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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Darrin Hofmeyr <dbho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pricing is at the bottom of that page.
> The official suggested end user price of a single new license of V-Ray
> 1.5 for Softimage is 890 Euro/ 1230 USD/ 770 GBP
>
"Chaos Group products are licensed per machine and with one V-Ray for
Maya license you can start and use V-Ray GUI and tools inside Maya
platform, start one local render job, speed up rendering with up to 10
render slaves for Distributed rendering using V-Ray Standalone, speed
up rendering with up to 10 render nodes using Maya batch."
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Darrin Hofmeyr <dbho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chaos Group products are licensed per machine and with one V-Ray for
> Softimage license you can start and use V-Ray GUI and tools inside the
> platform, start one local render job, speed up batch rendering using
> up to 5 render slaves with V-Ray Standalone or up to 5 render nodes
> with Softimage batch.
>
"The official suggested end user price of a single new license of V-Ray 1.5 for Softimage is 890 Euro/ 1230 USD/ 770 GBP"
> Any ideas of price?
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So you don’t get VRay 2.0 and the rendering is limited to 5 machines whereas it’s unlimited for MAX?!!
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Francois
Lord
Sent: 20 février 2012 10:36
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
From the web page.
Am 20.02.2012, 15:54 Uhr, schrieb Ben Rogall
<XSI_...@shaders.moederogall.com>:
> http://www.chaosgroup.com/en/2/vray_softimage.html?our=0215
Ya. I thought VRay would hurt Arnold but I’m pretty reassured now. :P
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Simon
Reeves
Sent: 20 février 2012 11:17
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
So max has unlimited batch licences, and vray matches that.
It was always 5 Batch licenses with XSI.
Maya includes 5 Batch too, btw.
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reeves
Sent: February-20-12 11:48 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
Did Autodesk change the licencing numbers when they took over Soft? Or was it always 5?
On 20 February 2012 16:41, Marc-Andre Carbonneau <marc-andre...@ubisoft.com<mailto:marc-andre...@ubisoft.com>> wrote:
Ya. I thought VRay would hurt Arnold but I'm pretty reassured now. :P
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Simon Reeves
Sent: 20 février 2012 11:17
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:soft...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
So max has unlimited batch licences, and vray matches that.
Softimages has 5, so vray has 5
Does that mean Maya has 10 and Vray has 10?
Still it's an odd policy to be different for different software I think.
On 20 February 2012 15:55, Eugen Sares <soft...@keyvis.at<mailto:soft...@keyvis.at>> wrote:
Very good news!!
I remember the presentation of the beta by Rusko Ruskov in Siegen/Germany October 2009...
Am 20.02.2012, 15:54 Uhr, schrieb Ben Rogall <XSI_...@shaders.moederogall.com<mailto:XSI_...@shaders.moederogall.com>>:
http://www.chaosgroup.com/en/2/vray_softimage.html?our=0215
So you don’t get VRay 2.0 and the rendering is limited to 5 machines whereas it’s unlimited for MAX?!!
Aaah! Thanks for the clarification. It can be misleading. ;)
So all in all, I can exchange VRay scenes between MAX and Softimage without a problem then!
VRay RT is super interesting. Hopefully it makes it way this side too.
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kamen
Lilov
Sent: 20 février 2012 12:24
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
On 2/20/2012 5:54 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote:
----- Original Message -----From: Rob ChapmanSent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:45 PMSubject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
I have not seen a render region in any of the demos and it seems they have to press “render frame” to see any changes…does anyone know if that is a real issue or just an oversight in the demo vids?
Does Vray have a progressive rendering like Arnold?
Thanks
Greg
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:46 PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
just watched the VRay hair & fur video - good stuff! so far its been an educational explanation, simple to setup, fast rendering, & looks fantastic. so.. whats the catch? theres always a catch right? :)
james,
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Greg Punchatz <gr...@janimation.com> wrote:
> I have not seen a render region in any of the demos and it seems they have
> to press �render frame� to see any changes�does anyone know if that is a
> real issue or just an oversight in the demo vids?
>
>
>
> Does Vray have a progressive rendering like Arnold?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Chapman
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:46 PM
>
>
> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
>
>
>
> just watched the VRay hair & fur video - good stuff! so far its been an
> educational explanation, simple to setup, fast rendering, & looks fantastic.
> so.. � whats the catch? �theres always a catch right? �:)
>
>
I have not seen a render region in any of the demos and it seems they have to press “render frame” to see any changes…
Does Vray have a progressive rendering like Arnold?
PM me (at kamen...@chaosgroup.com) for more info.
Rob Wuijster E ro...@casema.nl \/-------------\/----------------\/
Great to see this happen! : )
- Juhani
How is rendertree support with VRay?
There�s so many usefull nodes/shaders coming with softimage, some obscure ones being really essential � which ones will work and is there� documentation on this?And the other way around, what shaders come with Vray? (this is probably pushing things � will they work on other renderers?)�
A renderer without very extensive support of the rendertree has only limited appeal.Rendering is half of the equation, the other half is making things look they way you want them to.That is the main caveat with third party renderers IMO: you have to redo the shading networks, and stick to basics and third party provided nodes.
I�d love to be wrong though.�����
From: Kamen LilovSent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:12 AMSubject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
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On 2/21/2012 2:35 AM, Greg Punchatz wrote:
I have not seen a render region in any of the demos and it seems they have to press �render frame� to see any changes�
It's just a choice for the demo video. Render regions work as expected. Export speed may be an issue if you are tweaking the geometry a lot, but that applies to all Softimage-integrated renderers (even MR), as the host itself is somewhat slow at tesselation.
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That would be V-Ray RT. Not in this version of VRay | Softimage; but integration with RT is priority number one for the next upgrade.Does Vray have a progressive rendering like Arnold?
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Oh, and another question I should add: is there a �unified cross platform licensing� policy for Vray?�I�ve had my producer asking me spontaneously if I wanted VRay on Softimage � I must say I never had that happen before a producer asking to add tools .Studio has Vray for max already and the whole �standardise on Vray� idea sounds appealing � buying duplicate licenses for softimage/max/maya less so.
Platform independent licenses, that would unlock Vray for whatever supported soft that requests it, would be great, and go a long way in replacing mental ray.
�
Finally, Autodesk offering the choice of renderer that comes with the software would be great too.
It�s a shame to think of all the licensing money flowing from autodesk to mental images that doesn�t translate into product innovation.
Offering the choice of preferred rendering engine, directing the flow of money to the software clients believe in, could stirr things up for mental images, and perhaps kick them out of catatonia. Or not.
���
From: Juhani KarlssonSent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:35 PMSubject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
�
Great to see this happen! : )
- Juhani
How is rendertree support with VRay?
There�s so many usefull nodes/shaders coming with softimage, some obscure ones being really essential � which ones will work and is there� documentation on this?And the other way around, what shaders come with Vray? (this is probably pushing things � will they work on other renderers?)�
A renderer without very extensive support of the rendertree has only limited appeal.Rendering is half of the equation, the other half is making things look they way you want them to.That is the main caveat with third party renderers IMO: you have to redo the shading networks, and stick to basics and third party provided nodes.
I�d love to be wrong though.����
�
From: Kamen LilovSent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:12 AMSubject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
�
On 2/21/2012 2:35 AM, Greg Punchatz wrote:
I have not seen a render region in any of the demos and it seems they have to press �render frame� to see any changes�
It's just a choice for the demo video. Render regions work as expected. Export speed may be an issue if you are tweaking the geometry a lot, but that applies to all Softimage-integrated renderers (even MR), as the host itself is somewhat slow at tesselation.
�
That would be V-Ray RT. Not in this version of VRay | Softimage; but integration with RT is priority number one for the next upgrade.Does Vray have a progressive rendering like Arnold?
�
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It would be marvelous to not have to buy three instances of the renderengine
when all you�d want is to buy the plug-in exporters for Maya, Softimage and
3DSMax and one renderlicense (even coming with 5-10 batch licenses maybe)
From an artsy sight of things, this also looks like less work in the longrun,
having the actual renderer separate from the 3Dapp-specific exporter plug-ins.
finalrender and at least one other competitor seem to go that route, either
allowing to buy exporter plug-ins without more renderer licenses or even
providing various 3dapp exporter plug-ins but charging only for the renderer licenses,
which then can be used freely between supported apps.
I can imagine this would help Vray break into new markets, especially now that
there�s various Autodesk Bundle options that help to "just have a look into Softimage"
or "run Maya alongside 3DSMax" and so on.
If all you�d need is to purchase a new exporter plug-in to support your existing VRay
license (from, let�s say 3DsMax) in Softimage as well, there�d be less hesistation to
go and invest into that as testing things out (and running the farm) would feel harmless.
Cheers
tim
On 21.02.2012 13:26, pet...@skynet.be wrote:
> Oh, and another question I should add: is there a �unified cross platform licensing� policy for Vray?
> I�ve had my producer asking me spontaneously if I wanted VRay on Softimage � I must say I never had that happen before a producer asking to add tools Winking smile.
> Studio has Vray for max already and the whole �standardise on Vray� idea sounds appealing � buying duplicate licenses for softimage/max/maya less so.
> Platform independent licenses, that would unlock Vray for whatever supported soft that requests it, would be great, and go a long way in replacing mental ray.
> Finally, Autodesk offering the choice of renderer that comes with the software would be great too.
> It�s a shame to think of all the licensing money flowing from autodesk to mental images that doesn�t translate into product innovation.
> Offering the choice of preferred rendering engine, directing the flow of money to the software clients believe in, could stirr things up for mental images, and perhaps kick them
> out of catatonia. Or not.
> *From:* Juhani Karlsson <mailto:juhani....@talvi.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:35 PM
> *To:* soft...@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:soft...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Subject:* Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
> Great to see this happen! : )
>
> - Juhani
>
> 2012/2/21 <pet...@skynet.be <mailto:pet...@skynet.be>>
>
> How is rendertree support with VRay?
> There�s so many usefull nodes/shaders coming with softimage, some obscure ones being really essential � which ones will work and is there documentation on this?
> And the other way around, what shaders come with Vray? (this is probably pushing things � will they work on other renderers?)
> A renderer without very extensive support of the rendertree has only limited appeal.
> Rendering is half of the equation, the other half is making things look they way you want them to.
> That is the main caveat with third party renderers IMO: you have to redo the shading networks, and stick to basics and third party provided nodes.
> I�d love to be wrong though.
> *From:* Kamen Lilov <mailto:kamen...@chaosgroup.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:12 AM
> *To:* soft...@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:soft...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Subject:* Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
> On 2/21/2012 2:35 AM, Greg Punchatz wrote:
>>
>> I have not seen a render region in any of the demos and it seems they have to press �render frame� to see any changes�
>>
Best regards,
Vlado
a number of 'autodesk 3D seats' - kept under maintenance, with each seat
launching either of the 3 apps - softimage/maya/max
and then the same for an accompanying renderer - which could potentially be
Vray now.
this way they could decide on a number of artists, dictating the number of
workstations / interactive autodesk seats to maintain,
and the amount of rendernodes will dictate the amount of render licenses
needed, leaving the studio free to swapping resources as needed.
Right now it's a nightmare, caused by the will to use only licensed software
and the need to adapt software choice to the needs of the project at hand.
The producers tell me they hear the exact same difficulties from several
animation studios all over europe.
A software vendor understanding and accomodating this will not go
unnoticed...
I'm flattered that you guys (meaning "The Softimage team at AD") think
V-Ray | SI could become an important part of the Softimage ecosystem.
http://www.chaosgroup.com/en/2/vray_softimage.html?our=0215
Plenty of room for another render option besides mental ray.
On the 3ds max side, afaik, VRay became the de-facto standard 3rd-party
renderer.
Same here... VRay instead of MR feels great, but working in Max is no fun nevertheless :/
Arnold - still beta though, expensive for small studios.
Am 22.02.2012, 11:59 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Dï¿œnner
<steffen...@googlemail.com>:
S.
Sandy Sutherland
Technical Supervisor
sandy.su...@triggerfish.co.za
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From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Eugen Sares [soft...@keyvis.at]
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:13
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
Ok, right. I know. Yet pricing policy is what puts it out of reach for
many smaller studios not feeding a render farm day-to-day.
Are they going to release SIToA anytime soon then?
Am 22.02.2012, 11:59 Uhr, schrieb Steffen D�nner
Am 22.02.2012, 12:40 Uhr, schrieb Sandy Sutherland
<Sandy.Su...@triggerfish.co.za>:
> We use SITOA and Arnold here - and it is WAYYYY worth the cost!
>
> S.
>
> Sandy Sutherland
> Technical Supervisor
> sandy.su...@triggerfish.co.za
> _____________________________
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>
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> From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Eugen Sares
> [soft...@keyvis.at]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:13
> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
>
> Ok, right. I know. Yet pricing policy is what puts it out of reach for
> many smaller studios not feeding a render farm day-to-day.
> Are they going to release SIToA anytime soon then?
>
> Am 22.02.2012, 11:59 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Dï¿œnner
S.
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Technical Supervisor
sandy.su...@triggerfish.co.za
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From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Eugen Sares [soft...@keyvis.at]
Sent: 22 February 2012 13:45
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
By the way: what's the rendernodes pricing policy for Arnold?
Sorry for getting a bit off-topic...
Am 22.02.2012, 12:40 Uhr, schrieb Sandy Sutherland
<Sandy.Su...@triggerfish.co.za>:
> We use SITOA and Arnold here - and it is WAYYYY worth the cost!
>
> S.
>
> Sandy Sutherland
> Technical Supervisor
> sandy.su...@triggerfish.co.za
> _____________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Eugen Sares
> [soft...@keyvis.at]
> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:13
> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
>
> Ok, right. I know. Yet pricing policy is what puts it out of reach for
> many smaller studios not feeding a render farm day-to-day.
> Are they going to release SIToA anytime soon then?
>
> Am 22.02.2012, 11:59 Uhr, schrieb Steffen D�nner
Probably not. So here it is:
Thank you for bringing V-Ray to Softimage.
I´ve spent most of the last 6 months working with
V-Ray in production and am glad I had that opportunity.
Even thought I haven´t used V-Ray RT myself, I liked how
well it accelerated fellow artist´s workflows for lighting
and shading or even cleanups and scene/reference assemblies.
I hope all your efforts will amortize quickly enough, not just
because it´s worth it but also because you guys may then find
yourself in the lucky position to be able to finally bundle
the translator plug-ins anyway, as maintaining will hopefully
be less expensive than developing everything from scratch...
I´d like to think of that as just a matter of time, even if
you´ve clearly stated otherwise :-)
Cheers,
tim
I've noticed that demo's resolution limit doesn't apply to render region, is
that intentional?
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From: Kamen Lilov
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:54 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: V-Ray for Softimage released
On 2/21/2012 11:10 PM, Jason Brynford-Jones wrote:
Same here - very happy with it.
Best Regards
Morten Bartholdy
VFX Supervisor/3D Lead
www.gimmickvfx.com
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