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julias khristy
Feb 22, 2012, 11:14:24 AM2/22/12
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I believe tithe is very much for believers. According to Malachi 3:10
God bless all who tithe. I have number of testimonies where people are
blessed.
julias khristy
God bless all who tithe. I have number of testimonies where people are
blessed.
julias khristy
Rob Seever
Feb 22, 2012, 7:49:38 PM2/22/12
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I've been blessed because I tithe. He also said test Me in these
things, which I have and He wins.
things, which I have and He wins.
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Nyaradzai Munatsi
Feb 23, 2012, 12:31:14 AM2/23/12
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Hie
I believe that tithing brings blessings and protection from by God.Why did Abraham tithe to Melchizedeck?Why did Jacob tithe to God when his vow was made?
Both these two tithed,even before the law of Moses was there.
Heb7:5 states that it is according to the law to tithe.
Gal 5:4 states that those who opt to live according to the law have fallen from the grace of Christ.
So this implies that tithing as per the law is wrong.
You can pay your tithe as and when the spirit allows.
The law-induced tithing is the one which is now abolished by the death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ as per Heb:7.
But the tithe which Abraham did(Only once)and the tithe which Jacob did(Only recorded once,were not regular and were not according to the law,but were a way of worship to the Lord.He is still God and must be worshipped.It is spirit led tithing,irregular and is not compulsorily forced on people,but it is important for personal edification and a relationship with God.
Regards
Pastor Bruce.
I believe that tithing brings blessings and protection from by God.Why did Abraham tithe to Melchizedeck?Why did Jacob tithe to God when his vow was made?
Both these two tithed,even before the law of Moses was there.
Heb7:5 states that it is according to the law to tithe.
Gal 5:4 states that those who opt to live according to the law have fallen from the grace of Christ.
So this implies that tithing as per the law is wrong.
You can pay your tithe as and when the spirit allows.
The law-induced tithing is the one which is now abolished by the death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ as per Heb:7.
But the tithe which Abraham did(Only once)and the tithe which Jacob did(Only recorded once,were not regular and were not according to the law,but were a way of worship to the Lord.He is still God and must be worshipped.It is spirit led tithing,irregular and is not compulsorily forced on people,but it is important for personal edification and a relationship with God.
Regards
Pastor Bruce.
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David James
Feb 23, 2012, 1:43:11 AM2/23/12
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A right relationship with God is to obey His Son Jesus Christ (Deut 18: 15-19; Matt 17:4-6; John 14:15-26; Luke 10:25-37). That is why we are called Christians. Are we saying that those who have enough to tithe will be blessed and those who do not have (making a decision between basic bills) will be cursed? Then the rich will live and the poor will die.
Rob Seever
Feb 23, 2012, 5:08:19 AM2/23/12
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Very well said. Praise God!
Nyaradzai Munatsi
Feb 23, 2012, 7:01:53 AM2/23/12
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HIE
Nowadays people preach that if u dont tithe you will be cursed.But according to John 3:18 anyone who believes in Jesus is not cursed.
Malaki 3:8-10 only applies to the law induced tithing which is no longer binding now after the death and resurrection of our Lord.
Spirit led tithing-Yes ,as per Abraham and Jacob tithing.
Compulsory tithing-No.Its no longer applicable now for it is against the Christian law of liberty in Gal 5:1-10.
Pastor Munatsi
Nowadays people preach that if u dont tithe you will be cursed.But according to John 3:18 anyone who believes in Jesus is not cursed.
Malaki 3:8-10 only applies to the law induced tithing which is no longer binding now after the death and resurrection of our Lord.
Spirit led tithing-Yes ,as per Abraham and Jacob tithing.
Compulsory tithing-No.Its no longer applicable now for it is against the Christian law of liberty in Gal 5:1-10.
Pastor Munatsi
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Feb 23, 2012, 2:59:54 AM2/23/12
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Good day
If tithe open doors for blessings why are not all people who tithe blessed?
Why is it put as though it blesses me(the tither) but when I don't do it the pastors starts to have atitude towards those that are not tithers?
If tithe open doors for blessings why are not all people who tithe blessed?
Why is it put as though it blesses me(the tither) but when I don't do it the pastors starts to have atitude towards those that are not tithers?
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Mzee Dingani (MJ)
Feb 23, 2012, 8:37:50 AM2/23/12
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Gentiles are exempted from the Law, Book of Acts(apostles and the Holy
Spirit in Jerusalem).Jesus does acknowledge that tithing is the
Law(Mathew 23)-or at least is regarded as the Law-remember adding or
subtracting anything from the word of God is prohibited.
Abraham tithe not out of faith- but as an obedience to a culture of
Babylonian Kings...Social obligation...
If we are to allow tithing, we should do it under the Law-for that is
what it is...
In the bible, there are three(3)types of tithes(Maser)-if the church
insist on the tithes, we should do all three -
Remember Levites are a wave offering to God(their blood gives them
this)Num 8:13-14
Spirit in Jerusalem).Jesus does acknowledge that tithing is the
Law(Mathew 23)-or at least is regarded as the Law-remember adding or
subtracting anything from the word of God is prohibited.
Abraham tithe not out of faith- but as an obedience to a culture of
Babylonian Kings...Social obligation...
If we are to allow tithing, we should do it under the Law-for that is
what it is...
In the bible, there are three(3)types of tithes(Maser)-if the church
insist on the tithes, we should do all three -
Remember Levites are a wave offering to God(their blood gives them
this)Num 8:13-14
They earn their inheritance by virtue of their genealogy-but Christ
out of an Oath(everlasting)
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Kevin Mitchell
Feb 23, 2012, 9:14:48 AM2/23/12
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Kevin Mitchell
Feb 23, 2012, 9:17:04 AM2/23/12
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Kevin Mitchell
Feb 23, 2012, 9:18:59 AM2/23/12
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Shumani Mushavhela (Shumani.Mushavhela@absa.co.za)
Feb 23, 2012, 8:50:02 AM2/23/12
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Kiat Voritskul
Feb 23, 2012, 11:47:51 AM2/23/12
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Our God is no respecter of persons. He loved the poor widow in the New Testament as much
as he loved King David in the Old Testament because both of them first gave their heart and soul to God.
It's all right if you want to offer to God 10%, as long as it's out of your heart and soul, not grudgingly, or out of sense of duty,
or feel that you are still living under the laws.
We can never be justified by tithing, giving or doing anything to deserve our salvation except by believing in Jesus Christ as our Savior.
Do not turn away from the truly poor and needy because God can see our every move and motive.
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A right relationship with God is to obey His Son Jesus Christ (Deut 18: 15-19; Matt 17:4-6; John 14:15-26; Luke 10:25-37). That is why we are called Christians. Are we saying that those who have enough to tithe will be blessed and those who do not have (making a decision between basic bills) will be cursed? Then the rich will live and the poor will die.
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Nyaradzai Munatsi
Feb 23, 2012, 1:32:21 PM2/23/12
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You are right.It must never be as per the law.It must not be expected monthly by the Pastors.It must be a thing between each individual and God.
Abraham tithed after God helped him to rescue Lot and after he was given bread and wine by Melchizedeck.
Jacob tithed after God met the conditions that Jacob set.That is to provide for him and to protect him while he was away from home until he reaches safe home.
A form of prayer and worship.But the question is..Why 10% and not 11% or 9%.
You know,some numbers represent something in the Kingdom of God.
As an example,Jesus stayed in the grave for three days and ressurected on the third day,and like wise Jonah stayed in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights.He was vomitted on the third day.
There is therefore something sinister about these three days.
Another example is on the 40 days that our Lord Jesus Fasted.Likewise Moses also was in the mountain with God for the same period.Same applies to Elija after eating the cake brought to him by the angel of God ,he travelled for 40 days and 40 nights.
Dont take these things lightly.
There is a blessing in paying a 10% to God.Of course not to be a continuous thing as what some Pastors say.But here and there to achieve total liberation from the devourer.
The apostles never preached about tithing(NOT EVEN A SINGLE VERSE).They preached about free will giving.WHY?
Regards
Pastor Munatsi.
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:47:51 -0800
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Abraham tithed after God helped him to rescue Lot and after he was given bread and wine by Melchizedeck.
Jacob tithed after God met the conditions that Jacob set.That is to provide for him and to protect him while he was away from home until he reaches safe home.
A form of prayer and worship.But the question is..Why 10% and not 11% or 9%.
You know,some numbers represent something in the Kingdom of God.
As an example,Jesus stayed in the grave for three days and ressurected on the third day,and like wise Jonah stayed in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights.He was vomitted on the third day.
There is therefore something sinister about these three days.
Another example is on the 40 days that our Lord Jesus Fasted.Likewise Moses also was in the mountain with God for the same period.Same applies to Elija after eating the cake brought to him by the angel of God ,he travelled for 40 days and 40 nights.
Dont take these things lightly.
There is a blessing in paying a 10% to God.Of course not to be a continuous thing as what some Pastors say.But here and there to achieve total liberation from the devourer.
The apostles never preached about tithing(NOT EVEN A SINGLE VERSE).They preached about free will giving.WHY?
Regards
Pastor Munatsi.
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:47:51 -0800
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Just don't pretend to offer more like Annanias!
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Mzee Dingani (MJ)
Feb 23, 2012, 3:17:05 PM2/23/12
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A gentile according to the bible is/was a non jew
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David James
Feb 23, 2012, 11:06:23 PM2/23/12
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Tithing was instituted to care for the Levites, widows, orphans and others that were in need. Not to build a family heirloom, supply private planes, luxury cars, RVs, helicopters and mansions, while some tithers and members struggle to keep their lights on. Jesus said that we must love our neighbors as ourselves if we desire to go to heaven. It means that whatever I desire for myself, I should desire for my neighbors (those who are not like me). This is where true giving is manifested. The rich young ruler could not comply. We are called Christians because we pattern our lives after Jesus Christ and not Moses, Elijah, David, Melchizedek, or Abraham. They lived according to how God had led them. We are to follow the teachings of Jesus and will be accountable to Him by the words He spoke ( Deut
18:15-19).
God destroyed Sodom because their pride, sexual sins, and lack of compassion for the poor. In other words, God could not find any righteous persons in Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot and his family were spared because of the plea and righteousness of Abraham. They were not doing what was right in the sight of God.
Ezekiel
16:48-50 (Jerusalem vs Sodom)
As
I live, says the Lord GOD, neither your sister Sodom nor her daughters have
done as you and your daughters have done. Look, this was the iniquity of your
sister Sodom: They had pride, fullness of food, abundance of idleness; neither
did they strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. They were haughty and
committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.
Luke
17:28-30
28
Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought,
they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of
Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even
so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day
John 15:12
John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you
John
13:34
A
new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you,
that you also love one another.
Luke
6:46
But
why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?
James
1:26-27
26
If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but
deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled
religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in
their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
Acts
4: 31-35
31
And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was
shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word
of God with boldness. 32 Now the multitude of those who believed
were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things
he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great
power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And
great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked;
for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the
proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet;
and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
Christianity is not about if and how much a person tithes; or bragging about how much a person is blessed and protected because he tithes. Malachi was written to address the Levites that were robbing God.
Christianity is about obeying God through the commands of Jesus Christ; sharing the gospel and bringing deliverance to all those in need of such. Can we really handle this tpye of Christian giving and lifestyle? Hmmm From: Kevin Mitchell <mrne...@yahoo.com>
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I pray one day the body of Christ, will get this....well said..it is indeed TRUTH!!
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Mzee Dingani (MJ)
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Michael Reynolds
Feb 24, 2012, 1:43:42 AM2/24/12
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Wow that was a Blessing!
Friends please study to show
Yourselves approved by Jesus
Like our friend who quoted so well
That the least should be the greatest
In such great thought! The book of Jerimiah is the longest book in the
Bible but so few Christians are
Familiar with it. Jesus I the God of near
and far and he will judge the shepherds who eat and shear
the Fathers sheep! Jerimiah 23:23
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Kevin Mitchell
Feb 24, 2012, 12:25:13 PM2/24/12
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Mzee Dingani (MJ)
Feb 24, 2012, 12:58:19 PM2/24/12
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Thanks Kevin-I will look up-did not know that...
Michael Reynolds
Feb 25, 2012, 1:46:34 AM2/25/12
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Pagan Christianity is a revolutionary book.
So many Evangelical traditions are unquestioned by us Evangelicals. The book was disturbing to me and just about everyone who reads it? I do not agree with the entire book but Wow it has influenced my thinking of what and who are the Body of Christ? How
Can we fault Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians for there often harmful traditions if we do not examine our own? Jesus calls us to examine our hearts and our daily walk. He is our Master and we are his slaves he bought with his blood. Our lives are subject to be scrutinized by the Body of Christ and the World to whom we witness Jesus. Why not ask what do I believe and is this a man made tradition? The most hard headed people act like proclaim to hold to zero religious Traditions. However even Atheist have many religious traditions. If we think hard it becomes clear that Everyone has some shaky doctrines customs, notions, practices, ideologies,traditions that are
Beyond the Bible and traditions we would have a hard time justifying as legitimate Christian teaching and practice.
Christ in Us Christians be an every moment Slave for Christ!
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Mike and Debra Copeland
Feb 25, 2012, 10:51:13 AM2/25/12
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One of the biggest contributors to so-called religious traditions such as the Tithe and Seed Giving is the Trinity Broadcasting Network: in a recent post I said:
"God has been speaking for a long time now to stop promoting TBN and it's minister's. Now there is one out of 4 lawsuits filed by Crouch's granddaughter with an update in this report as recent as Feb 23, 2012. If we give our money supporting this sham in the name of Christianity we will be held accountable as an accomplice. We can't plead ignorance any longer."
You're all invited to come by www.saltandfire.com and check out our short video "Spirit-Led Giving" by clicking on our Prophetic Parables, Commentaries and Testimonies Video Link not to mention our recent video's on the home page such as the compelling "The Three Towers". Good points Mr Reynolds!
Sincerely, Mike and Debra Copeland
David James
Feb 25, 2012, 7:08:34 PM2/25/12
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According to the 1998 United Nations Census on Religions, there were at that time, 23,000 Christian denominations in the world
and they all somewhat differ. The Bible states that there is only one doctrine, one Lord, one faith, one baptism. (John 7:15-17; Ephesians
4:5, 2John 1:8-10). “A house that is divided will not stand”.
2
Peter 2:1-3
“But there were false prophets also among the
people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who discreetly shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring
upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And
many shall follow their malicious ways; by reason of which the way of truth
shall be evil spoken of. 3 And
through covetousness shall they with pretentious (showy) words make merchandise (exploit) of you:
whose judgment now of a long time will not be delayed, and their damnation is
soon coming”.
1Timothy
6:3-9
3 If anyone teaches
otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ
and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have
an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in
envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between
people of corrupt mind, who have been
robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment
is great gain.
It is time to wake up. Christ is coming soon. Let us be ready.
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Pagan Christianity is a revolutionary book.
So many Evangelical traditions are unquestioned by us Evangelicals. The book was disturbing to me and just about everyone who reads it? I do not agree with the entire book but Wow it has influenced my thinking of what and who are the Body of Christ? How
Can we fault Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians for there often harmful traditions if we do not examine our own? Jesus calls us to examine our hearts and our daily walk. He is our Master and we are his slaves he bought with his blood. Our lives are subject to be scrutinized by the Body of Christ and the World to whom we witness Jesus. Why not ask what do I believe and is this a man made tradition? The most hard headed people act like proclaim to hold to zero religious Traditions. However even Atheist have many religious traditions. If we think hard it becomes clear that Everyone has some shaky
doctrines customs, notions, practices, ideologies,traditions that are
Beyond the Bible and traditions we would have a hard time justifying as legitimate Christian teaching and practice.
Christ in Us Christians be an every moment Slave for Christ!
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Beloved in the Lord,
There is one thing I know. If anything about the body of Christ disturbs you, do this. Instead of spending this much time trying
to figure it out all by yourself, why not just trust the word of God. In any topic, tithes, doctrine or anything else. If you really want to kn