peter

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[Unknown]

In-Place Upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7
http://www.pagestart.com/upgradexptowindows7.html

The object of an "In-Place Upgrade" is to keep all your XP applications,
user accounts, data files and not be
forced to start with a clean install of Windows 7. Keep in mind a lot of XP
applications are not Vista compatible
and it will take time for patches or application upgrades become available
after the official release of Windows 7.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

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[susie margaret]

"Don Phillipson" wrote:

> "susie margaret" <susiem...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> Don Phillipson
> Carlsbad Springs
> (Ottawa, Canada)

dear professor phillipson --

all things in the fullness of time, i guess. thanks for your reply.

-- susie margaret

[susie margaret]

dear professor mcCarty --

i appreciate your response, esp since you've actually done what i am
considering! i hope that all are well at your house.

-- susie margaret

"R. McCarty" wrote:

> A double-upgrade ( XP-Vista-Seven ) doesn't seem to be a very high
> probability success migration. I've tested this scenario and Seven would
> not upgrade the immediately upgraded XP-to-Vista. (Results vary).
>
> Just to avoid issues, I'd use the Easy Transfer Wizard to capture your
> settings/data from XP and do a fresh install of Seven. ( Average install
> time of a fresh Seven is around 23 Minutes! )
>

> "susie margaret" <susiem...@comcast.net> wrote in message

[susie margaret]

hello, professor JS --

thank you for that info. i appreciate your taking the time to respond to my
(probably very ignorant) questions!

-- susie margaret

[susie margaret]

hello, professor peter --

thanks, this info is really helpful to me. i appreciate your responding to
my question.

-- susie margaret

[susie margaret]

dear professor JS --

thanks for this info. i appreciate your takiing the time to respond to my
inquiry.

-- susie margaret

[susie margaret]

dear professor peter --

thanks for this info, which is very helpful to me.

-- appreciatively -- susie margaret

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Do you understand what capitalism and for-profit corporations are?

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Note that the article would be more appropriately titled "In-Place Update
WinXP to Vista to Windows 7."

JS wrote:
> In-Place Upgrade Windows XP to Windows 7
> http://www.pagestart.com/upgradexptowindows7.html
>
> The object of an "In-Place Upgrade" is to keep all your XP applications,
> user accounts, data files and not be
> forced to start with a clean install of Windows 7. Keep in mind a lot of
> XP
> applications are not Vista compatible
> and it will take time for patches or application upgrades become available
> after the official release of Windows 7.
>
>

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Contact the computer manufacturer about this. A Win7 Upgrade would be less
expensive, that's for sure.

PS: None of us are professors.

[susie margaret]

hi --

how about MR. bear? i only wanted to show my respect for people who are
clearly much more knowledgeable than i am about about all matters computer.
i've always felt funny about leaping into the use of someone's first name
immediately.

but i guess i should just -- chill out, susie!

thanks for the advice about contacting dell (my next stop) and about the
name Q.

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:26:01 -0700, susie margaret <s...@smr.com>
wrote:

> hi --
>
> how about MR. bear? i only wanted to show my respect for people who are
> clearly much more knowledgeable than i am about about all matters computer.
> i've always felt funny about leaping into the use of someone's first name
> immediately.
>
> but i guess i should just -- chill out, susie!

Here's my view:

1. I'm not a professor, and don't like being called something I'm not.

2. I am a "Mr.," but don't like the formality that goes with calling
me Mr. Blake.

4. I have no problem with you or anyone else calling me by my first
name, Ken. If I objected to being called Ken, I wouldn't provide the
name in my signature or the From line.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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[Unknown]

I think that would give a false impression of
what I wanted to convey.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

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[John John - MVP]

OT. I was reading "Verizon Redirects" on your site, this sounds like a
DNS search hijacking by Verizon. Rogers Cable (Rogers/Yahoo) did the
same thing here in Canada not too long ago, any search on the address
bar just redirects to a Rogers search page and they get a penny (or
something like that) every time someone clicks on one of the search
results from their page. Rogers actually think that they own the internet!

This DNS hijacking cripples one of the most powerful feature in some
browsers, that of being able to go directly to web sites just by typing
the domain name in the address bar. For example simply typing gmc or
microsoft in the Firefox address bar takes you directly to the GMC or
Microsft site. With the Rogers DNS hijack unless you type the *exact*
and complete http://www.gmc.com/ or http://www.microsoft.com/ address
the DNS server interprets it as an invalid domain and it sends you to
the stupid Rogers search page. Along with crippling search from the
address bar and direct navigation to easily resolved domains this DNS
hijacking can create a real headache on VPN networks.

The solution is to call your ISP and tell them that their DNS redirect
to their search page is causing major headaches for your VPN and ask
them to give you the IP address of an alternate DNS server that doesn't
redirect to their search page and then manually assign the DNS server.
Another solution is to use a free DNS server like OpenDNS at 4.2.2.1 or
4.2.2.2 but in my opinion that is not the ideal solution. Why should I
go to a DNS server in a different country to resolve my DNS requests and
why should Rogers or Verizon unload their DNS load onto other servers?
We pay them to provide this service, not to send us to stupid search
pages that only benefits them!

John

PS. By the way, nice job on the web site, looks good.

[Unknown]

I was going to update the article to include
Open DNS. What I will be trying (just in case
Verizon gets wise to the idea) is since my Verizon
supplied box allows for 4 DNS server entries is
to put Verizon's Opt out DNS servers (2) at the
top of the list followed by one Open DNS server
and then if all else fails the last DNS entry would
be one of their default (redirecting) DNS servers.

Between Windows 7 and repairing 2 PCs for a friend
this has kept me busy and not spending as much time
developing or updating articles and getting my Blog
up to date.

On a side note it turns out that Dell gave him a magic
XP key code that works across all three versions of XP
and at least on two entirely different Dell computers.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

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[Unknown]

Almost forgot, thanks for the complement :-}

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

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[susie margaret]

hi, ken --

OK, i get it. thanks for the advice!

-- susie margaret

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:54:02 -0700, susie margaret <s...@smr.com>
wrote:

> hi, ken --

>
> OK, i get it. thanks for the advice!

You're welcome, and thanks for calling me "Ken."

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PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> Do you understand what capitalism and for-profit corporations are?

Respect the majority of your customers' wish or your sales will be
plummeted? Hint: Vista.

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

No one here works for or represents MS, including myself and all other MVPs.
See http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

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PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> No one here works for or represents MS, including myself and all other
> MVPs. See http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

I didn't say you are but you did ask the question like one :)