Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1

[Prashant awale]

Dear Friends,

Came across this herb at Kas, Satara (Maharashtra).
Date/Time: 25-06-2011/ 11:15AM

Bot. name: Zingiber neesanum

Family: Zingiberaceae

Regards
Prashant

[Narendra Joshi]

Dear Prashant Ji,

A wonderful catch! Thanks for sharing this.

Narendra Joshi

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With Regards,
Narendra Joshi

[Smilax004]

Are you sure about the id Z. neesanum?

Regards
Giby

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[Dinesh Valke]

Giby ji ... my belief same as Prashant's ... me too have spotted this plant at various places around Pune and Satara at high altitudes.
Here is another view captured by me, of the same particular plant of Prashant.



... and a link showing list of photos of this plant by everyone at flickr: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Zingiber%20neesanum



Please do let us know if this ID is far from Zingiber neesanum ... and thus what would (more likely) this plant be.


Regards.
Dinesh

[manudev madhavan]

Dear all,

Am not much sure about the identity of the plant in the picture.

But am sure its not Zingiber neesanum...!!!

Usually Z. neesanum has slender spikes with brown, reddish- green bracts. Also the flowers are white in colour with purple or pink spotted or striped labellum. I have some images with me, but misplaced some where. I shall upload the pictures later.

Anyway... when I searched through google, the plant similar to the above image appeared...!!!

So I had to refer the book "Zingiberaceae & Costaceae of South India" authored by Dr. Sabu ( University of Calicut) to confirm my observations....!!!

Inviting expert comments...!!! 

regards

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Manudev K Madhavan

Junior Research Fellow

Systematic & Floristic Lab,

Department of Botany, 
Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research 
St. Joseph's College, Devagiri
Kozhikode- 673 008
Mob: 9496470738

[Prabhu kumar KM]

Dear Prasant awale....

It is not Z. neesanum
It is a new species (Or new genus - i want confirmation from my friend).



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Prabhu Kumar K M
Research Scholar
Department of Botany
Bharathiar University
Tamil Nadu

[Bhatt Sweta]

Even i am a little confused over it...
I am sending the one i found at Kaas...

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Bhatt Shweta

Doctoral Research Student,

M.S.U.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Are you sure about the id Z. neesanum?

Regards
Giby”              

                

“Giby ji ... my belief same as Prashant's ... me too have spotted this plant at various places around Pune and Satara at high altitudes.

Here is another view captured by me, of the same particular plant of Prashant

.... and a link showing list of photos of this plant by everyone at flickr: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Zingiber%20neesanum

Please do let us know if this ID is far from Zingiber neesanum ... and thus what would (more likely) this plant be.

Regards.
Dinesh”

 

“Am not much sure about the identity of the plant in the picture.

But am sure its not Zingiber neesanum...!!!
Usually Z. neesanum has slender spikes with brown, reddish- green bracts. Also the flowers are white in colour with purple or pink spotted or striped labellum. I have some images with me, but misplaced some where. I shall upload the pictures later.

Anyway... when I searched through google, the plant similar to the above image appeared...!!!
So I had to refer the book "Zingiberaceae & Costaceae of South India" authored by Dr. Sabu ( University of Calicut) to confirm my observations....!!!
Inviting expert comments...!!!

regards--

Manudev K Madhavan”

"It is not Z. neesanum
It is a new species (Or new genus - i want confirmation from my friend).--
Prabhu Kumar K M"

"Even i am a little confused over it...
I am sending the one i found at Kaas...

--

Bhatt Shweta"

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[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"This is one of the most confusing gingers of India. I have been looking for the type and protologue but the type is missing and the protologue is insufficient for confirmation. But tentatively now placed in Z. neesanum however further studies are essential. Recently this is published as Z. divakanii from Pune. I will sent a pdf version of the paper later.
Regards
Sabu

Thanks for reading this mail.
With best regards
Dr.M.Sabu
Professor
Taxonomy and Floristics Division
Department of Botany
Calicut University
Kerala 673635, India."

 

Thanks a lot, Dr. Sabu.

[Prashant Awale]

Dear Friends,
"Plant Discoveries 2011 by BSI" has mentioned about Zingiber diwakarianum R Kr Singh.

Dr M. Sabu ji in his reply has mentioned that this is published as Z. diwakarnii from Pune. It will be really interesting to see this paper and see if the plant posted by me earlier from Kas and similar plants seen in Mahabaleshwar and other regions of Sahyadri are Z. diwakarianum.

Regards
Prashant

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for any further feedback in the matter please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

“Are you sure about the id Z. neesanum?

Regards
Giby”

 

“Giby ji ... my belief same as Prashant's ... me too have spotted this plant at various places around Pune and Satara at high altitudes.

Here is another view captured by me, of the same particular plant of Prashant.” from Dinesh ji.

 

“Am not much sure about the identity of the plant in the picture.

But am sure its not Zingiber neesanum...!!!

Usually Z. neesanum has slender spikes with brown, reddish- green bracts. Also the flowers are white in colour with purple or pink spotted or striped labellum. I have some images with me, but misplaced some where. I shall upload the pictures later.

Anyway... when I searched through google, the plant similar to the above image appeared...!!!

So I had to refer the book "Zingiberaceae & Costaceae of South India" authored by Dr. Sabu ( University of Calicut) to confirm my observations....!!!” from Manudev ji.

 

"It is not Z. neesanum

It is a new species (Or new genus - i want confirmation from my friend)." from Prabhu Kumar ji.

"This is one of the most confusing gingers of India. I have been looking for the type and protologue but the type is missing and the protologue is insufficient for confirmation. But tentatively now placed in Z. neesanum however further studies are essential. Recently this is published as Z. divakanii from Pune. I will sent a pdf version of the paper later.
Regards
Sabu"

"Plant Discoveries 2011 by BSI" has mentioned about Zingiber diwakarianum R Kr Singh.

Dr M. Sabu ji in his reply has mentioned that this is published as Z. diwakarnii from Pune. It will be really interesting to see this paper and see if the plant posted by me earlier from Kas and similar plants seen in Mahabaleshwar and other regions of Sahyadri are Z. diwakarianum." from Prashant ji.

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From: Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com>
Date: 26 June 2011 13:35
Subject: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

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'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1870 members & 1,18,000 messages on 31/5/12) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of more than 6500 species).

[manudev madhavan]

Can anybody please share the paper...?

--

Manudev K Madhavan

Junior Research Fellow

Plant Systematic & Floristics Lab,

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again forany further feedback in the matter please.
Some earlierrelevant feedback:      

“Are you sure about the id Z. neesanum?

Regards
Giby”

“Giby ji ... my belief same as Prashant's ... me too have spotted this plant at various places around Pune and Satara at high altitudes.Here is another view captured by me, of the same particular plant of Prashant.” from Dinesh ji. 

“Am not much sure about the identity of the plant in the picture.

But am sure its not Zingiber neesanum...!!!

Usually Z. neesanum has slender spikes with brown, reddish- green bracts. Also the flowers are white in colour with purple or pink spotted or striped labellum. I have some images with me, but misplaced some where. I shall upload the pictures later.

Anyway... when I searched through google, the plant similar to the above image appeared...!!!

So I had to refer the book "Zingiberaceae & Costaceae of South India" authored by Dr. Sabu ( University of Calicut) to confirm my observations....!!!” from Manudev ji.

 
"It is not Z. neesanum

It is a new species (Or new genus - i want confirmation from my friend)." from Prabhu Kumar ji.

"This is one of the most confusing gingers of India. I have been looking for the type and protologue but the type is missing and the protologue is insufficient for confirmation. But tentatively now placed in Z. neesanum however further studies are essential. Recently this is published as Z. divakanii from Pune. I will sent a pdf version of the paper later.
Regards
Sabu"

"Plant Discoveries 2011 by BSI" has mentioned about Zingiber diwakarianum R Kr Singh.
Dr M. Sabu ji in his reply has mentioned that this is published as Z. diwakarnii from Pune. It will be really interesting to see this paper and see if the plant posted by me earlier from Kas and similar plants seen in Mahabaleshwar and other regions of Sahyadri are Z. diwakarianum." from Prashant ji.

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From: Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com>
Date: 26 June 2011 13:35
Subject: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[J.M. Garg]

I think this will be Zingiber diwakarianum as per images and details herein

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Sabu ji.

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From: Mamiyil Sabu
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 20:56
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Z. divakarianum

Thanking you,

Sincerely yours,

M. Sabu Ph. D., FNA, FASc.

CSIR-Emeritus Scientist, Malabar Botanical Garden & IPS

Calicut, 673014.
Formerly Professor & Head
Department of Botany
University of Calicut
Kerala, 673 635, India
Phone: 91--4952431545
Mobile: 91- 09447636333
Website: www.gingersofindia.com
https://botany.uoc.ac.in/index.php/sunojkumar?id=58

Google scholar:https://scholar.google.co.in/citations?user=BkXpK9IAAAAJ&hl=en

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Manudev ji.

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From: manudev madhavan
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 13:17
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

According to the current circumscription of the names mentioned above, this plant represents  Zingiber diwakarianum R Kr Singh.

As Dr. Sabu mentioned, there's confusion over the identity of Z. diwakarianum and Z. neesanum. However, it's difficult to come to a conclusion right now with the scanty protologue and absence of type specimens.

regards

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Dr. Manudev K.M.

Assistant Professor,

Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research Department of Botany, 

St. Joseph's College (Autonomous), Devagiri,

Medical College P.O., Kozhikode District, Kerala- 673 008

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

I think Zingiber neesanum as per What is Zingiber neesanum anyways? and Correcting page Zingiber diwakarianum R.Kr.Singh name to Zingiber neesanum (J.Graham) Ramamoorthy and transferring images of Z. neesanum page to Zingiber anamalayanum Sujanapal and Sasidh.

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From: Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 at 13:35
Subject: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Dinesh Valke]

Yes to me, Garg ji.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Manudev ji.

Garg ji, please share the document.

Regards.

Dinesh

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From: manudev madhavan <manudevk...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>

Gargji,

I am surprised to know that the name Zingiber anamalayanum Sujanapal & Sasidh. is used to represent all the white flowering populations.

I had the opportunity to illustrate Z. anamalayanum for its publication and have seen quite a number of populations of "neesanum" in South India. Z. anamalayanum is a huge plant with several morphological differences from other white-flowered populations which were conventionally called Z. neesanum. Anyway, am yet to read the recent 'Taxon' paper that unravels this mystery. Requesting the authors to share the PDF if possible. I'm excited to learn more about this century-old taxonomic problem.

regards

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Dr. Manudev K.M.

Assistant Professor,

Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research Department of Botany, 

St. Joseph's College (Autonomous), Devagiri,

Medical College P.O., Kozhikode District, Kerala- 673 008

Mob: 9496470738

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Manudev ji,
Pl. ask Rushabh ji, marked in cc, to send a readable copy to you personally.

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With regards,
J. M. Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Sabu ji

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From: Mamiyil Sabu 
Date: Fri, 24 Sept 2021 at 19:27
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:72606] Zingiber Neesanum - 260611-PKA1
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Zingiber neesanum

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With regards,
J.M.Garg