Odd label on Boiler
Mark Carver
It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
See picture:-
http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
Why, and what does it all mean ?
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Andy Burns
> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>
> http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>
> Why, and what does it all mean ?
https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/f223a4f576a561cb?hl=en
fred
<mark....@invalid.invalid> writes
>A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>
>It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>
>See picture:-
>
>http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>
>Why, and what does it all mean ?
>
Chimney sweeps used to wear top hats I think and carry ladders so maybe
there's some tenuous link to boiler servicing.
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Davey
Mark Carver <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>
> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>
> See picture:-
>
> http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>
> Why, and what does it all mean ?
>
You could try here:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_cafe_symbols.htm
Maybe it's only for well-dressed climbers?
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MJA
> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>
> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>
> See picture:-
>
> http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>
> Why, and what does it all mean ?
I suspect that to a German it would be a symbol for a chimney sweep,
and therefore mean "maintenance mode".
Here is a blog in English I found with Google with a nice picture and
some explanation of chimney sweeps in Germany:
auftakt.blogspot.com/2011/03/schornsteinfeger-chimneysweeps.html
and an English article from Speigel about new energy efficiency
measures and the duty of the chimney sweep to report homeowners with
inefficient equipment. It has a nice picture, though:
www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,560567,00.html
Other "obvious" symbols I have seen on German equipment include the
on/off switch, where a circle with a dot in it means "on", and a
circle with a dot outside it means "off". In German one doesn't say
switch on and switch off, but switch in and switch out, which is
probably the inspiration for the symbols.
I suspect that there cannot be universal symbols, as they are
dependent on language and culture. Would, say, a crossed spanner and
screwdriver be universally understood?
MJA
YAPH
> On 2011-06-05, Mark Carver <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>>
>> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
...
> I suspect that there cannot be universal symbols, as they are dependent
> on language and culture. Would, say, a crossed spanner and screwdriver
> be universally understood?
Oddly some Worcester-Bosch boilers have both a spanner symbol on one
control and the top hat and ladder on another (both test/maintenance mode
controls). I was baffled by the top hat ones - I wondered if I was seeing
it wrong. Nice to have some sort of explanation, though you'd have hoped
organisations with a large UK presence might have clued up to the
obscurity of the German chimney-sweep logo.
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Thomas Prufer
>I suspect that to a German it would be a symbol for a chimney sweep,
>and therefore mean "maintenance mode".
Yup. Generally the switch has the boiler run at full output, and dump the heat
in the heating system, summer or not. The chimney sweep here usually doesn't
bother, but just turns up the hot water while he does the required
CO/CO2/Oxygen/temperature thing on the flue gasses, and comes up with an
efficiency. Used to have an hourglass thingy with liquid innit and a squeeze
ball and tables and all, now just has a boxy thing in a case with LCD display.
Used to have a cash register strip printout, now goes straight to Excel or
whatever.
And he does wear a black outfit like the one in the article, but no top hat. He
does come with a little ladder to get him up the last bit on the chimney with
his brushes and ropes and all.
Thomas Prufer
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been seen for several years.
Anyone know what happened to him?
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Andy Burns
> On 05/06/2011 12:09, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/f223a4f576a561cb?hl=en
>
> That post was by Ed Sirett, who used to post here frequently
I know, I remembered something being posted about the chimney sweep icon
and sought it out ...
> but hasn't been seen for several years. Anyone know what happened to
> him?
Last here ~3 years ago? He seems to have gone to the dark side ...
http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Ed-Sirett/100000265528430
[looks younger than I imagined he would]
ARWadsworth
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Andy Burns
> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
>> You never saw the photos of the group meet?
>> Does anyone know whereabouts in cyberspace they are?
>
> They're here (but taken bu Geoff, not me)...
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/diy_london/
Ah yes, I do remember those ...
Andrew Gabriel
MJA <m...@nospam.co.uk> writes:
>
> I suspect that there cannot be universal symbols, as they are
> dependent on language and culture. Would, say, a crossed spanner and
> screwdriver be universally understood?
Years ago when I worked for GPT, they produced a piece of equipment
which had green light to indicate all was OK, a thumbs-up sign shape.
Anyway, it turns out that in some European country, thumbs-up means
f**k-you.
ARWadsworth
> In article <slrniun0f...@eisvogel.myzen.co.uk>,
> MJA <m...@nospam.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> I suspect that there cannot be universal symbols, as they are
>> dependent on language and culture. Would, say, a crossed spanner and
>> screwdriver be universally understood?
>
> Years ago when I worked for GPT, they produced a piece of equipment
> which had green light to indicate all was OK, a thumbs-up sign shape.
> Anyway, it turns out that in some European country, thumbs-up means
> f**k-you.
I have never heard that one! I am used to the Europeans not knowing the V
sign.
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geoff
<watt....@gmail.com> writes
>On 05/06/2011 12:09, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>
>>> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>>> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>>>
>>> http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>>>
>>> Why, and what does it all mean ?
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-i-y/msg/f223a4f576a561cb?hl=en
>>
>That post was by Ed Sirett, who used to post here frequently but hasn't
>been seen for several years.
>
>Anyone know what happened to him?
he ordered a pcb from me a couple of months ago
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geoff
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The poor quality ones I rook with my camcorder?
I think that andrew gabriel has hosted them somewhere
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ARWadsworth
>>
>> You never saw the photos of the group meet?
>>
>> Does anyone know whereabouts in cyberspace they are?
>
> They're here (but taken bu Geoff, not me)...
> http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/diy_london/
Thanks Andrew.
A shame that the meets are too far away for me. Although I have had the
pleasure to call in and meet some regular posters around the country when
work takes me near to where they live.
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Andy Champ
>>
>> Years ago when I worked for GPT, they produced a piece of equipment
>> which had green light to indicate all was OK, a thumbs-up sign shape.
>> Anyway, it turns out that in some European country, thumbs-up means
>> f**k-you.
Apparently thumbing a lift in Greece can be hazardous. Though from what
I hear of their driving it may not be the sign that's the problem
>
> I have never heard that one! I am used to the Europeans not knowing the V
> sign.
>
And that one supposedly comes from the French treatment for English
archers - cut off two of their fingers and they can't shoot any more.
Andy
Jules Richardson
> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>
> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>
> See picture:-
>
> http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>
> Why, and what does it all mean ?
You press + and - simultaneously to put the boiler's control computer
into 'game mode'. Choose from Monopoly or Donkey Kong.
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Andy Burns
> Way back in 2011, Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
> What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder?
onto the roof? maybe you press those two buttons together to disable the
boiler during flue cleaning?
<https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&q=german+chimney+sweep>
Graham.
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comprehension...
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>On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
>> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>>
>> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>
years.
G.Harman
Mark Carver
Brian Gaff
It obviously means that people wearing top hats cannot go down the chinmey
and should use the ladder.
:-)
Brian
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Thomas Prufer
The symbol refers to a chimney sweep, and probably to settings that are to be
set by someone who knows what they are doing, and possibly measuring what they
are doing.
<http://www.duden.de/_media_/small/S/Schornsteinfeger-201020475288.jpg>
The small ladder is to get to the top of the chimney from the roof, rope and
brush, etc. The CO2 analyzer, IR thermometers, soot analyzer, laptop ... are
left outside the photo for picturesqueness. Also the crystal ball that tells the
sweep whether you are having a problem with a gas, oil, wood fired heater, etc.
Thomas Prufer
Thomas Prufer
>maybe you press those two buttons together to disable the
>boiler during flue cleaning?
calculate the efficiency of the boilers at that operating point.
Thomas Prufer
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> wrote:
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>>On Sunday, June 5, 2011 at 12:00:26 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> A friend is puzzled by a symbol on his new boiler's control panel.
>>>
>>> It shows a Top Hat and Ladder ? !
>>>
>>> See picture:-
>>>
>>> http://www.markyboy.net/Top-hat+ladder.jpg
>>>
>>> Why, and what does it all mean ?
>>>
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>>
>>What the absolute HELL is this top hat and ladder? WOW, I mean, its bad
>>enough we don't have any heating, whats worse is we can't understand a
>>thing thats going on because were not in the monopoly game. Why? I can't
>>understand, I am not a monopoly sized human, nor thimble, nor boot, nor
>>battle ship. Please send help, SOS.
obvious to the person who designed the icons that a top hat and a ladder
"obviously" signify whatever it is that they signify. But I haven't a clue.
Maybe there's a vague association between a ladder and a tradesman - as in
"don't do this yourself, get a skilled heating engineer". What's the
significance of the rocket that's been crossed-out (above the "-"). And the
person symbol - what is the meaning of that in the context of a boiler? The
circle with a triangle inside (top display) is probably the timer, but
what's the double-triangle to its right?
I have no problem with well-known icons like the play/ff/rew/pause icons on
tape recorders, CD players etc; the petrol pump symbol on a car's fuel
gauge; - and + for decreasing and increasing a quantity. But there are many
icons where I can't even work out what the icon depicts, never mind what it
signifies.
I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.
Being English, I'd make a case for those words being English, not only
because it's my language but also because it's probably the most
commonly-understood second language. At least you can look up a work in a
dictionary (assuming you know what language it is!) whereas you can't look
up an icon in an alphabetic list.
Robin
a possible interpretation.
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Rod Speed
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that warn of a railway line. I did wonder just the other day
how long it will be before kids don't even recognise the
steam loco. But when I tried to come up with something more
modern, that's a bit of a problem given that modern diesel
electric locos don't look that different to a bus with an icon.
> I have no problem with well-known icons like the play/ff/rew/pause icons
> on tape recorders, CD players etc; the petrol pump symbol on a car's fuel
> gauge; - and + for decreasing and increasing a quantity. But there are
> many icons where I can't even work out what the icon depicts, never mind
> what it signifies.
> I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.
And that wouldn't work very well in foreign countrys for me.
> Being English, I'd make a case for those words being English, not only
> because it's my language but also because it's probably the most
> commonly-understood second language.
I still remember tearing along in one of the massive
great multilane tunnels south of Sydney with a sign
saying DRS only on one lane. Had no idea at all what
DRS meant. Turns out it's the name of a suburb or area.
> At least you can look up a work in a dictionary (assuming you know what
> language it is!)
> whereas you can't look up an icon in an alphabetic list.
there arent too many of them and presumably
it would be feasible to have an app on your
phone that you can use to tell you what it means.
Max Demian
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>> I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.
>
> Not really that viable in some situations like the smaller road signs.
> And that wouldn't work very well in foreign countrys for me.
>
>> Being English, I'd make a case for those words being English, not only
>> because it's my language but also because it's probably the most
>> commonly-understood second language.
>
> But not that viable compared with the best icons.
>
> I still remember tearing along in one of the massive
> great multilane tunnels south of Sydney with a sign
> saying DRS only on one lane. Had no idea at all what
> DRS meant. Turns out it's the name of a suburb or area.
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Andrew
NY
>> "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:br2dnTC1aYYo2GXE...@brightview.co.uk...
> [...]
>
>>> I'd like to see greater use made of words - maybe in addition to icons.
>>
>> Not really that viable in some situations like the smaller road signs.
>> And that wouldn't work very well in foreign countrys for me.
sign of a given type is the same as every other one: there aren't variants.
They aren't the problem.
The problem is the symbols on electrical and electronic equipment which are
unique to a given manufacturer; different manufacturers may use different
symbols for the same concept. That's where words in addition might be
useful.
> If you drive in South England you might be puzzled by lanes marked Soton.
that includes "South" or "Sth" since both of those are easier for the
uninitiated to relate to Southampton.
The ultimate WTF signs that I saw in America (in various small towns in
Massachussetts) were signs saying "PED XING". It took me ages to work out
that this was an arcane abbreviation for "PEDESTRIAN CROSSING", especially
as their crossings are marked with two faded white lines across the road
rather than alternating black/white zebra stripes, and that they don't have
flashing lights on poles. I found it very hard to spot a crossing if there
was no PED XING sign in advance, and so know that I had to give way to
pedestrians there. Mind you I did notice that in towns, drivers were far
more likely to give way to pedestrians who were waiting on the kerb (not at
a PED XING) than we would in the UK where drivers rarely give way unless a
pedestrian actually starts to cross - and even then he may get hooted as the
driver is (reluctantly) stopping to let them across. An odd mixture - very
laid back in small towns, but ultra strict about jaywalking in a city like
Boston - woe betide anyone who crosses before the WALK sign when it's safe
to do so.
Bob Eager
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and too lazy to virtually drive the whole way from the airport
to the CBD which is where it is, in one of the tunnels.
Max Demian
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 21:05:05 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
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>> On 31/10/2017 19:43, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> I still remember tearing along in one of the massive great multilane
>>> tunnels south of Sydney with a sign saying DRS only on one lane. Had no
>>> idea at all what DRS meant. Turns out it's the name of a suburb or
>>> area.
>>
>> If you drive in South England you might be puzzled by lanes marked
>> Soton.
>
> And Bton.
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have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max
speed to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be there.
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Graeme
Rumm <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes
>Its probably supposed to symbolise a chimney sweep... Vaillant boilers
>have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max
>speed to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be
>there.
chimney sweep.
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bristles at right angles to the shaft) would have been a much better icon
for them to use.
If they allowed speech bubbles as well, the sweep could be saying "this is a
right PILLOCK of a job", which is the phrase a chimney sweep used every few
minutes to describe the problems of sweeping our chimney which goes up and
then bends at 45 degrees in two directions, making it difficult for him to
reach some of the soot to shovel it out into the bag after he'd loosened it
with the brush. Now whenever I don't want to do a difficult job, I have a
standing joke with my wife: "it'll be a right pillock of a job" :-)
Rod Speed
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>> In message <bZ6dnXjGf4NgUWTE...@brightview.co.uk>, John Rumm
>> <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> writes
>>>
>>>Its probably supposed to symbolise a chimney sweep... Vaillant boilers
>>>have a diagnostic mode where you can get them to run the fan at max speed
>>>to attempt to blow anything out of the flue that should not be there.
>>
>> Probably right, given that the top hat is the traditional sign of a
>> chimney sweep.
> Is it? I never knew that.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=chimney+sweep&tbm=isch
> A chimney sweep's brush (long pole with a ring of bristles at right angles
> to the shaft) would have been a much better icon for them to use.
seen any chimney sweep with any of its tools at all, let alone working.
> If they allowed speech bubbles as well, the sweep could be saying "this is
> a right PILLOCK of a job", which is the phrase a chimney sweep used every
> few minutes to describe the problems of sweeping our chimney which goes up
> and then bends at 45 degrees in two directions, making it difficult for
> him to reach some of the soot to shovel it out into the bag after he'd
> loosened it with the brush.
romanian and no one would understand it.
> Now whenever I don't want to do a difficult job, I have a standing joke
> with my wife: "it'll be a right pillock of a job" :-)
time, boy.
John Rumm
Germanic English at times. For example, low primary system pressure on
the boiler is reported on the remote weather compensator / prog stat
with the elegant "service heat generator" message ;-)