"When You Die, Someone Should Die With You"
Perspectives on Accompanied Death by Moses Ochonu and Friends on Facebook in
Relation to the January 2022 Burial of the Aku Uka of Wukari
Compiled by Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju with an Introduction,
Background Images and Accompanying Facebook Comments by Various Readers
Accompanied death, the process of a person dying along with a person
already dead, recurs in various civilizations. It emerges in the now
defunct Indian tradition of Sati
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)>, discontinued by the
colonising British, in which a wife burnt herself alive in the process of
her husband's cremation. It has also been visible in a number of various
African civilisations. Wole Soyinka builds his play *Death and the King's
Horseman* around that custom as it was demonstrated in 1946 in the Yoruba
city of Oyo. The sections of the play centred on the attempted ritual
suicide of the king's horseman who is to follow his lord to the beyond are
among his greatest work. It has been described in African cultures, as also
actualised in the forceful seizure of people to be killed in accompaniment
of a dead ruler, though whether it still continues in some or all of those
cultures, I have not been able to ascertain.
In the case of the Aki Uka of Wukari, in Nigeria, his corpse is seated on a
horse, leaning on the horse rider, who rides with the body into a forest
believed, by one perspective, to a forest wherein is the abode of spirits
where the deceased ruler will achieve his final transition. The spirits,
this view states, may or may not decide to take the horse rider along with
the deceased ruler, whose body is also believed to experience a fate
unknown to any but the spirits and the departed ruler's final companion.
Picture of an earlier example of the final ride of the body of the deceased
Aki Uka of Wukari, with his living companion
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In the post and discussion below, Moses Ochonu and his Facebook friends
discuss the subject in relation to the recent burial, in January 2022, of
the Aku Uka of Wukari.
Moses Ochonu presents this view on what happens in the climatic final
scenes of the ride to the beyond:
''there was no “intentional killing of another human being.” The king’s
escort goes ALONE into the bush with the king on a horse and, depending on
what the gods decide, would commit ritual sacrificial suicide. In many
cases, the gods spare the escorts. In the current case, the young man was
not only spared but has since returned home to his family.''
Zainab Ali, responding to Ochonu's post on the subject, presents another
perspective on the fate of the ruler's companion:
''historically the forest where the final burial is conducted is dangerous,
wild animals evil spirits, and whatnot. So considering the escort is just
one man, the possibility of something happening to him over there is known
and accepted by him ab initio.
It is that danger that raise the conversation around the uncertainty of his
return, it is never about him being sacrificed.'
Ochonu, a historial, tries to contextualise Ali's contribution:
''Zainab Ali
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thank
you again!!This is very enlightening. You are educating many misinformed
people. I believe many people criticize what they don’t understand, and
that there had to be a rational, perfectly logical reason for for the
escort perhaps not returning. Often, with this type of things, the
ritual/sacrificial/suicidal explanation is constructed strategically after
the tradition has already taken root, as a way of consolidating monarchical
power by further mystifying its occupant and putting sacred fear in the
hearts of subjects. I have a similar story from Benin Kingdom.''
A principal disagreement between Ochonu and some of his intercutors is
represented by the following exchange:
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While we all appreciate the excesses of the Pentecostals in painting
anything non-western as barbaric, I must admit that human sacrifice,
whether voluntarily or otherwise is very barbaric.
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It was not barbaric to the people who invented it and at the time that
it was instituted. You can call for its review in view of current moral
standards without calling it barbaric. The folks who came up with it would
have disapproved of many rituals and practices we consider mainstream and
modern, but I doubt they would have been so judgmental as to call those
practices barbaric. It's this type of decontextualized condemnation and
judgmental critique that is problematic.
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I completely disagree. Any cultural practice that leads to the intentional
killing of another human being under any guise is barbaric.
In my culture, they used to bury titled men with some of their slaves.
Also twins were seen as abomination and were killed. Both practices were
barbaric too and had long been stopped.
There are some evidence that Western Europe practised human sacrifice.
That’s also barbaric.
All other aspects of Jukun cultural practices may be excellent but that
of human sacrifice is a no no no.
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but
there was no “intentional killing of another human being.” The king’s
escort goes ALONE into the bush with the king on a horse and, depending on
what the gods decide, would commit ritual sacrificial suicide. In many
cases, the gods spare the escorts. In the current case, the young man was
not only spared but has since returned home to his family.
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- From what I've read, the man alone will ride on the horse with the
corpse of the King to the final resting place deep in the wilderness, where
he is expected to "deliver the king" to the gods and then commit ritual,
sacrificial suicide.
In reality, many of the “sacrificial” companions return home, spared by
the gods. Only a few do not. The idea is that if the gods wish, they could
take the life of the king’s living companion during or at the end of the
three day journey deep in the bush.”
I first provide the context of their discussion through images and
accompanying commentary from sources familiar with the culture of the
Wukari, from Apajukun <
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Facebook page dedicated to this culture.
*Context of Discusion : The Burial of the Aku Uka of Warri in Pictures and
Commentary*
* Picture of What May be the Throne of the
Aku Uka *
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* Announcement of Live Streaming of Funeral Rites*
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January 12, 2022
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PUBLIC NOTICE!!
This is to inform the general public that arrangement has been made for
live streaming of the final rite (Pankya) of His Majesty, Dr Shekarau Angyu
Masa-Ibi CON, The AKU UKA.
Those who may not be opportuned to attend can do so virtually on inferno TV
(Facebook and Youtube).
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*A Poetic Celebration of the Aku Uka's Ride to the Beyond with His
Companion*
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Tuesday, January 18, 2022
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THE TRANSMOGRIFICATION & THE TRANSITION OF AKU UKA
He does not belong here alone, he belongs to the gods!
He descended from far beyond.
He was born mortal yet immortal.
His persona is twined betwixt two worlds.
He is an enigma beyond comprehension.
He is a satellite of the gods over the people.
He is a vicar of the gods.
He is the blend of the real & the surreal.
He knows no hate and hates not one.
On his hands is the power to make or stop the rain.
He possesses the power to silence the thunder and forbid the lightning
from striking.
Now, the appointed time beckons & his spirit must transit to NANDO, the
great beyond where he will commune with the gods in the land of the living
dead.
On his left hand, he holds the esoteric grains which he must release for
the survival of the people.
On his right hand, he holds all the natural elements which he must let go
of for his people as he journeys ahead.
But behold, a young hero on a stallion riding along gallantly with pride,
dignity & majesty to the great beyond with the ANDU.
The ground quakes & the multitudes of people shake & tremble at the sight
of the young hero who must not look back until he delivers the new citizen
to the land of the gods.
Prince Beavens Ajiduku (PhD)
A prince from the great Kwararafa Kingdom
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*An Expository Explanation of the Aku Uka's Ride to the Beyond with His
Companion*
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PANKYA AND IT'S MANY MYSTERIES.
The events of yesterday have left people wondering 'what actually took
place?'. For an outsider, even some insiders, there are questions to be
answered.
Firstly, PANKYA is the Jukun transition ceremony for the Aku to the great
beyond. The Aku does not die. He is a 'son' of the gods, the guardian and
protector of his people. His place is between the mortal and the immortal.
The Aku is not venerated or honoured, no, he is WORSHIPPED by his subjects.
He is a priest-king to whom libation is offered every morning. He is not
associated with affairs of mortals like funeral and wedding. He is beyond
emotions and weakness. Thus, he DOES NOT DIE. There will is no 'funeral
rite' for him but the of journeying to NANDO and finally KINDO.
The PANKYA is a mystery. A mystery is what cannot be understood using human
logic. Only those inserted into its cult (cult as in its true meaning and
implications) and 'educated' in its practice can make sense of it.
So, the PANKYA is not just a ceremony or rite, it is a religious rite
performed by cultic priests and worshippers. All others are just onlookers.
Because he does not die, there are no undertaker's, coffin or grave, that
will make him mortal. He rides majestically on his royal horse to meet his
forebears. The young man with him serves as his sheath bearer. But also
serve as the proverbial scapegoat, on behalf of the community.
ABAGA'IDU NASHA'IN has gone to KINDO, his mission accomplished here.
Another will take his place. May his reign last long in peace.
So, in summary, the Jukun culture is deeply religious, steep in mysteries.
Any religion without mysteries is a fable. Thus, the PANKYA MUST BE
UNDERSTOOD within the context of religion, for so is the Jukun world view..
CHIDON KU YII WATASHUMA.
Dankaro Solomon *Further Responses*
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According to Jukun tradition, the transition of the Aku must be followed by
the ritual suicide of the Aku’s horseman as well as his wears, because the
horseman’s spirit (which is the ATOBE) is essential to helping the Aku’s
spirit ascend to the afterlife.
A specific family in the Jukun land has been task with the duty of the
horseman to the Aku when embarking on journey to join his ancestors --
members of that family are trained from childhood to perform such duty
relentlessly when need arises.
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Pls I need understanding of this Jukum people's traditions of burial,
taking the late king to Nando where I understand is like the spirit world
for him to transit to meet this other ancestors. Does it mean that the
horse rider might return or not depending on how lucky the rider is ? And
second question does the late king has a burial site that people can see
since the whole thing now is about taking him to the spirit world? Pls I
need clarity on this to understand better. Thanks
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It's a mystery of this culture, until ur been initiated,u can't
understand the deep things.
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for
emphasis sake, no any official statement regarding the fate(return or not)
of the sheath bearer (horse rider), but from records available to us like
you said he has 50:50 percent chance of survival, either way, return or
not. As for burial site, because all Akus are not buried but transited to
join the ancestors, there's no talk about any burial site. The sheath
bearer takes Aku to Nando and that's all, and whatever happens there is
strictly cultural mystery.
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a truth I'm Jukun some things are deep and beyond comprehension....the king
isn't buried z where the horse rather went with him is also something we do
not understand however, we are aware its from puje to bevyi, kuntsa and
Nando.....only those who belongs to that cult understand what is happening
....so we don't have answer to your question sir ...thanks
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exactly
that's what I also want to know
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I don't understand, do u go somewhere and keep him or how.
And who chooses the person that will go drop him.
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Thanks Samuel for the good clarifications.
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so
why are they happy the horse rider is back ?
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From history
Some don't come back safe
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We don't burry king
Rather
They transit
*Return of the Companion of the Aku Uka on his Journey to the Land of the
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Monday January 17, 2022
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GOOD NEWS COMING FROM NANDO TO BYE-VYI TO KUNTSA.
The horse rider (ATOBE) has finally returned.
He's indisputably a man and a substantiated tenancy spirit.
The man that scuffled with the ghost prevailed.
Congratulations to the Apajukun
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of the great Kwararafa Kingdom.
*Selections from Responses to the News of the Return of the Aku Uka's
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Solomon Ajiduku wrote:
This is how the cult looks like--an ombudsman, the proverbial scapegoat,
the sacrificial lamb, the letting of his back to be laid the body of the
late Aku in a soul-lime mood, in a sublime, to be taken to a destination,
only known to the proverbial lamb and the cultists, the owners of the
voodoo.
My grand parents were of it, my father too, I also partake in it. It is
running in my blood. He goes with the horse, majestically paranoid engulfed
him in darkness, melancholically he is encapsulated. The journey to the
burial ground takes three days, at a point he will be left only him, the
horse and body of the Aku Uka. He must deliver it to the gods, owners of
the crest of the Aku Uka. Yes, he should, he might not come back any more--
if he does, he becomes in fable, he will be feared, looked at as a ghost.
The horse, an innocent calf, has to go together with the body of the death.
That's how the tradition is represented. We came with it from the Southern
Yamen, in Israel, and very interesting indeed. It's mystical, but only
those that belong to it knows about it. The onlookers will express
scepticism, cynical, express doubt, but that's the mystic of it, you can't
find it any where in this world. Check the history, it has always been like
that, from 1903 till date. The traditional burial rites have remained the
same. My grand father went through it in 1947, after his rule in 1927.
*A Projected Online Discussion by Culture Experts Explaining the Burial
Rites*
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Post by Moses Ochonu on his Facebook Wall on the Burial Cereremony of the
Aku Uka
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Monday, January 17, 2022 THE AKU UKA'S FUNERAL AND MATTERS ARISING
The recent funeral of the late Aku Uka of Wukari, traditional ruler of the
ancient Jukun empire, one of the oldest in the Nigerian territorial area,
was a spectacle to behold. Thanks to social media and the democratization
of audiovisual and photographic technology, many of us got to watch it
unfold in real time or saw recorded videos of it.
Already, instead of celebrating this beautifully passionate display of an
ancient, traditional African funerary practice and its self-affirming and
proud survival in the face of colonial and postcolonial pressures, I see
the usual derisive and dismissive contempt for the rites from the usual
suspects.
The sight of thousands of men, women, boys, and children dressed in the
traditional Jukun tiedyed loincloth and emotively marching, singing, and
ululating to send their beloved king to the other side is remarkable.
But not everyone is impressed. The Pentecostal crowd is out in full force,
condemning what it sees as demonic, cultic funeral rituals of the late
king's transition to the land of the ancestors.
The problem I have with my Pentecostal brethren is that, sometimes, they
have a hard time accepting a world in which people of other religions can
find their own path to God or spiritual happiness.
The traditional religion of the Jukun is just as legitimate as Pentecostal
Christianity. It is definitely older. Both are paths to God, one through
the messianic status of Jesus, the other through the mediatory agency of
ancestors and their spirits. The practitioners of Jukun religion are just
as certain of their their access to God as Christians are of theirs.
The contempt for elaborate, mysterious, and ill-understood Jukun
traditional rituals is part of the general perception of traditional
practices as inferior fetish and of Christianity and modernity as foreign
and superior, even though these two phenomena are neither foreign nor
superior. And even though the Bible itself clearly states that people who
believe differently and follow a different path to God will be judged
according to their own deeds, values, and beliefs on Judgment Day.
Many of the critics hide their bigotry and contempt behind the image of the
body of the late Aku Uka riding on a horse tied to a man said to be the
person, as tradition demands, to accompany him to his final resting place.
This is a euphemism for the man dying and transitioning with the king.
From what I've read, the man alone will ride on the horse with the corpse
of the King to the final resting place deep in the wilderness, where he is
expected to "deliver the king" to the gods and then commit ritual,
sacrificial suicide.
In reality, many of the “sacrificial” companions return home, spared by the
gods. Only a few do not. The idea is that if the gods wish, they could take
the life of the king’s living companion during or at the end of the
three-day journey deep in the forest.
In that case, the family would take some solace in the prepaid financial
compensation but more importantly in the honor that their brave,
self-sacrificial member is now a companion of the king in the afterlife. If
the escort returns home, he achieves heroic status and is lionized and
venerated as a person who accompanied the king to the other side and
returned with supernatural powers and blessings from the gods and the
ancestors.
Despite Jukun people and those with intimate knowledge of the religion
explaining that the man is a royal servant who signed up for the
sacrificial role, many of the critics (from both the Christian and secular
modernist perspectives) have pounced on this aspect of the funerary
ceremony to condemn the religion of the Jukun as a barbaric cult.
Certainly, cultures and practices evolve or should evolve with the times to
respond to changing moral sensibilities and notions of what is morally
acceptable. Religious rituals inherited from ancient times that offend the
moral paradigms of the present need to be reviewed.
Whether the sacrificial horse rider volunteered for the role or was, as is
often the case, dedicated to it from birth, by some oracular divination, or
parental decision, this is 2022 and the dead, whether they're kings or
commoners, should be buried alone to travel to their ancestors and/or their
maker alone.
However, the existence of this practice is not a reason to condemn,
wholesale, the beautiful ancient funerary tradition of the Jukun people, to
deride the strong traditional religious devotion of the people, or to
disrespect the sacred throne of the great Aku Uka.
For those who do not know, the Kwararafa/Jukun Empire, the postcolonial
remnant of which the Aku Uka presides over, was the political cradle of
most of the peoples and polities in Central Nigeria (Middle Belt), with the
Idoma, Igala, Ngas, Eggon, Berom, Alago, Tarok, Ebira, Awe, and many other
ethnic groups in the region tracing their origins or that of their kingship
traditions to the great empire.
So great and vast was the Kwararafa empire headquartered in Wukari/Okali
that it directly or indirectly ruled over a territory that briefly included
Kano.
You can express your discomfort with the sacrificial aspect of the funerary
rites without condemning a beautiful, resilient religion, a great kingship
institution, or the legacy of an ancient, glorious kingdom.
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This is the young man who escorted the great king to Nando and returned,
according to tradition, from the land of the ancestors with spiritual
powers.
[image: May be an image of 3 people and text that says '7:09 15 95%
Apajukun 2h י Like Page GOOD NEWS COMING FROM NANDO ΤΟ BYE-VYI ΤΟ KUNTSA.
The horse rider (ATOBE) has finally returned. He's indisputably a man and a
substantiated tenancy spirit. The man that scuffled with the ghost
prevailed. Congratulations to the Apajukun of the great Kwararafa
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I read somewhere that the escort has actually returned home
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yes,
I just read that too
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I still do not believe the Royal servant will commit ritual, sacrificial
suicide, I'll wish to read the truth about that from an expert. Prof, I'm
going to share your submission but credited to you sir.
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he
did not. He has since returned home. But his family is
paid/compensated in
case the gods decide he has to accompany the king.
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..
the gods will address a press conference tomorrow [image: 🤣]
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good
to know sir, I thought as much, I'm so relieved.
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I don't think it is a suicide per se, what I was told is the escort
might or might not return, which is why his family is paid beforehand just
in case the gods decide he is not coming back. And fortunately for this
particular one, he has actually returned home.
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thank
you very much for confirming this. That is what I read too, but I thought
the expectation was that he would not return. Thanks for clarifying.
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historically
the forest where the final burial is conducted is dangerous, wild animals
evil spirits, and whatnot. So considering the escort is just one man, the
possibility of something happening to him over there is known
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It is that danger that raise the conversation around the uncertainty
of his return, it is never about him being sacrificed.
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thank
you again!!This is very enlightening. You are educating many misinformed
people. I believe many people criticize what they don’t understand, and
that there had to be a rational, perfectly logical reason for for the
escort perhaps not returning. Often, with this type of things, the
ritual/sacrificial/suicidal explanation is constructed
strategically after
the tradition has already taken root, as a way of consolidating
monarchical
power by further mystifying its occupant and putting sacred fear in the
hearts of subjects. I have a similar story from Benin Kingdom.
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now
that the escort returned home,whats the position of the already payed
compensation?
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I
want to believe he has earned whatever was paid [image: 😃]
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prof; my criticism was informed by the info you dished out,
which now seems
not to be accurate.
And if the case of “sacrificial suicide” emanates from the vagaries
of the thick Bush and he being alone, then they should modify
the culture…
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I don’t know their culture but I doubt there is anything there that
specifically forbade bearing of arms.
Moreover bearing arms does not completely eliminate dangers.
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When they get to the forest, the rider will now do what with the
corpse? That's the mystery for me!!!!
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I'm learning from this conversation
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that's
the mystery. Even in Abrahamic religion there are things you
leave to fate
and faith.
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He
is to deliver him to ancestors who gave him to us as a king and
expected no
harm befall him as term and condition. That's another aspect where the
man's life is at risk.
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The Jukun monarch is seen and perceived by subjects as a god. The
monarch rules the kingdom as a direct messenger of the almighty God. The
monarch communes with ancestral spirits and possess some mystical powers.
The Monarch's transition is steep in mystery and spirituality. The return
of the escort in reality is dependent on the level of his
spirituality and
bravery. The construct is that why he journey alone into NANDO he'll have
to contend with some mystical powers and spirits. The vagaries
arising from
the conditions of the forest is inconsequential.
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I
agree with arming him, although that would take away from the mysterious
danger of the enterprise and the constructed but useful
narrative that the
gods determine his fate in the forest.
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While we all appreciate the excesses of the Pentecostals in painting
anything non-western as barbaric, I must admit that human sacrifice,
whether voluntarily or otherwise is very barbaric.
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It was not barbaric to the people who invented it and at the time
that it was instituted. You can call for its review in view of current
moral standards without calling it barbaric. The folks who came
up with it
would have disapproved of many rituals and practices we consider
mainstream
and modern, but I doubt they would have been so judgmental as to
call those
practices barbaric. It's this type of decontextualized condemnation and
judgmental critique that is problematic.
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and
the Christian sacrifice is not barbaric?
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I completely disagree. Any cultural practice that leads to the
intentional
killing of another human being under any guise is barbaric.
In my culture, they used to bury titled men with some of their
slaves. Also twins were seen as abomination and were killed.
Both practices
were barbaric too and had long been stopped.
There are some evidence that Western Europe practised human
sacrifice. That’s also barbaric.
All other aspects of Jukun cultural practices may be excellent but
that of human sacrifice is a no no no.
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sorry I am not aware of Christian practice of human sacrifice.
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Really?
I thought Jesus sacrificed his life? Or what is your
interpretation of the
Biblical sacrifice?
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, [image: 😂][image: 😂][image: 😂]. Really? That’s your
understanding of Jesus as the sacrificial lamb?
If you view it from the human angle then you should know that was a
metaphorical sacrifice.
If from the spiritual realm then it should be obvious to you that
Jesus was not a human being.
Either way that was more than 2000 yrs ago. I don’t see any true
Christian going about head-hunting for human sacrifice.
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but
there was no “intentional killing of another human being.” The king’s
escort goes ALONE into the bush with the king on a horse and,
depending on
what the gods decide, would commit ritual sacrificial suicide. In many
cases, the gods spare the escorts. In the current case, the young man was
not only spared but has since returned home to his family.
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oh
I must have misread your post. I thought you were justifying his
sacrificial suicide. I didn’t even know the dude was still alive.
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Am
I still surprised that the African sacrificial individual is
human but that
of Judeo- christian is not?
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From what I've read, the man alone will ride on the horse with the
corpse of the King to the final resting place deep in the
wilderness, where
he is expected to "deliver the king" to the gods and then commit ritual,
sacrificial suicide.
In reality, many of the “sacrificial” companions return home, spared
by the gods. Only a few do not. The idea is that if the gods wish, they
could take the life of the king’s living companion during or at
the end of
the three day journey deep in the bush.”
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let’s just assume you are right that the judeo-christian group performed
human sacrifice. so your argument is if Judeo-christian group performed
human sacrifice some thousands of years ago then we Africans should
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,I
am talking about how you people accept and worship the Judeo- Christian
sacrifice but abhor the African sacrifice.
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I don’t see your point.
This your phantom judeo-christian human sacrifice still makes no
sense to me.
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I
wasn't expecting what ever I say regarding this matter to make sense to
you. The Hamitic hypothesis wasn't cooked up to free you
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I’ve told you that any form of human sacrifice is barbaric.
Talking about “judeo-christian sacrifice” ad infinitum would not
somehow transform the metaphorical “Jesus as sacrificial lamb” into the
equivalence of what we all know as human sacrifice.
I did not watch the funeral rights in question and have utmost
respects for people’s cultures.
Having said that, I still maintain that any form of human sacrifice
is barbaric and should be stopped immediately.
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Human sacrifice may be barbaric even at the time it was invented by
the people concerned. For example ChrisUgwualor can corroborate the fact
that many Igbo communities practiced cannibalism at a time past and even
during those ages and up till date, cannibalism is evil!
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Chris Ugwualor What Maram Mafalul is asking is why you have found it
hard to condemn the "suicidal sacrifice" of Jesus as barbaric despite
already making a categorical statement that any cultural
practice involving
human sacrifice whether voluntary or otherwise is barbaric? Since we are
made to believe the Judeo-christian narrative of how God gave his son,
Jesus to be sacrificed for the whole world or that Jesus
voluntarily agreed
to be sacrificed. Why has that not being called out as barbaric too
according to your woke standards?
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Can you specifically tell us where cannibalism is currently practised in
Igbo land?
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when
you said 'any form of human sacrifice' is vague to me because
soldiers that
go to war are more sacrificial than a single man associated with
the burial
of a king. Of course you people call that " service to
motherland" and not
barbaric. I can go on and on in bringing out sacrifices of humans
associated with senseless situations.
Besides, in today's liberalism, animal slaughter is also barbaric.
Again, When you said " any form of human sacrifice is barbaric and
should be stopped immediately " is it the usual human sacrifice advocacy
linked to western standardized activism or you believe by mere
proclamation
on Facebook, such will stop?
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I wish I saw it. This year, I plan on participating in all the
traditional festivals of my people
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That coming from those who till today periodically "eat" the flesh, and
"drink" the blood, of the self-sacrificing child of God to affirm their
membership in their community of faith?
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You
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The miseducation of Nigerians has been thorough. How on earth could that
funeral be anything but beautiful? But many Nigerians and cultural
consciousness have long parted ways. Decades of miseducation have eroded
our self-worth. I mean right now, some of them are on Twitter hailing this
Arab guy who calls himself Nigerian Whiteman for participating in NYSC.
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That
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Thanks for educating!
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Well, I want to believe that you're only speaking from a scholarly
perspective. And so, I still want to believe that you are still a
Christian. We pray for guys over there in the States that, America will not
rub you of that rare privilege. IJCN!
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Thank you for the education Prof. I hope I can watch it on YouTube.
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you
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Prof., I understand your sentiment as an accomplished historian but as a
Christian and one who believes the Bible, there's only One Way to the
Father. Unless you're saying that Jesus was lying (God forbid) or meant
something else when He said in the scriptures "...no one goes to the Father
except through me", I'd take it that you're trying to be politically
correct - which is also fine.
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Christianity
is not the ONLY religion in the world, and if you're well read;
you'd know
that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were never Christians who believed Jesus to
be the only way to Heaven. These three names all appear in
Muslim texts, so
if we would go by your Christian belief, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
David, are
all in hell. [image: 😂]
Listen, read books other than the bible. Expand your worldview and
you'd stop embarrasing yourself using the ONLY text you know.
I come in peace. [image: 🙏]
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forgive my "inability to read wide", but those Bible patriarchs you
mentioned came before Jesus and when he made the declaration.
Before Christ
God accepted animal blood as sacrifice from humans. If you are a
Christian
as I'd like to think you are, do you still sacrifice animals
when you pray
to God? But that was okay Before Christ. So, in essence, according to the
Bible, the coming of Christ has changed how humans access God. Unless of
course you're talking about another God other than the One in the Bible.
Thank you.
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Tradition and customs aren’t religion. Jewish customs weren’t
circumvented in Jesus’ life so we mustn’t condemn tradition. It comes
before religion. Like Jesus’ funeral, kings in Africa go through
rites that
aren’t based on religion but the lived histories of the tribe. How many
pastors today would accept to be buried in loincloth, in cave, and
annointed on the third day with oils? Would it be evil per
modern Christian
beliefs? How different are the above practices from what the Jukun lord
received on his passing?
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ahhhhhhh[image: 🙆♂️][image: 🙆♂️][image: 🙆♂️]. May God open
your eyes. This things are demonic. That is why Jesus Christ came to
destroy the works of the devil. What do you mean by well read?
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but
it didn't mentioned if the Aku was going to the father.....to
his ancestors.
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did
you read any mention of Jesus Christ in the whole thing, were they on a
Christian prayer expedition, what brought about Christianity here, don't
you have ancestors, have you try to trace your family background? Am not
giving backings to unchristian beliefs but, these people didn't claim
Christianity, did they?
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“A culture is a work of imagination.”
—C. Wiman.
Any culture (=whatever it is that a people or person begins to cultivate
and with time becomes entrenched)….
Anywhere.
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Prof as a pentecostal yourself , them go give you back seat ooh.
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However you paint it, any ceremony that requires that a dead person sits
on a horse and is taken around in broad day light,, by a rider who in turn
is on his way to committing suicide, is to say the least undesirable. Add
to that, the fact that several children were allowed to watch this
barbarity. I wonder how they will ever be able to get that terrible sight
off their memories. They are many things to be proud of about African
traditions, this surely isn't one.
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We must learn not to throw away the baby along with the bathing water.
Even these foreign religions have their various shortcomings too. Cultural
practices world over are not static but rather in a state of flux aligning
to modern realities. Hence, the human sacrifice aspect of the royal burial
rite of the Jukun people has to be repealed and abandoned for good.
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I love this direction of recovering heritages lost to whiteness. But
these carefully worded paragraphs here are proving hard for me to
understand. Enlighten me, biko:
"The problem I have with my Pentecostal brethren is that, sometimes,
they have a hard time accepting a world in which people of other religions
can find their own path to God or spiritual happiness."
"The traditional religion of the Jukun is just as legitimate as
Pentecostal Christianity. It is definitely older. Both are paths to God,
one through the messianic status of Jesus, the other through the mediatory
agency of ancestors and their spirits. The practitioners of Jukun religion
are just as certain of their their access to God as Christians are of
theirs."
These paragraphs could be read as an endorsement of pluralism - the
claim that all religions lead to God. Read this way, I think it will be
very problematic to square with orthodox Christianity. Of course, every
passionate and sincere adherent of a faith believes her religion to be
legitimate and is confident about her access to God. But it is another
matter entirely to declare all religions equally valid and legitimate. This
is especially true about religions that affirm propositions that are
contradictory.
But I recognize that it can simply be understood as saying that people
have been finding God before Jesus became incarnate and that many continue
to find God today as people did before Jesus. This wouldn't be problematic.
From Christianity’s viewpoint, these people can be judged on the basis of
the truth in nature that they do know (or whatever else God chooses to
use.) They can be judged (or evaluated) apart from a true knowledge of
Christ.
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Good piece.
Culture,Tradition and our history are part of every society so lets
appreciate all.
The debate in the write up is good, lets engage in a constructive debate
and avoid vulgare words because day by day things are being unveiled for
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The beauty of the Jukun tradition is that, until the end of time, this
remains the only acceptable way of the Aku joining his ancestors, it will
NEVER change, not even in the year 5050.
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Sallah Atobe, the sheath bearer of Aku Uka during his transition to
NANDO, has returned alive.
Sallah Atobe was the horseman who escorted AKu Uka of Wukari to the
great beyond on Friday.
Source Apajukun and Rhapsodi Affos blog
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Prof ! Thanks for educating us.
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"Certainly, cultures and practices evolve or should evolve with the
times and to respond to the evolving moral sensibilities and notions of
what's morally acceptable. Religious/cultural rituals inherited from
ancient times that offend the moral paradigm of the present need to be
renewed ".
This is d GOLDEN NUGGET in d post. Some of our African practices are
archaic and not in conformity to the present time unlike others. In terms
of religion d reason why Christianity is widely accepted is because it has
evolved and subjected to numerous practical and doctrinal changes (unknown
to many nowadays Christians). Abraham came out of a cultural/religious
background where human sacrifice was normal, that was why he didn't object
to d idea of sacrificing Isaac because it wasn't strange to him. Human
sacrifice wasn't encouraged from there, in d Abrahamic religions (tho d
alternative ram is still been sacrificed yearly by Moslems who pride
themselves as d only one practising d true tenets of d Abrahamic religion).
Now if a ram was not provided what would av happened?
Now Judaism evolved to Christianity, which has also changed from d olden
days Christianity that supported so many evil and barbaric practices. Many
CHRISTIANS were killed in d name of God (by hanging, burnt alive, skinned
alive) BY THE CHURCH for preaching heresy (heresy that brought about d
positive and peaceful changes that Christians are enjoying today).
Christianity used to be a religion of violence but evolved to a "religion
of peace" that we av today and its d unwillingness of Islam to evolve that
makes it archaic to modernists. Recently Amanda Chisom opined that d bible
needs reviewing and editing because of its many anti women stances añd she
was called names for daring to suggest that. They are poor students of
history.
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A great tradition that must not be allowed to die.......thank you for
capturing this rift between the so called moderns and the antients in a
very balanced manner. However I doubt if we should subscribe to undoing the
part of the self sacrifice of the escort..........how many millions of
young men and women have been sacrificed by so called modern cultures in
the name of military service and war? Are we not conscious that every time
a band of troops are sent out to any war front, those guys are as good as
dead until they return or not?
The escort is part of the ancient military service, who without taking
the translated king to his forebears would have allowed the wrath of the
ancestors and gods to descend on the people...........so, if Christians
celebrate the self sacrifice of Christ, why did they not term God as
barbaric for demanding the blood of his own son as compensation for sins he
had no hand in?
If we go down the path of rationalization, none will be right and none
win the debate!
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I was awed by it. Such a great thing seeing a preserved tradition.
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When they get to the forest, the rider will now do what with the corpse.
That's the mystery for me.
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That's exactly why it's a mystery [image: 😂]
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that's
mystery for you, mystery of course.
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He is now between the edge of the mortal and the spirit. The gods
will now decide to take the rider along to KINDO or allow him come back
safely with the gifts
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The truth is, sacrifice is central and key to religious rituals. There
is no religion that doesn't promote sacrifice as a standard gauge of
commitment