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fabzorba
Oct 22, 2012, 10:21:54 PM10/22/12
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In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
[Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
and sock puppets.
I trust that I am not misrepresenting her charges, which she has made
many times before, without ever providing an ounce of evidence. And,
as per usual, she does not mention me by name (Myles) nor by nom -de-
guerre (Fabzorba) and never will.
Having read her venomous barb, all my natural vigor departed this
coil, and I repaired my bed, so as to thither presently repair, and
thereafter did I dream the most curious dream, of which I now tell…
(Cue: plangent orchestral music in a minor key, signifying deep
mysteries will be discovered, and fade in to Laura waking in an
enormous four-poster bed as the rain beats on the window panes of her
opulent bedroom).
She has a yen for a couple of things - the nature of the first she
cannot quite discern (but concerning that more in the nonce), and the
second is the vastly more familiar sense of being "peckish", and in
need of a "snack", though she would designate such invariably as a
"nibble".
It is two o'clock in the morn, and she tiptoes down the winding
stairway in her nightie to the kitchen and its enormous fridge.
Opening it, she removes some comestibles: half a dozen pork pies based
on Lincolnshire pork, Beluga caviar, goose foie gras with truffles and
a side of wild Scottish smoked salmon, a tin of Beluga caviar, a whole
Brie with truffles, a couple of loaves of organic sourdough bread, a
variety of condiments to go with the preceding, brandy-steeped
cherries covered with dark chocolate, a pound or so of rich pudding to
dip these into, and a couple of bottles of an exceptionally fine
sauterne buried in the crushed ice of an ornamental wine bucket.
Hauling the skip bin containing this "nibble", she decides that it
would be awkward to wrestle the lot upstairs, and she will instead
take the goods lift which leads directly to her bedroom. But she must
now move through the music room, the outer parlour, and thence to the
drawing room to reach it. As she traverses these rooms, with skip bin
in tow, she hears a soft snoring sound, and there, in the corner,
sleeping under a hessian bag in a cage, in a obscure dark corner,
sprawls the wretched figure of Fabzorba. Here is the indoor Coventry
where he must spend his time, in a barred cell for lepers, excoriated
by all, shunned by all, the frouper who has "let the side down".
Laura wrinkles her nose, and now recognition of what it is that she
was missing comes to her. For you see, she has so many chums, and her
life is such a pleasant communion with all those terribly lovely chums
and their mummsies, an endless daisy chain of delightful and charming
days, with the summer garden parties, and the debutante's balls, and
the opera seasons, and the Grand Tours to see the colourful dagos, and
whatnot, so awfully awfully sweet that sometimes she would just like
to have a good kick and a foul word against something or someone, but
how, how, how can she?
She cannot say a word to insult the buck teeth of those she knows, the
ones where the owner could eat an apple through a tennis racquet, nor
the mottled skin of others, heavy with scales, nor the creepy
sexuality of the knock-kneed and pigeon toed, nor the asinine gigglers
with their synthetic smiles, nor the absence of chins, nor those as
presumptuous as they are the air-headed, nor those like Athel who are
hunched of back - oh no, these are the "right people", "our sort of
people", beyond reproach, absolutely top drawer. So what can she do?
Precisely this…
Removing the wine from the bucket, she hurls the ice over the sleeping
form of the contemptible Fabzorba. Then she swings the bucket at full
velocity, striking the cells of the cage again and again in a violent
and clamorous uproar beyond all comparison. Fabzorba's body jolts into
consciousness and jerks a full six inches into the air.
"This is WHY I don't kill-file you..you…odious Australian oaf!!!
Because I need someone to do THIS to!!!!", and she slams the bars
again. Fabzorba's ears ring as a sound akin to a chandelier being
dropped down a 50-storey air-conditioning duct assails them without
respite. She continues to shriek like a demented macaw: "Take THIS!!!
And THIS, you…you…lower class troll!!! You…you….Australian sock
puppet!!! You…graduate of RED BRICK!!!"
And so it goes. The camera slowly pulls back to provide us with a
final tableau signifying the complete meaning of what is transpiring.
Fabzorba blinks and winces and whimpers helplessly as he holds his
ears, his tormentor continues to swing the now misshapen bucket at the
bars, music slowly wells up over the cacophony of what sounds very
much like a zoo burning down….and…fadeout….roll credits.
Fabzorba, the general dogs body, the one who the reviled may revile,
the gofer who no one went for or sent for, the scapeboy and whipping
goat, the Dreyfus who will never be exonerated, the clown who cried
in the bowling alley. It was ever thus, but will it perforce ever be
so?
The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
[Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
and sock puppets.
I trust that I am not misrepresenting her charges, which she has made
many times before, without ever providing an ounce of evidence. And,
as per usual, she does not mention me by name (Myles) nor by nom -de-
guerre (Fabzorba) and never will.
Having read her venomous barb, all my natural vigor departed this
coil, and I repaired my bed, so as to thither presently repair, and
thereafter did I dream the most curious dream, of which I now tell…
(Cue: plangent orchestral music in a minor key, signifying deep
mysteries will be discovered, and fade in to Laura waking in an
enormous four-poster bed as the rain beats on the window panes of her
opulent bedroom).
She has a yen for a couple of things - the nature of the first she
cannot quite discern (but concerning that more in the nonce), and the
second is the vastly more familiar sense of being "peckish", and in
need of a "snack", though she would designate such invariably as a
"nibble".
It is two o'clock in the morn, and she tiptoes down the winding
stairway in her nightie to the kitchen and its enormous fridge.
Opening it, she removes some comestibles: half a dozen pork pies based
on Lincolnshire pork, Beluga caviar, goose foie gras with truffles and
a side of wild Scottish smoked salmon, a tin of Beluga caviar, a whole
Brie with truffles, a couple of loaves of organic sourdough bread, a
variety of condiments to go with the preceding, brandy-steeped
cherries covered with dark chocolate, a pound or so of rich pudding to
dip these into, and a couple of bottles of an exceptionally fine
sauterne buried in the crushed ice of an ornamental wine bucket.
Hauling the skip bin containing this "nibble", she decides that it
would be awkward to wrestle the lot upstairs, and she will instead
take the goods lift which leads directly to her bedroom. But she must
now move through the music room, the outer parlour, and thence to the
drawing room to reach it. As she traverses these rooms, with skip bin
in tow, she hears a soft snoring sound, and there, in the corner,
sleeping under a hessian bag in a cage, in a obscure dark corner,
sprawls the wretched figure of Fabzorba. Here is the indoor Coventry
where he must spend his time, in a barred cell for lepers, excoriated
by all, shunned by all, the frouper who has "let the side down".
Laura wrinkles her nose, and now recognition of what it is that she
was missing comes to her. For you see, she has so many chums, and her
life is such a pleasant communion with all those terribly lovely chums
and their mummsies, an endless daisy chain of delightful and charming
days, with the summer garden parties, and the debutante's balls, and
the opera seasons, and the Grand Tours to see the colourful dagos, and
whatnot, so awfully awfully sweet that sometimes she would just like
to have a good kick and a foul word against something or someone, but
how, how, how can she?
She cannot say a word to insult the buck teeth of those she knows, the
ones where the owner could eat an apple through a tennis racquet, nor
the mottled skin of others, heavy with scales, nor the creepy
sexuality of the knock-kneed and pigeon toed, nor the asinine gigglers
with their synthetic smiles, nor the absence of chins, nor those as
presumptuous as they are the air-headed, nor those like Athel who are
hunched of back - oh no, these are the "right people", "our sort of
people", beyond reproach, absolutely top drawer. So what can she do?
Precisely this…
Removing the wine from the bucket, she hurls the ice over the sleeping
form of the contemptible Fabzorba. Then she swings the bucket at full
velocity, striking the cells of the cage again and again in a violent
and clamorous uproar beyond all comparison. Fabzorba's body jolts into
consciousness and jerks a full six inches into the air.
"This is WHY I don't kill-file you..you…odious Australian oaf!!!
Because I need someone to do THIS to!!!!", and she slams the bars
again. Fabzorba's ears ring as a sound akin to a chandelier being
dropped down a 50-storey air-conditioning duct assails them without
respite. She continues to shriek like a demented macaw: "Take THIS!!!
And THIS, you…you…lower class troll!!! You…you….Australian sock
puppet!!! You…graduate of RED BRICK!!!"
And so it goes. The camera slowly pulls back to provide us with a
final tableau signifying the complete meaning of what is transpiring.
Fabzorba blinks and winces and whimpers helplessly as he holds his
ears, his tormentor continues to swing the now misshapen bucket at the
bars, music slowly wells up over the cacophony of what sounds very
much like a zoo burning down….and…fadeout….roll credits.
Fabzorba, the general dogs body, the one who the reviled may revile,
the gofer who no one went for or sent for, the scapeboy and whipping
goat, the Dreyfus who will never be exonerated, the clown who cried
in the bowling alley. It was ever thus, but will it perforce ever be
so?
The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
Guy Barry
Oct 23, 2012, 4:17:51 AM10/23/12
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"fabzorba" wrote in message
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> In
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
keyword in the subject line of your tedious rants so that I can ignore them?
--
Guy Barry
CDB
Oct 23, 2012, 9:24:46 AM10/23/12
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On 22/10/2012 10:21 PM, fabzorba wrote:
> In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> [Be afraid, be very afraid]�[for]� [Australian lout]�[(common
> In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> tautology - ed.)]�[so-called "Fabzorba"]�[is one of THOSE ]� trolls
> and sock puppets.
[quite enough silliness -- ed.]
> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Cheer up, Myles. At least you're still the star of the show.
Whiskers
Oct 23, 2012, 5:44:46 AM10/23/12
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On 2012-10-23, fabzorba <myles....@gmail.com> wrote:
> In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> [Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
> tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
> and sock puppets.
>
> I trust that I am not misrepresenting her charges, which she has made
> many times before, without ever providing an ounce of evidence. And,
> as per usual, she does not mention me by name (Myles) nor by nom -de-
> guerre (Fabzorba) and never will.
>
> Having read her venomous barb, all my natural vigor departed this
> coil, and I repaired my bed, so as to thither presently repair, and
> thereafter did I dream the most curious dream, of which I now tell…
[...]
> In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> [Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
> tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
> and sock puppets.
>
> I trust that I am not misrepresenting her charges, which she has made
> many times before, without ever providing an ounce of evidence. And,
> as per usual, she does not mention me by name (Myles) nor by nom -de-
> guerre (Fabzorba) and never will.
>
> Having read her venomous barb, all my natural vigor departed this
> coil, and I repaired my bed, so as to thither presently repair, and
> thereafter did I dream the most curious dream, of which I now tell…
> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Harrison Hill
Oct 23, 2012, 3:20:55 PM10/23/12
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On Oct 23, 10:44 am, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-23, fabzorba <myles.abzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/threa...,
"Rid yourself of your arrogance and your lustfulness, your
ingratiating manners and your excessive ambition. These are all
detrimental to your person."
> On 2012-10-23, fabzorba <myles.abzo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/threa...,
> > an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
> > inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> > accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> > [Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
> > tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
> > and sock puppets.
>
> > I trust that I am not misrepresenting her charges, which she has made
> > many times before, without ever providing an ounce of evidence. And,
> > as per usual, she does not mention me by name (Myles) nor by nom -de-
> > guerre (Fabzorba) and never will.
>
> > Having read her venomous barb, all my natural vigor departed this
> > coil, and I repaired my bed, so as to thither presently repair, and
> > thereafter did I dream the most curious dream, of which I now tell…
>
> [...]
>
> > The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> > he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> > files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> > has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> > Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
It is said (by who to whom):
> > inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
> > accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> > [Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
> > tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
> > and sock puppets.
>
> > I trust that I am not misrepresenting her charges, which she has made
> > many times before, without ever providing an ounce of evidence. And,
> > as per usual, she does not mention me by name (Myles) nor by nom -de-
> > guerre (Fabzorba) and never will.
>
> > Having read her venomous barb, all my natural vigor departed this
> > coil, and I repaired my bed, so as to thither presently repair, and
> > thereafter did I dream the most curious dream, of which I now tell…
>
> [...]
>
> > The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> > he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> > files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> > has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> > Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
"Rid yourself of your arrogance and your lustfulness, your
ingratiating manners and your excessive ambition. These are all
detrimental to your person."
Skitt
Oct 23, 2012, 3:27:41 PM10/23/12
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Harrison Hill wrote:
> "Rid yourself of your arrogance and your lustfulness, your
> ingratiating manners and your excessive ambition. These are all
> detrimental to your person."
>
--
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt
>> fabzorba wrote:
>>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
>>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
>>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
>>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>>
>>> Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
>
> It is said (by who to whom):
(by whom to whom)
>>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
>>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
>>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
>>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>>
>>> Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
>
> It is said (by who to whom):
> "Rid yourself of your arrogance and your lustfulness, your
> ingratiating manners and your excessive ambition. These are all
> detrimental to your person."
>
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt
Harrison Hill
Oct 23, 2012, 3:50:51 PM10/23/12
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On Oct 23, 8:27 pm, Skitt <skit...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Harrison Hill wrote:
> >> fabzorba wrote:
> >>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> >>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> >>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> >>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> >>> Myles [dot dot dot ] Paulsen
>
> > It is said (by who to whom):
>
> (by whom to whom)
No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> Harrison Hill wrote:
> >> fabzorba wrote:
> >>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> >>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> >>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> >>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> >>> Myles [dot dot dot ] Paulsen
>
> > It is said (by who to whom):
>
> (by whom to whom)
objects?
There is a Chaucer quote which says (in ME) "Anyone who speaks when no
one is listening might as well save their breath", which I would like
to convey to Myles if I could only find it.
Lanarcam
Oct 23, 2012, 4:00:19 PM10/23/12
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Le 23/10/2012 21:50, Harrison Hill a �crit :
You have forgotten your dative.
"The request for counterpart information in the
financial accounts, which shows the relationships
from 'whom-to-whom' between sectors, is an important
tool for monetary policy analysis.
erstellende Angaben �ber die Partnersektoren,
die Aufschluss geben �ber die Beziehungen zwischen
den Sektoren (von wem zu wem), sind ein wichtiges
Instrument f�r geldpolitische Analysen. "
eur-lex.europa.eu
"The request for counterpart information in the
financial accounts, which shows the relationships
from 'whom-to-whom' between sectors, is an important
tool for monetary policy analysis.
erstellende Angaben �ber die Partnersektoren,
die Aufschluss geben �ber die Beziehungen zwischen
den Sektoren (von wem zu wem), sind ein wichtiges
Instrument f�r geldpolitische Analysen. "
eur-lex.europa.eu
Skitt
Oct 23, 2012, 4:12:08 PM10/23/12
to
Harrison Hill wrote:
> Skitt wrote:
sentence). Your phrase is comparable to "by I to him", and that is
obviously wrong. I has to be comparable to "by me to him".
By the way, you have a couple of commas missing in your above response.
> Skitt wrote:
>> Harrison Hill wrote:
>>
>>> It is said (by who to whom):
>>
>> (by whom to whom)
>
> No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> objects?
Right, there is no subject in your phrase (the phrase is not a
>>
>>> It is said (by who to whom):
>>
>> (by whom to whom)
>
> No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> objects?
sentence). Your phrase is comparable to "by I to him", and that is
obviously wrong. I has to be comparable to "by me to him".
By the way, you have a couple of commas missing in your above response.
Harrison Hill
Oct 23, 2012, 4:33:19 PM10/23/12
to
On Oct 23, 9:00 pm, Lanarcam <lanarc...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-dative-case/
> Le 23/10/2012 21:50, Harrison Hill a écrit :
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 8:27 pm, Skitt <skit...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Harrison Hill wrote:
> >>>> fabzorba wrote:
> >>>>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> >>>>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> >>>>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> >>>>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> >>>>> Myles [dot dot dot ] Paulsen
>
> >>> It is said (by who to whom):
>
> >> (by whom to whom)
>
> > No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> > objects?
>
> > There is a Chaucer quote which says (in ME) "Anyone who speaks when no
> > one is listening might as well save their breath", which I would like
> > to convey to Myles if I could only find it.
>
> You have forgotten your dative.
Okay, educate me;
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 8:27 pm, Skitt <skit...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Harrison Hill wrote:
> >>>> fabzorba wrote:
> >>>>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
> >>>>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
> >>>>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
> >>>>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
> >>>>> Myles [dot dot dot ] Paulsen
>
> >>> It is said (by who to whom):
>
> >> (by whom to whom)
>
> > No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> > objects?
>
> > There is a Chaucer quote which says (in ME) "Anyone who speaks when no
> > one is listening might as well save their breath", which I would like
> > to convey to Myles if I could only find it.
>
> You have forgotten your dative.
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-dative-case/
James Hogg
Oct 23, 2012, 4:44:00 PM10/23/12
to
Harrison Hill wrote:
> On Oct 23, 8:27 pm, Skitt <skit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Harrison Hill wrote:
>>>> fabzorba wrote:
>>>>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
>>>>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
>>>>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
>>>>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>>>>> Myles [dot dot dot ] Paulsen
>>> It is said (by who to whom):
>> (by whom to whom)
>
> No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> objects?
So you would say: "Skitt said it. It was said by he."
> On Oct 23, 8:27 pm, Skitt <skit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Harrison Hill wrote:
>>>> fabzorba wrote:
>>>>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
>>>>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
>>>>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
>>>>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>>>>> Myles [dot dot dot ] Paulsen
>>> It is said (by who to whom):
>> (by whom to whom)
>
> No I cannot believe that! The subject has disappeared and we have two
> objects?
Subject becomes agent in passive sentences.
--
James
Lanarcam
Oct 23, 2012, 4:48:44 PM10/23/12
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Le 23/10/2012 22:33, Harrison Hill a �crit :
It won't be done by me to you;)
> On Oct 23, 9:00 pm, Lanarcam <lanarc...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> Le 23/10/2012 21:50, Harrison Hill a �crit :
Whiskers
Oct 23, 2012, 5:18:03 PM10/23/12
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On 2012-10-23, Skitt <ski...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Harrison Hill wrote:
[...]
>> It is said (by who to whom):
>
> (by whom to whom)
>
>> "Rid yourself of your arrogance and your lustfulness, your
>> ingratiating manners and your excessive ambition. These are all
>> detrimental to your person."
Or more colloquially, "Who said this to whom?"
> Harrison Hill wrote:
[...]
>> It is said (by who to whom):
>
> (by whom to whom)
>
>> "Rid yourself of your arrogance and your lustfulness, your
>> ingratiating manners and your excessive ambition. These are all
>> detrimental to your person."
Whiskers
Oct 23, 2012, 5:20:16 PM10/23/12
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On 2012-10-23, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22/10/2012 10:21 PM, fabzorba wrote:
>
>> In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
>> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
>> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
>> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
> On 22/10/2012 10:21 PM, fabzorba wrote:
>
>> In https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b1ad648449d6fb90?hl=en-GB,
>> an admittedly whimsical discussion on some queries by the
>> inexhaustible Marius Hancu on this froup elicited the following
>> accusation from Laura (LFS) against me:
>> [Be afraid, be very afraid]…[for]… [Australian lout]…[(common
>> tautology - ed.)]…[so-called "Fabzorba"]…[is one of THOSE ]… trolls
>> and sock puppets.
>
> [quite enough silliness -- ed.]
>
>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
>> Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
>
> [quite enough silliness -- ed.]
>
>> The good news, you may agree, is that Fabzorba has learnt again that
>> he is the lowest of the low, worthy only of inclusion on more kill
>> files. The bad news is that all that physical effort on Laura's part
>> has honed her appetite even further. Be afraid, be very afraid.
>
>
> Cheer up, Myles. At least you're still the star of the show.
But is it cage fighting or cage dancing?
> Cheer up, Myles. At least you're still the star of the show.
fabzorba
Oct 23, 2012, 11:31:19 PM10/23/12
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>
Well -
"arrogance", yes I can see how someone might descry something of that
sort on some occasions in my posts,
"excessive ambition" - if hoping to be on a few less kill files, then
yes, maybe that is excessive
"lustfulness" - My salad days are mostly behind me, but I suppose that
every now and again, I've had a sinful thought, and I am grateful that
Harrison has pointed it out, though I might think that this is the
kettle calling the pot black
But, "ingratiating manners"?!!! I am totally flabbergasted! I would
have thought that having any kind of manners at all, let alone
"ingratiating" ones would be the last charge to be levelled at me in
this froup. Perhaps you could tell me who I have ingratiated myself
with?
Unlike others around here, I have not got my tongue down the back of
these Pommy bastards' trousers. And you and I seem to be about the
only ones, which is why the charge of me and you being sock puppets
has been so frequently raised....
fabzorba
Oct 23, 2012, 11:43:22 PM10/23/12
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it ever so much more likely that I would take stock of it.
And as for no one listening, let me point out a small logical problem
with what you just asserted. YOU were listening, and you replied. End
of story.
Do not Harrison, be like the critics who demand the artist of great
tableaux learn how to carve cherry stones, and vice versa. I cannot
and will not spend my days unsplitting infinitives. I can only do what
I am good at, and I can see that though this be of so little value
compared to what the estimable Marius Hancu is doing, then so be it.
It's a small thing, but my own.
And in any case, you did NOT pay $150 a double to attend my prose
readings. I am constantly being told to ignore posts which I find
boring and stupid. Let that recommendation be adopted by those who
find my musings of less relevance than yet another "who vs whom"
debate.
And let us remember, the words I write here, need not be restricted to
this froup. What if I told you that I practice my prose here, and
later PUBLISH much of it elsewhere? Nothing goes to waste.
fabzorba
Oct 23, 2012, 11:48:20 PM10/23/12
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On Oct 23, 7:17 pm, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Myles, do you think you could follow Marius's example and put a special
> keyword in the subject line of your tedious rants so that I can ignore them?
Done! Of course, I first have to judge that one of the epistles I
>
> Myles, do you think you could follow Marius's example and put a special
> keyword in the subject line of your tedious rants so that I can ignore them?
bequeath you all, is "tedious" and a "rant", but having determined
that it is indeed one or the other, or both, then I will signpost it
exactly as you requested.
myles [trying to be helpful...] paulsen
Harrison Hill
Oct 24, 2012, 2:36:09 AM10/24/12
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mean by "agent". Your mean "representative" of the object?
James Hogg
Oct 24, 2012, 2:57:39 AM10/24/12
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action, even when it is expressed in the passive voice.
--
James
Guy Barry
Oct 24, 2012, 5:00:46 AM10/24/12
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"fabzorba" wrote in message
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you had to repost it twice, especially since you'd already given a link to
it in a previous post, but then I have very little idea of your motivation
for posting anything to this group, especially since you seem convinced that
so many of the regular posters despise you (including the mysterious Tony
Poole). Why don't you just go somewhere else if you don't like it here?
--
Guy Barry
Guy Barry
Oct 24, 2012, 5:08:24 AM10/24/12
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"Harrison Hill" wrote in message
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verb - i.e. the person who performed the action in the verb (in this case
saying something). The passive in English is marked by the preposition
"by".
--
Guy Barry
MC
Oct 24, 2012, 5:42:24 AM10/24/12
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In article <aeOhs.71638$9W6....@fx08.am4>,
Don't you mean "passive voice"?
--
"If you can, tell me something happy."
- Marybones
--
"If you can, tell me something happy."
- Marybones
Guy Barry
Oct 24, 2012, 6:05:25 AM10/24/12
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"MC" wrote in message
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omit "tense" and talk about "the present" or "the past". I think "the
passive" for "the passive voice" is well understood when grammar is being
discussed.
However, having re-read my post I now realize I didn't mean "passive" at
all. I meant to write "the agent in English is marked by the preposition
'by' ". So thanks for drawing my attention to the error, even if it was the
wrong error.
--
Guy Barry
Harrison Hill
Oct 24, 2012, 6:24:12 AM10/24/12
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On Oct 24, 11:05 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "MC" wrote in message
>
> news:copespaz-D0D018...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > In article <aeOhs.71638$9W6.14...@fx08.am4>,
> "MC" wrote in message
>
> news:copespaz-D0D018...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In "it was said by Skitt", "Skitt" is known as the agent of the passive
> > > verb - i.e. the person who performed the action in the verb (in this
> > > case
> > > saying something). The passive in English is marked by the preposition
> > > "by".
> > Don't you mean "passive voice"?
>
> It's quite normal to omit "voice" in such contexts, just as one tends to
> omit "tense" and talk about "the present" or "the past". I think "the
> passive" for "the passive voice" is well understood when grammar is being
> discussed.
>
> However, having re-read my post I now realize I didn't mean "passive" at
> all. I meant to write "the agent in English is marked by the preposition
> 'by' ". So thanks for drawing my attention to the error, even if it was the
> wrong error.
It is no wonder we cannot understand each other. James uses "agent" in
> > > In "it was said by Skitt", "Skitt" is known as the agent of the passive
> > > verb - i.e. the person who performed the action in the verb (in this
> > > case
> > > saying something). The passive in English is marked by the preposition
> > > "by".
> > Don't you mean "passive voice"?
>
> It's quite normal to omit "voice" in such contexts, just as one tends to
> omit "tense" and talk about "the present" or "the past". I think "the
> passive" for "the passive voice" is well understood when grammar is being
> discussed.
>
> However, having re-read my post I now realize I didn't mean "passive" at
> all. I meant to write "the agent in English is marked by the preposition
> 'by' ". So thanks for drawing my attention to the error, even if it was the
> wrong error.
its everyday sense of "principal", and your error is corrected because
an unrelated sentence cannot be understood :)
CDB
Oct 24, 2012, 7:13:03 AM10/24/12
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sometimes shadow-box (gangnam style); if no one does, he will throw his
own excrement.
I put this aside for further consideration because I thought it was
cruel, but then I saw his piece on Lawrence. Let the excruciation proceed.
fabzorba
Oct 24, 2012, 8:12:18 PM10/24/12
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On Oct 23, 8:44 pm, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
> > Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
>
> So unlike the pithy barbs of our own dear Noël Coward.
Won't you pay "scapeboy and whipping goat"? Noel would get down on all
>
> > Myles [dot dot dot…] Paulsen
>
> So unlike the pithy barbs of our own dear Noël Coward.
fours and wave hundred pound notes for the rights to that bon mot. And
I'd just spit in his face...
So of course, he'd give me the money and make another appointment
Myles [I loving you long time...] paulsen
fabzorba
Oct 24, 2012, 8:23:17 PM10/24/12
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On Oct 24, 8:00 pm, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Ah! I should have noticed - it was "Lawrence", wasn't it? I don't know why
> you had to repost it twice, especially since you'd already given a link to
> it in a previous post, but then I have very little idea of your motivation
> for posting anything to this group, especially since you seem convinced that
> so many of the regular posters despise you (including the mysterious Tony
> Poole). Why don't you just go somewhere else if you don't like it here?
>
Ahh, Guy, pour yourself a stiff drink and sit down, while I break this
> Ah! I should have noticed - it was "Lawrence", wasn't it? I don't know why
> you had to repost it twice, especially since you'd already given a link to
> it in a previous post, but then I have very little idea of your motivation
> for posting anything to this group, especially since you seem convinced that
> so many of the regular posters despise you (including the mysterious Tony
> Poole). Why don't you just go somewhere else if you don't like it here?
>
gently. I reposted my piece ONCE. The initial posting was NOT a
repost, it was a post. So the second time it appeared, it was a
repost.
Sit still while Unky Fabzorba explains it to you. It is the same for
the more generally used word: "repeat". Suppose you say something for
the first time, like "I've just fallen over and broken my pyjamas".
Now, if you say this again, and I am sure you will have due cause,
then you will have repeated yourself, but only once, not twice.
It's the sort of gaffe that does NOT go down all that well in this
hallowed arcade of punctiliousness. I don't mind so much, you
understand, but there might be some tittering behind hands on behalf
of some of the less charitable.
myles [next time I visit here, we'll do some revision, OK?] paulsen
fabzorba
Oct 24, 2012, 8:26:50 PM10/24/12
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On Oct 24, 10:13 pm, CDB <bellemar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cage-rattling, when he gets lonely. If anyone looks up, he will
> sometimes shadow-box (gangnam style); if no one does, he will throw his
> own excrement.
>
> I put this aside for further consideration because I thought it was
> cruel, but then I saw his piece on Lawrence. Let the excruciation proceed.- >
> Cage-rattling, when he gets lonely. If anyone looks up, he will
> sometimes shadow-box (gangnam style); if no one does, he will throw his
> own excrement.
>
> I put this aside for further consideration because I thought it was
What a pity. I'm just such a big fan of your scintillating oeuvre.
myles [and I've always considered throwing excrement a first line of
defence, not a last resort....] paulsen
R H Draney
Oct 24, 2012, 9:22:09 PM10/24/12
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fabzorba filted:
the comic-book genre....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
>
>Won't you pay "scapeboy and whipping goat"? Noel would get down on all
>fours and wave hundred pound notes for the rights to that bon mot. And
>I'd just spit in his face...
I'd like to see those as the names of a superhero and sidekick in a parody of
>Won't you pay "scapeboy and whipping goat"? Noel would get down on all
>fours and wave hundred pound notes for the rights to that bon mot. And
>I'd just spit in his face...
the comic-book genre....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Guy Barry
Oct 25, 2012, 3:16:09 AM10/25/12
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"fabzorba" wrote in message
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> Ahh, Guy, pour yourself a stiff drink and sit down, while I break this
> gently. I reposted my piece ONCE. The initial posting was NOT a
> repost, it was a post.
archive now, but the thread still bears that title:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/b03a4f56a8de840b/
It was a repost of an article you'd posted in 2010, which you'd already
given a link to in any case.
> So the second time it appeared, it was a repost.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/msg/d17561ba79031412
I presume you did that so that you could add the all-important extra "h" to
the subject line, since I can't otherwise see any difference between the
two.
--
Guy Barry
Whiskers
Oct 25, 2012, 3:25:50 PM10/25/12
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Sweet Charity. (Being skint just for now, paying anyone is rather beyond
my means).
fabzorba
Oct 26, 2012, 9:55:01 PM10/26/12
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On Oct 25, 6:16 pm, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "fabzorba" wrote in message
>
> news:32109960-2ecc-4ba3...@tr7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Ahh, Guy, pour yourself a stiff drink and sit down, while I break this
> > gently. I reposted my piece ONCE. The initial posting was NOT a
> > repost, it was a post.
>
> So why did you label it "repost" then? I see it's been deleted from the
> archive now, but the thread still bears that title:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread...
> "fabzorba" wrote in message
>
> news:32109960-2ecc-4ba3...@tr7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Ahh, Guy, pour yourself a stiff drink and sit down, while I break this
> > gently. I reposted my piece ONCE. The initial posting was NOT a
> > repost, it was a post.
>
> So why did you label it "repost" then? I see it's been deleted from the
> archive now, but the thread still bears that title:
>
>
> It was a repost of an article you'd posted in 2010, which you'd already
> given a link to in any case.
>
> > So the second time it appeared, it was a repost.
>
> You labelled that one "repost" as well, but in fact it was a re-repost:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/msg/d17561ba79031412
>
> I presume you did that so that you could add the all-important extra "h" to
> the subject line, since I can't otherwise see any difference between the
> two.
Look, there might be some technical grinch here which lets us both of
> It was a repost of an article you'd posted in 2010, which you'd already
> given a link to in any case.
>
> > So the second time it appeared, it was a repost.
>
> You labelled that one "repost" as well, but in fact it was a re-repost:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/msg/d17561ba79031412
>
> I presume you did that so that you could add the all-important extra "h" to
> the subject line, since I can't otherwise see any difference between the
> two.
the hook. I made an initial post in 2010. It had no introduction. I
reposted it a couple of days ago, with a fake introduction to the 2010
post, and one for the current post.
Of course, being humorous around here is like kidding around an autism
workshop. "What, you making with the yoke, yes?" "Yes, bro, I making
with the yoke, but don't try to analyse it, yokes aren't like datives
you know..."
fabzorba
Oct 26, 2012, 9:56:12 PM10/26/12
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"get" it?
Guy Barry
Oct 27, 2012, 3:26:06 AM10/27/12
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"fabzorba" wrote in message
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> Look, there might be some technical grinch here which lets us both of
> the hook. I made an initial post in 2010. It had no introduction. I
> reposted it a couple of days ago, with a fake introduction to the 2010
> post, and one for the current post.
line. I received both of them. If you delete something in Google Groups,
it doesn't stop the post from being propagated to regular news servers.
That's why there are two separate threads with almost identical titles.
--
Guy Barry
fabzorba
Oct 31, 2012, 4:00:46 AM10/31/12
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stopping my brain waves thru terminal boredom reading the complete
drivel you scrape out of your arse.
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