Gerry Adams = Patrick Hackett
Special Care
Adams is the same type of person as Patrick Hackett.
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.irish/browse_thread/thread/51c18c6e03e155ff/dd7d714dde4e2be3?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=the+man+who+never+was#dd7d714dde4e2be3
Rupert Bear
> No amount of verbal gymnastics can ever change the fact that Gerry
I do not understand what you are trying to do with this link to the
Gerry Hackett/Adams thing..
Why..? What is the Irish situation to me,,
I grew up with the IRA letting off bombs over there
in the news all the time and I just got tired with it all
Till then here is a link I found.. For You..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyvqWNBHV6g&feature=related
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Mentalguy2k8
"Rupert Bear" <nutherpe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:79fdec60-6687-4446...@w24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On May 12, 4:46 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No amount of verbal gymnastics can ever change the fact that Gerry
> Adams is the same type of person as Patrick
> Hackett.https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.irish/browse_thread/threa...
>I do not understand what you are trying to do with this link to the
>Gerry Hackett/Adams thing..
>Why..? What is the Irish situation to me,,
>I grew up with the IRA letting off bombs over there
>in the news all the time and I just got tired with it all
I think the great Alan Partridge got it spot on... "Gerry Adams looks like a
deputy headmaster, and Martin McGuinness looks like a clown without make-up"
Special Care
quoted below - without reference to any other discussion.
It's important to understand that Gerry Adams and Martin MacGuinness
belong to the same organisation as Patrick Hackett.
But then Menachem Begin went on to be a successful Israeli politician,
notwithstanding what he did at Deir Yassin.
So it's the way the world works. Ex-terrorist politicians are par for
the course.
But don't forget.
Gerry Adams and Martin MacGuinness come from the same litter as
Patrick Hackett.
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PATRICK HACKETT
Patrick Hackett is the man who never was. Nobody wants to talk about
him. He’s an embarrassment to all.
In the 1970s, Dotty O’Connell, IRA boss in Dublin, was recruiting
ignorant, impressionable young southern Irish boys to go over to
London to blow up as many innocent civilians as possible, as part of
their ‘struggle for freedom’….
At about 4.30 pm one sunny day in 1975, Patrick Hackett got onto the
‘underground’ train at a northern terminal, Upminster, carrying a
bomb
timed to explode later in central London in a crowded carriage at the
height of the rush hour (with Patrick Hackett intending to be at a
safe distance from it). A few miles outside Upminster, the bomb
started to smoke and exploded prematurely, as Patrick Hackett
desperately threw it away from him toward the other end of the
carriage. The train stopped between stations. Patrick Hackett ran
away, covered in blood. When locals approached him to try to help
him,
he pointed a gun at them screaming: “English bastards.”
Patrick Hackett did time in an English jail, minus an arm and a leg.
This raises some interesting questions.
You know how high above the ground those London trains are. Between
stations, with no platform, it’s a bit difficult to get out of them,
and then to run away, especially if you are so badly injured that you
later are judged by doctors to need amputation of an arm and a leg.
You see the contradiction. How did Patrick Hackett get out of the
train between stations and run away, if he was so badly injured that
he later needed an arm and a leg amputated?
He was under police guard when taken to hospital. Nod nod, wink wink.
If his bomb had gone off in a crowded carriage in central London, as
he intended, many innocent people would have lost arms and legs. Nod
nod, wink wink.
I often used those London trains in the 1970s. Although I’m a man who
can get agitated about corruption and injustice, I’ve not shed any
tears over Patrick Hackett’s arm and leg. I doubt if any civil
rights / malpractice lawyer or campaigner, of whatever nationality,
would want to complain on his behalf, then or now. It’s a taboo
subject. Not much fun being Patrick Hackett, the man who never was,
the man who is only an embarrassment to everybody.
Special Care
> On May 16, 3:40 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, ideally I should have just posted thePatrickHackettstory - as
> > quoted below - without reference to any other discussion.
>
> > belong to the same organisation asPatrickHackett.
>
> > But then Menachem Begin went on to be a successful Israeli politician,
> > notwithstanding what he did at Deir Yassin.
>
> > So it's the way the world works. Ex-terrorist politicians are par for
> > the course.
>
> > But don't forget.
>
> >PatrickHackett.
>
> > ========================
> > ========================
>
> >PATRICKHACKETT
>
> >PatrickHackettis the man who never was. Nobody wants to talk about
> > him. He’s an embarrassment to all.
>
> > In the 1970s, Dotty O’Connell, IRA boss in Dublin, was recruiting
> > ignorant, impressionable young southern Irish boys to go over to
> > London to blow up as many innocent civilians as possible, as part of
> > their ‘struggle for freedom’….
>
> > ‘underground’ train at a northern terminal, Upminster, carrying a
> > bomb
> > timed to explode later in central London in a crowded carriage at the
> > safe distance from it). A few miles outside Upminster, the bomb
> > started to smoke and exploded prematurely, asPatrickHackett
> > desperately threw it away from him toward the other end of the
> > carriage. The train stopped between stations.PatrickHackettran
> > away, covered in blood. When locals approached him to try to help
> > him,
> > he pointed a gun at them screaming: “English bastards.”
>
>
> > This raises some interesting questions.
>
> > You know how high above the ground those London trains are. Between
> > stations, with no platform, it’s a bit difficult to get out of them,
> > and then to run away, especially if you are so badly injured that you
> > later are judged by doctors to need amputation of an arm and a leg.
>
> > train between stations and run away, if he was so badly injured that
> > he later needed an arm and a leg amputated?
>
> > He was under police guard when taken to hospital. Nod nod, wink wink.
> > If his bomb had gone off in a crowded carriage in central London, as
> > he intended, many innocent people would have lost arms and legs. Nod
> > nod, wink wink.
>
> > I often used those London trains in the 1970s. Although I’m a man who
> > can get agitated about corruption and injustice, I’ve not shed any
> > rights / malpractice lawyer or campaigner, of whatever nationality,
> > would want to complain on his behalf, then or now. It’s a taboo
> > the man who is only an embarrassment to everybody.
>
>
> It might appear that i posted here on May 13 at 1.12 pm,,
>
> I would like to say that I most certainly did not..
> I have only just discovered this conversation in my group history..
>
> I did not know it was here until a few moments ago,,
>
> Special C seems to have anuther agenda and I am not too sure what it
> is he wants ...
>
> But this thread was created without any contribution from myself until
> now..
>
> Not quite sure what is going on here
>
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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No great harm is done. Just someone with computer savvy having a bit
of fun, by the looks of things.
As for me, I object to the sickening hypocrisy of ex-terrorist
"statesmen," from Eamon de Valera to Menachem Begin to Gerry
Adams....always condemning terrorism.
What's your agenda?
Rupert Bear
Im not sure,, I need my world to make sense again,,
Truth to be the known as truth an not fiction..
You said people do not know me,, well i made it possible for them to
know something about me..
I do listen...
I give them time to understand that I am just a guy,,
But I am seriously tired of all your ridiculous ideas about babies
bottoms an
something special that happened ten thousand years ago when the truth
is
in fact written in stone an rocks an geology an fossils..
Throw it out the window sunshine,, it aint workin for anyone cept
loonys,,
Perhaps that is what you want..
Do not associate me with your stuff,, I have more than enough
problems
of my own as it is..
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Special Care
take full and sole responsibility for them and can state my case in
any forum. You and others were never forced to read them.
As for that hacking job........ well when Mr Noel O'Gara was posting
on these pages, it was clear that elements associated with the West
Yorkshire Police were targeting him for hysterical responses, which
finally prompted Mr Noel O'Gara to post only to moderated discussions.
The same retired cops with nothing better to do may have targeted you
with that hacking job.
When I started using the internet in 1999, I understood that there is
no privacy here and never expected much privacy.
Rupert Bear
> I never tried to associate anyone else with my healing documents. I
> take full and sole responsibility for them and can state my case in
> any forum. You and others were never forced to read them.
>
OK,, I remarked rather carlessly..?
Perhaps you do not set out to associate ,, you are entitled to
your opinions just the same as anyone else..
From my point of view ,,
that the only person willing to speak on the subject
is also accompanied with a lot of highly undesirable baggage..
Is a bit like havin the snake venom an serum mixed together..
I find it the situation rather irritating,, but as I can do nothing
about it,,
I wish I had not mentioned it now...
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Special Care
> the only person willing to speak on the subject
> is also accompanied with a lot of highly undesirable baggage..
>
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.......the subject being The Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.
A Forbidden Subject.
https://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/msg/e5f082ebd5c4c6e1?hl=en
Special Care
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A primitive, backward, unevolved species such as humanity is unable to
apply rational thought to its survivalist archetypes.
Hence the trans-generational perpetuation of humanity’s collective
mental illness.
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Special Care
Provisional IRA into "cells" to make it more difficult for the
securtity forces to beat information out of terrified prisoners in
Castlereigh.
"Need to know basis."
A simple principle of guerilla warfare.
But the IRA had not applied that principle till Gerry Adams took
control of the IRA in the 1980s.
In such manner Gerry Adams contributed to the murder and maiming of
many human beings. Wrecked lives.
I don't want to read his writings.
I already know what his writings contain, and I would find them
boring.
He disgusts me.
Gerry Adams and Patrick Hackett were born of the same BITCH.
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PATRICK HACKETT
Patrick Hackett is the man who never was. Nobody wants to talk about
him. He’s an embarrassment to all.
In the 1970s, Dotty O’Connell, IRA boss in Dublin, was recruiting
ignorant, impressionable young southern Irish boys to go over to
London to blow up as many innocent civilians as possible, as part of
their ‘struggle for freedom’….
At about 4.30 pm one sunny day in 1975, Patrick Hackett got onto the
‘underground’ train at a northern terminal, Upminster, carrying a
bomb
timed to explode later in central London in a crowded carriage at the
height of the rush hour (with Patrick Hackett intending to be at a
safe distance from it). A few miles outside Upminster, the bomb
started to smoke and exploded prematurely, as Patrick Hackett
desperately threw it away from him toward the other end of the
carriage. The train stopped between stations. Patrick Hackett ran
away, covered in blood. When locals approached him to try to help
him,
he pointed a gun at them screaming: “English bastards.”
Patrick Hackett did time in an English jail, minus an arm and a leg.
This raises some interesting questions.
You know how high above the ground those London trains are. Between
stations, with no platform, it’s a bit difficult to get out of them,
and then to run away, especially if you are so badly injured that you
later are judged by doctors to need amputation of an arm and a leg.
You see the contradiction. How did Patrick Hackett get out of the
train between stations and run away, if he was so badly injured that
he later needed an arm and a leg amputated?
He was under police guard when taken to hospital. Nod nod, wink wink.
If his bomb had gone off in a crowded carriage in central London, as
he intended, many innocent people would have lost arms and legs. Nod
nod, wink wink.
I often used those London trains in the 1970s. Although I’m a man who
can get agitated about corruption and injustice, I’ve not shed any
tears over Patrick Hackett’s arm and leg. I doubt if any civil
rights / malpractice lawyer or campaigner, of whatever nationality,
would want to complain on his behalf, then or now. It’s a taboo
subject. Not much fun being Patrick Hackett, the man who never was,
the man who is only an embarrassment to everybody.
=======================================================
Rupert Bear
OK you wanna be the fool on the hill..
I got that...
But I wanna ask serious questions an i only have the fool to ask..
Why did Moureen Lea appear out of the woodwork
only a year or so ago..
Why did they not use her testimoney when they
were crucifing Sutty..
She has been kept secret till now..Why was that,,??
She is one of the very few that will have had a good look at her
attacker..
And not one single word in all that time until quite recently...
Why do you think that was..
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Special Care
This is an unusual thread with several subjects mixed in. This
happened because the case of Patrick Hackett connects to your story of
medical malpractice.
Actually, I doubt if you could find anyone who would say it was
malpractice to saw off Patrick Hackett’s arm and leg, considering what
he intended to do to innocent human beings in a crowded train carriage
in central London that sunny evening. ‘General’ Dotty O’Connell, safe
in his peaceful suburb of Dublin, had a script prepared for the
world’s media that day. It’s sickening to recall Dotty O’Connell’s
habitual triumphant grin and to imagine the words he had prepared for
his press release that summer evening. Mercifully Patrick Hackett’s
bomb exploded prematurely while the train was still on the outskirts
of London, so that he was only an embarrassment to ‘general’ Dotty
O’Connell. Then the good doctors made sure Patrick Hackett would never
carry a bomb again.
Was that medical malpractice?
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MAUREEN LEE
Was she really attacked by Sutcliffe?
Or is she a *ruling group stooge* recruited to give further ‘credence’
to the Sutcliffe myth?
I’m losing interest in the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up, because it’s a
lost cause. I don’t know why Mr Noel O’Gara keeps going. Billy Tracey
must be well dead since the 1980s. A man like him could not have
stayed ‘off the radar’ for all these years. “Sightings” of Billy
Tracey in London remind me of sightings of Elvis or Lord Lucan. If a
man like Billy Tracey disappears, it can only be because he is dead.
All things are connected. Most people are blissfully unaware of how
completely our society is being manipulated by *ruling group stooges*
as I call them. Professional infiltrators or moles are other terms for
them. This was brought into sharp focus in the 1980s by the appearance
of Hans Ruesch on the antivivisection scene, particularly where it
concerned England. The bogus “antivivisection” organisations, who
promote the *fake debate* on vivisection to prevent any progress
toward abolition, were unprepared for Hans Ruesch, and the mask
slipped for a while. The antivivisection movement is completely bogus,
completely controlled by infiltrators / *ruling group stooges*. The
mask slipped. My eyes were opened. I will always be grateful to Hans
Ruesch for teaching me how this civilisation works.
All things are connected. There are other *ruling group stooges* out
there whose job is to promote the Peter Sutcliffe myth, to keep the
lid on the most outrageous and most scandalous police/government
corruption case in British history - the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up.
Perhaps retired cops and retired judges who can be relied on to stick
to the script are employed part time to scour the web for any mention
of the truth about the Yorkshire Ripper case and to oppose it,
sometimes with hysterical mudslinging. Noel O’Gara apparently saw
this, and decided to post only to moderated discussions.
In answer to your question, there are three possibilities about
Maureen Lee:
===========================
1. She is a *ruling group stooge* recruited to bolster the Peter
Sutcliffe myth;
2. She is an independent upstart glory seeker, falsely claiming to
have been assaulted by Sutcliffe for the bliss of media attention. A
bit like Munchausen’s Syndrome, in which people pretend to be sick for
the joy of the attention from ambulance crews and nurses and doctors,
a substitute and compensation for the parenting they never had.
3. She’s genuine but was traumatised by the attack and only in later
life feels able to speak about it. This is not unusual.
==========================
Take your pick. I’d go for number 1, but can’t be sure.
Correct me if I'm missing anything, as I'm losing interest in this
lost cause.
When Jim Hobson is dead, mainstream journalists and crime writers may
feel free to be a bit more realistic about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-
up. Actually oul’ Jim Hobson lives just down the road from me. He’s
welcome to drop in for a cup of tea :) :)
THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE:
Meanwhile, Maureen Lee is slightly interesting but unimportant. What
deserves our attention is the disappearance of John Humble and the
media blackout on John Humble, despite the fact that his disappearance
and the dilemma of how to release him - if ever - comprise one of the
most interesting and newsworthy stories of our time, and could sell an
awful lot of newspapers.
A newspaper is a business, intended to make a profit.
When there’s an interesting story, journalists usually behave like a
swarm of flies hovering around a dunghill.
So why the complete silence on such an interesting and fascinating
story - the disappearance of John Humble in the prison system and the
dilemma concerning how he could be released, if ever…….??
There’s such a thing as a ‘deafening silence.’
Gill Langley, the most prominent bogus ‘antivivisectionist,’ always
maintained a ‘deafening silence’ on the main content of Hans Ruesch’s
books. That was her job.
Now we have another ‘deafening silence’ on the disappearance of John
Humble.
All this helps people to understand - if they are ready to face it -
just how false our civilisation is………a civilisation built on *fake
debates* intended to eclipse and conceal reality.
“Always the non-essential, never the essential,” as Wilhelm Reich
lamented in “Listen, Little Man!”
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http://www.yorkshireripper.com/lea.htm
Special Care
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Why did you suddenly bring up the subject of Maureen Lea?
What has been said recently?
Can you give me a link?
I’m an old man and I’m not as interested as I was in this subject, but
it remains the most fascinating and most scandalous real crime /
police-government corruption case in British history.
I looked at Yallop’s book, “Deliver us from Evil,” page 341 of the
Corgi paperback edition, 1993, where he just states briefly that Peter
Sutcliffe should be questioned about the attempted murder of Maureen
Lea in Leeds on 25 October 1980.
But why did the subject come up now? Please enlighten me.
I remain bewildered by the fact that the Irishman David Yallop, “the
greatest investigative writer in the world,” could have missed the
frequent reports in the media during 1978-80 stating that the West
Yorkshire Police were looking for not one but TWO men in connection
with that series of killings, as confirmed in the Ron Warren - Noel
O’Gara interview (youtube). David Yallop is a brilliant man. So how
did he miss that fundamental FACT about the Yorkshire Ripper case?
Well, as we used to say in Dublin, the only answer
is..................
.............because David Yallop is a fuckin’ eejit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU
Rupert Bear
> Further replying to "Rupert Bear" -
>
> ============================================================
>
> Why did you suddenly bring up the subject of Maureen Lea?
> What has been said recently?
> Can you give me a link?
Nothing new has been said about Moureen Lea,,,and I cannot find
the video links to her talking about her attack anymore..
It seems to have been deleted,, though I did find where it was
originaly posted..
I watched her talk about it many times and could detect very little,
if any arifice,, It is not possible to be certain but I think I
believe her account..
Given that I do not believe Sutty is the ripper,, and that there has
clearly been a long standing suggestion of a missing accomplice or
another man..
Indeed the contents of the letters require that another person was
involved if Sutty was guilty as charged..
But this complication did not come up in court did it,,
So I ask what has she been hiding from all these years and why does
she come out of the closet now..
Or to put it another way,, why has she been hidden all these years,,
and becomes available now...
After all,, with Sutty safely tucked up in pokey she had had nothing
to fear,,,??????
The story is that she is raising money for victims,, fair enough,, but
she could have been doing that years ago..
Her story,, (from memory) ,, was that she was approached by a person
who spoke to her as if he knew her,,
and she looked round and saw him,, and realised she did not know him
from Adam..
She saw the guy walking towards her and sensed danger to the extent
that she hitched up her skirts and ran for her life...
A very healthy reaction from a bright young girl,, and it saved her
life i would think,, because she got
near enough to someone who disturbed her attacker..
She was lucky and was not so seriously injured as some of the other
survivors..
I think she must have had a good look at the guy and has been able to
remember his face,,
because she could even remember the words he spoke to her,, I saw her
relate her story from memory, on video
and as i say,, I think i believe her account,, the discription of her
attacker was not mentioned..
If she was attacked by Sutty,, then she was a primary witness,, same
as Marilyn Moore,, and I think
Rita Ritka too,, Moureen Long was another who saw the guy and she said
he had fair hair..
an they were all missing from Suttys trial and subseqent news
reports...
No one ever stood up in court at suttys trial and said thats the guy
who attacked me...
Humble is still missing today,, and no one even raises an eyebrow in
the press..??
we are missing crucial witnesses and no one is asking questions..
Why..
I think there was an expectation at the time of Suttys conviction,,
that another person was going to be found and witnesses who could
identify this man were
kept quiet,, protected or kept out of reach..
But because they had been lead astray with the N/E lead,, they failed
dismally to identifiy the other man,,
and found themselves stuck up a gum tree with no way back..
Cept for the likes of mrs curry an noel, the hunt for the other man
could not officially be made known..
Only as a suspect for the N/E letters and Mrs Harrison in Preston,,
and as Suttys Secret Sunderland Chum,,??
and much has been made of this over the years,, also destined to
fail..
Then all of a sudden the transparent false conviction of Humble
occurs,,
and even the dead man Smythe manage'es to
magically confess from the Grave..
OH Yeah,, somebody really wants it to be all over and dun with,,
bridges have been burned and well and truly now,,
they could not prosecute the other guy even if they did find him,,
not even for Preston..
My History in this matter is that..
I drove all the way to Leeds in 1980,, to try an tell them about my
cousin,, but they would not listen because he was not a Geordie..
Miss Hill was killed four days later an everyone was left wondering
why the
Ripper had come back.. I had kicked up such a stink back then they
checked me out..
At the time I was certain it was my cousin and had come to suspect
that his wife
knew about it too,, it was very difficult for me to deal with,, as
murder
an killin was not a familiar thing in my life..
Thirty odd years later my dna was taken,, and it was only about a
year or so later that Humble closed the NE connection..
I was vaguely aware of Humble in the news as i pursued my medical
malpractice case..
My failed dispute with the GPs broke me to zero and as i tried to
accept loosing my home
and move into my mothers I found a handwriting sample I would wish to
have found
in 1980... A card with his signature,, and it matches the so-called
hoax letters from the N/E
in appearance and time..
My cousin who died 16 years ago is beyond the reach of any legal
process..
I made everything I know available to the Lancs Police from the
beginning of 2009..
Inevitably the handwriting sample an all the rest will have been
forwarded to Leeds..
And I waited in hope for normal Police behaviour,, arresting the
crimms sort of thing
for a while.. But it is not gonna happen that way,, now i know..
All I can say is that thanks to the internet a lot more info has been
made available to me
and i have been able to piece things together a lot better..
There is no doubt in my mind that his wife had known from the start
(75) and
has been a secret hidden advantage,, the clever sensitive one,,
his shield and the reason why they could not catch him..
Marilyn Moore was the only one who saw him waving to her..
As she will have acompanied him on a number of occassions,, her
involvment became greater,,
she almost certainly was the last person to look into the living eyes
of of the last few girls
as he whacked them from behind..
Jayne Macdonald too I think,, and this Rippers wife still lives freely
today..
To the south west,, in the opposite direction from where the letters
lead the Police..
She is in her fifties now and available to answer..If anyone was to
ask..??
I think it may only be the familys of the victims and some surviving
victims who can
demand justice truth and honesty in this matter..
But the whole country was made a victim of the Rippers reign back
then,,
and we are all still living with the consequences now..
I would like them to consider the consequence of the endless
secrecey,,
their are others who need to hear the truth,,
Truth hidden from the public was one of the reasons they could not get
him/them..
I found a blood sample in his caravan,, which was in my garden back
then,, and I sent it off to find out what
type it was,, i got a result which told me it was not A/B,, and this
was the blood type
I was lead to believe was the rippers..
So when I was confronted with that indisputable fact(as I thought) i
now had two
highly relevant facts (his voice and the blood type) which appeared to
eliminated him..
I had to give it up despite my beliefs,, I had no other option..
Facts were very thin on the ground during Suttys trial an conviction
and as I live outside the targeted areas,, it has taken thirty odd
years for me to discover
the truth about the blood type was that they wer looking for type B..
The Geordie voice is now the one and only thing that does not fit with
my cousin
and Oldfields Ripper case of 79/80..
And in retrospect one should ask ,, why send a tape in the first
place,,
It was manna from heaven when they went chasin after that voice like
that,,
and that was when she got pregnant and they started to arrange a new
life and a move up here..
Their future was secured until he came to live with me for a while..
The Ripper case really was over..!
But she was stuck with her parents in Preston and the new baby,, and
he was on his own without
his shield for the first time.. They bought a house up here and were
about to move in..
but he gave himself away while he was staying with me,,
it ended with them urgently needing to re-awaken
the investigation,, and the search for that Geordie Voice,,
You have no idea what a complete and utter barrier that voice was,,
every single living soul thought he was from Sunderland,,cept me..
It was only ever an assumption,,why send a voice,, and even more
to the point,, why could they not find him...??
There must be thousands of coppers who spent thankless years trudging
round on that case
just to name a few who deserve to hear the truth..
Believe what you see and can figure for yourselves cos the truth is
very hard come by in this matter..
Why did Miss Lea not come forward till thirty years later,,?
well maybe she now knows the person she could identify is dead and
no longer a threat..
But how much do they know about the missing missus...
I wonder..
nuther...
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Rupert Bear
> On Jun 13, 2:05 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Further replying to "Rupert Bear" -
>
> round on that case
> just to name a few who deserve to hear the truth..
>
> Believe what you see and can figure for yourselves cos the truth is
> very hard come by in this matter..
>
>
> New Link..
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Another thing about Mo Lea was that her description did not tally with
a bearded attacker...
Brannen records this,, and even though he is clearly a staunch
supporter of the official line,,
I think he gives a pretty fair chronology and knows a bit more about
things than he lets on..
Olive Curry has had appeals out for anyone who can remember ever seing
Sutty without a beard,,
and there are no records of that ever being the case during the
periods required..
Marilin Moore,, "unshaven appearance " was all she said,,,,thought he
might be from Liverpool,,
Sutty was always nicely quiffed up with a permanent jet black beard..
Same with Mo Long description,, a fair haired man who spoke funnily,,
not local,,!!
Sutty does not damm well fit with any of the primary witness
descriptions,, until you start adding in the likes of claxton
who was never considered a ripper victim till after sutty was
arrested..
Thw whole thing stinks,,, they put his mind on trial and avoided all
the inconvenient facts...
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Special Care
discussed on a thread with the title Gerry Adams = Patrick Hackett.
What is the difference between Gerry Adams and the Yorkshire Ripper?
When Mr Noel O'Gara was posting on these pages on this subject, he
attracted an army of foul-mouthed detractors.
Now it's just you and me.
Why?
Paul Cummins
special...@gmail.com (Special Care) wrote:
> When Mr Noel O'Gara was posting on these pages on this subject, he
> attracted an army of foul-mouthed detractors.
What pages? There are no pages here...
--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
Special Care
>
> Why did Miss Lea not come forward till thirty years later,,?
> well maybe she now knows the person she could identify is dead and
> no longer a threat..
>
> But how much do they know about the missing missus...
>
> I wonder..
>
> nuther...
>
> ...........................
Well, you know that person and we don't, so it's difficult to
comment.
What you demonstrated about the handwriting is very convincing. It was
very distinctive handwriting. One wonders how it was not recognised at
the time by a friend or work colleague.
The same applies to the voice on the tape. How was he not found?
Because he was already dead?
It's a fascinating case, and the Peter Sutcliffe myth is the greatest
police-government corruption scandal in history. That is why no one
will believe it...... yet..... but after James Hobson is dead, maybe
people will start to think straight about it.
Rupert Bear
Suspicion of a person does not begin with handwriting,,
it is something you would look for only after suspicion has been
aroused,,
Rather oddly i was just on about that ten mins ago..
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Friends and work mates have very little access to a persons
handwriting
in the normal way of things.. And when you think about it,, if you
were the author
of those letters you would be very unlikely to be making your
handwriting easily available,,
In my scenario the wife is responsible for almost all correspondence,,
which is also a pretty
common way of things in married life..
As far as the voice not being recognised,,, I would think it probably
was,, or at the very least
someone thought it sounded just like the dead relative or friend.. But
it would be a very difficult situation
for the person concerned.. People have a tremendous capacity for
denial when the facts present
a difficult path to follow,, and even if they did believe what they
could hear and know for themselves...
One should then take that a step further and try to imagine the
situation where a recently
berieved and grief-stricken mother goes to the cops and tries to
explain it is her dead sons voice on
the tape,, cops have pretty thick skins at the best of times and the
Ripper cops heard every lamentable story you could imagine..
They would probably think,, here we go again,,, another grief stricken
old dear,,
this one has lost her son and is imagining things and worring herself
sick unnecessarily....
You know, there are certain barriers of perception to be broken down
before any copper
would even begin to consider her claims.. and in the Ripper case the
colossal public responce
had worn the cops down to a very cyincal bunch of "heard it all
before" hero's...
Action taken,,,, crank file,,, Id put money on it..
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Rupert Bear
>
> Action taken,,,, crank file,,, Id put money on it..
>
> ..........................................................
OK. Lets try anuther scenario..
The couple i have in mind did have a transit van in 1979,,
and they went to the IOM TT that year,, I know this for a fact..
So lets say,, "JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT",, they could have gone
to Castletown IOM,,
and camped there,, where they met up with other bikers..
Perhaps they met a biker from Sunderland,, there would have been many
I think..
And they decided,, this is the guy he will do,, and befriended him,,
and stuck a puncture
in his tire or sabotaged his bike in some way..
Poor ol jack from wearside was now stuck and they offer him a lift
with his bike in the back of the van..
On the journey back they stop in a lonely place and say we want you to
read a message into a
tape machine for us,, and the guy is confronted with a situation
which he does not even begin to understand,,
All he can see is the threat from two people he trusted only a few
minutes earlier,, he is completely off balance and does as he is asked
albeit it reluctantly,, probably the lady was askin,, with the guy
putting the fear into him from the otherside,, he has no option but to
comply.. And then they whack him and chuck him and his bike out of the
back of the van,, and leave him to be discovered as nothing more
sinister than a biker who came off his bike..
About a month later the tape recorded voice is broadcast far and wide
and a relative of this guy recognises his voice..
Whats he gonna do,,?? check his handwriting against the posters,, it
wont match,,
Find out what his blood group is ,, that is also very unlikelly to
match..
Try to figure when and where he was over the relevant dates and find
they don't match either..
The point is,, that unless you should happen to have a tape recording
of this guy's voice,,
there will not be one single thing that could possibly substantiate
your claims..
You will be percieved as a waffelin hyper wanker by the time you are
ready to tell the cops and probably would not even go to them in the
first place .. And even if you did the first thing they would ask for
is his handwriting and his blood group and the dates where and when he
could possibly have had oppertunity..
Nothing would fit,, and as the local cops would not have been privvy
to all the info available to the likes of oldfield holland hobson and
domaille,, they would only see that you were a waffelin wanker without
any facts to back you up... Nothing would ever come of it,,!
I only use the biker in the IOM as possible example here,, I happen to
think the same theory works better when the couple go directly to
Sunderland and pick up an innocent punter there in anuther very simple
manner..
Much easier for a couple to do than you might think at first.. And i
did find the name of a name of a guy who died in slightly suspicious
circumstance in castletown at exactly the right time to fit with all
this..
Ive got my money on him..
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Special Care
>
> Much easier for a couple to do than you might think at first.. And i
> did find the name of a name of a guy who died in slightly suspicious
> circumstance in castletown at exactly the right time to fit with all
> this..
>
> Ive got my money on him..
You've typed a lot of interesting stuff. You deserve to be heard.
However, the sad reality is that the Gregg v. O'Gara juryless / appeal-
less libel 'judgment' is stifling realistic discussion on a matter
that in some way defines the British character.
It remains remarkable that there is total silence in the media on John
Humble and no realistic mention of him on the internet, when the story
of the disappearance of John Humble is one of the most newsworthy of
our time................
Yes, if a man has a house and a car and a job and a wife and a child,
he will be very frightened of a libel accusation against him, It could
leave him bankrupt and homeless and wifeless and deprived of contact
with his children - which is a sad limitation on freedom of expression
in this country and in others.
But there are plenty of users of the web who have no reason to fear a
libel accusation, and they too are silent on the disappearance of John
Humble.... Why?
I don't spend much time on line now. I prefer it that way. I'll try to
evaluate what you've written as best I can and reply later.
Rupert Bear
> On Jun 25, 2:02 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Much easier for a couple to do than you might think at first.. And i
> > did find the name of a name of a guy who died in slightly suspicious
> > circumstance in castletown at exactly the right time to fit with all
> > this..
>
> > Ive got my money on him..
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> It remains remarkable that there is total silence in the media on John
> Humble and no realistic mention of him on the internet, when the story
> of the disappearance of John Humble is one of the most newsworthy of
> our time................
The Humble pickle must be tied up with some legal mumbo jumbo...
The woolies must think it is more important for the public to to have
rubarb an custard ,, than truth and integrity..
...................................................................................................
>
> Yes, if a man has a house and a car and a job and a wife and a child,
> he will be very frightened of a libel accusation against him, It could
> leave him bankrupt and homeless and wifeless and deprived of contact
> with his children ....
AS YOU NEVER CEASE TO REMIND EVERYONE..
This is gettin realy tiresome from you...!!!!!!!
do you have other motives/adjenda,,?
> But there are plenty of users of the web who have no reason to fear a
> libel accusation, and they too are silent on the disappearance of John
> Humble.... Why?
>
Well the OG circus kinda wore them all out, I think..
An lacking any other reasonable explanation,,
what was the point..
However,, Ive been quietly workin
away on the handwriting angle..
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You’ve written quite a lot there.
To be honest, my interest in the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up has
diminished and I am starting to forget some of the details, which is
regrettable, as there is a need to keep the story alive, the story of
the fact that it’s a cover-up, I mean. You are perhaps the foremost
expert on the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up now.
My interest is waning because I just know that no progress is going to
be made, because it’s too big. The Yorkshire Ripper cover-up is the
greatest police/government corruption scandal in British history.
People like the Socialist Workers Party, and independent maverick
journalists such as John Pilger and his imitators, can cope with
exposing *small lies*. But not Big Lies. All these investigative
heroes of our time are terrified when confronted with a BIG LIE such
as the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up.
Hitler and Stalin used to say: tell the people BIG LIES. If you tell
small lies they will challenge them, but if you tell BIG LIES, they
will be terrified of the implications of challenging them.
That is why the Old Bag who ordered Ronald Gregory and George Oldfield
into the Fake Press Conference knew that the citizenry of England
would be afraid to challenge the obvious contradictions in the Peter
Sutcliffe myth. It was a BIG LIE, so she knew she’d get away with it.
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THE PLAGUE OF ICE-COLD EAST EUROPEAN WOMEN OF MATURE AGE:
The telephone lines between Leeds and London were at melting point
after Peter Sutcliffe forced his arrest in his desperation to get into
institutional care, and indicated a willingness to confess to anything
and everything if only they would keep him permanently at a safe
distance from his frigid, tormenting wife Sonia.
Peter Sutcliffe would have confessed to being the Devil himself to get
at a safe distance from Sonia.
That is one of the many *blind spots* in the Yorkshire Ripper case.
When a man displays fake number plates on his car, in this case
meaning number plates registered to a different make of vehicle, and
then picks up a prostitute and parks in a place where police often
check on parked cars…and the first thing they do is verify the number
plates….that is the behaviour of a man desperate to be arrested and
placed in long-term institutional care.
I understand Sutcliffe to that degree, because I spent some time in
Eastern Europe, spoke to women of mature age there, and had a
relationship with an East European woman of about the same age as
Sonia. TRIED to have a relationship with her, that is. As a rule
they’re even worse than Irish women of that age. So Peter Sutcliffe
had good reason for forcing his arrest so as to be at a safe distance
from Sonia.
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ORDERS FROM THE TOP:
The Fake Press Conference would not have happened without Margaret
Thatcher’s direct authorisation.
Consider the enormity of that Fake Press Conference.
For two years the West Yorkshire Police had been publishing statements
that there were not one but TWO men committing the Yorkshire Ripper
killings. Now they were faced with the opportunity to accept
Sutcliffe’s confessions to all the killings, leaving the REAL
Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing, thus violating the right to
life of every woman in England, the police and the government then
being accessories to all future murders committed by the REAL
Yorkshire Ripper.
Approval for police/government deception/corruption on such an
unprecedented scale had to come from the very top. They would have
been afraid to go ahead with something so vast and unprecedented
without the Old Bag’s approval.
The woman had involved herself quite intimately in the case.
The West Yorkshire Police were about to commit the most scandalous and
most outrageous crime of police/government corruption in all of
British history - the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up.
They would not have done it, they would not have ordered Ronald
Gregory and George Oldfield into the Fake Press Conference, without
Margaret Thatcher’s say-so.
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THE OLD BAG WANTED TO BE ABLE TO STAND ALONGSIDE RON REAGAN IN THEIR
GLORIOUS MEDIA CIRCUS, WITHOUT ANY DANGER OF SOME UPSTART REPORTER
FROM AUSTRALIA POPPING UP AND ASKING THE OLD BAG WHEN WOULD THE LIMEY/
POMMY KEYSTONE COPS GET AROUND TO CATCHING THE YORKSHIRE RIPPER.
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The telephone lines between Leeds and London nearly melted on those
cold winter days in early January 1981.
And then finally the word came down from the Queen of Heaven, the Old
Bag………. and Ronald Gregory and George Oldfield were ordered into the
Fake Press Conference. Their FAKE SMILES were painfully embarrassing,
and Oldfield couldn’t keep it up. The mask slipped. In the video
archive, hopefully still available on youtube, Ronald Gregory is seen
effectively ordering George Oldfield to restore his fake smile at the
Fake Press Conference.
The truth about this cannot be spoken by mainstream crime writers and
journalists until both Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are well
dead.
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THE IRISH DIMENSION:
I will not say anything negative about Mr Noel O’Gara. One way or
another he has my admiration and respect. However, he will not co-
operate with you because you are identifying a man other than Billy
Tracey as the main killer during those terrible years.
That Billy Tracey was hanging around Chapeltown during those years in
not in doubt. The police ‘photofit’ of the man seen near the last
sighting of Emily Jackson is ‘as good as a photograph of Billy
Tracey.’
4 APRIL 1979:
Miss Whittaker’s murder is the only one that occurred while Billy
Tracey was in Noel O’Gara’s employ. Noel is honest in stating a very
tight time interval. Tracey stormed out of Noel’s house at 4pm on the
day of Miss Whittaker’s murder, and was with Noel at work again at
noon the next day.
That’s less than a day, about 20 hours, to get from Athlone in the
centre of the island of Ireland, to Dublin airport, then to Manchester
or Leeds airport, then to Halifax, then searching for and finding a
lone woman to murder, then all the way back to the centre of Ireland,
all in 20 hours. Noel insists it can be done using taxis. I know it’s
possible. But it stretches the credulity of the average reader.
Given the short time interval admitted by Noel, we have to ask: why
would Billy Tracey go to Halifax?
Huddersfield in January 1978 we can understand, because it was where
George Oldfield lived.
But in that tight 20-hour time frame, why would Billy Tracey have
taken a taxi from Manchester or Leeds airport all the way to Halifax?
I admit it’s possible, using taxis and if flights were available.
And also we should not expect a man such as Billy Tracey to conform to
our notions of logic.
But because of the tight 20-hour time window, and the illogic of
seeking a victim in Halifax when it would have been so much easier to
do so in the airport towns, Manchester or Leeds, in the available time
- the average reader will be sceptical about Billy Tracey being the
killer of Miss Whittaker.
Also, given the narrow time window, Tracey would have caught a taxi
back to either Leeds or Manchester airport from somewhere near the
crime scene - a very unusual request to a taxi driver. When the news
of Miss Whittaker’s murder broke the following morning, wouldn’t the
taxi driver have thought about it?
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Neither you or Noel can prove your charges beyond doubt, although both
of you can make a convincing case.
Furthermore, the West Yorkshire Police wrote their bogus script after
Sutcliffe’s arrest and will never deviate from that script.
The woman you mention as being the accomplice of the Ripper will not
be questioned by the police no matter what you say to them.
The only gesture toward justice that you can achieve would be for you
to name her publicly as Noel named Billy Tracey publicly.
Sadly you say you’ve already lost your home in the failed medical
malpractice case, so maybe you need have no fear of a libel action.
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MAUREEN LEA and OLIVE CURRY
I don’t regard either of these women as important. What they have to
say is interesting but non-essential.
We all accept that Peter Sutcliffe was a dangerous serial killer. But
his modus operandi and his blood type were different from those of the
Yorkshire Ripper.
As to why Maureen Lea did not come forward until 25 years later…..this
is not unusual. People often repress the thought of traumatic
incidents that occur in early life, and then find the capacity to deal
with the memories only in middle age or old age. No mystery there.
Just basic human psychology.
[It’s a separate discussion but slightly relevant and illustrative:
the boys who were beaten black and blue, and some of them buggered, in
Artane Boys Home, Dublin, by the Irish Christian Brothers in the
1960s, could find the capacity to protest articulately and to seek
some legal redress only in the 1990s.]
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AXIOMS
I’m one for starting a debate by isolating core essential truths, non-
disputable essentials. AXIOMS is another term for it.
It is AXIOMATIC that there were not one but TWO men committing the
series of murders during 1975 - 1980 known as the Yorkshire Ripper
killings. The numerous newspaper reports to that effect during 1978 -
80, plus the Ron Warren - Noel O’Gara video interview, confirm that
there were not one but two men involved.
That is a non-disputable AXIOM.
It is useful to approach this subject (and any other disagreement too)
by first establishing the non-disputable AXIOMS.
On that basis, it is equally AXIOMATIC that the Yorkshire Ripper cover-
up is the most scandalous and most outrageous police/government
corruption case in British history.
In particular, we can say that Margaret Thatcher is implicated in the
murders committed by the Yorkshire Ripper after Peter Sutcliffe’s
arrest.
But it’s a BIG LIE, so our heroic “investigative writers” lack the
guts to face it.
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PARALLEL UNIVERSES
After Peter Sutcliffe forced his arrest, in his desperation to get
away from Sonia, THE SCRIPT CHANGED.
From then on, a FAKE AXIOM was created, the FAKE AXIOM that there was
only ONE Yorkshire Ripper, whereas before Sutcliffe’s arrest the
police and the media had been saying repeatedly for two years that
there were TWO Yorkshire Rippers.
From then on, all the evidence contradicting the Peter Sutcliffe myth
was systematically ignored by the police and the courts and the
media.
And because it was a BIG LIE, and not a little lie, all the
campaigning heroes of our time such as the SWP, Green Anarchist,
Liberty, Joanna Lumley, Peter Tatchell, Melanie Philipps…….and so on,
who are so eloquent and so angelic when exposing *small lies* …
remained silent about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up because all these
useless bums lack the guts to deal with BIG LIES such as the Yorkshire
Ripper cover-up.
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Other than that, I can only say that you’ve done a brilliant job, and
your work, and Mr Noel O’Gara’s work, will be cynically and
shamelessly plagiarised and recycled for vast profits by mainstream
crime writers and TV documentary makers AFTER Margaret Thatcher and
Jim Hobson are well dead and the threat of a libel suit has receded.
Rupert Bear
> Reply to “Rupert Bear” re the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> of you can make a convincing case.
Noels case is not so convincing to a decerning eye..
> Furthermore, the West Yorkshire Police wrote their bogus script after
> Sutcliffe’s arrest and will never deviate from that script.
Somebody still wanted the real killer/s..
>
> The woman you mention as being the accomplice of the Ripper will not
> be questioned by the police no matter what you say to them...
I would like to believe there are people who would require answers..
>
> The only gesture toward justice that you can achieve would be for you
> to name her publicly as Noel named Billy Tracey publicly.
Nuther useless circus,, you mean..?
>
> Sadly you say you’ve already lost your home in the failed medical
> malpractice case, so maybe you need have no fear of a libel action.
>
Truth is not libel,, or at least it should not be..
You raise so many different different aspects it is difficult for me
to deal with
them all at once..
I cut to this paragraph to correct you on a particular point..
One advantage I have when talking about true life experiences is that
I have a good idea of what i have said/related about true events...
You say that I stated that i have lost my home...
This is not true at this time..
What I have stated on a number of occasions is that
I had "resigned myself to loosing my home",, because of the
repercussions of a failed medical malpractise claim..
It did not in fact come to pass as yet that I have lost my home,,
I am typing from it right now..
I have mentioned this situation several times because
in anticipation of loosing my home I started to clear space
in my mothers house for me to move into..
AND THAT WAS WHEN I STARTED TO FIND THE OLD CARDS
AND LETTERS WITH PETES SIGNATURES..
For thirty years I had this nagging profound belief quietly niggling
away in the back of my mind that despite all I was being told by
the courts and papers, I still believed my cousin was the Ripper...
I had never spoken to anyone about it for years,, and yet it was now
being bandied about by my own family as evidence that I had a
mental disorder and that my claims against the doctors were a figment
of that mental disorder..
There is a new dimension to injustice in my claims.
I explored the net re Ripper stuff and found Brannen OG, yourself
and many others still going on about it..
I found information that had not been available to me
thirty years earlier,, and not one single thing to
say I was wrong,, except the voice,,
that is the way it has allways been..
And the voice (or inability to find the voice) was the problem with
Oldfields originonal Ripper enquirey,,, the reason why it all came to
grief,,
I could see that my problems were the scratch for Oldfields
itch as it were..
The glove that fitted the hand,, I do not twist and contort the
facts to fit a theorim like OG's Tracy nonsence..
My story does not insult the intelligence of rational
thinking,, It simply accepts and interperets the known facts of the
case and gives an understandable resolution..
My story is based on true events known to me,, and the
inevitable conclusion is that the spouce was an active
accomplice in the series of murders known as the
Yorkshire Ripper case,, and in fact was a very clever
tacticion in the play of events which
terrorized most of norhtern england for several years..
I do not see that a murderer should go free because
it is politically emabarresing for the powers that be..
The clowns that dreamed up the Humble pickle
to feed to the beasts are the ones that should be in the
doghouse,, not me..
There are even bigger issues here,,
That we can be force fed rhubarb an custard
till the cows come home to is mega
in our so-called free society...
Handwriting evidence is acceptable evidence in court
as far as I know,, and i felt I had a better chance of
revealing the truth about my old beliefs
(which were being used against me re my med med malpractice case)
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Than I did about what my sister in law had been up to
with the doctors I wanted to sue...
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Special Care
It's possible for a drinker to feel a great sympathy for John Humble.
It was so easy.
John Humble was a 'soft target.'
Where is John Humble now?
They can never realease him, just as they can never realease Peter
Sutcliffe.
If Peter Sutcliffe and John Humble are ever realeased, they will
immediately start blabbing about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up.
So Peter Sutcliffe and John Humble will never be released.
Special Care
>
> > The only gesture toward justice that you can achieve would be for you
> > to name her publicly as Noel named Billy Tracey publicly.
>
> Nuther useless circus,, you mean..?
>
===============
I wouldn't be the same as what you call the OG circus.
There was a definite agenda there to ridicule Noel O'Gara with an army
of hysterical detractors appearing on these discussion groups whenever
he posted. It didn't come from nowhere. Eventually Mr O'Gara decided
to post only on moderated discussions.
Considering that you believe that woman to be the accomplice in some
atrocious murders, the pain of which is still tormenting the
families..... and that there is no hope of convicting her in the
courts because of the authorities' absolute dedication to the Peter
Sutcliffe myth..... if you name her and shame her, making her aware
that you have done so.......you will at least have the satisfaction of
having forced that degree of justice on her.
I do not mean this in any prurient, voyeuristic sense. I don't want to
influence you one way or another. I'm just stating what the options
are, and the fact that sometimes 'naming and shaming' a wrongdoer is
as far as you can go in a quest for justice. But you need to be sure
first that you are either very rich or very poor, as only the very
rich or the very poor have nothing to fear from a libel accusation - a
sad commentary on the state of freedom of expression in the so-called
democracies.
That libel - actual libel - should be prohibited is axiomatic. But the
balance is all in the favour of the accused now.
Rupert Bear.
......................
>
> There must be thousands of coppers who spent thankless years trudging
> round on that case
> just to name a few who deserve to hear the truth..
>
> Believe what you see and can figure for yourselves cos the truth is
> very hard come by in this matter..
>
> http://s867.photobucket.com/album.......... DEFUNCT LINK....
SORRY..
>
> Why did Miss Lea not come forward till thirty years later,,?
> well maybe she now knows the person she could identify is dead and
> no longer a threat..
>
> But how much do they know about the missing missus...
>
> I wonder..
>
>
> nuther...
>
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Rupert Bear.
>> > No one ever stood up in court at suttys trial and said thats the guy
>> > who attacked me...
>>
>> > Humble is still missing today,, and no one even raises an eyebrow in
>> > the press..??
>> > we are missing crucial witnesses and no one is asking questions..
>> > Why..
>>
>> > I think there was an expectation at the time of Suttys conviction,,
>> > that another person was going to be found and witnesses who could
>> > identify this man were
>> > kept quiet,, protected or kept out of reach..
>>
>> > But because they had been
>>
>> > My History in this matter is that..
>> > I drove all the way to Leeds in 1980,, to try an tell them about my
>> > cousin,, but they would not listen because he was not a Geordie..
>> > Miss Hill was killed four days later an everyone was left wondering
>> > why the
>> > Ripper had come back.. I had kicked up such a stink back then they
>> > checked me out..
>
>> > forwarded to Leeds..
>>
>> > And I waited in hope for normal Police behaviour,, arresting the
>> > crimms sort of thing
>> > for a while.. But it is not gonna happen that way,, now i know..
>
> aroused,,
> Rather oddly i was just on about that ten mins ago..
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view¤t=WeDidntLookForDeaduns.jpg
>
>
For a little while now I have been posting here,, on a those that are interested can find it basis..
Watch this space..
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Special Care
Your work will be mercilessly plagiarised by the parasites after
Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are six feet under and the threat
of a libel case recedes.
Yet I have to point again out that you can't prove this beyond all
doubt.
Well, just for the sake of discussion................ IF the West
Yorkshire Police were HONEST and if they arrested the woman you
mention, could you prove your case in court under the rules of British
justice, such as it is.........?
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[I'll just mention again that this important discussion thread has the
title "Gerry Adams=Patrick Hackett=Yorkshire Ripper" on account of the
mixing of two or more slightly related subjects, including the
comparison between your medical malpractice case and the amputation of
Patrick Hackett's arm and leg that evening in London, in spite of the
fact that he was able to get out of a London Underground train between
stations and run away to quite some distance. Yet the doctors said
that evening that Patrick Hackett's arm and leg needed to be
amputated................ It's OK. All things are connected.]
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[The following is reproduced from Google Groups archive:]
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"CLUELESS"
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POOR OLD OLDFIELD
WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
MISLED BY A VOICE
RELEASE OF DRURY
AROUSES FURY
BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
NEXT ON THE LIST
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The above poem was composed by Peter William Sutcliffe
and sent to a local newspaper in Yorkshire in 1979.
By that time, Peter Sutcliffe was desperate to get himself arrested
and placed in long term psychiatric care.
"Bradford was not me" refers to the fact that there were TWO men
committing that series of murders in the north of England during
those terrible years of 1975 to 1980 - those TWO men being the
Yorkshire Ripper and Peter Sutcliffe.
And Peter Sutcliffe was the lesser of the two, the fake, the amateur,
the wimp who could not measure up to the degree of ruthlessness and
cunning displayed by the REAL Yorkshire Ripper.
The West Yorkshire Police were to'ing and fro'ing like headless
chickens during those years............ The Yorkshire Ripper was
clearly the INTELLECTUAL SUPERIOR of the West Yorkshire Police, and
was running rings around them, and the presence of the emotionally
crippled, henpecked woman-hater Peter Sutcliffe on the scene was a
bonus for the Yorkshire Ripper, giving him the means to torment
George Oldfield all the more, and to drive George Oldfield into an
early grave.
POOR OLD OLDFIELD WORKED IN A COLD FIELD.
Poor Old Oldfield.
Look at his fake, false smile, and his fake, false body language.
Poor Old Oldfield [worked in a cold field].
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc&feature=related
Special Care
NO HARM TO REPUBLISH THIS WIKIPEDIA SHITE.
I INTRODUCED A BIT OF REALISM INTO THE WIKIPEDIA ENTRY TITLED
"YORKSHIRE RIPPER," BUT IT WAS SOON DELETED BY THE FORCES OF
SUPPRESSION.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:XfD_today
Peter Sutcliffe, The Yorkshire RipperToday I submitted an additional
paragraph to the Wikipedia article titled "Peter Sutcliffe" meaning
The Yorkshire Ripper. This is my first activity in Wikipedia, so
please tell me if I have missed something about correct procedure. In
the 'summary of edit' box, I wrote "new and interesting addtional
information" or words to that effect. Although the information is a
bit disturbing, it is well known and my addition did not breach
copyright or contain anything that might be construed as libellous.
The text I tried to add is reproduced below, and I would welcome any
explanation as to why is has been deleted:
[edit] The "Two Rippers" Theory
Soon after Peter Sutcliffe's conviction, a series of advertisements
started to appear in magazines in the north of England, claiming that
there were not one but two Yorkshire Rippers and that the main Ripper
was still free and still killing. The book - titled "The Real
Yorkshire Ripper," written and self published by Mr Noel O'Gara of
Athlone, central Ireland - has gained a cult following over the years
and has been the subject of fierce polemics in internet forums.
Occasionally it gets a mention in the mainstream media, for example
the Yorkshire Post, 31 August 2005:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/features/One-man39s-obsession-with-39real39.1130418.jp
Mr O'Gara's "two Rippers" scenario derives considerable plausibility
from numerous statements by the police and media during 1978-80, for
example: "Yvonne 'a victim of the carbon-copy Ripper .... A second
Ripper was being hunted by police last night. The crazed killer is
thought to have set himself up as a rival to the man who has already
killed seven girls. So far he is known to have murdered Yvonne Pearson
whose battered body was found in Bradford on Sunday. A pathologist who
examined all the ... girls murdered by the Ripper told police
yesterday: "She is not his eighth victim."
-Daily Mail, 28 March 1978.
Even more telling is the interview between Mr O'Gara and Ron Warren,
who was deputy chairman of the West Yorkshire Police Authority
throughout the Ripper investigation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=hkSaYJg9gMU
Officially the case remains closed and Peter Sutcliffe has made no
move to modify his confessions to the thirteen murders of which he was
convicted. However, family members who visited Sutcliffe prior to his
trial reported that at the time he was emphatically denying having
killed all the Ripper victims. --Macnulty009 (talk) 15:26, 5 April
2009 (UTC)
Special Care
It was Woodhouse Road, not far from Alma Road, Headingley.
Dr Bandara was attacked there too by Sutcliffe, on Alma Road.
She went back to Singapore and nothing more was heard of her.
It looks like Sutcliffe attacked Miss Lea.
But Peter Sutcliffe is NOT the Yorkshire Ripper.
I wish her well. She's probably genuine.
But one wonders if there is an agenda behind the way Maureen Lea's
story was played up in the media, having the effect of cementing the
Peter Sutcliffe myth into the public consciousness all the
more..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ziJMdGPT8&feature=related
Rupert Bear.
.............................................
> I know you are doing a brilliant job.
>
> Your work will be mercilessly plagiarised by the parasites after
> Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are six feet under and the threat
> of a libel case recedes.
>
> Yet I have to point again out that you can't prove this beyond all
> doubt.
> Well, just for the sake of discussion................ IF the West
> Yorkshire Police were HONEST and if they arrested the woman you
> mention, could you prove your case in court under the rules of British
> justice, such as it is.........?
>
Well thats a bit rich,, asking for proof in the Yorkshire Ripper case...
It's not as if any proof was presented during the original Sutty fiasco..
A selection of household knives tools and equipment that could be
found in almost any home in the country, were placed on display
in the courtroom for our titillation, like props in a theatre..
They might just as well have been theatre props because
I am not aware of any forensic links between any of Sonia's
wedding gifts and the murders.
Or his garage tools for nicking car number plates either..
About the most convincing thing I saw in the whole circus was a photo
of some L plates and a piece of cord in the boot of his car..
Given that he was a lorry driver about to loose his licence,, I'm
guessing the L plates were for Sonia,, and maybe the cord was to hang himself..
There was a lorry driver in married to a cousin of mine who did that
very thing.. Yeh that's pushed many a man over the edge,,
can you imagine driving lessons with Sonia under those circumstances.
And perhaps one really should consider why there were no
confirming forensics mentioned during his trial..
They could easily have said they found blood and hair if they wanted,,
and made it sound more convincing no one would have know any
different would they... ???????? Think about it now,,?????
But there was another man who would immediately have known the trial
was a fake if they presented any (apparently confirmed forensic evidence)..
They might have linked solid forensics to the likes of Bandara or
Pearson or Claxton without giving the game away,, but no,, it was a
mental health show trial with nothing but words and psycho waffling
substituted for proofs, forensics and logical thought..
Yeh,, those L plates and the cord were a nice touch,, from the other
guys point of view it really could be true,, they've got a nutter
stuck down for them all,, like a let off,, manna from heaven..
If he believed it,, he just might let them off with it,,
it might suit his purpose,, but if he did not,, lets gust say,,
there could have been dire consequence for the "Ladys of Yorkshire"..
When the cow-pat is turned,, one beholds the wriggling worms
and maggots from the other side...
Thirty Years ago..
Ending the Rippers reign in
one way or another might have been seen
a justifiable risk. (to certain parties)
......................
It is not feasible for me to prove anything under the circumstances,,
most folks will need to be told by the BBC and the newspapers,,
and that just aint going to happen..
You can try downloading my samples and sending to the press or
graphologists if you like,, but you will find there is a do not
disturb sign about the place somewhere..
The duty of investigating my well supported claims
lies with the Coppers..
And they seem to have rather cold feet or are tied by higher
authorities,, ( I think the latter)....
I suspect..
It is not deemed in the interests of law and order and
all of tha public best interest clap-trap
they woollies are so fond of....
..................................
One advantage of the three stooge's confessions is that
the forensic evidence is pristine, unsullied by any
previous trial.. I do not believe they lost it for one minute..
Maybe it was sold off to a rich Chinese crime fan collector.,!
But my bet is that it is safe in some deep dark .guv celler..
If it were not for the problem of universal inertia/resistance
from the media and authorities to come clean in these matters
then I am sure a perfectly reasonable and legally correct
case could be presented to the courts...
Based on crime scene facts, findings and deductions,,
you know,,good old fashioned coppering..
Graphology,, handwriting matches to the two people
who wrote those letters..
For those with open minds and eyes,, a couple of the old grey cells..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/
Suck it and see.
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Special Care
people.
That's the purpose of it.
Lawyers exist to benefit themselves.
They are actors.
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Justice belongs to God.......
...and to Don Corleone....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB9cLr7OR-A
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I know you've done a brilliant job, but this is a "Forbidden
Subject,"
.........at least until after Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are
dead and the threat of a libel case recedes.
That was the whole purpose behind the Gregg v. O'Gara juryless/appeal-
less libel "judgment."
POOR OLD OLDFIELD
WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
MISLED BY A VOICE
RELEASE OF DRURY
AROUSES FURY
BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
NEXT ON THE LIST
Rupert Bear
> The 'pomp and ceremony' in a courtroom is intimidating to most
> people.
> That's the purpose of it.
> Lawyers exist to benefit themselves.
> They are actors.
>
Funny you should say that...
Try this link..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZThsuwBHs8
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Special Care
> On Aug 10, 6:22 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The 'pomp and ceremony' in a courtroom is intimidating to most
> > people.
> > That's the purpose of it.
> > Lawyers exist to benefit themselves.
> > They are actors.
>
> Funny you should say that...
> Try this link..
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZThsuwBHs8
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Well, Mickey Havers was part of the set up. There is an inaccuracy in
that youtube interview. Mickey Havers in fact was co-operating with
the notion that Peter Sutcliffe was insane, as part of the deal for
the confessions. It was the judge, Mr Boreham, who insisted that the
jury should decide whether Sutcliffe was mad or bad.
Somehow Boreham hadn't been drawn into the conspiracy, and the lads
were taken aback when he didn't go along.
As in "The Emperor's New Suit," Justice Boreham hadn't been told what
he was required to "see."
A slight inconvenience for the cover-up squad. But with Sutcliffe in
custody, and the media parrots on side, the outcome was assured.
The trial of Peter Sutcliffe was the ultimate in FANTASY ROLE PLAY.
I wish I'd seen it.
Then the *Fake Press Conference* comes in second among the great
FANTASY ROLE PLAYS of all time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&feature=related&hl=en-GB&v=8zcxudS-hrc
After Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead, and the threat of a
libel case recedes, others will start to 'cash in' on the wealth of
information about the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
I'm sure many well known TV documentary producers and established
crime writers are well aware of all of this, and are waiting patiently
for Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson to die, so that they can start
cashing in on the truth about the Yorkshire Ripper case.
Even the oul' Irishman David Yallop might come out of the woodwork at
some stage, and issue a revised version of his book ("Deliver us from
Evil")....belatedly.... if he sees any glory for himself in it after
the threat of a libel case has receded.
He's probably working on it quietly right now.
Special Care
The *runner up* in the *ugliness contest* for the greatest FANTASY
ROLE PLAY of all time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&feature=related&hl=en-GB&v=8zcxudS-hrc
The winner was the trial of Peter Sutcliffe - the number one FANTASY
ROLE PLAY in all of human history, the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
Rupert Bear
> On Aug 14, 8:12 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 10, 6:22 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The 'pomp and ceremony' in a courtroom is intimidating to most
> > > people.
> > > That's the purpose of it.
> > > Lawyers exist to benefit themselves.
> > > They are actors.
>
> > Funny you should say that...
> > Try this link..
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZThsuwBHs8
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The trial of Peter Sutcliffe was the ultimate in FANTASY ROLE PLAY.
>I wish I'd seen it.
While were on about the trial....
Freelance Reporter David St George was present at the Sutty trial..
The BBC published a little bit about his recollections here..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13473352
I find his recollections refreshing for some reason..
Snip,,
"Sutcliffe himself was a sorrowful figure in many ways,
not very well built and towered over by four prison guards.
"His wife turned up quite a lot of times to lend what support she
could,
but it all stemmed on the medical and mental problems he may or may
not have had.
Thirteen ladies is a lot of ladies. There's not been a case like it
before or since
"He really showed no emotion, no smiling, no laughing...
and he had this funny softly-spoken voice.
"He was the most unlikely killer you've ever seen,
he didn't fit the bill, but you never can tell."
........................................................................................
>
> After Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead, and the threat of a
> libel case recedes, others will start to 'cash in' on the wealth of
> information about the Yorkshire Ripper cover up.
>
I disagree with your thinking,, that something might change after
and because of the demise of certain parties
is a wrong presumption in my view..
If anything ever comes to pass it will not be for those reasons..
It may originally have been something to do with preserving
the public trust in the forces of law and order,
or at least justified on those grounds..
Justice Must be seen to be done..
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7045994.ece
It was thirty years ago when Mrs T said it was now a matter
of public confidence...
Since then we have seen years of false
news reported in all the worlds media..
The processing of the apparently legitimate Humble solution
through the courts,, with the coffin being sealed with Chris Smith..
In short ,, the powers that be have gone too far down
this path to ever turn back because the convenience of
being able to have any old nonsense legitimately presented to the
public
has most certainly become endemic in our governance system
and used many times elsewhere..
It results in an ever increasing legacy of secrets and lies
presented as our legitimate history..
One should question where this path is leading..
Where MP's are even debating courses of action or decisions
which make legal changes to our system ,, whose understanding
of matters are base on our accepted legacy of falsehood and lies...
It has now evolved into a method of societal manipulation
and change..
Like being trapped on a one way route,, there is no
turning off this path once committed..
If they ever achieve their perfectly behaved society
by manipulation and misinformation,,
What happens then??
The accumulation of misinformation is
becoming more apparent..
When people open their eyes and see,,
Well you think you've seen riots in London,,
Oh Yeah...!!
They will never willingly
allow us to peek under the crusty
lid of deception and lies...
But Just you wait till the lid cannot be
held down any longer...
For.
Pandora's Pantry Lies Underneath..
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Special Care
He would have confessed to being the Devil himself, to get at a safe
distance from Sonia.
I understand him from a distance, from my experiences with Irish and
East European women of mature age.
East European women of mature age are - generally - even worse than
Irish women of mature age.
He would have done anything to get away from Sonia.
He forced the pace.
He forced his arrest, to get away from Sonia.
That is one of the many blind spots in the Yorkshire Ripper case.
Then the Old Bag down in London gave the go-ahead.
And THE THREE STOOGES walked into THE FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE.
Ronald Gregory, George Oldfield, Jim Hobson.
THE THREE STOOGES AT THE FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE.
KEEP SMILING! CAN YOU ALL SMILE?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&feature=related&hl=en-GB&v=8zcxudS-hrc
Rupert Bear.
> It is true that Peter Sutcliffe was a very sad and pathetic figure.
Well ,,apart from your first line,, an you
personal
experiences with the ladies, I disagree,,
I've grown tired of hearing Noels old toot about Sutty,,
his rhetoric serves only to cloud the already very murky waters,
and to present the idea of another man....
In that last quest he succeeds to a considerable degree..
Whatever Sutty may or may not be is not clear to me..
I have reservations about him even being the/a copy-cat..
There were a number of other guys knocking about at the time
who's victims might today be attributed/added on the official
version of Rippers victim list..
For instance...
I watched a documentary the other night about a young girl who had
been abducted and buried in the woods near Otley,, the killer was
found to be John Taylor..
The programme went on to suggest the man was more than likely a serial
rapist/killer with a long history of sadistic violence and cruelty..
We saw a slighly stout balding middle aged geezer who looked very
ordinary indeed,,, somehow the TV production failed to mention that a
prostitute had also been buried only a hundred yards or so away from
where this young girl was found.. Chris Gregg the celeb/media/production cop
who sued O'Gara for libel failed to make any official connection
between Taylor and the buried prostitute nearby....
The thing that struck me most was when the film crew scanned over his
old wedding picture I saw a man almost identical to our Sutty..
I captured some images and posted here...
You might still be able to see the programme on ITV player..
The way I see it , is that the Claxton girl or even the Browne girl
who also described a man like sutty
would never be able to tell the difference..
An well,, if Gregg had discovered a connection between
Taylor and other prostitute murders,, he probably just
would not want to go there...
Serendipity is a fine thing indeed
and Gregg went on to nail the lid
down with the Humble nonsense four years later...
And sue your pal Noel..
Hmmm,, speculation but worth thinking about Eh,,!
Lord Lane ruled over Suttys appeal and no new
evidence was allowed...
Some interesting links here re the legal situation
and people at the time...
http://www.roughjusticetv.co.uk/st09.htm
http://www.roughjusticetv.co.uk/st07.htm
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Special Care
knocking around with that facial configuration: dark hair with short
beard......
I concede that you are now the foremost authority on the Yorkshire
Ripper Cover-up in these forums. I started to lose interest in it a
while ago as it became clear that no progress can be made.
You must accept that Peter Sutcliffe wanted to be arrested. It wasn't
stupidity - to display fake number plates referring to a different
make of vehicle, then pick up a prostitute and park in a place where
he was likely to be checked on by the cops.
Marcella is still around in Chapeltown. She hasn't aged in appearance.
She had her problems, but we like her. It's true she couldn't have got
a good look at the man who was standing over her in the darkness up at
Roundhay, masturbating as she slipped in and out of consciousness. It
was all a hit and miss affair.
The police exist to benefit themselves.
The media exist to benefit themselves.
The judiciary exist to benefit themselves.
Justice belongs to God...........
......and to Don Corleone.
Special Care
"Mum wasn't much, but we had her. Then he killed her and we had
nothing."
-Sonia McCann.
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Who killed Wilma McCann?
Her brother, Richard McCann has the word "FALSE" tatooed on his
forehead.
I'm not impressed by the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfqnatiEAWM
There's a fool born every minute, or has the frequency gone up now?
People who praise Richard McCann's performance are easily impressed,
or are part of his bandwagon. I find his performance terribly
embarrassing.
It's cheap. A recycling of a set of psychological techniques which
have been known all along.... Most of the older generation have heard
of Dale Carnegie's book, "How to Win Friends and Influence People,"
which itself was a recycling of earlier writings of that genre... and
then there were "The Seven Laws of Success" by Herbert Armstrong, and
"Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill - essentially the same set of
techniques. And "The Power of Positive Thinking" by that other
chancer...Norman Vicent Peale, I think.
The Richard McCann video is sickening. So false. So cliched.
The psychological techniques do work, to a degree, if someone is at a
stage of life when they are 'on the crest of a wave,' or has sunk so
low that the only way is up.
There were perceived commercial possibilities in milking the vast pool
of public sympathy for a perceived victim of the Peter Sutcliffe
myth.
Some smart entrepreneur spotted the financial possibilities of that
combination:
The wave of public sympathy for the second generation victims of the
Yorkshire Ripper, fused with the tried and tested reliability of those
psychological techniques which are going to work, at least
temporarily, in a commercially viable number of cases.....
Richard McCann is a faker and a puppet, to be sure, cynically managed
by his 'talent scout.' Still, he's doing a little bit of good here and
there, for people who are at a low ebb in their lives. People who are
so backward and so stupid that they don't know any better. They can be
led a little bit in the right direction by fakers such as Richard
McCann, at a price.
But he presents as an emotional cripple in disguise, and a faker whose
success rests on the Peter Sutcliffe myth.
Why the need for all the hype and drumbeats and fanfares in that
video.
I'd like to see Richard McCann standing on his own feet, without the
hype.
Richard McCann is a huge embarrassment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=hkSaYJg9gMU
Special Care
waste of life. A beautiful young woman and full of potential.
http://www.truenorth.tv/NR/rdonlyres/81D453C4-4168-4FF0-83C5-123F006CAA62/0/RichardandSoniabanner.jpg
The expression that was etched onto her face, her ‘default’ facial
expression - it was predominantly bewilderment, more so than sadness,
I suggest.
(I can identify to the extent that I’ve always had a slightly similar
‘default’ facial expression, always haunted by the inner child’s
bewilderment at being born into 1940s Ireland, bewilderment at how my
parents and all my ‘teachers’ could have been reduced to frightened
emotional cripples and were determined to reduce me to the same. So,
for different reasons, Sonia and I shared a similar ‘default’ facial
expression. We’re not the only ones.)
What Sonia McCann needed, if she were to overcome the suicidal impulse
was - a *task* to perform that she would consider worth doing, a task
worth living for.
[Again I know this from experience. I don’t do suicide, but I’ve felt
very low at times in my life as the emotions corresponding to the
events of 1950s Ireland caught up with me and were felt for the first
time, emotions that a child can’t cope with and suppresses till later
in life. On such occasions I prayed to God to give me a *task* to
perform that I would see as worth doing. It worked every time. I
insert this observation in case it’s helpful to anyone who reads
here.]
Sonia McCann felt a strong impulse to confront Peter Sutcliffe, the
man she believed to be her mother’s killer. It wouldn’t have done much
good. Sutcliffe didn’t kill Wilma McCann, and he’s so bewildered
himself that he can’t say anything useful.
If Sonia had been made aware of all the evidence saying that her
mother’s killer was never caught, she probably would have felt a
strong urge to work toward exposing her mother’s real killer and
toward exposing the architects of the Peter Sutcliffe myth. Then, it
would have been James Hobson she would have confronted first, Hobson
being the surviving member of ‘the three stooges’ at the fake press
conference. She probably would have found in that a *task* worth
living for, exposing all the contradictions in the Peter Sutcliffe
myth.
Her brother, Richard McCann, had spoken to Ron Warren and Noel O’Gara
and others. Richard McCann knew there were two men involved in the
Yorkshire Ripper killings. He did not invite Sonia to make contact
with all the others who knew the truth.
Why?
Richard McCann’s career is founded on keeping ‘in with the in crowd’
who promote the Peter Sutcliffe myth. If you try talking to Richard
McCann on email about the Ripper case, he will write as if he is a
mouthpiece for James Hobson. In fact, if you persist, you might detect
a change in the writing style coming out of Richard McCann’s email
address. It wouldn’t surprise me if James Hobson, or someone like him,
has Richard’s email password, and takes over from him in replying to
emails if Richard can’t remember the script of the Peter Sutcliffe
myth.
So Richard McCann’s dilemma was the standard conflict of interests -
do the right thing and lose your job, or do wrong and hold onto your
job. There’s nothing unusual about that, in an inverted civilisation
such as this one.
To keep Sonia out of the loop, when she might have been saved from her
suicidal impulse by being presented with a task worth doing - the task
of exposing her mother’s real killer and exposing the corrupt cops and
corrupt Whitehall/Downing Street officials who authorised the fake
press conference that launched the Peter Sutcliffe myth - withholding
that knowledge from Sonia McCann sealed her fate.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article622475.ece
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Rupert Bear
There another recent article that bucks
the norm,,
And most definitely deserves a mention here..
http://www.scottishreview.net/NormanFenton150.shtml
Long before the Sheridan
case, the police were
leaking tapes
Norman Fenton
Following Kenneth Roy's pursuit of the person or institution that
enabled the Sheridan police interviews to be broadcast, it's worth
noting that there have been similar occurrences when television
viewers were permitted, indeed encouraged, to watch similar police
interviews. One such example is West Yorkshire Police's interview of
John Humble, the so-called 'Wearside Jack', the man who had sent hoax
letters and cassettes to the police during the search for the
Yorkshire Ripper.
After the hoaxer's arrest 27 years later, Jack Windsor Lewis, one
of the two linguistic experts at Leeds University, who had originally
provided the police with an amazingly accurate geographic origin for
the hoaxer's background, wrote in the International Journal of Speech,
Language and the Law that the hoaxer 'was interviewed at Wood Street
police station in Wakefield and video extracts from the interviews
were, rather remarkably, subsequently released to the press and seen
in television accounts of the matter after his trial'.
Just as shamelessly, as with the Gail Sheridan interview and the
rosary/terrorist questioning, the viewer was invited to watch West
Yorkshire police rehearse and record John Humble, reading the words of
the transcripts of the hoax tapes. The police officers didn't actually
say 'Once more with feeling', but they would have been as well to do
so.
A week after the murder of Jacqueline Hill, a 20-year-old student
at Leeds University and the last of the Ripper's victims, I produced a
documentary, 'The Mind of the Ripper', for the ITV network. We
featured for the first time in the UK, a 'profiler', a sort of
'Cracker' figure but well before that creature of Granada's drama
department, Jimmy McGovern and Robbie Coltrane appeared on our
screens.
But, as things would have it, the Yorkshire Ripper was in reality
caught near Sheffield by a South Yorkshire police officer, who had
decided to return to the bushes where Sutcliffe had claimed to have
been urinating, having been arrested by the same officer for using
false number plates on his car. The tools of the Ripper's trade were
still hidden in those bushes, and the rest is, as they say, history.
But a curious history it is, for if you read the assorted (and, no
doubt, ghosted) memoirs of West Yorkshire police et al, it is they,
not South Yorkshire, who caught the Ripper.
But I have another interest to declare, and one closer to the
issue of releasing police interviews to be broadcast.
I was subsequently approached by a solicitor representing the mother
of the murdered Leeds student, Jacqueline Hill, who intended to
legally pursue West Yorkshire's chief constable for failing to fulfil
the required duty of care, that would have prevented Sutcliffe's
murder of her daughter. The solicitor's approach to me was based on
the programme 'The Mind of the Ripper', and the background knowledge
it evidently implied. I agreed to help the mother, and even persuaded
Thames Television that we should use a programme budget to further the
mother's case, while producing a programme recording her struggle.
A researcher and myself, both Clydesiders, began investigating
the mother's case. Quite quickly, thanks to a journalist from Der
Spiegel in Hamburg, we had found our own 'deep throat'. Like Woodward
and Bernstein, in 'All the President's Men' we would meet our source
in a car park on the southern reaches of the M1.
This led us to a collection of previously unknown scandals
involving the Ripper story, demonstrating that Sutcliffe's role as a
major suspect could have been known four years earlier, saving seven
lives. We were told that police officers had been claiming massive
amounts of overtime for door-to-door inquiries that had never actually
been made.
A personal friend of Sutcliffe had specifically advised West
Yorkshire Police in writing, and in person, that Sutcliffe should be
investigated. His information had been filed as 'Priority Number 1',
and then ignored.
We were told how Greater Manchester Police had correctly
predicted exactly where the Ripper worked, having matched bank notes
known to have been used by Sutcliffe with payroll details from his
employer. They passed this data on to West Yorkshire Police but were
told to keep out of West Yorkshire's existing investigation.
But most significantly, we were told how West Yorkshire Police
had issued a 'Special Notice' to police forces throughout the UK
advising that (sic) 'a person can be eliminated from these
inquiries...if his accent is dissimilar to a north-eastern (Geordie)
accent'.
And this was issued regardless of the fact that after a disturbed
and aborted attack on a 14-year-old schoolgirl (in reality potentially
the Ripper's third victim), the schoolgirl had insisted to the police
that her attacker had a local Yorkshire accent and, at the time, she
produced what was an unerringly accurate photofit of Sutcliffe. But
these clues were ignored as West Yorkshire Police always had insisted
that the schoolgirl had not been attacked by the Ripper. Sutcliffe
spontaneously described this attack in detail immediately after his
arrest but, even then, it took many years before this fact was
admitted publicly by West Yorkshire Police. Even then this was only
done when the girl's family informed the local press.
The so-called 'Wearside Jack', the hoaxer, had himself on several
separate occasions during the search for the Ripper, personally
telephoned the police to tell them that the tapes were all hoaxes. He
was ignored on every occasion.
All the information we had obtained was later confirmed as
accurate when a previously confidential report on the police conduct
of the Ripper affair was released in June 2006, subsequent to a
freedom of information application. But our intended programme about
the mother's pursuit of the chief constable of West Yorkshire was
about to end very abruptly. The mother's failure to achieve some
justice for her student daughter, Jacqueline, took longer. For several
weeks after the body was found, West Yorkshire Police had constantly
denied that this had been another Ripper killing.
But in a biography of Margaret Thatcher published while she was
still prime minister, the journalist Hugo Young wrote, without any
subsequent denial, that Thatcher was so incensed about that murder
that she announced that she, herself, was going to Leeds to take over
the investigation in person 'because nobody but her, she thought,
really cared about the fate of these wretched women'.
Mrs Thatcher met the home secretary, William Whitelaw, and other
officials, and Thatcher's words were officially recorded: 'The prime
minister said that the local police had so far failed totally in their
enquiries into a series of murders which constituted the most
appalling kind of violence against women...it was now a question of
public confidence. There were doubts whether the investigation was
being conducted as effectively as it might be, and something needed to
be done to restore the faith of the public in...the police'.
Within days, a new management team took over the West Yorkshire
investigation, and immediately concluded that the letters and tapes
from the man with the Wearside accent were 'an elaborate hoax'.
My researcher and I were asked to attend a meeting with a top-
level Thames management team. No one other than us knew the identity,
or in some cases even the existence, of our 'deep throat'. We were
asked point-blank if we were now in a position to tell them, the
management team, that the Home Office had known how badly the
investigation was being conducted at the time by the West Yorkshire
Police. When we answered affirmatively, we were asked to leave the
room so that they could continue their own meeting. We were then
curtly informed by phone that our Ripper project was over. Big time.
In 1988, the mother of Jacqueline Hill, the last victim, still
pursuing in court what was now the case of Hill v chief constable of
West Yorkshire Police 1988, claimed that West Yorkshire Police had
failed to use sufficient and reasonable care to apprehend the murderer
of her daughter. The House of Lords subsequently held that the chief
constable of West Yorkshire did not owe a duty of care to the mother.
Ronald Gregory, chief constable of West Yorkshire, sold his
version of the Ripper story to the Mail on Sunday for a reported
£40,000 (a substantial sum, then) causing a storm of criticism.
Relatives of some of the Ripper's victims accused him of taking 'blood
money'; the then home secretary Leon Brittan called him 'deplorable';
and – particularly hurtful to Gregory – the Police Review branded him
disloyal and a hypocrite.
Although it had now been officially concluded that the letters
and tapes from the man with the Wearside accent were 'an elaborate
hoax', the original tapes and letters had mysteriously gone missing
from the police archives at least 12 years previously. But then,
miraculously, a small fragment of an actual envelope, in which a
letter was said to have been sent, was found and a DNA sample was
taken from the licked glue. The world was told that this matched a DNA
sample incidentally taken from John Humble, when he was charged with
being drunk and disorderly in the Wearside area. John Humble became
'Wearside Jack'.
And then equally surprisingly an original 'lost' cassette tape
was found, the famous 'I'm Jack' one. But although he had phoned the
police on several occasions to confess to having recorded the hoax
tapes before Sutcliffe was caught by South Yorkshire, after his arrest
he is made to read the transcript of the original tape, time after
time, in the interview room until the police are satisfied. And then
the tapes can be incidentally produced for the television audience.
Which is where we came in.
John Humble pleaded guilty to all four counts of perverting the
course of justice so no evidence needed to be produced in court; tape,
DNA or whatever. He was sentenced to eight years in prison. He
appealed and lost. Half way through his eight years, it was reported
in a Sunderland newspaper that he was to be released within the month.
And thanks to the Probation Service and like agencies, Humble
disappeared back to the world from which he had come. But not to
television viewers in this country and throughout the world, since the
interview tapes of him reading his part as 'I'm Jack' were sold on:
they appeared on the National Geographic Channel, for example.
If the phone-hacking scandal at the News of the World continues
to unravel as it does, we may see another very interesting perjury
case being heard in Scottish courts. But will we see the police
interviews of such a previously important figure grace our television
screens? Who knows? But watch this space. I certainly will.
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>
> There another recent article that bucks
> the norm,,
>
> And most definitely deserves a mention here..
>
> http://www.scottishreview.net/NormanFenton150.shtml
>
It certainly bucks the norm.
The smaller local newspapers, including Scottish, Welsh and Irish,
have not (yet) been fully infiltrated and subverted at editorial
level, and so sometimes glimmers of realism can seep out on paper
through such media.
Think of Winston Smith in George Orwell's "1984" in the Ministry of
Truth........ we've already arrived there as regards the mainstream
media, but some local outlets are still not fully infiltrated/
subverted by The Party. George Orwell's mistake was to UNDERSTATE what
was coming.
I'm not sure that Peter Sutcliffe went away to urinate and hid a
hammer at the scene of his self-forced arrest. For Peter Sutcliffe's
purposes, it was quite enough to display the fake number plates, pick
up a prostitute and park in a place where police often checked on
parked cars, so as to force his arrest. What more did he have to do to
get himself into long-term institutional care? The *hiding the hammer*
story, plus the other amazing story of tools hidden by Sutcliffe in
the police station toilet (was he not searched when arrested or on
entering the police station? How could anyone hide murder weapons in a
police station toilet?!!)....................all that looks like just
a clumsy fabrication devised by THE KEYSTONE COPS OF WEST YORKSHIRE in
the confusion of those few days, to lend plausibility to the whole
thing after it became clear that Sutcliffe was desperate to be taken
into institutional care and would confess to anything.
The writer suggests John Humble has been released. He will never be
released, because he would start blabbing about the realities of
British Justice. While no mainstream newsmedia will publish anything
about him, the internet is there and if John Humble were released he
would be sought out by independent investigators and he would welcome
the celebrity status. No, John Humble will never be released.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=hkSaYJg9gMU
Rupert Bear
> On Aug 27, 5:26 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
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>
> > And most definitely deserves a mention here..
>
> >http://www.scottishreview.net/NormanFenton150.shtml
>
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>
> It certainly bucks the norm.
>
> The smaller local newspapers, including Scottish, Welsh and Irish,
> have not (yet) been fully infiltrated and subverted at editorial
> level, and so sometimes glimmers of realism can seep out on paper
> through such media.
>
> Think of Winston Smith in George Orwell's "1984" in the Ministry of
> Truth........ we've already arrived there as regards the mainstream
> media, but some local outlets are still not fully infiltrated/
> subverted by The Party. George Orwell's mistake was to UNDERSTATE what
> was coming.
I bought the book but never actually got round to reading it yet...
Course, there are an awful lot of folks reading on-line now..
And I wonder,, where people are presented with another truth
and see that there are so many people with fixed ideas about how
that truth should be read..
Thing is,, they are not all dumb sheep,, far from it,, and as they
watch the
ill-fitting pegs being stubbornly hammered home again and again,,
I wonder if it does not all begin to work against the purveyors of
false truth,
perhaps they hasten their own dismissal.
I think people begin to understand there maybe something about the
1984 conceptof new-speak after all,, it's not all just waffling in the
wind..
Never has the compliance/co-operation of media with our governance
been so
exposed as it has been this year..
So where does it leave us with the years of false truths printed
and broadcast from every source,, Propaganda is a good description
for it.. Fed to us from authorities in whom we have no option but to
place our
trust.. And when they get it wrong they just concoct an even more
implausible
cover story..
The Express got it right thirty years ago when they said..
that "treason and incompetence feed on secrecy"
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Are the press even allowed to ask such questions today,,
Yeah, just one look at they front row of blueys
emergency parliament after the lunnun looting and fires..
Sitting on lollypops they was..
The Humble pickle is the weakest link in the official storyline,,
Its a good place to start for anyone willing to take the trouble
of looking and thinking for themselves,, read the letters and
rebuild the timeline of events around them.. Oldfields old
case before they took him off it,, and magically resolved it
in a month... Ha Ha,,or perhaps I should say Haw Haw,,
what is the greater crime where betrayal of trust is concerned..
They hung William Joyce,,, an nobody trusted him..
The thing is,,
Even when Oldfield was in charge they kept most of their
knowledge secret.. Even the full content of the so-called
hoax ripper letters was kept secret until after Sutty was
convicted,, an then they started looking for his Sunderland chum,,
Nope.
There never was a time when they tried telling us the whole truth,,
That bit was skipped over in favour of good husbandry practice...
MOOOOOOOOOOO
BAAAAAAAAAAAA
MOOOOOOOOOOO
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>
> The Humble pickle is the weakest link in the official storyline,,
> Its a good place to start for anyone willing to take the trouble
> of looking and thinking for themselves,, read the letters and
> rebuild the timeline of events around them.. Oldfields old
> case before they took him off it,, and magically resolved it
> in a month... Ha Ha,,or perhaps I should say Haw Haw,,
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Well in my view the weakest link is the sudden change in the script
after Sutcliffe's obviously self-forced arrest.
[The fact that he was an emotional cripple who forced his arrest
because he couldn't take any more was too much at variance with the
script so far, so it became one of the blind spots.]
Then regarding the sudden change of script................for two
years, 1978-80, the police were saying there were not one but two men
killing those girls. They don't say that without good reason. The
first such report was in March 1978 after Yvonne Pearson's body was
discovered. Sutcliffe killed Yvonne, and the state of the body was
quite different to those of Wilma and Emily. Later it became clear
that two bloodgroups were being left by two killers at the crime
scenes. Noel O'Gara's archive is very informative.
http://www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/hyper/vic022.htm
Then the script changed after Sutcliffe's arrest.
Rupert Bear
> On Aug 27, 4:59 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Humble pickle is the weakest link in the official storyline,,
> > Its a good place to start for anyone willing to take the trouble
> > of looking and thinking for themselves,, read the letters and
> > rebuild the timeline of events around them.. Oldfields old
> > case before they took him off it,, and magically resolved it
> > in a month... Ha Ha,,or perhaps I should say Haw Haw,,
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Well in my view the weakest link is the sudden change in the script
> after Sutcliffe's obviously self-forced arrest.
Well there are so many weak links,, but then there is
such a vast preponderance of Sutty dunnit about the place too..
Maybe I thought the Pickle was an easier starting point for
the majority of people who have just accepted what they were told
by the media.. If you had not slipped in the "obviously
self-forced" widget,, we might be abit closer to an agreement than
usual..
Anyway I feel I should point out that emotionally crippled
halucinatin
maniac who forced the keystone cops to arrest him and solve the case
approach is getting a bit tired.. Young uns are getting pretty savvy
today,,
they've grown up with puters,, the abuse of .govon the net has become
clear to many and the game will have to raised,, cos the one theyre
used to is workin against them now.. Haw Haw..
They are just storing up problems for the future anyway,
needs sorting out now...
Its the older ones slogging away that don't have the time,,
or perhaps the skills even, to troll endlessly on the net,
,they probably are the backbone of the country too,,
they have reasonable expectations
of some degree of truth and integrity from our media
and governance I think..
That some measure of deception may be involved in ongoing
investigations is acceptable to a degree,, but when
the the shit hits the fan and thirty years later they just
bury their mistakes with DNA Pickles and posthumous fessions,,
and still the media continue to be struck dumb..
Well there are limits and this is just fecking insulting,,
talking about the dumbing down of society,, were we,,
who is doing it.....
Look you have got me waffelin on now,, I think people should
know that they were looking for a fairhaired man long before
Sutty was lifted.. You can even see that photofits
were darkened after Suttys conviction and fed to us via dvds
and books when you start looking into the history of the case.
Decisions were made in darker days but times have changed,
people get angry when they are manipulated and patronised like
mindless livestock,, worked their socks off and paid their taxes
and even voted for the best,, and thats what they get for it..
They had a chance to back up the Police a long time ago
and educate people that a truly random killer is virtually
undetectable in society,, chill out and take these precautions
is what they should have said,, this is what we are looking for..
Didint happen,, sold Oldfield and the rest down the swannie..
Calling the yorkshire cops keystone dummies is just
using them for a convenient scapegoat,,
we would all be better served if the truth were known
what they were up against,, modern technology makes
a repeat of such events virtually impossible anyway..
Naw that emotional cripple nonce what forced the cops
to solve the case is gettin real
tired in my view and so am I tonight..
nity nite.
Try these links,,,
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http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/
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Anyone can see that you've got a good case there re the handwriting.
What about the school he went to? Sometimes a school or a particular
English teacher would teach a distinctive handwriting style.
If so, it would dilute your case against him. I'm just being open-
minded.
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I don't know why you keep dismissing the 'self-forced arrest' blind
spot.
He was arrested to be charged with stealing number plates worth fifty
pence. The two constables just wanted to give the younger one the
experience of booking a prostitute, and they went to that place
because it was a well-known parking spot for prostitutes and their
clients, often checked on by police. He had been eliminated from the
Ripper enquiry about ten times on the basis of blood group and accent
and perhaps teeth. If he really did have a hammer in his pocket, which
I doubt, it could have been explained away. South Yorkshire police
were not very Ripper-conscious as were West Yorkshire. He could have
easily wriggled out of it.
If he did *not* wish to get into institutional care, why did he
politely volunteer the confession to being the Yorkshire Ripper to
equally polite policemen? Why not just pay the fine for stealing
number plates and get back on the job a few days later? He was no
stranger to police interviews and had always wriggled out of them
before.
And there was a report that when the men at Clarks were breaking up
for Christmas 1980, Sutcliffe remarked: "you wont be seeing me here
again, lads."
Rupert Bear.
> On Sep 2, 1:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>
> Anyone can see that you've got a good case there re the handwriting.
> What about the school he went to? Sometimes a school or a particular
> English teacher would teach a distinctive handwriting style.
> If so, it would dilute your case against him. I'm just being open-
> minded.
I don't know that a school would teach a particular style,,
Im not sure that this would be the case,, maybe a teacher could have unusual
characters in their own style,, but I would have thought the pupils would pick
up a consensus of styles from many blackboards..
I would think that everyone is taught to write in a basically similar way,,
It's quite obvious really.. But everyone is going to be slightly different,,
their hands are different,their bones are different in size and mechanically
there will always be differences in style and pressure,,
and that is just from a mechanical point of view..
We are all taught basically the same format
but it will always differ,, even before you start to add character
and gender into the picture..
Yea ,, you can even see a persons flair and style (or lack of it) reflected in
their handwriting and this is of course what graphology is all about..
The likes of Dianne Simpson claim to be able to divine a great deal about
a persons character by studying their handwriting.. Often people have a
handwriting analysis incorporated by potential employers..
Mrs Simpson has made a career out of this study and worked with the
Yorkshire cops from very early on..
My graphology skill are very much of the unskilled amateur kind,,
but within the context of my interest here it has always been about
spotting personalized traits , or habitual errors,,
it is the habitual personal differences from the standard format
that are of particular interest here,
because often they are unique to that person alone..
Obviously if one was able to examine an entire population of several
millions you might find one or two others with similar traits..
But for practical purposes this is of little value,, the odds are so
phenomenally against it occurring in my particular scenario by chance
that they can be discounted..
Check this odd double dot and dashes habit,,
it is very much a personalised trait,,
seen in my cousins hand and repeated many times in the
letters to Oldfield..
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That this trait also helps to decode the jumble of malformed letters
printed on the cassette envelope is of unique
significance in this context..
One does not spend thirty years with beliefs that your cousin
wrote the so-called hoax letters,, and then quite by chance
discover that he also had the same personalized traits as the
the person who wrote those letters..
Co-incidence is accumulative in its persuasion...
And there are far too many re my cousin and his wife..
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BEFORE HISTORY WAS REWRITTEN
For the most reliable information on the Yorkshire Ripper case,
look to what was written prior to 1981.
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The media reports and books about the Yorkshire Ripper case that were
published before or immediately after the Peter Sutcliffe conviction
are the sources to be trusted most.
Notably “Deliver us from Evil” by David Yallop and “The Yorkshire
Ripper” by Roger Cross.
(Yallop’s book was ready for publication in late 1980, then hastily
revised to cash in on Sutcliffe’s arrest. Hence Yallop’s book has some
rough edges but is a valuable resource.)
These early books unknowingly let slip some of the contradictions in
the Peter Sutcliffe myth.
An obvious example is the ‘rogues gallery,’ the police ‘mugshots’ of
suspects.
David Yallop slipped up big time when he included in his book the
image of the man seen near the last sighting of Emily Jackson, which
is ‘as good as a photograph of Billy Tracey.’ That image was published
repeatedly in newspapers during 1976-77. It is highly distinctive and
does not resemble Peter Sutcliffe.
Later books about the Yorkshire Ripper case omitted that image,
because they were revisionist, rewriting history - Winston Smith style
- to prop up the Peter Sutcliffe myth, which always collapses under
scrutiny.
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Roger Cross was chief crime reporter on the Yorkshire Post during
those years.
As such, he had close contact with the West Yorkshire Police.
He published his book, “The Yorkshire Ripper” soon after Peter
Sutcliffe’s trial in 1981.
I believe he was genuine when writing that book, in the sense that he
wasn’t part of the cover-up, in the same way that Judge Boreham wasn’t
‘in the loop’ either. It was just assumed by the ruling group that
such people could safely be expected to sing from the same ‘hymn
sheet’ as Ronald Gregory and Margaret Thatcher.
Roger Cross, although honest in writing his book, couldn’t think
outside the big brainwash accompanying the launch of the Peter
Sutcliffe Myth.
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LOCAL GOVERNMENT REORGANISATION IN ENGLAND, 1974
A point emphasised at the beginning of the book by Roger Cross,
largely overlooked by other commentators, is the fact that the
Yorkshire Ripper killings commenced at about the same time as Edward
Heath’s chaotic and undemocratic local government reorganisation,
taking effect in 1974 (on 1 April, All Fools Day), which included the
reorganisation of English police forces, amalgamating smaller rural
forces with larger city ones. The new, enlarged police forces were
usually delineated by the new county boundaries, as in West Yorkshire
Police, or West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police to give it its ‘new,
improved’ title.
It was a messy business. The citizens of Wetherby, for example, were
highly indignant as their unique, historic, picturesque rural town was
‘colonised’ inside the new Leeds boundary. The refined, genteel folk
of Wetherby - to their horror - woke up to find themselves citizens of
Leeds on April Fools Day, 1974, a bit like the pre-war Czechs who woke
up one morning in 1938 to find themselves Germans. It was as bad as
that, to be told you’ve suddenly become a citizen of Leeds. The
resentment at the new boundaries, along with some funny new county
names which nobody asked for, was repeated in many other parts of
England.
It took years for the cops to adjust to the new regime.
The local rivalries and resentments between ‘city’ and ‘county’
officers, including loss of promotion prospects for some under the new
authority structure, didn’t make for efficiency in crime detection.
Into this administrative chaos stepped the Yorkshire Ripper……
…... and……. by an amazing confluence of events…… a henpecked/pussy-
whipped emotional cripple named Peter Sutcliffe became active with his
clumsy attacks on women at about the same time as the Yorkshire Ripper
appeared.
The Yorkshire Ripper and Peter Sutcliffe never had any contact with
one another, but became fully aware of one another on account of the
Yvonne Pearson ‘glitch.’ From then on, Peter Sutcliffe and the
Yorkshire Ripper seemed to be reacting to one another in a bizarre tit-
for-tat game to show which one of them was tougher and could commit
the most grisly murder……..until Sutcliffe couldn’t take the strain any
more and forced his arrest.
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IRISH ANNIE AND OLIVE
According to Roger Cross, who was on intimate terms with the West
Yorkshire Police, Anna Rogulskyj had no memory of the attack because
she was drunk out of her mind that night (as were several of the other
victims) and she was hit from behind with no warning.
Much the same applies to Mrs Olive Smelt. Neither saw their attacker.
How then could “Irish Annie” and Mrs Smelt usefully be called as
witnesses in the Peter Sutcliffe trial, to testify about something of
which they had no memory and therefore no useful contribution to make
toward establishing Sutcliffe’s guilt?
Sutcliffe included these two assaults in his ‘confessions.’
So then why bother calling them to testify?
They were called in to tug at the jury’s emotions with their physical
presence as women whose lives had been wrecked, to lend more
plausibility to the myth that was being constructed.
This reinforces the fact that major court cases are about theatrics
more than about truth and justice. They’re also about proving you’re
‘on side’ with the ruling group, if you want promotion to the higher
ranks. Conversely, I’d say Justice Boreham’s career prospects took a
dive after he refused to play ball with Mickey Havers during the
Sutcliffe affair. As in ‘The Emperor’s New Suit,’ Judge Boreham hadn’t
been told what he was required to ‘see.’
Many scripts were rewritten and many axioms were replaced after Peter
Sutcliffe forced his arrest and showed willingness to confess to
anything.
But it’s all a bit ‘airy-fairy.’
It collapses under scrutiny.
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POOR OLD OLDFIELD revisited
George Oldfield was wrecked by the Peter Sutcliffe Myth and drank
himself to death in the few years after he was ordered to put on a
fake smile at the fake press conference. He couldn’t cope with the
burden - the starkness of this demonstration that the police sometimes
are the opposite of protectors and crimefighters, that in this case
the police were accessories to serial murder for having called off the
hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper, who went on killing, as the newspaper
headlines in subsequent years showed. Imagine how Oldfield felt when
he read those headlines in the months before he died.
If there is to be some kind of breakthrough, one possibility would be
for Oldfield’s children, now approaching middle age, to speak out.
George Oldfield never spoke publicly after the fake press conference.
For that very reason, he almost certainly ranted about the real
situation afterwards while drunk and within hearing of his children.
If they were to speak out, they and their families might be
‘blacklisted.’
However, at some stage they may wish to set the record straight, to
exonerate their father in terms of at least making known his
reluctance to go along with the skullduggery and his remorse for what
he had been made to do at the fake press conference.
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POETIC LICENCE / GLORY LICENCE?
=====
David Yallop’s account of the moment when Wilf MacDonald was informed
of his daughter’s death is a bit weird:
“The following morning, while his wife was out collecting the Sunday
newspapers, [Mr MacDonald] heard a knock at the door. Previously he
had [made a cup of tea for] Jayne and discovered her absence.
Answering the door, he was confronted by a uniformed police officer.
=====
CONSTABLE:+++ ‘Are you Jayne MacDonald’s father?’
MR MacDONALD:### ‘Yes, and I’ll kill her when she comes in, for
staying out all night and not letting us know.’
CONSTABLE:+++ ‘You wont have to. Someone’s already done that.’”
=====
We hope that is apocryphal, an invention for literary effect on David
Yallop’s part.
Yet, sadly, an inexperienced bobby might have said just that in
1977.
=====
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THE OLD BAG IN LONDON
The Peter Sutcliffe Myth is just that - a fabrication to spare
Margaret Thatcher’s blushes as she danced across the international
stage as Lady Britannia, the twentieth century Boudaecia, Xena Warrior
Princess, with her leading man, the other actor, the B-movie gunman
Ron Reagan.
The major driving force behind the *new script* was simply to remove
the danger that some maverick reporter might embarrass The Queen of
Heaven / Mrs T. on the world stage by bringing up the matter of why
the country bumpkins / Keystone Cops of England were unable to catch
the Yorkshire Ripper.
That really would have pulled the rug out from under Mrs T’s glory
show in the 1980s.
And that is why the pressure on Ronald Gregory from the Old Bag in
London was so intense.
Some things are important; some are not.
Ronald Gregory would not have walked into that fake press conference
without orders from the very top and an assurance that the mainstream
media can and will be ordered to stay ‘on side’ - which they have done
for the past thirty years, Winston Smith style.
The Old Bag kept her distance and left no fingerprints, like Don
Corleone. But her role in the fabrication of the Peter Sutcliffe
Myth / Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up is starting to come out now.
When The Old Bag and James Hobson are dead and the threat of a libel
suit recedes, the floodgates will open.
The many honourable citizens who are concerned about the horrific
implications of the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up, who now remain silent
for fear of a libel suit, are waiting patiently for Margaret Thatcher
and James Hobson to die.
Then the floodgates of TRUTH will open.
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And it goes on and on and on. Anyone who makes a serious study of the
Yorkshire Ripper case sees the contradictions piling up almost on
every page. The Peter Sutcliffe Myth collapses when scrutinised
honestly.
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However, this is a BIG LIE.
And our illustrious senior investigative writers, such as Melanie
Philipps, John Pilger, Duncan Campbell, David Yallop…and their
imitators such as Peter Tatchell …… are all very brave / angelic /
heroic / glorious when exposing SMALL LIES.
But these bums turn around and RUN LIKE HELL, when asked to confront a
BIG LIE such as the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up.
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JOHN SUTCLIFFE SPEAKS ON IRISH RADIO / POWERFUL IMAGES:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTRjRRpPCA
TWO YORKSHIRE RIPPERS ACCORDING TO WEST YORKSHIRE POLICE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU
THE FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc
POOR OLD OLDFIELD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4&NR=1
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Special Care
He was a drunk and sometimes aggressive, but he didn't deserve being
stitched up like that, to close the books on a 'loose end' in the
Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
Now he can never be released because one way or another he would start
blabbing.
Nobody deserves that.
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=GodfreysGaf.mp4
Rupert Bear.
> On Sep 2, 1:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/?action=view¤t=2PRre.jpg
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Anyone can see that you've got a good case there re the handwriting.
> What about the school he went to? Sometimes a school or a particular
> English teacher would teach a distinctive handwriting style.
> If so, it would dilute your case against him. I'm just being open-
> minded.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I don't know why you keep dismissing the 'self-forced arrest' blind
> spot.
>
> He was arrested to be charged with stealing number plates worth fifty
> pence. The two constables just wanted to give the younger one the
> experience of booking a prostitute, and they went to that place
> because it was a well-known parking spot for prostitutes and their
> clients, often checked on by police. He had been eliminated from the
> Ripper enquiry about ten times on the basis of blood group and accent
> and perhaps teeth. If he really did have a hammer in his pocket, which
> I doubt, it could have been explained away. South Yorkshire police
> were not very Ripper-conscious as were West Yorkshire. He could have
> easily wriggled out of it.
Well if I insert a clipping of your later post here..
""Into this administrative chaos stepped the Yorkshire Ripper……
…... and……. by an amazing confluence of events…… a henpecked/pussy-
whipped emotional cripple named Peter Sutcliffe became active with his
clumsy attacks on women at about the same time as the Yorkshire Ripper
appeared.
The Yorkshire Ripper and Peter Sutcliffe never had any contact with
one another, but became fully aware of one another on account of the
Yvonne Pearson ‘glitch.’ From then on, Peter Sutcliffe and the
Yorkshire Ripper seemed to be reacting to one another in a bizarre tit-
for-tat game to show which one of them was tougher and could commit
the most grisly murder……..until Sutcliffe couldn’t take the strain any
more and forced his arrest. ""
But your version rarely suggests he forced arrest
for nicking number plates.. The implication is that he forced
arrest for false ripper..
Your usual interpretation is far too hyped up for me,,
I don't see all this tit for tat stuff at all...
It was reported that Sutty was waiting to go to court
and inevitably loose his licence resulting from a failed
breathalyser test.. I saw a picture of L plates in his car boot,,
presumably they were for Sonia.
Loosing his licence and automatically,, his job,,
might cause him to say, ta ta, to his
mates before xmas..
Certainly if his sanity was marginal,,
it could easily herald a bout of depression in a man
facing difficulties in his home life,,no licence,,no job,,
mortgage to pay,, Sonia??,, driving lessons would be fun,,
I would find it much easier to go along with the depressed
Sutty who did not care very much anymore,,
had been lifted on suspicion ten or twelve times
before,, maybe he was tempting fate...
Just didn't care or even fantasising about being
the real ripper..
It was fairly predictable that he would be lifted
when displaying poorly taped on stolen plates in a red
light area is clear,, but that is as far as it goes,,
Was there any guarantee that he would be stop checked..?
Im not buying the "forced Police to lift him and place in
care for the rest of his life" routine at all,, I don't rate
Sutty for that colourful Irish interpretation,,
>
> If he did *not* wish to get into institutional care, why did he
> politely volunteer the confession to being the Yorkshire Ripper to
> equally polite policemen? Why not just pay the fine for stealing
> number plates and get back on the job a few days later? He was no
> stranger to police interviews and had always wriggled out of them
> before.
It could be he was coerced with cups of tea and biscuits
same as Kiszco and Tony Steel.. People can be persuaded to confess
to all sorts of things,,
specially if they are at low ebb for some reason..
But the expectation of confessing to being the Ripper would surely be
hard time in jail,, maybe infamy,, the guy looked exhausted that first
time we saw him,, I think his fession was written for him and he
signed it.. Later the same cop was jailed for improper conduct during
the case,, which as it was so many years later, I thought was
rather odd,, to say the least..
>
> And there was a report that when the men at Clarks were breaking up
> for Christmas 1980, Sutcliffe remarked: "you wont be seeing me here
> again, lads."
Sorry for knit-picking,,
you have some good stuff down of late,,
but always revert to the Irish theme of things
which I find just as misleading as the official version,,
albeit there are some very pertinant points mixed in..
Next Irish fixation on
old Hairy Hands and Yallop..
Whats that all about..
........
Special Care
wrote:
> > If he did *not* wish to get into institutional care, why did he
> > politely volunteer the confession to being the Yorkshire Ripper to
> > equally polite policemen? Why not just pay the fine for stealing
> > number plates and get back on the job a few days later? He was no
> > stranger to police interviews and had always wriggled out of them
> > before.
>
> It could be he was coerced with cups of tea and biscuits
> same as Kiszco and Tony Steel.. People can be persuaded to confess
> to all sorts of things,,
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For a man like Peter Sutcliffe to face Sonia after losing his
job........his life wouldn't have been worth living. That was
definitely a factor.
Stefan Kiszko and Anthony Steel were not 'coerced with tea and
biscuits.'
Both were vulnerable men who were kept isolated, and deprived of sleep
in Mr Steel's case, and threatened and intimidated until they signed
on the dotted line.
How many innocent lives have been wrecked by those two thugs, Dick
Holland and James Hobson?
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The Anthony Steel video, 'Voice from the Grave' seems to have
disappeared from youtube.
Special Care
> disappeared from youtube.
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Sorry, it can still be viewed here. It's heartbreaking:
http://www.roughjusticetv.co.uk/steelfilm.htm
Special Care
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/one_man_s_obsession_with_real_ripper_1_2480966
I understand that Mr Noel O'Gara and his colleagues put considerable
pressure on the Yorkshire Post to get them to publish that relatively
honest piece.
The words of Ron Warren quoted there are significant:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"His most significant support on this has come from Ron Warren, a
former member of West Riding County Council, now 85. He was deputy
chairman of the West Yorkshire Police Authority when Sutcliffe was
arrested.
Last week, he [Ron Warren] told the Yorkshire Post what he told O'Gara
10 years ago:
BEGIN QUOTE FROM RON WARREN:
"There were definitely two murderers involved in the 13........It was
well-known in the operations room that there had to be two, because of
the blood evidence. I don't know how it was all reconciled, but I do
believe Sutcliffe was found guilty of more murders than he could
possibly have committed. It was a very inefficient inquiry, there were
things that were difficult to explain away, and I suppose the police
were more interested in getting it all wrapped up than in getting at
the whole truth.""
END OF QUOTE FROM RON WARREN.
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Noel O'Gara interviews Ron Warren in Leeds, December 2004:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU
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Rupert Bear
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/one_man_s_obsession_with...
> I understand that Mr Noel O'Gara and his colleagues put considerable
> pressure on the Yorkshire Post to get them to publish that relatively
> honest piece.
>
> The words of Ron Warren quoted there are significant:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "His most significant support on this has come from Ron Warren, a
> former member of West Riding County Council, now 85. He was deputy
> chairman of the West Yorkshire Police Authority when Sutcliffe was
> arrested.
>
> Last week, he [Ron Warren] told the Yorkshire Post what he told O'Gara
> 10 years ago:
>
> BEGIN QUOTE FROM RON WARREN:
>
> "There were definitely two murderers involved in the 13........It was
> well-known in the operations room that there had to be two, because of
> the blood evidence. I don't know how it was all reconciled, but I do
> believe Sutcliffe was found guilty of more murders than he could
> possibly have committed. It was a very inefficient inquiry, there were
> things that were difficult to explain away, and I suppose the police
> were more interested in getting it all wrapped up than in getting at
> the whole truth.""
>
> END OF QUOTE FROM RON WARREN.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Noel O'Gara interviews Ron Warren in Leeds, December 2004:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
near the end Ron says that from Georges description
it was clear that he was on the wrong one...???
Why oh why, could Noel not have asked,,
and what was Georges description..
What that man really thought is the big question,,
the description of the man George wanted would have been a precious
discovery...
That Ron said it was clear by the forensics evidence that there were
two blood types involved would be of much greater value
if we knew which attacks the forensic blood types were
ascertained from..
In the end all we can be sure of is that Ron believes
some high echelon Police thought there were two involved..
But in what sense has never been defined,, indeed we make the obvious
assumption that it means two separate unconnected killers,,
one supposedly copying the other..
In which case the two blood types detected might be assumed to
include
forensic information from attacks which were of the main series..
But two killers involved has never been defined,,
in what sense this statement should understood..
You wish to establish the axioms as you call them..
Basic known and trusted facts will do for me,,
One basic fact you can trust is than any prostitute
murders at that time inevitably attracted speculation
of "has the ripper struck again"..
It was a big story and any speculation of this ilk
would go down as good copy and sell papers..
The Police themselves were guilty of speculation re a copy-cat
killer,,
and this found its way into the press,, the prime example being
on the discovery of Yvonne Pearsons body..
Carbon-copy killer and nuther ripper nonsense was printed, but
a few days later when professor Gee report came in,, an update to the
story was also printed,, not ripper not the same..
As far as the two ripper scenario is concerned the only logical
conclusion appears to be that there was a series of connected deaths,,
The ripper series and several other committed by other killers of
which
there were many to chose from..
It can be seen that there were several other Yorkshire men biffing
the
ladies at the time.. That one of them may have sought to connect his
murder to the ripper series is not an unreasonable consideration,,
but placing a ripper headlined newspaper under Yvonnes body
does not make him into a copy-cat, killer,, he was just another
killer..
Press speculation created the copy-cat killer..
Yallop reckoned there were possibly six others on the go to chose
from..
There were so many ,,and within the general melange of murders going
on there was the yorkshire ripper series ..
There are no two rippers in that sense as I see it,, just
other killers and victims which had to be sorted out..
George Oldfield and co were doing a pretty good job of that
I would think,, they had the very best pathologist
in the country available from Leeds UnI ,, professor Gee..
Public scrutiny and political pressures began to build at their
continued failure to catch the ripper and the cops became defensive
and secretive,, and confidence in the Police was undermined
further,, they even lost the support of the press..
While George and co stubbornly kept their findings to them-selves
as much as possible.. and the whole thing eventually went pearshaped
when the hunt for the Sunderland voice failed to bring results...
But within all the confusion and finger pointing and blame placing
there had been suggestions of two killers in another sense,,
Most notably Oldfield announce that a person is being condemned
to a gruesome death because someone in the North is protecting the
killer..
That is reliably on record,, also reliably on record,, are a missing
couple,,
at Halifax,, and another missing couple was recorded at Headingly
and many many appeals for rippers partner to come forward..
What they might have discovered in Bradford after miss Leach was
killed
is anybody's guess cos the cops got all sulky and a broody silence
descended on the case..
Eventually broken when the Express published this rather interesting
issue
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=SilenceDesends.jpg
Beneath all the rowhraw,, this two connected and acting together
couple
has always been there,, overlooked and misinterperated perhaps,,
but I suggest it is the true source of the persistent, two rippers
theory,,
which persists even today,, manifesting itself for a while as Suttys
alleged
Super Sunderland chum for a while,, all nonsense of course
quite seriously reported by the press at the time I might add..
As is Mrs Curry quiet little quest for Sutty so-called companion,,
reported by all the concerned media..
She is still fishing for info regarding a fair haired man i might
add,,
as described quite reliably years ago..
Yeah,, people just clung onto the press speculation about another
ripper
and assumed it was all about two separate and unconnected killers,,
where in fact the underlying message is off two connected and acting
together,
in the ripper series,, with other assorted killers to account for the
other deaths..
There are two kinds of two here you know,,
its all abit confusing,,
Through the Miasma..
................................................
Rupert Bear
>
> ................................................
Well some people have magic keyboards
and just waggle their fingers above them,,
but it don't work so good for my old paws..
Attempted corrections to last post here..
I have watched that video many times,,
what was Georges description..??
the description of the man George wanted would have been a precious
discovery...
ascertained from..
In the end all we can be sure of is that Ron knew
that high echelon Police believed there were two involved..
But in which sense has never been defined,, indeed we are lead to
make the assumption that it means two separate and unconnected
one supposedly copying the other..
In which case the two blood types detected might be assumed to
series..
But how two killers were involved has never been clearly defined,,
or in what particular sense should this statement should understood..
You wish to establish the axioms as you call them..
Basic known and trusted facts will do for me,,
One basic fact you can trust is than any prostitute
murders at that time inevitably attracted speculation
of "has the ripper struck again"..
It was a big story and any speculation of this ilk
would go down as good copy and sell papers..
The Police themselves were guilty of speculation re a copy-cat
the prime example of this occurring
when they discovered Yvonne Pearsons body..
Carbon-copy killer and nuther ripper nonsense was printed, but
the
story was also printed,, not the ripper, not the same man..
As far as the two ripper’s scenario is concerned the only logical
deaths,,
of
which there were many to choose from..
It can be seen that there were several other men biffing
the ladies about at that time..
murder to the ripper series is not an unreasonable consideration,,
but placing a ripper headlined newspaper under Yvonnes body
does not make him into a copy-cat, killer,, he was just another
killer..
Press speculation created the copy-cat killer..
Yallop reckoned there were possibly six others on the go to chose
from.. There were so many ,,and within the general melange of murders
going
There are not two separate rippers in that sense as I see it,, just
other killers and other victims which had to be sorted out from the
main series..
George Oldfield and co were doing a pretty good job of that too
in the country available from Leeds UnI ,, professor Gee..
Public scrutiny and political pressures began to build at their
continued failure to catch the ripper and the cops became defensive
and secretive,, and confidence in the Police was undermined
further,, they even lost the support of the press..
While George and co stubbornly kept their findings to them-selves
But within all the confusion and finger pointing and blame placing
there had been suggestions of two killers in another sense,,
to a gruesome death because someone in the North is protecting the
about..
This is reliably recorded ,, also reliably on record,, are a
couple,, at Halifax,, and another missing couple was recorded at
Headingly
25 and 30 thousand pounds reward was offered to,,
the partner or anyone else I suppose.
What they might have discovered in Bradford after miss Leach was
Eventually broken when the Express published this rather interesting
issue
More,,
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/
Beneath all the rowhraw,, the two connected and acting together
but I suggest it is the true source of the persistance of the two
rippers
theory,, which continues even today,,
all nonsense of course but
quite seriously reported by the press at the time..
As is Mrs Curry’s quiet little quest for Sutty’s so-called
companion,,
also reported by all the concerned media..
She is still fishing for info regarding a fair haired man I might
add,, as was described very reliably many years ago..
Yeah,, people just clung onto the press speculation about another
ripper and assumed it was all about two separate and unconnected
killers,,
with other assorted killers to account for the
other deaths..
Special Care
learned to touch type (meaning to type without looking at the
keyboard) as a young man, which everybody should do now in the age of
the keyboard.
I find your posts a very refreshing change from all the drivel that
has been printed based on the obvious FAKE AXIOM of the Peter
Sutcliffe Myth. But certain people have their agenda. If we
acknowledge the idiocy of the Peter Sutcliffe Myth, then what is our
relationship with the police? The West Yorkshire Police are
accessories in serial murder of women on account of calling off the
hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper and pretending that Peter Sutcliffe is
the Yorkshire Ripper. The very nature of our civilisation is called
into question by the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up. That is why George
Oldfield drank himself to death in the few years following the FAKE
PRESS CONFERENCE. Although Georgie cut corners at times, as cops did
in the 1970s, the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up, which reduced the police
to accomplices in serial murder of innocent women after the fake press
conference, was too much for George Oldfield.
You suggest that a couple was responsible for the killings that Peter
Sutcliffe didn't do.... another Fred West/Rose West type of folie-a-
deux. Are you implying that the female partner of the real Yorkshire
Ripper might have left her own blood at the crime scenes, different
from the Ripper's blood group, to confuse matters?
I have an open mind. I don't disrespect Mr Noel O'Gara, but neither
you nor he can prove your case beyond doubt.
The cops and the mass media will stick to the script of the Peter
Sutcliffe Myth, until they are forced to change their tune a bit,
perhaps after Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead.
Assuming our civilisation holds together for a while longer, the
Yorkshire Ripper fiasco will become the subject of endless books and
TV docudramas for many years to come, just like the Whitechapel
business of 1888. The floodgates will open after The Old Bag and Jim
Hobson are dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkgFsUQ4gm8&feature=related
Special Care
It's amazing how few people see through the blind spot and observe
that Peter Sutcliffe desperately wanted to be arrested.
He did everything possible to arouse the police's suspicion at the
arrest scene in Sheffield. I don't know how much of the official
account is true. But we know he displayed fake number plates referring
to a different make of vehicle, crudely and obviously taped over his
own number plates, picked up a prostutute and parked in a place where
South Yorkshire Police often checked on parked vehicles, then gave a
fake name, "Peter Williams," when arrested, knowing they would soon
establish his real identity...........just on that basis, leaving
aside the hammer and knife, that was the behaviour of an emotional
cripple desperate to be taken into institutional care.
I don't know if he really did go to urinate and throw a hammer and a
kitchen knife into the bush. I don't know if he really did hide other
murder weaponry in the police station toilet. That may have been a
hastily fabricated invention by inept, confused cops in the chaos that
ensued after he showed willingness to confess to anything and
everything just for a quiet life, and then the pressure mounted from
the Old Bag in London.
However, Dick Holland says in that interview that when he went to
Sonia's kitichen he saw the second largest knife missing, and it
matched the one Peter Sutcliffe had discarded at the arrest scene.
Again, only a man desperate to be arrested and placed in institutional
care would have done that.
What kind of a fool would go out killing with a knife from the set of
knives in his wife's kitchen? He was desperate to be arrested.
It's too big a leap. Too much at variance with the public perception
of the ruthless, tough, cunning calculating Yorkshire Ripper. So it's
become a near-universal blind spot. Even David Yallop, "the greatest
investigative writer in the world," couldn't see through the blind
spot, couldn't see the obvious truth that Peter Sutcliffe (NOT the
Yorkshire Ripper) was desperate to be arrested and placed in
institutional care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkgFsUQ4gm8&feature=related
Rupert Bear
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkgFsUQ4gm8&feature=related
> It's amazing how few people see through the blind spot and observe
> that Peter Sutcliffe desperately wanted to be arrested.
How about this one,, the cops were stuck with a random killer they
simply
could not catch,and no one has ever given them a realistic
acknowledgement
or credit for what they were up against..
They had a killer on their hands who could lay off for over a year and
then come
back and punish them with the colossal media response and public
outrage,,
and they were completely powerless to stop him,, he floated in and out
of Bradford
like there was no surveillance in place an left them with chocolate on
their gobs.
Not their fault either but that was how it worked out in practice,,
and he
could wait another year and do it again..
So what were they going to do about a killer whom they could not catch
and
loved the publicity so much that he came back and killed again just
to
boost his own sense of power and ego..
Somebody writing letters predicting deaths and then committing them in
a similar
manner to the original Jack the Ripper was obviously having a swell
time from his
point of view,, all the publicity was his big payoff,, sitting
watching it at home
an thinking how clever he was..
They knew someone was playing with them and they could not catch him
so how are you going to stop him bringing the North of England to its
knees..
His power came from the fear he placed in everyones lives,,and that
was removed
when they convicted Sutty,, the North of England was made well again
and went
back to their normal lives not knowing the wolf was still among them..
But heck whats a couple of sheep here and there when you have a
country to run..
You preach Suttys guilt for some far too readily for my taste,
the very moment they dismissed Oldfield from the case and appointed
a Super Squad they knew it might be viewed as a challenge by the
killer
they could not catch,, and they had to remove his power to inflict
terror on the country..
Suttys timely conviction succeed from the farmers point of view..
The Rippers reign was ended whether they caught him or not..
The blind spot is that no one considers what the authorities might
be willing to do,, to end the rippers reign..
>
> He did everything possible to arouse the police's suspicion at the
> arrest scene in Sheffield. I don't know how much of the official
> account is true. But we know he displayed fake number plates referring
> to a different make of vehicle, crudely and obviously taped over his
> own number plates, picked up a prostutute and parked in a place where
> South Yorkshire Police often checked on parked vehicles, then gave a
> fake name, "Peter Williams," when arrested, knowing they would soon
> establish his real identity...........just on that basis, leaving
> aside the hammer and knife, that was the behaviour of an emotional
> cripple desperate to be taken into institutional care.
>
> I don't know if he really did go to urinate and throw a hammer and a
> kitchen knife into the bush. I don't know if he really did hide other
> murder weaponry in the police station toilet. That may have been a
> hastily fabricated invention by inept, confused cops in the chaos that
> ensued after he showed willingness to confess to anything and
> everything just for a quiet life, and then the pressure mounted from
> the Old Bag in London.
>
> However, Dick Holland says in that interview that when he went to
> Sonia's kitichen he saw the second largest knife missing, and it
> matched the one Peter Sutcliffe had discarded at the arrest scene.
> Again, only a man desperate to be arrested and placed in institutional
> care would have done that.
>
> What kind of a fool would go out killing with a knife from the set of
> knives in his wife's kitchen? He was desperate to be arrested.
incriminated sutty..
Specially one that endlessly says they were all lying when
they prosecuted Sutty..
Stop pickin bits out as true to suite your
interpretations,, you know as well as i do that nothing
can be trusted after
they committed themselves to the Smutty solution..
> It's too big a leap. Too much at variance with the public perception
> of the ruthless, tough, cunning calculating Yorkshire Ripper. So it's
> become a near-universal blind spot. Even David Yallop, "the greatest
> investigative writer in the world," couldn't see through the blind
> spot, couldn't see the obvious truth that Peter Sutcliffe (NOT the
> Yorkshire Ripper) was desperate to be arrested and placed in
> institutional care.
how sutty was desperate to be placed into
institutional care..
Special Care
http://www.yek.me.uk/ykrprhoaxtp.html
"Professor" Peter French is either a fool or a ruling group stooge.
The ruling group sometimes just use idiots who don't ask for any
payment.
That is not the voice of John Humble.
And where is the supposedly sophisticated "voice recognition
technology" so prized by *The Boys Up At Menwith Hill* but noticeably
absent from the John Humble Myth?
It works on the "favour bank" principle.
The "professor" owed the ruling group a favour, so he lent his voice
and so-called "reputation" to enhancing the plausibility of the John
Humble Myth / Peter Sutcliffe Myth / Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.
http://www.yek.me.uk/ykrprhoaxtp.html
Rupert Bear
I quite like the Stanly Ellis,, Jack Windsor Lewis
and French,, yek pages,,
They reflect what was happening in the Ripper investigation,,
Not necessarily presenting the whole truth but hey ho,,
you got to take what is available..
Ellis sometimes advised Mifive or six,,
he had connections with security services..
There is a good interview with the two of them
about the place somewher,, a couple of happy
chappies rabbiting on about there own
specialties..
Heres a couple of snips from your post..
Obviously, such a tape could never have been put out over the air
unedited.
Countless irritated listeners would have gone to their radio sets
thinking that
some adjustment of their controls was bound to be required. Even so,
one
could only regard the conviction of two Glasgow colleagues that the
police
should necessarily be looking for someone with a marked stammer as
highly
speculative. It was quite some months after this theory from Glasgow
was
revealed in confidence to Stanley Ellis and myself at the Leeds
Millgarth
police headquarters, the centre of operations of the whole
investigation, that
a new man was put in overall charge of the case, Assistant Chief
Constable
Jim Hobson. When, at the end of November 1980, at his first press
conference,
his only 'new' idea was to refer to this speculation with moreover to
my dismay
what was taken by many in the media to be a suggestion that the theory
was the
'consensus' among his linguistic advisers, I finally decided that I
could no longer
go along with Stanley Ellis's policy over the previous twelve months
of 'dignified silence'.
The police officers directing the investigations had been not only
unwilling to
acknowledge publicly our very strong conviction that they were dealing
with
a hoaxer but even made it clear that we were not to consider ourselves
free
to speak our minds on the matter in public. We were given to
understand
that we should have been regarded as 'breaking ranks' had we done so.
That had been their invariable line from the time when they first
released
the tape to the public, as ex-Chief-Constable Ronald Gregory
acknowledged
in his notorious series of articles in The Mail on Sunday newspaper in
the
summer of 1983 under the title 'The Ripper File'. On page 32 of the
issue
of that newspaper of the 3rd of July 1983 he stated that a meeting of
senior officers from the six forces involved ...agreed that our
'public' front
would be to STRESS OUR TOTAL CONVICTION that they were authentic –
meaning of course the tape and the letters.
At this juncture I decided, come what may, to speak out against what I
strongly felt
was the folly of the police leadership line. At least I knew I would
have the sympathy
of many of the less exalted detectives who were putting in such hard
work on the
case and there was a hope that there might be a wide measure of
acceptance of
my contention that it was vitally necessary to be on the lookout for a
killer who
might have any sort of accent and would be perfectly likely to have
one from the
locality in which he had been active. I had for a long time had an
open invitation
from the main newspaper of the region, The Yorkshire Post, whose
principal
crime reporter, the late Roger Cross, wrote the best of the several
books that
were very soon published on the case, to contribute an article on it.
Long after
those books an excellent one was published by Michael Bilton: see
references below.
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Roger Cross wrote the best book,,??, that a good one eh,,..
Is that what you mean by favour back...
As with all things written after smutty,, you have to find your
own way through the murk..
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Rupert Bear
since it does rather seem to be a universal blind spot..
What might the authorities have been prepared to do when
confronted with an uncatchable random killer who was in the
position where he could wait for a year and then come
back to unleash the Ripper Nightmare nightmare...
Again,, and again,, and again,, that he could keep this
up indefinitely would not be an unreasonable view..
Quote from his letters to Oldfield..
"You are no nearer catching me now than four years ago when I
started"
It was the bare-assed truth after Bradford 79 and they new it,,
The hunt for the Sunderland voice left them with egg on their faces,,
they should have got him then,, but for some unnacountable
reason he simply could not be found even when they had all
that information about the man they thought they wanted..
The Public response to the Police appeals had been colossal,
they were now floundering about in a sea of paperwork..
Millions of pounds and millions of man hours had been
committed with no result when there really should have been..
Course Mrs T was on the go about then and Whitelaw had
been sent off to Leeds to look into matters..
Papers were printing "why must we weep for help" and
Lets Call in some Clever Cops from London.. Shops were
closing early so the staff could get home in the daylight..
Feminist groups were storming the Picture house
Oh Criky,!, the ripper case is a good exercise to study
re the social breakdown that can be inflicted by one man..
It had been acknowledged widely in books and papers
that it had become a campaign of terror..
Terrorism played out with girls bodies instead of bombs..
Yeah,, under the circumstance,,
Just what might the authorities be prepared to do to
end it all..???
One might reasonably argue that the reason the
murderin baistard kept coming back was the huge sense
of power he got from being able to inflict such chaos
at will..
Could they just sit and wait for the next time and the next,?
Could the just let it go on and on..?
Follow up questions occur,,
If we can't catch him what can we do,,??
Who would be thinking this way,,??
And from what point in time will people
have been thinking this way,,????????
Yeah,, from what point in time,,??
and what could they do to end the
Rippers Reign,,of TERROR.....??????
I like turning the cow-pat over to view
life on the other side....
What if,,,,the hugely publicised
search for the Sunderland Chummy was
Gregory's last ditch attempt to resolve
the case quickly,, and retain his control
One could reasonably have expected someone
to recognized the voice but it didn't happen..
A girl was killed in Bradford just as
predicted on the tape...
and the Sundeland hunt failed to bring results,,
that would be when it all went pearshaped...
When they realized they were powerless to stop him
and there must be something dodgy about the tape
or they would have caught him for sure....
The Cops had no answers and they were no
nearer to catching him than four years ago
as the boasting ghet was pleased to point out..
What are you gonna do,, wait for the next time,,??
Perhaps others were considering stepping in about
this time,, because of the social breakdown in the
North of England,, the cost,,cops leaving the force,,
many other reasons..
With this guy they could not catch running rings round them..
The high and mighties will have watching the situation
with great concern..
And what they might have been willing to do under the
circumstances is a very good question in my view...
Speculate..
There was only one way to end the circus
if they could not catch him,,
then they would have to catch someone else
and say it was him..
Such a plan would be risky,, they would have to consider
how the guy might react to having his crown stripped
from him so sneakily...
To carry out such a plan it would be better if the guy
did not feel he was being conned,,,, cos he could
lay girls on their HQ doorstep if he wanted..
He would have to be convinced too...
Even then,, it would be risky,, it would be
difficult decision to make..
As it happens the Ripper laid off for fourteen months
after the last one in Bradford,, so they had plenty of time
to think about it...
Books were written about him and he got his devils plaudits..
Jack the Ripper Reborn was acknowledged in the press
and in books..
Perhaps they hoped he would be satisfied with that,,
for there was little more he could achieve by continuing..
The cops went all secretive and quiet about the case
about that time and the press were quiet too for the most part..
We had a period of silence and recovery began in Yorkshire,,
one of the few press stories at the time was this one..
I find rather interesting..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/?action=view¤t=SilenceDesends_cr.jpg
And silence did descend for a long while,,
people were having quiet sighs of relief and
hoping it was over...
Until August 20th 1980,,?
Marguerite Walls..
Specualtion,, in the Press of has the Ripper Returned
Reported as,,
found murdered and strangled in a Judges garden...
She put up a fight because she was ex forces,,
working with civil service,, and had time in
Northern Ireland..
Secretive,, kept to herself with no family or children..
Tidied up her desk before leaving work that day,,
her last day as she was now leave...
You know,, if someone had invoked powers normally
applied to Terrorism it could be done this way..
I speculate that if I one were to choose a person
to be mock-murdered,, and a place to do it,,
you would be hard put to find a better suited party
and place..
Her apparent murder would convince the Ripper
there was another man about the place,..
Soon followed by the attack on Dr Bandara,, a
trainee doctor from Malaisa who vanished
back home never to be seen again..
Speculation,, I suppose,,,, but it
makes far more sense than having
that clown Humble stuffed down
our throats as the solution for the
smutty Fiasco..
Course,, for the plan to work we would all have
to be weaned away from the virtual brainwashing that
occurred during the failed hunt for the Sunderland man..
The cops were 100% convinced the letters were genuine
from the Killer (as they are) and everyone had the
Rippers Wear-side voice ringing in their ears....
And at that time all this row kicks off..
like they had Humbles psychic powers..
<http://www.yek.me.uk/ykpostart.html>
As if to order...
The term,,,,SUPER-HOAXER,,,was born..
One month before Sutty arrest..
An we was all left with them looking for..
SUTTYS SUPER SUNDERLAND CHUM...
Yeah,, Just like Special C loves pointing out..
Sutty did seem to wanting to get arrested,,
it was almost predictable..
In Sheffield too that's another thing...
That little rhyme posted in the Sheffield Star..
The release of Drury
Brings on a Fury..
What Utter Crap..!
Could all be viewed as laying the groundwork
from a certain point of view..
Through the Miasma..
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Special Care
> We had a period of silence and recovery began in Yorkshire,,
> one of the few press stories at the time was this one..
> And silence did descend for a long while,,
> people were having quiet sighs of relief and
> hoping it was over...
>
> Until August 20th 1980,,?
>
> Marguerite Walls..
> Specualtion,, in the Press of has the Ripper Returned
>
> Reported as,,
> found murdered and strangled in a Judges garden...
>
> She put up a fight because she was ex forces,,
> working with civil service,, and had time in
> Northern Ireland..
>
> Secretive,, kept to herself with no family or children..
> Tidied up her desk before leaving work that day,,
> her last day as she was now leave...
>
> You know,, if someone had invoked powers normally
> applied to Terrorism it could be done this way..
>
> I speculate that if I one were to choose a person
> to be mock-murdered,, and a place to do it,,
> you would be hard put to find a better suited party
> and place..
>
> Her apparent murder would convince the Ripper
> there was another man about the place,..
But the Yvonne Pearson 'glitch' in early 1978 - her badly decomposed
body being discovered only after George Oldfield received the letters,
letters which made no mention of Yvonne - that would have left the
real Yorkshire Ripper in no doubt that some other idiot was out there
making clumsy attacks on women.
Yvonne's rotting body was concealed under a sofa for about two
months.
The real Yorkshire Ripper made a point of placing his victims' bodies
where they would be discovered the next day.
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One of the most interesting points you emphasise is the question:
why did the real Yorkshire Ripper remain silent after Ronald Gregory
'stole his crown' and placed his crown on Peter Sutcliffe's head?
The murders of women continued in the north of England after the
fabrication of the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
But still, there was no spectacular gesture on the part of the real
Yorkshire Ripper to 'reclaim his crown' from his 'apprentice,' the
amateur, imitation 'ripper' Peter Sutcliffe.
I know what you say is valid. The media created the hysteria to sell
newpapers. Then elements of the ruling group were faced with the task
of restoring the status quo in Yorkshire by somehow arranging to
convict someone they could call the Yorkshire Ripper.
Fake confessions and fake convictions were not exactly unusual in West
Yorkshire in that era, as in Stefan Kiszko, Anthony Steel and many
others.......... So it was under consideration.
Peter Sutcliffe's desire to be institutionalised was the answer to the
prayers of that faction who just wanted to close the case at any
price. The pressure from The Old Bag in London accelerated the
process.
It's a very interesting subject, and after The Old Bag in London and
James Hobson in Harrogate are well dead, the floodgates will open and
everybody else will be discussing the realities of the Yorkshire
Ripper cover-up with the same degree of freedom of expression as you
and I are doing now.
Some people are going to make an awful lot of money out of the
Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up, after The Old Bag and James Hobson are
dead.
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Apart from that, there is not a lot you can achieve.
You say you know who the real Yorkshire Ripper was and that he's now
dead but his female accomplice is still alive.
You know the West Yorkshire Police will never question that woman. The
Peter Sutcliffe Myth is set in stone as the Eleventh Commandment.
Oh yes, things will loosen up a bit after The Old Bag and James Hobson
are dead and the threat of a libel suit recedes.
The Yorkshire Ripper is dead now. The Peter Sutcliffe Myth gives us a
degree of social stability, as you seem to be saying, and you imply
that perhaps The Peter Sutcliffe Fabrication was in some ways a good
thing because it ended the hysteria even though the killings continued
'on the quiet' afterwards without the same collective terror.
Maybe the Peter Sutcliffe Myth was the lesser evil then, in a sense.
It robbed the real Yorkshire Ripper of his 'crown.'
He probably decided to quit while he was ahead, to the extent of not
contesting The Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
But he didn't stop killing after Peter Sutcliffe's arrest.
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FAKE SMILES AT THE FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc
Rupert Bear
There is no doubt that the real ripper would be well aware of other
girls
being killed by other men,, and that the press often speculated that
it might have been him..
He left his particular marks because he wanted them to know when it
was him,,
there is not much point in waging a campaign of terrorism if his
kills were not going to be attributed,, what do you think the
triangular weapon was all about...
The point I should try and make more clearly was that their were
two kinds of two's,, and in my scenario I place a couple..
This seems supported by the information available,, but here is the
nubb..
There is information missing as Oldfield and co kept as much as they
could to themselves..
And there was a couple who were having a gay old time leaving false
trails
to the NE and the fiver to Yorkshire,, one must ask,, what else might
have
suited them to leave,, to confuse the Police..
It may well have suited them to leave evidence that indicated another
man,,
or that possibly two men could be placed at the scene..
After all,, there had been talk of a missing couple at Halifax in the
press,,
They had been seen,, and they knew it,,
this was not going to be desirable situation
if they ever announced they were looking for a couple..
The primary point of posting letters from the NE was to
convince cops he was a Geordie and lead the hunt away from
themselves..
But two victims had been fortunate to survive and could describe
him as not local and most definitely not a Geordie..
You have to understand that this couple will have been spending a
great
deal of time pondering the situation and the risks to themselves,,
the lady in particular will have been looking to their future
security..
They will have known that the cops had two male voices to consider
and it will have suited their purposes to strengthen this belief by
leaving evidence in Bradford 79 that suggested two men instead of a
couple,,
The two I have in mind are quite capable of thinking this way..
Especially the lady,,,
You were on about two different blood types earlier,, well
maybe there is something in all that talk,,and they did
leave trace to indicate another man,,
Certainly there will have been two sets of footprints
on that muddy field in Halifax,, and it was just a matter
of introducing something to confuse the issue still further..
History would suggest that they succeeded in this aim..
All the persistent talk of Sutty's accomplice and maybe
the couple were overlooked for a while..
Perhaps the cops had been given reason to think they were
looking for two men working together, instead of a couple..
I think the couple may have used the Cops own sneaky ploy
(Yvonne Pearson) against them and the Cops were no longer
able to sort out the true series if they had two men involved
who sometimes acted together...
Once you understand the degree of confusion
that could be introduced by this clever couple
you can then understand that from the cops point of
view it may have been necessary to introduce a
mock-killing which they were certain could not be
attributed to either one of the unknown killers..
I.E. The Walls-Bandara series were listed seperately on
the police board... It would have to be so,, If there aim
was to truly convince the unknown killer/killers that
a genuine mistake had been made when they
convicted Sutty for crimes did not do..
It is a logical trail of speculation I follow,,
with many paths possible..
All I know for certain is that Sutty is not
the Ripper and that his conviction went through
all the courts with out a jot of forensic
confirmation being put forward,, because there could
not possibly have been any to offer..
Convicted on words in the Law lords theatre as
we have already discussed..
What Sutty actually is,, cannot be known,,,
but the deception is so great he may not have
killed anyone at all.. There were plenty of other
guys about..
He was after all just the Placebo Killer,
the effigy required for the
Exorcism of the Yorkshire Devils..
And if they can theatre like that through the royal court
then a little mock-death to swing things along might
also be possible..
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>
> Yvonne's rotting body was concealed under a sofa for about two
> months.
> The real Yorkshire Ripper made a point of placing his victims' bodies
> where they would be discovered the next day.
Rytka because something went very wrong for him that night,,
he must have been seen,,
Jean Jordan in Manchester is interesting,, she was
concealed underneath a door for a few days and then
an attempt was made days later to remove her head..
This one was very close to home for my couple,, I reckon it was
a true moment of opportunity for him,, he just came across her
working her butt,, and could resist temptation,, He just wanted to do
her and he did,, but it was a bad move so close to home in Manchester
because it brought the hunt closer,, so he left her under that door...
Went home and told the wife and got fecking great earful ill bet..
I can just imagine the bollocking he will have got then,, you damm
stupid fool you are not safe out on your own,, you will be getting
us both caught,, she wouldda been furious with him..
You better go an fix it so they don't know it was you,,, yeh I can
see him storming out and trying to cut off her head to make a mystery
killing out of it and that failed too cos his hacksaw blade will have
broken,, they was all cheap junk about then..
Meanwhile the brains had cooled down abit and thought things through,
she realised a fiver from Bradford would do the trick and lead the
hunt
back to Yorkshire,, back to the Yorkshire Ripper far away...
It would only take a crisp new fiver in the girls bag,, and I ll bet
she took
a walk with him to that place carrying that bag and they threw it
down
nearby,, quite risky as we are not sure when the body was discovered
in relation to the bag as it was found later over a hundred and odd
yards away,, I recollect speculation as to why the cops did not find
it
straight away..
The Ripper had a secret advantage al-right a rite clever
lady to help fix up his mess for him..
Oh enough just now,,,
I was gonna work through your thread....
But,, nuff just now for me..
Rupert Bear
Yes he did usually leave them to be easily found,,
displayed them in fact,, like setting a scene..
>
But some may point out that..
> Rytka and Jordon were also hidden,,
> Helens body was hidden because something
> he must have been seen,,
>
> read more »
Special Care
> > > > Marguerite Walls..
> > > > Specualtion,, in the Press of has the Ripper Returned
>
> > > > Reported as,,
> > > > found murdered and strangled in a Judges garden...
>
> > > > She put up a fight because she was ex forces,,
> > > > working with civil service,, and had time in
> > > > Northern Ireland..
>
> > > > Secretive,, kept to herself with no family or children..
> > > > Tidied up her desk before leaving work that day,,
> > > > her last day as she was now leave...
>
> > > > You know,, if someone had invoked powers normally
> > > > applied to Terrorism it could be done this way..
>
> > > > I speculate that if I one were to choose a person
> > > > to be mock-murdered,, and a place to do it,,
> > > > you would be hard put to find a better suited party
> > > > and place..
>
> > > > Her apparent murder would convince the Ripper
> > > > there was another man about the place,..
>
> > What Sutty actually is,, cannot be known,,,
> > but the deception is so great he may not have
> > killed anyone at all.. There were plenty of other
> > guys about..
>
Given the extent of the deception in the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up,
endless speculation is possible.
That is why it will be such a great money spinner after The Old Bag
and Jim Hobson are dead and the threat of a libel suit recedes.
This leads back to Henry Kissinger's statement following the Allende
business in Chile in 1973:
"If I have to choose between justice and stability, I will choose
stability."
Given that the punters don't really care about anything, why not just
give them their fake Ripper / fake hate figure?
Much of the pressure for a fake conviction - apart from that emanating
from The Old Bag in London - may have come from Leeds City Council and
Chamber of Commerce, if that's what it's still called..... The Ripper
scare was bad for business, bad for tourism, and Leeds took the brunt
of the bad publicity. At that time Leeds was beginning to be hyped up
as the Mecca of the north in the context of The Old Bag's Brave New
World.
Leeds was being postulated as a place where there was loads of money
to be made if you're devious enough and ruthless enough......., which
it did in fact become afterwards in a way. To make it happen, the City
Fathers needed a fake conviction to put an end to the Yorkshire Ripper
hysteria.
This leads back to Henry Kissinger's statement following the Allende
business in Chile in 1973:
"If I have to choose between justice and stability, I will choose
stability."
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Women should stick to their dogs, for personal safety:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuH3niaUKc&feature=related
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I'M JACK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4
Rupert Bear
> On Sep 13, 7:22 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
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>
> This leads back to Henry Kissinger's statement following the Allende
> business in Chile in 1973:
> "If I have to choose between justice and stability, I will choose
> stability."
>
> Given that the punters don't really care about anything, why not just
> give them their fake Ripper / fake hate figure?
>
so long now they might feel they are better off by not caring..
Don't know why you bring Kissinger into this,, that Yorkshire was
well again was a perception I presented from a certain point of view..
Perhaps the situation could have been handled differently,, they
never
did try being honest with the Public..
Thought they'd be clever and catch him on the sneak or
sumthin like that and when they numpties new they
failed to get him,, they just say DNA an stick Humble away..
I mean to say.. we got thirty years of sneaky poison stuffed down
our necks already while they floundered about trying to catch the guy
without telling us they was still looking..
An when they failed they just say DNA,, cos it's so easy..
Quite apart from the betrayal of trust and integrity..
You only have to look a couple of snaps of the girls left in
the mud and puddles of blood to understand what is wrong..
I do not need to post links here the images are easily found.
How do they dare feed us with all that fiction re these killings,,
so much in fact,, that when some justice and truth is eventually on
offer,,
their self-inflicted heritage of lies, floundering and deception
is held to be of greater importance than any trace of truth or
integrity or justice for those girls and their families..
Never mind the rest of us..
There is so much wrong with this way of management
I am lost for words to describe it,, its
like we was all just dumb farm animals
being patronized and just fecking lied to basically..
I call it corruption,, I call it propaganda,
The mad Hatters Tea Party behind pretty lace curtains,,
Happy Valley here we come,,Baa..Bleat..Baa.
As much as you like,,!
Through the Miasma..
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Special Care
It’s possible to speculate endlessly, almost, about certain aspects of
the Yorkshire Ripper case.
Mr Noel O’Gara is dogmatic in his approach. I admire Mr Noel O’Gara
and will not say anything negative about him. We all owe him a debt of
gratitude for taking this burden on himself and keeping the flame of
truth burning for three decades, meaning the core truth that Peter
Sutcliffe is not the Yorkshire Ripper.
And that’s what I’m getting at: core truths.
You can speculate and postulate as much as you like about some
peripheral details. However, it is important to remain anchored or
grounded in the core AXIOMS, the core of non-disputable facts about
the Yorkshire Ripper case.
When you suggested that ‘maybe Peter Sutcliffe never killed anyone,’
that was a bridge too far. I’ve written some good stuff, but I talk a
bit funny when I’m drunk, and my few readers who take an interest
understand that and appreciate both my formal and informal writings
and distinguish between the two. Are you going the same way?
If it helps, I’ll just state the core AXIOMS of the Yorkshire Ripper
Cover-up as I see them, just ‘off the cuff’ -
==================================================
1. In October 1975 a cunning maniac murdered Wilma McCann in Leeds. A
few months later he murdered Emily Jackson a mile up the road, leaving
the two bodies in approximately the same condition, to signal to the
West Yorkshire Police that they were killed by the same man. This was
the beginning of a reign of terror in the north of England during
1975-80 by a man the media were quick to dub “The Yorkshire Ripper.”
2. At about the same time, by an amazing confluence of events, unique
in the history of true crime, an emotionally damaged man named Peter
Sutcliffe also began a series of clumsy, chaotic murders and assaults
on women in the same region.
3. The West Yorkshire Police, particularly after the Yvonne Pearson
‘glitch’ in early 1978, became aware that at least two people -
whether male or female - were involved in the series of killings
because two different blood types were being left at the crime
scenes.
4. In 1978-79, letters and a tape recording were sent to George
Oldfield containing information that only one of the two killers could
have known, information not made public by the police. George Oldfield
made the (literally) fatal error of assuming the voice on the “I’m
Jack” tape was the voice of the Yorkshire Ripper. There was no
justification for assuming that. The voice could have been anybody’s -
for example a homeless drunk anywhere in the country - or even abroad
- bribed with money and plied with drink and asked to make a recording
‘just for fun,’ and afterwards murdered by the real Yorkshire Ripper.
The only thing that was certain about the letters and tape was that
*their sender* knew details which only one of the two killers could
have known.
TO SAY THAT THE YORKSHIRE RIPPER MUST HAVE A CASTLETOWN ACCENT WAS A
TOTAL NONSEQUITUR.
5. It’s almost impossible for the police to catch an intelligent,
cunning random killer (unless s/he wants to be caught, as some of them
do, to ‘claim their crown’). The Yorkshire Ripper did not want to be
caught and was never caught. However, Peter Sutcliffe, a clumsy,
emotionally damaged man - by a unique confluence of events - killed
about five women and assaulted about ten others during those same
years when the Yorkshire Ripper was active. By December 1980 the
emotional weakling Peter Sutcliffe couldn’t cope with the stress any
longer and he forced the police to arrest him to get himself into
institutional care. Such was the pressure from Margaret Thatcher, from
the Leeds Chamber of Commerce, from the feminist movement etc. that a
deal was done. As if by a silent universal conspiratorial consensus of
the ‘group mind,’ it was assented to by the entire population. The
Peter Sutcliffe Myth was fabricated and everybody heaved a sigh of
relief now that the Yorkshire Ripper affair was over. It was over only
in group mind fantasy and wishful thinking but not in fact. The
Yorkshire Ripper continued to kill after Peter Sutcliffe’s arrest, the
media then using headlines such as “imitation Ripper at large?” or “is
there a new Ripper?” But the Peter Sutcliffe Myth was and still is
inviolable for most people, because they needed to pretend the
nightmare was over. And now they’ve gone so far down the wrong road
that it’s too embarrassing to turn back. (David Yallop, for example.
He knows the truth, the core axioms of the case, but how can “the
greatest investigative writer in the world” admit to being a total
fool in relation to the Yorkshire Ripper case?)
6. The Real Yorkshire Ripper chose not to tempt fate after the Peter
Sutcliffe Myth was created. For example he didn’t send another letter
boasting that they’d got the wrong man. He also chose not to ‘stage a
spectacular’ - leaving another body in Leeds bearing the same marks as
he’d left on Wilma, Emily and Jayne…. In that sense the Yorkshire
Ripper ‘quit while he was ahead.’ The Peter Sutcliffe Myth remains an
Article of Faith, The Eleventh Commandment, for most people. Just as
there is only one God, similarly we have to believe in the religious
doctrine that there is only one Yorkshire Ripper. However, after
Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are six feet under and the threat
of a libel suit recedes, the floodgates of freedom of expression will
open wide with regard to the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.
==================================================
OK well that’s just an ‘off the cuff’ statement of the AXIOMS. You
went too far when you speculated that ‘maybe Peter Sutcliffe didn’t
kill anyone.’ Yes it’s all terribly confused and there were plenty of
other women getting bumped off in mysterious circumstances in the
north during those years, while dirtbags such as Dick Holland beat
confessions out of innocent fall guys in the soundproofed basements of
Millgarth or Dewsbury ‘nick’ to close the books and to make themselves
eligible for promotion. Stefan Kiszko, Anthony Steel, Judith Ward,
John Humble, Ronald Castree…..the list is long and the West Riding
Constabulary has a shameful history to live down.
I’m just saying it is important to identify and to remain grounded in
the core, non-disputable facts or AXIOMS.
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Also, I’d like to say that I admire both Mr Noel O’Gara and yourself
for stating your cases so intelligently, although neither of you can
prove your accusations beyond all doubt.
And I am very sad to have to predict that after The Old Bag in London
and James Hobson in Harrogate are six feet under and the threat of a
libel suit recedes and the floodgates of truth open, your work and Mr
Noel O’Gara’s work will be shamelessly plagiarised by the chancers who
are going to make an awful lot of money out of the endless speculation
about the REAL Yorkshire Ripper.
I’ve made my little contribution too and some of my observations are
original. They’ll plagiarise my ideas also, and they’ll make a lot of
money. It’s the way of the world in an inverted civilisation such as
this one.
The vultures are circling, waiting for The Old Bag in London and James
Hobson in Harrogate to die, so that the threat of a libel suit recedes
and then the filthy parasites can move in and feed off this unique
money spinner that is the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.
But God knows all things.
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Rupert Bear
> ==================================================
>
> It’s possible to speculate endlessly, almost, about certain aspects of
> the Yorkshire Ripper case.
to those who need to find an answer that makes sense..
Like a jig-saw puzzle,
one has to explore all the ways things might fit together..
> And that’s what I’m getting at: core truths.
> You can speculate and postulate as much as you like about some
> peripheral details. However, it is important to remain anchored or
> grounded in the core AXIOMS, the core of non-disputable facts about
AXIOMS,,basic facts,,,to you an me..
Here are a couple of important ones..
A fair haired man ,, speaking with a non local,, non Yorkshire,,
non Geordie,,, and definately non Irish voice...
was confirmed by the only two girls who were lucky enough to
survive a conversation with the man..
Not Local they said,, maybe from liverpool..
these ladies were not present at the smutty trial..!
>
> When you suggested that ‘maybe Peter Sutcliffe never killed anyone,’
> that was a bridge too far. I’ve written some good stuff, but I talk a
> bit funny when I’m drunk, and my few readers who take an interest
> understand that and appreciate both my formal and informal writings
> and distinguish between the two. Are you going the same way?
going the same way as you ,,never,,
> If it helps, I’ll just state the core AXIOMS of the Yorkshire Ripper
Man with old smell in nose,, smells with an old smell in his nose,,
good un eh,,Eh..
Your regular readers might appreciate it..
> Cover-up as I see them, just ‘off the cuff’ -
> ==================================================
>
> 1. In October 1975 a cunning maniac murdered Wilma McCann in Leeds.
> I’m just saying it is important to identify and to remain grounded in
> the core, non-disputable facts or AXIOMS.
but that Irish bible you are reading from is the old smell..
White man speak with forked tongue..
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Special Care
conference.?
He was the one most intimately involved and active in the front line
of the creation of the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
Dick Holland was the front-line foot soldier of the Peter Sutcliffe
Myth.
He negotiated the deal with Peter Sutcliffe's solicitors, Lumb and
Kenningham, while agreeing with Mickey Havers that both the
prosecution and the defence would take it as axiomatic that Peter
Sutcliffe is crazy.
Then they were all temporarily wrong-footed when Judge Boreham saw
that "the Emperor was naked" ........ and refused to read from the
script.
I suppose Dick Holland knew he wouldn't be able to keep a straight
face at the fake press conference, just as 'the three stooges'
couldn't.
He didn't want to be judged by the final verdict of history as one of
the three stooges at the fake press conference.
So he arranged a discreet illness or prior engagement.
Rupert Bear
> By the way, why was Dick Holland not present at the fake press
> conference.?
> He was the one most intimately involved and active in the front line
> of the creation of the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
> Dick Holland was the front-line foot soldier of the Peter Sutcliffe
> Myth.
> He negotiated the deal with Peter Sutcliffe's solicitors, Lumb and
> Kenningham, while agreeing with Mickey Havers that both the
> prosecution and the defence would take it as axiomatic that Peter
> Sutcliffe is crazy.
>
but it was a Press Conference ,,, a Public presentation from the
forces of lor an order,, and they Stuck Oldfield up on the podium,,
the *most* public face involved in the manhunt..
Holland, would not have been high ranking enough will be one reason,,
I reckon Holland believed the Ripper was a Geordie even more than
Oldfield,,
maybe he was not keen on the Smutty carry on..
he was usually seen in the background behind Oldfield,,
It was when Oldfield went into hospital that he came into
eminence for a while,, and that was when all trace of
"Maybe another mans voice sank without trace"
Holland authorised elimination on the grounds voice and handwriting
while Oldfield was convalescent..
I reckon Holland was well an truly sold on the Geordie Ripper
theme..
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Special Care
> Holland might have been involved up to his neck re what was going on..
> but it was a Press Conference ,,, a Public presentation from the
> forces of lor an order,, and they Stuck Oldfield up on the podium,,
> the *most* public face involved in the manhunt..
>
DICK HOLLAND AND THE FAKE DEBATES
Before he died Dick Holland appeared as a ‘talking head’ in some of
the TV documentaries which parroted the Peter Sutcliffe Myth. It’s
painful to listen to him.
After Sutcliffe forced his arrest, a fake axiom was adopted as an
article of faith, the doctrine that there was only one Yorkshire
Ripper and he is Peter Sutcliffe. Thou shalt not have strange gods
before me........... and the many previous statements that there were
two killers involved were reclassified as heresy/apostasy and must
never be mentioned again. Noel O’Gara - a lone voice for many years -
wouldn’t adopt the new religion, and he was ridiculed for stating the
obvious, meaning the core truth that there were two Yorkshire Rippers
and the main one was allowed to remain free.
When a fake axiom is imposed, the script is rewritten so as to lend a
fake plausibility to the new fake axiom.
In those misguided TV documentaries, Dick Holland was reading from
that new script.
THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL / NEW AXIOMS / REWRITTEN SCRIPTS:
For those who want to understand the psychology, most of us have
experienced or observed the ending of an intense love relationship.
Usually when such a relationship ends, something similar happens. One
or both partners replace the previous axioms with new axioms (possibly
fake though sometimes newly accepted truths) so as to rationalise the
new situation. Then new scripts are written and recited to lend
plausibility to the new axioms concerning the relationship that is
ending.
Axioms and scripts or discussions to support them are necessary if
society is to function. Sometimes the axioms are false.
Nearly all of us have experienced or observed that process in action.
So *the psychology of love relationships in decline* is an aid to
understanding the psychodynamics of The Peter Sutcliffe Myth, which is
a fake axiom that required the rewriting of all relevant scripts to
lend a fake plausibility to the new fake axiom.
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The Yorkshire Ripper cover-up is a BIG LIE. People can’t cope with it
because its implications overturn the lazy, conventional view of our
society. If you let yourself think it through all the way, the
Yorkshire Ripper cover-up means that the West Yorkshire Police, Leeds
Chamber of Commerce, Margaret Thatcher and many other pillars of the
community are accomplices in the serial murder of women in England as
a result of taking the decision to call off the hunt for the Yorkshire
Ripper by pretending he had been caught.
When the truth is too much to bear, human beings take refuge in fake
axioms and the fake scripts that lend plausibility to those fake
axioms. So Dick Holland was given an easy ride in those fake TV
documentaries. The alternative was too painful.
The furore died down, Mrs T was free to dance across the world stage
without the potential embarrassment of the Keystone Cops of Yorkshire,
and Leeds began to boom again as ‘the hub of the north.’
But at a terrible price.
The spectre of The Real Yorkshire Ripper still casts a menacing shadow
over us all, contaminating our emotional integrity and engraving an
embarrassing question mark on the validity of our societal contract
between government and governed.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU
Special Care
OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
==============================
I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.
“…The next victim was another teenager, aged sixteen, still at school
in her home town of Harrogate in North Yorkshire. On 17 February 1979
she was attacked from behind during the early hours of the morning and
hit across the head with a blunt instrument. The girl, Miss M,
suffered severe head injuries, but since she had not seen her attacker
could not help police with a description.
Somewhat extraordinarily, the police in North Yorkshire did not regard
this as a crime and concluded that she had fallen on an icy pavement
and injured herself.
…….an official report would conclude several years later:
‘……..although Professor Gee studied the X-ray photographs of Miss M’s
skull and said that the injuries were not consistent with a hammer
attack, she had three clearly visible semicircular injuries to her
scalp which even to the layman were not consistent with an accidental
fall.’”
[End of brief extract from Michael Bilton’s book, reproduced for
review/promotion purposes in accordance with copyright law.]
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Yes well, we are all very polite and refined in Harrogate.
We don’t do Yorkshire Ripper in Harrogate.
So yes………..
“Somewhat extraordinarily, the police in North Yorkshire did not
regard this as a crime and concluded that she had fallen on an icy
pavement and injured herself.”
Michael Bilton clearly hasn’t spent much time in Harrogate.
HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE
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Special Care
Rupert Bear
> ==============================
>
> OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
>
> ==============================
>
> I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
> book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
>
> Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.
<http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?
action=view¤t=HumbleInterview.mp4>
What are you suggesting about the Girl in Harrogate..
Rupert Bear.
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 07:23:03 -0700, Special Care wrote:
>
>> It is true that Peter Sutcliffe was a very sad and pathetic figure.
>
> Well ,,apart from your first line,, an you
> personal
> experiences with the ladies, I disagree,,
>
> I've grown tired of hearing Noels old toot about Sutty,,
> his rhetoric serves only to cloud the already very murky waters,
> and to present the idea of another man....
> In that last quest he succeeds to a considerable degree..
>
Yeah Noels old toot sounds abit like the "new axioms" mr
posh words gans on about alus time...
Its jus as bad as the official version,,,
"Dont worry youl fall in line"
Heard that anywhere before...
I think we've al been getting swindled..
More links to the facts..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=GodfreysGaf.mp4
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=CalculatingKiller.mp4
The comedy..
<http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=HumbleInterview.mp4>
The couple.. (in my scenario)
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/
....................................................................
Special Care
> On Sep 24, 9:58 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ==============================
>
> > OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
>
> > ==============================
>
> > I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
> > book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
>
> > Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.
>
> Well I always find this vid rather comical..
>
>
If you mean the Noel O'Gara interview with Ron Warren, there is
nothing comical about it. It is a window of truth shining into an
inverted civilisation.
It's safe to say that Peter Sutcliffe killed about five women and
assaulted about then women during 1972-1980.
I don't know if he hit that girl in Harrogate with a hammer.
I was just drawing attention to the fact that Harrogate is a funny
town.
We are all very polilte and refined in Harrogate.
So that girl slipped on the ice.
We don't do Yorkshire Ripper in Harrogate.
"CLUELESS"
POOR OLD OLDFIELD
WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
MISLED BY A VOICE
RELEASE OF DRURY
AROUSES FURY
BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
NEXT ON THE LIST
Rupert Bear
> On Sep 28, 1:10 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 24, 9:58 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ==============================
>
> > > OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
>
> > > ==============================
>
> > > I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
> > > book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
>
> > > Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.
>
> > Well I always find this vid rather comical..
>
> ---------
> > What are you suggesting about the Girl in Harrogate..
>
> ----------------------------
>
> If you mean the Noel O'Gara interview with Ron Warren, there is
> nothing comical about it. It is a window of truth shining into an
> inverted civilisation.
>
this vid is funny,,,
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=HumbleInterview.mp4
For those with cogent difficulties ,,, it refers to John Humbles so-
called confession..
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Rupert Bear
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:27:37 +0000, Rupert Bear. wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 07:23:03 -0700, Special Care wrote:
>
> >> It is true that Peter Sutcliffe was a very sad and pathetic figure.
>
> > Well ,,apart from your first line,, an you
> > personal
> > experiences with the ladies, I disagree,,
>
> > I've grown tired of hearing Noels old toot about Sutty,,
> > his rhetoric serves only to cloud the already very murky waters,
> > and to present the idea of another man....
> > In that last quest he succeeds to a considerable degree..
>
> Yeah Noels old toot sounds abit like the "new axioms" mr
> posh words gans on about alus time...
>
> Its jus as bad as the official version,,,
> "Dont worry youl fall in line"
> Heard that anywhere before...
>
> I think we've al been getting swindled..
>
> More links to the facts..
>
>
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=vie...
>
> The comedy..
>
> <http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=vie...>
> The couple.. (in my scenario)
>
>
> ....................................................................
Oop's...
Forgot..to say..
I made this little thingy up a couple of years ago,,
When I knew I spotted something wrong...
Worth a look I think..
<http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam
%20Images/?action=view¤t=TheHandwitingdoesnotallmatch.mp4>
...................................................
Rupert Bear
checked it..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view¤t=TheHandwitingdoesnotallmatch.mp4
Nuther..
The Universal Infant
Well, why the almost secretive 'trial' of John Humble? Where were the
linguisitics experts and the voice recognition technology, so beloved
of The Boys Up At Menwith Hill?
Do the voice prints match?
We don't know.
Only a confession.
It was easy to frame John Humble.
Just as it was easy to frame Anthony Steel.
Where is John Humble now?
It is one of the biggest stories of our time, of huge interest to all
newspaper readers....and yet it is never mentioned.
I thought newspaper owners were in the business of selling newspapers
by publishing stories of interest to the general public, such as:
THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.
But maybe I was wrong.
The total silence from the media and from ruling group stooges is
deafening.
Rupert Bear.
I kinda got off on on a ramble after reading this thread,,,
http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?thread_id=40216
and later watching that Wright Show, wi the tatto's and I was wondering
where they find all thame queer folks..
Mother pointed out they probably got paid on the show,,
her undeniable logic appealed to my sensibilities...
..........................................
I don't like thame fancy words,, how many times to I have to look AXIOM up,,
and I come across a mathematical probability axiom too...
Cricky,, It makes me head hurt..
I suppose Sanity Claus could be a fake Axiom,, An Holland could
be Sanity wi a sackload ...
John Humble is just accepted as "Wearside Jack" in a similar manner,,
someone you trust told the kiddies that Sanity comes down the chimminy and fills
your room wi prezzies while you sleep...Course when the kiddies get a bit wizer
they start to figure how can it be so when we don't have a chimminy..
But anyway,, they is not wantin to spoil a good thing an Sanity keeps on coming
chiminy or no... Wi divvna want thame logical processes spoiling a good thing...
Do Wi...
Well Ah alus thought of myself as havin tha Grinchy streak inme,, maybe its the Scots
blud or sumthin...
And I pick on your request to think things through...In a nuther way..
Bearing in mind al thame mathey matty,, axiomatic probabilty immponerables..
that get mi pare old noggins agroanin...
I would be interesting to calculate the probabilities of the
Humble-Smutty scenario,,with the bonus, mystery solution, of Chris Smith (Preston 75)
also being included into a problem that wad set auld Zaphods heeds a spinning..
If you remember,, the person who sent the so-called hoax letters and tape to Oldfield,,
Also,, licked a stamp on the enveleope that showed he had very rare B secretor blood type..
They reckoned it was no more than 6% of folks with the same type..
For a long time they believed that because the man in Preston
also left traces of that same rare blood type on the body,,
AND, because the letter writer who claimed he killed her was that rare blood type,,
then it was pretty convincing on those facts alone,, that the letter-writer
was the man who done the deed..
This became clear in 1979 after they recieved the third letter from the
so-called hoaxer and found the B type blood on that envelope..
Rare Blood Type Connection,,, CORRECT.
But there were two earlier letters from that man one week in March 1978..
It was in these first two letters that he claimed the Preston killing was one of
his earlier doings.. Also in those two letters he predicted that the death of an old
hooker in Manchester or Liverpool would be next...
Sure enough,, a few weeks later that is exactly what happened,,
quite a prediction really,, when you think about it,, (IF ANYONE EVER DOES)
That he predicted the Yorkshire Ripper would next strike outside of Yorkshire,CORRECT.
That it would be an old gal next time,,, CORRECT.
MANCHESTER OR LIVERPOOL,,,,??
(One wouldn't want to be too precise when telling the cops where
you were gonna kill next time if you was the real killer,, would you..)
Given that it was a fair bet the cops wont believe your letter,
but you would not want to take UNDUE RISKS,,So Ill give him,,a.. A CALCULATED CORRECT.
Undue Risks,,???
What could they be,,?
Well perhaps you should understand that this killer
was a calculating killer,, who thought things through..
These two video clips should help...
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=CalculatingKiller.mp4
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=GodfreysGaf.mp4
The undue risks to the killer might just be that as doctor green mentioned in the
first video,, he was a creature of habit with a ritualistic tidiness involved..
He would pose their bodies and rearrange their clothing in a certain careful manner
that became just as much his trade mark,, as the use of the hammer..
It was unusual the way this killer tidied up the scene and re-arranged the clothes,
It showed a coolness,, as most other killers would leave the scene as soon as possible
I would guess..
The re-arranging of clothes and garments of the Preston victim did have marked
similarities to other murders,,Holland and other have remarked on this point many times..
So maybe the calculating killer considered that the cops
just might take his letter seriously enough to post surveillance..
Yeah,, given that he would still want to be careful and not
get caught,, that he split the difference and suggested two possible
locations outside Yorkshire,, that he said "Manchester or Liverpool"
is still near enough to hit the buttons and gets another "correct" from me....
Same re-arranging of clothes was found IN Preston
and at other crime scenes in Oldfields Ripper line up.. CORRECT.
Yeah,,we started out with a 6% chance multiplied or divided by another 6% chance,,
I can't do the calculus,, but the probability of this lot occurring quite by chance
starts out from the very first CORRECT,, as HIGHLY IMPROBABLE,,, and by the time
you get the other four multipliers worked in and evaluated you are into the LOTTO
winning numbers and above..
Its "Hoots Man Jack the Noo" we is cooking with gasas the Lancashire cops said
after they discovered the killer had left a distinct bite mark they could easily
identifiy...
Oop's there's another thing a diddna include in my calculation,, bite marks
reported as recorded on the Halifax victim,, but the poor old dentist
didn't write his finding down properly,, and went an died before
they got around to checkin wi im...
Oh man is tha Ripper case no fair riddled wi al thame feeble excusens...
I reckon another full CORRECT is merited here,, but as It is not
needed to make my point,, all leave out out as a
knit-pickers concession....
Chances that the Preston Killer was not connected in some way to
Smutty are a million to one as Patrick Lavelle mentioned in his
book,, "Shadow of the Ripper"...
I like his book by the way,, but his conclusions tantalise
and baffle logical thinking,,, Lavelle,,like some mystical wood fairy,,
blindly dancing around a log in the woods but by magic never stumbled
over it once..
The conclusions at the end of his book do rather omit the obvious,,
but that is another argument....
Back to the Point,, If you was to put your money on the letter writer
not being connected in any way to either the Preston killing,, or as
Smutty's Super Sunderland chum,, you would be going against the odds
of logical evaluation to such a fantastic degree,, it would
take old Beeblebrocks to figure you was into the rare atmosphere
of a lotto winning number..
Looking at whats wrong at the Smutty convictions/fessions,, aside.. that
they wanted a faired haired man who did not speak with a local accent..
and convicted Smutty who has dark hair and local voice....
Too complicated here..
So,,,To The Million Dollar Question,,,
What happens to the million to one (against) odds when you add Chris Smith
into the calculation,, Preston 75 (Joan Harrison)...
Even the "False Fecking Axioms" are torn apart and
written again,, "regrettable co-incidence",, were told, this time from
high and mighty places,, nuther o thame feeble excusens,, say's I..
Look at it this way,,
We are now asked to swaller,, that some poor hapless drunk who said
he could not even remember,,(other versions are available if this one don't suit)
committing the greatest criminal hoax of all time...
That John Humble was Wearside Jack,, who,, quite by chance,,
managed to pick out the Preston Murder which,, by chance,,was committed by a man
who just happened to have the same rare blood type as himself..
AND That this Chris Smith chap just by chance happened to leave clues of such unique
character,, they matched the very murders that the letter-writer was trying to
convice the cops that he dun,,, and succeded to the extent that by the end of 79
books had been written and the Preston Murder was definitely one of the series..
That the so-called Hoaxer struck lucky yet again by leaving traces of oil on
the envelope which matched traces of oil found on the Halifax victims body
caused the cops to believe their man was an engineer and began checking
engineering firms in Sunderland..
That something positively connected with the NE
and the letters and Preston after Halifax..Is another big fat CORRECT..
The letter writer managed to predict three murders,,
ive already mentioned the one in Manchester,,
but for Halifax and the,, CORRECT..
Bradford 79 tape prediction CORRECT..
The Yorkshire Ripper Case (official solution) as we are presented,
issuch an unfathomable collection of implausibility heaped on
yet more inconceivably unlikely circumstances of chance..
All I can say is that all the inconceivably implausible explanations
grow more convincing by their number,, by common sense calculus,,
any kind of rough reckoning you wish to apply should tell anyone
who cares to look that the whole thing it just cannot be so,,
it is a massive crock of bullshit..
Compounded finally by the magical dead-mans-fession from Chris Smith,,
yup,, all solved with three fessions an they,,,, "Jest Yorkshire Cops"
must have had the magical tooth fairy helping them out wi that last one..
Talk aboot a malignant Miasma hingin ower it all,,
the hale story issa mingin mess and all we hear about is
the contented munchin o livestock eatin their chips oot
o the papers...
Yeah well,, Haggis runs roon hills and has short legs on one side,,
And Sanities Reindeer has a red nose...
Nuther..
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of him in the soundproofed basements of Millgarth, why even bother to
mention what John Humble's blood type is................. It hardly
matters..... nothing matters much if it is so easy to frame a
vulnerable alcoholic such as John Humble and then to make him
DISAPPEAR within the 'system.'
There's something wrong with people in England.
In Chile, even when Pinochet was still in power, people were out on
the streets clamouring to know where the DISAPPEARED were. Same in
Argentina and El Salvador....
But in England nobody cares about THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.
It's one of the most sensational news stories of the early twenty-
first century, THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.
And nobody wants to know about it, and there's a D-NOTICE on it for
newspaper editors............ in an informal sense.
The Universal Infant
No, they didn't have to beat John Humble black and blue because he was
a chronic alcoholic, and they could manipulate him on that basis.
I didn't mean a formal "legal" "D Notice" ..........whatever that word
"legal" might mean............ I was only referring to a certain
arrangement between the ruling group and newspaper editors.....
..... "a gentleman's agreement?" ....
.......... which we become aware of as we reach maturity.
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Was he?
Ordered to smile at the fake press conference.
And he drank himself to death in the few years that followed.
Poor Old Oldfield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc
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words:
"George is delighted as well?"
If the West Yorkshire Police really had caught the Yorkshire Ripper,
why would anybody need to ORDER George Oldfield to smile?
George Oldfield was wrecked at that moment. He had to be ordered to
smile by the ruling group stooge Ronald Gregory.
Nothing adds up in the Yorkshire Ripper case.
Poor Old Oldfield.
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POOR OLD OLDFIELD
WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
MISLED BY A VOICE
RELEASE OF DRURY
AROUSES FURY
BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
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Thatcher and her desire to be able to dance across the world stage as
the Prima Donna / The Queen of Heaven..... with her leading man Ron
Reagan, the cheap two-bit anti-commy B-movie gunman.
That is where the pressure was coming from mainly, from the Queen of
Heaven down there in London.
So the FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE ensued, on orders from The Queen of
Heaven down there in London who wanted to be able to dance across the
world stage with the B-movie gunman Ron Reagan, without some upstart
reporter detracting from her "glory" by asking her why the Keystone
Cops in England can't catch the Yorkshire Ripper......
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...AREN'T YOU, GEORGE.....?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc
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The text reproduced below does seem to sum up what was really going on
back then in 1981 at the time of the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco.
I admit I didn't see it at first.
The main pressure came from The Queen of Heaven in London.
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The Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up has an awful lot to do with Margaret
Thatcher and her desire to be able to dance across the world stage as
the Prima Donna / The Queen of Heaven..... with her leading man Ron
Reagan, the cheap two-bit anti-commy B-movie gunman.
That is where the pressure was coming from mainly, from the Queen of
Heaven down there in London.
So the FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE ensued, on orders from The Queen of
Heaven down there in London who wanted to be able to dance across the
world stage with the B-movie gunman Ron Reagan, without some upstart
reporter detracting from her "glory" by asking her why the Keystone
Cops in England can't catch the Yorkshire Ripper......
Special Care
As a woman, Margaret Thatcher should have cared about leaving the
Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing other women in England in the
years after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco in 1981.
But Margaret Thatcher didn't care.
Glory is addictive.
The only thing Margaret Thatcher ever cared about was her *glory
rating* as she danced accross the world stage with the cheap B-movie
gunman Ron Reagan.
And to hell with the women of England who were going to be killed by
the Yorkshire Ripper after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco.
Rupert Bear
> As a woman, Margaret Thatcher should have cared about leaving the
> Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing other women in England in the
> years after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco in 1981.
>
> But Margaret Thatcher didn't care.
>
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Well there's all kinds of caring..
Depending on your point of view..
It was one of Thatcher's strengths that she did not restrict herself
to dealing with the papers civil servants gave her.
Everybody and everything was her business,
including a notorious murder case in the North of England.
By the start of the Eighties, the Yorkshire Ripper case had become a
public scandal,
with questions being asked about how the police could have invested
millions of pounds
and thousands of man hours hunting for a killer who had been roaming
the North
for more than four years, without any sign they were getting any
closer to catching him.
No one could accuse the police of not trying.
Computer technology was then in its infancy.
All the witness statements and other evidence collected by hundreds of
officers
was recorded on paper. They were drowning in paper.
Because there was no national police force and the killer
did not respect police authority boundaries,
several hunts were being carried out by different forces.
Then the police latched on to something that appeared to bring them
close to solving the case.
They had received letters and a tape by a man purporting to be the
killer,
whose accent identified him as coming from somewhere near Sunderland.
Northumbria Police invested about £1 million interviewing men
all over Wearside.
Early on the morning of Tuesday, November 18, 1980,
the mutilated body of a Leeds University student,
Jacqueline Hill, was discovered.
She was the 13th woman murdered by the Ripper.
Public exasperation with the police reached a new pitch.
In a biography of Thatcher published while she was in office,
Hugo Young claimed she was so incensed about the Hill murder
and the apparent incompetence of the police that she announced
she was going to Leeds to take over the investigation in person
'because nobody but her, she thought,
really cared about the fate of these wretched women'.
It was left to Home Secretary William Whitelaw
to persuade her it might not be a brilliant idea to have the
Prime Minister stationed at Leeds Police headquarters for days on end.
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"Then the Police latched on to something"
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Perhaps they got pissed up one night
and next day found themselves on a bus to
Sunderland..
Or consulted Fat Mary wot read the tea leaves..
Darts at a map,,????
Spect they had their reasons...
But they never did explain them properly..
An kept the content of those letters secret
til after Smutty was convicted..
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Oh Well...
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Rupert Bear
> On Oct 10, 10:26 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As a woman, Margaret Thatcher should have cared about leaving the
> > Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing other women in England in the
> > years after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco in 1981.
>
> > But Margaret Thatcher didn't care.
>
> ############
>
> Well there's all kinds of caring..
> Depending on your point of view..
>
> all over Wearside.
>
> Early on the morning of Tuesday, November 18, 1980,
> the mutilated body of a Leeds University student,
> Jacqueline Hill, was discovered.
> She was the 13th woman murdered by the Ripper.
> Public exasperation with the police reached a new pitch.
>
> In a biography of Thatcher published while she was in office,
> Hugo Young claimed she was so incensed about the Hill murder
> and the apparent incompetence of the police that she announced
> she was going to Leeds to take over the investigation in person
> 'because nobody but her, she thought,
> really cared about the fate of these wretched women'.
>
> It was left to Home Secretary William Whitelaw
> to persuade her it might not be a brilliant idea to have the
> Prime Minister stationed at Leeds Police headquarters for days on end.
>
> .............................................................................
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view¤t=ReplaceOldfield.jpg
>
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>
Rupert Bear
> On Oct 10, 3:29 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 10, 10:26 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrot
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> > Related to above.
> >http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=vie...
>
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Sir Bernard Ingam was Maggies Press Secretary,,
A Yorkshireman,, nicknamed Maggies Rotwieller..
apparently he worked for the Yorkshire Post at one time,,
and stood for the ward of Moortown in Leeds prior to
his engagement with Maggie..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Ingham
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