Malvaceae week :: Kavalama urens (syn. Sterculia urens)

[Dinesh Valke]

Kavalama urens (Roxb.) Raf.

• ka-VAL-um -- from the Tamil name காவலம் kavalam for some of the species of Sterculia
  UR-ens -- stinging

Feb 2, 2008 at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary


commonly known as: bassora tragacanth, ghost tree, Indian tragacanth, karaya tree • Assamese: odla • Gujarati: કડાયો kadaayo, કોગડોલ kogdol • Hindi: गुलु gulu, कराया karaya, कतीरा katira, कुलु kulu • Kannada: kempudale, pinari • Konkani: पांडरूख pandrukh • Malayalam: അണ്ണാന്‍വഴുക്കി annaanvazhukki, തീത്തൊണ്ടി thiiththonti, തൊണ്ടി thonti • Marathi: कांडोळ kandol, कावळी kawali • Oriya: gudalo • Rajasthani: katila • Tamil: குதிரைப்பிடுக்கன் kutiraippitukkan, செந்தணக்கு centanakku, வெல்லை பூத்தாளி vellai-puthali • Telugu: తపసి ట్టు tapasi chettu

Native of: India

• ... Aug 25, 2010 at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park)
• ... Dec 5, 2010 at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park)
• ... Feb 2, 2008 at at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary
• ... more views: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Sterculiaurens&m=tags

Regards.
Dinesh

[Balkar Arya]

Nice Pics Dinesh Ji

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Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

[H S]

very strange... Adansons' earlier name Cavalam is rejected and Rafin. later name Kavalama is accepted... 

Cavalam Adanson, Fam. 2: 357. Jul-Aug 1763.
≡ Sterculia Linnaeus 1753
PHAN.-STERCULIACEAE (10) 9 Feb 1996

Kavalama Rafinesque, Sylva Tell. 72. Oct-Dec 1838.
T.: K. urens (Roxburgh) Rafinesque (Sterculia urens Roxburgh) 
PHAN.-STERCULIACEAE (10) 9 Feb 1996

if Sterculia urens is changed to Kavalama urens .... why Sterculia vilosa is accepted?????????

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear H S

Obviously both can't be accepted names. Depends on what you follow.

If we follow GRIN Sterculia urens is correct name and Cavalama urens (Roxb.) Raf. a synonym

If we follow The Plant List Cavalama urens (Roxb.) Raf. is correct name and Sterculia urens the synonym (rather basionym)

regarding Cavalam Adans. I managed to download a paper but was not able to unzip it. If any member has software to unzip it please send me the unzipped file. I am sending zipped file.

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[H S]

so here what you follow sirji,, the plant list or GRIN...

[Dinesh Valke]

... here is the extracted text file (attached) ... but the line-breaks are weird, please bear.
Regards.
Dinesh

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[H S]

and one little correction... Rafins name is Kavalama and not Cavalama

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks H S for pointing out my having replaced  with K

Agreed nomenclature is always tricky but we try to follow whatever is latest. Ideal situation would be when we have a name agreed upon by GRIN, The Plant List and where applicable Sorting Plant names. In those cases where we find that there is no agreement in these databases, we try to find out what is the latest status check in GRIN, as we know The Plant List was published in 2010. In this case Sterculia urens was last updated by GRIN in 2006., so was Sorting Plant Names. 

    The Plant List was published in 2010, and would soon be revised. Agreed it has many shortcoming as of now, but we can follow it for taxa where these is no confusion. For taxa where there is some confusion, we discuss it in the group and then agree what mosty of us think correct. Luckily our group is not not fixed with any school of taxonomy, and as such most decisions are as per consensus. As an example Bombax ceiba is accepted name for Salmalia malabarica or Bombax malabaricum, agreed upon by all recent databases and publications, so we have to accept it as correct name although we may individually think differently. Similarly we may think our plant to be Nerium indicum as distinct species, but all recent databases and publications treat it as synonym of Nerium oleander L., and we have to follow it.

     The strength of our group is that we discuss all views but at the same time maintaining high level of cordiality. All of us give our opinion and not our decisions, and that keeps maintained the high level of interactions in the group. Fortunately all of us finally agree what most of think correct.

     All of us have been impressed by your great knowledge of the plants, especially from South-West India, and we have been greatly benefitted by your knowledge. My only request to you is that when you write anything that differs from previous persons in the thread, please back this up with some evidence. This will greatly increase our knowledge.

[Satish Phadke]

I had similar queries about nomencalature.

According to The plant list Kavalama urens is accepted name and Sterculia urens is synonym whereas in GRIN Sterculia urens is main name and Kavalama is not mentioned at all. Am I right?

Dr Phadke

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

Satish ji

I think I tried to explain that in my earlier mail:

" In those cases where we find that there is no agreement in these databases, we try to find out what is the latest status check in GRIN, as we know The Plant List was published in 2010. In this case Sterculia urens was last updated by GRIN in 2006., so was Sorting Plant Names"

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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[Mohan V. Chunkath]

Dear Dinesh ji,

Beautiful pics!

Regards,

Mohan

[Dinesh Valke]

Many many thanks Mohan ji.
Regards.
Dinesh